Thank you for the great captures, really appreciate it! Best Marshall Hi-Gain tones on Tonenet so far! I boost them with a Boss SD-1 on the HX Stomp and play the amp with a 28 inch scale. Nasty tones!
Another youtuber (can't remember his name sorry) has noted via testing that input gain into ToneX models matters a *lot*. You need to drive the capture pretty hard, and both the pedal and the plugin are expecting fairly high input levels. Also, the "gain" knob in the amp models and "input trim" are both the exact same thing, one is just global.
Yea I’ve tried a bunch of stuff like that. Super hot reamps vs mild reamps vs tame ones. The same with return signals. I’m happy with the method here it’s pretty rock solid and consistent with the results. I’m sure other people have found their combos. Would be great if IK really dialled things in so there wouldn’t be so much guessing games but at least I got it working well enough
Nice, looking forward to try the captures, thanks for sharing! As for the "Tone Model Type", I'm pretty sure that the only difference is the metadata of the capture, the capture process itself shouldn't be any different between these options 🤔
I’m pretty sure they all have slightly different tuning parameters. If you’re doing a capture with a cab then the eq spectrum will be a lot more reduced and in theory the trainer can be tuned a bit better. Either way I just find the best results with the “Amp” one, would be interesting if other people had different mileage
Excellent work and informations. Congrats, question for you : have you ran into the issue of lacking low end compare to your real amp with Tonex capture ? if yes have you found a root cause / solution to this.
I know what you mean. I haven’t done a ton of testing but I don’t think there’s anything you can do on the capture side of things, it just is what it is for now. In the grand scheme of things it’s kind of gen1 of this kind of capture technology (kemper, neuraldsp was different compared to AI neural net stuff). I’m guessing it will just get better as they develop it more. For now a kind of quick dirty solution is just to add bass or resonance to the profile presets. Not going to be authentic but it does bring some of that low end back in to help thump. I have found if the captures are pretty faithful to the amps then adding the lows back in afterwards is generally pretty convincing. But in cases where the capture is just a dud and lifeless compared to the original amp then adding the low end just adds mud and mush
@@ampspedalspickups Its part of the revolver suite you get with Head Rush Prime. You can make multiple clones of an amp with varouse gain settings. Then bring them together to create a super clone. Now the gain control will respond like the amp. You can also mix different amps together to build a hybrid super clone.
I made it a while ago and use it for a lot of the videos here. Its generally a 57 mic on a mesa v30 cab close to dead centre, very bright. That is 80% the sound and I mix in something else to bring a bit more body in. If you have access to Mikko2 Free or something similar you should be able to make something very similar and export it into NAM.
NAM - Works great regardless of amount of gain, brightness, and with or without a boost ToneX - This will work well if you don’t capture the tone YOU want but capture the tone that TONEX wants Don’t think I like the trade off there.
Nah ToneX is the best Click my affiliate links and find out! …… yeah NAM is just superior tech. The only allure for ToneX is the affordable pedal and running it live where accuracy is less important. For everything else there’s NAM
@@ampspedalspickups I suspect this is because ToneX is running much, much lighter-weight models in order to run on a very low-power-draw pedal with near zero latency. It's honestly impressive they get the results they do, but they're not perfect of course.
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Thank you for the great captures, really appreciate it! Best Marshall Hi-Gain tones on Tonenet so far! I boost them with a Boss SD-1 on the HX Stomp and play the amp with a 28 inch scale. Nasty tones!
Oof this is the way!
Yeah I’ll upload a few more this week and get some more stuff out of the Marshall
Great captures! Thanks for sharing! Love em!
👍🙏great job. Sounds amazing Thank you for what you are doing , work, time you are spending on.
Legend 💪💪💪
Thank you for sharing. I have a very good capture from a 5150III Red and will compare your capture with the same IR. I'm excited🤘
Another youtuber (can't remember his name sorry) has noted via testing that input gain into ToneX models matters a *lot*. You need to drive the capture pretty hard, and both the pedal and the plugin are expecting fairly high input levels. Also, the "gain" knob in the amp models and "input trim" are both the exact same thing, one is just global.
Yea I’ve tried a bunch of stuff like that. Super hot reamps vs mild reamps vs tame ones. The same with return signals. I’m happy with the method here it’s pretty rock solid and consistent with the results. I’m sure other people have found their combos. Would be great if IK really dialled things in so there wouldn’t be so much guessing games but at least I got it working well enough
"Another youtuber (can't remember his name sorry)"
Was it Paul Bradshaw ? Or Ppriss (Philippe Priss) ?
Thanks for your efforts
Nice, looking forward to try the captures, thanks for sharing! As for the "Tone Model Type", I'm pretty sure that the only difference is the metadata of the capture, the capture process itself shouldn't be any different between these options 🤔
I’m pretty sure they all have slightly different tuning parameters. If you’re doing a capture with a cab then the eq spectrum will be a lot more reduced and in theory the trainer can be tuned a bit better. Either way I just find the best results with the “Amp” one, would be interesting if other people had different mileage
Thanks for sharing this in the fb group. Found you that way and subbing. 🤘🏻
Legend 💪
Good tips - should help folks get more consistent profiles.
You know the pain I’ve lived to get here 🤣🤣🤣
@@ampspedalspickups the struggle is REAL 😂
We can't thank you enough man.
I’m just stoked other people like them 🤜🤛
Excellent work and informations. Congrats, question for you : have you ran into the issue of lacking low end compare to your real amp with Tonex capture ? if yes have you found a root cause / solution to this.
I know what you mean. I haven’t done a ton of testing but I don’t think there’s anything you can do on the capture side of things, it just is what it is for now. In the grand scheme of things it’s kind of gen1 of this kind of capture technology (kemper, neuraldsp was different compared to AI neural net stuff). I’m guessing it will just get better as they develop it more.
For now a kind of quick dirty solution is just to add bass or resonance to the profile presets. Not going to be authentic but it does bring some of that low end back in to help thump.
I have found if the captures are pretty faithful to the amps then adding the lows back in afterwards is generally pretty convincing. But in cases where the capture is just a dud and lifeless compared to the original amp then adding the low end just adds mud and mush
I hope you get into super cloning and can put some stuff on the cloud. Would love to test one out? Those tones are killer
What a super clone haha
@@ampspedalspickups HeadRush 4.0
@@ampspedalspickups Its part of the revolver suite you get with Head Rush Prime. You can make multiple clones of an amp with varouse gain settings. Then bring them together to create a super clone. Now the gain control will respond like the amp. You can also mix different amps together to build a hybrid super clone.
@@Thrive-Off-Grid whoah that’s pretty interesting I’ll have a look
What IR are you using? I'm not able to fully replicate the sound you've got just by slapping it into NAM, so I imagine I'm using the wrong IR.
I made it a while ago and use it for a lot of the videos here. Its generally a 57 mic on a mesa v30 cab close to dead centre, very bright. That is 80% the sound and I mix in something else to bring a bit more body in. If you have access to Mikko2 Free or something similar you should be able to make something very similar and export it into NAM.
NAM - Works great regardless of amount of gain, brightness, and with or without a boost
ToneX - This will work well if you don’t capture the tone YOU want but capture the tone that TONEX wants
Don’t think I like the trade off there.
That's a great way to describe how I feel about ToneX.
Nah ToneX is the best
Click my affiliate links and find out!
…… yeah NAM is just superior tech. The only allure for ToneX is the affordable pedal and running it live where accuracy is less important. For everything else there’s NAM
@@ampspedalspickups I suspect this is because ToneX is running much, much lighter-weight models in order to run on a very low-power-draw pedal with near zero latency. It's honestly impressive they get the results they do, but they're not perfect of course.