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Russia invades other countries (Georgia and Ukraine) and bombs their civilians reoccurringly on the excuse that Russia is the victim. What a backwards excuse.
@@lukemurray4950 - I think you lost all credibility when you tried to analyze modern national politics the same way one would analyze ancient Sparta. You're the one who's "brainwashed". You don't just go around talking smack like that, only to chalk the argument up to "maybe, time will tell" at the end. Astonishing. Have you even looked at what kind of politics European right-wing parties are trying to push today? Because they do not fit your description of the "Conservative right". Ironically, they fit very well into what you push on the left, centralized government and restricted rights (especially for minorities and immigrants) and freedom of expression included! And of course any political opposition in Russia would be harder to define and analyze - they're thrown in jail! lol
@@lukemurray4950 - "Showing once again", but I've never talked to you before? This further proves how you're generalizing and grasping at straws. You've lost the right to call anyone else "disingenuous". lol Were Germany and Italy 100% perfect examples of the fascist ideology, then? Or does it go a bit deeper than that, warranting discussion and comparisons to the ideology in theory, when talking about how Russia is often branded fascist today? =) See, you don't even know what you're saying, you're only frustrated because of your bias towards the "right" and therefore you're acting out.
I disagree. Example: The government in Starship Troopers is in fact fascist, it's entirely possible to operate a Fascist democratic Republic, with a Capitalist market economy.
I've heard that Russia is better defined as Authoritarian than Fascist. However, if it looks like Fascism, sounds like Fascism, and acts like Fascism, then guess what...
To be fair, those aren’t mutually exclusive terms. Fascism is one of those terms that’s hard to rigidly define. It could be loosely defined as little more than far-right wing authoritarian, and then the nuances be unique to each regime.
No that’s not how it works. Social Democrats share a lot of beliefs with communists for example but the distinction is still warranted. Authoritarianism and Fascism share a lot but are ultimately very different.
Such as: “. . . Immediately, the Italian Left branded Fascism a reactionary force in the service of the Bourgeois. It would keep on saying so. History, by and large, has accepted this definition of Fascism. But Fascism was anything but a right-wing movement.” Farrell “Mussolini: A New Life” Chapter 7 “. . . The word fascio means literally bundle (of sticks) and had been used for a long time as an Alternative to (Trade) Union” Farrell “Mussolini: A New Life” Chapter 5 “(Fascism was) the totalitarian, cooperative, and ethical state - the final collectivist synthesis of Nationalism, Syndicalism, and Actualism.” Gregor, “Mussolini’s Intellectuals” Page 99 “Fascism accepted from Syndicalism the Idea of the Educative and moral function of the syndicate. . . But since the intention was to overcome the antithesis between the State and the syndicate, the effort was made to enter the system of syndicates harmoniously into Corporations subject to discipline by the State and to thereby give expression to the organic character of the State” Gentile “Origins and Doctrine of Fascism” Page 29 “The people is the body of the state and the state is the spirit of the people. In the Fascist concept the people is the state and the state is the people . . . The tools with witch the (ideals) is achieved in the state, are the party and the corporation.” Quoted from Mussolini - from Farrell “Mussolini: A New Life” Chapter 11 “The nationalist state was (an) aristocratic state, that constructed itself out of the force it inherited from its origin, that made it valued by the masses. . . Every citizen shares a relationship with the state that is so intimate that the state exists only in so far as it is made to exist by the citizen. Thus, it’s formation is a product of the consciousness of each individual, and thus of the masses, in which the power of the state consists.” Gentile “Origins and Doctrine of Fascism” Page 28 “Mussolini was the only one among you with the mind and temperament to make a revolution. Why did you allow him to leave?” Lenin to the Italian socialists, from Ferrell “Mussolini: A New Life” Chapter 3
Surprisingly, most of what is said in the video is true. As a citizen of Russia, I can confirm approximately 90% of the above, but there is one point that I would like to share: in Russia, war is perceived very poorly, especially for citizens who live far from the conflict zone, for us war is far away and many Russians do not believe it, that the worst or good outcome of the war will somehow affect their lives, so we pay little attention to the war, mainly because it is like a taboo for us, many do not want to talk about the war because it will inevitably lead to quarrels within the society of which we we do not want.
@@robertbreedlovecraft i don't think so. americans at first supported those wars; they gradually grew disillusioned, but two major differences: - americans were not afraid of being jailed for protesting - americans were not afraid of being mobilized american losses were low, so they didn0t have to resort to conscription. as a result, the average american who was not in the army was not at risk of being recruited and sent to charge a trench with an outdated weapon. so, americans became aphatic because the war didn't concern them much, while russians cannot talk about it
Facism requires an ideological activation of (some subset of) “the people”. After the romp with Wagner, Russia is looking more like a proto- monarchy. Putin would prefer his people to believe state propaganda, but in his current predicament he just wants absolute obedience regardless of the ideology of his subjects/ citizens
Agreed. It looks more like an emerging imperial nationalist state or dictatorship. It’s definitely transitioning away from an oligarchy, to some sort of dictatorship or imperial state.
Ukraine celebrates Bandera the nazi and genocider as a national hero, Russia fought the Germans and honours their Red Army veterans. The answer's clear to non-westerners not plagued with fascist neo-colonialist brainwashing.
I’d say it is on the precipice of either becoming a neo-monarchy or neo-feudal. It depends on how effectively and how quickly Putin and the kremlin can consolidate power away from the other oligarchs. If this process goes too slow or is effectively checked then I wouldn’t be surprised if various oligarchs essentially end up with small fiefdoms across the country that are tolerated so long as the oligarchs kiss the ring and pay their taxes.
I disagree. The vatnik core is very ethno-supremecist. They truly believe that only the purest and most Russian of Russians can do the great things that must be done. The ethnic hierarchy is more stratified than nazi ideology, maybe, but all the hallmarks of supremacist racism are there. Unfortunately the translation barrier for the dialects vatniks like to use is very high so not much of their ideology gets transmitted. And what does get ported over is often... not well understood. Vatniks don't really make art or do aesthetic expression. They hate art that doesn't glorify Russia or the old ussr. Sounds like fascism with a couple extra russified steps to me. Fascism is about presentation and Russia loves pretending to project power. They lie in public reports to oversell military capacity. Nazis loved doing that. They filmed it, that's how much they loved it. I mean, it's mostly fascism. Every expression of fascism is different. German nazis are still German. Other fascists from other places will still be fascists and still culturally distinct from 1930s and 40s Germany. They don't need to clone Hitler to be nazi pricks. Close enough is still really bad for mankind as a whole.
my only complaint about the video is Britannica's definition of the Fasces. Its actually an Etruscan symbol far before the Romans. It was used as a symbol of unity for the 12 cities under the Etruscan League. This signifys the weakness of one Etruscan city. They are stronger together, as a bundle of sticks is strong when formed together!
@@Michael-bn1oi while 99% of the times this is true, early Roman society and culture was so much mixed and influenced with Etruscan that you can say that they were also partly Etruscan from the very beginning.
It all comes down to how one defines Fascism. If you use one set of criteria; they might very well be, using another set, one might conclude they are Imperialist or Authoritarian... But even if there are distinctions between them: the fact that it is so hard to differenciate... Probably means that they are at least very similar in nature.
That sounds like a better descriptor for the german empire Because when you think imperialism and authoriterianism really? Fascism is a Totalitarian ideology that is nationalist that views foreign ethnic groups as unassimilateble Only reason italy was imperialist was because of the rome larp
I think we should consider the definition Mussolini himself gave about the system, he is mostly the one who came up with it, so for me it makes a lot of sense, he wrote a book about it. Also if I remember right, he was a communist most of his youth but he ended up getting kicked from most communist groups.
@TheRedHand101"If you love our country you are national, and if you love our people you are a socialist." - Oswald Mosley He started the Fascist party in Britain because he was an economic socialist who held different social views from the Labour and Conservative parties at the time. The Socialists you're referring to were Marxist, which are just one type of Socialists like you said. Also, it was these Marxists that usually attacked him first.
@TheRedHand101 Socialism is public ownership of the means of production, it does not necessarily mean "democratic ownership." Socialists of various Socialist beliefs always insert their own definition on what Socialism is, but ultimately it is public ownership. Nationalization is a form of Socialism because the state is a public entity, not a private individual. If the state is in control of the economy, that is Socialism. Also, the Nazis never "privatized" their economy, they never even used that term. They did what is known as "Gleichschaltung" which is the synchronization of private businesses into the state. It was de facto nationalization. When a private business becomes synchronized with the state, it is no longer private.
Putin appears to have a personal appreciation for certain fascist ideologues at the very least, but I think his personal ideology is somewhat secondary to the more purely pragmatist policy of the state he runs. Yet it can be noted Mussolini himself was entirely in favor of the sort of pragmatism that the utterly inconsistent Russian propaganda machine employs to try to scrounge together support from Russian society. Further, whilst I'm personally partial to the description of a 'mafia state' in regards to this, the Russian 'system' does certainly have the element of a "merger of state and corporate power" that Mussolini also attributed to his ideology - though in a less centralized and totalising fashion than in China, which really has mastered that part.
Nice description. It is an odd mashup of a mafia state and fascist state. The population control aspect has really swung almost 180 degrees since the start of the war. The initial population control mechanism was indifference. Don't get involved and you won't get hurt. Very much a kleptocracy. With the war there is the need to motivate a population that, for decades, had been intentionally demotivated. The latest is straight out of the fascist playbook. Victimhood, enemies everywhere, Russia is a great nation, etc. What is interesting is that this is completely at odds with the previous form of indoctrination (indifference) and therefore is not exactly working as well as Putin hopes it might.
Putin does not have an ideology, you guys consider him of too high opinion. He’s just a frustrated chairman that wants to keep the chair as long as he lives.
@@sivaratnamasabaratnam8946 no, calling them fascists cause they make fascist laws in russia and act as ones in the international politics. Do your research and don’t be a 🐑 or at least go to the next comment and see what says a russian citizen.
For the moment Russia seems more of an autocratic regime, without a clearly defined ideology. This of course doesn't make it any less dangerous, particularly when it comes to succession: regardless of how things go Putin isn't immortal and there doesn't seem to be a clear successor, opening up to potential power struggle between the apparatchiks (which is somewhat present already, as shown by Wagner/MOD feud and its conclusion)
When it comes to "fear of difference", Mussolini signed the Concordat in 1929 and stayed within a monarchical system which ultimately deposed him. A number of these points don't match Italian fascism or German national socialism, let alone Franco's traditionalist regime.
I think that’s the biggest issue, the identity of fascism has been blown out (especially in the west). I’d say Russian is more authoritarian, with Russian Nationalism at its heart.
I would not say it's about some kind of Nationalism. It's just about thiefs trying to keep their power with no solid ideology. The ideology transforms under wishes of current elite groups and Putin himself. If tomorrow Putin decides to suddenly stop the war the people mostly wouldn't say a thing. It's more like Saddam's Iraq analogy for me
Half of your points on Russian facism can be applied on Many other countries and regimes including not excluding isreal......the US during its middle Eastern campaign..... China.... India and more
@@Dimitris_Half most of those countries don't like the ideology itself but inforce its policies exept isreal and China who actually practice racial segregation and religious prosecution actively
10:32 "Propaganda in Russia claims that NATO is backing Ukraine," How is that propaganda? Many key members of NATO has given Ukraine 10's of Billions of dollars in aid, including arms and munitions.
That is taken out of the context. The full sentence is: "Propaganda in Russia claims that NATO is backing Ukraine, hence justifying Russian military failures." Point is not that NATO countries are not backing Ukraine, but that propaganda uses the limited support to explain away the military failures.
@KingsandGenerals But then wouldn't that actually make the "propaganda" factually true? If this was purely a 1v1 contest of arms, without HIMARS, Javelins, 155mm shells and western AFVs, wouldn't the Russians have already attrited Ukraine's war materiel to the point of combat ineffectiveness? So would that not actually account for a significant number of their set backs in the latter half of the war?
@@the_Kutonarch Your comment feels naïve. All good lies has nuggets of truth in them. Russian state media has repeatedly said that there's official NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine, not just volunteers.
@@Thealle09 There are (were?) NATO special forces in Ukraine. Whether or not they are directly involved is not known and I highly doubt they're not. However, Ukraine is an associate of NATO member states, and even non-NATO member states support the training of Ukrainian troops (there are, for example, Australian troops training Ukrainians in the UK). Irrespective of this, the Russian media have set this up as a Manichean struggle between the forces of NATO (which are either pitifully weak, or incomprehensibly strong, depending on the battlefield conditions that day) and Russia, which stands as a bastion of tradition, Christianity and order in a chaotic world. This is common authoritarian rhetoric and at least according to Eco's description of fascism, fascist in nature.
The problem as I see it with Eco's 14 criteria is that it's a mixture of political characteristics of ultranationalism on one hand, and a mixture of political characteristics of authoritarianism and militarism on the other hand. Fascism, in the most broad terms possible, being a revolutionary authoritarian, militaristic, ultranationalist state. If you compare the checklist to any country, having half the boxes ticked simply doesn't work in qualifying it as "half-fascist" or inherently on the road to fascism, simply because those same boxes can be used to define literally any modern political state that leans into authoritarianism and militarism, including communist regimes and degenerated liberal democracies. There HAS to be an overwhelming mix of all criteria in order to determine that it is fascist-esque in nature. But of the 8/14 ticked boxes; literally all of them describe the state and politics of the Soviet Union and it's leaders, too. The key boxes which qualify Ultranationalism (particularly boxes 1, 3, 5, 10) are all unticked. No, Russia, like most former Soviet countries; is a cynical post-Soviet authoritarian state based almost entirely on the standard Russian political-cultural outlook that has existed since the Tsars. Only now instead of the aristocracy, or communist party elites pulling the strings, it's post-Soviet oligarchs. There is too much racial, ethnic, cultural, religious, linguistic diversity within Russia for it to ever seriously go down the road to Fascism, without radical demographic change in a particular direction first.
"If you compare the checklist to any country, having half the boxes ticked simply doesn't work in qualifying it as "half-fascist" or inherently on the road to fascism" Non-fascist countries do not even tick half the boxes, because when examined together they are useful in successfully identifying fascism. That's why its a valid list of characteristics. "literally all of them describe the state and politics of the Soviet Union and it's leaders" Which was fascist, just dressed up in red aesthetics. This proves the point you're arguing against. "There is too much racial, ethnic, cultural, religious, linguistic diversity within Russia" This makes no sense, Germany in the 40s was an ethnic, cultural, religious and linguistically diverse country. Still the state was taken over by fascists. This statement seems to rely on the idea that fascists will never try to purge society of undesirables, which is silly.
@@Khalkara Any remotely authoritarian state ticks most of the boxes, but doesn't make them fascist. The Soviet Union was the premier Marxist state. Nothing defines the Marxist state more than the Soviet Union. Words have meanings, and Marxists aren't fascists by definition. Yes, and when Russia begins to ethnically cleanse it's non-Russian populations is when it could reasonably be considered to be going down that path.
@@Khalkara germany was not diverse... Having different german dialects is not diversity ... The majority Ethnicity was also german ... Don't argue for the sake of arguing
@@rishavkumar1250 The majority ethnicity for the USA is white. Does that now mean the USA isn't a diverse country? Take your own advice, don't argue for sake of arguing. Your point is clearly silly.
Pretty close though. Depends on how vague your definition of facism is. Some people think a police state which suppresses minorities is not a facist state because they don't commit genocide. While others think not being able to drive 160mph in a school road is facism.
@@loowick4074 That's why we have the term 'authoritarian' to indicate that. People just use fascism nowadays to sound more dramatic. Fascism is a very specific form of authoritarian government that has very distinct from the common dictatorship.
You people should stop misusing the term "authoritarian" in stead. Authoritarian just means strict obedience to an authority, you know like when you strictly obey the the anti-murder laws. Its a neutral and vague term that can used to refer to either good or bad things. Fascist on the other hand is commonly defined and its definition fully applies to Russia: _a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition_
Really critics of Putin or opposition died or imprisoned, let’s not discuss the z symbol and ethic attacks while putting Ukrainians in camps is just evidence.
I really enjoy the content on this channel, but Russia isn't fascist. It's simply an authoritarian oligarchy. If you look at Russian history, Putin's regime is just a weaker iteration of the communist and tsarist regimes that proceeded it. Russia is a different culture from the rest of Europe and the West needs to accept that. Peter the Great, Stalin, and Putin just take what they like from the West while maintaining an iron grip on power. Western-style democracy does not work in countries where collectivism dominates the society.
That's fair, we aught to be careful with making over generalizations. There are definitely Russians who do want real democracy. Unfortunately, if history is anything to go by, democracy will never triumph in Russia. But we can hope. The 21st century is an unprecedented time.
Russia is 100% fascist by nature; Russians repeat fascism: they declare that there is no Ukraine, and they kill the nation, destroy cities. They overthrew the power of the tsarist government and killed them without sparing the tsar’s children. The children were shot point-blank!
"I'm not going to go deep and say, I'm a nationalist, a patriot, an imperialist, and so forth. I'll say it outright: I'm a N*zi." - Alexey Yurievich Milchakov, co-founder of Rusich, a Russian mercenary group that fought in Ukraine alongside Russian soldiers.
While I don't agree with all the points raised in this video, I appreciate its overall quality, thank you for sharing. I'm one of those who chose to leave the country following the onset of the war. My departure was motivated by my refusal to financially support the government through taxes, as I view the 'special military operation' as a criminal act against both Ukraine and Russia. In my opinion, Russia is more fascist than not. Despite the polarization in society, public opinion is sidelined completely. The country is controlled by a mafia and guarded by an army of siloviks.
Thank you for the choices you made. Not everyone is going to have a solution available, but you made the very important choice to not be part of the problem. I wish you well.
>fascism is when authoritarianism unironically the republican defination fascism ANTIfa is fascist because they hate muh freedumbs and democracy and muh. buumstick Yes they do but is there another word for them of have you forgotten something from only some decades ago humanity’s stupidy yet genius knows know bounds
Fascism is a historic movement and they literally played clips of a documentary on fascism in Italy in the 20th century. It is being about history, history isn't in a vacuum detached from today.
And also used among westerners against other westerners they don't like. It's a meaningless term, and equivalent to name calling. It's infantile, but on a culture that grew up with star wars and other hollywood slop that portrays everyone villain as a nazi in some form, you can hardly be surprised that the average person's vocabulary is as equally simplistic. To be fair, Russia's entire casus belli is based on Ukraine being a nazi state too, so now it's established foreign policy to fatuously accuse people of being nazis so you don't have to think to hard about who to support. 'Nazis' are now the secular variant of the devils or demons, and people are equally as superstitious about them now as savages were about evil spirits and other such nonsense in the past.
That may be true, but even a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day. Modern day Russia is most definitely a fascist state, not because the west says so, but because it fits every modern definition of it.
It seems from looking at the comment section that a lot of people don’t understand the difference between national socialism and fascism. Fascism is based more off of nationality while national socialism is based off of race. So for example a German Jew can be ethnically, culturally, and linguistically german but because of his blood he will never be German according to national socialism. In fascism however an Italian jew would be considered Italian as long as he identified as Italian , spoke the language, and had the same cultural values. There were Jews on the fascist grand council. Fascist Italy didn’t get any sort of racial laws until 1938 and it was clearly put in place to butter up Hitler who mussolini feared.
This is a stupid point because the italian fascists also genocided ethnic minorities including jews and practiced colonial genocide in libya. You are spreading fascist whitewashing-propaganda
That's true. Once Imperial Russia came out of the Napoleonic wars with their established borders they had no intentions on waging anymore wars against Western Great powers. Their entire attention was expanding South into the Muslim world. Russia wanted to work with their fellow Europeans/Christians to destroy the non-Christian spheres. They hoped to carve up the Ottoman Empire with the Great powers. But instead Britain decided that it must be an opponent in everything that Russia does throughout the 1800s. This psychologically changed Russia to be secular in their interests like the rest of the West who has been poisoned by secular ideology which in turn led to the world wars.
I love how when ever someone critisizes russia or points out that it is authoritarien at least all the tankies creep out with US bad ( which is largely agreeable regarding the past)
@@lupisvolk2420It's actually revealing in and of itself, especially when you consider how much Russia force feeds propaganda to contrarians looking for an ideology to belong to. Russia, and China, transparently want to be like what they perceive the US as. They see the US as an imperialist bully that can do what we want because we claim to fight for an ideal and provide security for allied countries. And the fact that many wannabe demagogues in those countries have pretty much said that they think their systems are more effective because "they don't let minorities do what they want" is even more telling. And after writing all that, and looking at genocides like those in Xinjiang and Chechnya, I'm now definitely of the opinion that Russia is fascist-esque. I think that we're seeing a new evolution of a horseshoe version of fascism lite from formerly leftist authoritarian systems.
@@lupisvolk2420 The U.S destabilized the governments of the entirety of Latin America so that our corporations can use their cheap labor. Over sixty U.S military interventions across 23 Latin American countries since the beginning of the Cold War. Then, when the consequences of our interventions come in the form of mass migration, the U.S builds militarized walls with barbed wire and guns because that's easier than offering aid to all the countries we've destroyed. The U.S declares wars based off lies, such as Iraq and Vietnam. The U.S invades who it wishes without international consent. The U.S bombs who it wishes. A million people have been killed across the Middle East since the start of the War on Terror. Did you know that? It's not that everyone else is allowed to be a scumbag. It's that they feel justified in their military force because, well, "look at the U.S. They can do it without repercussions, so why can't we?"
in fact, polls that show high war support and those that show readiness for peace talks are not contradictory, as they both support putin's narrative - he wants the war to continue, but also to have peace talks and freeze the conflict for a year or two while keeping the territorial gains in order to get a breather russia so desperately needs
The first box should also be ticked as there is a clear push for the cult of the tradition, although in the case of a post tsarist, post-soviet multinational Russia, it is unclear what specifically the tradition could be.
Putin’s speeches and symbolism in the country tries to mesh Soviet ideology with the tradition of the imperial czar. Russia has always seen itself as the benefactor of the fall of Byzantium or eastern half of the Roman empire. That is the play on tradition.
Some have pointed out that even Stalin's USSR ticks close to half these boxes. It's because the lists essentially collects authoritarian, pro-militaristic, and ultra nationalist traits. Which combined give fascism. Such a list needs to check a lot of boxes. Maybe 2, 3 left optionally unchecked for it to be a strong argument by itself.
Fascism was invented in Italy as well as nazism in Germany based on unique conditions of those times. Similar logic is also applicable to Russia, and, as it already appear in publications, their system is most likely will be characterized by their own term - rushism.
Agree. Fascism will not look 100% like Nazi Germany when it is implemented. Russia does have a lot of similarities to 1930s Germany though (victimhood, declining economy, loss of a lot of territory, national humiliation, aimless direction, and a desired enemy for revenge). Germany lost the Great War, Russia lost the Cold War (not a live war but it was felt with loss of lands, collapse, etc.). I will say that modern Russians seem to be calling more back to their Czarist past versus USSR past though.
You gave 5 or 6 different, some vague, interpretations of the word. How can we make a video on whether or not Russia is Fascist, when we can’t establish a concrete definition of the term? Either way what government today doesn’t have, by definition, elements of this?
@@KingsandGenerals what I meant was I feel like framing the intro without giving a clear definition doesn’t really give the viewer confidence going into the video, anyway I recognize and appreciate the work you did on the video.
When considering the regime, I found it way too optimistic your evaluation on some of the points from Eco's list of fascist characteristics. Putin's current rhetoric relies heavily on the cult of tradition, even if not justifiably so. The fear of difference is also very much present in the attempt to belittle the "western values". And certainly there is contempt for the weak, directed at those who refuse to fight the war and flee mobilization. Putin said it's good that they leave the country because they are "like cockroaches", too "westernized" and therefore the country would be stronger without them. Selective populism is very much present too, being the main tool used by the propaganda to try to persuade the masses, with ambitious jingoistic state-sponsored public events and a flood of carefully nationalistic narratives dictating the agenda on the also state-controlled media. I would definitely check 12 out of the 14 boxes on that list!
Much of this failed war comes from Putins attitude towards the west, and in his mind he is mocking the west as weak for not being fascist like russia. He believes that the west lacks the will to fight a long war, and that its population is easily manipulated by russian trolls. To some degree he might be right, but now he seems to have overplayed his hand. He refused the overly generous and humiliating peace deal Ukraine had to offer him in the beginning of last year. But Putin was greedy and still throught he had the upper hand on the battlefield and underestimated wests willingness and ability to support Ukraine - and the result was more military defeats. But Putin was still not giving up. He still believed in russian greatness, and that his enormous untapped reserves would bring him victory when he declared a first wave of mobilization. He also seems to believed that the EU would be able to hold togheter for as much and for as long as it did and push through sanction package after sanction package. In autumn 2022 Putin still believed that a cold winter and high energy prices would crush Europes economy and the willingness to support Ukraine - but his gamble failed. He also gambled that the mid-term elections in USA could end with a victory for the pro-russian politicians that would stop all military aid to Ukraine but he got dissapointed. The elections in France and Italy also became dissapointments for Putin, as Macron was the most pro-ukrainian candidate and he won the election, Meloni was suspected to be pro-Putin before the election, but after the election she have strongly supported Ukraine in her rethoric. And now does the war seem to have gotten out of hand for Putin. He now seriously realize there is a risk russia might lose this war. But he fights on hoping fortune will somehow save him, that Trump wins the us election and cuts aid to Ukraine. Or that some country in Europe gets fed up by the war. To me it seems like he is turning more and more towards wishful thinking.
In short: Kind of (Putin is not _purely_ fascist or nazi like Mussolini or Hitler, but would glasly adopt some chapters from their playbooks if it feels like helping his agenda)
This is pretty ridiculous. You didn't establish much in the way of a working definition. Frankly, why didn't you just go to the source and see what Mussolini said since he was the major advocate of the term? In doing so, you just further dilute the term into the same pseudo-religious term of evil.
@user-jt4pk8ii4z the actual ideology of fascism. I. E.: everything in the sate, nothing with out the state, nothing against the state being the stated goal of the people in charge. That would mean all businesses would to some degree belong to the state. It's a matter of all fascist countries are authoritarian, but not all authoritarian countries are fascist.
@@CaspertheSarcasticGhostThat still sounds like a 6 of 1 situation. Everything in Russia runs by the whims of Putin and his oligarch allies or government toadies. And being that the only nation that specifically called itself fascist was another bundle of contradictions, I think it's legitimately hard to say there's a clear definition of fascism
@15:11 most of the military casualties are from Russia’s non-Russian and Non-Slavic minorities from Siberia, the Urals, the Caucasus, and the Far East. The tiny minority of Ethnic Russian causalities, are mostly working-class and only a tiny fraction are from Moscow or St. Petersburg. Moreover, most of the people fleeing conscription, are middle-class, upper middle-class, and upper-class Russians living in those two main cities. Ironically, you can also note the difference in their wealth, by where they move to, after fleeing Russia. Those in Georgia or Serbia tend to be the poorest amongst them. Whilst those in Turkey and Kazakhstan tend to be those with some money. Whereas, those with a lot of money, can be found in cities like Singapore, Dubai, London, and Monaco.
Moreover, If Putin wants to win Russia’s masses, he should start with confiscating the properties and assets of the almost one million draft dodgers and the affluent Russians that choose to flee at the first sign of trouble, even though, they were the greatest winners of society.
Kings and general why don't you make a documentary on the fascism of the Israelites against the unarmed and innocent people of Palestine ? Is it because Israelites have more money than Russian?
I think we are still in the development of a fascist regime in Israel. You would be absolutely correct by applying apartheid regime. Describing all Palestinians as innocent or unarmed, is disingenuous at best. The question of justification in there cause is a reasonable one, however.
@@longforgotten4823 most of the Palestinians have no weapon at all.even if some of them has weapons which are pretty much outdated as compared to Israel. And what will you do when someone steals your homeland and still continues to kill children or otherwise break theirs legs with rod.
Yep. The people who make the script for this video should read what Fascism actually is. According to "Fascist Manifesto" by Mussolini, Fascism actually calls for: 1. Universal Suffrage 2. Increase the minimum wage and lower the retirement age 2. Unionization of all workers and more control/influence by the workers in the running of the private companies and national economy in general. 3. Nationalization of critical industries (namely armament industry, utilities, etc) 4. Capital tax and redistribution of wealth 5. Seizure/abolition of church property *Fascism is actually a center-left ideology,* and *NOT* "far right". Putin's regime is "center-right" (relatively pro-business with rather strong central authority, dominated by the oligarchs and state bureaucrats). Russia is imperialist and expansionist power, not "Fascist'.
An interesting attempt at categorisation. I, however, fear you left out some important criteria: - fiddling with election results? Check - imprisoning political opponents? Check - Leaders enriching themselves at taxpayer expense? Check - resorting to absolute lies (like the "great patriotic war"? Check Knowing if it's fascism, authoritarian and/or kleptocracy is academic
Fascism was a very specific movement in Italy which some other countries during the 30s and 40s and later tried to emulate to differing degrees. Fascism has become synonymous with authoritarian militaristic nationalism. But obviously USSR could be described to having becoming this so it’s not a useful term at all. The only people who want to make fascism a special term are Marxists who behave in the exact same way
There's usually a distinction made between capital F Fascism and fascism, a political ideology. Aggressive nationalistic authoritarianism is a pretty ok fit for lower case fascism. It's a way of ideologically mobilising a nation into militaristic-like state, even if the state doesn't end up going to war like Pinochet's Chile.
The Soviet Union was aggressive nationalistic authoritarianism, so is China and North Vietnam was spurred by a nationalistic uprising against Americans. These traits aren't distinctive to fascism. Its unhelpful to suggest nepulous terms like machiso or forced military draft means fascism. It seems a lot of this video is deriving from the pseudoscientific 'F Scale' which was developed by marxist academics, to pathologise social policies that were common place before WW2 as 'fascistic'. Take an example from the video, the notion that social shaming for draft dodging lends to Russia being considered fascist, and yet the very same jingoistic mehtods were used by Great Britain during WW1. Would anyone describe Great Britain as fascist? Maybe, but not the majority. Fascism was a specific ideology for Italy and a handful of other mainly catholic central european groups which didn't really go very far or have much influence. When you say fascism with a small f, you just mean the catch all term Marxists have for any country or group that has up to or beyond the typical militaristic and authoritarian tendencies of basically every great power in Europe before the world wars. Which is why I think its arbitrary. Sorry for the long rant but also just laying down my thoughts on the matter pertaining to my original comment. @@FiikusMaximus
No we just do vague videos about russia now and occasional semi-decent videos, the good stuff is now limited almost exclusively to their member's playlist. What they used to dilever regularly is now behind a paywall, and we are instead getting non-stop speculation of modern situations we didn't see the full ramifications on in a history channel. I really feel channels like these should leave speculation to the professionals and leave the topics until the situations concluded, its weird for kings and generals to cover a war currently happening making assumptions when their whole field is talking about history without bias.
@@SwedishDrunkard5963 you're right, it's not. Russia is remarkably left leaning internally. There's hardly anything in Russia that is not highly regulated. Ethnic nationalism is prosecuted by the state. And the whole anti-lgbt policy has nothing to do with the American tradcon thing everyone is familiar with nowadays. Not to mention, the main declared goal of the military operation is to crack down on Ukrainian ethnic nationalism, which is because it's inherently anti-soviet and anti-socialist. Thing is, the whole media thing these days calls everything 'fascism'. The word is so frivolously used anything that is against NATO interests is labeled fascist.
@@sarmatiancougar7556 oh russia is not very left leaning, just becouse somethings are regulated does not mean its left leaning and I would say they are regulating the things needed to hold power becouse they want power and not becouse its a leftist thing (regulation is both a leftist and righist thing) altho the left still likes regulations, and they still are prosecuting lgbtq becouse it sees it as unmoral and a bad thing, also why its prosecuting ethnic nationalism is becouse it only wants one kind of nationalism a russian nationalism formed around every one being russian, and also thry have commited acts of genocide in ukraine and are commiting cultrual genocide some would say to take away the ukrainian culture which is based around a idea of ukraine not being a thing. the russian state is still nationalistic but not ethnic nationalistic. also the war is about the russian state wanting to crush the ukrainian culture and indipendence totaly like I just said and is just using the fact that ukraine has a Nazi problem in its military as an excuse
As a Ukrainian, I will agree. Currently, Russia trying to restore Stalin's USSR with private property for peasants and the proletariat and without Gulag.
I don't care much for the 14 points of fascism idea because almost everything on the list is something that at least SOMEONE is saying about EVERY political force. Disagreement with Trump is tantamount to treason, yet at the same time disagreement with the "woke" leftist mob is likewise treated as an irrevocable and unforgivable sin. I'd say a lot of the points can be applied more generally to authoritarian leaning extremists of all stripes.
@@michimatsch5862 I live in Britain, and the state is becoming increasingly more and more fascist. I am not excusing Russia, but it's no worse than the USA, Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, ect.
@@Dale_The_Space_Wizard yeah, I see what you mean for those countries. But like a lot of other countries are just, well, not getting better but they aren't on a trajectory to become fascist. I just wasn't super on board with how broad the statement is if that makes sense.
@@michimatsch5862 OK, I'm probably speaking from a Anglocentric position, when I say most countries of the West, I'm talking about Britain, USA, Canada, Australie, maybe France ect. I'm not really considering the lesser peoples who could technically be considered as countries of the West, I assumed that the reader would understand what I meant.
There's also an economic aspect to Fascism. Fascists hate Capitalism. Fascism demands an economic monopoly granted to industrialists that pass an ultranationalist purity test. A faction of those Industrialists gain political power in government institutions. Instead of geographic representation in government you have "The Chamber of Fasces and Corporations" like they had in Fascist Italy. Control over the economy is absolutely vital to Fascist and Socialist regimes.
Having been one of his students. I can tell you that Gentile's definition is the most complete, encompassing and useful. His work is indispensable to any scholar who wants to approach this subject.
Autocracy is more correct than fascist. Like how France under Louis the 14th was an autocracy. Everything revolves around the "sun king". Or the Tsar if you prefer. Whatever the Tsar says, goes.
Autocracy is defined by having seemingly democratic institutions that do not actually work as intended. Absolute monarchy does not have such institutions. The king rules by decree, he is not holding elections, even fake ones, he is not calling parliaments, even fake ones.
@@KingsandGenerals If you mean this as a generally valid definition, it is wrong. Autocracys are not defined by having seemingly democratic institutions. Autocracys are defined by a system of government in which absolute power is held by the ruler. Absolute monarchies fit the definition perfectly, because the word was first used in greece to describe their own, very similar, monarchies and dictatorships. Tyrants and kings with absolute power.
Is this a serious question? Russia is Russia, it dosen't fit any of your boxes. It is it's own unique society that can't be explained without being experienced.
That is deep. Especially considering the fact that one of us is actually steeped in the Russian culture and speaks fluent Russian and the other one isn't.
Comparative analysis with similar regimes can also be helpful. Though there are of course limits to these comparisons. Hungary is a good example of a mafia state but it's also externally constrained by the EU.
My professor in eastern European history described Romania as a mafia state as well. He said it was definitely a mafia state when he and his family were there for 11 months in the early 2000s.
What I find rather... weird in something, is the fact that in Georgia(Country/Sakartvelo) we learned fascism's definition this way: A far-rightwing authoritarian dictatorship under the goal of restoring Rome. I'm not saying it's right, but it says something about Georgian government.
True for Mussolini. For a modern age the idea of restoring Rome is generalized into "irredentism", as it is deduced that Mussolini's goal to restore Rome was irredentist in nature.
They're facts, but would that be enough to say the US is a fascist regime? Or was, back in the 60s? Maybe the local dictatorships could be considered fascist, but the US is a long stretch. This kind of flexing of the facts is in itself populist...
@@jptrrs Well, you can read "The Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel P. Huntington, there In that book it is stated that the United States must remain a "white" society and that one of the greatest threats to society is the migration of Latinos. It not only criminalizes migrants, but also fuels white supremacy.
@@jptrrs Furthermore, this book is like an update of the American fundamentalist theories of Manifest Destiny and American exceptionalism. The book would not have greater importance, but unfortunately it defined the foreign policy of the West in the last 30 years.
I think modern Russia perfectly embodies the mew wave of proto-fascism. It operates in a way that allows it to credibly deny the label while still pulling from large parts of its vocabulary. The danger is that this kind of knife-edge walking is extremely precarious and will not take much of a miscalculation to rapidly cycle the drain. For people who so broadly despise post-modernism in society, they sure do like to merge it with far-right politics.
If the game Hoi4 ideology were to apply in this scenario...the Russian state's ideology would be an "Authoritarian democracy" or an "Paternal Autocracy." But it can also be an "Electoral Autocracy."
I don't like Russia either, fuck them and their bloodthirsty war, but apparently wanting a history channel to be more about history and less about modern politics is a bad thing.
I'd argue that Russia is too multi-ethnic to embrace facism in the classical sense. Facism requires the subordination of all other ethnicities to one supreme ethnic group. That kind of racism would tear a multi-ethnic nation like Russia apart into civil war.
@@pieroo7 beh si sono italiano da cosa l'hai capito ? Cmq se sei uno di quei masochisti italiani che hanno il feticcio di parlare male dell' Italia all'estero ti do una notizia, non fai una bella figura e gli esteri pensano che sei mona anche te
Wait, are you saying that there is nothing fascistic about a Caeasar Salad? Clearly it is the most authoritarian and militaristic salad on the menu. We should all obviously be ashamed of ourselves for not hating and protesting against them!
@@MJA5 I'm having a paradigm-shattering moment like when I found out that the Italians copied the idea for pasta from the Chinese, haha.🙃. Got to love odd and obscure historical factoids like that.
Well, I am Russian American, living in NJ, this morning while driving to work I was listening to a radio (101.5) and a radio host said that we shouldn’t help “fascist Ukraine”. I understand the frustration of my fellow Republicans, but that was complete BS.
Did you know Biden sent my Governor , Hollywood Newsom, to “observe the debate”. He had some smug remarks afterwards. No comment from him about CAs 6 dollars a gallon plus gas.
Polls? Really? In country where 95% of population refuses to answer it? If you mention Levada you should also mention % of corresponded who agree to answer questions.
Russia as a whole? No. Putin? He is getting there fast, probably already there... But he doesn't want to further bite off more than he can chew. He might want to but practically that's difficult.
Zelensky was elected, the people ousted a Russian puppet, and Zelensky is not an isolationist ultra-conservative state and is actively trying to integrate with Modernism. Russia will always be more authoritarian and closer to fascism than you will wish for
@@blazecraftworks8944 Firstly, I am not a supporter/admirer of the russian regime. Secondly, ik Zelensky was democratically elected as a Reformee candidate against the corrupt poltical culture ukraine used ((?) *refers to how much progress was made before the war) to have. Thirdly, ik about Zelensky's efforts to remove oligarchs from Ukraine, including the fact he did with the support of some oligarchs, who he chose to ignore in his oligarch policies. Fourthly, Ukraine is an extremely conservative state - more so than either Poland or Hungary is - a typical far right culture arising out of the ashes of communist society is present there, just how it is today with the AFD in East Germany. Ukraine genuinely glorifies nazi collaborators from the Second World War, and such ethnocentric, racist and nationalist views are present throughout their society and military. This is not a dig at nationalism in general. It is necessary for Ukraine to defend itself to the utmost extremes. Other consequences or benefits of it can be discussed later. Fifthy, define Modernism - because the price tge west asks for supporting ukraine is ownership of every single asset of ukrainian public and private infrastructure, so even if ukraine win the war, they will never ever be independant again, as the western markets force them to be dependant on them and extract wealth from their nation. Zelensky has consistently curtailed Ukrainian workers rights, but this is less important since this is just wartime necessity. Honestly, the war has made Zelensky a very different sort of political leader than he otherwise may have been, one who is dependant on western support. Finally, I don't think Ukraine is a fascist state. Fascism is a very specific form of militaristic ultranationalism that I doubt will ever re-emerge in such a specific state again. On the other hand, everything between right wing neoliberal democracy to conservatism to other varieties of far right ultranationalism, like Israel or Apartheid South Africa, are in and of themselves unique and nuanced formations, as distinct from fascism to one another. Ukraine and Russian are not so far off from one another. One merely has more sophisticated assets of state repression an order of magnitude above the other.
I'm from Russia. And I will say this, the spirit of fascism is clearly felt in Russia, I’m not sure that I can definitely prove on every point that there is fascism in Russia, but in spirit, in atmosphere, yes, it’s definitely fascism. Also in Russia there is contempt for weakness, Russians mock defenseless animals, for example, but are afraid of their superiors and fall to their knees before him. As for contempt for foreigners, in Russia, in everyday situations, without any particular problems, it is customary to call all foreigners with very rude words, especially foreigners from the south, or Jews. Also, Russians believe that Ukraine does not exist, that "Ukrainians are actually Russians who were simply brainwashed and convinced that they are a different people“, so here we can add a tendency towards genocide, and this is definitely fascism
I would be careful to say that the russians are hostage of a minority. We assumed the afghans and iraquis were oppressed and would be happy to be freed, but they reinstated the old power groups as soon as we left. Even at the height of fascism, popular consensus was lukewarm. Still, the people fought for the regime for years.
It would be a false equivalence to compare Russia to Afghanistan, or any other state occupied by a colonial power. Russia also completely failed in Afghanistan, like the west did.
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I recently read an article by a Russian about how peopel in his old very poor (by western standards) neigbourhood in Russia never had it as good as right now. There is a lot of money going to participants of the Invasion of Ukraine aswell as social prestige. I guess we do to often look at what upper and middle class russians say/report about the impact of the war and the sanctions and dont think about the lower class russians for which the experience seems to be much "better". I would wish that there was a popular uprising. But I dont think there will be one.
economy of Russia depends on world prices for oil and gas. After recession starts in the US Russians will become much poorer. And, naturally, the regime will blame the West)) "The sanctions finally worked"))
@@pedropalotes7638 Short-term the political turbulence in the West will be prevented by handouts by means of CBDC's. In the long run the only way for many Western countries to mitigate the effects of the Greatest Depression will consist in developing of post-Russian territories. Simply because presently there are not so many territories in the world that are underdeveloped and underpopulated. In the coming paradigm of extensive economic growth mid-size and small businesses will be more efficient in most sectors of economy than large corporations and in present Russia there are no conditions for growth of mid-size and small manufacturing businesses, which is typical for 3rd world countries ("crony capitalusm"). Therefore, Russia will be re-formatted by the West to make it (or the resulting states) more business-friendly. And most Russians will benefit from this transition, and, naturally, the beneficiaries of the present police regime will lose out. The same goes for Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan
Problem of poverty in Russia is real, and first volunteer soldiers really received benefit for participation. But the longer it lasts, more pain and deception will come. Many families are left without fathers and do not receive any payments.
@@pedropalotes7638 indeed, beneficiaries of that conflict are not only russian rulers & business. But also west. Could have been finished a long time ago, but then no benefits for them
Part of the issue with defining 'fascism' is that, assuming it is 'right wing', we would expect it to be a system that upholds and maintains the status quo, as anything 'left wing' is usually anti establishment. Problem is that many a time the fascists in history did actually overthrow/change the status quo to institute a new status quo. So its not as simple as that. Such are the complexities of using the French Revolution as our model of what constitutes 'right wing' or 'left wing'.
@@starcool961you can’t just call white people you don’t like fascists this will only legitimize actual fascists and you will be spreading actual nazi propaganda.
You bring up a good point... What happens to Russia after the war? We speak on the future of Ukraine often, but I haven't seen many people address Ukraine. I'm curious to see how this conflict affect the daily lives of Russians, both in Russia and abroad.
Rot, stupiditu, internal violence will escalate untill they have a good old revolution or civil war. They are monkeys who refuse to learn the value of democratic peaceful change of power and so they will murder each other like always
As a Russian, the future is indeed interesting, but unclear: Most of us accepted Putin, and believe in changes after his retirement. However nothing good has ever happened as a result of inactivity. So… now we wait, now we stay strong together in belief of happy and great Russia in the future)
Other ways in which Putin has sought to ground his regime in Russia's past are the statues he has erected of past historical fiigures. He is the first Russian ruler to erect a statue of Ivan the Terrible. Even Stalin, while he admired Ivan, did not erect a statue honoring this tyrant.Perhaps he feared that that would anger too many of his subjects. But Putin did it. He also had a statue built honoring Alexander III, one of the most harsh and autocratic of the tsars. Near the Latvian border, he erected a huge statue of Stalin near the borders of Latvia and Estonia. Perhaps a not-so-subtle reminder of what Stalin did to these countries when they resisted his conquest of them,
If you want a working understanding of what fascism actually looks like, watch the 2008 German film "Die Welle" (The Wave); it was inspired by a social experiment conducted by a high school teacher in California in the 60s. Fair warning, the ending is depressing (as it always is for fascism).
Russian opposition leader asked russians on camera before war: We have money to raise you pay or we can began build new air carrier. what do you want? Answer was : lower our pay, govement need air carrier
Thank you to the Kings and Generals channel for your excellent videos on countless topics. Regarding this video however I find the selected attempts to define fascism in the introduction unclear and somewhat misleading. I would suggest an alternative list of criteria for what defines a fascist regime as follows: A) Political organization 1. Authoritarian/dictatorial and militarized 2. Threats and terror frequently used to consolidate position of power 3. Strongly developed propaganda apparatus with extensive use of new speak 4. Extensive indoctrination programs for the youth 5. No tolerance for political opposition 6. Aggressive foreign policy against declared enemies B) Ideology 1. Revolutionary and ultra-nationalist 2. Anti-progressive and traditionalistic 3. Racist and cultural chauvinistic 4. Characterized by excessive xenophobia and contempt for weakness 5. Self-image based on perceived victimhood caused by both external and internal enemies of the state (dagger thrust legend) As far as I can see, the regime in Russia today meets all criteria on this list both under political organization and ideology.
Fascism is less of an identifiable “system” than other ideologies. It sprang up in a unique set of circumstances, and it didn’t even look the same in 1930s Germany and 1930s Italy. The term should be used less, IMO.
The West fights by whining. Literally. What did lose the USA two wars? Public approval. Essentially pro-peace people won by whining so much the government had to stop funding the wars. Now the opposite have to happen.
Yeah, Europe really wants to get into a protracted war with the largest country on the planet. The issue with Russia is that even at its most backwards, its sheer scale makes it incredibly difficult to conquer.
Essentially, yes it is. Putin cosies up to and works with far right organisations and leaders. Unlike previous fascist leaders though, Putin is a little more accommodating towards those elsewhere on the political spectrum, as long as they back him (this being a key point. Those that don't get locked up or "vanish"). He also doesn't dare publicly denounce communism, as he knows it's part of Russia's history.
That was a very nuanced documentary! I didn't expect this conclusion, but it is balanced, accurate and fair. In grammar school in 2009, my best friend and I adopted a similar approach for our graduation project to examine the question whether the Russian invasion of Georgia was sufficient evidence that a New Cold War had now begun between Russia and the West/NATO. Our historical comparison ticked 4 out of 6 boxes. One box Russia was unable to tick was ideology: it was an incoherent mix of ideas; the other was that Russia lacked a Warsaw Pact 2.0.
Awesome how deep you dive into the definitions/attributes of fascism and data on how closely Russia today aligns to them. Very academic! Edit: just to be clear, I'm not saying it closely aligns. This video shows to what extent it does and to what extent it does not
It showed Russia didn't really tick many boxes... It's still a fair way off from fascism, it reminds me more of Stalin. Stalin invaded Poland, Baltics countries, Kingdom Of Romania, Finland, (Stole islands from Japan when Japan was pretty much already defeated), Tuva (Allegedly wanted to be part of the USSR), Oh he also took Kaliningrad buuut the Germans kinda deserved that one...
Saying putin is like stalin is still incorrect The russia ukraine war fascism debate is the this ”””debate””” Russia and it’s friends calls ukraine nazi/fascist ukraine and it’s friends in the west call russia fascist/nazi sometimes(rarely) note in russian and western vocabulary fascism and nazism are the same and often just mean nazism to the point that actual nazis in the west and russia describe themselves as fascist The most intresting thing about this that when russia is called fascist in some western news article the z symbol is turned into a swastika despite swastika being a symbol nazism not fascism So get this in the 1930s there were actual russian fascists in machuria who called themselves fascists but they used the swastika because they liked hitler’s aestetics in flags
Make anothe video: "Is the Chinese regime fascist or socialist?" (probably neither), please. I looked this topic up on the web, and it is similarly complex like this video.
Its more feudal than anything. The oligarchy is more political than business oriented, which is my opinion. But its definitely not communist, which some may claim
Marxists have had the applicable concept of “Neofeudalism” as one of several possible post-capitalist systems. It’s basically the stage at which capitalist ownership becomes universal and all power and control in the society is monopolized among the wealthy, who use rents to extract profit from the lower classes.
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Russia invades other countries (Georgia and Ukraine) and bombs their civilians reoccurringly on the excuse that Russia is the victim. What a backwards excuse.
Trudeau is a fascist and applauds them!
I see Russia more as a hybrid of Communism and Nationalism. Fascism almost destroyed Russia during WW2.
@@lukemurray4950 - I think you lost all credibility when you tried to analyze modern national politics the same way one would analyze ancient Sparta. You're the one who's "brainwashed". You don't just go around talking smack like that, only to chalk the argument up to "maybe, time will tell" at the end. Astonishing.
Have you even looked at what kind of politics European right-wing parties are trying to push today? Because they do not fit your description of the "Conservative right". Ironically, they fit very well into what you push on the left, centralized government and restricted rights (especially for minorities and immigrants) and freedom of expression included! And of course any political opposition in Russia would be harder to define and analyze - they're thrown in jail! lol
@@lukemurray4950 - "Showing once again", but I've never talked to you before? This further proves how you're generalizing and grasping at straws. You've lost the right to call anyone else "disingenuous". lol
Were Germany and Italy 100% perfect examples of the fascist ideology, then? Or does it go a bit deeper than that, warranting discussion and comparisons to the ideology in theory, when talking about how Russia is often branded fascist today? =) See, you don't even know what you're saying, you're only frustrated because of your bias towards the "right" and therefore you're acting out.
All fascists are authoritarian, but not all authoritarians are fascist.
I disagree. Example: The government in Starship Troopers is in fact fascist, it's entirely possible to operate a Fascist democratic Republic, with a Capitalist market economy.
@@chronus4421"but the government in star wars is ran like this" -chronus4421
@@chronus4421i dont think using fiction is the best way to prove your point
But Putin is absolutely a fascist.
Starship troopers is a political satire book about fascism. Don't critique what you don't know about.
I've heard that Russia is better defined as Authoritarian than Fascist. However, if it looks like Fascism, sounds like Fascism, and acts like Fascism, then guess what...
To be fair, those aren’t mutually exclusive terms. Fascism is one of those terms that’s hard to rigidly define. It could be loosely defined as little more than far-right wing authoritarian, and then the nuances be unique to each regime.
No that’s not how it works. Social Democrats share a lot of beliefs with communists for example but the distinction is still warranted. Authoritarianism and Fascism share a lot but are ultimately very different.
Could be communism too.
@@rayeya3138 And what differences might those be?
Communism and fascism are two sides of the authoritarian coin.
The total lack of understanding of what fascism is compared to dictatorship in the comments already is astounding
Yep.
Such as:
“. . . Immediately, the Italian Left branded Fascism a reactionary force in the service of the Bourgeois. It would keep on saying so. History, by and large, has accepted this definition of Fascism. But Fascism was anything but a right-wing movement.”
Farrell “Mussolini: A New Life” Chapter 7
“. . . The word fascio means literally bundle (of sticks) and had been used for a long time as an Alternative to (Trade) Union” Farrell “Mussolini: A New Life” Chapter 5
“(Fascism was) the totalitarian, cooperative, and ethical state - the final collectivist synthesis of Nationalism, Syndicalism, and Actualism.” Gregor, “Mussolini’s Intellectuals” Page 99
“Fascism accepted from Syndicalism the Idea of the Educative and moral function of the syndicate. . . But since the intention was to overcome the antithesis between the State and the syndicate, the effort was made to enter the system of syndicates harmoniously into Corporations subject to discipline by the State and to thereby give expression to the organic character of the State” Gentile “Origins and Doctrine of Fascism” Page 29
“The people is the body of the state and the state is the spirit of the people. In the Fascist concept the people is the state and the state is the people . . . The tools with witch the (ideals) is achieved in the state, are the party and the corporation.” Quoted from Mussolini - from Farrell “Mussolini: A New Life” Chapter 11
“The nationalist state was (an) aristocratic state, that constructed itself out of the force it inherited from its origin, that made it valued by the masses. . . Every citizen shares a relationship with the state that is so intimate that the state exists only in so far as it is made to exist by the citizen. Thus, it’s formation is a product of the consciousness of each individual, and thus of the masses, in which the power of the state consists.” Gentile “Origins and Doctrine of Fascism” Page 28
“Mussolini was the only one among you with the mind and temperament to make a revolution. Why did you allow him to leave?”
Lenin to the Italian socialists, from Ferrell “Mussolini: A New Life” Chapter 3
So true. They think fascism is when people are mean. It is a very specific doctrine with many set policies.
You would think that people interested in history would at least be able to define fascism correctly. Guess not.
Wdym? Most comments are just saying "Yes"
Surprisingly, most of what is said in the video is true. As a citizen of Russia, I can confirm approximately 90% of the above, but there is one point that I would like to share: in Russia, war is perceived very poorly, especially for citizens who live far from the conflict zone, for us war is far away and many Russians do not believe it, that the worst or good outcome of the war will somehow affect their lives, so we pay little attention to the war, mainly because it is like a taboo for us, many do not want to talk about the war because it will inevitably lead to quarrels within the society of which we we do not want.
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Honestly sounds similar to the apathy Americans had to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars during the Bush era
For change to occur those dialogs must be had.
as a political scientist we do have to be careful with data where people for various reasons are untruthful because of things like that fear
@@robertbreedlovecraft i don't think so. americans at first supported those wars; they gradually grew disillusioned, but two major differences:
- americans were not afraid of being jailed for protesting
- americans were not afraid of being mobilized
american losses were low, so they didn0t have to resort to conscription. as a result, the average american who was not in the army was not at risk of being recruited and sent to charge a trench with an outdated weapon. so, americans became aphatic because the war didn't concern them much, while russians cannot talk about it
Facism requires an ideological activation of (some subset of) “the people”. After the romp with Wagner, Russia is looking more like a proto- monarchy. Putin would prefer his people to believe state propaganda, but in his current predicament he just wants absolute obedience regardless of the ideology of his subjects/ citizens
What about Ukrainian fascist with Nazis which is revered by a Canadian Treadeau spokesman! See your own mirror!
Agreed. It looks more like an emerging imperial nationalist state or dictatorship. It’s definitely transitioning away from an oligarchy, to some sort of dictatorship or imperial state.
Ukraine celebrates Bandera the nazi and genocider as a national hero, Russia fought the Germans and honours their Red Army veterans. The answer's clear to non-westerners not plagued with fascist neo-colonialist brainwashing.
I’d say it is on the precipice of either becoming a neo-monarchy or neo-feudal. It depends on how effectively and how quickly Putin and the kremlin can consolidate power away from the other oligarchs. If this process goes too slow or is effectively checked then I wouldn’t be surprised if various oligarchs essentially end up with small fiefdoms across the country that are tolerated so long as the oligarchs kiss the ring and pay their taxes.
I disagree. The vatnik core is very ethno-supremecist. They truly believe that only the purest and most Russian of Russians can do the great things that must be done.
The ethnic hierarchy is more stratified than nazi ideology, maybe, but all the hallmarks of supremacist racism are there. Unfortunately the translation barrier for the dialects vatniks like to use is very high so not much of their ideology gets transmitted. And what does get ported over is often... not well understood. Vatniks don't really make art or do aesthetic expression. They hate art that doesn't glorify Russia or the old ussr.
Sounds like fascism with a couple extra russified steps to me.
Fascism is about presentation and Russia loves pretending to project power. They lie in public reports to oversell military capacity. Nazis loved doing that. They filmed it, that's how much they loved it.
I mean, it's mostly fascism. Every expression of fascism is different. German nazis are still German. Other fascists from other places will still be fascists and still culturally distinct from 1930s and 40s Germany.
They don't need to clone Hitler to be nazi pricks. Close enough is still really bad for mankind as a whole.
my only complaint about the video is Britannica's definition of the Fasces. Its actually an Etruscan symbol far before the Romans. It was used as a symbol of unity for the 12 cities under the Etruscan League. This signifys the weakness of one Etruscan city. They are stronger together, as a bundle of sticks is strong when formed together!
Classic Rome. Steal shit, get famous for it.
They were super good at it too lol
@@Michael-bn1oi while 99% of the times this is true, early Roman society and culture was so much mixed and influenced with Etruscan that you can say that they were also partly Etruscan from the very beginning.
The same bundle of sticks alagory has been made countless times in history by many cultures.
While you are correct, the Etruscans created the Fasces Symbol. Which was my entire point to begin with. @@kennethferland5579
@@massimob4588 That isn't really how that works. Besides, it's an older Greek story anyway. Famous Aesop fable
It all comes down to how one defines Fascism. If you use one set of criteria; they might very well be, using another set, one might conclude they are Imperialist or Authoritarian... But even if there are distinctions between them: the fact that it is so hard to differenciate... Probably means that they are at least very similar in nature.
thats a very convoluted way to say yes, they are nazis
That sounds like a better descriptor for the german empire
Because when you think imperialism and authoriterianism really? Fascism is a Totalitarian ideology that is nationalist that views foreign ethnic groups as unassimilateble
Only reason italy was imperialist was because of the rome larp
I think we should consider the definition Mussolini himself gave about the system, he is mostly the one who came up with it, so for me it makes a lot of sense, he wrote a book about it. Also if I remember right, he was a communist most of his youth but he ended up getting kicked from most communist groups.
@TheRedHand101"If you love our country you are national, and if you love our people you are a socialist." - Oswald Mosley
He started the Fascist party in Britain because he was an economic socialist who held different social views from the Labour and Conservative parties at the time. The Socialists you're referring to were Marxist, which are just one type of Socialists like you said. Also, it was these Marxists that usually attacked him first.
@TheRedHand101 Socialism is public ownership of the means of production, it does not necessarily mean "democratic ownership." Socialists of various Socialist beliefs always insert their own definition on what Socialism is, but ultimately it is public ownership. Nationalization is a form of Socialism because the state is a public entity, not a private individual. If the state is in control of the economy, that is Socialism. Also, the Nazis never "privatized" their economy, they never even used that term. They did what is known as "Gleichschaltung" which is the synchronization of private businesses into the state. It was de facto nationalization. When a private business becomes synchronized with the state, it is no longer private.
Putin appears to have a personal appreciation for certain fascist ideologues at the very least, but I think his personal ideology is somewhat secondary to the more purely pragmatist policy of the state he runs. Yet it can be noted Mussolini himself was entirely in favor of the sort of pragmatism that the utterly inconsistent Russian propaganda machine employs to try to scrounge together support from Russian society. Further, whilst I'm personally partial to the description of a 'mafia state' in regards to this, the Russian 'system' does certainly have the element of a "merger of state and corporate power" that Mussolini also attributed to his ideology - though in a less centralized and totalising fashion than in China, which really has mastered that part.
Nice description. It is an odd mashup of a mafia state and fascist state. The population control aspect has really swung almost 180 degrees since the start of the war. The initial population control mechanism was indifference. Don't get involved and you won't get hurt. Very much a kleptocracy. With the war there is the need to motivate a population that, for decades, had been intentionally demotivated. The latest is straight out of the fascist playbook. Victimhood, enemies everywhere, Russia is a great nation, etc. What is interesting is that this is completely at odds with the previous form of indoctrination (indifference) and therefore is not exactly working as well as Putin hopes it might.
Calling people fascist for rejection of cancel culture?
@@sivaratnamasabaratnam8946Hindutvas like you are with no uncertainty fascists
Putin does not have an ideology, you guys consider him of too high opinion. He’s just a frustrated chairman that wants to keep the chair as long as he lives.
@@sivaratnamasabaratnam8946 no, calling them fascists cause they make fascist laws in russia and act as ones in the international politics. Do your research and don’t be a 🐑 or at least go to the next comment and see what says a russian citizen.
For the moment Russia seems more of an autocratic regime, without a clearly defined ideology. This of course doesn't make it any less dangerous, particularly when it comes to succession: regardless of how things go Putin isn't immortal and there doesn't seem to be a clear successor, opening up to potential power struggle between the apparatchiks (which is somewhat present already, as shown by Wagner/MOD feud and its conclusion)
I say it's more of a mafia state, how Putin and the elites run Russia is like a mafia pump and dump operation.
Yeah when he dies i do think it will get very bloody
When it comes to "fear of difference", Mussolini signed the Concordat in 1929 and stayed within a monarchical system which ultimately deposed him. A number of these points don't match Italian fascism or German national socialism, let alone Franco's traditionalist regime.
So what?
They match fascism of all these
I think that’s the biggest issue, the identity of fascism has been blown out (especially in the west). I’d say Russian is more authoritarian, with Russian Nationalism at its heart.
Authoritarianism with a dose of ultra-nationalism is the fundamental structure underlying fascism. :/
@@LeCharles07 Combined with straight male sexual anxiety.
I would not say it's about some kind of Nationalism. It's just about thiefs trying to keep their power with no solid ideology. The ideology transforms under wishes of current elite groups and Putin himself. If tomorrow Putin decides to suddenly stop the war the people mostly wouldn't say a thing. It's more like Saddam's Iraq analogy for me
@@LeCharles07no, even worse, fascism + extreme nationalism and xenophobia is nazism.
Totalitarianism and fascism exist within authoritarianism. Autocracies in monarchies do as well.
i ll just quote one of the todays podcasters : "Are we comparing everything to WW2 and fascism because this is the only history we know?"
Or maybe it is more relevant right now due to the chronological proximity?
Everyone judges some thing by what they are exposed to in a cultural ethos. First rule of first contact studies.
Half of your points on Russian facism can be applied on Many other countries and regimes including not excluding isreal......the US during its middle Eastern campaign..... China.... India and more
No
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its the truth ..... specially for isreal which currently has a hard core racist expansionist gev with near to total political power
@@Dimitris_Half
most of those countries don't like the ideology itself but inforce its policies exept isreal and China who actually practice racial segregation and religious prosecution actively
He lost all credibility the moment he used " Transphobic " and " homophobic " . He just exposed himself as a westoid propagandist .
@@emperoremyhriv4968 thats leaterly the Stance of the Chanel in modern affairs
10:32 "Propaganda in Russia claims that NATO is backing Ukraine," How is that propaganda? Many key members of NATO has given Ukraine 10's of Billions of dollars in aid, including arms and munitions.
That is taken out of the context. The full sentence is: "Propaganda in Russia claims that NATO is backing Ukraine, hence justifying Russian military failures." Point is not that NATO countries are not backing Ukraine, but that propaganda uses the limited support to explain away the military failures.
@KingsandGenerals But then wouldn't that actually make the "propaganda" factually true?
If this was purely a 1v1 contest of arms, without HIMARS, Javelins, 155mm shells and western AFVs, wouldn't the Russians have already attrited Ukraine's war materiel to the point of combat ineffectiveness?
So would that not actually account for a significant number of their set backs in the latter half of the war?
@@the_Kutonarch Your comment feels naïve. All good lies has nuggets of truth in them. Russian state media has repeatedly said that there's official NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine, not just volunteers.
@@Thealle09I'm sure they're just like the "volunteers" nazi Germany sent to Spain, or the Soviet Union sent there too...
@@Thealle09 There are (were?) NATO special forces in Ukraine. Whether or not they are directly involved is not known and I highly doubt they're not. However, Ukraine is an associate of NATO member states, and even non-NATO member states support the training of Ukrainian troops (there are, for example, Australian troops training Ukrainians in the UK).
Irrespective of this, the Russian media have set this up as a Manichean struggle between the forces of NATO (which are either pitifully weak, or incomprehensibly strong, depending on the battlefield conditions that day) and Russia, which stands as a bastion of tradition, Christianity and order in a chaotic world. This is common authoritarian rhetoric and at least according to Eco's description of fascism, fascist in nature.
What a brilliant and respectful way to advertise a related product without breaking context!
The problem as I see it with Eco's 14 criteria is that it's a mixture of political characteristics of ultranationalism on one hand, and a mixture of political characteristics of authoritarianism and militarism on the other hand. Fascism, in the most broad terms possible, being a revolutionary authoritarian, militaristic, ultranationalist state. If you compare the checklist to any country, having half the boxes ticked simply doesn't work in qualifying it as "half-fascist" or inherently on the road to fascism, simply because those same boxes can be used to define literally any modern political state that leans into authoritarianism and militarism, including communist regimes and degenerated liberal democracies. There HAS to be an overwhelming mix of all criteria in order to determine that it is fascist-esque in nature. But of the 8/14 ticked boxes; literally all of them describe the state and politics of the Soviet Union and it's leaders, too. The key boxes which qualify Ultranationalism (particularly boxes 1, 3, 5, 10) are all unticked.
No, Russia, like most former Soviet countries; is a cynical post-Soviet authoritarian state based almost entirely on the standard Russian political-cultural outlook that has existed since the Tsars. Only now instead of the aristocracy, or communist party elites pulling the strings, it's post-Soviet oligarchs. There is too much racial, ethnic, cultural, religious, linguistic diversity within Russia for it to ever seriously go down the road to Fascism, without radical demographic change in a particular direction first.
"If you compare the checklist to any country, having half the boxes ticked simply doesn't work in qualifying it as "half-fascist" or inherently on the road to fascism"
Non-fascist countries do not even tick half the boxes, because when examined together they are useful in successfully identifying fascism. That's why its a valid list of characteristics.
"literally all of them describe the state and politics of the Soviet Union and it's leaders"
Which was fascist, just dressed up in red aesthetics. This proves the point you're arguing against.
"There is too much racial, ethnic, cultural, religious, linguistic diversity within Russia"
This makes no sense, Germany in the 40s was an ethnic, cultural, religious and linguistically diverse country. Still the state was taken over by fascists.
This statement seems to rely on the idea that fascists will never try to purge society of undesirables, which is silly.
@@Khalkara Any remotely authoritarian state ticks most of the boxes, but doesn't make them fascist.
The Soviet Union was the premier Marxist state. Nothing defines the Marxist state more than the Soviet Union. Words have meanings, and Marxists aren't fascists by definition.
Yes, and when Russia begins to ethnically cleanse it's non-Russian populations is when it could reasonably be considered to be going down that path.
@@Khalkaraagreed
@@Khalkara germany was not diverse...
Having different german dialects is not diversity ...
The majority Ethnicity was also german ...
Don't argue for the sake of arguing
@@rishavkumar1250 The majority ethnicity for the USA is white. Does that now mean the USA isn't a diverse country?
Take your own advice, don't argue for sake of arguing. Your point is clearly silly.
Stop overusing the term 'fascism'. Being an authoritarian regime does not make you fascist.
Pretty close though.
Depends on how vague your definition of facism is.
Some people think a police state which suppresses minorities is not a facist state because they don't commit genocide.
While others think not being able to drive 160mph in a school road is facism.
@@loowick4074 That's why we have the term 'authoritarian' to indicate that. People just use fascism nowadays to sound more dramatic. Fascism is a very specific form of authoritarian government that has very distinct from the common dictatorship.
Another person who hasn't watched the video, typical
You people should stop misusing the term "authoritarian" in stead.
Authoritarian just means strict obedience to an authority, you know like when you strictly obey the the anti-murder laws.
Its a neutral and vague term that can used to refer to either good or bad things.
Fascist on the other hand is commonly defined and its definition fully applies to Russia:
_a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition_
@@KingsandGenerals This wasn't towards the video. More to the dumb comment section.
Russia isn't facist. It's just that a lot of very strategic people end up falling out windows.
It's just coincidence. Could happen to any country.
True Russia is known for it's notoriously dangerous window.
Fascism is when people fall out of windows? Because democracies have never assassinated important people?
Really critics of Putin or opposition died or imprisoned, let’s not discuss the z symbol and ethic attacks while putting Ukrainians in camps is just evidence.
Russia is the only place I'd prefer working and living in one story only high buildings
Russia fits the definition of fascism very, very well.
I really enjoy the content on this channel, but Russia isn't fascist. It's simply an authoritarian oligarchy. If you look at Russian history, Putin's regime is just a weaker iteration of the communist and tsarist regimes that proceeded it. Russia is a different culture from the rest of Europe and the West needs to accept that. Peter the Great, Stalin, and Putin just take what they like from the West while maintaining an iron grip on power. Western-style democracy does not work in countries where collectivism dominates the society.
Collectivism is a weird word to use. No place is inherently collectivist or individualist. Current Russia is extremely not collectivist.
That's fair, we aught to be careful with making over generalizations. There are definitely Russians who do want real democracy. Unfortunately, if history is anything to go by, democracy will never triumph in Russia. But we can hope. The 21st century is an unprecedented time.
Russia is 100% fascist by nature; Russians repeat fascism: they declare that there is no Ukraine, and they kill the nation, destroy cities. They overthrew the power of the tsarist government and killed them without sparing the tsar’s children. The children were shot point-blank!
RuZZia is always fascist, obviously u see Hungary in 1961, Czechoslovakia 1969, Katyn, Greece, Africa, Georgia, Ukraine
"I'm not going to go deep and say, I'm a nationalist, a patriot, an imperialist, and so forth. I'll say it outright: I'm a N*zi." - Alexey Yurievich Milchakov, co-founder of Rusich, a Russian mercenary group that fought in Ukraine alongside Russian soldiers.
Wagner’s founder was identified after the plane crash due to the Nazi tattoos on his body. You really can’t make this stuff up.
Sounds like he's part of that 20% that is nazi then.
While I don't agree with all the points raised in this video, I appreciate its overall quality, thank you for sharing. I'm one of those who chose to leave the country following the onset of the war. My departure was motivated by my refusal to financially support the government through taxes, as I view the 'special military operation' as a criminal act against both Ukraine and Russia. In my opinion, Russia is more fascist than not. Despite the polarization in society, public opinion is sidelined completely. The country is controlled by a mafia and guarded by an army of siloviks.
Thank you for the choices you made. Not everyone is going to have a solution available, but you made the very important choice to not be part of the problem. I wish you well.
>fascism is when authoritarianism
unironically the republican defination fascism
ANTIfa is fascist because they hate muh freedumbs and democracy and muh. buumstick
Yes they do but is there another word for them of have you forgotten something from only some decades ago humanity’s stupidy yet genius knows know bounds
The solution is simple the end of "Russia" and take away the Muscovite oppression and land grab east of Nizhzy-Novgorod.
@@mattmannlvcasame for the landgrab west of the 13 colonies
I remember when this was a history channel...
Fascism is a historic movement and they literally played clips of a documentary on fascism in Italy in the 20th century. It is being about history, history isn't in a vacuum detached from today.
From what i seen on the internet so far the term "Fascist" seem to be used again anyone Western dont like at this point
And also used among westerners against other westerners they don't like. It's a meaningless term, and equivalent to name calling. It's infantile, but on a culture that grew up with star wars and other hollywood slop that portrays everyone villain as a nazi in some form, you can hardly be surprised that the average person's vocabulary is as equally simplistic.
To be fair, Russia's entire casus belli is based on Ukraine being a nazi state too, so now it's established foreign policy to fatuously accuse people of being nazis so you don't have to think to hard about who to support. 'Nazis' are now the secular variant of the devils or demons, and people are equally as superstitious about them now as savages were about evil spirits and other such nonsense in the past.
That may be true, but even a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day. Modern day Russia is most definitely a fascist state, not because the west says so, but because it fits every modern definition of it.
It seems from looking at the comment section that a lot of people don’t understand the difference between national socialism and fascism. Fascism is based more off of nationality while national socialism is based off of race. So for example a German Jew can be ethnically, culturally, and linguistically german but because of his blood he will never be German according to national socialism. In fascism however an Italian jew would be considered Italian as long as he identified as Italian , spoke the language, and had the same cultural values. There were Jews on the fascist grand council. Fascist Italy didn’t get any sort of racial laws until 1938 and it was clearly put in place to butter up Hitler who mussolini feared.
Iattacku..Mussolini was more sensible in that sense Hitler's traits still exist in the form of social Darwinism as studies!
This is a stupid point because the italian fascists also genocided ethnic minorities including jews and practiced colonial genocide in libya.
You are spreading fascist whitewashing-propaganda
This whole concept shows that the scars of the Crimean war have not healed and also the great game never truly ended
Well the Royal Navy did beat the Black Sea Fleet back to the stone age
lol
That's true. Once Imperial Russia came out of the Napoleonic wars with their established borders they had no intentions on waging anymore wars against Western Great powers. Their entire attention was expanding South into the Muslim world. Russia wanted to work with their fellow Europeans/Christians to destroy the non-Christian spheres. They hoped to carve up the Ottoman Empire with the Great powers. But instead Britain decided that it must be an opponent in everything that Russia does throughout the 1800s. This psychologically changed Russia to be secular in their interests like the rest of the West who has been poisoned by secular ideology which in turn led to the world wars.
These are the scars of the Cold War
@@Lex.rscars of russian imperialism, scars of the interwar period, scars of the cold war, scars of the 90s. So many scars.
I love how when ever someone critisizes russia or points out that it is authoritarien at least all the tankies creep out with US bad ( which is largely agreeable regarding the past)
Tankies are communist. So Tankies support a fascist regime?
Because it's cope on their behalf. To them US is bad so everyone else is allowed to be scumbags, let's not forget the origins of Tankies.
@@lupisvolk2420It's actually revealing in and of itself, especially when you consider how much Russia force feeds propaganda to contrarians looking for an ideology to belong to. Russia, and China, transparently want to be like what they perceive the US as. They see the US as an imperialist bully that can do what we want because we claim to fight for an ideal and provide security for allied countries. And the fact that many wannabe demagogues in those countries have pretty much said that they think their systems are more effective because "they don't let minorities do what they want" is even more telling.
And after writing all that, and looking at genocides like those in Xinjiang and Chechnya, I'm now definitely of the opinion that Russia is fascist-esque. I think that we're seeing a new evolution of a horseshoe version of fascism lite from formerly leftist authoritarian systems.
Tankie excuse is whataboutism which is flimsy because with that logic all crimes are excusable because they occurred in the past elsewhere
@@lupisvolk2420 The U.S destabilized the governments of the entirety of Latin America so that our corporations can use their cheap labor. Over sixty U.S military interventions across 23 Latin American countries since the beginning of the Cold War. Then, when the consequences of our interventions come in the form of mass migration, the U.S builds militarized walls with barbed wire and guns because that's easier than offering aid to all the countries we've destroyed. The U.S declares wars based off lies, such as Iraq and Vietnam. The U.S invades who it wishes without international consent. The U.S bombs who it wishes. A million people have been killed across the Middle East since the start of the War on Terror. Did you know that? It's not that everyone else is allowed to be a scumbag. It's that they feel justified in their military force because, well, "look at the U.S. They can do it without repercussions, so why can't we?"
in fact, polls that show high war support and those that show readiness for peace talks are not contradictory, as they both support putin's narrative - he wants the war to continue, but also to have peace talks and freeze the conflict for a year or two while keeping the territorial gains in order to get a breather russia so desperately needs
The first box should also be ticked as there is a clear push for the cult of the tradition, although in the case of a post tsarist, post-soviet multinational Russia, it is unclear what specifically the tradition could be.
Soviet
Putin’s speeches and symbolism in the country tries to mesh Soviet ideology with the tradition of the imperial czar. Russia has always seen itself as the benefactor of the fall of Byzantium or eastern half of the Roman empire. That is the play on tradition.
Although there are some fascist or fascist-inspired elements in Putin's regime, it was still a far cry from pure fascism.
Some have pointed out that even Stalin's USSR ticks close to half these boxes.
It's because the lists essentially collects authoritarian, pro-militaristic, and ultra nationalist traits. Which combined give fascism.
Such a list needs to check a lot of boxes. Maybe 2, 3 left optionally unchecked for it to be a strong argument by itself.
Russia under Putin is a textbook example of fascism and one of only three nations that were actually fascist in our history. It's not hyperbole.
Fascism was invented in Italy as well as nazism in Germany based on unique conditions of those times. Similar logic is also applicable to Russia, and, as it already appear in publications, their system is most likely will be characterized by their own term - rushism.
The z stands for their frat: this is just a crazy, multi-year rush week.
Agree. Fascism will not look 100% like Nazi Germany when it is implemented. Russia does have a lot of similarities to 1930s Germany though (victimhood, declining economy, loss of a lot of territory, national humiliation, aimless direction, and a desired enemy for revenge). Germany lost the Great War, Russia lost the Cold War (not a live war but it was felt with loss of lands, collapse, etc.). I will say that modern Russians seem to be calling more back to their Czarist past versus USSR past though.
@@volbound1700What about Boy George Fascism?😀
Russian National Capitalist?
Natsional'nyy kapitalizm
The Natliz
German National Socialist…
The Naz…
(Rushism don't exist)
Why only Russia? Many countries including the USA have some attributes of fascism.
80% of the comments haven’t bothered to watch an actual video.
You gave 5 or 6 different, some vague, interpretations of the word.
How can we make a video on whether or not Russia is Fascist, when we can’t establish a concrete definition of the term?
Either way what government today doesn’t have, by definition, elements of this?
All governments have the elements of this. Russia just ticks more boxes than most.
@@segalman again, Fascism and Nazism are different in this regard.
@@KingsandGenerals what I meant was I feel like framing the intro without giving a clear definition doesn’t really give the viewer confidence going into the video, anyway I recognize and appreciate the work you did on the video.
@@dragonlotion1789 20% of the video is spent on defining the fascism. Need to watch beyond the intro.
@@KingsandGenerals you don’t need 20% just a paragraph
When considering the regime, I found it way too optimistic your evaluation on some of the points from Eco's list of fascist characteristics. Putin's current rhetoric relies heavily on the cult of tradition, even if not justifiably so. The fear of difference is also very much present in the attempt to belittle the "western values". And certainly there is contempt for the weak, directed at those who refuse to fight the war and flee mobilization. Putin said it's good that they leave the country because they are "like cockroaches", too "westernized" and therefore the country would be stronger without them. Selective populism is very much present too, being the main tool used by the propaganda to try to persuade the masses, with ambitious jingoistic state-sponsored public events and a flood of carefully nationalistic narratives dictating the agenda on the also state-controlled media. I would definitely check 12 out of the 14 boxes on that list!
Much of this failed war comes from Putins attitude towards the west, and in his mind he is mocking the west as weak for not being fascist like russia. He believes that the west lacks the will to fight a long war, and that its population is easily manipulated by russian trolls. To some degree he might be right, but now he seems to have overplayed his hand.
He refused the overly generous and humiliating peace deal Ukraine had to offer him in the beginning of last year. But Putin was greedy and still throught he had the upper hand on the battlefield and underestimated wests willingness and ability to support Ukraine - and the result was more military defeats.
But Putin was still not giving up. He still believed in russian greatness, and that his enormous untapped reserves would bring him victory when he declared a first wave of mobilization. He also seems to believed that the EU would be able to hold togheter for as much and for as long as it did and push through sanction package after sanction package. In autumn 2022 Putin still believed that a cold winter and high energy prices would crush Europes economy and the willingness to support Ukraine - but his gamble failed.
He also gambled that the mid-term elections in USA could end with a victory for the pro-russian politicians that would stop all military aid to Ukraine but he got dissapointed. The elections in France and Italy also became dissapointments for Putin, as Macron was the most pro-ukrainian candidate and he won the election, Meloni was suspected to be pro-Putin before the election, but after the election she have strongly supported Ukraine in her rethoric.
And now does the war seem to have gotten out of hand for Putin. He now seriously realize there is a risk russia might lose this war. But he fights on hoping fortune will somehow save him, that Trump wins the us election and cuts aid to Ukraine. Or that some country in Europe gets fed up by the war. To me it seems like he is turning more and more towards wishful thinking.
Exactly, not to mention that this video ignored that insane genocidal rhetoric being used against the Ukrainians.
In short: No
Also Ironic
In short: Kind of (Putin is not _purely_ fascist or nazi like Mussolini or Hitler, but would glasly adopt some chapters from their playbooks if it feels like helping his agenda)
georgi dimitrov is not a person to be looked up to for any definitions or anything.
Yep. Communist ideologists had made major contribution into diluting the word "fascist" into oblivion.
This is pretty ridiculous.
You didn't establish much in the way of a working definition. Frankly, why didn't you just go to the source and see what Mussolini said since he was the major advocate of the term?
In doing so, you just further dilute the term into the same pseudo-religious term of evil.
its not actually fascist in the traditional sense, but the modern term means anything authoritarian
@@user-jt4pk8ii4zAs Mussolini envisioned it.
@user-jt4pk8ii4z the actual ideology of fascism. I. E.: everything in the sate, nothing with out the state, nothing against the state being the stated goal of the people in charge. That would mean all businesses would to some degree belong to the state. It's a matter of all fascist countries are authoritarian, but not all authoritarian countries are fascist.
@@CaspertheSarcasticGhostThat still sounds like a 6 of 1 situation. Everything in Russia runs by the whims of Putin and his oligarch allies or government toadies. And being that the only nation that specifically called itself fascist was another bundle of contradictions, I think it's legitimately hard to say there's a clear definition of fascism
@@CaspertheSarcasticGhostwell that does not sound like the traditional meaning of fascism
@15:11 most of the military casualties are from Russia’s non-Russian and Non-Slavic minorities from Siberia, the Urals, the Caucasus, and the Far East. The tiny minority of Ethnic Russian causalities, are mostly working-class and only a tiny fraction are from Moscow or St. Petersburg. Moreover, most of the people fleeing conscription, are middle-class, upper middle-class, and upper-class Russians living in those two main cities. Ironically, you can also note the difference in their wealth, by where they move to, after fleeing Russia. Those in Georgia or Serbia tend to be the poorest amongst them. Whilst those in Turkey and Kazakhstan tend to be those with some money. Whereas, those with a lot of money, can be found in cities like Singapore, Dubai, London, and Monaco.
Moreover, If Putin wants to win Russia’s masses, he should start with confiscating the properties and assets of the almost one million draft dodgers and the affluent Russians that choose to flee at the first sign of trouble, even though, they were the greatest winners of society.
And of-course give it away to the masses.
Show evidence about conscription to the front not Russians or you are a liar.
Kings and general why don't you make a documentary on the fascism of the Israelites against the unarmed and innocent people of Palestine ? Is it because Israelites have more money than Russian?
I think we are still in the development of a fascist regime in Israel. You would be absolutely correct by applying apartheid regime. Describing all Palestinians as innocent or unarmed, is disingenuous at best. The question of justification in there cause is a reasonable one, however.
@@longforgotten4823 most of the Palestinians have no weapon at all.even if some of them has weapons which are pretty much outdated as compared to Israel. And what will you do when someone steals your homeland and still continues to kill children or otherwise break theirs legs with rod.
Why use Umberto Ecco when you can use something like the Doctrines of Fascism if you want to see if a country is Fascist or not???
I can see them being fascistic in the ways they deal with other nations bur not so much internally. If anything I'd say their being imperialistic.
and chauvinistic toward Ukrainians
Fascists are in practice always imperialist. These aren't mutually exclusive.
@teddypicker8799 very good example.
@teddypicker8799 here In the States the concept of Manifest destiny was extremely imperialistic however still a democratic nation.
Yep. The people who make the script for this video should read what Fascism actually is.
According to "Fascist Manifesto" by Mussolini, Fascism actually calls for:
1. Universal Suffrage
2. Increase the minimum wage and lower the retirement age
2. Unionization of all workers and more control/influence by the workers in the running of the private companies and national economy in general.
3. Nationalization of critical industries (namely armament industry, utilities, etc)
4. Capital tax and redistribution of wealth
5. Seizure/abolition of church property
*Fascism is actually a center-left ideology,* and *NOT* "far right".
Putin's regime is "center-right" (relatively pro-business with rather strong central authority, dominated by the oligarchs and state bureaucrats). Russia is imperialist and expansionist power, not "Fascist'.
An interesting attempt at categorisation.
I, however, fear you left out some important criteria:
- fiddling with election results? Check
- imprisoning political opponents? Check
- Leaders enriching themselves at taxpayer expense? Check
- resorting to absolute lies (like the "great patriotic war"? Check
Knowing if it's fascism, authoritarian and/or kleptocracy is academic
Fascism was a very specific movement in Italy which some other countries during the 30s and 40s and later tried to emulate to differing degrees. Fascism has become synonymous with authoritarian militaristic nationalism. But obviously USSR could be described to having becoming this so it’s not a useful term at all. The only people who want to make fascism a special term are Marxists who behave in the exact same way
Agreed
They're not really talking about the USSR, though.... 😂😂
There's usually a distinction made between capital F Fascism and fascism, a political ideology. Aggressive nationalistic authoritarianism is a pretty ok fit for lower case fascism. It's a way of ideologically mobilising a nation into militaristic-like state, even if the state doesn't end up going to war like Pinochet's Chile.
The Soviet Union was aggressive nationalistic authoritarianism, so is China and North Vietnam was spurred by a nationalistic uprising against Americans. These traits aren't distinctive to fascism. Its unhelpful to suggest nepulous terms like machiso or forced military draft means fascism.
It seems a lot of this video is deriving from the pseudoscientific 'F Scale' which was developed by marxist academics, to pathologise social policies that were common place before WW2 as 'fascistic'.
Take an example from the video, the notion that social shaming for draft dodging lends to Russia being considered fascist, and yet the very same jingoistic mehtods were used by Great Britain during WW1. Would anyone describe Great Britain as fascist? Maybe, but not the majority.
Fascism was a specific ideology for Italy and a handful of other mainly catholic central european groups which didn't really go very far or have much influence.
When you say fascism with a small f, you just mean the catch all term Marxists have for any country or group that has up to or beyond the typical militaristic and authoritarian tendencies of basically every great power in Europe before the world wars. Which is why I think its arbitrary. Sorry for the long rant but also just laying down my thoughts on the matter pertaining to my original comment. @@FiikusMaximus
Can yall make a video about Xanthippus leading a Carthaginian army against the Romans?
No we just do vague videos about russia now and occasional semi-decent videos, the good stuff is now limited almost exclusively to their member's playlist.
What they used to dilever regularly is now behind a paywall, and we are instead getting non-stop speculation of modern situations we didn't see the full ramifications on in a history channel.
I really feel channels like these should leave speculation to the professionals and leave the topics until the situations concluded, its weird for kings and generals to cover a war currently happening making assumptions when their whole field is talking about history without bias.
A country: being aggressive
Westoid liberals: is this fascism?
its not that simple
@@SwedishDrunkard5963 you're right, it's not.
Russia is remarkably left leaning internally. There's hardly anything in Russia that is not highly regulated. Ethnic nationalism is prosecuted by the state. And the whole anti-lgbt policy has nothing to do with the American tradcon thing everyone is familiar with nowadays. Not to mention, the main declared goal of the military operation is to crack down on Ukrainian ethnic nationalism, which is because it's inherently anti-soviet and anti-socialist.
Thing is, the whole media thing these days calls everything 'fascism'. The word is so frivolously used anything that is against NATO interests is labeled fascist.
@@sarmatiancougar7556 oh russia is not very left leaning, just becouse somethings are regulated does not mean its left leaning and I would say they are regulating the things needed to hold power becouse they want power and not becouse its a leftist thing (regulation is both a leftist and righist thing) altho the left still likes regulations, and they still are prosecuting lgbtq becouse it sees it as unmoral and a bad thing, also why its prosecuting ethnic nationalism is becouse it only wants one kind of nationalism a russian nationalism formed around every one being russian, and also thry have commited acts of genocide in ukraine and are commiting cultrual genocide some would say to take away the ukrainian culture which is based around a idea of ukraine not being a thing. the russian state is still nationalistic but not ethnic nationalistic.
also the war is about the russian state wanting to crush the ukrainian culture and indipendence totaly like I just said and is just using the fact that ukraine has a Nazi problem in its military as an excuse
As a Ukrainian, I will agree. Currently, Russia trying to restore Stalin's USSR with private property for peasants and the proletariat and without Gulag.
It's very hilarious actually. Anyone against lgbtq , feminism, or progressivism is regarded as " fascist " ,,🤦😂
I don't care much for the 14 points of fascism idea because almost everything on the list is something that at least SOMEONE is saying about EVERY political force.
Disagreement with Trump is tantamount to treason, yet at the same time disagreement with the "woke" leftist mob is likewise treated as an irrevocable and unforgivable sin. I'd say a lot of the points can be applied more generally to authoritarian leaning extremists of all stripes.
But almost all of what was said in the video can equally be applied to almost every Western country.
Cry, Vatnik, cry
Some of those can very much be ticked for the US, true. But not sure about almost all Western countries.
@@michimatsch5862 I live in Britain, and the state is becoming increasingly more and more fascist. I am not excusing Russia, but it's no worse than the USA, Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, ect.
@@Dale_The_Space_Wizard yeah, I see what you mean for those countries.
But like a lot of other countries are just, well, not getting better but they aren't on a trajectory to become fascist.
I just wasn't super on board with how broad the statement is if that makes sense.
@@michimatsch5862 OK, I'm probably speaking from a Anglocentric position, when I say most countries of the West, I'm talking about Britain, USA, Canada, Australie, maybe France ect. I'm not really considering the lesser peoples who could technically be considered as countries of the West, I assumed that the reader would understand what I meant.
What definition of fascism are we using today?
Literally in the video
@@KingsandGeneralswhat video are we talking about today?
Short answer, No
There's also an economic aspect to Fascism. Fascists hate Capitalism. Fascism demands an economic monopoly granted to industrialists that pass an ultranationalist purity test. A faction of those Industrialists gain political power in government institutions. Instead of geographic representation in government you have "The Chamber of Fasces and Corporations" like they had in Fascist Italy. Control over the economy is absolutely vital to Fascist and Socialist regimes.
Having been one of his students. I can tell you that Gentile's definition is the most complete, encompassing and useful. His work is indispensable to any scholar who wants to approach this subject.
Thank you, I have now ordered the book.
Nah, far from it.
Autocracy is more correct than fascist.
Like how France under Louis the 14th was an autocracy.
Everything revolves around the "sun king". Or the Tsar if you prefer.
Whatever the Tsar says, goes.
Absolute monarchy is not an autocracy.
Autocracy is defined by having seemingly democratic institutions that do not actually work as intended. Absolute monarchy does not have such institutions. The king rules by decree, he is not holding elections, even fake ones, he is not calling parliaments, even fake ones.
14 traits of facism everyone uses universally
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html&ved=2ahUKEwieneqexM2BAxUzlWoFHb_nBtQQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3yf4Kg3j91-ZW44snCU87n
@@KingsandGenerals
If you mean this as a generally valid definition, it is wrong.
Autocracys are not defined by having seemingly democratic institutions.
Autocracys are defined by a system of government in which absolute power is held by the ruler.
Absolute monarchies fit the definition perfectly, because the word was first used in greece to describe their own, very similar, monarchies and dictatorships.
Tyrants and kings with absolute power.
This is really great stuff. A video on a topic as difficult as this is rarely as good on UA-cam.
One of the best presented and most straightforward factual videos on UA-cam, thank you
Did KaG define 'fascist' in this video?
Literally third of the video is about the definitions
Is this a serious question? Russia is Russia, it dosen't fit any of your boxes. It is it's own unique society that can't be explained without being experienced.
That is deep. Especially considering the fact that one of us is actually steeped in the Russian culture and speaks fluent Russian and the other one isn't.
One more great vid by Kings and Generals
Wish u can upload more vid and faster
Love this channel so much
Next suggestions: compare with Maffia or failed state parameters?
Comparative analysis with similar regimes can also be helpful.
Though there are of course limits to these comparisons.
Hungary is a good example of a mafia state but it's also externally constrained by the EU.
My professor in eastern European history described Romania as a mafia state as well. He said it was definitely a mafia state when he and his family were there for 11 months in the early 2000s.
What I find rather... weird in something, is the fact that in Georgia(Country/Sakartvelo) we learned fascism's definition this way:
A far-rightwing authoritarian dictatorship under the goal of restoring Rome.
I'm not saying it's right, but it says something about Georgian government.
True for Mussolini. For a modern age the idea of restoring Rome is generalized into "irredentism", as it is deduced that Mussolini's goal to restore Rome was irredentist in nature.
Restoring rome lol
As often as "fascist" is tossed around all i can think of is the meme withe the anime guy with the butterfly.
If you ask in Latin America, for example, the US is a Facist regime. The history of interventions and support of alt right ditatorships are facts
Yeah and with the recent trans genocide and the taking peoples rights america supports. it's not even ambiguous anymore
They're facts, but would that be enough to say the US is a fascist regime? Or was, back in the 60s? Maybe the local dictatorships could be considered fascist, but the US is a long stretch. This kind of flexing of the facts is in itself populist...
@@jptrrs Well, you can read "The Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel P. Huntington, there In that book it is stated that the United States must remain a "white" society and that one of the greatest threats to society is the migration of Latinos. It not only criminalizes migrants, but also fuels white supremacy.
@@jptrrs Furthermore, this book is like an update of the American fundamentalist theories of Manifest Destiny and American exceptionalism. The book would not have greater importance, but unfortunately it defined the foreign policy of the West in the last 30 years.
I think modern Russia perfectly embodies the mew wave of proto-fascism. It operates in a way that allows it to credibly deny the label while still pulling from large parts of its vocabulary. The danger is that this kind of knife-edge walking is extremely precarious and will not take much of a miscalculation to rapidly cycle the drain. For people who so broadly despise post-modernism in society, they sure do like to merge it with far-right politics.
Fascism is nothing if not self-contradictory.
Now you guys are just making shit up
If the game Hoi4 ideology were to apply in this scenario...the Russian state's ideology would be an "Authoritarian democracy" or an "Paternal Autocracy." But it can also be an "Electoral Autocracy."
HoI is a good game, but it is a game.
Russia is an authoritarian state and is corrupt but so is the state they are fighting 😂
Electoral would be an strech though
Those aren't even ideologies in HOI4, you're, unsurprisingly, thinking about Kaiserreich.
@@UlfDerDritte which is a mod for HOI4.
I miss when this channel was about history, not modern conflicts.
PoV: you don't know how time works and also can't figure out how to navigate UA-cam
History in the making though
Wasn’t the last video about ancient Egypt. Someone clearly doesn’t know what he is talking about
@@iattacku2773 , he's just upset that Russia is getting criticized.
I don't like Russia either, fuck them and their bloodthirsty war, but apparently wanting a history channel to be more about history and less about modern politics is a bad thing.
Quite hilarious how many comets were clearly written pre watching the video. 😂
Nice work. 👍🏻
Eco was such a genious, Italy lost of one his greatest intellectuals when he passed away a few years ago.
I'd argue that Russia is too multi-ethnic to embrace facism in the classical sense. Facism requires the subordination of all other ethnicities to one supreme ethnic group. That kind of racism would tear a multi-ethnic nation like Russia apart into civil war.
Ever heared of _rusification?_
@@fabovondestory like banning russian language in Donbass?
Americans can find fascism even in their salad
Solo un italiano poteva dire una cazzata del genere😂
@@pieroo7 beh si sono italiano da cosa l'hai capito ? Cmq se sei uno di quei masochisti italiani che hanno il feticcio di parlare male dell' Italia all'estero ti do una notizia, non fai una bella figura e gli esteri pensano che sei mona anche te
Wait, are you saying that there is nothing fascistic about a Caeasar Salad? Clearly it is the most authoritarian and militaristic salad on the menu. We should all obviously be ashamed of ourselves for not hating and protesting against them!
@@Dystopia1111ironically that salad was created by a Mexican chef if my memory serves…
@@MJA5 I'm having a paradigm-shattering moment like when I found out that the Italians copied the idea for pasta from the Chinese, haha.🙃. Got to love odd and obscure historical factoids like that.
One would wander what Ukraine, the UK and the US are called
Well, I am Russian American, living in NJ, this morning while driving to work I was listening to a radio (101.5) and a radio host said that we shouldn’t help “fascist Ukraine”. I understand the frustration of my fellow Republicans, but that was complete BS.
What do you think about Christie’s performance last night?
@@badkneesone did not watch. Would not vote for Chubbz anyway. Honestly I like Nikky Haley more and more.
@@Stakan79 She’s got to tone it down, most of them do.
@@badkneesone in my opinion she’s kinda moderate Republican, especially compared to Ramaswamy fella.
Did you know Biden sent my Governor , Hollywood Newsom, to “observe the debate”. He had some smug remarks afterwards. No comment from him about CAs 6 dollars a gallon plus gas.
Polls? Really? In country where 95% of population refuses to answer it?
If you mention Levada you should also mention % of corresponded who agree to answer questions.
No next question
Russia as a whole? No. Putin? He is getting there fast, probably already there... But he doesn't want to further bite off more than he can chew. He might want to but practically that's difficult.
A video like this on Ukraine as well please.
Zelensky was elected, the people ousted a Russian puppet, and Zelensky is not an isolationist ultra-conservative state and is actively trying to integrate with Modernism. Russia will always be more authoritarian and closer to fascism than you will wish for
OMG.... Russia invaded, killing people and seizing territory.... w r talking about Ukraine?
@@blazecraftworks8944 Firstly, I am not a supporter/admirer of the russian regime.
Secondly, ik Zelensky was democratically elected as a Reformee candidate against the corrupt poltical culture ukraine used ((?) *refers to how much progress was made before the war) to have.
Thirdly, ik about Zelensky's efforts to remove oligarchs from Ukraine, including the fact he did with the support of some oligarchs, who he chose to ignore in his oligarch policies.
Fourthly, Ukraine is an extremely conservative state - more so than either Poland or Hungary is - a typical far right culture arising out of the ashes of communist society is present there, just how it is today with the AFD in East Germany. Ukraine genuinely glorifies nazi collaborators from the Second World War, and such ethnocentric, racist and nationalist views are present throughout their society and military.
This is not a dig at nationalism in general. It is necessary for Ukraine to defend itself to the utmost extremes. Other consequences or benefits of it can be discussed later.
Fifthy, define Modernism - because the price tge west asks for supporting ukraine is ownership of every single asset of ukrainian public and private infrastructure, so even if ukraine win the war, they will never ever be independant again, as the western markets force them to be dependant on them and extract wealth from their nation.
Zelensky has consistently curtailed Ukrainian workers rights, but this is less important since this is just wartime necessity. Honestly, the war has made Zelensky a very different sort of political leader than he otherwise may have been, one who is dependant on western support.
Finally, I don't think Ukraine is a fascist state. Fascism is a very specific form of militaristic ultranationalism that I doubt will ever re-emerge in such a specific state again.
On the other hand, everything between right wing neoliberal democracy to conservatism to other varieties of far right ultranationalism, like Israel or Apartheid South Africa, are in and of themselves unique and nuanced formations, as distinct from fascism to one another.
Ukraine and Russian are not so far off from one another. One merely has more sophisticated assets of state repression an order of magnitude above the other.
@@blazecraftworks8944What?
I'm from Russia. And I will say this, the spirit of fascism is clearly felt in Russia, I’m not sure that I can definitely prove on every point that there is fascism in Russia, but in spirit, in atmosphere, yes, it’s definitely fascism. Also in Russia there is contempt for weakness, Russians mock defenseless animals, for example, but are afraid of their superiors and fall to their knees before him. As for contempt for foreigners, in Russia, in everyday situations, without any particular problems, it is customary to call all foreigners with very rude words, especially foreigners from the south, or Jews. Also, Russians believe that Ukraine does not exist, that "Ukrainians are actually Russians who were simply brainwashed and convinced that they are a different people“, so here we can add a tendency towards genocide, and this is definitely fascism
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I would be careful to say that the russians are hostage of a minority. We assumed the afghans and iraquis were oppressed and would be happy to be freed, but they reinstated the old power groups as soon as we left.
Even at the height of fascism, popular consensus was lukewarm. Still, the people fought for the regime for years.
It would be a false equivalence to compare Russia to Afghanistan, or any other state occupied by a colonial power. Russia also completely failed in Afghanistan, like the west did.
I recently read an article by a Russian about how peopel in his old very poor (by western standards) neigbourhood in Russia never had it as good as right now. There is a lot of money going to participants of the Invasion of Ukraine aswell as social prestige.
I guess we do to often look at what upper and middle class russians say/report about the impact of the war and the sanctions and dont think about the lower class russians for which the experience seems to be much "better".
I would wish that there was a popular uprising. But I dont think there will be one.
economy of Russia depends on world prices for oil and gas. After recession starts in the US Russians will become much poorer. And, naturally, the regime will blame the West)) "The sanctions finally worked"))
@@pedropalotes7638 Short-term the political turbulence in the West will be prevented by handouts by means of CBDC's. In the long run the only way for many Western countries to mitigate the effects of the Greatest Depression will consist in developing of post-Russian territories. Simply because presently there are not so many territories in the world that are underdeveloped and underpopulated. In the coming paradigm of extensive economic growth mid-size and small businesses will be more efficient in most sectors of economy than large corporations and in present Russia there are no conditions for growth of mid-size and small manufacturing businesses, which is typical for 3rd world countries ("crony capitalusm"). Therefore, Russia will be re-formatted by the West to make it (or the resulting states) more business-friendly. And most Russians will benefit from this transition, and, naturally, the beneficiaries of the present police regime will lose out. The same goes for Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan
It's better for thr clientele of the Russian system. That's just some poor
Problem of poverty in Russia is real, and first volunteer soldiers really received benefit for participation. But the longer it lasts, more pain and deception will come. Many families are left without fathers and do not receive any payments.
@@pedropalotes7638 indeed, beneficiaries of that conflict are not only russian rulers & business. But also west. Could have been finished a long time ago, but then no benefits for them
Part of the issue with defining 'fascism' is that, assuming it is 'right wing', we would expect it to be a system that upholds and maintains the status quo, as anything 'left wing' is usually anti establishment.
Problem is that many a time the fascists in history did actually overthrow/change the status quo to institute a new status quo. So its not as simple as that.
Such are the complexities of using the French Revolution as our model of what constitutes 'right wing' or 'left wing'.
I'm sure this is a neutral and unbiased documentary.
@starcool961 colonialism was wrong, We've supposedly learned from that. The British empire was a joke. Russia are still repeating history.
@@starcool961you can’t just call white people you don’t like fascists this will only legitimize actual fascists and you will be spreading actual nazi propaganda.
You bring up a good point... What happens to Russia after the war? We speak on the future of Ukraine often, but I haven't seen many people address Ukraine. I'm curious to see how this conflict affect the daily lives of Russians, both in Russia and abroad.
Rot, stupiditu, internal violence will escalate untill they have a good old revolution or civil war. They are monkeys who refuse to learn the value of democratic peaceful change of power and so they will murder each other like always
As a Russian, the future is indeed interesting, but unclear: Most of us accepted Putin, and believe in changes after his retirement. However nothing good has ever happened as a result of inactivity. So… now we wait, now we stay strong together in belief of happy and great Russia in the future)
Other ways in which Putin has sought to ground his regime in Russia's past are the statues he has erected of past historical fiigures. He is the first Russian ruler to erect a statue of Ivan the Terrible. Even Stalin, while he admired Ivan, did not erect a statue honoring this tyrant.Perhaps he feared that that would anger too many of his subjects. But Putin did it. He also had a statue built honoring Alexander III, one of the most harsh and autocratic of the tsars. Near the Latvian border, he erected a huge statue of Stalin near the borders of Latvia and Estonia. Perhaps a not-so-subtle reminder of what Stalin did to these countries when they resisted his conquest of them,
If you want a working understanding of what fascism actually looks like, watch the 2008 German film "Die Welle" (The Wave); it was inspired by a social experiment conducted by a high school teacher in California in the 60s. Fair warning, the ending is depressing (as it always is for fascism).
Go team venture
ive watched it, and while the film is great it really isn't an accurate portrayal of fascism. Just nationalism
Russian opposition leader asked russians on camera before war: We have money to raise you pay or we can began build new air carrier. what do you want? Answer was : lower our pay, govement need air carrier
There is nothing really Third Position about modern Russia. So no.
Thank you to the Kings and Generals channel for your excellent videos on countless topics. Regarding this video however I find the selected attempts to define fascism in the introduction unclear and somewhat misleading. I would suggest an alternative list of criteria for what defines a fascist regime as follows:
A) Political organization
1. Authoritarian/dictatorial and militarized
2. Threats and terror frequently used to consolidate position of power
3. Strongly developed propaganda apparatus with extensive use of new speak
4. Extensive indoctrination programs for the youth
5. No tolerance for political opposition
6. Aggressive foreign policy against declared enemies
B) Ideology
1. Revolutionary and ultra-nationalist
2. Anti-progressive and traditionalistic
3. Racist and cultural chauvinistic
4. Characterized by excessive xenophobia and contempt for weakness
5. Self-image based on perceived victimhood caused by both external and internal enemies of the state (dagger thrust legend)
As far as I can see, the regime in Russia today meets all criteria on this list both under political organization and ideology.
Before you are great now i dont think so 👎
It is gonna be ok
@@KingsandGeneralsdon't mind him he's definitely a Russian bot
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Of course "he's russian bot", which hate Ukranians for Wolyn?
Fascism is less of an identifiable “system” than other ideologies. It sprang up in a unique set of circumstances, and it didn’t even look the same in 1930s Germany and 1930s Italy. The term should be used less, IMO.
So why doesn't Europe stop whining and fight him?
because nukes.
The West fights by whining. Literally.
What did lose the USA two wars? Public approval.
Essentially pro-peace people won by whining so much the government had to stop funding the wars. Now the opposite have to happen.
because they buy oil and gas from them which by the way are transported through territory of Ukraine
How would you feel if Putin decided to nuke your Family's house? Would you like that idea?
Yeah, Europe really wants to get into a protracted war with the largest country on the planet. The issue with Russia is that even at its most backwards, its sheer scale makes it incredibly difficult to conquer.
Essentially, yes it is. Putin cosies up to and works with far right organisations and leaders. Unlike previous fascist leaders though, Putin is a little more accommodating towards those elsewhere on the political spectrum, as long as they back him (this being a key point. Those that don't get locked up or "vanish"). He also doesn't dare publicly denounce communism, as he knows it's part of Russia's history.
That was a very nuanced documentary! I didn't expect this conclusion, but it is balanced, accurate and fair. In grammar school in 2009, my best friend and I adopted a similar approach for our graduation project to examine the question whether the Russian invasion of Georgia was sufficient evidence that a New Cold War had now begun between Russia and the West/NATO. Our historical comparison ticked 4 out of 6 boxes. One box Russia was unable to tick was ideology: it was an incoherent mix of ideas; the other was that Russia lacked a Warsaw Pact 2.0.
This channel should avoid politics.
Awesome how deep you dive into the definitions/attributes of fascism and data on how closely Russia today aligns to them. Very academic!
Edit: just to be clear, I'm not saying it closely aligns. This video shows to what extent it does and to what extent it does not
I mean Canada is more fascist then Russia if truth be told....
It showed Russia didn't really tick many boxes... It's still a fair way off from fascism, it reminds me more of Stalin. Stalin invaded Poland, Baltics countries, Kingdom Of Romania, Finland, (Stole islands from Japan when Japan was pretty much already defeated), Tuva (Allegedly wanted to be part of the USSR), Oh he also took Kaliningrad buuut the Germans kinda deserved that one...
@@jordanx204 Russia hasn't exactly moved on, Putin daydreams of recreating the USSR
Saying putin is like stalin is still incorrect
The russia ukraine war fascism debate is the this ”””debate”””
Russia and it’s friends calls ukraine nazi/fascist ukraine and it’s friends in the west call russia fascist/nazi sometimes(rarely)
note in russian and western vocabulary fascism and nazism are the same and often just mean nazism to the point that actual nazis in the west and russia describe themselves as fascist
The most intresting thing about this that when russia is called fascist in some western news article the z symbol is turned into a swastika despite swastika being a symbol nazism not fascism
So get this in the 1930s there were actual russian fascists in machuria who called themselves fascists but they used the swastika because they liked hitler’s aestetics in flags
My nerve bundles are Fascist
Can you guys make video about nagorno karabakh conflict?
Yuck, you got some modernity in my history soup.
It is not "your" soup.
@@KingsandGenerals I would sell a kidney to have your narrator say “It is not ‘your’ soup” dramatically in a video.
Make anothe video: "Is the Chinese regime fascist or socialist?" (probably neither), please. I looked this topic up on the web, and it is similarly complex like this video.
You mean Fascist or Communist? Fascism is economically Socialist
Its more feudal than anything. The oligarchy is more political than business oriented, which is my opinion. But its definitely not communist, which some may claim
That is how fascists historically ran industries.
Marxists have had the applicable concept of “Neofeudalism” as one of several possible post-capitalist systems. It’s basically the stage at which capitalist ownership becomes universal and all power and control in the society is monopolized among the wealthy, who use rents to extract profit from the lower classes.
nice video i cant wait for
the second crusade video
I hope they make another video of this but about China this time XD