@@jackjones9460When welding came around the term was used to make sure you weren’t setting something on fire in the surrounding compartments onboard ships when doing hot work.
@@John...44... do you mind if I ask why? It seems like the people who would come after you might appreciate that tremendously, but I could also see how it might be seen as littering.
1) You WAY overpaid for that. 2) Don’t buy one the size of a soup thermos. Even one a tad bigger will hold far more wood. 3) If you didn't, decrease the chimney vent so it smokes a little more inside the stove, burning the wood slower by decreasing available oxygen. 4) Use hardwood if you didn't.
@@anthonydesouza9983 I bought a canvas tent about 2 years ago for around $1300 CAD (found a deal that avoided shipping/importing costs from the USA). Same tent now goes for around $1600 before taxes. Quality isn't cheap. There's some really nice tents for like $2500 range but that's about the point where it may just be cheaper to try to save up for a truck and camper. I also bought a decent wood stove at around the same time, imported it from Russia. That cost me around $400. Saw a wood stove that looked just like it on Amazon for cheaper... except it was stamped steel, not welded. Again, quality makes the difference.
@@vovin8132 Welded doesn't make it better. It is about the thickness... the fact you think that welds = better is a big red flag that you don't know what you are talking about and are easy to take advantage of.
@@thomgizziz Well I have extensively used it for years. I guess you like choking on smoke inside your tent because the seems are not welded closed. Thanks for your lecture on how I don't know what I'M talking about.
All depends on the wood. If you have hardwood for firewood you can load’r up and choke down the damper and it will last most of the night and supply plenty of heat.
@@Mothball_manin a tent with a stove that size no it won’t, if you choke it down it won’t put off a meaningful amount of heat. As someone who actually tent camps in the mountains, the only way to stay warm is to get up and keep it going strong.
Here’s a trick the old timers used to do to have a hot stove all night: Once you have a good set of coals rake them into something like an old pot, pile wood into your stove, add the coals, get the wood to start burning before shutting the door and restricting the oxygen Coals will burn hot all night especially with fresh wood to keep them going
[EDITed as my original reply was thought too harsh by some] If you wake up freezing you have the wrong sleeping system. The idea is not keeping the tent warm the whole night , but to give you 2 or 3 hrs in the evening when you prepare your meal, dry your clothes etc.. This makes a hell of a difference.
@@Austin_SaintOnge I didn't mean it in a mean way, and I did not know you are a novice. I just stumbled in and this was your first video I saw 🙂 But videos like this are good for other novices who maybe have also wrong ideas/expectations. When it gets really cold whatever you have under your sleeping bag gets more and more important as a lot of warmth dissipates through your mat into the ground. People freeze with giant sleeping bags when they do not invest enough effort into that part of insulation. Where I live it gets down to -40 °C / -40F once in a while. So I know the whole temperature range below freezing point ;-)
@@Austin_SaintOngeIf you sleep on a cot, you don't insulate the floor. Your body weight compresses all the insulation loft under you, so you need a pad on top of the cot. Even with a winter bag, you'll sleep cold without one.
@@lindboknifeandtool OK, some winter training 4u. Get a proper sleeping bag and insulating sheet, if possible a raised canvas bed. Cook dinner and 2-3L of hot water while you eat. Enough calories and hot food help your body stay warm. Fill the water in nalgene/steel bottles or even small thermos, wrap those in a sock. Put them into your sleeping bag, next to your feet and between your legs. This will release heat over time, keep the water from freezing too, so you can use it to cook breakfast while still in your PROPER sleeping bag.
"made in China" stuff plagues Amazon and such storefronts easily. And they are intentionally marked up knowing people are willing to pay for it. At some point it's more cheaper to 'build' your own tent.
@@OsirusHandle also even real reviews are shit. So many 5 stars are 5 stars for what they were expecting not 5 stars for the product. A 5 star $50 tent and a 5 star $500 tent aren't anywhere near the same
@@Austin_SaintOngecheck out @outdoorboys he takes the stove has pre piles made and ready and then as said above he puts stones on top the stove and heats em. He also doesnt sleep on the ground. He puts the hot stones or (hot embers ) under his bed/platform. He also boils water puts em in water containers and sleeps with em inside his tent. You really made a whole video of no sense.
@@jibbsmcdoink3009 I love outdoor boys! I saw all those tips he showed and they’re all great, I just should have just bought a larger stove and a - degree sleeping bag
@@Austin_SaintOnge wait till the glamping glass breaks in the night.... either you'll suffocate from smoke inhalation or carbon monoxide...or it WIL KEEP YOU WARM as the tent burns down
@@Austin_SaintOngeTry using ash logs or beech if you can. Sometimes it's not the stove but what you're burning. That being said I live in England so negative 20 isn't really something we get, that'd be very extreme here. You're probably already using the best wood you can get. Your stove looks pretty nice but maybe buy a bigger one if you get another. My only other suggestion would be to upgrade your clothing/sleeping setup, use what the natives use fur and moccasins etc
Being in a region with extreme cold there are some tricks: 1) Don't try to make it household Temps. The tent doesn't have the insulation to do so. 40F is more than warm enough. 2) let the tent cool down about an hour before you bed down. Wear as little as possible inside a cold weather sleeping g bag. A multilayer arctic bag is best. 3) when stocking the stove for the night, use as dense a wood as possible (you can get pressurized sawdust bricks for this) and choke the fire down to near extinguishing. It will still generate a little heat all night long as it smolders. It won't keep things above freezing, but it should keep it above 0F. 4) If you properly stocked your stove the night before, opening the vents in the morning will give you a quick burst of heat in the morning. You won't be cold for long.
I was thinking about my grandfather's badge which says, "survived the night below 60⁰". There is definitely a way to do it. They had larger tents with one stove for multiple men, out in Alaska.
Grew up with a would burning stove in the house . I slept on the couch in the living room to keep the fire going during winter, also to sirs watch . The house almost caught fire several times. In more than 20 years . If I hadn't been there it would have burned down quickly
@@iivin423360 degrees? Or do you mean -60? That can’t be a badge 60 degrees at night is like room temperature. I’ve slept outside with nothing but clothes in those temps. And i’m a pussy compared to servicemen and most grandpas. Certainly my grandpas when they were alive. -60 is extreme tho. I live near a massive army base where one of the mountain divisions reside. It’s the snowiest place in the lower 48 below like 8k feet or something like that. They get a lot of snow. And pretty cold. It CAN technically get like -40 below i think tho it hasn’t in my lifetime. It’s come close. They camp outside in winter. There is nowhere on Earth our boys can’t go and survive for a few days or a few weeks with a modest amount of supplies. I imagine it’s easier to survive in -10 F in a blizzard (with gear) than in death valley when it’s 125 every day. Idk i’ve never really been to the desert. I went to Dallas once in June and it was hot.
Isn’t fire watch also to have a sober, conscious set of eyes at all times? Yeah to stoke the fires, but also to keep watch. Enemies, friends, wildlife. To keep aware of your surroundings so that your mates can sleep without needing to keep one eye open. I’m gonna sleep much more peacefully in a combat zone if i know one (or ideally two) of my platoon mates is wide awake watching over us. I should note that i’ve never been in military. I didn’t make it past Bear Scout. I’ve camped a lot, all in very safe locations with ample supplies usually piss drunk (not always). I’ve read a lot, and I’m smarter than your avg bear. But i have little actual experience or direct knowledge. I’m sure i could get a fire going in decent weather with some branches and a boot lace. But it would take me many hours.
Brother, having a woodstove in the tent is great for a lot of things, especially when you’re awake. But if you’re out in -20, you need sleeping gear rated for -20 at the very least. Then you’ll sleep fine all night. Kudos to you for being willing to do your learning while everybody in the world watches. That’s a definite level of humility and genuine love of learning there. Not everybody would be down with having others watch them learn from mistakes.
Thank you for the kind words and I agree 100%! The cot helped keep me off the floor, dry and warm but I needed a - degree sleeping bag. And imthe stove worked great in the daytime!
@@Austin_SaintOnge : Idk if this will help you at all, brother, but since you’re just getting used to things and learning, maybe a few tips from somebody who spent a lot of time sleeping outside and -20 and lower, might be useful. Just to shorten the learning curve. so you’ve already got a cot, and I think that’s probably gonna be your first best thing you could’ve ever done for yourself. Then the next thing, is to get yourself a sleeping pad that is rated for sufficiently cold weather. No joke. One rated for a lower temperature, will not cut it, and you’ll most likely be utterly miserable all night long, no matter what the rating on your sleeping bag is. So if you’re operating with pretty much no budget, there’s a way around that colon go to the dollar store and pick yourself up a couple of those dense foam yoga mats. Maybe see if you can scrounge a couple of metres of Tyvek, and throw it in the wash, but not the dryer. Tyvek is very crinkly when it’s brand new, but once it goes through the wash a couple times and then gets hung to dry, it gets soft and much quieter without compromising any of the thermal qualities. so that might be an easy work around there, especially if any of your friends do a bit of construction. If not, you can sometimes order a couple of metres of the right width online for a modest price. Some people even put a zipper or some Velcro on there, and make a bivvy bag out of it. Of course you could use any other foam or whatever, but that’s probably your cheapest best bet. You can also use one of those reflective bubble sheets things underneath your yoga mat or sleeping pad to reflect more heat back to you. These ideas are in expensive, and good price to be OK for you, Plus, they don’t add much to the burden of weight that goes on your back in your backpack when you’re hiking into your campsite. In terms of your sleeping bag, if you have one, that’s not rated for cold weather, you may pick up an arctic one at the army surplus store. That could be hard right now while there’s conflict on, but you could always check. alternatively, you can go to a secondhand shop, and see if you can find one that’s rated to the coldest rating you can find, and pick it up inexpensively. then put one of your sleeping bags inside of the other. it’ll be much warmer, although it’ll probably be heavier if you’re trekking. There’s not much you can do about that until you can afford one sleeping bag that’s fairly compact and rated to at least what you need. The other thing that I would suggest, is finding one of those heavy wool blankets, almost like an army blanket. You might even get one at surplus. The nice thing about those, is that they breathe nicely, and that even if the atmosphere is humid, wool always stays warm. You can get one that you can put across your cot and then put your bedding in it, and then fold it over the top of your sleeping bag like a taco, for extra warmth and coziness. The other thing, is that if you’re wearing mukluks Or any winter boot with liners, when you get in the bed at the end of the night, you can consider putting your liners at the foot of your sleeping bag, and if you’re too tall, for that, put them along side of your feet in the sleeping bag. That way, the warmth from your body, while you sleep will drive some of the moisture out of the liners, so that you’re not walking around in wet boots that’ll keep your feet cold the next day.(An old army trick that served us really well.) and if you’re one of those people that tends to run cold, consider taking a hot water bottle with you, even a small one. Some people like to take a Nalgene bottle, but I personally like an old-fashioned, small hot water bottle. When you have your bedtime snack, just put a little extra water in the kettle, and get it hot, but not boiling. it needs to be about a third full, and then you just squeeze out any excess water before you put the stopper on. Put it in your bag, at the bottom where your feet are going to go. by the time you’ve got your teeth, brushed and gotten A lot of your street clothes, move the hot water bottle up to where your that will be, and it fits really nicely right in the small of a persons back. There’s a little bit of an art to getting just the right amount of water into it, but once you’ve got it, you never forget it. and as I mentioned, the other thing is not to sleep in your outdoor clothes. Because it’ll keep the sleeping bag from functioning like it’s designed to, and you’ll end up cold. It’s better to sleep in your longjohns. and that won’t even be too miserable If you have had the stove going in your tent before this, so it’s fairly warm when you get ready for bed. personally, as long as my clothes are dry, I’d like to stick them down in the foot of my sleeping bag as well, but then, again, I’m not very tall and there’s lots of room down there. That way, when I get up in the morning, even when the tent is cold, I’ve got warm clothes to haul on right away. The other tip for somebody who might run cold, is to bring a balaclava. That way your face is not cold, and you won’t be tempted to stick your face in the bag. Because when your face goes in the bag, condensation warms you up for a moment, but in the middle of the night, it sure takes a toll and you wake up frozen. That’s just nasty. Canadian military sleeping bags have something that’s absolutely wonderful: a hood. If your’s doesn’t have that, And you decide that you want one, they’re not hard to make. basically, all you do is go to the thrift store and find a coat that’s nice and warm, with a good hood on it that fits beautifully, preferably with a little bit of foxtail hair for around the hood, because that actually shield you from flying snow, which could be good if you’re out in a hammock some nights. A parka hood would be ideal. so you put on the coat and do it up, hood and all. have a friend help mark the coat across the chest, right under the arms, and probably across the sleeves, too, if you plan to cut those off. you can choose to have sleeves on this, or not. The military ones have no sleeves. then, you’ll probably want to remove the zipper from the coat, by cutting the thread that holds it in place. if the cult you choose to work with, has a down, feeling, make sure that you stitch above, and below, where you’re going to cut, because once you cut, feathers will go absolutely everywhere. But it’s easy to prevent, And besides that, you can do your cutting outside on the doorstep, if feathers going everywhere is a possibility. The wind can deal with it for you. At this point, it’s time to decide whether you would like to have a zipper in the front when it’s done, or if you just want to have a couple of bits of Velcro. Personally, I like Velcro, because When a person turns over on Velcro it is soft, An unlikely to wake the sleeper up. put a few pins were you took the zipper out, to keep things together so they don’t get too chaotic. If you’re putting the zipper back in, this is a good time to put it in place, but it’ll be way too long. That’s OK. Just start with the bottom of the zipper, and when you get to the top, cut it off a couple of inches too long, and then take a pair of pliers and pull the extra teeth out of the way, fold it over, and sew it down. But if you’re not doing that, just a basic seam of the front, will keep it together. Both sides. then you basically take a sewing machine, or find a friend who’s familiar with one, and just run a seam all the way around, from zipper to zipper, on the line that you drew. then cut just below that line, including sleeves, if you don’t want sleeves. So you essentially it up with a hood attached to shoulders, and a little yoke. put your hood set up back on again, and Assuming you decided against sleeves, have your friend mark the place where your armpits will be, On both the front and the back. You’ll put a piece of elastic there, and just zigzag stitch that down. It only takes a moment. do you want the elastic to be at least maybe a centimetre or half an inch wide, so it’s not digging into your flesh, and you want it fairly loose. It’s just a hold the hood in place, but let you comfortably turn over in the bag without losing your hood. If you decide that you’d like to have Velcro closure, put a couple of pieces, maybe 3 inches long on your yolk at the top, and just under the chin, so you can Velcro, your sleeping bag, hood closed, comfortably. Sew that down with a straight stitch on your sewing machine. That’s a great way to fall asleep comfortably, it’ll keep you from putting your head in the bag at night, and you’ll be warm all night long, and if you roll over on the hot water bottle, it won’t wake you up like a Nalgene bottle will. I hope I didn’t overwhelm you with so many ideas, but if I did, ignore most of it, and just pick your favourite tip, If indeed, any of them appeal to you at all, and run with it. When you see how that one works for you, maybe pick the next one and try it. There should be no need for suffering while you’re camping in the winter, my friend. Especially if you own a cot. I hope to see lots more videos from you, as you get things going the way you want.
@@daphneraven6745 very well written intelligent comment good sir. Good information in there. I have used many of the suggestions you mentioned winter camping in both Northern Michigan, and Fairbanks Alaska.
Hot-tenting with a wood-burning stove was never meant for you to keep the wood-burning stove going while you sleep. It gives you a place that you can boil water or cook food inside if weather is really bad outside and gives you a way and a place to be able to warm up out of the weather. Take adequate gear with you so that you can cold- sleep. You’re not meant to try to keep that little stove going all night. That was never its intended purpose. Your sleep system and base layers should be what provides 100% of your warmth so that you can sleep.
If you pack the firebox very full, even with small pieces, and restrict the air-flow, you can keep it going for quite a while. No, you can't keep a roaring fire in there for hours on end. You have to balance heat output to keep the tent comfortable for sleeping - UNDER BLANKETS or IN A SLEEPING BAG, not at a toasty 25 C.
That’s fair. Some people have mentioned using charcoal as well. I think I should have sprung for a larger stove. Also yeah I need a - degree sleeping bag
@@Austin_SaintOngeI think charcoal may last longer but would probably be to hot for this system I think if ya have to much it would burn out the stove
The same rule applies for any fire: when you thinking you've processed enough for the night, process more! It takes five seconds to put wood in fire. That's IF you have it processed already...
I had enough for two nights worth, it’s just this little tin can isn’t big enough 😂 had to reload it every 30-45 minutes. It’s also because it leaks slightly where the glass meets the stainless so it’s hard to control the airflow
@@Austin_SaintOngethat right there has a lot to do with it. The airflow is everything. I used to have this same stove an would take my 7 yr old son winter camping all the time. I'd set an alarm for every 2 hrs an take less than 2 mins to fill it up we never once got cold. Every 30 to 40 mins is crazy lol
Also really depends on what wood he’s burning cause I could fill that thing corner to corner with oak and it would last long enough to roll over and drop a handful more in.
It's to bad most people don't really know how to camp in a tent if you really want to stay out in the freezing temperatures. The proper way to camp like that is to build or own a military pole tent. They can use a wood stove that will burn all night. They are large enough for a big family with areas for sleeping, cooking, and gaming areas. You might look into one. My family spent many years during deer season staying sometimes as long as 4 weeks.
@@trefaa I've Googled tent stoves, and aside from the cheap Chinesium ones, the vast majority come in at the £250 - 350 ($300 - 400) price range. All made from Stainless steel with several having cast iron parts. The best looking one, (with fantastic Trustpilot reviews) was the Outbacker Firebox, which was well within the aforementioned price range. Titanium will be lighter (though who's backpacking with a stove?) and it will take on a beautiful colouration, but I'd go with the $300 Stainless steel one.
@@Austin_SaintOngewait till the glass breaks and your life depends on the heat, or worse: whether the fire pops out and burns the tent down while you sleep or carbon monoxide
Question, and let me start off by saying I know nothing about this, but could you use something like coal instead? Doesn't it burn longer / hotter so you could restrict air a little more or something and get the same heat output.
@sirsmokealot96 also forgot to mention this entire setup lives in the back of my Land Cruiser. Not a backpacker just wanted to try out hot tent camping since I’ve seen it all over UA-cam. But yeah, firewood is obviously much more abundant in the woods 😃
I use an army surplus oil burning stove in my bell tent because of this exact issue. The stove is called an SHS (Space heater Small) and it was made by two different companies, Hunter and ITR. Mine's an ITR but I don't think there's much of a difference. I modified it to accept a 5 gallon steel Jerry can that I strap to a tripod (gravity feed) and I can run the stove for 28-36 hours straight. Problem is that these stoves are pretty hard to find and recently they've gotten extremely expensive. Because of that I completely bathe my stove in oil for storage. I paid $400 but now I see them for like $900. That's not including the external fuel tank modification which can easily be another $200+ plus the Jerry can breather tube/fuel cap-thing and tripod are also hard to find. But yeah I got lucky because I have the most reliable hot tent set up on earth with this thing haha. The stove makes this ethereal, gentle, deep, "whooshing" sound, like wind in slow motion or something. And it has a 1 inch glass view port that's a perfect night light. I really should make a video about this thing because it's such a unique and robust tent heating system
Man I just learned more about keeping warm out in the elements by reading the comments here. Than I have in all my 52 years on this rock. Kudos to you for having the guts to come on here asking for help. ✌️
lol I’ve learned quite a bit too, that’s the nice thing about UA-cam! Never claimed to be a master outdoorsman but I’m glad that people have offered so much helpful recommendations
Was gonna say not all tent stoves are equal some are great for certain things while being not so good for others. Just need to get the type that best suits your needs
@@Austin_SaintOngeI do t have to worry about snow here in Australia, but I know for sure if you have a stretcher or non insulated air mattress, they’re good for comfort but difficult to stay warm because they have air passing underneath. So you either layer it, with an insulating blanket below your sleeping bag (+ insulators retain whatever heat is there, go to bed cold, wake up cold, go to bed warm, you’ll likely stay warm in a decent sleeping bag) another handy one is a ground mat that is reflective pointing up to refelect heat back in your tent. Another good tip is take off a layer of clothing before bed (keep them in your bag or someplace they’ll remain warm so you have a warm layer to add on when you wake up).
Pro tip you do what's is known as a hot load. You get a cooking thermometer load that bad boy up with wood chips/ small pieces all over the bottom and then split a hard wood such a sap wood and split pieces about as wide as a finger but almost as long as the stove. Load that bad boy up and see what the top temp is and how long it stays at top temp. That's how long you can sleep comfortably.
If you're in conditions that cold you have to insulate you tent to make a difference. It will resemble a dwelling at that point, but that's the idea. Use what's available. Pine boughs work well. Stick bundles also work. Doesn't have to be sealed perfect, just enough to hold that slightly warmer air near the surface of the tent. Then the walls and ceiling won't be too cold. Works very well when there is little to no wind. Good luck and stay safe!
You’re right I definitely didn’t do a good job of sealing the tent. It’s hard to get the zippers to seal up propers if you don’t have your pegs lined up perfect. Thanks!
I built an off grid 12x12 cabin out of pallet wood and salvaged lumber and I use a a portable wood stove in that. It’s well insulated and that little stove cranks in there. When I do sleep out there I wake up around 2-3 times to feed it but that’s part of using wood for heat.
Don’t have one yet so please correct if wrong as I am looking into to them. 1) Me as a novice will only get 1-2 hours burn time in a lightweight stove, but skill can extend it to 3-4 hours? 2) You don’t have to use an ultralight stove (thin metal and not sealed) if truck camping. A 30-50lb sealed stove can keep warm all night. 3) If truck camping there’s no reason you can’t use a diesel heater if you don’t enjoy wood fire (which includes prepping fuel)
If you let the ash build up and don't clean out the ash pan you can keep a bed of coals for hours, trust me I know. So it's up to preferences in whether you want a quick hot fire or a everlasting bed of coals. So to be honest they work awesome if you know how to use them.
We used hot stoves in the army in alaska. Some key differences: we used large 13 man tents, so we rotated 1 hour fire guard shifts to watch the stove all night, and we fueled the stoves with diesel so they ran days with out refill. The people talking about this idea don’t seem to comment with much authority, howerve having used similar system for years, I think this videographer nailed the downsides precisely, oh and the weight.
If your tent doesn’t have a floor and there’s nothing to catch fire. Can your stove just sit directly on the ground? Why do you need to put it on its legs? Wouldn’t there be better ground heat transfer that way?
Lived in a drafty 6'x14' cabin in Alaska for a year. It would cool off rapidly, but the key is having a good sleaping bag so you dont wake up cold. And having used motor oil to get the fire going again fast in the morning. Just a little bit on the charcoal. Works every time.
@@Austin_SaintOnge soak some egg cartons or newspaper in vegetable oil. Excellent fire starter. Also, wide cap water bottles like nalgene in a sock and a fleece liner for the bag are excellent. You can dry the liner outside or in the evening, hanging from the ceiling of the tent
Turn the air intake way down and have a slow fire through the night. That all depends on the stove though of course and would have been the first thing you tried, but just incase haha
You can buy a larger stove which has some cons but I use mine for overland camping so I don’t hike too far. I’ve been hot tent camping for over a decade now and you can definitely maintain the fire for long periods of time with a quality stove.
I have this same exact tent an stove an never once have I had to wake up an stoke the fire. The type of wood your burning plays a huge part in it. I use nothing but white an red oak at night time an its never let me down.
I’ve slept for weeks in 10 degree down to -6 in Kentucky, good sleep system you won’t need to stoke it, get a insulation liner if you’re going to be sleeping in temps below zero. These stoves are made for quick and easy setup to serve as short term heating options. In a pinch they can be used for longer term if needed.
@@Austin_SaintOngebuy once cry once. Nemo sells really good gear. An insulated tensor pad and one of their -10 sleeping bags would probably suit you quite well. Gonna cost ya 800$..ish. but solid gear nonetheless.
Being honest, I have 0 experience in this. So I apologise if this is a really dumb question, but could you take a small amount of coals with you? Just enough to burn through the night? I mean obv if you're taking hot tents & stoves you aren't backpacking, so it's not like you're going to be hiking about having to carry it?
Unless you are in truly arctic conditions then you shouldn't need to keep the fire going all night. Cold is fine for sleep given the right sleeping bag.
Any decent "four season" tent will work. And the rain-fly isn't just for rain... It gives you a second wall creating an insulated gap. I'm old fashioned and think a stove in your tent is just asking for something really bad to happen. Exceptions for some serious mountaineering and some big base-camps... But in general, just no.
I had a pop nice 8 man pop up shanty, I loved it, id get up before the sun and be on the ice right before sunrise. I had a Coleman propane lantern I used for light an heat and at 0°F I could take off my snowsuit an sit an fish comfortably with a sweater an jeans, Ih had a thin coating of some kinda insulating rubber on the inside. It was Eskimo brand and the color red. Eventually I got tired of dragging all that stuff around by myself cause no one wants to go ice fishing cause they think they would be cold the entire time, so after a few years ice fishing I gave it up, plus I live in Ohio and their are entire winters where we wouldn't get enough ice to fish.
Tipi with an 18 inch deep fire pit is the only way to winter camp. The trick is to have air vents piped from the pit to the outside. The coal base can last a couple days especially if you line the pit with lava rock. Outside temp below zero. Inside temp 70 to 80 degrees F. Keep plenty of hard wood stacked inside to last a few days!
Try a dual chambered rocket stove, button it up to barely consume the firewood sticks, it’ll auto, gravity feed , just make sure you have fresh air feeding it
I know while in the army our “hot tent” (I was stationed at Fort wainwright in Fairbanks Alaska) had a JP8 diesel fuel heater. The carburetor leaked fuel constantly and when I woke up during my fire guard shift I had everyone evacuate the tent because there was a pile of diesel on the ground surrounding our stove! lol it’s crazy. We went from arctic survival to being deployed to Afghanistan… made no sense but I would not trade it for anything
@@Austin_SaintOngeA good sleepingbag works for many years of youtube use and some have a comfort temp of -40F. That should do for most of your tent days.
Stove for day, buddy heater at night, sounds like a decent plan, I lived in my van for a while, the buddy heater kept me warm enough that I could be butt naked in winter in Montana. 😅👍
I have 2 size buddy heaters for camping, and have loved them. Tent, small cabin, or overland vehicle camping works out great, when paired with a proper rated sleeping bag
Here’s another huge problem; people not realizing that there are hard woods and there are soft woods. A forearm sized piece of seasoned red oak will burn for 5-6 hours if you have a bed of coal and your damper is set correctly.
Just want to add that most people that have lived in tents wintertime have not had a fire going at night unless someone stayed up and guarded the fire. Carbon monoxide is a silent killer and burning bedding is no fun either. But if you have a stone hearth the stnes store heat.
You could try to mod the tent with something like Mylar that will hold the heat inside the tent longer. Duct tape some space blankets together to make a tarp you can put over the tent. Or use some of those cheap tarps that are green on one side, Mylar on the other, and cover the tent with them.
Sounds like condensation city in winter. Lol I would not do that. Part of the appeal of canvas is that it breathes. Imagine how humid it'd be wrapped in mylar. Lol
@@zakkw788 Yeah. I was just brainstorming ideas. Actually, I don’t think it would get too humid inside. There’s still a wood stove in there. I was thinking of the Mylar only on top of the tent like a cap to hold in the heat. Leave the sides of the tent as is, for ventilation.
I grew up winter camping, and that's just the way she goes. The stove used here is a little small compared to what often gets used, but yeah, historically you just dealt with it and got up several times a night. Some folks who spent lots of time in these things have claimed to be able to re-stoke the fire in their sleep. Better than sleeping outside, at least!
When your stove dies out it just turns from a hot tent to a tent We shouldnt rely on the stove for over night warmth ideally you want the heating off when you sleep and let your sleeping bag do the work, the stove is ideal for being sociable and sitting around in the evenings
@@Austin_SaintOnge we live and learn! I'm sure people will dis agree with that but I don't like the thought of a fire or gas heater running while we are sleeping!
@georgedawson235 for sure, the exhaust did clog up a few times forcing smoke past the glass seals and made the tent super smoky. I think a simple buddy heater is a good cheap solution, but also will come with its issues
There are heated battery-powered vests on the market that you can sleep in to boost heat when camping. That in conjunction with a stove may work out all night. Think in terms of a target: stove, sleep system for insulation, and battery-powered vest for heat. The vest plus a good sleep system should last through the night.
A tip I’ve seen is, depending on where you’re setting up, gather some good sized rocks and place them on/around your stove. Let them heat up really well a few hours before you turn in for the night. Stoke up the stove and the stones should radiate heat most of the night like a heat sink.
Got a basically 18" cubed stove in my van, 8 hours of heat easy when she's crammed. The husky would rather I let it go out haha I crack the door for him
In the early 1990s, I did winter camping by -35ºC in a green military cotton tent with a cast iron stove. We were a team on snowshoes, carrying things on toboggans. It was very demanding. We had cans of fruit salad but then were frozen solid, we had to leave them on the stove for a while before eating.
@@Swissmister93 Wood, coal, charcoal, diesel, and propane are all burned in houses and camp tents. You use a stove with a chimney. You don't just build a fire on the ground in a tent. Notice the guy doing it knew exactly what I was talking about. Sleep in tents for twenty years, and you'll figure out lots of things.
@@Austin_SaintOnge turn the draft down so it’s not burning wide open, and bring a weather rated sleeping bag. Doing this burns the wood slower and makes it last longer. I’ve slept under tarp shelters with a long fire on a ground pad with nothing but a blanket. It takes work, waking up only once every couple hours to add wood and stoke the fire. Couple weeks ago I slept outside without a tarp mid winter and had a fire going all night without an issue.. it’s a preparation and skill issue you’re complaining about
Without power/gas or liquid fuel, wood or coal were the main, cheap, easily usable fuels for heating. I've sat through my part of heating a home with both coal and wood stoves and they take constant maintenance to keep an even fire. Back in the mid-80's I've also sat through using a kerosene heater and they usually needed to be fueled every 3 hours or so. Also emitted a LOT of co2, so you needed to keep the ventilation so people didn't suffocate. So, you may be bone tired tending that stove in the hot tent, but you'd be warm and cozy. Which I would say, either set a timer on your phone or use some kind of 2-3 hour timer to wake yourself up if you're daft enough to be out in cold harsh conditions by yourself.
I agree completely. I made one myself of a similar size from furnace ducting. Pretty simple job and inexpensive. Sixty bucks vs 600. But the problem is the same. Not enough capacity for more than 30 to 45 mins of burn time. Then you need to restoke, hopefully before it burns out completely and it still takes 5 to 10 mins to get burning again. So absolutely no way to sleep, unless you have two people and one stays awake. The other thing I didn't like was the temperature. On a full burn it got so warm you had to open the tent otherwise you were too hot. Then as it burns down you need to do the reverse. I finally gave up and let it burn out and slept in the cold. Sure a bigger stove would help, but remember, this is camping. You gotta carry this stuff in. So that only works if you have a sled or some mechanical means of gettting there. A better idea might be some kind of fuel based heater, just enough to keep things above freezing. More consistent temp also.
As inconvenient as a small stove is, I'd rather wake up cold and then stoke a fire to warm up and eat a warm meal which will then allow me to collect more fuel and food. If you're living out doors in a tent you have to expect discomfort and inconvenience. The idea is to stay alive.
Tending the fire at night is a strange thing. Some hate doing alone, others don't mind. My dad didn't have a heater in his house, but he had a big fireplace and occasionally on really cold nights, I would just make a little bed on the floor and keep the fire going while taking naps in-between. It was cozy.
Have you tried throttling the intake to get it to burn slower? Probably still not enough to get a stove that small through the night but just a thought.
You can modify your chimney flue, and not using soft woods will help you in the endeavor of keeping a fire lit longer. in fact, you can use hardwood pellets and fill it 75% of the way and it will burn slowly for a long time. oak, walnut, hickory, apple, or cherry woods will burn longer than soft woods because they are hard and dense. also, use a bigger stove. the fire WILL burn out near dawn, but if you stoke a big stove with enough hardwood when you go to sleep and eat something fatty, you won't tell / give a shit. processing fat in your sleep keeps your body warm even in the conditions of the north pole, it's what the inuit do.
Definitely worth using slow burning wood. I did a camp in -20c i had similar problems. I now take a block of synthetic peat it burns slowly and keeps the tent above 0c. Also it’s worth getting an insulated flu and an insulated tent if you’re planning on camping in sub zero temperature.
So I have come up with the solution for that and it may or may not work for you, but I use those timed quick burn woods and they have been proven to atleast last about 3-4 hours so I mix it in with the rest of the woods I already precut so I don’t have to be cutting wood when I’m about to go to sleep, Also I don’t use the quick burn woods till I’m ready to sleep so I set a timer to when I should wake up since it burns for 3-4 hours I can set my timer to wake me up to load regular wood which had been precut so I can go back to sleep yes morning will be cold in negative temperatures but the point is be able to sleep/stay warm so you can survive the nextday.
Its not made to last all night, but heating big rocks helps, bigger stoves help, closing the flu helps the wood burn slower, lots of available options to help but not completely solve the issues
First of all, people who think it's unrealistic never had to use a fireplace to warm their house. I did that and I can say that there are methods that make your wood last longer, like letting only minimal amount of air to go in, that way your wood will burn slower.
I have lived in a yurt for 2 years in Alaska, and heat with wood. When it’s -40 or colder, I get up every 90 minutes to keep the fire blazing hot. It’s a small price to pay for living off grid and not having a mortgage. *I also use a canvas wall tent for long term hunting basecamps and for guest that visit my property. The stove I have is a Colorado Cylinder stove which is made out of heavy duty steel which retains heat much longer than a lightweight stove like you have. If you are unwilling or unable to get up throughout the night to restock your fire, one thing you can do is take an empty Gatorade bottle and fill it with hot water and put it in your sleeping bag. The more you add, the warmer you’ll stay.
Put the largest container available on the stove, cook safe of course, and fill it with water…..it’ll help store the heat. Rocks also work a bit. Traditionally, the heavy cast iron of stoves stored heat over night. Before that the heavy stone of a hearth and fireplace. Thin stainless sheet metal just doesn’t compare
The hot stove is not the issue, the issue is that you're using a cot, Are you even using a -20° sleepingbag? That tent doesnt look to keep your warm throughout the night. But you could just have sissy skin 😂
I agree with the thumbnail to a degree. I have a great 12x16 wall tent with a wood stove that i can sleep in comfortably during extremely cold temperatures. My hot tent and titanium stove is for backpacking/snowshoeing into remote areas. My gear for this setup is entirely different. Yes i do need to the fire going every couple of hours but i have shelter from the wind and elements. The two setups aren't supposed to be the same comfort wise.
$600? Damn, I had no idea they were so expensive. I made my own out of some stainless sheet metal we had around the shop and bought some cheap pipe at Home Depot for the chimney. I recommend keeping a couple of pieces of dried hardwood in your stove. Properly dried hardwood burns hotter and longer, it is well worth the extra few pounds of weight. If you burn fresh cut while you're awake then throw a piece of the dried hardwood in before you go to sleep it will give you a good 6 hours of heat depending on the size/type.
I'm not outdoorsy, but why not add mylar to the inside of your tent? I'm sure a mylar layer would make it too hot while using a cooking fire, but a small fire to keep warm at night mylar seems ideal. If I'm wrong I'd genuinely appreciate an explanation.
I use truck diesel heaters a.k.a. Chinese diesel heaters. It works great and in a pinch can heat your entire house. A lot of people don’t like the smell, but if your heater is tuned correctly once it’s hot it puts out minimal odor
Stack it up and fill it before bed. Let it burn to coals, then load it up again making sure the logs smoulder but don't ignite. You do this by adjusting the airflow to ensure it has enough oxygen to burn, but not enough to produce visible flame. Besides, in that weather, hot tent or not, you should have a quality insulated sleep system. Preferably a cocoon style or with a hood. Then you can easily reach out to ignite your heater and wait inside your sleeping bag for it to warm up.
at least you can stoke it while you are inside. a real campfire you would also have to stoke and thats outside in the cold so this is way better than freezing your nuts off. or you just prep your wood by soaking it in resin so it will last way longer and put those in right before bed. or look at putting an insulating layer over your tent like those tin foil things. should also help keep the heat in
Depending on the temperature, pair you stove up with a 3 or 4 season bag that way when the burner dies you’ll be snug all night, failing that learn to use the damper and air intake the slow down the burn time, I’ve got a Gstove if I fill it with 3 or 4inch logs before bed shut off the air intake and close the damper I’ll get a good 4 hour sleep before re fueling👍
it's not the stove that's unrealistic, it's the entire setup. Small tent camping/backpacking enough gear to stay in a climate like this limits your stove size, which limits log size, etc which is where the core problem is. This is why larger tents are necessary which allow you to make a bigger and longer lasting fire and requiring you ventilate much differently as well. Can you get away with it in different ways? Yes, but not with a small form factor fire.
Valid, but that’s been the case throughout history. The stove is a step above a fire pit, and step bellow central heating. It’s the best option for sleeping outside. Or you can do a jet stove setup with a metal pipe that feed heated air.
You can also try adding heat beads with your wood Use hardwood that burns longer, and add some coals like heat beads at the bottom which will gradually burn all night, providing more heat over a longer time Even the heat provided by a couple of these things will keep you warm a very long time in an enclosed space like a tent
@Austin_SaintOnge hadn't thought about the chimney at all, that's a pretty good point Personally I camp in a tarp, and I dig a shallow hole, fill it with hot coals and stick a bucket over the top, works well enough
A small canvas tent gets pretty warm with just a propane lantern. Turning it way down so it’s not too bright still keeps it comfortably warm. Also, put a hot water bottle in your sleeping bag.
How many hours can you get out of a stuffed full and shut down stove! We've always just banked down with biggest wood we could fit wit as much small around it! Good stove would last all night. Some that leaked air or didn't seal well lasted at least 4hrs.
You could try filling a big pot with snow and then bring that to a boil. Before you go to sleep you fill up the stove, put it on minimal oxygen and put a lid on the pot. Would be cool if you could try that in another video to see how much of a difference in warmth over time that makes.
I had 10 x 12 Davis wall tent. Had a 2.5 cubic foot stove. Would produce heat for 4 plus hours so have to wake one time. Big deal. That happens when heating a house with wood. If you wake to reload, the house will be alot warmer than if you let it burn for 8 hours without refilling
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In the military one of you tends the fire and you take turns sleeping.
I need to get one of them Tesla robots to load it while I’m sleeping 😂
Hence the term “fire watch” was born back when there used to be fires to watch.
@@jackjones9460When welding came around the term was used to make sure you weren’t setting something on fire in the surrounding compartments onboard ships when doing hot work.
@@JohnFourtyTwoit still is
Does this look like the military?
Best rule for collecting firewood I've heard is: once you have a pile that you think is big enough, make it four times bigger.
Yeah I heard 5x, but in general it's absolutely true. Haha
Thats good if youre inexperienced. No chance id be collecting too much firewood and leaving most of it the next day
@@John...44... do you mind if I ask why? It seems like the people who would come after you might appreciate that tremendously, but I could also see how it might be seen as littering.
@@Grandma_Jizzzzzzzard im not wasting my time collecting wood on the small chance someone might use it
When I was growing weed I found this to also be true about soil.
1) You WAY overpaid for that. 2) Don’t buy one the size of a soup thermos. Even one a tad bigger will hold far more wood. 3) If you didn't, decrease the chimney vent so it smokes a little more inside the stove, burning the wood slower by decreasing available oxygen. 4) Use hardwood if you didn't.
And at least 1/8 inch material. Paper thin metal retains no heat.
How much would you expect to pay for a stove AND tent? $600 seems reasonable
@@anthonydesouza9983 I bought a canvas tent about 2 years ago for around $1300 CAD (found a deal that avoided shipping/importing costs from the USA). Same tent now goes for around $1600 before taxes. Quality isn't cheap. There's some really nice tents for like $2500 range but that's about the point where it may just be cheaper to try to save up for a truck and camper.
I also bought a decent wood stove at around the same time, imported it from Russia. That cost me around $400. Saw a wood stove that looked just like it on Amazon for cheaper... except it was stamped steel, not welded. Again, quality makes the difference.
@@vovin8132 Welded doesn't make it better. It is about the thickness... the fact you think that welds = better is a big red flag that you don't know what you are talking about and are easy to take advantage of.
@@thomgizziz Well I have extensively used it for years. I guess you like choking on smoke inside your tent because the seems are not welded closed. Thanks for your lecture on how I don't know what I'M talking about.
Waking up freezing in the morning is better than having been frozen in the night.
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Welcome to the 19'th century, and before that, people regularly got up at night to tend the fireplace.
Or had enough blankets and slept through the nights in shared beds
Exactly like people still live like this.
All depends on the wood. If you have hardwood for firewood you can load’r up and choke down the damper and it will last most of the night and supply plenty of heat.
People still do it when wood is what heats the house
@@Mothball_manin a tent with a stove that size no it won’t, if you choke it down it won’t put off a meaningful amount of heat. As someone who actually tent camps in the mountains, the only way to stay warm is to get up and keep it going strong.
Here’s a trick the old timers used to do to have a hot stove all night:
Once you have a good set of coals rake them into something like an old pot, pile wood into your stove, add the coals, get the wood to start burning before shutting the door and restricting the oxygen
Coals will burn hot all night especially with fresh wood to keep them going
U don’t have to take out the coals. U pack the stove on top of the coals, getting it going then cut off the air
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You take them out if you’re burning the wood lengthwise not width wise
Yours is still a good method
l just sleep in oversized down ski clothes, toe socks under wool socks, a hat and a warm rocks. In the morning, I'm warm enough to heat up my van.
That is for an actual iron stove. This little steel stove cannot do that. It would eventually corrode away. Iron works differently.
[EDITed as my original reply was thought too harsh by some] If you wake up freezing you have the wrong sleeping system. The idea is not keeping the tent warm the whole night , but to give you 2 or 3 hrs in the evening when you prepare your meal, dry your clothes etc.. This makes a hell of a difference.
For sure, I’m a novice, I needed a sleeping bag instead of a blanket and bigger stove or a self feeding system would have been nice
@@Austin_SaintOnge I didn't mean it in a mean way, and I did not know you are a novice. I just stumbled in and this was your first video I saw 🙂 But videos like this are good for other novices who maybe have also wrong ideas/expectations.
When it gets really cold whatever you have under your sleeping bag gets more and more important as a lot of warmth dissipates through your mat into the ground. People freeze with giant sleeping bags when they do not invest enough effort into that part of insulation.
Where I live it gets down to -40 °C / -40F once in a while. So I know the whole temperature range below freezing point ;-)
@@AlexanderBlumenau hey thanks man I appreciate your input! And yeah insulating the floor makes a ton of sense.
@@Austin_SaintOngeIf you sleep on a cot, you don't insulate the floor. Your body weight compresses all the insulation loft under you, so you need a pad on top of the cot. Even with a winter bag, you'll sleep cold without one.
@@wolfman231 good to know! Thanks!
It’s called buying a proper winter sleeping bag and pad.
I trust the guy with the Canadian flag pfp for real
That’s called ducking freezing and not a viable way to live long spans of time dude chillax my face gets chilly
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@@lindboknifeandtoolIf you’re freezing you didn’t buy the proper bag.
@@lindboknifeandtool OK, some winter training 4u. Get a proper sleeping bag and insulating sheet, if possible a raised canvas bed. Cook dinner and 2-3L of hot water while you eat. Enough calories and hot food help your body stay warm. Fill the water in nalgene/steel bottles or even small thermos, wrap those in a sock. Put them into your sleeping bag, next to your feet and between your legs. This will release heat over time, keep the water from freezing too, so you can use it to cook breakfast while still in your PROPER sleeping bag.
The real problem is the fact they keep selling these tents with the wrong stove. Always buy the tent and stove separately.
"made in China" stuff plagues Amazon and such storefronts easily. And they are intentionally marked up knowing people are willing to pay for it. At some point it's more cheaper to 'build' your own tent.
@@dra6o0nsurely if its more expensive and other people are buying it it must be worth the money, right? 😂
@@OsirusHandle People are just gullible and a lot of reviews on Amazon are exaggerated or faked.
@@dra6o0n a lot of the time people review something day 1 which is pointless anyway. tell me how your toaster is doing in year 3 not day 1...
@@OsirusHandle also even real reviews are shit. So many 5 stars are 5 stars for what they were expecting not 5 stars for the product. A 5 star $50 tent and a 5 star $500 tent aren't anywhere near the same
Get some big rocks to leave on top of the stove before bed, they hold heat for a while
That’s also a solution good point
@@Austin_SaintOngecheck out @outdoorboys he takes the stove has pre piles made and ready and then as said above he puts stones on top the stove and heats em. He also doesnt sleep on the ground. He puts the hot stones or (hot embers ) under his bed/platform. He also boils water puts em in water containers and sleeps with em inside his tent. You really made a whole video of no sense.
@@jibbsmcdoink3009 I love outdoor boys! I saw all those tips he showed and they’re all great, I just should have just bought a larger stove and a - degree sleeping bag
@@Austin_SaintOnge wait till the glamping glass breaks in the night.... either you'll suffocate from smoke inhalation or carbon monoxide...or it WIL KEEP YOU WARM as the tent burns down
@@Austin_SaintOngeTry using ash logs or beech if you can. Sometimes it's not the stove but what you're burning. That being said I live in England so negative 20 isn't really something we get, that'd be very extreme here. You're probably already using the best wood you can get. Your stove looks pretty nice but maybe buy a bigger one if you get another. My only other suggestion would be to upgrade your clothing/sleeping setup, use what the natives use fur and moccasins etc
Being in a region with extreme cold there are some tricks:
1) Don't try to make it household Temps. The tent doesn't have the insulation to do so. 40F is more than warm enough.
2) let the tent cool down about an hour before you bed down. Wear as little as possible inside a cold weather sleeping g bag. A multilayer arctic bag is best.
3) when stocking the stove for the night, use as dense a wood as possible (you can get pressurized sawdust bricks for this) and choke the fire down to near extinguishing. It will still generate a little heat all night long as it smolders. It won't keep things above freezing, but it should keep it above 0F.
4) If you properly stocked your stove the night before, opening the vents in the morning will give you a quick burst of heat in the morning. You won't be cold for long.
Great tips thank you!
Sawdust bricks block the chimney flue vent. I've tried them at night for the heat so know first hand.
"Sawdust bricks". There's a point where you just use oil stoves like what we used in the artic at temporary work sites.
Pressurized sawdust bricks lol. No.
More like a high-temp/slow-burning wood like alder or birch
I GET THE PARAFIN BLOCKS FROM A LOCAL OUTDOORSTORE AND LOVE THEM. NO PLUGGING AT ALL WTH?
Hate to let you know......this is the way it works
Dont need heat to sleep, need a sleeping bag or blankets. Need heat to leave bed comfortably or to hang out in your living space
Yup you’re exactly right. Got the right sleeping bag now
The US military sleep systems are great , anyway here in Australia our hardwoods will burn all night !
Just before getting out of your warm bed, put your clothes for the day into your bed/sleeping bag to get the cold off of them
@@Austin_SaintOngehey way to go on your channel. It’s awesome seeing a guy with down syndrome do so much outdoors stuff.
So basically just buy a regular tent, a good sleeping bag and a propane buddy heater...
That’s where the term fire watch in the army comes from. You take shifts during the night tending to the fire and make sure the tent doesn’t burn down
Need to get me one of them Tesla robots to do it for me lol
I was thinking about my grandfather's badge which says, "survived the night below 60⁰". There is definitely a way to do it. They had larger tents with one stove for multiple men, out in Alaska.
Grew up with a would burning stove in the house . I slept on the couch in the living room to keep the fire going during winter, also to sirs watch . The house almost caught fire several times. In more than 20 years . If I hadn't been there it would have burned down quickly
@@iivin423360 degrees? Or do you mean -60? That can’t be a badge 60 degrees at night is like room temperature. I’ve slept outside with nothing but clothes in those temps. And i’m a pussy compared to servicemen and most grandpas. Certainly my grandpas when they were alive.
-60 is extreme tho.
I live near a massive army base where one of the mountain divisions reside. It’s the snowiest place in the lower 48 below like 8k feet or something like that. They get a lot of snow. And pretty cold. It CAN technically get like -40 below i think tho it hasn’t in my lifetime. It’s come close.
They camp outside in winter.
There is nowhere on Earth our boys can’t go and survive for a few days or a few weeks with a modest amount of supplies.
I imagine it’s easier to survive in -10 F in a blizzard (with gear) than in death valley when it’s 125 every day. Idk i’ve never really been to the desert. I went to Dallas once in June and it was hot.
Isn’t fire watch also to have a sober, conscious set of eyes at all times? Yeah to stoke the fires, but also to keep watch.
Enemies, friends, wildlife. To keep aware of your surroundings so that your mates can sleep without needing to keep one eye open.
I’m gonna sleep much more peacefully in a combat zone if i know one (or ideally two) of my platoon mates is wide awake watching over us.
I should note that i’ve never been in military. I didn’t make it past Bear Scout. I’ve camped a lot, all in very safe locations with ample supplies usually piss drunk (not always). I’ve read a lot, and I’m smarter than your avg bear. But i have little actual experience or direct knowledge. I’m sure i could get a fire going in decent weather with some branches and a boot lace. But it would take me many hours.
Brother, having a woodstove in the tent is great for a lot of things, especially when you’re awake.
But if you’re out in -20, you need sleeping gear rated for -20 at the very least. Then you’ll sleep fine all night.
Kudos to you for being willing to do your learning while everybody in the world watches. That’s a definite level of humility and genuine love of learning there. Not everybody would be down with having others watch them learn from mistakes.
Thank you for the kind words and I agree 100%! The cot helped keep me off the floor, dry and warm but I needed a - degree sleeping bag. And imthe stove worked great in the daytime!
@@Austin_SaintOnge : Idk if this will help you at all, brother, but since you’re just getting used to things and learning, maybe a few tips from somebody who spent a lot of time sleeping outside and -20 and lower, might be useful. Just to shorten the learning curve.
so you’ve already got a cot, and I think that’s probably gonna be your first best thing you could’ve ever done for yourself.
Then the next thing, is to get yourself a sleeping pad that is rated for sufficiently cold weather. No joke.
One rated for a lower temperature, will not cut it, and you’ll most likely be utterly miserable all night long, no matter what the rating on your sleeping bag is.
So if you’re operating with pretty much no budget, there’s a way around that colon go to the dollar store and pick yourself up a couple of those dense foam yoga mats. Maybe see if you can scrounge a couple of metres of Tyvek, and throw it in the wash, but not the dryer.
Tyvek is very crinkly when it’s brand new, but once it goes through the wash a couple times and then gets hung to dry, it gets soft and much quieter without compromising any of the thermal qualities. so that might be an easy work around there, especially if any of your friends do a bit of construction. If not, you can sometimes order a couple of metres of the right width online for a modest price. Some people even put a zipper or some Velcro on there, and make a bivvy bag out of it.
Of course you could use any other foam or whatever, but that’s probably your cheapest best bet.
You can also use one of those reflective bubble sheets things underneath your yoga mat or sleeping pad to reflect more heat back to you.
These ideas are in expensive, and good price to be OK for you, Plus, they don’t add much to the burden of weight that goes on your back in your backpack when you’re hiking into your campsite.
In terms of your sleeping bag, if you have one, that’s not rated for cold weather, you may pick up an arctic one at the army surplus store. That could be hard right now while there’s conflict on, but you could always check.
alternatively, you can go to a secondhand shop, and see if you can find one that’s rated to the coldest rating you can find, and pick it up inexpensively. then put one of your sleeping bags inside of the other. it’ll be much warmer, although it’ll probably be heavier if you’re trekking. There’s not much you can do about that until you can afford one sleeping bag that’s fairly compact and rated to at least what you need.
The other thing that I would suggest, is finding one of those heavy wool blankets, almost like an army blanket. You might even get one at surplus.
The nice thing about those, is that they breathe nicely, and that even if the atmosphere is humid, wool always stays warm.
You can get one that you can put across your cot and then put your bedding in it, and then fold it over the top of your sleeping bag like a taco, for extra warmth and coziness.
The other thing, is that if you’re wearing mukluks Or any winter boot with liners, when you get in the bed at the end of the night, you can consider putting your liners at the foot of your sleeping bag, and if you’re too tall, for that, put them along side of your feet in the sleeping bag.
That way, the warmth from your body, while you sleep will drive some of the moisture out of the liners, so that you’re not walking around in wet boots that’ll keep your feet cold the next day.(An old army trick that served us really well.)
and if you’re one of those people that tends to run cold, consider taking a hot water bottle with you, even a small one. Some people like to take a Nalgene bottle, but I personally like an old-fashioned, small hot water bottle.
When you have your bedtime snack, just put a little extra water in the kettle, and get it hot, but not boiling. it needs to be about a third full, and then you just squeeze out any excess water before you put the stopper on. Put it in your bag, at the bottom where your feet are going to go. by the time you’ve got your teeth, brushed and gotten A lot of your street clothes, move the hot water bottle up to where your that will be, and it fits really nicely right in the small of a persons back. There’s a little bit of an art to getting just the right amount of water into it, but once you’ve got it, you never forget it.
and as I mentioned, the other thing is not to sleep in your outdoor clothes. Because it’ll keep the sleeping bag from functioning like it’s designed to, and you’ll end up cold. It’s better to sleep in your longjohns. and that won’t even be too miserable If you have had the stove going in your tent before this, so it’s fairly warm when you get ready for bed.
personally, as long as my clothes are dry, I’d like to stick them down in the foot of my sleeping bag as well, but then, again, I’m not very tall and there’s lots of room down there. That way, when I get up in the morning, even when the tent is cold, I’ve got warm clothes to haul on right away.
The other tip for somebody who might run cold, is to bring a balaclava. That way your face is not cold, and you won’t be tempted to stick your face in the bag. Because when your face goes in the bag, condensation warms you up for a moment, but in the middle of the night, it sure takes a toll and you wake up frozen. That’s just nasty.
Canadian military sleeping bags have something that’s absolutely wonderful: a hood. If your’s doesn’t have that, And you decide that you want one, they’re not hard to make.
basically, all you do is go to the thrift store and find a coat that’s nice and warm, with a good hood on it that fits beautifully, preferably with a little bit of foxtail hair for around the hood, because that actually shield you from flying snow, which could be good if you’re out in a hammock some nights. A parka hood would be ideal.
so you put on the coat and do it up, hood and all. have a friend help mark the coat across the chest, right under the arms, and probably across the sleeves, too, if you plan to cut those off.
you can choose to have sleeves on this, or not. The military ones have no sleeves.
then, you’ll probably want to remove the zipper from the coat, by cutting the thread that holds it in place.
if the cult you choose to work with, has a down, feeling, make sure that you stitch above, and below, where you’re going to cut, because once you cut, feathers will go absolutely everywhere. But it’s easy to prevent, And besides that, you can do your cutting outside on the doorstep, if feathers going everywhere is a possibility. The wind can deal with it for you.
At this point, it’s time to decide whether you would like to have a zipper in the front when it’s done, or if you just want to have a couple of bits of Velcro. Personally, I like Velcro, because When a person turns over on Velcro it is soft, An unlikely to wake the sleeper up.
put a few pins were you took the zipper out, to keep things together so they don’t get too chaotic.
If you’re putting the zipper back in, this is a good time to put it in place, but it’ll be way too long. That’s OK.
Just start with the bottom of the zipper, and when you get to the top, cut it off a couple of inches too long, and then take a pair of pliers and pull the extra teeth out of the way, fold it over, and sew it down.
But if you’re not doing that, just a basic seam of the front, will keep it together. Both sides.
then you basically take a sewing machine, or find a friend who’s familiar with one, and just run a seam all the way around, from zipper to zipper, on the line that you drew. then cut just below that line, including sleeves, if you don’t want sleeves. So you essentially it up with a hood attached to shoulders, and a little yoke.
put your hood set up back on again, and Assuming you decided against sleeves, have your friend mark the place where your armpits will be, On both the front and the back. You’ll put a piece of elastic there, and just zigzag stitch that down. It only takes a moment. do you want the elastic to be at least maybe a centimetre or half an inch wide, so it’s not digging into your flesh, and you want it fairly loose. It’s just a hold the hood in place, but let you comfortably turn over in the bag without losing your hood.
If you decide that you’d like to have Velcro closure, put a couple of pieces, maybe 3 inches long on your yolk at the top, and just under the chin, so you can Velcro, your sleeping bag, hood closed, comfortably. Sew that down with a straight stitch on your sewing machine.
That’s a great way to fall asleep comfortably, it’ll keep you from putting your head in the bag at night, and you’ll be warm all night long, and if you roll over on the hot water bottle, it won’t wake you up like a Nalgene bottle will.
I hope I didn’t overwhelm you with so many ideas, but if I did, ignore most of it, and just pick your favourite tip, If indeed, any of them appeal to you at all, and run with it.
When you see how that one works for you, maybe pick the next one and try it.
There should be no need for suffering while you’re camping in the winter, my friend. Especially if you own a cot.
I hope to see lots more videos from you, as you get things going the way you want.
Well said 👏 ❤
@@daphneraven6745The level of stroking going on here. Jeeeze... Write a book.
@@daphneraven6745 very well written intelligent comment good sir. Good information in there. I have used many of the suggestions you mentioned winter camping in both Northern Michigan, and Fairbanks Alaska.
Hot-tenting with a wood-burning stove was never meant for you to keep the wood-burning stove going while you sleep. It gives you a place that you can boil water or cook food inside if weather is really bad outside and gives you a way and a place to be able to warm up out of the weather. Take adequate gear with you so that you can cold- sleep. You’re not meant to try to keep that little stove going all night. That was never its intended purpose. Your sleep system and base layers should be what provides 100% of your warmth so that you can sleep.
If you pack the firebox very full, even with small pieces, and restrict the air-flow, you can keep it going for quite a while. No, you can't keep a roaring fire in there for hours on end. You have to balance heat output to keep the tent comfortable for sleeping - UNDER BLANKETS or IN A SLEEPING BAG, not at a toasty 25 C.
That’s fair. Some people have mentioned using charcoal as well. I think I should have sprung for a larger stove. Also yeah I need a - degree sleeping bag
@@Austin_SaintOngeI think charcoal may last longer but would probably be to hot for this system I think if ya have to much it would burn out the stove
@@trailman20 ah ok gotcha.
Pack a bag of coal.
@@geezerguy6410 - Or just pack a pick & shovel and dig a coal mine when you get there.
The same rule applies for any fire: when you thinking you've processed enough for the night, process more! It takes five seconds to put wood in fire. That's IF you have it processed already...
I had enough for two nights worth, it’s just this little tin can isn’t big enough 😂 had to reload it every 30-45 minutes. It’s also because it leaks slightly where the glass meets the stainless so it’s hard to control the airflow
@@Austin_SaintOngethat right there has a lot to do with it. The airflow is everything. I used to have this same stove an would take my 7 yr old son winter camping all the time. I'd set an alarm for every 2 hrs an take less than 2 mins to fill it up we never once got cold. Every 30 to 40 mins is crazy lol
@rebelboy69 yeah I guess I haven’t quite done fine tunes the airflow yet. Thanks!
Also really depends on what wood he’s burning cause I could fill that thing corner to corner with oak and it would last long enough to roll over and drop a handful more in.
It's to bad most people don't really know how to camp in a tent if you really want to stay out in the freezing temperatures. The proper way to camp like that is to build or own a military pole tent. They can use a wood stove that will burn all night. They are large enough for a big family with areas for sleeping, cooking, and gaming areas. You might look into one. My family spent many years during deer season staying sometimes as long as 4 weeks.
Who goes camping expecting to sleep through the night 😅
Wishful thinking I guess🤪
There's my people 🤘found ya 😉😴
I sleep better camping than I do at home 😅
I usually do too, even if it’s less total hours, getting away from everything and fresh oxygen is clutch
I sleep like a baby in the woods. I'm an insomniac at home.
>Buys a cheap setup off amazon
>complains about how bad it is
>says the entire idea sucks because of this
Lol
Cheap? It’s $600 he definitely overpaid for that garbage. There’s much better options out there.
@@sethgaston8347And you got that information where, exactly?
@@griffinmckenzie7203
He says it in the video
@@sethgaston8347 Yeah, you're right. Not sure why you expected me to remember a short from a month ago, but you do got me there.
@@sethgaston8347 $600 is expensive, but this looks heavily overpriced. Seems like it's looks over functionality.
$600? 🤣
Sounds like a business opportunity.
lol yup someone had a bright idea, not me! 😂
It's usually made of titanium. Unless it's some copy
@@trefaa I've Googled tent stoves, and aside from the cheap Chinesium ones, the vast majority come in at the £250 - 350 ($300 - 400) price range.
All made from Stainless steel with several having cast iron parts.
The best looking one, (with fantastic Trustpilot reviews) was the Outbacker Firebox, which was well within the aforementioned price range.
Titanium will be lighter (though who's backpacking with a stove?) and it will take on a beautiful colouration, but I'd go with the $300 Stainless steel one.
@@Austin_SaintOngewait till the glass breaks and your life depends on the heat, or worse: whether the fire pops out and burns the tent down while you sleep or carbon monoxide
I missed that $600 for a metal box without the electronics 😆 oh and tent still 500$ too much
I always wake up freezing in the morning. That's why I stay in my bag, reach over and stoke the fire before I climb out.
Question, and let me start off by saying I know nothing about this, but could you use something like coal instead? Doesn't it burn longer / hotter so you could restrict air a little more or something and get the same heat output.
I took a wood stove and put in burners from an old grill. Runs over 2 days on a 20lb propane tank.
Ooo that’s a cool idea 💡
Gas burners?
@Dean-O-Holics that would be pretty cool 😎
Sounds expensive and it’s tough to find propane tanks laying around the forest every 2 days.
@sirsmokealot96 also forgot to mention this entire setup lives in the back of my Land Cruiser. Not a backpacker just wanted to try out hot tent camping since I’ve seen it all over UA-cam. But yeah, firewood is obviously much more abundant in the woods 😃
I use an army surplus oil burning stove in my bell tent because of this exact issue. The stove is called an SHS (Space heater Small) and it was made by two different companies, Hunter and ITR. Mine's an ITR but I don't think there's much of a difference. I modified it to accept a 5 gallon steel Jerry can that I strap to a tripod (gravity feed) and I can run the stove for 28-36 hours straight.
Problem is that these stoves are pretty hard to find and recently they've gotten extremely expensive. Because of that I completely bathe my stove in oil for storage. I paid $400 but now I see them for like $900. That's not including the external fuel tank modification which can easily be another $200+ plus the Jerry can breather tube/fuel cap-thing and tripod are also hard to find.
But yeah I got lucky because I have the most reliable hot tent set up on earth with this thing haha. The stove makes this ethereal, gentle, deep, "whooshing" sound, like wind in slow motion or something. And it has a 1 inch glass view port that's a perfect night light.
I really should make a video about this thing because it's such a unique and robust tent heating system
Haha "gangsters paradise" in the background... Stoked the stove once or twice , sleeping in this land of ice .
lol nice! I love that slowed remix 😄
@@Austin_SaintOnge took me a second.. 🤔 I know this one
More like Amish Paradis.
@vintagethrifter2114 pretty much 🤣
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Man I just learned more about keeping warm out in the elements by reading the comments here. Than I have in all my 52 years on this rock. Kudos to you for having the guts to come on here asking for help. ✌️
lol I’ve learned quite a bit too, that’s the nice thing about UA-cam! Never claimed to be a master outdoorsman but I’m glad that people have offered so much helpful recommendations
Was gonna say not all tent stoves are equal some are great for certain things while being not so good for others. Just need to get the type that best suits your needs
@@Austin_SaintOngeI do t have to worry about snow here in Australia, but I know for sure if you have a stretcher or non insulated air mattress, they’re good for comfort but difficult to stay warm because they have air passing underneath.
So you either layer it, with an insulating blanket below your sleeping bag (+ insulators retain whatever heat is there, go to bed cold, wake up cold, go to bed warm, you’ll likely stay warm in a decent sleeping bag) another handy one is a ground mat that is reflective pointing up to refelect heat back in your tent.
Another good tip is take off a layer of clothing before bed (keep them in your bag or someplace they’ll remain warm so you have a warm layer to add on when you wake up).
You gotta choke it so it burns slower. Also put rocks around it so it can give off long lasting radiant heat.
Yeah the flute rod wasn’t function properly and couldn’t get it to stay closed. Now that it’s fixed should be able to burn longer
Outdoor boys disagrees
Pro tip you do what's is known as a hot load. You get a cooking thermometer load that bad boy up with wood chips/ small pieces all over the bottom and then split a hard wood such a sap wood and split pieces about as wide as a finger but almost as long as the stove. Load that bad boy up and see what the top temp is and how long it stays at top temp. That's how long you can sleep comfortably.
So if top temp of thermometer is 190 I can sleep 190 minutes?
@GrapheneOxideIsInCVVax you gotta keep reading. You skipped the "HOW LONG IT STAYS AT TOP TEMP"
@@GrapheneOxideIsInCVVax☝️
@@GrapheneOxideIsInCVVax I want you to test that and let me know. Thats what I do.
If you're in conditions that cold you have to insulate you tent to make a difference. It will resemble a dwelling at that point, but that's the idea. Use what's available. Pine boughs work well. Stick bundles also work. Doesn't have to be sealed perfect, just enough to hold that slightly warmer air near the surface of the tent. Then the walls and ceiling won't be too cold. Works very well when there is little to no wind. Good luck and stay safe!
You’re right I definitely didn’t do a good job of sealing the tent. It’s hard to get the zippers to seal up propers if you don’t have your pegs lined up perfect. Thanks!
I built an off grid 12x12 cabin out of pallet wood and salvaged lumber and I use a a portable wood stove in that. It’s well insulated and that little stove cranks in there. When I do sleep out there I wake up around 2-3 times to feed it but that’s part of using wood for heat.
That’s pretty cool! When I buy my property I’ve considered making a cabin out of pallets as I can get them from work for frew
Sweep the flue.
Don’t have one yet so please correct if wrong as I am looking into to them.
1) Me as a novice will only get 1-2 hours burn time in a lightweight stove, but skill can extend it to 3-4 hours?
2) You don’t have to use an ultralight stove (thin metal and not sealed) if truck camping. A 30-50lb sealed stove can keep warm all night.
3) If truck camping there’s no reason you can’t use a diesel heater if you don’t enjoy wood fire (which includes prepping fuel)
You’re right on all accounts! I’m going to be using a diesel heater
It might be a good idea to insulate the outside of the tent with maybe some wood brush and snow so that it will hold the heat in
That’s also a great point. I forgot to kick snow up against the base to seal it properly. Thank you!
If you let the ash build up and don't clean out the ash pan you can keep a bed of coals for hours, trust me I know. So it's up to preferences in whether you want a quick hot fire or a everlasting bed of coals. So to be honest they work awesome if you know how to use them.
Interesting, I guess the sayings true, ‘the candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long’🤪
Leave ashes in too long or too deep and you will melt your firebed.
Save ashes through the day and cover your logs with Ash to restrict airflow.
Ash/coals in the tent WITHOUT the stove.. without ventilation can be deadly- btw. Important information ℹ️ for the world.
Carbon monoxide
@308253427 yes! I woke up one morning and the exhaust had clogged and filled the tent with smoke. Lucky to be alive
We used hot stoves in the army in alaska. Some key differences: we used large 13 man tents, so we rotated 1 hour fire guard shifts to watch the stove all night, and we fueled the stoves with diesel so they ran days with out refill. The people talking about this idea don’t seem to comment with much authority, howerve having used similar system for years, I think this videographer nailed the downsides precisely, oh and the weight.
Hey thanks for understanding the point I was trying to make. Not claiming to be a burly outdoorsman. Just sharing my experience as a novice
Videographer. Great word.
diesel?
If your tent doesn’t have a floor and there’s nothing to catch fire. Can your stove just sit directly on the ground? Why do you need to put it on its legs? Wouldn’t there be better ground heat transfer that way?
Lived in a drafty 6'x14' cabin in Alaska for a year. It would cool off rapidly, but the key is having a good sleaping bag so you dont wake up cold. And having used motor oil to get the fire going again fast in the morning. Just a little bit on the charcoal. Works every time.
Funny you should mention I actually did use some motor oil (new) to get it going again 🤣 that’s pretty cool you roughed it in Alaska
@@Austin_SaintOnge soak some egg cartons or newspaper in vegetable oil.
Excellent fire starter.
Also, wide cap water bottles like nalgene in a sock and a fleece liner for the bag are excellent. You can dry the liner outside or in the evening, hanging from the ceiling of the tent
@@campandcook3118 nice idea with the vegetable oil. Yeah I’ve been looking into those hot water bottles, pretty cool!
Used vegetable oil or old candle stubs does the trick also.
And they aren't stinking as much!
That’s true, last thing I want is to be breathing in some burnt plastic or other material 😂
Turn the air intake way down and have a slow fire through the night. That all depends on the stove though of course and would have been the first thing you tried, but just incase haha
I tried limiting airflow to the smallest opening, I think it’s leaking through where the glass contacts the stainless
That's not a problem, you just have to know what you are doing. I've been using a hot tent for 70 years and still do and I enjoy it.
You can buy a larger stove which has some cons but I use mine for overland camping so I don’t hike too far. I’ve been hot tent camping for over a decade now and you can definitely maintain the fire for long periods of time with a quality stove.
I agree. I’m not gonna lie I bought this one because it looked the coolest 🤪 it’s definitely too small
@@Austin_SaintOnge I use a Bereg tent and stove check them out.
@@foreverpaulways1670 certainly will !
I have this same exact tent an stove an never once have I had to wake up an stoke the fire. The type of wood your burning plays a huge part in it. I use nothing but white an red oak at night time an its never let me down.
I’ve slept for weeks in 10 degree down to -6 in Kentucky, good sleep system you won’t need to stoke it, get a insulation liner if you’re going to be sleeping in temps below zero. These stoves are made for quick and easy setup to serve as short term heating options. In a pinch they can be used for longer term if needed.
The problem is a your sleep system, not the stove.
You’re correct. Seems like a buddy heater is alot simpler of a setup
Or a PROPER SLEEP SYSTEM. You know, sleeping mat and down sleeping bag appropriate for the conditions...
@Spushed yup you’re right
@@Austin_SaintOngebuy once cry once. Nemo sells really good gear. An insulated tensor pad and one of their -10 sleeping bags would probably suit you quite well. Gonna cost ya 800$..ish. but solid gear nonetheless.
@youngboyharless9769 good to know! I’ll check them out
Being honest, I have 0 experience in this. So I apologise if this is a really dumb question, but could you take a small amount of coals with you? Just enough to burn through the night? I mean obv if you're taking hot tents & stoves you aren't backpacking, so it's not like you're going to be hiking about having to carry it?
Yeah that’s been the most abundant suggestion, I’ll have to try next time!
Unless you are in truly arctic conditions then you shouldn't need to keep the fire going all night. Cold is fine for sleep given the right sleeping bag.
Most people would have figured this out before they hiked out into the woods.
I just took my Land Cruiser out with it. Not ambitious enough to hike with all that 🤣
@@Austin_SaintOngeand you think you are mountain man?
@blood.of.fenrir5575 Did I say that I was?
Lol
@@Austin_SaintOngeIt would seem that what is unrealistic is your expectations and credibility. Not the hot tent camping stove.
If your camping at -20, you need an insulated ice fishing tent.
Or at least a thicker canvas to retain the heat.
or a good sleeping bag system
mine goes down to -60c if I use EVERY single part of it
Any decent "four season" tent will work. And the rain-fly isn't just for rain... It gives you a second wall creating an insulated gap.
I'm old fashioned and think a stove in your tent is just asking for something really bad to happen. Exceptions for some serious mountaineering and some big base-camps... But in general, just no.
@@travcollier yeah im also not a big fan of tent fires lol
Sleeping bag and tent works just fine!
I had a pop nice 8 man pop up shanty, I loved it, id get up before the sun and be on the ice right before sunrise. I had a Coleman propane lantern I used for light an heat and at 0°F I could take off my snowsuit an sit an fish comfortably with a sweater an jeans, Ih had a thin coating of some kinda insulating rubber on the inside. It was Eskimo brand and the color red. Eventually I got tired of dragging all that stuff around by myself cause no one wants to go ice fishing cause they think they would be cold the entire time, so after a few years ice fishing I gave it up, plus I live in Ohio and their are entire winters where we wouldn't get enough ice to fish.
Tipi with an 18 inch deep fire pit is the only way to winter camp. The trick is to have air vents piped from the pit to the outside. The coal base can last a couple days especially if you line the pit with lava rock. Outside temp below zero. Inside temp 70 to 80 degrees F. Keep plenty of hard wood stacked inside to last a few days!
Try a dual chambered rocket stove, button it up to barely consume the firewood sticks, it’ll auto, gravity feed , just make sure you have fresh air feeding it
Important part: Do I have to go outside the tent to start a fire and stay warm? A sheltered fire next to the cot is more than I could ask for.
I know while in the army our “hot tent” (I was stationed at Fort wainwright in Fairbanks Alaska) had a JP8 diesel fuel heater. The carburetor leaked fuel constantly and when I woke up during my fire guard shift I had everyone evacuate the tent because there was a pile of diesel on the ground surrounding our stove! lol it’s crazy. We went from arctic survival to being deployed to Afghanistan… made no sense but I would not trade it for anything
Good thing diesel is combustible not flammable
@@djnone8137 that is true.
Would using a different fuel supply like coal/charcoal make the fire last the whole night till morning?
Yeah that’s what others have suggested. Probably the easiest solution
That’s why you bring a sleeping bag 😢
True, I shoulda brought one, but I’m thinking a simple buddy heater would be better
@@Austin_SaintOngeA good sleepingbag works for many years of youtube use and some have a comfort temp of -40F. That should do for most of your tent days.
@@MrKveite1 i definitely need to invest in a good sleeping bag
Stove for day, buddy heater at night, sounds like a decent plan, I lived in my van for a while, the buddy heater kept me warm enough that I could be butt naked in winter in Montana. 😅👍
I have 2 size buddy heaters for camping, and have loved them. Tent, small cabin, or overland vehicle camping works out great, when paired with a proper rated sleeping bag
Here’s another huge problem; people not realizing that there are hard woods and there are soft woods. A forearm sized piece of seasoned red oak will burn for 5-6 hours if you have a bed of coal and your damper is set correctly.
Some places don’t have hardwood. A lot of colder places do not have hardwood.
Sir, your hot tent stove is way too small !
I agree, it’s like a backpackers size. Need a bigger one
That’s what I thought. The stove pipe had the diameter of a soup can.
One a larger one is a fire and gas hazard.
Two it has to be portered to the camp.
Buy anthracite coal. Good to go for the night. Its not necessarily the stoves issue its also your inability to adapt.
Just want to add that most people that have lived in tents wintertime have not had a fire going at night unless someone stayed up and guarded the fire. Carbon monoxide is a silent killer and burning bedding is no fun either. But if you have a stone hearth the stnes store heat.
You could try to mod the tent with something like Mylar that will hold the heat inside the tent longer. Duct tape some space blankets together to make a tarp you can put over the tent. Or use some of those cheap tarps that are green on one side, Mylar on the other, and cover the tent with them.
Great idea!
Sounds like condensation city in winter. Lol I would not do that. Part of the appeal of canvas is that it breathes. Imagine how humid it'd be wrapped in mylar. Lol
@@zakkw788 Yeah. I was just brainstorming ideas. Actually, I don’t think it would get too humid inside. There’s still a wood stove in there. I was thinking of the Mylar only on top of the tent like a cap to hold in the heat. Leave the sides of the tent as is, for ventilation.
@Dan.Solo.Chicago the mylar works. No it doesn't get to humid. I was in a hot tent for two months in minus 20 celcius. Was just fine.
I was thinking using coal
Thanks for your insight and honesty.
I was thinking of buying one of these, but now I will look into buying a bigger one
That’s the best takeaway I was trying to convey!
Do pellets last longer?
I grew up winter camping, and that's just the way she goes. The stove used here is a little small compared to what often gets used, but yeah, historically you just dealt with it and got up several times a night. Some folks who spent lots of time in these things have claimed to be able to re-stoke the fire in their sleep. Better than sleeping outside, at least!
When your stove dies out it just turns from a hot tent to a tent
We shouldnt rely on the stove for over night warmth ideally you want the heating off when you sleep and let your sleeping bag do the work, the stove is ideal for being sociable and sitting around in the evenings
lol 😂 that seems to be the consensus, I was dumb and only brought a cot with a down comforter. I’ll bring a - degree sleeping bag next time! Thanks
@@Austin_SaintOnge we live and learn!
I'm sure people will dis agree with that but I don't like the thought of a fire or gas heater running while we are sleeping!
@georgedawson235 for sure, the exhaust did clog up a few times forcing smoke past the glass seals and made the tent super smoky. I think a simple buddy heater is a good cheap solution, but also will come with its issues
There are heated battery-powered vests on the market that you can sleep in to boost heat when camping. That in conjunction with a stove may work out all night. Think in terms of a target: stove, sleep system for insulation, and battery-powered vest for heat. The vest plus a good sleep system should last through the night.
There are much better, smaller, lighter, and less demanding methods to keep warm available at your mountaineering shop.
A tip I’ve seen is, depending on where you’re setting up, gather some good sized rocks and place them on/around your stove. Let them heat up really well a few hours before you turn in for the night. Stoke up the stove and the stones should radiate heat most of the night like a heat sink.
Got a basically 18" cubed stove in my van, 8 hours of heat easy when she's crammed. The husky would rather I let it go out haha I crack the door for him
In the early 1990s, I did winter camping by -35ºC in a green military cotton tent with a cast iron stove. We were a team on snowshoes, carrying things on toboggans. It was very demanding. We had cans of fruit salad but then were frozen solid, we had to leave them on the stove for a while before eating.
I'm a complete novice but would adding old bricks and some stones into the stove help to keep the tent warm longer?
Maybe on top of it? Space inside is already limited but I like the idea
You have an SUV, bring some charcoal for nighttime. It will burn for well over 8 hours.
When you spend 20 years sleeping in the field, you learn a few cheats.
Charcoal burning also produces massive quantities of toxic carbon monoxide. Not exactly something you wanna be sleeping in a tent with
@@Swissmister93 Wood, coal, charcoal, diesel, and propane are all burned in houses and camp tents. You use a stove with a chimney. You don't just build a fire on the ground in a tent. Notice the guy doing it knew exactly what I was talking about. Sleep in tents for twenty years, and you'll figure out lots of things.
Get Joe Bidumb Solar Nighttime Furnace and make an ice cream cone.😮
Its not really camping if you bring your own firewood (or coal in this case) with a car to your tent.
Ive heated a tent with a candle lantern. It was -30ish. Also cooked in vestibule that warmed it way up. Was a north face 4 season tent. Circa 2000.
Stoke it every other time you get up to pee.
This hot stove is super small and it was literally going out within 30 minutes of not adding another log
@@Austin_SaintOnge turn the draft down so it’s not burning wide open, and bring a weather rated sleeping bag. Doing this burns the wood slower and makes it last longer.
I’ve slept under tarp shelters with a long fire on a ground pad with nothing but a blanket. It takes work, waking up only once every couple hours to add wood and stoke the fire.
Couple weeks ago I slept outside without a tarp mid winter and had a fire going all night without an issue.. it’s a preparation and skill issue you’re complaining about
@@norco4life518 well said! Thanks for the valuable info
If the stove won't accept decent size firewood then you bought the wrong stove.
@carzepp yup I agree! Shouldn’t read the dimensions closer on amazon 🤪
If you put a green piece before going to sleep I have heard it will burn slower.
Without power/gas or liquid fuel, wood or coal were the main, cheap, easily usable fuels for heating. I've sat through my part of heating a home with both coal and wood stoves and they take constant maintenance to keep an even fire. Back in the mid-80's I've also sat through using a kerosene heater and they usually needed to be fueled every 3 hours or so. Also emitted a LOT of co2, so you needed to keep the ventilation so people didn't suffocate.
So, you may be bone tired tending that stove in the hot tent, but you'd be warm and cozy. Which I would say, either set a timer on your phone or use some kind of 2-3 hour timer to wake yourself up if you're daft enough to be out in cold harsh conditions by yourself.
I agree completely. I made one myself of a similar size from furnace ducting. Pretty simple job and inexpensive. Sixty bucks vs 600.
But the problem is the same. Not enough capacity for more than 30 to 45 mins of burn time. Then you need to restoke, hopefully before it burns out completely and it still takes 5 to 10 mins to get burning again. So absolutely no way to sleep, unless you have two people and one stays awake.
The other thing I didn't like was the temperature. On a full burn it got so warm you had to open the tent otherwise you were too hot. Then as it burns down you need to do the reverse. I finally gave up and let it burn out and slept in the cold.
Sure a bigger stove would help, but remember, this is camping. You gotta carry this stuff in. So that only works if you have a sled or some mechanical means of gettting there. A better idea might be some kind of fuel based heater, just enough to keep things above freezing. More consistent temp also.
Yeah I’m using a diesel heater now
As inconvenient as a small stove is, I'd rather wake up cold and then stoke a fire to warm up and eat a warm meal which will then allow me to collect more fuel and food. If you're living out doors in a tent you have to expect discomfort and inconvenience. The idea is to stay alive.
Well said!
Tending the fire at night is a strange thing. Some hate doing alone, others don't mind.
My dad didn't have a heater in his house, but he had a big fireplace and occasionally on really cold nights, I would just make a little bed on the floor and keep the fire going while taking naps in-between. It was cozy.
What fire stokes and feeds it's self all night inside of a tent?
Have you tried throttling the intake to get it to burn slower? Probably still not enough to get a stove that small through the night but just a thought.
Yeah that helped for sure, need to use a slower burning wood though and bigger stove
You can modify your chimney flue, and not using soft woods will help you in the endeavor of keeping a fire lit longer. in fact, you can use hardwood pellets and fill it 75% of the way and it will burn slowly for a long time. oak, walnut, hickory, apple, or cherry woods will burn longer than soft woods because they are hard and dense. also, use a bigger stove. the fire WILL burn out near dawn, but if you stoke a big stove with enough hardwood when you go to sleep and eat something fatty, you won't tell / give a shit. processing fat in your sleep keeps your body warm even in the conditions of the north pole, it's what the inuit do.
Definitely worth using slow burning wood. I did a camp in -20c i had similar problems. I now take a block of synthetic peat it burns slowly and keeps the tent above 0c. Also it’s worth getting an insulated flu and an insulated tent if you’re planning on camping in sub zero temperature.
So I have come up with the solution for that and it may or may not work for you, but I use those timed quick burn woods and they have been proven to atleast last about 3-4 hours so I mix it in with the rest of the woods I already precut so I don’t have to be cutting wood when I’m about to go to sleep, Also I don’t use the quick burn woods till I’m ready to sleep so I set a timer to when I should wake up since it burns for 3-4 hours I can set my timer to wake me up to load regular wood which had been precut so I can go back to sleep yes morning will be cold in negative temperatures but the point is be able to sleep/stay warm so you can survive the nextday.
Its not made to last all night, but heating big rocks helps, bigger stoves help, closing the flu helps the wood burn slower, lots of available options to help but not completely solve the issues
First of all, people who think it's unrealistic never had to use a fireplace to warm their house. I did that and I can say that there are methods that make your wood last longer, like letting only minimal amount of air to go in, that way your wood will burn slower.
Ngl the thumbnail made it look like you made a fire in a prison toilet you took camping
I have lived in a yurt for 2 years in Alaska, and heat with wood. When it’s -40 or colder, I get up every 90 minutes to keep the fire blazing hot. It’s a small price to pay for living off grid and not having a mortgage.
*I also use a canvas wall tent for long term hunting basecamps and for guest that visit my property. The stove I have is a Colorado Cylinder stove which is made out of heavy duty steel which retains heat much longer than a lightweight stove like you have. If you are unwilling or unable to get up throughout the night to restock your fire, one thing you can do is take an empty Gatorade bottle and fill it with hot water and put it in your sleeping bag. The more you add, the warmer you’ll stay.
Great advice! Thanks!
Put the largest container available on the stove, cook safe of course, and fill it with water…..it’ll help store the heat. Rocks also work a bit.
Traditionally, the heavy cast iron of stoves stored heat over night. Before that the heavy stone of a hearth and fireplace. Thin stainless sheet metal just doesn’t compare
The hot stove is not the issue, the issue is that you're using a cot, Are you even using a -20° sleepingbag? That tent doesnt look to keep your warm throughout the night. But you could just have sissy skin 😂
I agree with the thumbnail to a degree. I have a great 12x16 wall tent with a wood stove that i can sleep in comfortably during extremely cold temperatures. My hot tent and titanium stove is for backpacking/snowshoeing into remote areas. My gear for this setup is entirely different. Yes i do need to the fire going every couple of hours but i have shelter from the wind and elements. The two setups aren't supposed to be the same comfort wise.
$600? Damn, I had no idea they were so expensive. I made my own out of some stainless sheet metal we had around the shop and bought some cheap pipe at Home Depot for the chimney. I recommend keeping a couple of pieces of dried hardwood in your stove. Properly dried hardwood burns hotter and longer, it is well worth the extra few pounds of weight. If you burn fresh cut while you're awake then throw a piece of the dried hardwood in before you go to sleep it will give you a good 6 hours of heat depending on the size/type.
I'm not outdoorsy, but why not add mylar to the inside of your tent? I'm sure a mylar layer would make it too hot while using a cooking fire, but a small fire to keep warm at night mylar seems ideal.
If I'm wrong I'd genuinely appreciate an explanation.
Keep a wool blanket nearby, it's warm and won't burn, so it will both smother, and put out an accidental fire and add a fireproof layer over your bag.
I use truck diesel heaters a.k.a. Chinese diesel heaters. It works great and in a pinch can heat your entire house.
A lot of people don’t like the smell, but if your heater is tuned correctly once it’s hot it puts out minimal odor
Stack it up and fill it before bed. Let it burn to coals, then load it up again making sure the logs smoulder but don't ignite. You do this by adjusting the airflow to ensure it has enough oxygen to burn, but not enough to produce visible flame.
Besides, in that weather, hot tent or not, you should have a quality insulated sleep system. Preferably a cocoon style or with a hood. Then you can easily reach out to ignite your heater and wait inside your sleeping bag for it to warm up.
at least you can stoke it while you are inside. a real campfire you would also have to stoke and thats outside in the cold so this is way better than freezing your nuts off. or you just prep your wood by soaking it in resin so it will last way longer and put those in right before bed. or look at putting an insulating layer over your tent like those tin foil things. should also help keep the heat in
Depending on the temperature, pair you stove up with a 3 or 4 season bag that way when the burner dies you’ll be snug all night, failing that learn to use the damper and air intake the slow down the burn time, I’ve got a Gstove if I fill it with 3 or 4inch logs before bed shut off the air intake and close the damper I’ll get a good 4 hour sleep before re fueling👍
it's not the stove that's unrealistic, it's the entire setup. Small tent camping/backpacking enough gear to stay in a climate like this limits your stove size, which limits log size, etc which is where the core problem is. This is why larger tents are necessary which allow you to make a bigger and longer lasting fire and requiring you ventilate much differently as well. Can you get away with it in different ways? Yes, but not with a small form factor fire.
Valid, but that’s been the case throughout history. The stove is a step above a fire pit, and step bellow central heating. It’s the best option for sleeping outside. Or you can do a jet stove setup with a metal pipe that feed heated air.
You can also try adding heat beads with your wood
Use hardwood that burns longer, and add some coals like heat beads at the bottom which will gradually burn all night, providing more heat over a longer time
Even the heat provided by a couple of these things will keep you warm a very long time in an enclosed space like a tent
Yeah whatever wood it was it burnt really fast! Need to fine tune the intake and exhaust as well to slow the burn down
@Austin_SaintOnge hadn't thought about the chimney at all, that's a pretty good point
Personally I camp in a tarp, and I dig a shallow hole, fill it with hot coals and stick a bucket over the top, works well enough
A small canvas tent gets pretty warm with just a propane lantern. Turning it way down so it’s not too bright still keeps it comfortably warm. Also, put a hot water bottle in your sleeping bag.
How many hours can you get out of a stuffed full and shut down stove! We've always just banked down with biggest wood we could fit wit as much small around it! Good stove would last all night. Some that leaked air or didn't seal well lasted at least 4hrs.
You could try filling a big pot with snow and then bring that to a boil. Before you go to sleep you fill up the stove, put it on minimal oxygen and put a lid on the pot. Would be cool if you could try that in another video to see how much of a difference in warmth over time that makes.
I had 10 x 12 Davis wall tent. Had a 2.5 cubic foot stove. Would produce heat for 4 plus hours so have to wake one time. Big deal. That happens when heating a house with wood. If you wake to reload, the house will be alot warmer than if you let it burn for 8 hours without refilling