Addressing The "Allegations..." 😭💀👻
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- Опубліковано 5 бер 2024
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my bad gang i was joking 😭
😭now say sike to the dry Bali allegations 😭
LMAO it's okay I still love you bby 😂
@@WillHirschFlips 😘
@@Zoinks3245 those are NOT allegations, those are FACTS AND TRUTHS
@@DJEyelessPyro it’s not too late to take the video down 😭
Agreed! Black false edges looks weird because it lacks the silver edge
Yeah I really like it sharpened for sure
As someone who is not very deep into this community, there is a major problem with attacking anything and everything that *might* in the slightest way be related to a clone, and honestly it's a major turn off.
Places like reddit and some insta communities that outright ban and alienate clone owners only further serve to divide the community and encourages an entire sub-community focused around clones to have to exist.
It's really toxic behavior, regardless of the morality of a clone company, to alienate someone from the community entirely just because the first cool flipping toy they bought off amazon was a clone.
Like, I can understand the hate and where people are coming from, but at the end of the day bali clones still bring more people into the flipping hobby. But instead of informing or educating these new users, they are cast out to the clone communities, and this does nothing but hurt the adoption of balisongs as a whole. It's just honestly just sad.
I don't condone or support any alienation due to having clones, that's just a normal part of getting into balisong and has been for a long time. It's never okay to harass people especially for dumb reasons like that.
Though, you still do need to hold the companies themselves accountable for stealing, but that's not on the customer.
@WillHirschFlips I don't disagree, companies definitely shouldn't be allowed to just rip people's hard work and livelihoods and flip them for a quick buck, but the hostility around the community jumping to conclusions is what gets me, and seems to be what you're going through in this video.
Imo, that's not something real companies and creators should have to constantly look over their shoulder in fear of, and like you said copyright can help, but it also stifles innovation.
Just not the most welcoming community cold war to walk into as someone new to the space.
Clones on 🔝
I honestly love your paw socks Will haha
They are slippers
Errrrm actually 🤓
me trying to explain to my teacher i didnt copy my friends homework
Coming from the balisong competition nabalis started I've had my fair share of similarities when I posted on reddit. Guys said the handles looked a lot like Orion handles 😭, that hit me the wrong way lol. Changed the handles a lot after that, glad I came up with something that could count as a callback to the nabalis marbles texture inside the handle slot. Honestly way better than the original handles.
It's the Reverie btw.
I voted for the Reverie ^^
I like the shape of the handles
The inspiration is strong with this one
JEDI
Bro came with all the receipts
W argumentation
I'm really hoping that you'll be selling the live blades separately without handles, so that we can swap them out as and when the situation suits it. Just had my purple Vulp pro shipped out today and I can't wait to get my hands on it, having a live blade I can put in it when I'm not out in public would be amazing!
We will!
@@WillHirschFlips hell yeah! Goodbye fomo. Thank you
I know i commented about the price on your previous video, and im happy to see it changed to $160. Love you guys’ stuff!
I appreciate your feedback!!
I can’t wait till the vulp pro live blade drops I hope I get one I didn’t get to get a chance to get a canyon so I want to get this instead i feel like this Bali will be my next best friend lol especially on road trips and my journey through life and btw keep up the work will and Brandon talks vids have been providing me entertainment for a while now thank yall so much
I hope you enjoy it, and thank you so much!!
@@WillHirschFlips no problem will btw will you be doing a review on the brs rep trainer they dropped
It’s cheaper! Now I gotta buy a purple one.
WHAT DID YOU DO anyways, live blade vulp looks super cool :3
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I'm waiting on my gold/black vulp pro and acid wash canyon, really dig the design of the FE blades on both. In a market where multiple manufacturers mass clone and replicate original balisong designs, your hands are clean, relatively speaking. While I can justify spending $200 on 2 original balis, I wouldn't spend more than that on one, regardless of how nice it looks or flips.
All black vulp pro would be sick!
I wonder if the false live blade can be polished to a mirror finish without affecting handling? I'm still a beginner but considering adding balisong tricks to my live music performances. I personally love the black blade with red handles, but seeing as I usually perform with moody colored lighting, I don't think it would be as visible from a small venue stage..
AUS 10 is comparable to AEB-L if i remember correctly which is the same steel used in the Krake Raken if anyone was curious 👍
That's right!
Can i review a live vulp? I remember getting the vulp right when it came out, i had just picked up a mako as my first balisong and it was soo slippery, got the vulp and was like omg this is good, so i bought a second one 😂🔥
I'm hoping to do some kind of passaround so look out on Instagram for that!
@@WillHirschFlips sweet ill def be looking for that thanks!👍❤️
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Thanks John!
Crazy how you can cancel a company for using a bottle opener on the same spot of a different knife...
(I know theres more really small things like how they have different companies but at the end of the day all Chinese made balisongs are coming out of the same factory and yes thats most likely true with nabalis stuff)
I noticed that the Live blade for the Vulp pro isn’t being sold separately yet. Any news on that?
Probably not yet available, the canyon is listed as sold out on nabalis even though it hasn't released yet.
Probably not yet available, the canyon is listed as sold out on nabalis even though it hasn't properly released yet.
Soon!!
@foulninjaplayz5297 The canyon has been released for a couple weeks. It just sold out HELLA fast. Plenty of people on reddit and UA-cam have one
when iget the money i will get one i was not suire about the normal vulp pro because i didnt like the blade to much
but i love the false edge for it!
slayed🤨
I always saw the Vulp pro as it's own thing. The handles are derivative. Deriving isn't a bad thing. Many products exist because they had something to build from.
Now, your language for the mercolo vs Vulp argument sounds too convenient for the situation.
As for copyrights and patents? They don't even remotely stagnate industries. The idea was originally to protect someone's IP: which these things barely do as is!
The only reason why no one challenges bigger companies tv at have them is due to their enormous legal teams or media influence.
Someone much smaller even with a patent would be buried by media influence and legal fees in a week batting a bigger company.
I totally get what you're saying, but at the same time there's a lot of historical precident for the usage of copyright as a way to stifle creativity and innovation in many industries
Hey Will, just out of curiosity, what is that in the open section of your case? Looks orange?
🤔🤫
Just older Vulp stuff! Nothing hidden in there (yet)
@@WillHirschFlips just keepin my eye out 😉 thanks
Wall of text inc (sorry)
On the topic of whether companies X and Y are the same company, I don't think we know well enough to make any definitive claims. They might use the same OEM factory (fairly likely). They might have contracted with the same freelance CAD designer. Company X may have an excess of raw parts that they sell to company Y. Who knows. Having the same accessories like threadlocker doesn't make them the same company any more than including Wiha bits makes two companies secretly Wiha in disguise.
To use a concrete example of why over speculation can be dangerous, a lot of people still believe Maxace comes from a cloning background, because of circumstantial events and what they've heard around the internet. It's a very easy rumor to believe, because they're a foreign company, based in China, and people love to distrust anything related to China. In some ways, maybe that’s warranted. Is it borderline prejudicial and unfair against people who didn’t do anything wrong? A little bit.
As for the excessive rebranding or Amazon balis, it’s fairly common in many product categories. All Amazon Basics products are just rebrands of someone else’s stuff (spoiler alert: Amazon doesn’t make batteries). I think calling it a scam implies malicious intent and deception. It could be separate people selling the same generic product, it could be the same people trying to diversify marketing for SEO reasons. In either case, I don’t think the goal is necessarily to deceive the consumer. Even many clone companies are very up front about their products not being original. They will advertise as clones, and their target consumers are the people who have no qualms about that. It’s shady and IP theft, at least in US law, but the victim there is not the consumer. This is distinct from counterfeits, where someone has malicious intent to deceive the consumer, which would qualify as a scam.
Also, looking forward to the Vulp Pro false blade.
No need to defend yourself. It looks like clone that was adjusted not to look like clone too. If I were to open a car factory and made design similar to new bmw design by myself I would get sued, no one cares that I came up with it as at the end of the day its a copy.
Will there be a non-pro vulp with a sharp edge?
Sadly there are not plans for that right now
50% copying 30% inspiration 10% completely original
The designers look really good though
100% reason to remember the name
@@WillHirschFlips I know the name
@@WillHirschFlips also, did you notice the other missing 10%
wait what😭 armed sharked is marcolo 💀💀💀
AUS 10 is an awesome steel especially at this price point as it's better than 440c/9crmov. great choice!!
"better than 9cr" is one of the lowest bars I've ever seen set.
@@CNYKnifeNut there is 8cr even 3cr on some gerbers
I love those colors too!!...I need it.. "Every Child Matters" colors of us indigenous of Canada 🇨🇦
Is the false blade vulp legal in Canada?
I am not sure! It's not sharp, but it would likely become illegal if you sharpened it
elephant in your drawers??? 😳
Dude totally missed the opportunity for it to be $169 😏
Damn you're right 😂
I have a c116 and i just here laughing cause i bought it like almost a month ago. Im milling the handles myself to chstomize weight
That's pretty cool! Let me know how it turns out!
Guys you gotta understand its literally impossible at this point to make a Good balisong that doesnt have similarities with other Good balisongs
Austin?! I barely knew her...
To me a clone is manufactured to look like the original, it's a counterfeit. It would have maker's marks, logos, packaging etc all done to look as much as possible like the original, making it difficult for most people to visually see a difference. Dishonest people could then try to sell the clone/counterfeit as an orginal. A copy looks like the orginal, but is easily identified as a copy because it doesn't have the orginal's markings or packaging. Ethically both are bad, but the clone/counterfeit worse because of the intent to deceive. You and Nabalis have done neither of these, similar shapes or design ideas isn't the same as copying. Many balisongs look similar at first glance, but that's often because things like a bowie knife blade shape is always going to look similar. We all recognize that basic shape.
Anyway, I just bought the red and black Vulp Pro Live Blade to go with my purple Vulp Pro Trainer. I also have one of the orginal Vulp Trainers. Keep up the good work guys, I always enjoy your content and flipping.
This distinction between Clone and Copy is very interesting, thank you! I will have to think about it...
It's 2024, we already ran out of all the competition bali design patterns for like 6 years. vOv
will teal & white be an option
Yes!
Моя любимая сталь это 440c , она хорошо скользит по пальцам, очень прочная к ударам, прочная к корозии и дешёвая)
440c is great steel!
I dont know what means the tittle cuz i speak spanish but i want the 2 vulp pros and the kraken raken
I don’t think that that is exactly the right way to use the word disingenuous. Not trying to be rude or anything. You are in fact getting me through my life. Thank you.
I appreciate that! I do my best to express myself properly but sometimes it's hard to word stuff exactly right in videos like these where it's all off the top of my head
I disagree? Disingenuous means to pretend you have a lesser knowledge of something than you really do. It is disingenuous of him because to deny that the vulp pro looks similar to the Cygnus is pretending to ignorant of that, when in reality he definitely is aware that they look similar. I personally think it fits well enough but let me know what you think!
I realize that now, sorry I happened to not think of it like that. My bad.
To be completely honest it feels to me like you're just going back on what you said about marcolo because now you have a more egregious example where your balisong looks similar to another balisong. I also think what you said about armed shark using the same file and only modifying it enough to make it not look like a clone is not true, to me the C116 looks like an entirely new balisong, although if it is true that it is armed shark using the exact same file as their mako clone, I would see where that would be a little different. I also understand that the cutout in the blade is for weight purposes, but that could have also been done in other ways, and it's just a little too coincidental that something which isn't too common to see happened on something that was already heavily inspired. I'm no Will Hirsch hater, but I personally don't think this was a good move.
I cant believe that people are even giving you shit about it, like omggg 😭 the vulp came out before the cygnus anyways so, and the whole thing about design is calling back to other things and implementing other peoples designs that inspire you etc..
People aren't really giving me shit haha the title is mostly a joke! But I did think this was an important topic to talk about anyways!
@@WillHirschFlips oh! ok good haha😤
You know one of barracuda's trainer blade looks just like the sirus V2 trainer blade, so sirus is a clone and LDY is a clone company. And the structure of serif is similar to tsunami so serif is also a copycat. 🤓
This is like the exact opposite of what I said lmao
these look nothing alike what are you on about
dude u heard of behringer eh?I mean u play..they do the same stuff ..but kids be wanting to make music
on the cheap..same with balisong in my opinion..behringer is crummy though for cloning but I don’t know..
it’s totally messed up..my bro said once “ignorance is not the fault of the customer “but I mean I would totally
flip a nautilus clone but would rather have the real deal..I dunno whatever..it’s easier to just flip and forget
about it..cuz flipping is fun !
But we all know the real question, what was ryworx mating?
Real talk though, when I decided to join the nabalis contest, it was really frustrating to come up with a handle pattern that people wouldn't call a clone. The cygnus is literally my most favourite balisong, and I got inspired by the general shape of the g10 on there. Bad part is, no matter what I thought of, I was still worried it'd be called a cygnus clone, so then I just removed the 2 alu cutouts on the bottom, which honestly somehow solved all my problems
I feel like we’re throwing allegations around here about Thomas. A lot of people have been seeing this vid and giving hate toward Thomas who is associated with Marcolo/in charge of managing manufacturing, and he also makes his own Balisongs. I feel bringing him down for something he didn’t control isn’t fair. Just my take, I hope you can see my perspective. Also while I do like the vulp pro idea… bro… with all respect if you have to argue tiny details and point out the hollow grind vs. Not I feel it’s a clone. Doesn’t mean the vulp bro is a bad Balisong, it’s great, but it is a clone imo…
Who is Thomas?
We didn't know who Thomas was until a couple of days ago, and haven't at any point directly criticized him or even mentioned him, just the practices of Marcolo/Ownall and the like
Thanks for your thoughts on the Vulp Pro
Uh hey. Dude your shoes. Dyoood, where did you getttttttTTTTT yooURRRR SHOOOOOOEEEEES? \_(o - o)_/ *huh?* ah huh I dunno
Amazon! They are slippers
ah yes the 'signussy' that you 'just exploded everywhere'
It’s just an innocent nickname for a cool looking knife what were you thinking of 👀
Can you get the blade separate?
Yes you will be able to!