Pontiac 301 Dyno Test | 1968 Firebird Racecar Power
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Let's see if my garage built Pontiac 301 can make some power!!! Is it fast or trash?
Special thanks to:
@NightWrencher @nightwrencherperformance @noboltsleftbehind @infamousnova
I’m impressed with your commitment to that 301.
@@davidtappe5337 thanks, wait til you see what I have planned next for it 😆...
Love oddball combos . That's where the fun is at. Beating someone with goofy combo is priceless.
@@scottruether2500 sure is, thanks!!!
Mickey Thompsons blown Super Duty 4 cylinder Pontiac has entered the chat.......
Good Video- keep them coming. If you had a harder tire (DOT Radial) you would have made more power. Well- lost less. There was a factory solid throttle linkage set-up. It is all we ever used- never had a cable on any of our cars.
@@RealDougFields yeah, the big 30x10 Hoosiers, th400, and 9" are definitely drawing down power. My 67 bird has a throttle rod setup, which I love, but occasionally it will stick when the motor torques over.
Im impressed you refined this small cube engine.I love my 65 Dart GT 273.All stock just tuned to its max potential.The sound and seat of the pants feel cant be beat.Maybe 250 horse on a cool day with premium.Its my daily driver 20 + mpg if i lean it out
@@samuelgoodman2825 Thank you for the kind words.
Keep going...long live the 301!!!!!
@@36index Lots more stuff waiting in the wings for this project!!!
Awesome that you reved it to 6500rpm... a slap in the face for those that say the 301 crank "snaps like a pretzel"
@@raysoto1969 Thanks, and this is just the lowly "NA" crank in the weaker NA block. The Turbo block and crank are even stronger.
Wow nice vid! The voice over with the video just makes it great
@@isaacgarcia-iw5uc making videoes great again!
Oh snap! The 301 that could
@@infamousnova it's trying.... 😆
Awesome numbers Ray!
@@sorta_stock thanks brother! Maybe we can line them up one day...
I'm impressed I myself hot rod the oldsmobile 307 in my cutlass and have done bolt on mods and other mods for a little bit more power and torque
@@jasonhumphry5836 very cool! Any track times or chassis dyno numbers?
@PontiacRaysGarage my first run at track 20.9 seconds stock.. second run with mods and tricks 17.9 seconds I installed a stall converter and a Detroit true track locker shooting for 14.9 seconds hope N ... i have not yet tested the full stall yet 2400 rpm opposed to stock stall track alongwithposi .I have a 2:14 rear gear ⚙️ sux for power and rpm gain quickly but it's fun to see the effects and efforts mods make for time gains
Running a Detroit true track locker differential and thm200c transmission semi built shift manually from first to second and third all the time I don't let me automatic be a automatic transmission as always peace and much respect to you good chatting with you 👍
@@jasonhumphry5836 I love it! Those are incredible gains and some smart modifications. I think 14s are doable with some engine and exhaust upgrades.
@PontiacRaysGarage I'm hope N too I believe that I read somewhere it takes around 100 horse power to Gain one second at the track I got no clue how much I gained but I seam to gain every time I usually modify I've also lightness up as much dead weight too aluminum rims over steel oem and removal of ac and other wire nolonger needed perhaps I should invest in a G tech pro data loger I do run a ram air air cleaner to aid ducts and scoops it really was a gain I could feel
That’s decent power to the rear wheels. I had one back in 1968 I bought new. It had the 400 CI My brother and I slowly built it into a gun street car. 4.30 gear. Headers. Mild Engle hydraulic cam. I think it was about .460 lift. A 780 Holley and Eldebrock aluminum intake. Did a lot of street racing with it. I wore out the Road Runners , GTX , Cobra Jet Mustangs with it. Several 427 Chevelles. In fairness the advantage I had was the 4.30 gears a 3500 stall and a set of 6” drag slicks. It was a very consistent 13.00 at 109 MPH in the 1/4 mile and in the late 1960’s that was fairly quick for a street car. Most of the cars I mentioned were high 13 second cars so it wasn’t really hard races for me. Car was solid and so dependable. Rebuilt the engine at 60,000 miles which was considered a lot of miles in those days. Rod and main bearings looked new so just honed the block new rings and bearings and a valve job and it just kept on going. It ran 13.00’s all the time but never once broke into the 12.90’s. Sold it to a friend who kept it for years. It was such a fun car. I never had access to a dyno but if I had to guess it was probably about what yours just dynoed . Have fun with it.
@@1951RKP Thanks! Awesome story, I'm going to keep this thing chugging along with the 301 for now.
I would guess you were putting down around 325hp to the ground considering the info you provided which would have been pretty accurate for those 400's... They were hard to beat, extremely reliable and consistent really fast off the line and kept pulling throughout the run...
Very cool. There are guys with the turbo 301s in 2nd gen F-Bodies running 11s in the stock class.
If you put a blow through setup on your's, it would run damn good.
@@analogkid4557 Absolutely 💯 Stay tuned, this thing should get much faster soon!
Very cool video!
@@NightWrencher thanks, couldn't have done it with out your help!
Great color and great setup for a street car, not a drag car. Honestly! Put a full interior back in it and drive it everywhere
How did u get aftermarket heads on it. Kauffman special make em?
Fascinated with the 301 especially the turbo t/a. Had a non turbo 301 in my K code 79 T/A just to get to work and back when i was younger. Was the only running Pontiac engine i could find for cheap back then in the yunkyards in Indiana. This was around year 2000. Motor was out of the yard car they used and was awful looking under the valve cover but that thing ran perfectly. We never did kill it. Replaced it with a low mile 403 and left it sitting on the ground at my buddy's.
@@midsouth2strokes185 The trick to getting aftermarket heads to fit the 301, is, nothing at all....they bolt on fine, I'm even using 301 head gaskets. The real issue is having to narrow an intake manifold to fit onto the heads because the 301 block is much narrower than a 326-455 Pontiac engine. I ended up cutting/narrowing an aftermarket aluminum intake manifold to fit. After that problem is solved, you just bolt parts to it like a regular Pontiac V8.
You put a lot of attention to detail on the video, that was fun. You're going back in with a Lokar cable and pedal? Does that also address the carb side bracket?
@@wtdonovan Thank you very much! Yes, the Lokar pedal and cable are going to work with a Holley throttle bracket. I might make a video aboutbthe setup. Seems to be working fine so far.
Love my ponchos.
😎👍💯
@@DonCatherman thanks, me to!!!
Cool video. Great job!
@@wayneskelly4297 thank you sir!
Ive seen so much Pontiac 301 crap latley? Have we run out of 400s and 350s? 326?
True story, first car, 2bbl 301 78 Gran Prix... it would burn the tires... ran really good, responsive, chirp tires on shifts, with the metric 200... I beat the crud out of it.. every other 301 I owned or witnessed was a dog. Pure crapolla... that being said, I am curious what you can do with it..
@@mikehagen3785 the 301 is like a mini 389/400, which is why I love them. I'll be doing some 461" content soon.
@@PontiacRaysGarage I've always dug something that can rev and Pontiacs were always good power makers... as long as I don't start seeing 260 Olds builds, I'm good. There were a couple 400 powered G bodies in my area, when we used to romp around... one used to scrape the rear bumper off the ground on the 1-2 shift... it was pretty awesome
@@mikehagen3785 I think you're gonna like my 461, it's been to 7,000+ rpm many times!
@@mikehagen3785 a bored Olds 260 is a 307 or a 350 or a 403
That’s cars for you. Always kicking and screaming and breaking when you’re trying to play with them.
Yup, story of my life.....then one day, they just work!
Awesome numbers!!!! 🇺🇸💪🏼
@@jdrods1519 Thanks! Can't wait to improve them!
"Ain't got no gas in it"
@@shannonschneider8413 yup, 😆
Be a great engine for a GT45 and a Holley Terminator X, I think.
I just bought myself an "LH2" version 4.6L Northstar engine that I plan on doing a twin GT28 turbo setup with a Holley terminator X fuel injection. I don't have a car yet but I'm planning on a C4 Corvette body and a Ford 9" rearend conversion. Not 100% sure of what trans yet but I'm leaning towards a Chrysler 46RH, just becouse I'm so familar, and fond of the Chrysler 727...
I'm sure it's going to be a while though.
@@ericwilson2585 I just might have something similar cooking.....stay tuned!
Apparently the gm th250 was very similar to the 727, as it used 2 bands like the 727
+- 372hp crankshaft is good for a small 301 CID 👍
@@HeadFlowInc thanks!!!
I like your video, how about a little Nitrus?
@@HomeImprovementInsider Thanks, I happen to have a little NX plate for this car....we'll see
I had a 80 GP w/301. Ac never worked right.
You bracket racing..just be consistent.
@@stevenfan1218 not yet, thinking about it though....
Quite impressive. I've got a stock 301, and it feels stronger than 150 hp. Question: What headers are you using?
@@Full_Garage Thanks for the kind words. The headers I'm using are custom Hedmans from a weld up kit.
You need boosted to wake it up
@@jamesdockery3310 heck yeah that'll wake it up!!!
287 hp pile! Slow! It sounds nasty! Atleast.
@@kirstenneil3536Thanks, I think 🤔 😅
What year 301 block you running??? I've wanted to know if that 301 could do anything.
@@paulwortman483 I'm running the weakest block of them all, a 1977 regular 301 non turbo. The 1980-81 301 Turbo blocks are the stronger ones with better mains and bigger main bolts, stronger crankshafts.
Man is that Firebird all bark and no bite. 200 HP with those rear tires... Oof.
@@eriklarson9137, thanks for watching!
I remember reading about a Dyno test, rwhp, on a 67 GTO RA 2, back in the day. It made 180 rwhp stock and 200 after tuning. With 400 ci.
@@JamesHolbrook-eh5sppeople forget how these old cars were rated back then it wasn’t rear wheel hp that rwhp wouldn’t have sold many cars
U have a nice car.. lots of work and time and love in the car obviously.... If you want horsepower by double. Build a LS....
@@CamaroKevin84 Thanks for the kind words. An LS will never, ever, ever, be placed in this car or any of my other Pontiacs. This engine is just a little R&D toy that I'm testing parts with.....wait until you see the other Pontiac V8s that'll be in between the fenders.....they'll make plenty of power.
I think you might be missing the whole point of it. Cheap and easy isn't the answer to everything.
Maybe I misunderstood the last thing u said about cheap and easy. Building my LS was not cheap and easy. I'm not buying no parts unless it comes from jegs or summit or is OEM. Maybe that crap on eBay is cheap but it's all junk. Unless it came from a reputable company. Building any motor is not cheap. Unless u want to run into problem after problem and more down the road
I would think he’s saying he wants Pontiac power for his Pontiac cars. Most serious Pontiac enthusiasts would rather push their Pontiac than power it with a Chevy.
For anyone who doesn't know General motors made Pontiac.... Same company that made GMC and Chevrolet and many more. Thanks
The Pontiac 301 V8 engine can go toe to toe with the Ford 302 Chrysler 318 LA and Magnum and the 305 Chevrolet Small Block V8 engines
put that crank in a decked 400 block and let er eat!
I'm afraid it can't handle much more rpm because the 301 cranks are missing the center counter weights.
paired with 400 rods too, youd have a rod ratio that rivals superbike 4 bangers lmao
@@PontiacRaysGarage I do belive the turbo cranks had more weights, but spinning a stock cast peice like that is definetly sketchy, butler guys would probably have a stroke if someone asks for a forged stock spec 301 crank lmao
@@captainchicken8983 Actually the Turbo 301 cranks were exactly the same except they have rolled fillets on the mains for a bit more strength. My next 301 is going to be a stroker version over 383" so look for that in the future!
@@PontiacRaysGarage that actually sounds like a bitchin combo there, hell yeah!
Not meaning to nitpick but 66 percent is 2/3 throttle, not 3/4 throttle.
@@johnbouchard9447 LOL, it was meant to describe that it was only opened somewhere between 2/3 & 3/4 throttle, or 66-75% throttle.
Need to twist it about 7500
@@MarlHellbringer I'm afraid it'll scatter parts. Peak power was made at 6250 so no need to go higher yet.
@@PontiacRaysGarage I'm new around here. Stock bottom end?
@@MarlHellbringer stock block, with a stock crank, using forged pistons and rods.
@PontiacRaysGarage because I'm not the one paying the bills on it, I say send it lol
@@MarlHellbringer 😆 🤣 😂
why would you waste your time and money on a 301...... hear that alot i know lol. Pretty good power for the 301. i bet a n/a 301 can do better since other small cubic inch engines have done well. Its just every one overlooked these for the bigger power plants.
@@EfurdGarage no kidding, there's more in store for this little guy!
Is a 301 a small block?
@@sb18436572 Some say yes, some say no. It's technically smaller than a 326-455 deck height.
301 was fine if u were not in a hurry.
301 not worth the effort or expense.
@@johnwingate8799 Thanks for watching!
the worst pontiac engine ever made ive had 3 and they are junk
@@stelthy100 this one is still healthy and running pretty quick
I’d say the 265 was worse than the 301. Regardless this 301 sounds wicked. Close to 1 HP per CI at the wheels is impressive.
@@mikee2923 Thanks for the support. A 9:1, 91 octane pump gas engine making almost 1hp per cube to the tire is not too shabby I think.
Love the car just not a fan of 301 lots of money for no power.
@@jeffstevens664 Thanks, I'm only in the shortblock about $1200, the entire top end can be bolted on another traditional pontiac engine with not much fuss thankfully.
This thing is junk!
@@charlieschroder1579 Thanks for watching!