Brian Eno: How to Make A Drum Loop Interesting And Human - BBC Click
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2017
- BBC Click's Spencer Kelly finds out how to make constantly changing drum loops and funk, using probabilities and complicated maths, from music legend Brian Eno.
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Brian has a future selling DAW software at Guitar Center.
ahahhahaha
Your dad showing his friend how to use facebook
Except, if your dad was Mark Zuckerberg, and the friend was still this other guy.
I hope you know that’s one of the most influential and accomplished musicians to ever grace the earth
@@j.c7719 So? doesn't mean he was able to keep up with the times. He's been far surpassed.
@@jayocaine2946 So that means his entire catalogue should be overlooked? Aside from that you only have to look at his discography to know that’s not true. Who has far surpassed him?
@@j.c7719 lol, classic. Eno is baby's first experimental music. branch out buddy. No where did I say his catalogue should be overlooked I have no idea where you got that lol. Me simply making a little joke triggered you to high heavens. Take a deep breath and calm down, eno is not god, he's not even the best in his field.
Eno's simply giving the BBC the juice they want. I'm sure he's aware of many artists doing this but it wouldn't make the BBC look good if he said "Oh yeah, people have been doing this for years but never on the BBC because you're always a bit behind with cultural and artistic developments"
I'm sure he's aware that Logics built in drummer does basically this, without having to have a script making you look all advanced and techy.
@@stephenharvey6808 I was going to ask....I've played around with Logic a bit...can you get the random rolls like he did without needing to go outside the software? Reducing the occurrences seems easy enough....
@@stephenharvey6808 there are a like 10 ways to do everything in logic. You gotta keep in mind he's been doing this for so long, a random logic update with automated drummers isn't going to make him rework his whole work flow.
"We're always one step behind him , he's Brian Eno !" ~MGMT
Amazing band. Amazing album. Thank you for the reference. It boggles my mind how Metanoia and the entire Congratulations album are not known as instant classics. They came out like 8 years ago now and I already feel a 1970s nostalgic vibe and gratitude for them.
Tom Scharpling and Dan Bejar have a theory there's an alternate timeline where 'Congratulations' got the recognition it deserved and the world is a much better place...
This interviewer is like an amazed child.
MrDaoJones he s a typical white middleclass dude with no clue whats happening. And mostly any interest in it other than career related. He really thinks eno took him to the final frontier...
Maybe he's amazed
i'd look like an amazed child too if i was booling with brian eno
Yes, and Eno is pulling this guy's leg the entire interview, once Eno realized the guy did not do any research for the interview and knows nothing about Eno, Ambient music or any of Eno's work.
a bumf
That interviewer looks way too excited, I bet he went straight home and downloaded the FL studio demo 😂
2:19 Hunter S Thompson is alive and films Eno for a living.
God gave everyone a twin. But damn
Well I guess Brian Eno wasn't aware of the world of algoraves or live coded music at the time of this interview - it's a scene of programming artists who manipulate loops and sounds with live coding, with some really amazing results! It's been around since, well Eno himself really brought about the first wave of it in the 70s with his style of electronic generative music! And of course not to forget about all the IDM artists (Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Autechre etc.) who also have used these techniques in their productions.
It's odd seeing this demonstration and realising that he's unaware of the amazing spaces in electronic music that he's helped shape
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh man, this is what I love about social media. That random guy who thinks he knows more about an industry than the actual professional who has worked in it for the best part of half a century. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MrBam79 ah yes and the other random social media guy that thinks he knows exactly what Brian Eno knows and doesn't know 😂
@@Autogenification Well, I mean, neither of us truly knows the extent of Eno's knowledge of music industry developments, but let's look at the evidence:
First we have Exhibit A - A three minute clip of Brian giving an accessible, noob-level demonstration for a daytime BBC magazine show. Based on this, some seem to be drawing the conclusion that he's a doddery old man who likes to potter about in his shed with a few dusty old synthesisers from the 1970s, and has only just discovered these magic boxes called "computers".
Then there's Exhibit B - An almost entire adult lifetime in the industry, working with many of the greatest artists and producers, and being widely regarded as a pioneer across multiple genres of music.
Hmmm, that's two very convincing cases there. It's difficult to know which one gives the best insight, and would allow someone to make a reasonable assumption as to Mr Eno's level of expertise... 🤔
@@MrBam79I almost completely agree with your first statement but the evidence is in the video where Eno literally says "not as far as I know", in response to the interviewer asking "Is anyone else doing this?", so while your arguments are well written and thought out, I don't think your reasoning goes that far.
You also seem to think that I've extrapolated Eno's entire expertise from this video (or at least your comment is written to imply that), which just isn't true. While I don't have his entire biography recited, I gotta tell you, I KNOW he's not just living in some 70's dawn-of-computers world, seething at any modern music technology advancement.
I know Eno embraces new concepts and ideas in music technology, he seems like a very open-minded person.
The nuance here is in conflating his experience, expertise, and open-mindedness to being omniscient (to all things in his field and their subfields), and this is where you have to be realistic. Eno's not going to know every single technology from every subfield that he's help to establish, and I'm certain that the Algorave scene is an example of a concept in generative music that he doesn't know much of (if at all), but would be very interested in/greatly appreciate it.
How did I come to this conclusion? I've watched a fair bit of Eno's interviews, listened to a fair amount of his work, never have I seen/heard of Algorave stuff in his world. Am I incorrect in this conclusion? The chances are very low, but my postulation is not founded on nearly the level of ignorance that you're claiming that it is.
@@AutogenificationApologies, I think off the back of another mocking comment, I took yours to be a bit condescending and disrespectful towards Eno, but I realise now that I was mistaken and my sarcastic tone was probably a bit uncalled for.
Brian Eno - Creator of the "Oblique strategies" card deck.. (look it up if you don't know about it), producer of the Windows 95 Microsoft Sounds... produced Bowie, DEVO, Talking Heads best albums, co-producer credit on U2s The Unforgettable Fire, The Joshua Tree, Achtung Baby and All That You Can't Leave Behind, also Coldplay.. his ambient works and solo albums are fantastic, AND he's a gentleman too.
trans: 'just fiddle with it a bit'. actually - that might be eno's entire career in 6 words!
The way to really use something like this is to use it to generate lots of possibilities, listen, choose those which sound good, and further refine and modify so that it communicates your feelings, as a human, to other humans.
Mr Brian Eno.
Dreamcatcher, splendid aural painter, superb sonic psychologist. Such a wonderful musician.
This is an interesting writing prompt. Obviously Eno would continue messing around and collect the great bits and then remix those into a more refined song.
Reminds me of David Bowie's "Verbasizer" which is a word/sentence randomizer that David Bowie used to come up with interesting word combos.
It's a creative jumping off point.
Awesome stuff! Cheers....
The computer monitor script showing the pattern reminds me of the CNC machines at my workplace. Brian definitely makes rhythm and drum "machining" interesting!
Brian Eno just invented JAZZ?
Thought this was master chef for a second from the thumbnail..
The James Bond of writing music that is timeless. Everyone should be listening!!!
thats exactly what I need, any script examples available to get into this or getting started guides?
We all love brother Brian. Peace Christo
ENO is a genius.. Introduced me to ambient music as a teenager, absolute legend... but this is nothing special to be honest
Yeah, this should be titled, "otherwise talented dude has first mess-around with EZDrummer."
Agreed. I find it somewhat hard to wrap my mind around that this is the same man who wrote Taking Tiger Mountain and Another Green World. Even for just messing around... the fact there are cameras on I would expect something more... Enoish. I'm just a random guy and I would be disgusted if I made something this pedestrian, even while just screwing around.
....lol...it’s not hard. No random tricks needed if you have skill and know what you want.
Don't no much of enos work to be honest... But I suspect he's just doing exactly exactly what he's always done... just messed around with technology the difference is technology has caught up and is available to the masses.. so anyone with a passing interest in music and technology has probably messed with this program and others like it...
to be fair he admitted himself that this was pretty crappy, I think the fact that is was presented as being extraordinary is the program leaders fault
THAT IS LIT!
Awesome clip, but why is the camera work so obtrusively bad?
This is pretty cool and that looks like one of the Abby Road drum libraries in the Software Kontakt sampler. How ever to make the drums bespoke to a song then you still have to really program accents, fills and variations in yourself. I know because I`ve done it for Metal and it is worth it but still hard work and you still have to try to think like a drummer to get away with it too.
Lovely! I wonder if you can do this with Reason. Anybody know? Cheers!
I'd say plenty of other people in electronic music these days are "doing this" :p
Probabilistic triggers are integrated into various hardware instruments too, like the Electron Analog Rytm.
But what's the utilty/host software he's using? (Beyond BFD or whatever drum sample virtual instrument.)
It's Groove Agent. He's been using it for quite some time.
Probably he meant Groove Agent 4.x makes the same... as it does.
Back in the Atari STe days Dr.T's KCS sequencer had a module called the PVG (programable variation generator) these edits were all programmed in. I can't believe that these tools weren't ported over to the modern DAWs .
Does anyone knows which plugin he is working in this video?
How can he edit the sound with code? Can someone enlighten me? Thanks!
The Emperor of the Empirical method, just changing the pitch on a midi track in the inspector sectioin with a drum vsti on it will give you variations that can be cool, I do this with battery, changing the pitch changes the selection of the sounds on those notes not the pitch itself.
How many records have you sold?
I was doing this with Cubase in 2003 with drums and midi instruments. (Probably was possible 6 or 7 years prior) Ableton has all of these features available with the stock effects. So is anyone else doing this? yes. Ever 14 year old kid around the world!
Ηey can I ask what did u use for the scripts in cubase? I want to add some randomness to my music and i also use cubase
To achieve a similar effect to the video use the density midi insert. At over 100% it adds notes. Under it subtracts notes. 120% will add very little while 400% will be extreme. 90% again will be subtle while 10% will be extreme. Using transformer and logical presets will give you options for randomness for pitch position velocity and length . Easy way to do it is use the midi modifier midi insert. The transformer will allow you to do tasks such as add volume 0 to end of note, change cc's to note and vice versa.The arpeggiators have random settings also. A lot of the midi inserts have not so known random options.Logical presets (under standard set)include the options to randomize notes and velocity,and a lot of odd ones like deleting every 5th note. From what I remember their was an experimental pull down menu under Logical presets I used quite a bit.
I would mess around with the transformer until I came up with a new setting for altering the midi. It has been a little while since I used it. I started using it when it was first available to the public. However when (Ableton and) Max For Live came out I found myself barely using Cubase. For generative and random/ assisted/controlled random music MaxforLive is mind blowing. On maxforlive.com their are hundreds of free tools for creating this type of music. Amazing random riff and pattern generators.And a lot of unique devices. Also developers such as Isotonik who sell great ready made setups for Launchpads and Push. Checkout Arcade Series One and Arcade Series returns. isotonikstudios.com/product/arcade-series-one/ Good luck!!!
which stock effects in Ableton do this ?
Under Midi effects- Random. Also in Experimental - Scale driver(add some random)Their are a lot of free random generator midi effects available. I have Max for live and the Ableton Suite so I forget which effects came from which version. I probably have around 500. Between the ones I have tried out and made. I use about 30 Generative devices regularly. Here is a link to a pretty good tutorial which includes a free Live set download ask.audio/articles/generative-music-in-ableton-live-part-1 Here is another good tutorial ua-cam.com/video/t8OO-PcnZHs/v-deo.html This guy has a website and many great videos on generative music with Ableton subaqueousmusic.com/generative-music-with-abelton-live-and-randomization/ Have fun!!!!
As Mike says something similar has been possible in Cubase for many many years - no scripting necessary. In fact if you go right back to the interactive phrase synthesizer in earlier versions of cubase on the Atari (!) it could do more sophisticated things than Eno shows here. Of course there are now thousands of people out there with eurorack systems also experimenting with probabalistic triggering of drum sounds and various forms of randomness.
Eats spaghetti, "have you tried this?!"
@1:31 „..turns into Jazz..“ 😂
Anyone who might know the size of those Cinema Displays / Monitors?
ENO you wizard!
"you could be killing human positions by doing this" "too many of them anyway" Savage af
Logic Pro X's Drummer plugin makes it fairly easy to do this type of stuff. Technology is nuts!
somebody knows an alternative tool for Ableton?
Literally all of the MIDI effects + Max For Live devices
This should be titled "Brian Eno fucks around with a VSTi".
how do you do this in Cubase?
Love the Pradas. Eno has good taste
What is the function he uses to choose % of beats played
3:30 is the greatest Eno quote ever
well, what could you spect from the BBC this years??
This is a good video - for introducing my grandparents "look, this is what you can also do with a computer" and by the hosts reaction it was also made for such an audience.
No disrespect, Mr. Eno, but it sounds robotic. But I guess he knows that.
brian eno really using Logic. you love to see it
People dragging Eno but I never knew about real time scripts that transpose and randomize, especially using garageband so that's pretty interesting
It's quite refreshing to see Eno being a dork and not some impossibly cool paragon of sonic genius.
3:29 aouch !!!!!
A Brian Eno a veces también se le va la olla... La suerte que tiene es que él se lo puede permitir... El es Brian Eno. Al igual que su amigo Robert Fripp , a estas alturas haga lo que haga será una genialidad...
Es sólo cuestión de mandar a la mierda el espíritu crítico y recordar su Ambient1, Music for films o Discreet Music.... Con ese bagaje.... todo lo demás es impresionante.
Lo mismo con el amigo Fripp...
Tras su virtuosismo demostrado con KC, RFSQ, The league of gentlemen, etc etc.. puede editar mil CDs de frippertronics y no ruborizarse... Genios ambos!
Miss a drum by accident? I know that wasn't actually what was meant there, but really... how many drummers do you know who will miss the snare and somehow hit the middle tom? That's a hell of a miss.
its just an example. you could potentially set 100s of tiny alterations of the same hi hat sound to play randomly so that it's never the exact same sound. you can let the program create it's own fills instead of programming them yourself. its automated improvisation
made me think of this: search for 'nate smith drops stick' .. might just be the other way around; he looses a stick but misses nothing :)
It’s not a simulation of what a drummer might do, it’s just an attempt to turn it into something more interesting to listen to. The host was just making a joke when he said that.
Haha. Stevie Wonder plays drums, so anything is possible
Yeah, but I did see an interview with a producer once who said he had a bit of a habbit of accidentally hitting the drum mics by mistake. He had to sort of sort out the spacial properties of the kit before he could really let it rip, as a drum kit isn't like keys on a keyboard, it'll always be a little different every time you take it down and set it up again.
Eno changes everything for the good.
Is this a script he had created for him? Which library is this, anyone?
Sounds like 80s Skinny Puppy, and probably they were doing this.
1987 this was?
After reading some of the criticism about this vid, I think one should consider the target audience : general people interested in science yet not necessarily electronic musicians. I'm sure quantum physicists on shows like this don't talk like they would with other peers but seek to explain something fun to the uninitiated.
Does anyone know what scripts he’s using?
scripter, a midi fx of logic pro x
It's javascript in Logic Pro X I believe
How to make this on ableton?
que chanta
I wish they had used screen recording software, instead of trying to focus a hand held camera to get a screen capture.
Dear Elektron, please give mr Eno an Octatrack...or at least Digitakt. It seems like he’d enjoy it
Ha! Yes - what a brilliant idea.
eno about to make some breakcore my man
what software is he using?
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Logic Pro X
Jim Lanpheer thats His daw, i think he ment this randomizer drum thing.
Wow he's fucking around with Logic Pro! How innovative.
Where’s the tape machine and mixer
"Is anyone else doing this?""Not that I know"
Reeeeeeeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy?
Apparently Mr Eno is unaware of the internets... Forums, UA-cam, etc. he should really get out more.
unlike the younger generation , he probably doesn't give a rat ass about the internet or social media.
Which for a dude who's entire musical career is enabled by technology would seem somewhat myopic, don't you think?
hes clearly lying
I wrote a script in Chuck a few years ago that assigned various probabilities to steps. I made beats that sounded like old Autechre before they went to the dark side of glitch and I'm sure that they are doing far more advanced things than Eno is doing with Max/MSP. It's not a novel or revolutionary idea at all, and it's been possible to do it since random number generators have been around ie forever in computer years.
Hello, The Drümünkey. Could you give me some examples of the music you're referring to?
IF in this software one instrument can interact with others, as in harmony VS contrast to rhythm and melody, say 30% harmony between drums and strings, 60% harmony between bass and all else, 20% harmony between guitar and all else, could he make some automated jazz ?
i wish something like "Script" wojld exist for ableton..
WOW, we are witnessing the birth of IDM!! Thanks Mr. Eno!
Interesting dance music? :P
Nobody would dance to this bruh
Irrelevant Drum Machine
This could have been a very nice tutorial on beat variation had they given us screen shots instead of headshots.
Next up, Brian Eno takes the BBC on a tour of the mixing board...
This is a feature in logic?
There are lots of people doing this. This is like first-year of a computer composition module on an undergraduate degree.
The fundamental way to make drums sound more interesting and human is to introduce a shuffle (swing) or funky (soul) groove. This video only covers modification of straight beats that don't have any groove. You can't program a funky groove on Garage band, Logic or Ableton anyway.
If I had to guess I'd say his comment at the end has inspired all these trolls... too many musicians anyway, that really cracked me up :-) I guess I'm too old... I come from a time before computers when you actually had to learn to play an instrument!
eno has a unique way of relating with great artists and pushing them to think out of their comfort zones. acts like Bowie and U2 were basically at a standstill until they met Eno. but he's a producer, not a solo act. he's only a "genius" when he's collaborating.
I'm aware of Eno's solo material and have heard most all of it. I'm simply saying he's not as effective when solo.
@@RyanInLAhe's great when he's solo - have you not heard before and after science? - but bear in mind that he collabs with people even then, e.g. robert fripp on most of his "solo" efforts.
WHOA you could seriously practise some syncopation with this.
WATCH OUT CARTER BEAUFORD HERE I COME!!
hmmm that's interesting - i'm a dummy - can anyone tell me what he's doing and with which software package??
looks like custom coding to adjust the percentage of fills, etc. I'd reckon you could do this easily with Max 4 Live. Can anyone confirm?
Stylus RMX pretty much does the same thing too.
It’s GarageBand.
looks like logic pro x
It's Logic Pro X
Hey Eno ! Don't fuck it up for us !
he's making this look way easier than it is. eno definitely has a real good idea of what he's doing.
"Is anyone else doing this? "Not that I know"
errrrr. FL Studio (formerly Fruity Loops) has extensive constrainable randomization capabilities for every single instrument in a 'loop'. There are tons of software drum machines on the market that use constrainable randomness to 'humanize' drum beats.
I personally, have been using the constraint of randomness (as evidenced in things like Boid Algorithms, which are the mathematical 'chaos' patterns of birds flocking) for almost 20 years now in my drum computer programming.
I am a gigantic fan of Eno's creativity. One could really say I'm almost a 'slavish' fan,
but he's not the only creative person out there doing things.
i was thinking just what you said,,,,,lol
LOL. I'm so sorry for you that Eno didn't know of your existence. He should really be ashamed of himself....
"Too many of 'em anyway." Ouch! 😀
Weird thing to say though, right?
*Old rock legend uses Ableton*
logic, not Ableton
That’s logic why do you say ableton when you don’t know it
I’m pretty sure he’s using GarageBand y’all.
Gunnar Isbert Nope, drum designer is not on GarageBand.
I don't know why anyone would be surprised. Brian Eno has been experimenting with new technology for decades.
Are we human, or are we dad dancing? The reporter reminds me of that "Big Train" antiques dealer character who informs old ladies their rubbish is worth millions and then tries to kiss them!
AWKWARD
cmon eno. Autechre done flexed that idea
Not to mention that these kinds of randomisation / humanisation probability effects are widely available and built in to various stages of midi programming workflow, from plug ins, piano roll inputs and beat repeaters etc - saying that this kind of thing requires specialist scripting or MAX/MSP etc is like using logic from 10 years ago. Also the fundamental idea that music is usually an unchanging drum loop and that that is remedied by Eno's secret specialist computer randomisation scripting is such a straw man....people actually rarely, if ever, program or play unchanging rhythms without fills, dynamics, sound design etc, and in the genres of music where that is particularly common, that repetition is a key feature of the sound (i.e ambient techno etc)
Brian who? You can do this and more in abelton live easily
To someone like this interviewer who knows nothing about how music is made it's like watching magic!
🤔
Me teaching my mom how ableton works
Making drums more human by introducing a computer script?
And he doesn't even mention what the script is called! This video tells me nothing except that Eno likes computers.
most drums your hear in songs from upcoming artists are programmed on the computer or recorded with a midi drum kit especially metal drums. it saves money going too a studio too record drums are expensive asf.
He made the original beat more human when he changed it ,that's what he meant.
well yes, a computer script can give more life than nothing to a repeating loop by introducing random variation that is more than no variation at all...of course a simple program like this cannot match the 'humanity' of a human drummer but it can 'humanize' to a greater degree that which was originally even more machine like...
Logic's "scripter" plugin - bundled 'probability gate' is the first one,, 2nd possibly one of the remappers.
top kek
"Is anyone else doing this?" Are you kidding???
fun fact: this video did not show me how to make a drum loop interesting
Much as I love Brian Eno, this is not a good example of his creativity, or anyones!
“anyone’s”
Nothing surprising or really new here. This is so common that's even boring to show, but of course, it's Brian Eno, not the unknown bedroom-musicians-producers all over the world.
What is he doing ?
is anyone else doing this? yes me.
can't you achieve the same basically making an interesting drum loop, or swing in ableton? or layering fucking loops?