The Evidence of Faith with Kevin Sorbo Part 4
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Tim Mahoney and Kevin Sorbo conclude their important discussion on the power of patterns and faith affirming evidence demonstrating the Bible's historical credibility.
Also hear from Dr. Walter Kaiser Jr. of Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary as he shares wisdom given by his New Testament professor on facing and overcoming doubts as a Bible believer.
Whenever we have a crisis of faith, we should not give up but keep seeking the truth because the evidence is out there!
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Below is what finally lead me to saving faith in the LORD, the fact that it's all true and has far surpassed the requirements of Historicity.
With all of the evidence we now have there's simply no way I can logically doubt His Word and by extension the LORD Himself.
These other books and writings from antiquity are held up as truth and in some cases factual history.
These other books/poems and there evidence/sources:
Second most common manuscript document Homer's Iliad meaning there are more copies of it than any other secular writing/document from antiquity of which only 643 exist dating from 13th century AD. Homer is believed to have wrote it in the 8th century BC.
The Gallic Wars of Cesar in 1st century BC, there are only 10 manuscripts of that in existence dating over 1000 years after they were supposed to have been written.
Herodotus wrote of history and is known as one of the first historians 5th century BC and only 8 manuscripts exist and they are from more than 1300 years after he wrote anything.
History of the Peloponnesian War written by Thucydides. There are only 8 manuscripts that are from 1300 years after he supposedly wrote his account.
Book of Mormon and their various writings prior to the 1820-30's = 0 as in nothing has been found to support any of it except where it is clearly plagiarized from Scripture.
Now let's look at Biblical proofs:
We have a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report super natural events that took place in fulfilment of specific prophecies and claim that their writings are via divine inspiration, not from men alone.
Jesus Christ cast out demons, healed the sick, blind, deaf, dumb and paralyzed, walked on water, fed thousands with little, and was resurrected all of which have eyewitness accounts.
The feedings alone were witnessed by the thousands He fed on the two separate occasions that we are told of in the Gospels.
John tells us that there were many more signs/miracles than what are recorded in the Gospels/Bible and that it would have filled the entire earth were they all to have been written down.
There can be no doubt as to the accuracy of our current Bibles as it is proven via all the source fragments, scrolls, papyri, codex' and sources dating all the way back to before Christ around 700 BC for the OT and between 100 to 150 AD for the NT. We have more proof for God's Word than any other written word in history, it is by order of magnitudes more.
The early Church Fathers prior to 325 AD:
Those known as the Anti-Nicene Fathers writings contain over 32,000 quotes from the New Testament from which we could reconstruct the entire/complete NT from those alone.
They also contain over 19,000+ quotes from the Gospels alone prior to 325 AD.
The Bible is not just a book it is a collection of 66 Books all of which are linked together by One Divine Author. In this collection of Books there are over 40 authors but only one Devine Author who links them all together via the Holy Spirit. Those authors wrote down His inspired Word.
The bulk of the New Testament was written over a period of around 50 years. It was in 49 AD to 53 AD when the Scripture writings of the New Testament are thought to have begun. With the last living Apostle John dying in 100 AD.
Over a period of around 1500 years it was preserved and passed on:
In 3 Languages
On 3 Continents
There are 66,360+ source documents that have been found for the entire Bible of which there are 24,360 and counting source documents for the New Testament alone.
5,839 in the original Greek, some 2 million pages
18,524 translations of that Greek into other languages
Some of the oldest sources date to 125AD which is within decades of the completion of all the books that were canonized as the New Testament.
The New Testament cannon, (Gospels of the Apostles, Epistles to the early Churches), was decided at the Synod of Carthage in 397 AD.
(At that council they included some of the Apocryphal books but the early churches rejected them, a few saw some of the content in those books to be useful for historical reasons but never used them as doctrinal or held them in the same regard as Scripture)
Those asking for "Scientific Proof" of the Bible are either ignorant or asking with evil intent.
Scientific Method is:
1) Has to be observable.
2) Has to be measurable.
3) Has to be repeatable.
Therefore no history can ever be proven via scientific method.
You must use the historical method based on:
Eyewitnesses accounts.
Documents from the time or as close as possible.
Make sure the story is corroborated by as many sources as possible.
Look for anyone/anything that attempted to prove any of it false in that time period or as close to it as possible.
Did anyone successfully prove any of it untrue, if they did why has no record of it been found?
Mathew = Was written more to the Jewish audience and that's one of the reasons for the extensive genealogy of Christ. There are also more references to the Old Testament in his Gospel compared to the others.
Mark = The shortest of the Gospels and is very direct or "Just the Facts" if you like.
Luke = Historian
A man of science, a physician, an educated and logical man who researched and gathered the accounts of eyewitnesses. He recorded the actual eyewitness accounts of our Lord and Savior, those who had heard Him speak and were present/saw the signs/miracles He performed, such as the Apostle Peter. He did this because the life of those eyewitnesses were coming to an end due to age, or Martyrdom, and he was inspired to write them down via the Holy Spirit before they could be lost or perverted by time.
John = Evangelist
John is organized around 7 specific events/signs/miracles all seen by eyewitnesses and corroborated by many. So he also provides proof of accuracy/truth.
All of the Apostles were eyewitnesses of Jesus and/or of the resurrected Christ. Including Paul whom Jesus came to as he was on the road traveling to Damascus to persecute more Christians. This would have been the resurrected Christ or a form of Him that came from Heaven.
There were at least 300 eyewitnesses still alive when Corinthians was written who could have disputed it but no one did.
Mathias became the 12th Apostles after Judas hung himself so the argument of there not being 12 Apostles comes from ignorance or evil intent.
Other cultures and non believer's historical documents show or corroborate many things that are in the Bible. Yet none of them prove any of it to be false yet they do strengthen it.
All these sources allow us to be critical when it comes to the level of accuracy in our Bibles.
The oldest manuscripts end The Gospel of Mark at chapter 16 verse 8.
There is a lot of evidence that anything after Mark 16:8 was added later gathering parts from all the other Gospels and even Acts.
4th Century Church fathers Eusebius and Gerome both wrote that Mark ended at 16:8. Many, early Church Fathers, (after 325AD and beyond), knew these alternate endings existed and didn't use them.
This is an error in the KJV, NKJV and the Book of Mormon, (unless it's been changed), which are based on more recent manuscripts that the older manuscripts disprove. Those translations have the added ending consisting of anything after Mark 16:8. Newer translations may or may not include the additions but if they do they're bracketed or mentioned in the notes.
The external evidence, (oldest sources), indicates that anything after 16:8 does not belong in the Gospel of Mark because those additions do not exist in the oldest sources.
The internal evidence is that it is all borrowed from the other Gospel accounts and Acts.
We don't know who these additions came from but we know where they got them:
(below are not time stamps but Chapter and verses)
.16:9 = is taken write out of Luke 8:1-3
.16:10 = John 20:18
.16:12 = Luke 24:13-32
.16:13 = Luke 24:14
.16:14 = Luke 24:36-38
.16:15 = Mathew 28:19
.16:16 = John 20:23
.16:17-18 = drawn from a lot of sources: Mathew 10, Mark 6, Luke 10, just a lot of stuff cobbled together. Acts 23-26 and Acts 28:3-6 Paul's encounter with the Asp/venomous snake. None of it after Mark 16:8 makes any sense and adds more than a little confusion with the discussion of signs/miracles and other such things.
Why does Mark end the way he does?
Look at the beginning of his Gospel and all throughout it reads like a highlight real of Christ's Deity and that He is in fact the very Son of God.
Mark's last words were about fear, a Godly Fear of our Lord and the pure awe and wonderment of Him.
No other book in history has the proof the Bible does, it is not even close. As I've shown because of the over abundance of source materials we can even be critical of what we have and know for certain that we have His Inspired Word.
Word for Word Translations prove just how accurate what we have is.
Biblical Historian/Theologian AT. Robertson said we have a vast array of Biblical Manuscripts that allow us to reconstruct the Bible with more than a 99.9% degree of accuracy.
With the number of archaeological excavations, (25,000+ and counting to date), it is only a matter of time until we see more ancient biblical texts and supporting secular evidence found.
The Bible is the very Word of God, it is a collection of eyewitness accounts written by other inspired eyewitnesses.
There's no longer any excuse for anyone to ignore that fact or to dispute it.
The evidence simply does not support their arguments/views.
Take care and God Bless...
*Jesus isn't God according to the Bible....this is also a pre-conceived idea.*
I and The Father are ONE...
Stop your nonsense
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*Robin, you should really start thinking for yourself instead of repeating like a parrot what you have been taught...it reveals your immaturity in Christ Jesus.*
You are injecting meaning that's not there and can easily be countered by other verses.
Below is what finally lead me to saving faith in the LORD, the fact that it's all true and has far surpassed the requirements of Historicity.
With all of the evidence we now have there's simply no way I can logically doubt His Word and by extension the LORD Himself.
These other books and writings from antiquity are held up as truth and in some cases factual history.
These other books/poems and there evidence/sources:
Second most common manuscript document Homer's Iliad meaning there are more copies of it than any other secular writing/document from antiquity of which only 643 exist dating from 13th century AD. Homer is believed to have wrote it in the 8th century BC.
The Gallic Wars of Cesar in 1st century BC, there are only 10 manuscripts of that in existence dating over 1000 years after they were supposed to have been written.
Herodotus wrote of history and is known as one of the first historians 5th century BC and only 8 manuscripts exist and they are from more than 1300 years after he wrote anything.
History of the Peloponnesian War written by Thucydides. There are only 8 manuscripts that are from 1300 years after he supposedly wrote his account.
Book of Mormon and their various writings prior to the 1820-30's = 0 as in nothing has been found to support any of it except where it is clearly plagiarized from Scripture.
Now let's look at Biblical proofs:
We have a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report super natural events that took place in fulfilment of specific prophecies and claim that their writings are via divine inspiration, not from men alone.
Jesus Christ cast out demons, healed the sick, blind, deaf, dumb and paralyzed, walked on water, fed thousands with little, and was resurrected all of which have eyewitness accounts.
The feedings alone were witnessed by the thousands He fed on the two separate occasions that we are told of in the Gospels.
John tells us that there were many more signs/miracles than what are recorded in the Gospels/Bible and that it would have filled the entire earth were they all to have been written down.
There can be no doubt as to the accuracy of our current Bibles as it is proven via all the source fragments, scrolls, papyri, codex' and sources dating all the way back to before Christ around 700 BC for the OT and between 100 to 150 AD for the NT. We have more proof for God's Word than any other written word in history, it is by order of magnitudes more.
The early Church Fathers prior to 325 AD:
Those known as the Anti-Nicene Fathers writings contain over 32,000 quotes from the New Testament from which we could reconstruct the entire/complete NT from those alone.
They also contain over 19,000+ quotes from the Gospels alone prior to 325 AD.
The Bible is not just a book it is a collection of 66 Books all of which are linked together by One Divine Author. In this collection of Books there are over 40 authors but only one Devine Author who links them all together via the Holy Spirit. Those authors wrote down His inspired Word.
The bulk of the New Testament was written over a period of around 50 years. It was in 49 AD to 53 AD when the Scripture writings of the New Testament are thought to have begun. With the last living Apostle John dying in 100 AD.
Over a period of around 1500 years it was preserved and passed on:
In 3 Languages
On 3 Continents
There are 66,360+ source documents that have been found for the entire Bible of which there are 24,360 and counting source documents for the New Testament alone.
5,839 in the original Greek, some 2 million pages
18,524 translations of that Greek into other languages
Some of the oldest sources date to 125AD which is within decades of the completion of all the books that were canonized as the New Testament.
The New Testament cannon, (Gospels of the Apostles, Epistles to the early Churches), was decided at the Synod of Carthage in 397 AD.
(At that council they included some of the Apocryphal books but the early churches rejected them, a few saw some of the content in those books to be useful for historical reasons but never used them as doctrinal or held them in the same regard as Scripture)
Those asking for "Scientific Proof" of the Bible are either ignorant or asking with evil intent.
Scientific Method is:
1) Has to be observable.
2) Has to be measurable.
3) Has to be repeatable.
Therefore no history can ever be proven via scientific method.
You must use the historical method based on:
Eyewitnesses accounts.
Documents from the time or as close as possible.
Make sure the story is corroborated by as many sources as possible.
Look for anyone/anything that attempted to prove any of it false in that time period or as close to it as possible.
Did anyone successfully prove any of it untrue, if they did why has no record of it been found?
Mathew = Was written more to the Jewish audience and that's one of the reasons for the extensive genealogy of Christ. There are also more references to the Old Testament in his Gospel compared to the others.
Mark = The shortest of the Gospels and is very direct or "Just the Facts" if you like.
Luke = Historian
A man of science, a physician, an educated and logical man who researched and gathered the accounts of eyewitnesses. He recorded the actual eyewitness accounts of our Lord and Savior, those who had heard Him speak and were present/saw the signs/miracles He performed, such as the Apostle Peter. He did this because the life of those eyewitnesses were coming to an end due to age, or Martyrdom, and he was inspired to write them down via the Holy Spirit before they could be lost or perverted by time.
John = Evangelist
John is organized around 7 specific events/signs/miracles all seen by eyewitnesses and corroborated by many. So he also provides proof of accuracy/truth.
All of the Apostles were eyewitnesses of Jesus and/or of the resurrected Christ. Including Paul whom Jesus came to as he was on the road traveling to Damascus to persecute more Christians. This would have been the resurrected Christ or a form of Him that came from Heaven.
There were at least 300 eyewitnesses still alive when Corinthians was written who could have disputed it but no one did.
Mathias became the 12th Apostles after Judas hung himself so the argument of there not being 12 Apostles comes from ignorance or evil intent.
Other cultures and non believer's historical documents show or corroborate many things that are in the Bible. Yet none of them prove any of it to be false yet they do strengthen it.
All these sources allow us to be critical when it comes to the level of accuracy in our Bibles.
The oldest manuscripts end The Gospel of Mark at chapter 16 verse 8.
There is a lot of evidence that anything after Mark 16:8 was added later gathering parts from all the other Gospels and even Acts.
4th Century Church fathers Eusebius and Gerome both wrote that Mark ended at 16:8. Many, early Church Fathers, (after 325AD and beyond), knew these alternate endings existed and didn't use them.
This is an error in the KJV, NKJV and the Book of Mormon, (unless it's been changed), which are based on more recent manuscripts that the older manuscripts disprove. Those translations have the added ending consisting of anything after Mark 16:8. Newer translations may or may not include the additions but if they do they're bracketed or mentioned in the notes.
The external evidence, (oldest sources), indicates that anything after 16:8 does not belong in the Gospel of Mark because those additions do not exist in the oldest sources.
The internal evidence is that it is all borrowed from the other Gospel accounts and Acts.
We don't know who these additions came from but we know where they got them:
(below are not time stamps but Chapter and verses)
.16:9 = is taken write out of Luke 8:1-3
.16:10 = John 20:18
.16:12 = Luke 24:13-32
.16:13 = Luke 24:14
.16:14 = Luke 24:36-38
.16:15 = Mathew 28:19
.16:16 = John 20:23
.16:17-18 = drawn from a lot of sources: Mathew 10, Mark 6, Luke 10, just a lot of stuff cobbled together. Acts 23-26 and Acts 28:3-6 Paul's encounter with the Asp/venomous snake. None of it after Mark 16:8 makes any sense and adds more than a little confusion with the discussion of signs/miracles and other such things.
Why does Mark end the way he does?
Look at the beginning of his Gospel and all throughout it reads like a highlight real of Christ's Deity and that He is in fact the very Son of God.
Mark's last words were about fear, a Godly Fear of our Lord and the pure awe and wonderment of Him.
No other book in history has the proof the Bible does, it is not even close. As I've shown because of the over abundance of source materials we can even be critical of what we have and know for certain that we have His Inspired Word.
Word for Word Translations prove just how accurate what we have is.
Biblical Historian/Theologian AT. Robertson said we have a vast array of Biblical Manuscripts that allow us to reconstruct the Bible with more than a 99.9% degree of accuracy.
With the number of archaeological excavations, (25,000+ and counting to date), it is only a matter of time until we see more ancient biblical texts and supporting secular evidence found.
The Bible is the very Word of God, it is a collection of eyewitness accounts written by other inspired eyewitnesses.
There's no longer any excuse for anyone to ignore that fact or to dispute it.
The evidence simply does not support their arguments/views.
Take care and God Bless...