Starship Lore : Deep Stand-off Attack Ship (But the commonwealth STILL LOST)
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
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Let's discuss the Deep Stand-Off Attack Ship which had two different variants including the Righteous Fist of Heaven Class and the Siege Perilous Class.. But the commonwealth totally would have lost..
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They attac, they protec .. but they also defec ..
decfect?
@@supsup335 Defect .. Turn sides .. Just an Andromeda meme given al the backstabbing going on in the later seasons when they tried to reestablish the commonwealth
ships had habbit to go crasy
Well when you're xxx years old and you've watched your crew(s) die repeatedly only to be left alone and adrift for centuries... ya you might be a tad crazy.
@@TheJarric prolonged isolation tends to drive intelligent beings crazy
"Fire Missiles!"
"How many?"
"ALL OF THEM!"
Remember the Commonwealth does have an Attack pattern that's basically CARPET BOMB SPACE!!!!
It worked in Star Trek Nemesis.... lol
*admiral Cole wants to know your location*
You just have to love to commonwealth naming conventions XD
RedBaron97 ...Try playing Warhammer 40K.
@@BigGator5 Yeah, they got Interesting names as well!
The commonwealth took a page out of the warhammer 40k naming conventions.
@@TentaclePentacle ah no that would be the other way around since andromeda started in the late 90's.
@armymatt83
Warhammer 40k started in 91.
This show has one of the best computer authorization lines ever... "Authorization: shut up and do what I tell you to!"
"Authorization accepted."
On par with B5's security password being "peekaboo".
Nice pull! @@davidkelly4210
we aren't the droids you're looking for!
"Requested:
One Mark V ECM unit, 1000 km of
Fullerene cable, one low-yield nuclear warhead. Purpose:
Surprise party for foreign dignitary."
Argosy Special Operations
requisition form,
CY 9512
"Una Salus Victus" is episode 7 of Season 2.
I had the feeling that since the original commonwealth knew the existence of the abyss and the coming war, this ship was just one plan into preparing for the coming conflict but the rebellion destroyed the original plans.
Imagine if the top big wigs told the nietzens was the truth about the treaty and the building up process that it was only to buy time.
I think even if the Nietzcheans knew the Vedrans' long-term plan, they would have been egotistical enough to go it alone or betray the others like Tyr wound up doing.
Nautical terms error. The draft of a ship is not equal to it's vertical height. It's only the measurement of what is below the waterline. As a spacefaring ship, it does not have a draft, it's simply it's height. As your previous video also had an error of terminology, the length of a ship is it's Lenght, the width of a ship is it's beam. The draft is what is below the waterline and it's height is what is above it's waterline or it's total keel to top of mast height when out of the water.
MjikThize If space is the analog for water then the ship is entirely immersed in it and the term draft could arguably apply to the height of the ship. But that’s assuming naval terminology has any place in space to begin with 🤷♂️
The rest could be chalked up to language drift, if naval terms become the preferred way to describe space ships then the terminology will of course be adapted to suit, it’s not like the terminology you use here was formed of whole cloth some day in the past. It’s the result of generations of evolution.
In the show, they made Siege Perilous seem like a dreadnought able to fight entire fleets. What they don’t mention is its awful defenses. It’s a hit-and-run ship. If a Glorious Heritage class can get close, the Siege Perilous is done for. Commonwealth didn’t really have a battleship type ship, just heavy cruisers.
Only 3 Siege Perilous ships were built before the rebellion. One was destroyed in port, one was captured, one went insane and started translating Egyptian cartouches... I mean started an eco-terrorist movement
They're supposed to be glass cannons since all Commonwealth ships operated in battle groups just like battleships had screens since they were easy kills for submarines in WWII alone. It was the Glorious Heritage cruisers that were meant to operate alone on longer haul missions but the Commonwealth hadn't fought a full scale war for a thousand years except for the Magog who were only a threat up close.
@@Taospark agreed, but that’s never stated in the show itself, only supplemental materials
This ship is like the Star Trek Scimitar.
It has more guns than the average Texas citizen.
That made me laugh more than it should have.
You wouldn't believe the waiting period for nova bombs.
Nothing Has more weapons than a Texas citizen!
@@duanemcdaniel9642 Maybe Chuck Norris, but just because he has to classify his beard as a gun
I'm with Oliver... I laughed far more than I should have...
Siege Perilous is a reference to the Arthurian myths. It was the seat at the Round Table reserved for the one who found the Grail.
I was under the impression that the Nietzscheans had destroyed half of the High Guard fleet at the beginning of the rebellion while they were in their shipyards.
Half the argosy was destroyed and some ships captured by their treasonous captains
The Nietzscheans were fully integrated into the Commonwealth forces at the time of their rebellion, being considered as trustworthy as the Vedrans themselves.
It wasn't just an insurrection...it was like being attacked by your own trusted bodyguard. Vessels were commandeered by their own trusted officers and attacked by fleets with full knowledge of the locations, disbursements, and reactions.
@@digitalis2977
A mortal wound right at the start.
@@alanmike6883 Also, there was a literal Dark God of the Void manipulating events in the background to prepare the way for the Magog, the agents of Entropy itself to descend upon the galaxy and consume all life. And then Dylan Hunt finds out he's a god, because Kevin Sorbo was Executive producer on the show by then and just couldn't stop with the ego tripping
@@weldonwin it's like Sorbo is Hercules or smthg :D
"Righteous Fist of Heaven" class?
Are you sure this isn't a Covenant ship?
No, it would need to have an even more elaborate name that sounds like an abstract paint color.
The Righteous Fist of Heaven was the insurgent group during the Chinese Boxer Rebellion.
Or a porn title.
@@digitalis2977 Oh. Cool!
we will return honour to the COMMONWEALTH!
It's actually Siège Perilous; it's French for "perilous seat". It's a reference to Arthurian Legend, and forms the basis of an interesting tale. To give you the short version , it's a seat at the Round Table, and if you sit in it, you'll die. Galahad sits in it, and doesn't die.
I always loved the names of these ships and ship types. They were actually a refreshing change from the usual single word names in other universes. Alien but not too alien.
I love the commonwealth ship names, they're just ridiculous and boastful and show how old, large and powerful they are, it's like if the federation had an ego and were also the sole dominant power in the entire galaxy for thousands of years.
Also the fact that the commonwealth originally came from an empire could explain the naming conventions.
I never heard of this show before you started these videos on it. I was in Europe and other places the entire run of this series. After watching the first 2 seasons it was pretty clear on why they lost. Betrayal on EVERY ship in the fleet and well everywhere plus them being attacked by the betrayers with their own fleet. Also it seems that the Commonwealth was so pacifistic that it would never launch a Nova bomb. I would suspect they were just deterrents.
Funny how Commonwealth naming conventions are taken from Earth History, Literature, and popular culture because before the Fall of the Commonwealth, much of the principal design and most all of the construction of the major classes was done at Earth.
"Righteous Fist of Heaven" is the proper name of the rebel faction of the Chinese Boxer Rebellion.
"Siege Perilous" was a seat at the Round Table in Arthurian Legend.
"Major Tom" is...well, you get the idea.
The notable exception to the rule is that of the Hero Ship..."Glorious Heritage" as it is listed by the Wiki as being a commemorative name for the new Commonwealth Ship-of-the-Line to reflect the...you guessed it...glorious heritage and longevity of the Systems Commonwealth.
Way to trigger the Flag on that one, guys...
Im soo happy these are being covered. Loved andromeda
Kill Missiles, of course. Not to be confused with the 'brutally maim' missiles or the 'lightly pinprick' missiles.
|I would clap loudly.| COMEDY GOLD!
Ah, the Siege Perilous Class, or as I like to call it, the SG-1 Guest Star Class, because both times we meet the Avatar of a ship of that class they were played by people who also played members of SG-1 on Stargate.
I remember Jackson, who was the other one?
The "Wrath of Achilles" appeared in the Season 2 episode "The Knight, Death, and the Devil" AKA the one where the Andromeda crew finds a bunch of High Guard ships are being held captive by the Drago-Kazov. The avatar of that ship was played by Christopher Judge, who played Teal'c on Stargate SG-1.
@@WillKeaton I somehow haven't seen this episode...
There was also a Season 3 episode "Day of Judgement, Day of Wrath" that had both Micheal Shanks and Christopher Judge show up again as avatars, and we saw another Siege Perilous Class ship, the "Resolution of Hector."
You seem to forget that Andromeda was not the only major vessel tricked into hopeless ambush. There had been many already brought in and destroyed in the black hole system alone and the neitzchians were doing that across 3 galaxies.
The Systems commonwealth just didn't expect that initial attack and got beat badly before knowing they were under assault.
No one realized till it was too late.
As with any war the opening moves are critical and three galaxies is a big area to watch over and protect.
Similar to the federation and that was one quadrant, maybe two depending how you look at it in one galaxy
I absolutely loved the ship and class names for Andromeda.
I look at the Nietzschien victory as the softening up of the Systems Commonwealth by the Maggog World Engine. With a united Commonwealth and Nietzschien forces the great evil guy couldn't win, so sent agents to help cause and aid the Nietzschien rebellion, to a just better than Pyrrhic victory.
Then there was some time travel stuff, where the Andromeda crew basically nuke a huge Nietzschian fleet, right before a battle with the Highguard, so what would have been a decisive victory becomes an utter slaughter for both sides, ensuring the Nietzschians could never form a unified empire that would provide stability for the galaxy and be able to fight the Magog
For how powerful these ships are, they really go out with a whimper the most of the time they're on screen.
You say these ships are ridiculously overpowered, but when compared to the ships they were designed to fight (the Magog), they were still woefully inadequate. Andromeda couldn't really stand up to a tin can with a point-singularity-projector, much less a Magog swarm host, MUCH MUCH less the Worldship.
In fact, you could argue that that's the reason why the Vedrans armed their capital ships with Nova Bombs: to have a fighting chance against what was coming.
Considering a PSC, was a bloody black hole gun, they did pretty well
One of the problems with the show's writing was sometimes Commonwealth stuff is portrayed as being absurdly powerful, but often other times we see them get blown apart by a handful of small Nietschzian ships. To be fair Star Trek TNG did this a few times too like when Riker somehow lost the Enterprise in the episode Rascals, but Andromeda takes it to an extreme.
@@0utc4st1985 Fucking tell me about it! In one episode you find Andromeda basically carpet bombing space and taking on fleets. The next you see it having trouble with just one ship. Its power level fluctuated stupidly.
Do more andromeda stuff. Its the series that ego killed, but had as much potential as any scifi series ever.
But does it have a gelato machine?
Only in exchange for a Nova bomb.
Deck 42 has the gelato machine. It comes standard on all Commonwealth ships right next to the Nova bomb silos.
Does it have toilets?
All commodes are on the top and bottom decks of the ships.
The Vedrans, while ruling the galaxies for close to 10,000 years, also has a demented sense of humor and greatly relished the idea of crew members being forced to climb up and down ladders while needing to pee.
Siege Perilous (“dangerous seat”) is from the Arthurian myth. It’s the seat at the Round Table of the knight sent to find the Grail
I think people are forgetting that the Commonwealth lost a lost of good experienced soldiers and commanders as well as a lot of ships because of the treachery of the ubers.
Also the ubers were rallied had surprise and planning all done.
What should really be surprising is why the commonwealth could not gather and rally fast enough with enough strenght to put up a good fight.
Also the ubers had a lot more ships than it was presumed. Like almost 10 time more ships then believed. This would make them a very large and serious threat to the Commonwealth.
Don't forget the ubers are part of the commonwealth, they have the same tech.
Here's something fun for all of you nerds....
The fictional super material in Andromeda "Fullerene" was referred to frequently, as flexible, semi metallic, and strong....going by several additional names....remember the Tow-cables....the Bucky-cables....
Look up a few things....
Sir Buckminster Fuller,
Bucky Balls,
The run of Andromeda-when it started and ended production....
And last but not least...
Graphene and its discovery date.
Andromeda came incredibly close to inventing a super material in fiction....kinda cool.
shuttles i doubt...but i think fighters could carry nova bombs
They did in the second episode of the first season and damaged high guard station had slipfighters on standby with Niba Bombs as last ditch suicide against magog
They could carry them but not launch them. So it was basically a suicide mission
The Commonwealth lost the civil war because 1) caught completely by surprise, 2) fleet was scattered due to the massive amount of territory they typically needed to patrol (basically three galaxies), and 3) having only fought in a single war over the course of the last couple centuries (the brief war with the Magog which would be more accurate to call a border skirmish) meant the high guard was seriously undertrained and suffered from the same problems the US military suffered at their entry into WW2, making noob mistakes, being careless and otherwise arrogant. At least that's what I took away from the many scraps of information they feed you throughout it's story.
The plot hole: nichians (sorry for the spelling) were part of the Commonwealth. They had access to these very ships. And by extension, the tech.
Yes, another Andromeda ship. It's a little sad that this and the XMC are the only two Old Systems Commonwealth ships we see and are more than just page on the wikpedia. But ya, the DSA II was even more of a missile boat than even most High Guard ships-designed to fuck up an enemy fleet in a first strike then get the hell out of there while their comrades engaged further. Lore, I hope to see your analyses of the Battle of Witchhead in the future!
I really like the Commonwealth Starships they look so cool
Thank you for doing this series justice you do better than trek yards
I swear, the next class name will be the “Screaming Angel of Stellar Retribution.”
That's fucking metal!
This looks like the Vorlon ships in B5
Another thing to note of this class is at the time of the war only two had been built and put into service, with with a Commonwealth only able to build a third towards the end. So while 'a fleet of its own,' the numbers were practically non-existent to allow that to be brought to bear in a meanfull way (And I would not be surprised if some of the alliance leaders factored in some of this when choosing the time-it was slow, but we do see in the series that the High Guard updating parts of the fleet/equipment in response to the Maggog that could have made the fight harder for them) Also Lore, think we'll get your thoughts on the Battle of Witchhead/Angel Dark, Demon Bright episode?
Thank you for another Andromeda video!
The episodes featuring these ships had its flaws, but it was still fun to watch when they basically bait/switched his sensors during a fight that should have destroyed the Andromeda.
I will agree it had a lot less than say the GLORIOUS HERITAGE(now spoken with Sangheili accent) class in terms of armament... but it made up for it in shear number of missiles... literally all the missiles. It literally didn't need the rest that Andromeda had when it was going to sneak attack, launch 9001 missiles and run away to nom an asteroid or three to repeat.
But what about Teal'c tough .. He owned in Andromeda indeed he did
Yeah, he died twice as two didferent avatars. The second time to make Hercules' friend Iolaus AI captain...
@@vojtechjehlicka7000 Daniel Jackson was also one of these specific ships, except he was kinda crazy, then Rommie went to work at the SGC
@@weldonwin Lexa Doig and Michael Shanks met on Andromeda and have been happily married ever since.
"Good evening gentlemen, time to die."
Yeah, Christopher Judge nailed it hard....too bad he only had 2 eps to his name.
That episode when the (naked) android came into it and they kept the camera on her face and upper back...I've never sworn at a screen so much as I did then lol
I think both pics are of the Siege Perilous class. I don't think we ever got to see a ship that was confirmed to be a Righteous Fist of Heaven Class on screen.
correct, I couldn't find one.. I meant to put (Mark II) on the image but am an idiot
Hey it could look the same/similar look at how similar WW II ships look to ships now( or How the Zumwalt class looks like ships of 100 + years ago)
Well, technically, the Nichians didn't win. They fought each other to a standstill then once both sides were weakened the Magog finished the commonwealth and the Nichians dissolved in to civil war.
Didn't ALL Commonwealth ships have AI? Even the troop transports?
Im not sure if all had them..honestly
Because why wouldn't you want your warships to mourn the enemy sailors? Or celebrate another successfull Kill?
Not all AIs are made to be equals.
Only capital ships were equiped with AI, as far as I remember.
On the other hand they though it was such a great idea to put dozens of nova bombs on a single ship.... in case of emergency, I guess.
I dont onow about all troop transports but there is one lancer transport that had an ai. He then became one of these ships.
i loved this series. it had great promise, however its main problem was consistency, like gaining and losing it crew from episode to episode. also they restore a part of the commonwealth but, its fleets and personnel appear and disappear quite frequently. There were also a lot of story threads that were never answered.
Thank you for doing Andromeda ships! I’d love to see a breakdown on the Bellerophon ship they encounter in season 3 I think.
not to burst your bubble but all the pictures you have shown are of the same ship class the siege perilous, and it purpose was not full ship to ship battle but to enter a system fire its missiles and but out, it was in fact built from lessons learned against the maggog, and the name of the class is the name of the first ship that fought the maggog and lost,
Im aware on the image front and i specifically pointed out it was long range.. sooooo
Do you watch Stargate? Because that is full of great ships to cover.
zpm powered 304 with asguard beam weapons, core, shields, drooooool, imagine destiny being escort by two 304s to dock with Atlantis in space, maybe an asguard,nox, tolan or furling ship wreck in one of the cities docks, a free jaffa hat tak in another
@@t3h51d3w1nd3r that sounds like a last ditch effort akin to the fleet in BSG reimagined
To be fair I don't believe it's ever mentioned how many of this class were in service. And I imagine a lot of these ships were likely targeted at the beginning of the war (while docked, sabotage, etc.)
Thank you for doing andromeda lore
Siege Perilous is a reference to arthurian mytholgy, andromeda as a whole riffed off of that mythology for the commonwealth and the high guard in particular,
Gene really did do a 180 when it came to Andromeda.
Gene had been dead a decade by the time Andromeda made it to production. So unfortunately, the series lacked any direct input from its original creator. I think it would have been amazing to see what the series could have been if he'd been around to stand up to Sorbo's ego and keep the writers in check.
I'd be interested in hearing your take on the Battle of Witch Head, and whether Dylan and Gaheris were right in their decisions.
I like that "boat" more than the Glorious Heritage Class (seriously, this looks so much more majestic, especially the older one! Seriously, give it some more close-in weapons and it would plow through Andromeda no problem!)...would love to captain one (and harass my engineer into making the necessary changes - more close in weapons, you can't build on stealth working all the time and you need to be able to fight for longer to deliver your missiles!)
ps: I want a Point-Singularity-Weapon (they captured a freaking Maggog ship, so gimme!) and one of those super-plasma weapons (the one used by those Nietzscheans on that asteroid!)
Like your title said... HOW do you command a whole ARSENAL of very big and powerful and DIVERSE warships BUT still lose a huge intergalactic war?? This is what we see when the bad guys got the plot armor. You can think the Vederans for these fancy ass names. An not to mention when Hunt restarted the Commonwealth these all STILL struggled and quite a few Andromeda sister ships and ships like this rejoined the new fleet kinda like they was all glorified show off type ships.. like that rare, expensive, collector car that is talked about being so great but really isn't or is limited in how good it is once you try to drive it.
Somehow I get the impression with the few exceptions like Andromeda don't think most these would fare so fell fighting Voyager, Defiant, or Enterprise and even ships like the Millennium Falcon might LITERALLY out fight quite a few of these in one on one
Robert Hewitt Wolfe was in charge of Andromeda (before Sorbo got him kicked off since Wolfe wanted to focus on good storytelling instead of making every episode about the character of Hunt like Sorbo wanted) and a few years ago floated the idea of rebooting Andromeda. Since the show has been made three times already (Genesis II, Planet Earth, and Andromeda) it seems like a fourth version isn't out of the question. So, here's an idea... can we place Andromeda within the Star Trek universe? Andromeda was set something like 4000 years ahead of modern day, maybe Andromeda can be set that far into the Federation's future too. A lot of Andromeda has a Star Trek/Federation feel to it, anyhow.
And while we're throwing money around for new Star Trek series based on past Trek people's outside projects, how about we reboot Babylon 5 - but in the Star Trek universe. JMS originally pitched it as a Trek show, Paramount turned it down but stole loads of his ideas since they thought no program based on his storyline would ever get made. So, let's set it in a hundred years past TNG, we can have species like the Tholians fulfill the Vorlon's position in the lore, that kind of thing.
Actually I've been working on some ways to reboot the series - and I definitely do NOT want to put it (officially) in the ST universe, especially with what CBS has been doing with it lately.
The best thing they could do, IMO, is write a good, solid, new series within the same universe.
One option being a prequel series set before the Long Night showcasing the Commonwealth at the height of its power and glory, with drama and action coming from the burgeoning internal politics and breakdown of the organization that was happening leading up to the Magog invasion - I see this being kind of a "West Wing" political drama.
A second option being a series set 20 years after the original series, which could feature cameos from the original crew of the Andromeda - this being a "Next Generation" style of sequel, as the new Commonwealth rises and expands and deals with its growing pains.
And a third option could be to set a new series right smack in the middle of the Long Night, maybe following Beka's dad and his mis-adventures with Sid before he got hooked on flash, or just following a an entirely new cast of characters - this being something more of a dark and gritty "Firefly" space western style of show.
Honestly I'd love to see all three of these get made at some point, and if whichever was done first was done well enough, there's the chance it could spawn a whole new franchise with multiple spinoffs to compare to ST or SG. Maybe one or a few of us should get together, combine our skills and our passion for the show, and write up some pilot episodes to pitch to a studio.
On that note - it looks like the IP is owned by Global Television, so it's not as long of a shot as some IPs with mixed ownership.
Your Lore is better quality than the show . . . Good Job, congratulations !
the definition of a DESTROYER.
I'd like some info on Neitzchens ship's as I can't really find that much info on them
I really dont wanna be that guy...but...
You're talking about the "Rightous Fist of Heaven" Class Deep Stand-off Attack, but the one you're showing and talking about later is the "Seige Perillous" class Deep Stand-off Attack II class...to which only 3 were completed at the time of the Commonwealth's fall; and only 2 (Balance of Judgement & Wrath of Archilles) survived the war.
...also, the design of the DSA2 or "DSX" as its more commonly called, was created as a response to the Magog attacks...ironically the Magog attacks that the Commonwealth then made a treaty with that cause the Bone-Arms to get all p!55y over and start their rebellion about; but the ships were easy pickings since they were still in dock when the Bone-Arms attacked their port.
OH!
And like with your other video about the Glorious Heritage class, you made an error... High Guard ships have 2 power sources (like a Starfleet ship); they have their reserve Anti-Proton Reactors, and the Primary Exotic Matter Reactor, that, like the Inverse Aperature Sensor Suite, is used for Quantum Slipstream.
All this would have been easier to research had the All Systems University Library website not been shutdown :(
As I recall, the Netzians (no, I don't recall the correct spelling, sorry) built up enough ships to overwhelm the Commonwealth High Guard, and won purely on numbers. Also, they were part of the Commonwealth to begin with, so they used the same technology that these ships were built with.
It has been a long time since I watched the show though.
You used the wrong image for the Righteous Fist of Heaven-class as it looks completely different from the Siege Perilous-class. Both ship images you used were Siege Perilous-class but built 300 years apart.
While I don't mind the ponderousness of "Siege Perilous" in general, it is strange that an alien culture would make a reference to Arthurian legend (or if they did, just as the U.S. might name something after, let's say, a native American legend) I am not sure I get the reference (or how an empty seat reserved for the knight who would one day find the Holy Grail relates to a warship). Maybe the writers were playing on the modern word "siege" rather than the legendary meaning of "seat."
All Commonwealth Ships had AIs on them that being said the AIs were not allowed to do alot which lead to more then a few ships getting capture during the Fall. That being said Commonwealth Ships appear to be more powerful than most races ships even after 300 years.
Makes sense-after all these were ships built with the state of resources behind it and with the Long Night saw many former Commonwealth members crash and burn, limited to their own colonies (the only race we hear of doing well post war is the Than, but I always got a sense of 'well' meaning still large influence in the worlds but still a shadow of the Commonwealth)
Isn't the name of this ship is The Balance of Judgement .
There were a few ships and mark 2's that were named
Balance of Judgement
Wrath of Achilles
Resolution of hector are the only siege perilous class ships to appear on screen.
My God, these names are overkill.
@@ageofgreen99 well all the Commonwealth ships are over kill type ships. The Commonwealth vs the federation the Commonwealth wins.
Would love to see a break down of the Magog World Ship
The commonwealth fell because half the ships were destroyed.
They didn't listen to the ai.
They hadn't fought a organized war of life and death in a long time.
Arrogance.
And the loss of the Vedrans and the loss of tarn Vedra.
It's should be noted that only the bug species was one of the few post fall powers that survived and didn't rejoin the commonwealth.
Not to mention many ships and crews were betrayed by trusted Nietzchean officers on those ships. As I said above, look what happened on the Andromeda on the first episode, Dylan's own first officer Rade tried to kill him, and did kill their helms...person.
@@macnut68
Exactly and even if there were just a handful of rhades on high guard ships, in the opening hours Wethersfield capture, sabotage or destruction, they could do a lot of damage.
It's all about picking your battles which is why though they commonwealth still had the numbers they had bigger territory to defend, so the nietzens has local supremacy in their battles.
Before the time machine episode In the final battle the commonwealth only had hundreds ships left compared to 1500 rebel ships.
The Nietzscheans won because they outnumbered the Commonwealth and we better trained for combat. The Commonwealth had relatively few ships and bases to govern the amount of space they occupied because they hadn't had a serious war until the Magog. Meanwhile, the Nietzscheans apparently spent the entirety of the time from the signing of the nonaggression pact with the Magog until the war began building lots of heavily armed, but fast, cheap and maneuverable warships. Compared to the Commonwealth fleet that had a few, but larger and more powerful ships of the line. Sure the Glorious Heritage could engage dozens of ships and have a reasonable expectation of victory, when the odds are 100 or more to one, even if you are taking minimum damage from any individual ship, it becomes a game of inches and an eventual death by a thousand cuts.
All things considered, naming the MK 2 variant class after the empty seat at the round table is probably the least grandiosely named class in the Commonwealth.
How many missile think she can carry andramada had couple million mix offensive an defensive
How many nova bombs could old glow eyes eat?
I think these names are intended to imply the arrogance of the Commonwealth.
Is that a tentacle ship?
Hentai variant
It's a ship killer
@@TentaclePentacle I am holding back on so many bad comments I could make.
No, thats the Pyrians who were the tentacle aliens with tentacle ships
My favorite of the class is The Bane of Waifu.
you have to remember the nichizans all served in the commowealth forces. and some sabotage their ships and crews, also they knew every trick in the book ,and use to be the backbone of the commonwealth
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Hey random question. I'm in a Star Trek rewatch and i'm in DS9's last season. Where does Insurrection take place? I know it aired during this season, but am not sure exactly where it takes place. You'd think someone would have said to Worf "I'm sorry to h ear about the death of your wife" but that'd be complaining about a 20 year old movie which I won't do.
All that tech & weapons and it still got it's proverbial @$$ kicked.... It's last Captain was probably some descendant that directed the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot....
As for how the Commenwealth lost do we know how many of these were built and do we know how many survived the early phases of the Nietzschean revolt?
Mrk 1: Unknown, but I would assume at least a few hundred at least as it's importance to the main High Guard officicive battle formation and being in service for a good while. Mrk: 2, only 4 (three before and one during the revolt.)
You forgot the gelato machine
Had to go look this up to be absolutely sure...
So what's that space in the midsection for?
the systems commonwealth doesn't like short names
Woo, hold up, the Mk1 didn't have an AI, the gave their troop transports that kind of AI and yet the skipped it for an entire design of Warship. Sometimes I can't decide who is more incompetent, High Guard Command or Starfleet Command.
Hey I love the name Siege Perilous, then again I cosplay Morgan Le Fey so take it how you will :P
What happened to them being Siege Perilous class as stated in the show?
Is Andromeda unwatchable via streaming service? Amazon and Netflix have no cigars.
I believe there were only 4 of the new class completed before the rebellion. 4 ships is not enough to change the course of a war spanning 3 galaxies. The old class could easily be ambushed and destroyed. They were glass cannons.
tbh I think it hasn't enough missiles ,drones or point defence laser, jk,they lost against the nietzschians because they forgot how to actually fight, use tactics or be fully committed, they relied on just nova bombs,might nd shit but not how to use them, the anti proton weapons should have been directly feed by the engine, in the fleet battle with the nietzschians at least of the ships should have detonated all its arsenal and self destructed taking everything out
Wish we had seen more of this ship!
Yea..pictures were hard to find
@@LoreReloaded only 2 episodes I think.....
@@LoreReloaded how could the systems commonwealth lose with these backing up the glorious heritage ships
@Jason Sylvander
because the Nietzschean are part of the systems commonwealth and had access to the same tech.
That and half the Commonwealth's military were Nietzscheans. The bigger plothole is how did the Nietzscheans not end up with almost any Commonwealth technology.
What about gelato?!?!?
What is this from
Having ai was a benefit otherwise the drago kazov wouldn't have spent energy trying to use the captured ships but a ship could run without it but would be more labour intensive hence why they also built the ai eraser
Lore, it's a little weird ponder but in future Andromeda videos will mention the deployment within one of the two fleet groups? I've always liked that the creators actually took the time to think about how you would organize ships in general fleet types ( andromeda.wikia.com/wiki/High_Guard_Fleet_Organization)
This makes Zentradi ships look over armed.
Over-armed or Under-Armed?
@@Zachomara over armed as a Zentradi frigate can go toe to toe with most sci-fi battleships.
Yeah, but Zentradi are freakin giants to begin with so of course everything's going to be oversized.
@@seawind930 I don't mean gun size I meant gun Volume as Zentradi ships are imperium of man levels of guns.
Yay! More Andromeda 😁😁
i think in one of the episodes it was mentioned that the commonwealth only made 2
common wealth must have been competent as ufp running theyre military
Called me old fashioned, but missile boats are kind of dull, when it comes to battles. They're uses are fixed and inflexible
Everything I see is from 2 years ago!
Good shit though.
tell me if I am an idiot but would anyone be interceded in a fan streaming non copy right online service for move on episodes.
Those ship class names...
Yaay Andromeda