1:48 The 767 didn't take too long to take off, the controller told them to line up and wait and then didn't clear them for takeoff until too late. The controller apologized to the pilots afterwards.
@@xisotopex yes absolutely, part of the job. if pilots are unable to abort they need to report that as their reply, then the controller has to react accordingly, for example by turning the plane that is going around
@@qtrg5794 really? what if the controller cant see the plane and they are at v1? even if the controller can see the plane, they are not necessarily going to be able to know the speed? so in that case you think the FAA just lets them figure it out, that there is no SOP for a situation like this? "just do whatever you like"
@@xisotopex This applies to basically any ATC instruction/clearance, be it a climb to a certain level, specific rate of climb or speed. The controller uses their experience and knowledge to estimate the performance and capabilities of the aircraft and crew theyre talking to, and issues instructions that they expect to be within those capabilities. If the crew disagree, they will speak up as its their responsibility to operate the aircraft safely. If the controller needs assurance before implementing a plan, they can ask beforehand if the crew are able to follow a specific instruction. In the case of a take-off abort, the controller has to weigh the safety benefit of keeping the plane on the ground against the risk of braking from ever-increasing speed. No sensible controller will therefore instruct a take-off abort anywhere near V1 except in extremely critical cases. Still, every situation is different and being able to do "whatever you like" (within legal limits,) is a two-way street called responsibility.
He didn't take too long to take off, he wasn't even instructed to expedite it. ATC really needs to stop telling pilots to line up and wait when a plane is on such a short final
Yeah, I remarked to myself "he's landing that thing just like I land a C-172 in a crosswind." Once took my brother for a flight shortly after my license ink was dry and after a little 25 minute flight we came back and I made a picture perfect strong crosswind landing--nose up, wing low, lined up, didn't even feel the bump as the first rear wheel touched. He remarks "well, other than landing on one wheel I guess that didn't suck".
Thanks for the in-cab view of de-icing. Back in the '70s-'80s, we didn't have discreet video cameras or cell phone cameras for you to see our perspective behind the cannon sprayer!
Or Jimmy Doolittle’s squadron of B24’s that have never taken off an aircraft carrier, risking taking off the USS Hornet what was designated as, and eventually was, a suicide mission to give a glimmer of hope for the US that we aren’t going to have to learn how to speak Japanese in order to get some rice to stay alive in 1941.
That windshear was pretty close. That looked similar to the microburst that caused Delta flight 191 to crash at DFW in 1986. There was a smallish thunderstorm off the north end of the runway. The cell collapsed and caused a mircoburst as Delta 191 was on final approach. It missed hitting a hotel, bounced off highway 114, killing a guy in his car, and then crashed just short of the runway. The only passengers that survived were in the tail section. We went out to dinner that night and didn't know anything about it until we got back in the car and saw ambulances and police cars with markings from multiple agencies racing north on I-35E.
Zurich can be tough. I was on a flight that tried to land three times. Really rough. We landed in Geneva, waited three hours, and then went back to Zurich
The A321 was not in a windshear, he retracts the landing gear just after the decision to go around. When fighting a windshear, you're not supposed to make changes to the configuration of the aircraft. That's just a missed approach in windy or gusty conditions, totally normal.
Then it took another 45 minutes for the Boeing 767 to take off. Why did the controllers allow the MD11 to Line up and ready to land with another Jet on the Runway? Failure
Little plane taking off and seemingly dropping off the steep runway and re-emerging in the valley below was absolutely jaw-dropping because it is real life and reminded me of the spectacular opening scene from Bond's Golden Eye.
ANA 777 landing in those conditions was butter. No bounce, wheels down first attempt and a straight runoff. That was an example of what to do, not a near miss.
Not when you live on its flight path. They change down a gear ( you can tell I know nothing about flying 😅) over my house and it always worries me. I think they use Leibstadt power station as a marker.
That A220 looks pretty sweet. Mind you, all the new gen Airbus craft look amazing. I would marry an A350-1000 but there would be an air of difference in our personalities, a whole new plane of existence I couldn't keep up with.
I'd probably need some new pants in the first clip lol. I've seen plenty of cross winds but never ones that made the plane tilt forward like that. Awesome job on the pilots there.
0:23 That's a well-and-true pants-sh¡tting moment right there. You're in so sensitive, so vulnerable a position. All of a sudden your nose hairs are touching the ground. Good God.
That 767 takeoff/MD-11 go around is a whole incident unto itself. It was mostly the tower controller being goofy. Who has a plane “line up and wait” with an aircraft on mid-final?
I got to watch this go around from the UPS gateway! It was very cool to see, been working for UPS at gateways a while and never got to see a brown on brown action lol
@@timothylaible8823 No kiddin huh? That’s actually really cool. I’ve seen go-arounds in the past but nothing that ultimately made the rounds in the aviation community
1st one was gusting, not wind shear. If they hit a low level wind shear at that altitude without excess airspeed they would be on the ground. You can see the effects of the gusts all the way down short final.
Your 3 minutes of video is so often the most interesting 3 minutes of my day while just tending to my cattle ranch. And… that’s a good thing. When one has hundreds of animals to tend to… you don’t want it to be very exciting or even interesting.
I was in a 777-300ER when it experienced a microwindshear just feet above runway before touching down. The whole plane rock to the right and the pilot-captain immediately applied a fast crosswind correction n the plane touched down in a crab position. It took some 20-30 second of hard ruddering to maintain the airplane to deviating much from the center line n it braked so hard, my chest could feel the deceleration (I was watching the touchdown from the camera) . Having good brakes is priceless especially for a 800,000 lb 777-300ER.When the plane was hit by the microburst n its wings rocked, I thought I had 20 seconds to live. Luckily, the experienced pilot-captain's fast reaction save us all. I think I was the only passenger who realised this. On the way out, I told the stewardess to inform the piliots that it was a very exciting fight.
Doesn't look like wind shear. More like the wind gradient when coming close to the ground (strong winds often drop off suddenly close to the ground, due to the mechanical turbulence caused by the terrain - trees, houses, ground, etc). This affect is felt often by us tandem paragliding pilots on strong wind landings.
the grass runway aircraft looks like a Fletcher design (US design) built in NZ for spreading of fertilizer usually super phosphate actually guano from Nauru
Was driving to the airport once on the highway just off the end of one of the runways. Saw what looked like a near miss. One plane taking off and another above it pulling out and turning to the right. Both planes passed over the car as I was driving by.
1:26... that wasn't a crosswind correction. The error was not having the right wing lower into the wind. So the wind couldn't get under it and push up on the right wing which caused the left wing to dip.
Noob here, can an aviation enthusiast/expert explain to me how the landing gear doesn’t tear off when a jet appears to not land in a straight line due to crosswinds?
They are designed to handle that sideways load, to a certain extent. All commercial jets are tested and certified to certain criteria they can handle in crosswind landings. If conditions exceed that windspeed, they have to use another runway or a different airport with conditions below the criteria. Also, pilots are usually trained to take the crab angle out just before touchdown to reduce the side loads and be able to track straight down the runway after touchdown.
When a plane is landed in a crab, it does put shearing sideload forces on the gear. The gear would tear off except that they just simply are built strong enough to withstand those forces up to some certain amount. It's just a simple case of brute stength against brute force.
As a plane & pilot admirer, im wondering if UPS and FedEx pilots just go ahead and land because they don't have passengers other than themselves. Nothing dangerous, im just wondering if corners are cut a bit.
The first flight was not wind shear, it was a cross-wind. Cross wind landings require practice. Many commercial pilots fall out of practice since the airlines restrict them. The takeoff delay was an uprepared crew. No one should roll onto a runway unless ready to go.
SwissAir, he began his initial flare too far on the downwind side of the centerline. Very difficult to fix at that point. So a GA was a good idea. ANA....was nowhere close to a wing strike. UPS...partially a controller effup, but the guys on the runway should have known how tight it was and been read to GO. The poor slobs who had to go-around were probably at the tail end of a 10-hour flight on a 14-hour duty day. Sucked to be them at that point. Good thing the weather was benign.
The first clip didn’t look like a wind shear event or wind shear escape manoeuvre. The third clip looks as if it were the down wind wing that got close to the ground, this indicates that the pilot failed to apply the correct wind technique and did not keep the wings level when he/ she de crabbed. The x wind technique of slipping is not recommended on large transport airplane.
1:48 The 767 didn't take too long to take off, the controller told them to line up and wait and then didn't clear them for takeoff until too late. The controller apologized to the pilots afterwards.
is it appropriate for the controller to tell the plane taking off to abort? they may not be able to.
if you watch the full video, ATC clearly says "cleared for take off" then after readback ATC says "traffic 2 mile final". not the controllers fault.
@@xisotopex yes absolutely, part of the job. if pilots are unable to abort they need to report that as their reply, then the controller has to react accordingly, for example by turning the plane that is going around
@@qtrg5794 really? what if the controller cant see the plane and they are at v1? even if the controller can see the plane, they are not necessarily going to be able to know the speed? so in that case you think the FAA just lets them figure it out, that there is no SOP for a situation like this? "just do whatever you like"
@@xisotopex This applies to basically any ATC instruction/clearance, be it a climb to a certain level, specific rate of climb or speed. The controller uses their experience and knowledge to estimate the performance and capabilities of the aircraft and crew theyre talking to, and issues instructions that they expect to be within those capabilities. If the crew disagree, they will speak up as its their responsibility to operate the aircraft safely. If the controller needs assurance before implementing a plan, they can ask beforehand if the crew are able to follow a specific instruction.
In the case of a take-off abort, the controller has to weigh the safety benefit of keeping the plane on the ground against the risk of braking from ever-increasing speed. No sensible controller will therefore instruct a take-off abort anywhere near V1 except in extremely critical cases. Still, every situation is different and being able to do "whatever you like" (within legal limits,) is a two-way street called responsibility.
He didn't take too long to take off, he wasn't even instructed to expedite it. ATC really needs to stop telling pilots to line up and wait when a plane is on such a short final
+1, came here to say that
You got no clue. You are not a pilot are you
@@TheLukaszpg I'm not, no. But please tell me how I'm wrong. I'm not being sarcastic, I want to learn.
@@asdf3568 a 2-mile final is pretty short and the UPS should have realized that meant to get going immediately
@@TheLukaszpg Don't correct someone if you're not going to offer the answer.
The ANA 777-300 landing looked fine to me. Pretty normal crosswind correction and the left wing was still a good 15ft from the ground.
I think it was only 14.99 feet.
Looked to me it wasn’t a correction, I think the wind picked his wing up
I think it was a remarkable and controlled landing
Yeah, I remarked to myself "he's landing that thing just like I land a C-172 in a crosswind." Once took my brother for a flight shortly after my license ink was dry and after a little 25 minute flight we came back and I made a picture perfect strong crosswind landing--nose up, wing low, lined up, didn't even feel the bump as the first rear wheel touched. He remarks "well, other than landing on one wheel I guess that didn't suck".
I like the way you give plenty of time to read the sub titles, us older folks don't read and comprehend very quickly. Thank you for 3 M. O. A. 😂
Thanks for the in-cab view of de-icing. Back in the '70s-'80s, we didn't have discreet video cameras or cell phone cameras for you to see our perspective behind the cannon sprayer!
There’s no point, it’s hardly rocket science
O que houve ?
The one taking off from the grass was rather impressive
That's probably Jimbo Burgess in that Cresco on the grass strip. He has some good vids on youtube flying agplanes on NZ South Island.
Almost like something from an old James Bond movie!
Or Jimmy Doolittle’s squadron of B24’s that have never taken off an aircraft carrier, risking taking off the USS Hornet what was designated as, and eventually was, a suicide mission to give a glimmer of hope for the US that we aren’t going to have to learn how to speak Japanese in order to get some rice to stay alive in 1941.
@@enigmawyoming5201 B-25*
@ti haha wasnt that scene also a reference to flight of the phoenix(2004)? Search "Flight of the phoenix (5/5) movie clip"
I feel like “runway” was a generous term for that last one 😂
Grassway? Fairway? Slip-n-slide?
I was thinking the same thing. It's a field, plane and simple. Lol
This was a GREAT one. The view from the de-ice truck was actually really cool.
That's a hell of a machine.
does it just shoot out pressurized hot water?
How can de-icing be cool ? If anything it's hot.
@@andy99ish Hardy Har Har Har.
From all of us watching in Canada today we approve of today's 3min of aviation
That windshear was pretty close. That looked similar to the microburst that caused Delta flight 191 to crash at DFW in 1986. There was a smallish thunderstorm off the north end of the runway. The cell collapsed and caused a mircoburst as Delta 191 was on final approach. It missed hitting a hotel, bounced off highway 114, killing a guy in his car, and then crashed just short of the runway. The only passengers that survived were in the tail section.
We went out to dinner that night and didn't know anything about it until we got back in the car and saw ambulances and police cars with markings from multiple agencies racing north on I-35E.
The extra :12 seconds of aviation we got today was because we were all waiting for the UPS 767 to start his take off roll...
Smh 🤦
@@FozzyZ28 lol! :)
@@applejacks971 😁😁😁😁😁😁👍👍
No,.. Extra 13 seconds😅
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Kudos to the crew of the Swiss Air plane. Nice recovery!
Zurich can be tough. I was on a flight that tried to land three times. Really rough. We landed in Geneva, waited three hours, and then went back to Zurich
The last plane taking off from the grass runway was a beautiful sight!
you should see Golden eye opening scene.......really beautiful
The A321 was not in a windshear, he retracts the landing gear just after the decision to go around. When fighting a windshear, you're not supposed to make changes to the configuration of the aircraft. That's just a missed approach in windy or gusty conditions, totally normal.
Correct - not "windshear" - I wonder if the poster really knows what windshear is.
Then it took another 45 minutes for the Boeing 767 to take off. Why did the controllers allow the MD11 to Line up and ready to land with another Jet on the Runway? Failure
1:23 nah, he was just waving hello to the fellow aircraft waiting for him
Little plane taking off and seemingly dropping off the steep runway and re-emerging in the valley below was absolutely jaw-dropping because it is real life and reminded me of the spectacular opening scene from Bond's Golden Eye.
Thanks... 😊
Keep up the great work!
@@3MinutesofAviation thanks you too
ANA 777 landing in those conditions was butter. No bounce, wheels down first attempt and a straight runoff. That was an example of what to do, not a near miss.
Baltic airlines is an appropriate name for that weather :D
Would be great if they also serve chicken balti too.
I love Zurich Airport in Switzerland! It's my go to airport!
Great airport for spotting!
Not when you live on its flight path. They change down a gear ( you can tell I know nothing about flying 😅) over my house and it always worries me. I think they use Leibstadt power station as a marker.
@@irenepeter-lyons350 yea no that's not how it works but i still feel what u mean
That A220 looks pretty sweet. Mind you, all the new gen Airbus craft look amazing. I would marry an A350-1000 but there would be an air of difference in our personalities, a whole new plane of existence I couldn't keep up with.
Thanks bombardierAirbus
but apparently 220 is noisy
Excellent episode with so much of interest - thank you! 🙂
I'd probably need some new pants in the first clip lol. I've seen plenty of cross winds but never ones that made the plane tilt forward like that. Awesome job on the pilots there.
0:23
That's a well-and-true pants-sh¡tting moment right there.
You're in so sensitive, so vulnerable a position. All of a sudden your nose hairs are touching the ground.
Good God.
lol
Thank you for putting videos of the thumbnail first instead of making us wait or other channels not show it at all
The ATC sounded like he was managing children lol
I like that your thumbnail picture is always in the first clip. Keep doing that!
That 767 takeoff/MD-11 go around is a whole incident unto itself. It was mostly the tower controller being goofy. Who has a plane “line up and wait” with an aircraft on mid-final?
I got to watch this go around from the UPS gateway! It was very cool to see, been working for UPS at gateways a while and never got to see a brown on brown action lol
@@timothylaible8823
No kiddin huh? That’s actually really cool. I’ve seen go-arounds in the past but nothing that ultimately made the rounds in the aviation community
He gave us 13 seconds that we owe from his past videos❤
A comment of a 13 year old
@@dr.jiIIaIicecooper2587 who asked lol
Feast or famine 😁
@@DCL2319 Since when others need your permission to comment little boi?
Grow up kid
@@dr.jiIIaIicecooper2587 A comment of the life and soul of every party.
1st one was gusting, not wind shear. If they hit a low level wind shear at that altitude without excess airspeed they would be on the ground. You can see the effects of the gusts all the way down short final.
It's the best time of the week!! Can't beat the theme music
I‘m glad to hear!
There is a little bit of bush pilot built into every Pratt & Whitney turboprop.
Again…. You get AMAZING video! So much thanks from me to you.
The 777s wing was at least 15’ off the ground. Not sure where the near wing strike occurred.
- I love deicing operations , it’s so therapeutically satisfying .
Wow, an extra 13 seconds. Thanks😊
Minutes were like hours sitting in that plane and wandering thank you sooo much thank you 😮
I worked as a de-icer for a season... except for the blizzards it was a fun job. I still have a couple friends who do it.
One of my favorite channels ❤
Man! These pilots have amazing control!
best aviation video on youtube
I love this channel !
Your 3 minutes of video is so often the most interesting 3 minutes of my day while just tending to my cattle ranch. And… that’s a good thing. When one has hundreds of animals to tend to… you don’t want it to be very exciting or even interesting.
"Traffic on 3 mile final"
I'm not an expert but my understanding is that planes fly really fast and 3 miles is not very far
Eh it’s like a minute and a half
Good captures by all individuals 👍
Woaaaahhh, that nose dropped quite a lot!
We owe you 14 seconds of aviation
is it de-icing or de-snowing?
de-ice-cream-pie-ying😅
It’s de- frozen contamination-ing
MCSGAS
make cold stuff go away system
DESA
don't expect sensible answers.
There is a runway in New Zealand.. that starts on a hillock and ends just short of the core (centre) of the Earth!
Nice footage at the end from Auckland Airport
Legend has it they are still trying to land.
Awsome video as always. Thanks!!!
I was in a 777-300ER when it experienced a microwindshear just feet above runway before touching down. The whole plane rock to the right and the pilot-captain immediately applied a fast crosswind correction n the plane touched down in a crab position. It took some 20-30 second of hard ruddering to maintain the airplane to deviating much from the center line n it braked so hard, my chest could feel the deceleration (I was watching the touchdown from the camera) . Having good brakes is priceless especially for a 800,000 lb 777-300ER.When the plane was hit by the microburst n its wings rocked, I thought I had 20 seconds to live. Luckily, the experienced pilot-captain's fast reaction save us all. I think I was the only passenger who realised this. On the way out, I told the stewardess to inform the piliots that it was a very exciting fight.
Sounds like an Emirates landing. Directional control seems to be an issue over there. That and taking off. And going around.
@@lbowsk Cathay Pacific Hong Kong International 2010 Summer. HKG is known to have microburst, especially for morning landing
yeah it's still interesting each time and just the right duration. Keep em coming thumbs up ;-0 !
I was waiting for your video ❤️
Doesn't look like wind shear. More like the wind gradient when coming close to the ground (strong winds often drop off suddenly close to the ground, due to the mechanical turbulence caused by the terrain - trees, houses, ground, etc). This affect is felt often by us tandem paragliding pilots on strong wind landings.
I know the feeling Mr. Airbus, I just took a bath in antifreeze working on a bmw 😂
That wasn’t even close to a wing strike???
That last take off on such a steep hill. My question is HOW DO YOU LAND THERE
You land in the opposite direction - uphill.
Uphill. No load so light aircraft. Looks like its in New Zealand doing top dressing of fertiliser.
The pilot of the wind shear plane made the right call to get airborne again. Nature is not to be messed with.
I don't think that was a wind-shear, likely there would be no lift whatsoever with a wind-shear and this aircraft had plenty of lift.
You /might/ be able to see full power through the a321neo's exhaust as necessary to escape a wind shear encounter.
Was that Cresco aircraft a trubo prop or reciprocal powered aircraft? Sorry, a first for me. Beautiful airframe
Turbo prop
Excellent video!
Good ol' LTP. Used to talk to it when I controlled in NZNR.
2:50, GTA mode there.😅
the grass runway aircraft looks like a Fletcher design (US design) built in NZ for spreading of fertilizer usually super phosphate actually guano from Nauru
Was driving to the airport once on the highway just off the end of one of the runways. Saw what looked like a near miss. One plane taking off and another above it pulling out and turning to the right. Both planes passed over the car as I was driving by.
Awesome as ever!! 😁 The Cessna clip was straight out of Hollywood??! 😂❤️❤️❤️❤️
Which one
2:40 Funny how that take off reminded me off the airplane scene from Madagascar Penguins
Well that explain what happened on the flight that we took to Tokyo on that Ana flight. Thank
Wow! That looked like some very good piloting to me.
1:26... that wasn't a crosswind correction. The error was not having the right wing lower into the wind. So the wind couldn't get under it and push up on the right wing which caused the left wing to dip.
The 777 xwind landing is real fine, have to counter wind
Thanks for the great content,
I was inspired by him when creating my👍
Noob here, can an aviation enthusiast/expert explain to me how the landing gear doesn’t tear off when a jet appears to not land in a straight line due to crosswinds?
They are designed to handle that sideways load, to a certain extent. All commercial jets are tested and certified to certain criteria they can handle in crosswind landings. If conditions exceed that windspeed, they have to use another runway or a different airport with conditions below the criteria. Also, pilots are usually trained to take the crab angle out just before touchdown to reduce the side loads and be able to track straight down the runway after touchdown.
When a plane is landed in a crab, it does put shearing sideload forces on the gear. The gear would tear off except that they just simply are built strong enough to withstand those forces up to some certain amount. It's just a simple case of brute stength against brute force.
Unless you're a B 52
@@dougaltolan3017 Too much for a noob. :-)
@@dougaltolan3017 True. There always has to be an exception.
There is a cut in the footage so we don't really have any way to tell if the 767 took too long or not
As a plane & pilot admirer, im wondering if UPS and FedEx pilots just go ahead and land because they don't have passengers other than themselves. Nothing dangerous, im just wondering if corners are cut a bit.
I applaud those pilots, especially landing in windshear. I would have wet my pants a long time ago.
you just watch that green space
and wait
and wait
and wait
awww. he made it!
I've been at one of these airports! Wow, these happen anywhere at any time!
Great video of plane de-icing! I just wish they could come up with a less toxic chemical to do so.
They should use giant flamethrowers.
1:37 where was the close call? didn't think they came close to a wing strike at all
1:51 if that is not a usecase for "cleared for immediate takeoff" I don't know why they even bothered teaching us that one :D
The first flight was not wind shear, it was a cross-wind. Cross wind landings require practice. Many commercial pilots fall out of practice since the airlines restrict them. The takeoff delay was an uprepared crew. No one should roll onto a runway unless ready to go.
Incredibly beautiful.
SwissAir, he began his initial flare too far on the downwind side of the centerline. Very difficult to fix at that point. So a GA was a good idea. ANA....was nowhere close to a wing strike. UPS...partially a controller effup, but the guys on the runway should have known how tight it was and been read to GO. The poor slobs who had to go-around were probably at the tail end of a 10-hour flight on a 14-hour duty day. Sucked to be them at that point. Good thing the weather was benign.
Gotta love those kiwis and their wonderful flying machines
Well kiwis were the first to fly....
The windshear in the first clip makes that A321 look like an R/C plane trying to land...
how long is the de-icing good for?
Usually through the summer
Depends on the temperature, precipitation, and time of day.
Anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours.
The first clip didn’t look like a wind shear event or wind shear escape manoeuvre.
The third clip looks as if it were the down wind wing that got close to the ground, this indicates that the pilot failed to apply the correct wind technique and did not keep the wings level when he/ she de crabbed. The x wind technique of slipping is not recommended on large transport airplane.
Great video! With a 10 degree pitch change below 300' I'm not sure why Swissair didn't go-around as soon as it occurred.
Nobody:
Animated movies: 2:48
The de-icing was interesting.
Swiss Pilots done s fantastic job in holding the A321neo 0:25
Good one indeed! High quality skills demonstrated by those FC'S . They do have the best equipment to boot.
I didn’t see any nosedive
@31 seconds i can hear Clarkson yelling "POWER!"
The irony that the word Baltic in Scotland means freezing.
Riveting