UA-cam is a blessing. Imagine me just a regular guy being able to listen to interviews and seminars from the greatest minds on the planet. Although near term life may be a little rough long term these opportunities are going to fertilize many a creative mind. The human being is really a powerful creature. We are like the tide we come in and we go out but you can't stop us. I've really come to believe that human progress in total can not be stopped only delayed. We're on the cusp of greatness.
But as Bohm said..will we be too late ?! .. I’m my opinion, it appears that we are already too late..the damage is done & we are still contributing towards it, rather than attempting to change our ways, in order to fix the mess that we’ve made..long story short..humanity are f#cking doomed !
I love David Bohm, He is deeply, pensively intelligent. His work will be much appreciated many, many generations from now. A ground breaking thinker, a wonderful human being.
One of the greatest interviews I've ever seen. David Bohm is a true genius. I'm a big fan of anyone who can blend science and philosophy together into one combined field of thought.
A very impressive find, Phil. I remember enjoying reading David Bohm's dialogues with Krishnamurti. But Krishnamurti kind of dominated those discussions. It is enlightening to hear Bohm speaking by himself here. He had some very penetrating ideas. This is definitely worth listening to more than once.
Its definitely hard to understand, and I'll be watching it again I'm sure. I had seen a brief clip of this in another video before, but it was nice to find the whole thing. Jiddu Krishnamurti is good too, there are quite a few of his talks on UA-cam.
Phil Harris "the world needs to stop being so polarized to either side" While I think that would greatly improve the discussions we can and ought to have, I have my doubts as to which extent that would be fruitful. First I should ask what you mean by "either side". "This side" is supposedly science, so what is the other side, and how will that improve the practice and quality of science?
I love David Bohm. This guy changed my life. He crystallized very logically and coherently notions that I was totally lost with. Thank you, David Bohm. Why more people don't know about him is beyond me. It doesn't matter really. He's rock solid.
What a brilliant mind, and how far ahead of the curve he was then. A wholistic approach to everything is the key, and allows us to a the "top to tale" intelligent view of everything.
Tell it. Some of the most wonderful conversations that those two DB and Jiddu k made me realise that I can enjoy listening. I listened to many hours of those sometime among other with patience until I became ob with them. Real special.
Great interview! DB was such a masterclass! One of the few scientists who had the courage to amalgamate science and spirituality. His talks with JK are something everyone must listen to I feel. I was more of a science person who got interested in JK. After listening to DB, and learning about quantum physics, I realized how spirituality and science are part of the whole.
A true scientist. An open mind not trying to just defend his position and extremely knowledgeable in more than one subject or field ie: physics and psychology (human behavior). We truly need more leaders like David. I sincerely hope he has a few followers not only in his knowledge but in his approach. A true Gentleman in the purist sense of the word. It's a pleasure.
jeff lichtman while not so much of an innovator as bohm, is undeniably extremely intelligent and always points out that his work/results could only of been possible from collaboration, and that in the presentations he gives he's just the cheerleader for collaborative works - never takes the credit himself/by himself - is extremely down to earth.
Why don't you be the exception? Why do we look out for people, create a model, be it of a Christ or Bohm and pursue it, instead of 'becoming' one, and becoming is not confirmation to a pattern.
i dont know what it is but ever since i was a child i have had intuitive thoughts that i am now beginning to make sense of with the help of physicists and other people with the unified field view. there is something remarkably wholesome about the thoughts men like him have and they feel right inside. thank you for uploading this video and helping us out
So far ahead of science and so early on. Science should hang their boots up and heads in shame and homage to this emphatically gifted one of a kind dude. Science still seems to deny what is, and still tries to establish truth through what is not. Saintly Bohm.
His interpretation of quantum mechanics however, and his boldness in his theories of wholeness and collective consciousness (information) to explain non-locality as well as other attributes of quantum mechanics represent some of the most innovative and creative thinking around quantum theory. He is most certainly one of the greatest minds of the 20th century and will be looked at in more esteem as generations pass and physicists come to better recognize his brilliance.
Highly interesting individual. His sheepish and simpering 'Mona Lisa grin' completely disarms the listener. You begin to understand that he is explaining complex theories with simple analogies.
I love this approach. I think it gives a more complete explanation of reality, which gives some room to the more "mysterious". The way i am interpreting this is that the motion of a given particle is a combination of it's classical mechanics descriptions coupled with it's pilot wave. This pilot wave if the more idealized definition of the particle, it's information or in Plato's terms itis it's FORM. I am picturing a ball player attempting to make a basket, and the ball's trajectory is a combination of the physical forces exerted on the ball along with the visualization of that trajectory that the player uses to shape his intent. The final outcome depends on the degree to which the thought and the action align. moreover, the more idealized the thought may influence a successful outcome on a less than ideal action, and similarly a poorly framed thought would degrade an otherwise sufficient action to failure. it's one explanation of those "being in the zone" times. I do recognize this crosses into more philosophical realms, but it nevertheless resonates for me. I'd love to hear other thoughts.
"Sahana vavathu, sahanou bhunakthu, sahaveeryam karavavahaii, Thejaswinavadheethamasthi. Ma vidwishawahaii. Om Shanthi, shanthi, shanthihi." (Let is sit together, eat together, achieve all manners of heroism together. Let us enlighten each other. Let us never be divided. Divine Peace verily from Brahman! Peace! Peace!) The Vedic Manthra with which a Guru accepts a Shishya into the Gurukula
I have been reading about pilot-wave theory for a few years and I feel it is much closer, if not exact to the actual laws of quantum physics. I have always felt that the Copenhagen interpretation was a lazy attempt of skipping over the laws because they didn't have the means of correctly measuring such things. Much like the watch-maker theory. Plus, it has the advantage of operating under similar, if the not exactly the same laws as the macro-world. Thank you for posting this interview. I often wonder if the waves that come off of particles are just a bending of space time on a microscopic level, and all of space time exists on multiple levels of "strength" that requires different amounts of energy to distort it. Maybe the particles are the "stars" of the microscopic world of space time.
UrbanOutlawsSk8Co your correct but it comes down to something more fundamental. Philosophy. Philosophy is the original subject, with division of labour became various other subjects. However the two differences in pilot wave and Copenhagen interpretation come from mainly this pilot wave is dialectical/classical materialist axioms; Copenhagen interpretation comes from idealistist axioms of the world. To see what I'm talking about look at the viewpoint of instrumentalism in science. Which basically says all scientific results are just the complex relationship of instruments and the mathematical formulas to explain these relationships which is only all we can do, implying reality is all in your head and there's no independent existence of it. Bohm makes reference to this throughout the interview I.e he's against it. And as was the viewpoint point of Bohr, influenced by idealism.
I've made a playlist made by a person called Paul cockshott who goes through the whole history of materialism vs idealism. ua-cam.com/play/PLu14TaKl1cotHVX6Eqi1161LCElA8hNXX.html Now u must understand this, in class society the exploiter class generally prefer the exploited class to have a idealist view point of the world. Hence why we see a lot of mysticism and superstition in capitalist Society but then people having a concrete dialectical materialist view of the world. This is one of the reason why quantum mechanics dominant interpretation has been corrupted in an ideal is fashion. the reason why they prefer that is because if people think the world is static and never changing then they won't try to change the existing order word dialectical materialism shows otherwise hence why has been brutally suppressed right since the ancient civilization and the beginning of class society I.e slave, slave master.
I agree. I think that whatever one's attitude to whatever, whether it is religion, politics, conflicts or just simple dispute, it boils down to, just, one's view-point. It is time that people reflected on this simple philosophy; it would make our society and the world a better place. Thanks.
This is an inciteful interview which supports the mystery schools metaphysical knowledge understanding of the Universe. These scientists who are ahead of the limited ideology of the matrix thinking, required courage and persistence in the awakening of Mankinds independence.
The more reading you do into the foundational enigmas in all the sciences (quantum, biological, cosmological), Bohm's interpretations/theories (especially in regards to Information/Potential Fields) reveal themselves as more and more incredible.
We believe we are observing instruments. But the observation and the thing observed are creations of the mind, for in reality a singular event is what takes place. And that event is a flexible interpretation.
world peace hahaha, oh you people completely miss the whole point of general semantics, instead of watching UA-cam videos try reading a book. How is absurd? How else are we supposed to speak about anything? I can keep going and asking questions to which end will only show you have no solution and thus your stament is naive and childish. The subject/object is just one way of abstracting reality, and it clearly has been a very fruitful way of looking at the world, but like all methods of abstraction it has it limits, and knowing those limits is essential. Nonetheless your response is not a rebuttal and does not adres the fact you have clearly contradicted yourself within your original statement, yet alone your meaningless response.
Meta Tron Try reading a book? Is that how you got to be so smart? Which book did you read? As for my statement, I am pointing out a contradiction in the way we go about learning. We misunderstood each other. It happens. Let's move on. Peace and love.
world peace well than the language you use to try an emulate when bohms talks physics leaves your stament quite short on information. What you seem to be trying to say is that the observer and the observed and merely part of one system and when we extend this analogy we find ourselves seeing that their is a wave function of the entire universe.
I think David Bohm is someone we all should just once try to really understand (what he said). He was a brave man to open himself - like this, against common viewpoints - in this current world. It is a real shame that he was ignored because of his communistic viewpoints in that time. I believe he is one of the few who saw the hidden non-local connections....
Excellent! Reduces the Western Technological reliance on the teleology of analysis (Bhaga Thyaga Nyaya) to its place. Along side the other equally important Vedic Teleologies of Arundhati Darshana Nyaya (Finding the star through jumping from finger post to finger post and so from the familiar to the unfamiliar) and Athma Darshana Nyaya (discovering the universal in the fractal within) from being the Prima Donna tail that wags the dog.
"It" is here and "it" is there... "It" is everywhere. Enjoy! There was nowhere to go... There was nothing to do... So together we descended To make our dreams come true!
Yes..One doesn't need eyes that see or ears that hear to be able to "know the truth".. Like you said, "it comes from within".. IMHO, One can simply feel it.. This is why many get defensive when you question their faith/beliefs, its because the truth in their heart is telling them something different than their ego/mind is telling them & they do not want to admit to themselves that they may be wrong..
Try this: imagine if more people on Earth new about David Boehm than Kim Kardashian. I think we could make an argument that evolution is more than a theory (now I am thinking "devolution" given the madness on the rise globally) and human species has a hopeful future. Long live David Boehm!
Masterful. Bohr’s approach emphasizes practical predictions, is intelligible as a theory, and avoids metaphysical speculation. Bohmian Mechanics is barely, if even, mentioned in many texts on Physics. Curious. Politically there is a hint of globalism - that inevitably would lead to totalitarinism (Hayak et al).
I think any trepidation in his speech comes from the difficulty in bringing this science into everyday language as he is able to do. Truly wise men seem to be able to do this but never the less it not easy. So often you find them speaking in short direct sentences leaving the listeners mind to fill in any blanks to his level of understanding. He is a professor you know.
Great. I thought the interviewer didn't really grasp Bohm's concepts and also that Bohm to some degree, especially when he discusses Physics, struggled to explain his own ideas which it seems could be explained quite simply (though in their technical form they are extremely complex). But still there is a clarity. Thank you for this upload - I am extremely grateful.
15:30 Sobre realismo Bohmiano acceso. 17:30 Sobre visión del mundo por el mundo (conformidad) y cambio por la ciencia. 19:00 Sobre los problemas actuales que no pueden ser resueltos por medio de un abordaje fragmentado (el usual) 23:30 El campo cuántico determina no por la intensidad sino por la forma (Alyse Hargraves plato changue and rest)
Dadid Bohm has been very close to Jiddu Krishnamurthy and hence one cant help but wonder if he is influenced by JK when he talks about the "whole" and "Observer and the observed". How much of his views are influenced by Jk and how much is based on scientific evidence is debatable indeed. In any case this is a great interview and goes into various topics such as quantom theory and black holes.
I am certain that Bohm got a lot from Krishnamurti, and vice versa, the two were kindred spirits who had a remarkable rapport and their talks give the sense of two deeply thoughtful guys having very similar insights even if derived from very different perspectives.
Absolutely spot on relating to beyond consciousness experience. Does anyone know who if not himself, who is continuing with Mister Bohm's truths/theories?. Consciousness is one whole why don't "individuals" listen to transcend this divisive lie? Any good reads suggested would be grateful. Thank you immensely for uploading this interview, at least one is not going off the head!! YET.
Excellent excellent excellent, your posting of this pretty much justifies the invention of youtube. Good stuff!!! Strange but I see a relation to Giordano Bruno and David Bohm with their world views.
I refer David's fragments to systematicness, say the logicality; I also use the wholeness to stand the wholeness of the systems, no matter the sysmtem of nature or any subsystem of nature. So wholeness connects to the non-absoluteness of the logicalities.
I used Bohm's approach to physics to reliably predict someone like Trump showing up during the 2016 election and reliably predicting him winning the election. As a mode of analysis Bohm was and still is waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of his time.
A wave manifestation doesn't dissipate it just changes form as ripple disappears from perception it just turns in information that continues especially in the quantum. Like sound it travels different through atomic space, it may not be the same sound wave your hearing through a wall even the air but it's still travels it may never stop but shift into a band you can't hear or go into the quantum it may also travel at a infinite speed the other side of the universe the same music could be decoded and played instantaneously. Consciousness is in the quantum state third view dreams is because my consciousness is in two places at the same time. The ego, the image are codes of the form.
Quantum physics is just a way to view a hole system of particles together. Who they behaved according to each other. And interact or make a pattern together and when the pattern changes.
The Copenhagen Interpretation is still the most prominent interpretation in established science despite most of the world's leading physicists non-concurring.
What makes sense is.. MIND IS FUNDAMENTAL.. and the material world arises from it. Bohm speaks of this idea at around 27 minutes into this video... Take any city.. or art.. or music.. etc.. and all these material creations have arisen from human thoughts and imaginings.. and the same goes for the universe. It arose from the information that guided it.. and we call this information - THE LAWS OF PHYSICS (OR NATURE). We can’t see the laws of physics because they are META ACTIVITY.. but we still know they exist because we can see the way they affect material things.. in the same way that we can not see another’s thoughts and feelings.. but we can see the affect they have on other people and things. The evolution of the laws of physics could be expressed better as the evolution of INFORMATION.. so the entire evolution of the universe.. is in fact.. the EVOLUTION OF MIND. In today’s culture.. the fact that it is INFORMATION.. that is evolving so much faster than biological life.. is impossible to ignore. This also makes it hard for us to ignore the fact that it is MIND that has been evolving all along.. right from the beginning.. when the big bang arose.. due to the existing laws of physics. INFORMATION PRE-EXISTS MATERIAL CHANGES means the same as MIND PRE-EXISTS MATTER.. Atoms and particles are bits of information.. just as the material form of DNA is information based.. Like-wise.. language is a material form… that arises from MIND... and physics paints everything like it was a mathematical pattern.. CONCLUSION - ALL IS MIND.
What you say is not what Bohm is saying. He is referring to fundamental quantum physics where the form of the wave function is in a sense information. He believes that form has a bigger impact in reality then classical or quantum physics. This is it. Then he hypothesizes about the mind being a higher level of substance and form (form here being the quantum wave functions). He is not saying that there is some collective mind or there are mind beyond matter. The interview is mainly about his his take on quantum physics.
Bohm is saying matter is the explicate of information that has a mind like quality, the Implicate Order. That too is a representation and on and on. It's all information separated by thought.
"What makes sense is.. MIND IS FUNDAMENTAL.. and the material world arises from it" Or rather the other way around, considering I know of no mind that came before matter.
***** Mind and matter aren't separate. matter doesn't arise from mind either. matter is a representation of form + perception = substance. Mind and matter are two sides of the same process. Matter is the explicate of the implicate. Matter doesn't exist as an independent separate entity. Bohm addresses this in several different places in several different ways. wholeness and implicate order, thought as as system and the undivided universe.
One who is solid in their beliefs has no need to react in such negative ways and that negativity is an obvious sign of insecurity of self-perception and maybe even their perception or should I say mis-perception of their religious beliefs as well.. One who is secure in both of these levels of preception simply explains their viewpoint in a calm concise way & a negative reaction never even crosses their mind.. Negativity/violence is simply ignorance & ego coalescing into a physical manifestation.
He's a nervous man and this comes across in the interview, and agreed that he's doubly nervous because of his imminent lecture with some of the world's most renown physicists, most of which he knows are going to challenge his ideas with respect to interpretation of quantum mechanics. His psychological makeup is sensitive and I believe this manifests more strongly toward the end of his life which is marked by deep psychological issues.
The most basic idea, that we should all be able to agree on, as a driver for ethics and political planning, is evolutionary success. Family planning is fine, as long as it is acknowledged to be what it is: a soft form of eugenics. The people who started it foresaw the same situation which I'm talking about: people of high intelligence, income, education, etc. have less and less children, while those on the opposite pole continue to have more. The question is how to remedy this disparity.
Could the wave particle duality of light and matter in the form of electrons be forming a blank canvas that we can interact with forming the possible into the actual? We have the wholeness of one universal process of energy exchange that forms the unity of physics and mathematics.
...natural science has shown a curious mixture of rationalism and irrationalism. Its prevalent tone of thoughts has been ardently rationalistiic within its own borders, and dogmatically irrational beyond those borders. In practice such an attitude tends to become a dogmatic denial that there are any factors in the world not fully expressible in terms of its own primary notions devoid of further generalization. Such denial is the self-denial of thought. -Alfred North Whitehead, Process And Reality
Great upload. The interviewer does ask some somewhat silly questions tho'; at 19.56 for instance, he asks why physicists saw the limits of the "fragmentary" view point before other people in "general society", which it's silly as some mystics, philosophers, poets, artists in general, etc.. argued against that point view for a very long time indeed & long before most (if not all) scientists.. & this interview's like some kind of loop: it ends where it started.. : ) anyway, thanks for posting this
The whole would determine the parts, and not the "parts" the whole. This would be a line of thought: Hegel, Marx, Frankfurt School. It seems to me he had a brilliant understanding of science and philosophy.
BUT in saying that I completely 100% agree with the last 10 minutes, if we do not understand the exponential function that population growth cannot forever coincide with molestation of finite resources, this is peak oil in a nutshell, then we are forever striding towards the collapse with gen-pop over 7 billion day-to-day oil usage skyrocketing and next to no management of the resources. We cannot go back and we can't stand still, if the thunder won't get us then the lightning will.
Scientists find it difficult to change view also because many don't understand or see the financial ringed circles and how it 'designs' science according to its 'needs'. People, scientist including, won't give up their naivity and rather condemn those who dare speaking up.
UA-cam is a blessing. Imagine me just a regular guy being able to listen to interviews and seminars from the greatest minds on the planet. Although near term life may be a little rough long term these opportunities are going to fertilize many a creative mind. The human being is really a powerful creature. We are like the tide we come in and we go out but you can't stop us. I've really come to believe that human progress in total can not be stopped only delayed. We're on the cusp of greatness.
But as Bohm said..will we be too late ?! .. I’m my opinion, it appears that we are already too late..the damage is done & we are still contributing towards it, rather than attempting to change our ways, in order to fix the mess that we’ve made..long story short..humanity are f#cking doomed !
I love David Bohm, He is deeply, pensively intelligent. His work will be much appreciated many, many generations from now. A ground breaking thinker, a wonderful human being.
He is an important weapon
Against bullies
He was my first physics teacher at Birckbeck in 1977.
Nooo. What an honour
What a beautiful year
Liar.
Lucky you.
Lucky
One of the greatest interviews I've ever seen. David Bohm is a true genius. I'm a big fan of anyone who can blend science and philosophy together into one combined field of thought.
***** study quantum physics, and philosophy, and you'll understand.
A very impressive find, Phil. I remember enjoying reading David Bohm's dialogues with Krishnamurti. But Krishnamurti kind of dominated those discussions. It is enlightening to hear Bohm speaking by himself here. He had some very penetrating ideas. This is definitely worth listening to more than once.
Its definitely hard to understand, and I'll be watching it again I'm sure. I had seen a brief clip of this in another video before, but it was nice to find the whole thing. Jiddu Krishnamurti is good too, there are quite a few of his talks on UA-cam.
He's basically saying that the world needs to stop being so polarized to either side, and meet in the middle. To which I agree 100%.
Phil Harris "the world needs to stop being so polarized to either side"
While I think that would greatly improve the discussions we can and ought to have, I have my doubts as to which extent that would be fruitful. First I should ask what you mean by "either side". "This side" is supposedly science, so what is the other side, and how will that improve the practice and quality of science?
I love David Bohm. This guy changed my life. He crystallized very logically and coherently notions that I was totally lost with. Thank you, David Bohm. Why more people don't know about him is beyond me. It doesn't matter really. He's rock solid.
Would you like to talk in Hangout about Jiddu and the Davids?
Partly marginalised cause of his communist views. However he speaks in the language of dialectical materialism.
True. hes more worried no one will be smart enough to understand him than about his own knowledge i think haha
rock solid and simultaneously just a wave ;)
This is extraordinary. Every word is important. The interviewer, also, is very good. His name is not given.
I've never experienced coherence like that listening to a physicist before. It was spooky. Very inspiring.
What a brilliant mind, and how far ahead of the curve he was then. A wholistic approach to everything is the key, and allows us to a the "top to tale" intelligent view of everything.
He was a brilliant man. His words are just as current now. Such intelligence! This is slow, but wonderful. Do take the time to listen .....
Magnificent! Have always enjoyed reading his books.... an amazing man!
Great man, his talks with Jiddu Krishnamurti are really "something else"...
Tell it. Some of the most wonderful conversations that those two DB and Jiddu k made me realise that I can enjoy listening. I listened to many hours of those sometime among other with patience until I became ob with them. Real special.
Great interview! DB was such a masterclass! One of the few scientists who had the courage to amalgamate science and spirituality. His talks with JK are something everyone must listen to I feel. I was more of a science person who got interested in JK. After listening to DB, and learning about quantum physics, I realized how spirituality and science are part of the whole.
A true scientist. An open mind not trying to just defend his position and extremely knowledgeable in more than one subject or field ie: physics and psychology (human behavior). We truly need more leaders like David. I sincerely hope he has a few followers not only in his knowledge but in his approach. A true Gentleman in the purist sense of the word. It's a pleasure.
What a humble genius Bohm was. Are there any people like this anymore?
jeff lichtman while not so much of an innovator as bohm, is undeniably extremely intelligent and always points out that his work/results could only of been possible from collaboration, and that in the presentations he gives he's just the cheerleader for collaborative works - never takes the credit himself/by himself - is extremely down to earth.
Nope.
Why don't you be the exception? Why do we look out for people, create a model, be it of a Christ or Bohm and pursue it, instead of 'becoming' one, and becoming is not confirmation to a pattern.
sadghuru, john yates
Joscha Bach I would say
Mr Bohm, what a genuine, zero ego individual.
The only guy worth watching on internet about Physics, if interested in facts and theories.
i dont know what it is but ever since i was a child i have had intuitive thoughts that i am now beginning to make sense of with the help of physicists and other people with the unified field view. there is something remarkably wholesome about the thoughts men like him have and they feel right inside. thank you for uploading this video and helping us out
So far ahead of science and so early on. Science should hang their boots up and heads in shame and homage to this emphatically gifted one of a kind dude. Science still seems to deny what is, and still tries to establish truth through what is not. Saintly Bohm.
His interpretation of quantum mechanics however, and his boldness in his theories of wholeness and collective consciousness (information) to explain non-locality as well as other attributes of quantum mechanics represent some of the most innovative and creative thinking around quantum theory. He is most certainly one of the greatest minds of the 20th century and will be looked at in more esteem as generations pass and physicists come to better recognize his brilliance.
Thank you very much. Very good interviewer. Very deep questions regarding how to communicate being whole.
i carry him in my heart
"The way we see depends on the way we think."
Highly interesting individual. His sheepish and simpering 'Mona Lisa grin' completely disarms the listener. You begin to understand that he is explaining complex theories with simple analogies.
I am in love with this man.
Incredible Interview
Excellent in form(ation) Thank You
beautiful
just AMAZING. What a brilliant mind. GOD is great.
I love this guy and Michael Talbot!
I love this approach. I think it gives a more complete explanation of reality, which gives some room to the more "mysterious". The way i am interpreting this is that the motion of a given particle is a combination of it's classical mechanics descriptions coupled with it's pilot wave. This pilot wave if the more idealized definition of the particle, it's information or in Plato's terms itis it's FORM. I am picturing a ball player attempting to make a basket, and the ball's trajectory is a combination of the physical forces exerted on the ball along with the visualization of that trajectory that the player uses to shape his intent. The final outcome depends on the degree to which the thought and the action align. moreover, the more idealized the thought may influence a successful outcome on a less than ideal action, and similarly a poorly framed thought would degrade an otherwise sufficient action to failure.
it's one explanation of those "being in the zone" times.
I do recognize this crosses into more philosophical realms, but it nevertheless resonates for me.
I'd love to hear other thoughts.
This interview is awesome thank you for uploading this! In about the last one minute and a half the video loops back to the beginning. Interesting...
"Sahana vavathu, sahanou bhunakthu, sahaveeryam karavavahaii, Thejaswinavadheethamasthi. Ma vidwishawahaii. Om Shanthi, shanthi, shanthihi." (Let is sit together, eat together, achieve all manners of heroism together. Let us enlighten each other. Let us never be divided. Divine Peace verily from Brahman! Peace! Peace!) The Vedic Manthra with which a Guru accepts a Shishya into the Gurukula
This is amazing, thank you very much. 🙏
Thank you!
He is saying many different ways that we have to break out of the box, and I think he knows more than he is allowed to talk about.
The genius of David Bohm was in different level to say the least!
Great to watch this video !!!
Mind bending, worth listening!
Amazing interview !
I have been reading about pilot-wave theory for a few years and I feel it is much closer, if not exact to the actual laws of quantum physics. I have always felt that the Copenhagen interpretation was a lazy attempt of skipping over the laws because they didn't have the means of correctly measuring such things. Much like the watch-maker theory. Plus, it has the advantage of operating under similar, if the not exactly the same laws as the macro-world. Thank you for posting this interview. I often wonder if the waves that come off of particles are just a bending of space time on a microscopic level, and all of space time exists on multiple levels of "strength" that requires different amounts of energy to distort it. Maybe the particles are the "stars" of the microscopic world of space time.
UrbanOutlawsSk8Co your correct but it comes down to something more fundamental. Philosophy. Philosophy is the original subject, with division of labour became various other subjects. However the two differences in pilot wave and Copenhagen interpretation come from mainly this pilot wave is dialectical/classical materialist axioms; Copenhagen interpretation comes from idealistist axioms of the world. To see what I'm talking about look at the viewpoint of instrumentalism in science. Which basically says all scientific results are just the complex relationship of instruments and the mathematical formulas to explain these relationships which is only all we can do, implying reality is all in your head and there's no independent existence of it. Bohm makes reference to this throughout the interview I.e he's against it. And as was the viewpoint point of Bohr, influenced by idealism.
I've made a playlist made by a person called Paul cockshott who goes through the whole history of materialism vs idealism. ua-cam.com/play/PLu14TaKl1cotHVX6Eqi1161LCElA8hNXX.html Now u must understand this, in class society the exploiter class generally prefer the exploited class to have a idealist view point of the world. Hence why we see a lot of mysticism and superstition in capitalist Society but then people having a concrete dialectical materialist view of the world. This is one of the reason why quantum mechanics dominant interpretation has been corrupted in an ideal is fashion.
the reason why they prefer that is because if people think the world is static and never changing then they won't try to change the existing order word dialectical materialism shows otherwise hence why has been brutally suppressed right since the ancient civilization and the beginning of class society I.e slave, slave master.
I agree. I think that whatever one's attitude to whatever, whether it is religion, politics, conflicts or just simple dispute, it boils down to, just, one's view-point. It is time that people reflected on this simple philosophy; it would make our society and the world a better place. Thanks.
This is an inciteful interview which supports the mystery schools metaphysical knowledge understanding of the Universe. These scientists who are ahead of the limited ideology of the matrix thinking, required courage and persistence in the awakening of Mankinds independence.
The more reading you do into the foundational enigmas in all the sciences (quantum, biological, cosmological), Bohm's interpretations/theories (especially in regards to Information/Potential Fields) reveal themselves as more and more incredible.
Insanely deep conversation iyam. Requires multiple listens to get it all.
Insightful interview 😊❤️
We believe we are observing instruments. But the observation and the thing observed are creations of the mind, for in reality a singular event is what takes place. And that event is a flexible interpretation.
You literally contradict yourself within the same statement lol!
Meta Tron We are a contradiction. The subject/object relationship is an absurd assertion that does not exist in reality.
world peace hahaha, oh you people completely miss the whole point of general semantics, instead of watching UA-cam videos try reading a book. How is absurd? How else are we supposed to speak about anything? I can keep going and asking questions to which end will only show you have no solution and thus your stament is naive and childish. The subject/object is just one way of abstracting reality, and it clearly has been a very fruitful way of looking at the world, but like all methods of abstraction it has it limits, and knowing those limits is essential. Nonetheless your response is not a rebuttal and does not adres the fact you have clearly contradicted yourself within your original statement, yet alone your meaningless response.
Meta Tron Try reading a book? Is that how you got to be so smart? Which book did you read? As for my statement, I am pointing out a contradiction in the way we go about learning. We misunderstood each other. It happens. Let's move on. Peace and love.
world peace well than the language you use to try an emulate when bohms talks physics leaves your stament quite short on information. What you seem to be trying to say is that the observer and the observed and merely part of one system and when we extend this analogy we find ourselves seeing that their is a wave function of the entire universe.
I think David Bohm is someone we all should just once try to really understand (what he said). He was a brave man to open himself - like this, against common viewpoints - in this current world. It is a real shame that he was ignored because of his communistic viewpoints in that time. I believe he is one of the few who saw the hidden non-local connections....
Excellent! Reduces the Western Technological reliance on the teleology of analysis (Bhaga Thyaga Nyaya) to its place. Along side the other equally important Vedic Teleologies of Arundhati Darshana Nyaya (Finding the star through jumping from finger post to finger post and so from the familiar to the unfamiliar) and Athma Darshana Nyaya (discovering the universal in the fractal within) from being the Prima Donna tail that wags the dog.
"It" is here and "it" is there... "It" is everywhere. Enjoy!
There was nowhere to go...
There was nothing to do...
So together we descended
To make our dreams come true!
Tom...i am eternally optomistic.
Without deviation from the 'norm', progress is not possible!
I love this man.
this dude is awesome !
Yes..One doesn't need eyes that see or ears that hear to be able to "know the truth".. Like you said, "it comes from within".. IMHO, One can simply feel it.. This is why many get defensive when you question their faith/beliefs, its because the truth in their heart is telling them something different than their ego/mind is telling them & they do not want to admit to themselves that they may be wrong..
Brilliant.
Try this: imagine if more people on Earth new about David Boehm than Kim Kardashian. I think we could make an argument that evolution is more than a theory (now I am thinking "devolution" given the madness on the rise globally) and human species has a hopeful future. Long live David Boehm!
+JB McNolan totally agree.
I remember him in London like it was yesterday.
Interesting stuff from Bohm. The interviewer was good too.
Masterful. Bohr’s approach emphasizes practical predictions, is intelligible as a theory, and avoids metaphysical speculation. Bohmian Mechanics is barely, if even, mentioned in many texts on Physics. Curious. Politically there is a hint of globalism - that inevitably would lead to totalitarinism (Hayak et al).
You should add timeline with the questions, people are not aware how important this interview is... Just idea.
"We could say that practically all the problems of the human race are due to the fact that thought is not proprioceptive." - David Bohm
Thought is not proprioceptive?
@@sabareeshm7751it's not. Hence all the problems.
Humanitarianism will never conquer the power of financial gain.
People need to realise, no money,no problems,no greed, only compassion.
I think any trepidation in his speech comes from the difficulty in bringing this science into everyday language as he is able to do. Truly wise men seem to be able to do this but never the less it not easy. So often you find them speaking in short direct sentences leaving the listeners mind to fill in any blanks to his level of understanding. He is a professor you know.
This guy is genius but so humble.
Great. I thought the interviewer didn't really grasp Bohm's concepts and also that Bohm to some degree, especially when he discusses Physics, struggled to explain his own ideas which it seems could be explained quite simply (though in their technical form they are extremely complex). But still there is a clarity. Thank you for this upload - I am extremely grateful.
Yes. Very well said.
15:30 Sobre realismo Bohmiano acceso.
17:30 Sobre visión del mundo por el mundo (conformidad) y cambio por la ciencia.
19:00 Sobre los problemas actuales que no pueden ser resueltos por medio de un abordaje fragmentado (el usual)
23:30 El campo cuántico determina no por la intensidad sino por la forma (Alyse Hargraves plato changue and rest)
Dadid Bohm has been very close to Jiddu Krishnamurthy and hence one cant help but wonder if he is influenced by JK when he talks about the "whole" and "Observer and the observed". How much of his views are influenced by Jk and how much is based on scientific evidence is debatable indeed. In any case this is a great interview and goes into various topics such as quantom theory and black holes.
Of course.
I am certain that Bohm got a lot from Krishnamurti, and vice versa, the two were kindred spirits who had a remarkable rapport and their talks give the sense of two deeply thoughtful guys having very similar insights even if derived from very different perspectives.
this guy is incredibly sane
Absolutely spot on relating to beyond consciousness experience.
Does anyone know who if not himself, who is continuing with Mister Bohm's truths/theories?. Consciousness is one whole why don't "individuals" listen to transcend this divisive lie? Any good reads suggested would be grateful. Thank you immensely for uploading this interview, at least one is not going off the head!! YET.
Yes, in a nutshell that was his message about not only quantum mechanics, but also about consciousness as a whole.
Excellent excellent excellent, your posting of this pretty much justifies the invention of youtube. Good stuff!!! Strange but I see a relation to Giordano Bruno and David Bohm with their world views.
Absolutely.
A sweater guy. Hard to find a sweater guy anymore. Reminds me of a singularity.
wee davey peas and gravey, that's what his mates called him. loved vodka and Redbull, could roll a 3 Skinner like a true weed warrior.
After Einstein and Ramanujan, I feel he is the most intriguing intellectual.
Legend.
I refer David's fragments to systematicness, say the logicality; I also use the wholeness to stand the wholeness of the systems, no matter the sysmtem of nature or any subsystem of nature. So wholeness connects to the non-absoluteness of the logicalities.
Weird. Having read Bohm and read about him for so long, this is actually the first time I've heard him speak.
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I used Bohm's approach to physics to reliably predict someone like Trump showing up during the 2016 election and reliably predicting him winning the election. As a mode of analysis Bohm was and still is waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of his time.
A wave manifestation doesn't dissipate it just changes form as ripple disappears from perception it just turns in information that continues especially in the quantum. Like sound it travels different through atomic space, it may not be the same sound wave your hearing through a wall even the air but it's still travels it may never stop but shift into a band you can't hear or go into the quantum it may also travel at a infinite speed the other side of the universe the same music could be decoded and played instantaneously.
Consciousness is in the quantum state third view dreams is because my consciousness is in two places at the same time. The ego, the image are codes of the form.
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Check the etymology of 'dissipate'.... . . . . . . . . . .
Quantum physics is just a way to view a hole system of particles together. Who they behaved according to each other. And interact or make a pattern together and when the pattern changes.
The Copenhagen Interpretation is still the most prominent interpretation in established science despite most of the world's leading physicists non-concurring.
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He learning well from me...
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What makes sense is.. MIND IS FUNDAMENTAL.. and the material world arises from it. Bohm speaks of this idea at around 27 minutes into this video...
Take any city.. or art.. or music.. etc.. and all these material creations have arisen from human thoughts and imaginings.. and the same goes for the universe. It arose from the information that guided it.. and we call this information - THE LAWS OF PHYSICS (OR NATURE). We can’t see the laws of physics because they are META ACTIVITY.. but we still know they exist because we can see the way they affect material things.. in the same way that we can not see another’s thoughts and feelings.. but we can see the affect they have on other people and things.
The evolution of the laws of physics could be expressed better as the evolution of INFORMATION.. so the entire evolution of the universe.. is in fact.. the EVOLUTION OF MIND. In today’s culture.. the fact that it is INFORMATION.. that is evolving so much faster than biological life.. is impossible to ignore. This also makes it hard for us to ignore the fact that it is MIND that has been evolving all along.. right from the beginning.. when the big bang arose.. due to the existing laws of physics. INFORMATION PRE-EXISTS MATERIAL CHANGES means the same as MIND PRE-EXISTS MATTER.. Atoms and particles are bits of information.. just as the material form of DNA is information based.. Like-wise.. language is a material form… that arises from MIND... and physics paints everything like it was a mathematical pattern.. CONCLUSION - ALL IS MIND.
form and information is fundamental which has a mind like quality.
What you say is not what Bohm is saying. He is referring to fundamental quantum physics where the form of the wave function is in a sense information. He believes that form has a bigger impact in reality then classical or quantum physics. This is it. Then he hypothesizes about the mind being a higher level of substance and form (form here being the quantum wave functions). He is not saying that there is some collective mind or there are mind beyond matter. The interview is mainly about his his take on quantum physics.
Bohm is saying matter is the explicate of information that has a mind like quality, the Implicate Order. That too is a representation and on and on. It's all information separated by thought.
"What makes sense is.. MIND IS FUNDAMENTAL.. and the material world arises from it"
Or rather the other way around, considering I know of no mind that came before matter.
***** Mind and matter aren't separate. matter doesn't arise from mind either. matter is a representation of form + perception = substance. Mind and matter are two sides of the same process. Matter is the explicate of the implicate. Matter doesn't exist as an independent separate entity. Bohm addresses this in several different places in several different ways. wholeness and implicate order, thought as as system and the undivided universe.
One who is solid in their beliefs has no need to react in such negative ways and that negativity is an obvious sign of insecurity of self-perception and maybe even their perception or should I say mis-perception of their religious beliefs as well.. One who is secure in both of these levels of preception simply explains their viewpoint in a calm concise way & a negative reaction never even crosses their mind.. Negativity/violence is simply ignorance & ego coalescing into a physical manifestation.
He's a nervous man and this comes across in the interview, and agreed that he's doubly nervous because of his imminent lecture with some of the world's most renown physicists, most of which he knows are going to challenge his ideas with respect to interpretation of quantum mechanics. His psychological makeup is sensitive and I believe this manifests more strongly toward the end of his life which is marked by deep psychological issues.
The most basic idea, that we should all be able to agree on, as a driver for ethics and political planning, is evolutionary success.
Family planning is fine, as long as it is acknowledged to be what it is: a soft form of eugenics. The people who started it foresaw the same situation which I'm talking about: people of high intelligence, income, education, etc. have less and less children, while those on the opposite pole continue to have more.
The question is how to remedy this disparity.
Could the wave particle duality of light and matter in the form of electrons be forming a blank canvas that we can interact with forming the possible into the actual? We have the wholeness of one universal process of energy exchange that forms the unity of physics and mathematics.
A very very clever man.
insightful..
Interesting when he talks about books, especially when so many politicians publish their own "books" these days...
...natural science has shown a curious mixture of rationalism and irrationalism. Its prevalent tone of thoughts has been ardently rationalistiic within its own borders, and dogmatically irrational beyond those borders. In practice such an attitude tends to become a dogmatic denial that there are any factors in the world not fully expressible in terms of its own primary notions devoid of further generalization. Such denial is the self-denial of thought. -Alfred North Whitehead, Process And Reality
That has a lot to do with the statement "You are much more than the sum of your parts".
Great upload. The interviewer does ask some somewhat silly questions tho'; at 19.56 for instance, he asks why physicists saw the limits of the "fragmentary" view point before other people in "general society", which it's silly as some mystics, philosophers, poets, artists in general, etc.. argued against that point view for a very long time indeed & long before most (if not all) scientists.. & this interview's like some kind of loop: it ends where it started.. : ) anyway, thanks for posting this
indeed that is true
very interesting if you insert this contribution as a piece of the whole scheme that is being revealed to the few free and wise eyes ....
The effect of a part on a whole is also the effect of a whole on a part
what happens when a part of me goes up your whole?
I don't think the part has any effect on the whole , however the whole can influence the part.
What about the Butterfly Effect?
I think one reason that he was able to see this was that Bohm understood, or perhaps was inspired by, Hegel. The whole.
The whole would determine the parts, and not the "parts" the whole. This would be a line of thought: Hegel, Marx, Frankfurt School. It seems to me he had a brilliant understanding of science and philosophy.
BUT in saying that I completely 100% agree with the last 10 minutes, if we do not understand the exponential function that population growth cannot forever coincide with molestation of finite resources, this is peak oil in a nutshell, then we are forever striding towards the collapse with gen-pop over 7 billion day-to-day oil usage skyrocketing and next to no management of the resources. We cannot go back and we can't stand still, if the thunder won't get us then the lightning will.
Scientists find it difficult to change view also because many don't understand or see the financial ringed circles and how it 'designs' science according to its 'needs'. People, scientist including, won't give up their naivity and rather condemn those who dare speaking up.
anybody hava any preminition regarding what Bohmian mechanics will mean for 'quantum' computing?