What's your take on the current state of pop punk? I can't seem to get on board with most of what's getting popular, but use the comments as a suggestion board for smaller bands you think we should all try out!
Take it from me 30 is nothing to be scared of I'm 44 as you age you get more focused and confident within yourself to the point you know who you are & what's really important in life so thank God you reached to be the age you are and the ages you will be you are reaching a mile stone never forget that
Imo,take what you will. I'm 22 and I don't even believe pop punk exist, MCR is Rock straight. We never called this washed down "pop punk". You can't call them punk because even other artist don't acknowledge that they are punk, Billy from GD for Ex.
There is a band called winterhaven that I think has a lot of potential if put with the right label. Listen to Ted Cruz by them and you will be sold. Tell me what you think
Pop Punk is going nowhere when 90% of the mainstream already has clout from doing something completely different. Jxdn - Tiktoker MGK - Rap Willow - born famous LILHUDDY - Tiktoker Maggie Lindemann - one hit wonder in 2017 This leads to zero creativity and innovation when you’ve already made it and know people are going to listen anyway. I think it’s pretty much impossible at this point for a newer scene band to break into the mainstream from the ground up, even if what they are doing is new and creative.
Willow may have been born to a famous family, she has done a great job to distance herself. She had the “Whip My Hair” go very well. She makes some of the best music I’ve heard. She definitely not part of the people who have clout for another reason.
i think you’re selling willow a bit short. just bc she was “born famous” doesn’t mean she was born with the talent she has harbored over the years. she’s seriously incredibly creative with her music and it absolutely doesn’t need to be discredited just bc her parents are famous. give her a chance and you’ll be very surprised.
I think Willow, though is trying to distance herself from the Smith name but she has the struggle of making it without leaning on her father. Similar to Janet Jackson, sure the name gives them connections a garage band won't have but they are also having to work harder because everyone will constantly point out they're famous family.
Wtf do you mean? Name one pop punk band that has brought something "totally new & fresh" to the table in the last 5 years after easy-core got burnt out.. there's not a breakdown pattern that hasn't been done, not a single stellar artist with genuine genuine star power thats drawing crowds from young kids.. JXDN is mainly an influencer, but cuz can sing & Travis is one hell of a songwriter & has such a great ear for what is to come while still having OG Credo. MGK did START as a rapper, but he's been playing warped tour for years & is a genuine fan of pop punk who i feel is just committing fully to the sound after experimenting with alternative music for well over 7 years.. (noone has ever said that you can only perform whatever style of music you started on, you'd all still be boping boy bands, classic rock, outdated punk or boomer metal & new ideas would not happen) I get that its harder & harder these days with the state of online music commerce to do something that is totally fresh & not played out. Having said that I believe that working with some of the best people in the game & not limiting yourself will always yield a better project & artists like MGK & Yungblud have been able to do that due to their previous following & working with the best songwriters in the game. I mean, how "cool" would it be if NFG was still writing songs about how tough highschool is & how jocks are assholes. Sometimes i feel like the middle aged audience of this genre forgot what got them here in the first place & have no cognitive thinking power to discern why the genre they "love" is dying.. SMH 🙄
As a member of Gen Z who grew up in the 2000s and heard a ton of pop punk music back then, I really just don't enjoy the new pop punk at all. All of the new pop punk artists really do just seem like TikTok kids and other random internet celebrities that get into music just to make a quick buck. It reminds me of how a few years ago, all the random internet celebrities would make like one rap song that would usually fail, but for some reason, the new trend seems to be pop punk, and even stranger, they seem to be finding some success. I really don't understand it at all, but I've never really been that into pop punk, so that might be part of it, but I don't think you need to be into that genre to see how soulless this new music is.
@@jackdotsontv dude you know nothing of the real pop punk scene. You have 0 idea what you’re talking about, the tik tok scene is it own thing but please get over yourself
I think mentioning how music is produced today is pretty important. I think pop punk isn't as raw as it used to be. It's way too clean and not distorted enough. I'm not really into that tbh. I like the rawness of older pop punk
Stand Atlantic, KennyHoopla, and Minority 905 are great bands and artists that I would recommend to anyone. They’re making great music and doing their own thing
I’m not trying to say the bands you listed aren’t talented/good to listen to, but the fact that you recommended those artists as an example of artists “doing their own thing” or a current state of the talent only reiterates the VAST divide that currently exists between the level of talent and ingenuity that was taking place in the early 2010s to now. The story so far, neck deep, real friends, state champs and knuckle puck at their height were the closest thing we’ve ever had to landing amongst the pioneers of the late 90s and early 2000s in modern era.
As a 23 year old casual fan of the genre, I'm guessing a big reason why you're not seeing a lot of evolution is that people who want to get into pop punk keep getting pointed back to bands like Green Day, Blink-182, The Offspring, Paramore, Fall Out Boy, and My Chemical Romance and they don't get pointed towards new bands doing new things. So when someone my age goes to make a pop punk song (or naturally comes by one, as songwriting tends to go), there's a lot of new stuff they haven't heard and a lot of old stuff they're using as a direct influence. Like, I have no clue who any of the bands you mentioned from around 2015 are, but I've listened to From Under The Cork Tree, Nimrod, and Riot! in the past four years more times than I can count. My theory is once a genre hits the mainstream, it's not going to evolve as easily anymore, because it will become diluted with newer artists who are more inclined to imitate what got really popular than dig up something that hasn't been fully developed yet and put their own twist on it.
I'll agree with you there. I am a fan of the genre but for some reason there's a mental block to the new pop punk bands like The Story So Far or Knuckle Puck.
I think the key is when a genre goes mainstream then falls out of the public eye. Pop Punk had three massive and distinctive era’s in the mainstream which still define the genre today. There was the time of bands like Green Day and Offspring in the mid to late 90s. Then that of bands like Blink 182 and Sum 41 in the early 2000s. Then the more “emo” or “scene” phase of the mid to late 2000s with bands like Fall out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Panic! at the Disco etc etc. After this time the genre essentially faded away. Because of this kids stopped getting into the music and listened to other stuff, innovation slowed, and everything stagnated. The late 2000s was the last time Pop Punk was truly huge and I listed more artists for that last era for a reason. It seems to me that most people trying to evoke this genre nowadays pull from that much more than anything else, which makes sense because they likely grew up on it. No new bands came to replace them after that era faded away and anyone who wants to make pop punk music logically emulates that sound to identify themselves to the listener. If it was still a big mainstream sound then it would have evolved in the same way it did from The Offspring to Fall out Boy. Two completely different bands making two completely different styles of music from within the same genre. When instead of maintaining its popularity it fades to the background however, you get artists trying to harken back to the haydays almost two decades later because not very many people made that type of music.
I feel bad for doing this very thing. I'm a teen that's just gotten into pop-punk and the older bands are all I listen to. My dad introduced me to many of the bands you listen like Green Day and Blink. If anyone knows a younger, really good pop-punk band, please let me know!
I feel pop punk is going through the same cycle that happened after its peak in mid-2000s and then its decline in popularity (and quality), the whole "neon pop punk era" (which I personally never liked). Still I do enjoy current bands like PUP, Spanish Love Songs, Heart Attack Man, Hot Mulligan, Origami Angel, Arm's Length and Bonsai Trees
If you haven’t listened to them checkout the band Palette Knife. The album they dropped in January is very good it’s legit like if Hot Mulligan and Origami Angel had a babby
Bands like TSSF and TWY are amazing but other bands such as PUP, Heart Attack Man, Bearings, No Preasure, Belmont, Hot Mulligan, Idles and Those Without have been making great pop punk for a while now and they deserve so much recognition for keeping the genre truly alive even if only underground
@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 first time I heard bearings was around the time of their first album and my first impression was they sound like the love child of Transit and Jimmy eat world. I’ve loved them ever since
It seems like the pop punk songs that get traction nowadays have that same "I'm so sick of LA, all my friends are fake, I don't wanna clean my room today" laughable lyrics that get so stale.
and that voice... oh my god that voice... i read these lyrics in "the voice" you know the one im talking about. "YER ALRADDDYYY THE VOICE INSIDE MYYYY yyyyyyYYYEEDDDDDDD" granted blink 182 was actually good.
Easily hot mulligan, they’re great, and I feel they’re more unique than most pop punk bands these days. Heart attack man has elements of pop punk, but I wouldn’t say they’re exactly pop punk, but they’re still worthy of checking out. Would love to see a review of “In thoughtz and prayerz”.
@@beyondartv yeah both bands were the only good “pop punk” bands that around that I could think of. I completely agree with you though on the video, pop punk just feels boring now, and I was never even one who loved pop punk but I cam tell it’s been lacking over the past few years.
I'd agree pop punk had a rocky time from 2016-2020 but i think we're starting to see a shift and i expect a bunch of new bands/artists to start blowing up pretty soon
I think the biggest problem for me is the modern pop punk sound is way too clean. It's too poppy. MGK is the best example of that for me. Like his songs are decent but they don't have that same character as say NFG or blink or Sum41 or even neck deep. It's just overly produced to the point it's kinda what I would expect Coldplay to write if they had a pop punk song. Does that make sense?
Lol have you heard any blink songs ?since Travis their most successful song have been a lot poppier then some of MGK song ,I miss you is pure pop .Papercut one of MGK’s hit ,it’s way heavier .And I listen to pop punk to post hardcore to metal but MGK is not poppier then blink at the time .
This video basically sums it up for me. I've fallen out of love with pop-punk for a while now mainly because of how repetitive the sub genre has gotten. Can't even really think of any new up-and-coming bands that have a fresh sound. Hell, the last full on pop-punk album I heard was New Found Glory's latest record from last year and at best, I thought that album was okay. If you guys have any suggestions on some great, new pop-punk acts, please let me know.
@@maxwellarnessio5938 Belmont really is carrying the weight in the genre and their not talked about enough yet but their I believe their going to be the key to getting people excited again. W the exception of their cover they just put out (ehh). But the new album is very promising
I totally feel that. I’d listen to “Meet me @the alter” and a REALLY small brand new band “Keep Your Secrets” (that’s a shameless self plug I hate myself lol)
I think Meet me @ the altar is worth mentioning. They don't really sound like other pop punk bands, but have that classic sound. So I think they are worth a shot !!
This whole video is literally everything i've tried to express, so many times, about the new generation of pop punk. It gets me really mad that those already-and-previously-famous artists are getting so much space and attention, while the small pop punk bands that had been around for a little longer can't, in fact, be recognised as they should. I've grown up with pop punk bands playing all around and I'm very nostalgic about it, but definitely is a lot cringy the way that people are emulating the pop punk glory to the younger Gen Z (I'm also a Gen Z, I was born in the firsts years of the generation, so I got the chance to go with the emo years and sutff). There's something missing in those artists, it truly feels like they'll just drop out pop punk in the very second the genre stop being something they can get a lot of money from it.
This is really feeling like the dubstep and electro house boom on the late 2000s/early 2010s, where the genre came out from its baby steps as pretty underground yet popular on the EDM and party cycles to worldwide phenomenons; and suddenly you started to see every pop act out there, sometimes even rock bands (hello Korn) and rappers (hello Flo Rida), suddenly having electro house elements and/or dubstep drops in their songs And then once dubstep and electro's mainstream popularity and appeal slowly but surely started to wane from the radio and it went back to the circles where they originated (yeah the EDM circle is absolutely massive but it is still its own circle), every pop artist dropped the EDM sound faster than a lightning in a bottle and started going after the next booming sound to adapt, and I'm just afraid this is gonna happen to pop punk; it'll be this popular thing on social media, fashion and music for a while, and once it stops being "it", pop punk will just go back to what it was, its own scene.
I'm 28 years old; i was all over the 2010s pop punk scene like Modern Baseball when i was in my early 20s but i'm just a general punk fan now. My issue with a lot of zoomer pop punk like MGK and Lil Lotus is how insanely overproduced it is. I want some gnarly, raspy, underproduced emopunk like we got from Jawbreaker or even Alkaline Trio.
some of mgk’s shit is raspy and lil lotus has a band where he screams called if i die first which is somehow more popular than himself as an emo rapper so he’s doing something right with the band
I haven't listened to pop punk since middle school, that being said, I am now a bassist in a pop punk band. We have a metalhead guitarist, punk drummer, singer songwriter as the front man, and myself, a prog rock/prog pop enthusiast on bass. We'll see how this turns out but at least it won't sound like every other pop punk band🤷♂️ I'm thinking the goal is to be in an ARTV video one day lol
Parker Cannon from The Story So Far has a side project called No Pressure. That really in my opinion captures the magic of the Under Soil and Dirt / What You Don't See era. While not just being a being of a clone of their past self. For me a lot of stuff culminated to sort of send pop punk downward. Especially with 3 of my favorite bands. My favorite band Modern Baseball (basically) broke up in 2017. And while Jakes new band Slaughter Beach Dog is incredible. They're an indie rock band at their core for sure. The Story So Far put out their last album in 2018, and like you said the sound went a really different direction. A good one. But different. Again, check out No Pressure. Because I'm not sure where Story so Far is going from here on out. Turnover put out their best album in 2015 Peripheral Vision. Which ended up being massively influential. I saw a ton of bands that formerly did pop punk turn into this shoegaze direction. And their next album Altogether was even more of a departure from their sound. Two bands I really like Movements and Citizen are still doing the sound justice, but those big three above for me really were the death knell for the pop punk revival. Along with Warped Tour shutting down. And now Gen-Z is seeing MGK as the biggest name in pop punk. And how could I ever blame them for not liking the genre after that? It's like if someone put Blink-182 in a copy machine and printed the copy on newspaper.
@@saulomarruizgarcia2408 I should've mentioned The Wonder Years for sure. Never quite hitting that same incredible peak as The Greatest Generation again and moving another direction.
This is the exact issue i have with this all I guess a positive though is that some of the kids enjoying this stuff will dig deeper and discover the pop punk underground
@@Sergio-nb4hj I just feel like everyone's talking about "pop punk coming back", but how is a genre movement meant to be sustained if the only people in it are already established artists? Without new bands leading a movement and keeping it popular, its gonna instantly crash as soon as the bigger artists get bored of it
i mean this is just the entire problem with the pop punk scene in general anyways, it easily has some of the worst gatekeepers of any genre. pop punk guys will simultaneously rip on pop musicians and then turn around and record in a multi-million dollar studio, and will trash talk anyone who doesnt/cant. its weird.
I feel like the best bands in the current “pop punk” scene are actually the ones that are only really pop punk adjacent. Bands like Movements, Spanish Love Songs, and Hot Mulligan are considered by many to be “pop punk”, but they definitely also lean into the emo lane as well. Similarly bands like Microwave lean into hardcore, and bands like Future Teens lean into pop. I recommend all these bands to anyone who has lost faith in the more by the books pop punk. Especially Future Teens since they are by far the least know of those, and deserve to be so much bigger.
Pop Punk is a big umbrella. Emo is essentially a cousin, the link from pop-punk to goth, your jump from Blink 182 to the Sisters of Mercy, it's totally Alkaline Trio, but they are also very much punk-post-punk-pop-punk. Spanish Love Songs is the sadder side of Pop Punk but totally pop punk musically.
Hi Jon! I'm not 30, I'm 18, but I have a close friend in the scene who is 31. When he turned 30, I told him to think of 30 as the new 20. 30 is still young
It’s like you took the words straight out of my mouth. I was just having this exact conversation with my bf the other day. I felt bad because I’m like, am I being a boomer about this? I just really don’t like the new stuff at all. But then I realized the genre, despite going through so many changes, has been around for decades and still managed to be…good. So what happened? It’s so overproduced/soulless.
So I just posted something about this on Reddit. I think we need pop punk to grow up with with the fans. Most of us are hitting the dirty thirties now and none of us are getting younger. We've got the girl, we have settled in our town and we don't lock ourselves in our room anymore. It's an issue that the fans who were buying their albums now can't really relate to the music anymore. Keep the endless summer feel and update your lyrics to be more relatable for people in their 30s and you'll have hits. People don't wanna be rolling around windows down sounding like a teeny bopper anymore.
One of the biggest reasons why this is happening, is because we're in the midst of the second psychedelic renaissance. Many artists have shifted their focus from being genuine to their genre, to focusing on the unity of our species. This is apparent with the genre bouncing from artists that wouldn't normally create pop-punk, to the pop punk artists using elements that pop-punk wouldn't normally use. I personally think that it's a full circle mentality that promotes the idea that anyone can, and should, do, use and experiment with everything they can involving art and expression. As our species evolves, I think that idea is important and beautiful. I'm glad to see anyone who wants to make pop-punk do it. Everyone's invited to the party.
Stand Atlantic is one of the best newer bands in my book and a sign of how a pop-punk band can grow and progress without repeating itself or losing touch. Skinny Dipping was arguably their break-thru and classic pop-punk sound, Pink Elephant took a BIG leap forward and took me a few listens to connect, butvis also excellent and points them toward future growth. Also, not new, but Greyscale impressed me when i saw them earlier this year as well
I feel the same way as I grew up with many pop punk bands, like Blink-182, Green Day, and modern ones like Neck Deep, Boston Manor, however, I personally think that many of them bands do have good tendencies to change their sounds like the elements on Blink-182’s ‘NINE’ for example, even if it’s not like their older albums, but it’s nice to have different styles, but I hate how many pop artists that try to bring pop-punk into their songs, especially these modern pop artists and it just doesn’t work for me, especially MGK and some of Miley Cyrus’ material, and I have my moments when it comes to Pop-Punk, especially classing the older Busted and McFly music as pop-punk, and even older Weezer, perhaps, because I think they have more great classic pop-punk songs unlike anyone else out there in the Pop-Punk genre these days.
For me I think the experience was the thing that made pop punk back then felt so much better. Discovering by actually doing research on myspace, going to gigs, warped tour, and genuinity of the lyrics which makes the angsty vibes felt real. Nowadays everything felt easy, easy to market songs, easy to find them so it became quite mass marketed. Idk if my words make sense but yeah i agree I find it to be quite difficult to get into new bands these days
The newest album was surprisingly good. I think they must’ve had their finger on the pulse and decided to go with a sound that’s pop punk but with a more altpop approach. It worked in their favor
I'm waiting for a young band to take the reins of pop punk and outrun this 'nostalgia' trend once for all, I feel like the spot is there desperately waiting for a band to take it
meet me at the altar is one of the worst musical acts i have ever had the displeasure of witnessing. the fact that they're even popular is pretty much what this video is about.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who seems to be not onboard with this current pop punk scene. In fact, I’ve been thinking about what you are saying in this video almost everyday. This scene has gotten old, to me, pretty fast, and it only just started. There’s nothing that stands out to me (albeit KennyHoopla and “PartyCrasher” by LiLHUDDY are cool). Probably due to the lack of originality. Same could apply to the metalcore scene, as well, in how generic and paint - by - numbers it has gotten. There’s a few out there, but I wouldn’t classify them as “straight - up metalcore”. Honestly, I grew out of the two, but I still look for stuff that peaks my interest. My taste has evolved into more raw, heavier/softer, experimental type of music; inaccessible, to say the least. The Defend Pop Punk scene seemed genuine, felt like a community, and had a, somewhat, DIY aesthetic attached to it. This new one feels monopolized, corporate, and soulless, latching on to the cliches of the genre, as a whole, and lacking the rawness and heart that DPP and the original ‘00s pop punk had. Now, ‘00s pop punk was corporate, but it at least had something to offer and bands that gave a crap about what they made.
I agree with what you said. Pop Punk hasn’t been great for the past five years or so. It’s hard to find modern pop punk bands to rave about. They are bands that incorporate pop punk into their music like Spanish Love Songs, Heart Attack Man and Free Throw but there aren’t any full on pop punk bands that aren’t doing anything interesting
I do appreciate the Pop Punk scene during my teen years (with MCR, Yellowcard, Green Day etc.) because they are easy to get into but as I became an adult (now already in my 30s), I wanted to hear something different.
I totally agree. To me it just feels like pop punk has gotten so generic lately. Personally I feel like some bands that can pull off the pop punk sound good are MxPx, Sum-41 (though they do have kind of a heavier sound now they’re still killing it) maybe Good Charlotte and blink, and zebrahead are definitely a killer band still releasing great music. But you made great points Jon 👍
Sum 41 still putting out bangers like Goddamn I'm Dead Again and Out for Blood makes me so happy to know that at least one band made it through and continues to push forward.
This would kind of explain why musicians still active today that have been a huge part of pop-punk's rise in the late 90's (like Tom DeLonge) are not really writing or playing pop-punk anymore. The genre is so dry and generic right now. I wish bands like The Story So Far were making new music.
Not sure if you know, but State Champs put out two new singles recently and they are absolutely phenomenal. But I don’t think it’s you getting older, Tik Tok is definitely ruining this genre and I feel like you put it perfectly.
As an old punk in his late 40's now, I find a lot of the problem being that new bands only go back so far for their influences. There actually was pop-punk before Green Day and Blink 182. No one listens to the older bands that came before, like the late 80s/early 90's Lookout Records roster. Seems to me that a lot of younger pop-punk fans don't listen to Screeching Weasel, The Mr. T Experience, Cringer, J Church, Moral Crux, the Vindictives, etc. And go back even further to the roots - the Ramones! Their influences were the old rocknroll bands of the 50's and 60's. Fans today seem to listen to one particular sound and that's it! I tried sharing older pop-punk tunes with someone who looooves All Time Low, but she didn't really seem to care to hear anything that didn't have that high, nasally vocal range. And I don't mind that sound in small doses as long as there's solid hooks and songs, but to ignore everything that came before, when there was less of a formula to follow and more of a balance between the "punk" and "pop" aspects, well, that's just sad. If bands today are only going to be influenced by sounds of the past 20 years, then they may be painting themselves into a corner. I really try not to be a jaded listener, giving new bands a shot when I find 'em, but it's hard to get excited by bands who are obviously trying soooo hard to simply ape what just came before them.
I 100% agree with you. I missed a lot of the pop punk scene, and honestly that makes me really sad. I started listening in 2017-2018 when I was 12/13. I went to two dates on the last warped tour, and really did get to enjoy it's last good year in 2018, and even a little in 2019. But between social media like tik tok, and the pandemic, the scene just isn't what it was. There's very little bands that I actually listen to the new music of, even those of which I consider my FAVORITE bands. My top streamed albums are still those like LNOTGY by neck deep, MTPITSAWJC by real friends, Cinematics by set it off, Best Buds by mom jeans, Copacetic by knuckle puck, Feel Something by movements, The Finer Things by state champs, etc etc. I'm not sure that's entirely all "pop punk", but it goes for some albums that stray away from pop punk like This Could Be Heartbreak by the amity affliction and ruiner by nothing,nowhere. All of these albums I've been listening to for years and as the bands release more music that doesn't change significantly. My favorite band is as it is and while they're certainly not on the same level as most of those bands I still actually like all their new music. They scared me with the singles from their new album, it sounded like they were going the same route, but when the album released it was actually really good. I just wish the scene could be revived again, and certainly not from people like MGK. Some of these bands have changed their sound successfully, and others just don't even sound authentic anymore. I can't find any good newer pop punk bands except maybe hot muligan, if they're even considered "newer" anymore.
100% feel you on this one, there’s definitely been a steady decline unfortunately over the last couple of years, 2 new bands I’d definitely recommend right now if your looking for some bands with that classic pop-punk style would be Koyo and Stand Still, both are from Long Island, NY and are formed out of members from Multiple bands from the Long Island Hardcore scene, definitely recommend checking both out
I think the disconnect is mainly understanding what pop punk is supposed to be vs what people think it is. Pop Punk is punk music that uses the similar melodies and writing tactics of what is popular in the mainstream. It’s always been that way, but I felt like most pop punk from the 2010s, minus a few acts, didn’t have too much going for them and were just rehashed from the hayday of the genre and didn’t really enhance upon the genre. They forgot that pop punk is supposed to be trendy. Now that these new or older artists are doing just that, it just sounds disingenuous and creates a disconnect from old to new. It’s definitely jarring to say the least, but it’s just a new generation for a new crowd. We can wine and tear it apart all we want, but at the end of the day it’s just pop punk being pop punk. We don’t have to like everything the genre brings us
It sounds like it was Emo Rap that caused your disconnect. Think about it in 2015 was the first big wave of emo rappers starting to blow up and tbh they took a lot of the pop punk fan base, especially younger kids who would have listened to bands. However artists like Peep, Juice, Bones, Trippie, Uzi, Nothing Nowhere, XXX ect where just had more star power and where making a new style of music fusing emo and hip hop. So it makes sense that the emo rap influence on modern pop punk is huge and not going anywhere. I think the genre is lucky to have these social media stars making pop punk. It’s becoming mainstream again and that’s only going to continue to happen if these kind of artists make it. You will still always have a strong underground of course that won’t change. But we need stars in our scene to spread it to new fans and help people get into alternative.
Personally it was these small solo artists vaguely tying pop punk and rap that got me huge into pop punk now. I started listening to lil peep in 2016, a lot of his contemporaries like lil lotus, nothing nowhere, and Wicca phase a bit after that. The way peep would sample the story so far and modern baseball, or lil lotus sampling real friends, or døves sampling foxing were always my favorite songs by them. Once I got huge into Wicca Phase I went back and listened to Tigers Jaw bc I loved Adam so much, and from there I was sucked into like all of Run for Cover core and neck deep, TSSF etc. Now I’m seeing things about “pop punk becoming mainstream again” and I just can’t get any of it, it all feels really artificial. I actually really liked the recent nothing nowhere album, and even the new lil lotus album had its moments, and I think that has to do with the late 2010s “emo rap” artists having a legitimate connection to more recent pop punk, and not just the classic era pop punk people are nostalgic for. I may have grown out of people like lil peep, but he did have legitimate love for pop punk. I’m not super familiar with X or Juice but both of their deaths too left a void of somewhat pop punk touched rap that was a clear market for already established people to just come in and take over. Very sad to see bands huge in the underground pop punk scene like hot mulligan being overshadowed HEAVILY by mgk, jxdn, etc.
I was a pop punk elitist and only listened to music with real instruments back in 2017. Pop punk was already dying and I was listening to like deathcore/ slam shit and when I found that “ emo rap “ thing . I abandoned all genres . I messed around and got lil lotus’ signature tatted on me in 2018 ( proud to say I’m the first to ever get it , now he’s blowing up everybody be getting it ) . I got into real actual trap music which was u know the typical smashing ur girl , jewelry , money , drugs . I’m now trying to get back into pop punk . Music scene in general is dying . That Emo rap stuff ain’t even hit as hard as it did back in 2017-2018.
@@yattahippyoh7806 lol lotus switched up lol I mean I used to be his biggest fan . I FaceTimed him , he knows who I am type shit. Followed me back on Instagram back in early 2020. I even admitted to me that he wanted to go pop so he can get to the bag. I respect that but I’m trying to get his name that’s tatted on me covered up . He’s the only one that I would say is one of the kings of that genre . He doesn’t even rap tbh , he’s just pop punk on 808s and trap drums. He said many times before that he’s not a rapper . So it’s weird how u call him a rapper . He’s singing on trap beats . He has no bars too IF he’s a rapper 😂 lil xan and lil pump got more bars than him . So he’s essentially a singer . But lotus went downhill tbh.
Absolutely!!! I feel like so many artists (and record labels, for that matter), are way too concerned with singles, records sold, and radio friendly hits, quite honestly, too many in the latter. Like I've said before, give the people what they want: quality music, lyrics with actual meaning, people putting so much blood, sweat, and tears effort.. and there are so many new sounds of punk guitar that have yet to be heard... but nevertheless, you nailed it right on the head with this vid...
I am a gen Z person(I am 22). Although I was very young back in the aughts and became a teen in the early 2010s, I was glad to listen to pop punk albums of those eras. I feel embarassed to call myself gen Z.Sure I was a newborn when Blink 182 released Enema of the state and was 8 when R!ot came out, but pop punk was one of those genres that shaped what type of music I was into and even as an adult.I feel like I am way too young to call myself a millinenial but old enough to remember pop punk of the mid to late 2000s.
Hey John , I hope you are doing well. Yesterday, I found a feature of Pitchfork's 200 most important artists of the first 25 years . Some of the artists on the list that I found both surprising and not surprising. I was wondering if you can make a reaction video about this list. I would like to hear your thoughts.
I come from a little older poppunk background with No Use for a Name, NOFX, Propagandhi, Millencolin, Adhesive and a little band called Randy. So amazing. Lately I’ve discovered The Strikeouts and Pour Habitz.
I've been so out of touch with the genre for years now but was an avid follower of it back when I was in my teens to mid 20s. Heck, I've been out of touch of music in general in recent years since I got older (I'm 28 right now) and my life got more complicated because of work stuff and my hobbies have shifted to gaming and the only music I listen to these days are video game osts from retro and indie games, Japanese pop/rock, and 1980s synthpop/new wave. I don't even know what's going on with music these days anymore and I kind of don't care but I can see how it's generic.
I’m about the same age as you and for the most part I think I’ve aged out of liking pop-punk. I also came up on Green Day, blink-182, Offspring, et al, but largely stopped paying attention to newer pop-punk bands after the mid/late 00s. I didn’t even give much attention to the bands that cropped up in the early 2010s during the “defend pop punk” movement that were popular on Tumblr. I’ve grown and changed as a person, and my tastes have grown and changed. I have a much lower tolerance for whiny, nasal vocals as an adult and it just doesn’t hit me or resonate with me like it did when I was 14.
Oh man, 2015 was really a good year for pop-punk music. Back on Top by the Front Bottoms, the last Motion City Soundtrack album, Neck Deep's LNOTGY as you said, takes me back to high school
I think neck deep is in this weird phase some bands go through where after they blow up kinda lose some interest and most of the bigger fans of the artist stick around if that makes sense Idk probably doesn't
I totally get where your coming from. The pop punk scene was full of vibrant young bands only a few years ago has been completely usurped by likes of MGK. Even the UK pop punk Facebook group seemed to completely die off after a while. I think bands having to split up or kick out members due to allegations and bigger names like Creeper, Boston Manor and Remo Drive changing styles hasn't helped either.
its not just allegations but a lot of the people in those bands are actually creepy as f, i watched pretty much my entire local pop punk scene get dismantled as people starting talking about how creepy/just generally bad people the band members were. this is a really weird phenomenon but it seems to be happening all over and still happens even with newer pop punk bands around here lol. its a lot of creepy dudes trying to capitalize on a style of music that they think will garner them attention or money or whatever. its hardly music anymore.
I’m probably too old (37!) to be in the know really, but I still love pop punk just like I did in high school when Enema of the State came out and all. I got a couple bands for everyone, though neither is strictly pop punk, more pop punk adjacent: Arm’s Length (more on the emo side) and If I Die First (more MySpace screamo). Both bands are fairly small but both are just insanely good. I highly recommend both if you haven’t heard them.
I feel like two bands I like that sort of ride in the pop punk kind of lane I'm really vibing at the moment are Stand Atlantic and PUP. Both of them have relatively distinct vibes to them compared to the Travis Barker pop punk of a lot of the big stuff. Also I'm really interested in where Yours Truly is going after their newest track Walk On My Grave. I also think I've moved on over time to more pub rock for my catharsis overall but that's probably because of how big bands like Dune Rats and Violent Soho are over here in Australia.
Australian bands have obviously evolved too but are still releasing GREAT pop-punk / alt rock music which deserves more attention. Bands like Stand Atlantic, With Confidence, Yours Truly, Between You & Me, The Dead Love, Bellwether, Down For Tomorrow, Teenage Joans & Clay J Gladstone. Outside of Aus I think KennyHoopla, Meet Me @ The Altar, Action/Adventure, Heart Attack Man and Hot Mulligan are producing some of the best music that we've heard in the genre for a while.
There's not a ton of incredible pop punk bands as of late but the some that I've always found fantastic are: Hot Milk(?), In Her Own Words, The Home Team(?), Between You And Me, Broadside, Stand Atlantic, Point North, and Meet Me @ The Altar as well as some artists doing some cool emo/pop punk stuff like Maggie Lindemann, Jake Hill & Josh A, Mod Sun, and Poorstacy
The only band I totally recommend and follow from 2015- Present is Against the Current. For me they’ve been consistently great. But don’t get much exposure or praise on what they do. They pretty much just have a cult following at this point but really something like getting on a major tour as a opening act would be amazing for them. Opening for Paramore or even like F. O. B. Would help boost them a little. I mean they’re killing it overseas. They’re upgrading venues in Europe but they don’t have the notoriety they should have in the states outside and barely sell out small clubs. While they wait for festivals to become a thing again. Also their current EP is great and they teamed up with Bring Me the Horizon to help with some of the songwriting and it helped tremendously.
Just saw ATC for the fourth time the other night and it was easily my favorite concert I've ever been to! I've been following them as long as you have and I 100% agree, they've always been great and I've really enjoyed watching them grow over the years.
I'm not super into pop punk but I'm your age and was very into the Canadian indie rock scene in the 2000s growing up and into the 2010s, and I feel very much the same about it. I don't even really know where to look for new artists and the last crop of big acts are ones that peaked several years ago too. Indie went through that big bump around the early 2010s and then sort of fell away after that. I feel like a lot of the problems with these subgenres have to do with how streaming has changed music. It's so insanely hard for these mid-size bands to get traction with how the industry works now. Most of the media outlets that broke new artists before either don't exist anymore or are irrelevant and nothing has replaced them except algorithms. Also it feels like nobody is interested just in "hey this band makes enjoyable music" anymore, everyone needs some sort of shtick or story to get social media interested in them. With pop punk specifically, it's like an aesthetic for these TikTok kids to try on while they don't really care about it. Idk man, everything is weird now.
Hey Jon, you made some great points. I remember your reaction to our first single "What's Your Name?" in one of your live streams and we were so happy that you were into it. We’re a fairly new pop-punk band that started last year, so we hope our music adds something refreshing to your playlists :)
As a fan of pop punk WAY before it started to become popular again, I absolutely LOVE that pop punk is making a rise again, with all the new hip hop artists dipping their toe in it. Although I completely agree it's just not the same anymore... It feels different and feels like these hip hop artists are just following a new trend, more than them having a genuine love for the genre. I will say Mod Suns new album, Internet Killed the Rockstar is really good and I can tell he has genuine love for the genre. Not only did he say it but I can feel it on the album, it really shows
i cannot tell you how many people i personally know who used to make rap and then slowly started to try to turn it into pop punk once they saw MGK doing it. its so cringe. these people are more sheep-like than your typical mainstream listener.
Hey Jon! First time seeing your videos. I am your age, and resonate with how you feel about the current state of pop punk. I do also feel like I'm just not listening to as much music anymore, so I might just be getting old. However! I think a major part of this whole thing is missing. I don't feel like the peak of pop punk (2010-2015) was because of the music as much as you think it was. I believe that it was more of a sense of community. There was something really awesome when bands starting getting together and would comment on other bands and get together with them. I wonder if, in this day of technology and tiktok and everyone having the chance of being famous, there's a sense of isolation due to it. There's something real when you see All Time Low ft Vic from PTV, and seeing a warped tour show in Marysville, CA in 2008 (you can find it on youtube!) when the singer of Mayday Parade had to fly home for a family emergency, and different singers came up for different songs like Vic Fuentes, Alex Gaskarth, Travis Clark, and even the duo from Four Year Strong! Amazing! Don't see a lot of that now. I really think its just that sense of community, starting all the way from the bottom like DIY shows being hosted at your local VFW/American Legion/Whatever, to the bigger shows. Its that sense of intimacy, and being part of something so much more than just the music and the band. The fans and bands really felt like one big unit rather than a separation. I feel like I'm rambling at this point, but curious to what your thoughts are on this.
I too am an Oldboy, and like to think about this sort of thing! Watching some of Finn McKenty's videos definitely helped me process a lot of my feelings on this topic (even though he's had some absolutely brainless takes). When I listen to Jaden, or Lil Huddy, or Willow Smith's pop-punk albums, (and even MGK's album), I just feel that it's not for me. Like up to this point, pop-punk has been almost exclusively suburban working/middle class white dudes talking about their girl troubles, their home town and having fun with their friends. That stuff all felt like it was made for me exactly, I found it so relatable, like that was me dude! Now when Travis does a song with Trippie redd, or Willow, I might vibe with the song, but it's no longer something catered so closely to my experience. Anyone else feel this way?
So cool seeing everyone with serious banter back n forth bout somethin I grew up on beautiful pop punk created me and I forever will Defend pop punk shoutout MAN OVERBOARD I’m 33 and look I get it things are different and it’s all good ✊🏿
Me and my sister were literally talking about this yesterday, agree completely on everything here! I think Nominee just put out an INCREDIBLE album a few weeks ago! Really on par with some of Knuckle Puck, Neck Deep, and The Story So Far's best work over the last decade for me, it has that edge that those bands captured in their early work and I really think it's one of the best pop punk records this year!
This video has helped me. After being excited and let down by albums like 20/20 from KP and neck deeps latest I was confused what is happening why aren’t these bands hitting like they used to
I’m glad others feel the same way. I’ve struggled for a long time to connect with newer pop punk artists. Proper Dose by TSSF was really the last thing in the genre that I could really relate with. I’ve fallen out with SC’s stuff after Around the World and Back. I agree that a lot of the genre is trapped in nostalgia, the mainstream artists in it now only seem to be using it as a passing fad. I’d like to hear music that’s a little more grown up in content and sound. In my head I’d call it Adult Alternative Pop Punk.
38. Grew up in the late 90s and early 2000s going to shows. Best times of my young life. I don’t feel old. I feel grateful, I got to experience it all in real time, and I don’t have to manufacture nostalgia on UA-cam
I'm 28 so I've seen the waves of pop punk bands through the years and you're absolutely right about everything in this video. I was actually apart of one those nostalgic like bands that was kinda taking our influence and making it our core sound LOL and we were signed to Hopeless Records too. I think people are just tired of the same song structures and carbon copies honestly. We were really similar to Mayday Parade as far as sound and I think that's what put us on the scene but because it wasn't OUR sound, I think maybe that was what killed the band overall. I wasn't with the band for a year until they broke up so I don't exactly know. Ive been waiting for someone to put this kind of video out on pop punk and its current state in the world.
Don't get me wrong I like the music, but I am coming from a nostalgia trip. It's like how people who grew up in the 70s obsess over Greta van fleet. Are they good, sure, but the main appeal is it brings me back to my younger days. They are not pressing the boundaries or doing anything revolutionary. That's not to say it is bad or nostalgia doesn't have it's place but it feels just like how the movie industry isn't coming up with new movie ideas just mainly prequels, sequels, and remakes. we have an overabundance of nostalgia being tapped intoand not enough new ideas.
I completely agree man. I was born in 99, so I grew up w the 2nd wave pop punk as a kid and was a teen during the 3rd wave. I loved it so much during that time in 2015 era, still do, but it became stale very fast. I think that those bands hit a ceiling after releasing too many albums on these small labels, they should’ve aimed for something bigger and better. Anyway during that same exact time, rap really took off in my age group, such as future, young thug, ASAP, 21 savage, suicide boys, lil peep etc. Peep, xxxtentacion, juice wrld was the first to really mix trap and emo/pop punk, amazing music and super influential, but it was 80% trap, but that opened a gateway for all this trap and rap kids to get into emo/ pop punk. So fast forward, pop punk as we know it was completely “dead” in 2020. Travis barker and mgk took advantage of that void and breathed fresh air into pop punk that was a combination of both genres, and they single handedly brought pop punk back to the “mainstream” which is amazing. This new wave, I call it “4th wave pop punk”, maybe isn’t the best music, I compare it to neon pop punk of the late 00’s, but it is so impactful beyond belief. Mgk and Travis barker are the most influential pop punk artists in at least a decade. They have opened a door for a whole new generation of kids to get into pop punk and alternative heavy music in general, with a number 1 freakin album! that’s amazing! Remember this music isn’t made for 30 year olds, it’s for kids and teens and they love this new wave (jxdn, Kenny hoopla, sueco, iann Dior, etc.) so I will push back on your hate of the new wave. I truly do think it’s the healthiest thing for the genre and to keep pushing pop punk forward!
I think the gatekeeping people are doing on this new wave stuff is due to a couple things. 1. Everyone was waiting for a Nirvana-style breakthrough album from one of the scene bands, and that didn’t happen. We should realize that really can’t happen because we live in 2021, and scene bands are still promoting themselves the old-fashioned way, while all of this new-wave stuff is being promoted in the same way as rappers and popstars, with all the social media and doing collaborations. Of course they’re going to get more attention than scene bands. The fans want the pop punk artists they know get big, but it’s happening the other way around. Artists that are already big are transitioning into pop punk. And 2: Pop punk music hasn’t really been prevalent on the charts for 12 years, so right now it doesn’t have any credibility as a popular genre, and any pop punk song that gets on the charts is going to be compared to something from the past, because what else do we compare it to? If the new wave pop punk gets big enough and starts seeping onto the charts on a daily business and starts replacing rap, only then will people stop comparing it to the artists from the 00’s. So I push back on the hate too. So what if rappers are going pop punk? At least the kids are gonna start listening to pop punk again and we can finally start getting out of the shitty rap music era.
*Edit Is that a sleater-Kinney no cities to live poster? If it is I cannot believe this is the first time I’ve noticed it lmao; bands that I highly recommend that are pop punk or pop punk adjacent are meet me @ the altar, The menzingers, Salem, we were sharks, cold years.
Saw Jxdn open for MGK. It felt like I was watching someone do what they thought they should be doing as opposed to an artist getting up and doing what they were actually passionate about. He went to jump into the “mosh pit” and the fans had absolutely no idea what he was doing and they were too young so they couldn’t hold him up. It was a pretty embarrassing fiasco and I think that about sums up the state of the genre as a whole. As for the bands and artists that are giving me hope for the genre: definitely KennyHooplah, Waterparks, girlfriends & Mod Suns new album was pretty fire if you ask me. Just an opinion though
how old are mgk’s new fans damn. i’m going to see him, kennyhoopla, and jxdn and i want to mosh for real for real. just got back from a city morgue show
I still love listening to pop punk and it's still my favorite genre, but I completely agree with you here--I feel like the most talented bands that are emerging in the genre right now are becoming completely overshadowed by all of these 'new' solo artists who are acting like they rule pop punk now, and it really sucks that most of them aren't getting the attention they deserve. They're not all pop punk but here are some of my current band recommendations with some really badass female leads: Concrete Castles, Hot Milk, Behind the Facade, Conquer Divide, Dream State, Yours Truly and Stand Atlantic (both of which I know you've given praise for before but I still want to recommend them!) I also really love Grayscale and Movements, and I also still love The Maine, Mayday Parade and TSSF! My favorite band since 2015 has been Against The Current, and I know you don't listen to them, but I highly suggest checking out their new EP, maybe it'll change your mind about them!
It feels like music has always been this way. Popular music will always appropriate older/niche genres. Just support the smaller acts that you like and just hope they get the recognition they deserve.
I know that this band I'm going to mention is a bit bigger, but I currently love what Point North has been doing. Like they're songs just resonate a bit more with me than some of the other acts going around right now.
I’m not sure if they count as small bands but Mayday Parade and Waterparks are definitely ones to check out if you haven’t. Mayday just released a brand new album on the 19th
Thought I was the only one who felt the same way; you completely nailed this analysis and timeline. Lived through this exact same development and feeling. I’d love to be able to go back to that era.
Check out A Better Hand, Life Lessons, Rematch, Sleep On It, Hot Mulligan, Point North, AND Youth Fountain. To whoever loves the 2011-2016 era of Pop Punk. That angsty stuff at times
I feel there is no genuine emotion in pop punk, like, a lack of realism. Don’t get me wrong, it feels real, but when I look to MGK’s album, I don’t believe a word he says about his ex’s best friend and whatnot. There needs to be some genuine feelings of what an artist feels in his music, like, have they dealt with touching subjects and all that. Personally, shameless plug here, I want to try and touch on real subjects in my own pop punk music when I decide to get off my ass and release it.
Honestly, a lot of people might disagree with this, but I've really enjoyed Tyler Posey's(yes, the actor) music in relation to pop punk. I think he has a voice made for it, and I think he really has the spirit of the late 90s/00s era, but feels more genuine than others. That, plus his more personal lyrics, I just think it works.
I'm 39, entered the scene when Dookie and Smash came out. Been listing to everything from pop-punk to hardcore to metal, alternative, and hiphop and everything in between. I was pretty bored by the heavier side of music, and started listing to things like Dave Hause, Chuck Ragan, and Frank Turner.. Punkguys, but with an acoustic guitar... But these new kids got me back in the pop-punk world and I'm loving it. I heard something new when I first heard "My Ex's Best Friend"... It was pop punk, it had trapbeats... I really liked it. Love the KennyHoopla stuff, and the JXDN album is great.... But, and it's a big one... These guys don't do well live, saw some footage from JXDN and it was bad, really unwatchable. You can see he doesn't have the background in music, and hasn't been grinding the local stages for years. And to me that's biggest problem, everything sounds great in the studio, but that's only a part of making music imo
I been listening to Pop Punk for about 10 years and I really struggle to like anything after 2005 (with a few sceptions of course) , I feel like it lacks a lot of the "dumb" fun about it, mixed with the more important content,as well as production, I want it a little more raw sounding, but know a lot of it sounds a little to clean (more Pop than punk in a way)
Speaking as a non-fan, to me pop punk seemed to be the ultimate expression of being a juvenile, and juveniles grow old eventually. That's not meant to be a diss, the whole vibe and lyrical themes of pop punk celebrate youthful abandon. But when you grow older, have different life experiences or go down different paths, you invariably develop changes to the way you think and the way you enjoy things. And it's difficult to go back to rekindle the way you felt when you were ages 15-18. Mind you, this isn't restricted to pop punk. Plenty of other punk scenes and metal scenes have the same problem....we all get old man! Many of the problems that you list with pop punk like copies of copies, bland production, generic songwriting, etc., that happened to glam metal, grunge, New Wave and so on.
What's your take on the current state of pop punk? I can't seem to get on board with most of what's getting popular, but use the comments as a suggestion board for smaller bands you think we should all try out!
I just wish it was good and I hoped for so long but instead we got machine gun Kelly
Take it from me 30 is nothing to be scared of I'm 44 as you age you get more focused and confident within yourself to the point you know who you are & what's really important in life so thank God you reached to be the age you are and the ages you will be you are reaching a mile stone never forget that
Imo,take what you will. I'm 22 and I don't even believe pop punk exist, MCR is Rock straight. We never called this washed down "pop punk". You can't call them punk because even other artist don't acknowledge that they are punk, Billy from GD for Ex.
There is a band called winterhaven that I think has a lot of potential if put with the right label. Listen to Ted Cruz by them and you will be sold. Tell me what you think
408 is so lit, I frikin love them
Pop Punk is going nowhere when 90% of the mainstream already has clout from doing something completely different.
Jxdn - Tiktoker
MGK - Rap
Willow - born famous
LILHUDDY - Tiktoker
Maggie Lindemann - one hit wonder in 2017
This leads to zero creativity and innovation when you’ve already made it and know people are going to listen anyway. I think it’s pretty much impossible at this point for a newer scene band to break into the mainstream from the ground up, even if what they are doing is new and creative.
Willow may have been born to a famous family, she has done a great job to distance herself. She had the “Whip My Hair” go very well. She makes some of the best music I’ve heard. She definitely not part of the people who have clout for another reason.
i think you’re selling willow a bit short. just bc she was “born famous” doesn’t mean she was born with the talent she has harbored over the years. she’s seriously incredibly creative with her music and it absolutely doesn’t need to be discredited just bc her parents are famous. give her a chance and you’ll be very surprised.
@@emmanuelle2977 jaden and willow even dropped their last name for their artist named
I think Willow, though is trying to distance herself from the Smith name but she has the struggle of making it without leaning on her father. Similar to Janet Jackson, sure the name gives them connections a garage band won't have but they are also having to work harder because everyone will constantly point out they're famous family.
Wtf do you mean? Name one pop punk band that has brought something "totally new & fresh" to the table in the last 5 years after easy-core got burnt out.. there's not a breakdown pattern that hasn't been done, not a single stellar artist with genuine genuine star power thats drawing crowds from young kids.. JXDN is mainly an influencer, but cuz can sing & Travis is one hell of a songwriter & has such a great ear for what is to come while still having OG Credo. MGK did START as a rapper, but he's been playing warped tour for years & is a genuine fan of pop punk who i feel is just committing fully to the sound after experimenting with alternative music for well over 7 years.. (noone has ever said that you can only perform whatever style of music you started on, you'd all still be boping boy bands, classic rock, outdated punk or boomer metal & new ideas would not happen) I get that its harder & harder these days with the state of online music commerce to do something that is totally fresh & not played out. Having said that I believe that working with some of the best people in the game & not limiting yourself will always yield a better project & artists like MGK & Yungblud have been able to do that due to their previous following & working with the best songwriters in the game. I mean, how "cool" would it be if NFG was still writing songs about how tough highschool is & how jocks are assholes. Sometimes i feel like the middle aged audience of this genre forgot what got them here in the first place & have no cognitive thinking power to discern why the genre they "love" is dying.. SMH 🙄
As a member of Gen Z who grew up in the 2000s and heard a ton of pop punk music back then, I really just don't enjoy the new pop punk at all. All of the new pop punk artists really do just seem like TikTok kids and other random internet celebrities that get into music just to make a quick buck. It reminds me of how a few years ago, all the random internet celebrities would make like one rap song that would usually fail, but for some reason, the new trend seems to be pop punk, and even stranger, they seem to be finding some success. I really don't understand it at all, but I've never really been that into pop punk, so that might be part of it, but I don't think you need to be into that genre to see how soulless this new music is.
That’s because rich kids in Clabasas gentrified the genre
@@jackdotsontv True.
Try Lonely Avenue
yeah true first rap then pop punk .... thry just become genres to make a song to grab cash when ur not a musician
@@jackdotsontv dude you know nothing of the real pop punk scene. You have 0 idea what you’re talking about, the tik tok scene is it own thing but please get over yourself
I think mentioning how music is produced today is pretty important. I think pop punk isn't as raw as it used to be. It's way too clean and not distorted enough. I'm not really into that tbh. I like the rawness of older pop punk
Same I’ve been digging back into pop punk bands first albums and EP’s which are shitty in an amazing way. ADTR has some great old stuff
at this point modern pop punk makes old pop punk sound punk
Stand Atlantic, KennyHoopla, and Minority 905 are great bands and artists that I would recommend to anyone. They’re making great music and doing their own thing
Do you f w belmont?
I’m not trying to say the bands you listed aren’t talented/good to listen to, but the fact that you recommended those artists as an example of artists “doing their own thing” or a current state of the talent only reiterates the VAST divide that currently exists between the level of talent and ingenuity that was taking place in the early 2010s to now. The story so far, neck deep, real friends, state champs and knuckle puck at their height were the closest thing we’ve ever had to landing amongst the pioneers of the late 90s and early 2000s in modern era.
@@bruh8434 heavy!
@@bruh8434 never heard of them but I’ll check them out
@@codygoodwin1097 ok
As a 23 year old casual fan of the genre, I'm guessing a big reason why you're not seeing a lot of evolution is that people who want to get into pop punk keep getting pointed back to bands like Green Day, Blink-182, The Offspring, Paramore, Fall Out Boy, and My Chemical Romance and they don't get pointed towards new bands doing new things. So when someone my age goes to make a pop punk song (or naturally comes by one, as songwriting tends to go), there's a lot of new stuff they haven't heard and a lot of old stuff they're using as a direct influence. Like, I have no clue who any of the bands you mentioned from around 2015 are, but I've listened to From Under The Cork Tree, Nimrod, and Riot! in the past four years more times than I can count. My theory is once a genre hits the mainstream, it's not going to evolve as easily anymore, because it will become diluted with newer artists who are more inclined to imitate what got really popular than dig up something that hasn't been fully developed yet and put their own twist on it.
I'll agree with you there. I am a fan of the genre but for some reason there's a mental block to the new pop punk bands like The Story So Far or Knuckle Puck.
I think the key is when a genre goes mainstream then falls out of the public eye. Pop Punk had three massive and distinctive era’s in the mainstream which still define the genre today. There was the time of bands like Green Day and Offspring in the mid to late 90s. Then that of bands like Blink 182 and Sum 41 in the early 2000s. Then the more “emo” or “scene” phase of the mid to late 2000s with bands like Fall out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Panic! at the Disco etc etc. After this time the genre essentially faded away. Because of this kids stopped getting into the music and listened to other stuff, innovation slowed, and everything stagnated. The late 2000s was the last time Pop Punk was truly huge and I listed more artists for that last era for a reason. It seems to me that most people trying to evoke this genre nowadays pull from that much more than anything else, which makes sense because they likely grew up on it. No new bands came to replace them after that era faded away and anyone who wants to make pop punk music logically emulates that sound to identify themselves to the listener. If it was still a big mainstream sound then it would have evolved in the same way it did from The Offspring to Fall out Boy. Two completely different bands making two completely different styles of music from within the same genre. When instead of maintaining its popularity it fades to the background however, you get artists trying to harken back to the haydays almost two decades later because not very many people made that type of music.
I feel bad for doing this very thing. I'm a teen that's just gotten into pop-punk and the older bands are all I listen to. My dad introduced me to many of the bands you listen like Green Day and Blink. If anyone knows a younger, really good pop-punk band, please let me know!
Ehhh, I wouldn't categorize the Offspring as pop punk. They're more of a punk band that has put out a few pop-punk songs.
@@richgerow3472 Mm. I always thought of them as pop punk. They're certainly more pop than, say, Adolescents.
I only started getting into more modern pop punk bands in late 2018 - early 2019 and it makes me sad to know that I missed out on those "glory days."
seeing as you started the video talking about age and the video itself being about Pop Punk…….
MGK’s Pop Punk mentality be like: “31 is the new 15!”
As Alice Cooper one said ' Your only too old to rock when you feel your are.'
I feel pop punk is going through the same cycle that happened after its peak in mid-2000s and then its decline in popularity (and quality), the whole "neon pop punk era" (which I personally never liked). Still I do enjoy current bands like PUP, Spanish Love Songs, Heart Attack Man, Hot Mulligan, Origami Angel, Arm's Length and Bonsai Trees
The Neon Era kept me from outright saying I liked pop punk for awhile lol
definitely check out Kayak Jones if you haven't - they're like if Tiny Moving Parts and the Wonder Years had a baby
If you haven’t listened to them checkout the band Palette Knife. The album they dropped in January is very good it’s legit like if Hot Mulligan and Origami Angel had a babby
Bands like TSSF and TWY are amazing but other bands such as PUP, Heart Attack Man, Bearings, No Preasure, Belmont, Hot Mulligan, Idles and Those Without have been making great pop punk for a while now and they deserve so much recognition for keeping the genre truly alive even if only underground
All the ones you mentioned are awesome, even if I don’t think half of em are really pop punk!
Never heard IDLES called pop punk before.
Just listened to “Get the Need” by Bearings. I love it! It has that nostalgia feel, like traveling to and through the mountains on a fall/winter day.
Yeah, Bearings are pretty dope! Hannah loves em even more than me
@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 first time I heard bearings was around the time of their first album and my first impression was they sound like the love child of Transit and Jimmy eat world. I’ve loved them ever since
It seems like the pop punk songs that get traction nowadays have that same "I'm so sick of LA, all my friends are fake, I don't wanna clean my room today" laughable lyrics that get so stale.
holy shit you nailed it. they are all like that.
and that voice... oh my god that voice... i read these lyrics in "the voice" you know the one im talking about.
"YER ALRADDDYYY THE VOICE INSIDE MYYYY yyyyyyYYYEEDDDDDDD"
granted blink 182 was actually good.
Easily hot mulligan, they’re great, and I feel they’re more unique than most pop punk bands these days. Heart attack man has elements of pop punk, but I wouldn’t say they’re exactly pop punk, but they’re still worthy of checking out. Would love to see a review of “In thoughtz and prayerz”.
Yeah, they're pretty good.
Yeah I love Hot Mulligan, I guess they are kinda pop punk eh? I’ve talked about them several times on the channels!
@@beyondartv yeah both bands were the only good “pop punk” bands that around that I could think of. I completely agree with you though on the video, pop punk just feels boring now, and I was never even one who loved pop punk but I cam tell it’s been lacking over the past few years.
Hot mulligan is the hottest band rn
@@marshallsparts8783 pup tho? they have 0 bad songs
Hot Milk is definitely my favourite emerging pop punk band right now
They got bangers!
I think I hate myself is number one on my on repeat playlist 😁
I'd agree pop punk had a rocky time from 2016-2020 but i think we're starting to see a shift and i expect a bunch of new bands/artists to start blowing up pretty soon
I think the biggest problem for me is the modern pop punk sound is way too clean. It's too poppy. MGK is the best example of that for me. Like his songs are decent but they don't have that same character as say NFG or blink or Sum41 or even neck deep. It's just overly produced to the point it's kinda what I would expect Coldplay to write if they had a pop punk song. Does that make sense?
Exactly
Lol have you heard any blink songs ?since Travis their most successful song have been a lot poppier then some of MGK song ,I miss you is pure pop .Papercut one of MGK’s hit ,it’s way heavier .And I listen to pop punk to post hardcore to metal but MGK is not poppier then blink at the time .
This video basically sums it up for me. I've fallen out of love with pop-punk for a while now mainly because of how repetitive the sub genre has gotten. Can't even really think of any
new up-and-coming bands that have a fresh sound. Hell, the last full on pop-punk album I heard was New Found Glory's latest record from last year and at best, I thought that album was okay.
If you guys have any suggestions on some great, new pop-punk acts, please let me know.
belmont for sure is a great band
Knuckle puck
@@maxwellarnessio5938 Belmont really is carrying the weight in the genre and their not talked about enough yet but their I believe their going to be the key to getting people excited again. W the exception of their cover they just put out (ehh). But the new album is very promising
i recomend heart attack man they already have some pretty solid material IMO and they have a new record coming out next month
I totally feel that. I’d listen to “Meet me @the alter” and a REALLY small brand new band “Keep Your Secrets” (that’s a shameless self plug I hate myself lol)
I think Meet me @ the altar is worth mentioning. They don't really sound like other pop punk bands, but have that classic sound. So I think they are worth a shot !!
They’re like 2010’s easycore.
This whole video is literally everything i've tried to express, so many times, about the new generation of pop punk. It gets me really mad that those already-and-previously-famous artists are getting so much space and attention, while the small pop punk bands that had been around for a little longer can't, in fact, be recognised as they should. I've grown up with pop punk bands playing all around and I'm very nostalgic about it, but definitely is a lot cringy the way that people are emulating the pop punk glory to the younger Gen Z (I'm also a Gen Z, I was born in the firsts years of the generation, so I got the chance to go with the emo years and sutff).
There's something missing in those artists, it truly feels like they'll just drop out pop punk in the very second the genre stop being something they can get a lot of money from it.
This is really feeling like the dubstep and electro house boom on the late 2000s/early 2010s, where the genre came out from its baby steps as pretty underground yet popular on the EDM and party cycles to worldwide phenomenons; and suddenly you started to see every pop act out there, sometimes even rock bands (hello Korn) and rappers (hello Flo Rida), suddenly having electro house elements and/or dubstep drops in their songs
And then once dubstep and electro's mainstream popularity and appeal slowly but surely started to wane from the radio and it went back to the circles where they originated (yeah the EDM circle is absolutely massive but it is still its own circle), every pop artist dropped the EDM sound faster than a lightning in a bottle and started going after the next booming sound to adapt, and I'm just afraid this is gonna happen to pop punk; it'll be this popular thing on social media, fashion and music for a while, and once it stops being "it", pop punk will just go back to what it was, its own scene.
I'm 28 years old; i was all over the 2010s pop punk scene like Modern Baseball when i was in my early 20s but i'm just a general punk fan now. My issue with a lot of zoomer pop punk like MGK and Lil Lotus is how insanely overproduced it is. I want some gnarly, raspy, underproduced emopunk like we got from Jawbreaker or even Alkaline Trio.
some of mgk’s shit is raspy and lil lotus has a band where he screams called if i die first which is somehow more popular than himself as an emo rapper so he’s doing something right with the band
I'm dying for a revival of the From Here to Infirmary/Good Mourning Alk3 sound
I haven't listened to pop punk since middle school, that being said, I am now a bassist in a pop punk band. We have a metalhead guitarist, punk drummer, singer songwriter as the front man, and myself, a prog rock/prog pop enthusiast on bass. We'll see how this turns out but at least it won't sound like every other pop punk band🤷♂️ I'm thinking the goal is to be in an ARTV video one day lol
Parker Cannon from The Story So Far has a side project called No Pressure. That really in my opinion captures the magic of the Under Soil and Dirt / What You Don't See era. While not just being a being of a clone of their past self.
For me a lot of stuff culminated to sort of send pop punk downward. Especially with 3 of my favorite bands.
My favorite band Modern Baseball (basically) broke up in 2017. And while Jakes new band Slaughter Beach Dog is incredible. They're an indie rock band at their core for sure.
The Story So Far put out their last album in 2018, and like you said the sound went a really different direction. A good one. But different. Again, check out No Pressure. Because I'm not sure where Story so Far is going from here on out.
Turnover put out their best album in 2015 Peripheral Vision. Which ended up being massively influential. I saw a ton of bands that formerly did pop punk turn into this shoegaze direction. And their next album Altogether was even more of a departure from their sound.
Two bands I really like Movements and Citizen are still doing the sound justice, but those big three above for me really were the death knell for the pop punk revival. Along with Warped Tour shutting down.
And now Gen-Z is seeing MGK as the biggest name in pop punk. And how could I ever blame them for not liking the genre after that? It's like if someone put Blink-182 in a copy machine and printed the copy on newspaper.
Also The Wonder Years changed their sound drastically and maybe even the departure of Real Friend's frontman (though I know Jon never liked them)
@@saulomarruizgarcia2408 I should've mentioned The Wonder Years for sure. Never quite hitting that same incredible peak as The Greatest Generation again and moving another direction.
No pressure absolutely rips
no pressure is pretty good but its honestly the same album we've gotten for the last 20 years from a lot of bands.
I wish smaller bands would be blowing up to lead a trend rather than already established artists jumping onto the sound for clout
This is the exact issue i have with this all
I guess a positive though is that some of the kids enjoying this stuff will dig deeper and discover the pop punk underground
@@Sergio-nb4hj I just feel like everyone's talking about "pop punk coming back", but how is a genre movement meant to be sustained if the only people in it are already established artists? Without new bands leading a movement and keeping it popular, its gonna instantly crash as soon as the bigger artists get bored of it
How can artists be jumping into the sound for clout when pop punk hasn't been popular or mainstream since 2007/2009?
i mean this is just the entire problem with the pop punk scene in general anyways, it easily has some of the worst gatekeepers of any genre. pop punk guys will simultaneously rip on pop musicians and then turn around and record in a multi-million dollar studio, and will trash talk anyone who doesnt/cant. its weird.
I feel like the best bands in the current “pop punk” scene are actually the ones that are only really pop punk adjacent. Bands like Movements, Spanish Love Songs, and Hot Mulligan are considered by many to be “pop punk”, but they definitely also lean into the emo lane as well. Similarly bands like Microwave lean into hardcore, and bands like Future Teens lean into pop. I recommend all these bands to anyone who has lost faith in the more by the books pop punk. Especially Future Teens since they are by far the least know of those, and deserve to be so much bigger.
Exactly what I was getting at! The best pop punk bands aren’t even fully pop punk a lot of the time, they’re hybrid not always purebred
Pop Punk is a big umbrella. Emo is essentially a cousin, the link from pop-punk to goth, your jump from Blink 182 to the Sisters of Mercy, it's totally Alkaline Trio, but they are also very much punk-post-punk-pop-punk. Spanish Love Songs is the sadder side of Pop Punk but totally pop punk musically.
Hi Jon! I'm not 30, I'm 18, but I have a close friend in the scene who is 31. When he turned 30, I told him to think of 30 as the new 20. 30 is still young
yess dude! in the same boat!
If we’re counting Spanish Love Songs as pop punk then that’s literally the only pop punk of the past few years that I’d say is worth listening to.
I can't stand Spanish love songs lol please no
It’s like you took the words straight out of my mouth. I was just having this exact conversation with my bf the other day. I felt bad because I’m like, am I being a boomer about this? I just really don’t like the new stuff at all. But then I realized the genre, despite going through so many changes, has been around for decades and still managed to be…good. So what happened? It’s so overproduced/soulless.
So I just posted something about this on Reddit.
I think we need pop punk to grow up with with the fans. Most of us are hitting the dirty thirties now and none of us are getting younger. We've got the girl, we have settled in our town and we don't lock ourselves in our room anymore. It's an issue that the fans who were buying their albums now can't really relate to the music anymore. Keep the endless summer feel and update your lyrics to be more relatable for people in their 30s and you'll have hits.
People don't wanna be rolling around windows down sounding like a teeny bopper anymore.
One of the biggest reasons why this is happening, is because we're in the midst of the second psychedelic renaissance. Many artists have shifted their focus from being genuine to their genre, to focusing on the unity of our species. This is apparent with the genre bouncing from artists that wouldn't normally create pop-punk, to the pop punk artists using elements that pop-punk wouldn't normally use. I personally think that it's a full circle mentality that promotes the idea that anyone can, and should, do, use and experiment with everything they can involving art and expression. As our species evolves, I think that idea is important and beautiful. I'm glad to see anyone who wants to make pop-punk do it. Everyone's invited to the party.
Pop punk reached saturation in the 2000's... I rarely heard that stuff after the 2010's
Stand Atlantic is one of the best newer bands in my book and a sign of how a pop-punk band can grow and progress without repeating itself or losing touch. Skinny Dipping was arguably their break-thru and classic pop-punk sound, Pink Elephant took a BIG leap forward and took me a few listens to connect, butvis also excellent and points them toward future growth.
Also, not new, but Greyscale impressed me when i saw them earlier this year as well
I feel the same way as I grew up with many pop punk bands, like Blink-182, Green Day, and modern ones like Neck Deep, Boston Manor, however, I personally think that many of them bands do have good tendencies to change their sounds like the elements on Blink-182’s ‘NINE’ for example, even if it’s not like their older albums, but it’s nice to have different styles, but I hate how many pop artists that try to bring pop-punk into their songs, especially these modern pop artists and it just doesn’t work for me, especially MGK and some of Miley Cyrus’ material, and I have my moments when it comes to Pop-Punk, especially classing the older Busted and McFly music as pop-punk, and even older Weezer, perhaps, because I think they have more great classic pop-punk songs unlike anyone else out there in the Pop-Punk genre these days.
Totally agree.
For me I think the experience was the thing that made pop punk back then felt so much better. Discovering by actually doing research on myspace, going to gigs, warped tour, and genuinity of the lyrics which makes the angsty vibes felt real. Nowadays everything felt easy, easy to market songs, easy to find them so it became quite mass marketed. Idk if my words make sense but yeah i agree I find it to be quite difficult to get into new bands these days
I think Seaway should be more recognized. They have solid songs and they're latest album is a banger
I honestly didn’t get into their new album much, but I can respect some of their stuff
The newest album was surprisingly good. I think they must’ve had their finger on the pulse and decided to go with a sound that’s pop punk but with a more altpop approach. It worked in their favor
I'm waiting for a young band to take the reins of pop punk and outrun this 'nostalgia' trend once for all, I feel like the spot is there desperately waiting for a band to take it
I really think Stand Atlantic and Meet me @ the Altar are some great bands just trying to connect with pop punk fans and make great music.
meet me at the altar is one of the worst musical acts i have ever had the displeasure of witnessing. the fact that they're even popular is pretty much what this video is about.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who seems to be not onboard with this current pop punk scene. In fact, I’ve been thinking about what you are saying in this video almost everyday. This scene has gotten old, to me, pretty fast, and it only just started. There’s nothing that stands out to me (albeit KennyHoopla and “PartyCrasher” by LiLHUDDY are cool). Probably due to the lack of originality. Same could apply to the metalcore scene, as well, in how generic and paint - by - numbers it has gotten. There’s a few out there, but I wouldn’t classify them as “straight - up metalcore”.
Honestly, I grew out of the two, but I still look for stuff that peaks my interest. My taste has evolved into more raw, heavier/softer, experimental type of music; inaccessible, to say the least.
The Defend Pop Punk scene seemed genuine, felt like a community, and had a, somewhat, DIY aesthetic attached to it. This new one feels monopolized, corporate, and soulless, latching on to the cliches of the genre, as a whole, and lacking the rawness and heart that DPP and the original ‘00s pop punk had. Now, ‘00s pop punk was corporate, but it at least had something to offer and bands that gave a crap about what they made.
I agree with what you said. Pop Punk hasn’t been great for the past five years or so. It’s hard to find modern pop punk bands to rave about. They are bands that incorporate pop punk into their music like Spanish Love Songs, Heart Attack Man and Free Throw but there aren’t any full on pop punk bands that aren’t doing anything interesting
for me Pop Punk and maybe all rock genres died since 2010.
I do appreciate the Pop Punk scene during my teen years (with MCR, Yellowcard, Green Day etc.) because they are easy to get into but as I became an adult (now already in my 30s), I wanted to hear something different.
I totally agree. To me it just feels like pop punk has gotten so generic lately. Personally I feel like some bands that can pull off the pop punk sound good are MxPx, Sum-41 (though they do have kind of a heavier sound now they’re still killing it) maybe Good Charlotte and blink, and zebrahead are definitely a killer band still releasing great music. But you made great points Jon 👍
Sum 41 still putting out bangers like Goddamn I'm Dead Again and Out for Blood makes me so happy to know that at least one band made it through and continues to push forward.
This would kind of explain why musicians still active today that have been a huge part of pop-punk's rise in the late 90's (like Tom DeLonge) are not really writing or playing pop-punk anymore. The genre is so dry and generic right now. I wish bands like The Story So Far were making new music.
Not sure if you know, but State Champs put out two new singles recently and they are absolutely phenomenal.
But I don’t think it’s you getting older, Tik Tok is definitely ruining this genre and I feel like you put it perfectly.
As an old punk in his late 40's now, I find a lot of the problem being that new bands only go back so far for their influences. There actually was pop-punk before Green Day and Blink 182. No one listens to the older bands that came before, like the late 80s/early 90's Lookout Records roster. Seems to me that a lot of younger pop-punk fans don't listen to Screeching Weasel, The Mr. T Experience, Cringer, J Church, Moral Crux, the Vindictives, etc. And go back even further to the roots - the Ramones! Their influences were the old rocknroll bands of the 50's and 60's. Fans today seem to listen to one particular sound and that's it! I tried sharing older pop-punk tunes with someone who looooves All Time Low, but she didn't really seem to care to hear anything that didn't have that high, nasally vocal range. And I don't mind that sound in small doses as long as there's solid hooks and songs, but to ignore everything that came before, when there was less of a formula to follow and more of a balance between the "punk" and "pop" aspects, well, that's just sad. If bands today are only going to be influenced by sounds of the past 20 years, then they may be painting themselves into a corner. I really try not to be a jaded listener, giving new bands a shot when I find 'em, but it's hard to get excited by bands who are obviously trying soooo hard to simply ape what just came before them.
I 100% agree with you. I missed a lot of the pop punk scene, and honestly that makes me really sad. I started listening in 2017-2018 when I was 12/13. I went to two dates on the last warped tour, and really did get to enjoy it's last good year in 2018, and even a little in 2019. But between social media like tik tok, and the pandemic, the scene just isn't what it was. There's very little bands that I actually listen to the new music of, even those of which I consider my FAVORITE bands. My top streamed albums are still those like LNOTGY by neck deep, MTPITSAWJC by real friends, Cinematics by set it off, Best Buds by mom jeans, Copacetic by knuckle puck, Feel Something by movements, The Finer Things by state champs, etc etc. I'm not sure that's entirely all "pop punk", but it goes for some albums that stray away from pop punk like This Could Be Heartbreak by the amity affliction and ruiner by nothing,nowhere. All of these albums I've been listening to for years and as the bands release more music that doesn't change significantly. My favorite band is as it is and while they're certainly not on the same level as most of those bands I still actually like all their new music. They scared me with the singles from their new album, it sounded like they were going the same route, but when the album released it was actually really good. I just wish the scene could be revived again, and certainly not from people like MGK. Some of these bands have changed their sound successfully, and others just don't even sound authentic anymore. I can't find any good newer pop punk bands except maybe hot muligan, if they're even considered "newer" anymore.
To sum up, I would have done anything to have been 15-16 in 2015 instead of in 2019
100% feel you on this one, there’s definitely been a steady decline unfortunately over the last couple of years, 2 new bands I’d definitely recommend right now if your looking for some bands with that classic pop-punk style would be Koyo and Stand Still, both are from Long Island, NY and are formed out of members from Multiple bands from the Long Island Hardcore scene, definitely recommend checking both out
Koyo is where it’s at
The final segment about Old Pop Punk bands NEEDED to be said…
I think the disconnect is mainly understanding what pop punk is supposed to be vs what people think it is. Pop Punk is punk music that uses the similar melodies and writing tactics of what is popular in the mainstream. It’s always been that way, but I felt like most pop punk from the 2010s, minus a few acts, didn’t have too much going for them and were just rehashed from the hayday of the genre and didn’t really enhance upon the genre. They forgot that pop punk is supposed to be trendy. Now that these new or older artists are doing just that, it just sounds disingenuous and creates a disconnect from old to new. It’s definitely jarring to say the least, but it’s just a new generation for a new crowd. We can wine and tear it apart all we want, but at the end of the day it’s just pop punk being pop punk. We don’t have to like everything the genre brings us
Definitely PUP. They’re one of my all-time favorite bands.
I’d call them more punk than pop punk, but yes for sure! Loveeeeee PUP, Morbid Stuff was my AOTY in 2019
It sounds like it was Emo Rap that caused your disconnect. Think about it in 2015 was the first big wave of emo rappers starting to blow up and tbh they took a lot of the pop punk fan base, especially younger kids who would have listened to bands. However artists like Peep, Juice, Bones, Trippie, Uzi, Nothing Nowhere, XXX ect where just had more star power and where making a new style of music fusing emo and hip hop. So it makes sense that the emo rap influence on modern pop punk is huge and not going anywhere. I think the genre is lucky to have these social media stars making pop punk. It’s becoming mainstream again and that’s only going to continue to happen if these kind of artists make it. You will still always have a strong underground of course that won’t change. But we need stars in our scene to spread it to new fans and help people get into alternative.
Personally it was these small solo artists vaguely tying pop punk and rap that got me huge into pop punk now. I started listening to lil peep in 2016, a lot of his contemporaries like lil lotus, nothing nowhere, and Wicca phase a bit after that. The way peep would sample the story so far and modern baseball, or lil lotus sampling real friends, or døves sampling foxing were always my favorite songs by them. Once I got huge into Wicca Phase I went back and listened to Tigers Jaw bc I loved Adam so much, and from there I was sucked into like all of Run for Cover core and neck deep, TSSF etc. Now I’m seeing things about “pop punk becoming mainstream again” and I just can’t get any of it, it all feels really artificial. I actually really liked the recent nothing nowhere album, and even the new lil lotus album had its moments, and I think that has to do with the late 2010s “emo rap” artists having a legitimate connection to more recent pop punk, and not just the classic era pop punk people are nostalgic for. I may have grown out of people like lil peep, but he did have legitimate love for pop punk. I’m not super familiar with X or Juice but both of their deaths too left a void of somewhat pop punk touched rap that was a clear market for already established people to just come in and take over. Very sad to see bands huge in the underground pop punk scene like hot mulligan being overshadowed HEAVILY by mgk, jxdn, etc.
I was a pop punk elitist and only listened to music with real instruments back in 2017. Pop punk was already dying and I was listening to like deathcore/ slam shit and when I found that “ emo rap “ thing . I abandoned all genres . I messed around and got lil lotus’ signature tatted on me in 2018 ( proud to say I’m the first to ever get it , now he’s blowing up everybody be getting it ) . I got into real actual trap music which was u know the typical smashing ur girl , jewelry , money , drugs . I’m now trying to get back into pop punk . Music scene in general is dying . That Emo rap stuff ain’t even hit as hard as it did back in 2017-2018.
@@yattahippyoh7806 lol lotus switched up lol I mean I used to be his biggest fan . I FaceTimed him , he knows who I am type shit. Followed me back on Instagram back in early 2020. I even admitted to me that he wanted to go pop so he can get to the bag. I respect that but I’m trying to get his name that’s tatted on me covered up . He’s the only one that I would say is one of the kings of that genre . He doesn’t even rap tbh , he’s just pop punk on 808s and trap drums. He said many times before that he’s not a rapper . So it’s weird how u call him a rapper . He’s singing on trap beats . He has no bars too IF he’s a rapper 😂 lil xan and lil pump got more bars than him . So he’s essentially a singer . But lotus went downhill tbh.
Absolutely!!! I feel like so many artists (and record labels, for that matter), are way too concerned with singles, records sold, and radio friendly hits, quite honestly, too many in the latter. Like I've said before, give the people what they want: quality music, lyrics with actual meaning, people putting so much blood, sweat, and tears effort.. and there are so many new sounds of punk guitar that have yet to be heard... but nevertheless, you nailed it right on the head with this vid...
Who’s the band from the clip that shows at 8:00?
Belmont!
I am a gen Z person(I am 22). Although I was very young back in the aughts and became a teen in the early 2010s, I was glad to listen to pop punk albums of those eras.
I feel embarassed to call myself gen Z.Sure I was a newborn when Blink 182 released Enema of the state and was 8 when R!ot came out, but pop punk was one of those genres that shaped what type of music I was into and even as an adult.I feel like I am way too young to call myself a millinenial but old enough to remember pop punk of the mid to late 2000s.
Neck Deep's album "Life's Not Out to Get You" is my favorite punk album ever
Hey John , I hope you are doing well. Yesterday, I found a feature of Pitchfork's 200 most important artists of the first 25 years . Some of the artists on the list that I found both surprising and not surprising. I was wondering if you can make a reaction video about this list. I would like to hear your thoughts.
I come from a little older poppunk background with No Use for a Name, NOFX, Propagandhi, Millencolin, Adhesive and a little band called Randy. So amazing. Lately I’ve discovered The Strikeouts and Pour Habitz.
I've been so out of touch with the genre for years now but was an avid follower of it back when I was in my teens to mid 20s. Heck, I've been out of touch of music in general in recent years since I got older (I'm 28 right now) and my life got more complicated because of work stuff and my hobbies have shifted to gaming and the only music I listen to these days are video game osts from retro and indie games, Japanese pop/rock, and 1980s synthpop/new wave. I don't even know what's going on with music these days anymore and I kind of don't care but I can see how it's generic.
I’m about the same age as you and for the most part I think I’ve aged out of liking pop-punk. I also came up on Green Day, blink-182, Offspring, et al, but largely stopped paying attention to newer pop-punk bands after the mid/late 00s. I didn’t even give much attention to the bands that cropped up in the early 2010s during the “defend pop punk” movement that were popular on Tumblr. I’ve grown and changed as a person, and my tastes have grown and changed. I have a much lower tolerance for whiny, nasal vocals as an adult and it just doesn’t hit me or resonate with me like it did when I was 14.
Oh man, 2015 was really a good year for pop-punk music. Back on Top by the Front Bottoms, the last Motion City Soundtrack album, Neck Deep's LNOTGY as you said, takes me back to high school
I think neck deep is in this weird phase some bands go through where after they blow up kinda lose some interest and most of the bigger fans of the artist stick around if that makes sense Idk probably doesn't
I totally get where your coming from. The pop punk scene was full of vibrant young bands only a few years ago has been completely usurped by likes of MGK. Even the UK pop punk Facebook group seemed to completely die off after a while. I think bands having to split up or kick out members due to allegations and bigger names like Creeper, Boston Manor and Remo Drive changing styles hasn't helped either.
its not just allegations but a lot of the people in those bands are actually creepy as f, i watched pretty much my entire local pop punk scene get dismantled as people starting talking about how creepy/just generally bad people the band members were. this is a really weird phenomenon but it seems to be happening all over and still happens even with newer pop punk bands around here lol. its a lot of creepy dudes trying to capitalize on a style of music that they think will garner them attention or money or whatever. its hardly music anymore.
I’m probably too old (37!) to be in the know really, but I still love pop punk just like I did in high school when Enema of the State came out and all. I got a couple bands for everyone, though neither is strictly pop punk, more pop punk adjacent: Arm’s Length (more on the emo side) and If I Die First (more MySpace screamo). Both bands are fairly small but both are just insanely good. I highly recommend both if you haven’t heard them.
if i die first rules!!
Where's that Flux by Poppy review 🤔
I feel like two bands I like that sort of ride in the pop punk kind of lane I'm really vibing at the moment are Stand Atlantic and PUP. Both of them have relatively distinct vibes to them compared to the Travis Barker pop punk of a lot of the big stuff. Also I'm really interested in where Yours Truly is going after their newest track Walk On My Grave.
I also think I've moved on over time to more pub rock for my catharsis overall but that's probably because of how big bands like Dune Rats and Violent Soho are over here in Australia.
Australian bands have obviously evolved too but are still releasing GREAT pop-punk / alt rock music which deserves more attention. Bands like Stand Atlantic, With Confidence, Yours Truly, Between You & Me, The Dead Love, Bellwether, Down For Tomorrow, Teenage Joans & Clay J Gladstone. Outside of Aus I think KennyHoopla, Meet Me @ The Altar, Action/Adventure, Heart Attack Man and Hot Mulligan are producing some of the best music that we've heard in the genre for a while.
australia has the only real punk scene right now as far as i can tell whether thats hardcore punk or pop punk..
We need a Sunrise Skater Kids version of the pop punk revival
Belmont comes readily to mind when I think of pop punk trying to think outside the box in a way most bands haven’t thought of.
I wouldn’t call Belmont pop punk really much at all these days
There's not a ton of incredible pop punk bands as of late but the some that I've always found fantastic are:
Hot Milk(?), In Her Own Words, The Home Team(?), Between You And Me, Broadside, Stand Atlantic, Point North, and Meet Me @ The Altar
as well as some artists doing some cool emo/pop punk stuff like Maggie Lindemann, Jake Hill & Josh A, Mod Sun, and Poorstacy
Hot Milk and Point North are really fucking great.
@@samduymelinck HELL YEAHHHHH
I saw MM@TA in concert they were good
This was such a good take. Totally agree
Thanks!
The only band I totally recommend and follow from 2015- Present is Against the Current. For me they’ve been consistently great. But don’t get much exposure or praise on what they do. They pretty much just have a cult following at this point but really something like getting on a major tour as a opening act would be amazing for them. Opening for Paramore or even like F. O. B. Would help boost them a little. I mean they’re killing it overseas. They’re upgrading venues in Europe but they don’t have the notoriety they should have in the states outside and barely sell out small clubs. While they wait for festivals to become a thing again.
Also their current EP is great and they teamed up with Bring Me the Horizon to help with some of the songwriting and it helped tremendously.
Just saw ATC for the fourth time the other night and it was easily my favorite concert I've ever been to! I've been following them as long as you have and I 100% agree, they've always been great and I've really enjoyed watching them grow over the years.
I'm not super into pop punk but I'm your age and was very into the Canadian indie rock scene in the 2000s growing up and into the 2010s, and I feel very much the same about it. I don't even really know where to look for new artists and the last crop of big acts are ones that peaked several years ago too. Indie went through that big bump around the early 2010s and then sort of fell away after that. I feel like a lot of the problems with these subgenres have to do with how streaming has changed music. It's so insanely hard for these mid-size bands to get traction with how the industry works now. Most of the media outlets that broke new artists before either don't exist anymore or are irrelevant and nothing has replaced them except algorithms. Also it feels like nobody is interested just in "hey this band makes enjoyable music" anymore, everyone needs some sort of shtick or story to get social media interested in them. With pop punk specifically, it's like an aesthetic for these TikTok kids to try on while they don't really care about it. Idk man, everything is weird now.
Hey Jon, you made some great points. I remember your reaction to our first single "What's Your Name?" in one of your live streams and we were so happy that you were into it. We’re a fairly new pop-punk band that started last year, so we hope our music adds something refreshing to your playlists :)
As a fan of pop punk WAY before it started to become popular again, I absolutely LOVE that pop punk is making a rise again, with all the new hip hop artists dipping their toe in it. Although I completely agree it's just not the same anymore... It feels different and feels like these hip hop artists are just following a new trend, more than them having a genuine love for the genre. I will say Mod Suns new album, Internet Killed the Rockstar is really good and I can tell he has genuine love for the genre. Not only did he say it but I can feel it on the album, it really shows
i cannot tell you how many people i personally know who used to make rap and then slowly started to try to turn it into pop punk once they saw MGK doing it. its so cringe. these people are more sheep-like than your typical mainstream listener.
@@burnerphone5415 so true
Hey Jon! First time seeing your videos. I am your age, and resonate with how you feel about the current state of pop punk. I do also feel like I'm just not listening to as much music anymore, so I might just be getting old. However! I think a major part of this whole thing is missing. I don't feel like the peak of pop punk (2010-2015) was because of the music as much as you think it was. I believe that it was more of a sense of community. There was something really awesome when bands starting getting together and would comment on other bands and get together with them. I wonder if, in this day of technology and tiktok and everyone having the chance of being famous, there's a sense of isolation due to it. There's something real when you see All Time Low ft Vic from PTV, and seeing a warped tour show in Marysville, CA in 2008 (you can find it on youtube!) when the singer of Mayday Parade had to fly home for a family emergency, and different singers came up for different songs like Vic Fuentes, Alex Gaskarth, Travis Clark, and even the duo from Four Year Strong! Amazing! Don't see a lot of that now. I really think its just that sense of community, starting all the way from the bottom like DIY shows being hosted at your local VFW/American Legion/Whatever, to the bigger shows. Its that sense of intimacy, and being part of something so much more than just the music and the band. The fans and bands really felt like one big unit rather than a separation. I feel like I'm rambling at this point, but curious to what your thoughts are on this.
I too am an Oldboy, and like to think about this sort of thing! Watching some of Finn McKenty's videos definitely helped me process a lot of my feelings on this topic (even though he's had some absolutely brainless takes). When I listen to Jaden, or Lil Huddy, or Willow Smith's pop-punk albums, (and even MGK's album), I just feel that it's not for me. Like up to this point, pop-punk has been almost exclusively suburban working/middle class white dudes talking about their girl troubles, their home town and having fun with their friends. That stuff all felt like it was made for me exactly, I found it so relatable, like that was me dude! Now when Travis does a song with Trippie redd, or Willow, I might vibe with the song, but it's no longer something catered so closely to my experience. Anyone else feel this way?
Modern pop punk sucks outside of JEFF ROSENSTOCK, he’s a truly great musician and already has a say for best Pop Punk artist ever.
I wouldn't say he's pop punk hahaha maybe that's the reason why critics seem to love him.
@@saulomarruizgarcia2408 He is, but he’s just much more mature and self conscious than pretty much everyone one.
So cool seeing everyone with serious banter back n forth bout somethin I grew up on beautiful pop punk created me and I forever will Defend pop punk shoutout MAN OVERBOARD I’m 33 and look I get it things are different and it’s all good ✊🏿
Me and my sister were literally talking about this yesterday, agree completely on everything here! I think Nominee just put out an INCREDIBLE album a few weeks ago! Really on par with some of Knuckle Puck, Neck Deep, and The Story So Far's best work over the last decade for me, it has that edge that those bands captured in their early work and I really think it's one of the best pop punk records this year!
Checked them out and it's dope. Check out chunk no Captain Chunk
@@PissedOffProducer saw Chunk for the first time in 2013 and their newest album is a top 10 record for me this year! Appreciate the recommend! :)
This video has helped me. After being excited and let down by albums like 20/20 from KP and neck deeps latest I was confused what is happening why aren’t these bands hitting like they used to
I’m glad others feel the same way. I’ve struggled for a long time to connect with newer pop punk artists. Proper Dose by TSSF was really the last thing in the genre that I could really relate with. I’ve fallen out with SC’s stuff after Around the World and Back.
I agree that a lot of the genre is trapped in nostalgia, the mainstream artists in it now only seem to be using it as a passing fad. I’d like to hear music that’s a little more grown up in content and sound. In my head I’d call it Adult Alternative Pop Punk.
Jeff Rosenstock might be the artist for you then.
38. Grew up in the late 90s and early 2000s going to shows. Best times of my young life. I don’t feel old. I feel grateful, I got to experience it all in real time, and I don’t have to manufacture nostalgia on UA-cam
I'm 28 so I've seen the waves of pop punk bands through the years and you're absolutely right about everything in this video. I was actually apart of one those nostalgic like bands that was kinda taking our influence and making it our core sound LOL and we were signed to Hopeless Records too. I think people are just tired of the same song structures and carbon copies honestly. We were really similar to Mayday Parade as far as sound and I think that's what put us on the scene but because it wasn't OUR sound, I think maybe that was what killed the band overall. I wasn't with the band for a year until they broke up so I don't exactly know. Ive been waiting for someone to put this kind of video out on pop punk and its current state in the world.
Don't get me wrong I like the music, but I am coming from a nostalgia trip. It's like how people who grew up in the 70s obsess over Greta van fleet. Are they good, sure, but the main appeal is it brings me back to my younger days. They are not pressing the boundaries or doing anything revolutionary. That's not to say it is bad or nostalgia doesn't have it's place but it feels just like how the movie industry isn't coming up with new movie ideas just mainly prequels, sequels, and remakes. we have an overabundance of nostalgia being tapped intoand not enough new ideas.
I completely agree man. I was born in 99, so I grew up w the 2nd wave pop punk as a kid and was a teen during the 3rd wave. I loved it so much during that time in 2015 era, still do, but it became stale very fast. I think that those bands hit a ceiling after releasing too many albums on these small labels, they should’ve aimed for something bigger and better. Anyway during that same exact time, rap really took off in my age group, such as future, young thug, ASAP, 21 savage, suicide boys, lil peep etc. Peep, xxxtentacion, juice wrld was the first to really mix trap and emo/pop punk, amazing music and super influential, but it was 80% trap, but that opened a gateway for all this trap and rap kids to get into emo/ pop punk. So fast forward, pop punk as we know it was completely “dead” in 2020. Travis barker and mgk took advantage of that void and breathed fresh air into pop punk that was a combination of both genres, and they single handedly brought pop punk back to the “mainstream” which is amazing. This new wave, I call it “4th wave pop punk”, maybe isn’t the best music, I compare it to neon pop punk of the late 00’s, but it is so impactful beyond belief. Mgk and Travis barker are the most influential pop punk artists in at least a decade. They have opened a door for a whole new generation of kids to get into pop punk and alternative heavy music in general, with a number 1 freakin album! that’s amazing! Remember this music isn’t made for 30 year olds, it’s for kids and teens and they love this new wave (jxdn, Kenny hoopla, sueco, iann Dior, etc.) so I will push back on your hate of the new wave. I truly do think it’s the healthiest thing for the genre and to keep pushing pop punk forward!
I think the gatekeeping people are doing on this new wave stuff is due to a couple things.
1. Everyone was waiting for a Nirvana-style breakthrough album from one of the scene bands, and that didn’t happen. We should realize that really can’t happen because we live in 2021, and scene bands are still promoting themselves the old-fashioned way, while all of this new-wave stuff is being promoted in the same way as rappers and popstars, with all the social media and doing collaborations. Of course they’re going to get more attention than scene bands. The fans want the pop punk artists they know get big, but it’s happening the other way around. Artists that are already big are transitioning into pop punk.
And 2: Pop punk music hasn’t really been prevalent on the charts for 12 years, so right now it doesn’t have any credibility as a popular genre, and any pop punk song that gets on the charts is going to be compared to something from the past, because what else do we compare it to? If the new wave pop punk gets big enough and starts seeping onto the charts on a daily business and starts replacing rap, only then will people stop comparing it to the artists from the 00’s.
So I push back on the hate too. So what if rappers are going pop punk? At least the kids are gonna start listening to pop punk again and we can finally start getting out of the shitty rap music era.
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Is that a sleater-Kinney no cities to live poster? If it is I cannot believe this is the first time I’ve noticed it lmao; bands that I highly recommend that are pop punk or pop punk adjacent are meet me @ the altar, The menzingers, Salem, we were sharks, cold years.
Yes it is, signed by all 3 members of the band!
@@beyondartv that’s so sick!! They are one of my faves
Saw Jxdn open for MGK. It felt like I was watching someone do what they thought they should be doing as opposed to an artist getting up and doing what they were actually passionate about. He went to jump into the “mosh pit” and the fans had absolutely no idea what he was doing and they were too young so they couldn’t hold him up. It was a pretty embarrassing fiasco and I think that about sums up the state of the genre as a whole.
As for the bands and artists that are giving me hope for the genre: definitely KennyHooplah, Waterparks, girlfriends & Mod Suns new album was pretty fire if you ask me. Just an opinion though
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him doing that doesn't surprise me at all tho, I can only imagine the cringe
Cringe cringe cringe
how old are mgk’s new fans damn. i’m going to see him, kennyhoopla, and jxdn and i want to mosh for real for real. just got back from a city morgue show
I still love listening to pop punk and it's still my favorite genre, but I completely agree with you here--I feel like the most talented bands that are emerging in the genre right now are becoming completely overshadowed by all of these 'new' solo artists who are acting like they rule pop punk now, and it really sucks that most of them aren't getting the attention they deserve.
They're not all pop punk but here are some of my current band recommendations with some really badass female leads: Concrete Castles, Hot Milk, Behind the Facade, Conquer Divide, Dream State, Yours Truly and Stand Atlantic (both of which I know you've given praise for before but I still want to recommend them!) I also really love Grayscale and Movements, and I also still love The Maine, Mayday Parade and TSSF! My favorite band since 2015 has been Against The Current, and I know you don't listen to them, but I highly suggest checking out their new EP, maybe it'll change your mind about them!
Dream state!
It feels like music has always been this way. Popular music will always appropriate older/niche genres. Just support the smaller acts that you like and just hope they get the recognition they deserve.
What Band is that at 1:34 ?
Mixtapes!!!
What about bands like, nofx, the bombpops, badcop badcop, teenage bottlerocket, get dead, are these bands not classed as pop punk?
I know that this band I'm going to mention is a bit bigger, but I currently love what Point North has been doing. Like they're songs just resonate a bit more with me than some of the other acts going around right now.
I think my favorite bands out of the new pop punk scene are Jail Socks, Origami Angel, and Heart to Gold!! Check them out you won't be unhappy:)
I’m not sure if they count as small bands but Mayday Parade and Waterparks are definitely ones to check out if you haven’t. Mayday just released a brand new album on the 19th
Thought I was the only one who felt the same way; you completely nailed this analysis and timeline. Lived through this exact same development and feeling. I’d love to be able to go back to that era.
Check out A Better Hand, Life Lessons, Rematch, Sleep On It, Hot Mulligan, Point North, AND Youth Fountain. To whoever loves the 2011-2016 era of Pop Punk. That angsty stuff at times
I feel there is no genuine emotion in pop punk, like, a lack of realism. Don’t get me wrong, it feels real, but when I look to MGK’s album, I don’t believe a word he says about his ex’s best friend and whatnot. There needs to be some genuine feelings of what an artist feels in his music, like, have they dealt with touching subjects and all that. Personally, shameless plug here, I want to try and touch on real subjects in my own pop punk music when I decide to get off my ass and release it.
Honestly, a lot of people might disagree with this, but I've really enjoyed Tyler Posey's(yes, the actor) music in relation to pop punk. I think he has a voice made for it, and I think he really has the spirit of the late 90s/00s era, but feels more genuine than others. That, plus his more personal lyrics, I just think it works.
I'm 39, entered the scene when Dookie and Smash came out. Been listing to everything from pop-punk to hardcore to metal, alternative, and hiphop and everything in between. I was pretty bored by the heavier side of music, and started listing to things like Dave Hause, Chuck Ragan, and Frank Turner.. Punkguys, but with an acoustic guitar... But these new kids got me back in the pop-punk world and I'm loving it. I heard something new when I first heard "My Ex's Best Friend"... It was pop punk, it had trapbeats... I really liked it. Love the KennyHoopla stuff, and the JXDN album is great.... But, and it's a big one... These guys don't do well live, saw some footage from JXDN and it was bad, really unwatchable. You can see he doesn't have the background in music, and hasn't been grinding the local stages for years. And to me that's biggest problem, everything sounds great in the studio, but that's only a part of making music imo
30.. old... what? I am 40, listening to Punk Rock and Hardcore since 1996 and I feel young as fuck
I been listening to Pop Punk for about 10 years and I really struggle to like anything after 2005 (with a few sceptions of course) , I feel like it lacks a lot of the "dumb" fun about it, mixed with the more important content,as well as production, I want it a little more raw sounding, but know a lot of it sounds a little to clean (more Pop than punk in a way)
Speaking as a non-fan, to me pop punk seemed to be the ultimate expression of being a juvenile, and juveniles grow old eventually. That's not meant to be a diss, the whole vibe and lyrical themes of pop punk celebrate youthful abandon. But when you grow older, have different life experiences or go down different paths, you invariably develop changes to the way you think and the way you enjoy things. And it's difficult to go back to rekindle the way you felt when you were ages 15-18. Mind you, this isn't restricted to pop punk. Plenty of other punk scenes and metal scenes have the same problem....we all get old man! Many of the problems that you list with pop punk like copies of copies, bland production, generic songwriting, etc., that happened to glam metal, grunge, New Wave and so on.