Many thanks for the lovely discussion, Johanna! As I told you afterwards, I had been looking forward to this one very much, and it was every bit as wonderful as I had hoped. Thank you also for being such a wonderful presence in our community! Oh, yes, and thanks to Professor Fireballs for increasing my dry cleaning bill. They had a hard time removing all the singe marks from my tweed!
Hahaha!!! So many great fireballs thrown! I've been looking forward to this discussion too, and it was wonderful time spent! Thank you so much, Philip!
Thank you very much for inviting me. This was so much fun and it was really interesting to get the different opinions. Thank you, Johanna. Hmmm and a grudging thanks to my nemesis, it is always nice to speak with you, my friend.
It was interesting from the beginning. As a side note, part of me was so happy to see that all three of you had framed yourselves to be the same size and framed the same way in your cameras, along with similar lighting. It's a subtle thing, but it creates a visual element that makes the stream much more satisfying to watch than when everyone is different sizes and such.
Johanna, recently subscribed and working through your back catalog. Thanks for these discussions! I'm really enjoying hearing your opinions. I like this group especially. Philip and AP can break down and analyze books like no one else I've come across, and it's accessible explanation, not super highbrow.
Thank you, Adam! These discussions are very special for me, and I have so much love and admiration for Philip and A.P. They do offer so many valuable insights without ever talking down to their viewers. Glad you enjoyed and thanks for subbing!
Thank you all, it was a very nuanced discussion. I liked the different takes on genres and other "labels" you all presented, very reasonable arguments both for and against. AP's example with "a" and "the" is very insightful. As a foreign reader, I pay a lot of attention to articles in English, and when teaching English and translation I always encourage my students to take a thorough look at how they work. Small elements of grammar do play a big role in how individual sentences combine into a scene or a story, and authors can and would use them to create meanings.
Thank you, Igor! That’s very interesting about how those elements play a role in our reading experience. I didn’t know that you taught English and translation, and it’s wonderful to help students identify those details and illustrate how they affect meaning.
Really great discussion! When you were talking about reviews and mass aggregate ratings it reminded me of a strange fact that I learned from Ty Frank, one half of James S.A. Corey the writers of The Expanse. He mentioned in a podcast that in order for a book to be considered a bestseller on Amazon it only has to sell one book in a month. They have so many books on their site that get completely ignored that the bar to be a bestseller is that low. It makes me wonder how many people are influenced to purchase something based on that bestseller tag.
Wow! That’s crazy! I had no idea that was the case. Thanks for sharing that! I’m certain the “best seller” label influences many readers who don’t know the criteria. Thank you so much for watching and sharing that!
Ah, betrayal is such a harsh term Philip, what with the implicit demands of loyalty and all. 🤣🤣🤣 I'm just trying to maintain a balance, oddly enough that would make me... Nemesis? 🤔
I'm sure that happens in some places! The example I was referring to was of a music composer. We don't usually see who writes the music composed (unless we look them up or are at a premiere performance), so in that way, it is kind of a blind review process.
A bit late to the party, but I would like to defend the rating system in some measure. For me, someone who can't read 100 books a year, they are helpful in selecting the ones I would probably love more. Of course, they are not the only criteria and not perfectly accurate but it is more likely I would also love a book with 80/90% ratings above 4 stars than a book with 30% for example. So, between two good reviews from you guys, I might go first to the one with better ratings. There are other factors that contribute to my selection, obviously. However, I do think ratings are useful. 🙂
I’m glad you find ratings useful in your book selection! I hear what you’re saying about using the rating as a factor-but not the only factor-in choosing books. Using a Goodreads average probably wouldn’t work for me since I have come out of some years strongly disliking or just feeling lukewarm about some of the books that were top rated for a Goodreads Choice Award for the year. 😂 Thanks!
@@Johanna_reads, obviously rating is not everything. Just what's popular. 😅 My point is just regarding pre-selected books I might find interesting that are similar in themes. I would probably use the rating to estimate what I would probably like the most. Hope it clarifies. I am not picking the Goodreads Choice Awards' books randomly. 🤣 And I do think Booktubers influence me a lot in buying and reading books. Thank you for that! 🙂
Many thanks for the lovely discussion, Johanna! As I told you afterwards, I had been looking forward to this one very much, and it was every bit as wonderful as I had hoped. Thank you also for being such a wonderful presence in our community! Oh, yes, and thanks to Professor Fireballs for increasing my dry cleaning bill. They had a hard time removing all the singe marks from my tweed!
Hahaha!!! So many great fireballs thrown! I've been looking forward to this discussion too, and it was wonderful time spent! Thank you so much, Philip!
Thank you very much for inviting me. This was so much fun and it was really interesting to get the different opinions. Thank you, Johanna.
Hmmm and a grudging thanks to my nemesis, it is always nice to speak with you, my friend.
Thank you so much for joining me today, A.P.! I had a fantastic time with you and your nemesis! Hope you have a wonderful rest of your weekend!
Again, another great episode. Thanks Johanna. ❤️
Thank you, Chadia!🤍
What a great chat to watch over the course of a couple days! So much food for thought from everyone!
The time flew by so fast! Thank you, Ben!
It was interesting from the beginning. As a side note, part of me was so happy to see that all three of you had framed yourselves to be the same size and framed the same way in your cameras, along with similar lighting. It's a subtle thing, but it creates a visual element that makes the stream much more satisfying to watch than when everyone is different sizes and such.
Fascinating! I had not noticed that! Thank you so much, Jeremy! :)
This was awesome! I enjoyed A.P.'s rants toward the end. Never a dull moment with him and Philip. Subbed!
Thank you, Marco! It got very fiery in this discussion. Philip and A.P. are so much fun!
Johanna, recently subscribed and working through your back catalog. Thanks for these discussions! I'm really enjoying hearing your opinions. I like this group especially. Philip and AP can break down and analyze books like no one else I've come across, and it's accessible explanation, not super highbrow.
Thank you, Adam! These discussions are very special for me, and I have so much love and admiration for Philip and A.P. They do offer so many valuable insights without ever talking down to their viewers. Glad you enjoyed and thanks for subbing!
I love these, thanks you 3. 😄
Thank you, Austen! 😁
Thank you all, it was a very nuanced discussion. I liked the different takes on genres and other "labels" you all presented, very reasonable arguments both for and against.
AP's example with "a" and "the" is very insightful. As a foreign reader, I pay a lot of attention to articles in English, and when teaching English and translation I always encourage my students to take a thorough look at how they work. Small elements of grammar do play a big role in how individual sentences combine into a scene or a story, and authors can and would use them to create meanings.
Thank you, Igor! That’s very interesting about how those elements play a role in our reading experience. I didn’t know that you taught English and translation, and it’s wonderful to help students identify those details and illustrate how they affect meaning.
happy I'm finally getting to this. It's been on my to-watch list for a long time 😅
Thank you so much! I know how those lists go as mine piles up daily! 😅
Really great discussion! When you were talking about reviews and mass aggregate ratings it reminded me of a strange fact that I learned from Ty Frank, one half of James S.A. Corey the writers of The Expanse. He mentioned in a podcast that in order for a book to be considered a bestseller on Amazon it only has to sell one book in a month. They have so many books on their site that get completely ignored that the bar to be a bestseller is that low. It makes me wonder how many people are influenced to purchase something based on that bestseller tag.
Wow! That’s crazy! I had no idea that was the case. Thanks for sharing that! I’m certain the “best seller” label influences many readers who don’t know the criteria. Thank you so much for watching and sharing that!
Ah, betrayal is such a harsh term Philip, what with the implicit demands of loyalty and all. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm just trying to maintain a balance, oddly enough that would make me... Nemesis? 🤔
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Whoops I'm a week late for this. Nice topic for a discussion!
Thank you! That’s what replays are for, and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment!
For music do they not also do blind auditions to remove that biased?
I'm sure that happens in some places! The example I was referring to was of a music composer. We don't usually see who writes the music composed (unless we look them up or are at a premiere performance), so in that way, it is kind of a blind review process.
3h5m, Philip opens a passage to the Twilight...
You mean the Stephanie Meyers kind of Twilight?
@@Johanna_reads I'm thinking more of the Sergei Lukyanenko sort of twilight..
What did you think or Darkness That Comes Before?
I'm currently organizing my thoughts for my review, so you'll find out soon!
A bit late to the party, but I would like to defend the rating system in some measure. For me, someone who can't read 100 books a year, they are helpful in selecting the ones I would probably love more. Of course, they are not the only criteria and not perfectly accurate but it is more likely I would also love a book with 80/90% ratings above 4 stars than a book with 30% for example. So, between two good reviews from you guys, I might go first to the one with better ratings. There are other factors that contribute to my selection, obviously. However, I do think ratings are useful. 🙂
I’m glad you find ratings useful in your book selection! I hear what you’re saying about using the rating as a factor-but not the only factor-in choosing books. Using a Goodreads average probably wouldn’t work for me since I have come out of some years strongly disliking or just feeling lukewarm about some of the books that were top rated for a Goodreads Choice Award for the year. 😂 Thanks!
@@Johanna_reads, obviously rating is not everything. Just what's popular. 😅
My point is just regarding pre-selected books I might find interesting that are similar in themes. I would probably use the rating to estimate what I would probably like the most. Hope it clarifies. I am not picking the Goodreads Choice Awards' books randomly. 🤣
And I do think Booktubers influence me a lot in buying and reading books. Thank you for that! 🙂