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The Packers' drafts take three years to evaluate. Pretty much every year, their first round selection is panned and trashed as a bad pick. And then three years later, that player is a quality starter at the least, and often a star
Exactly. Giving any kind of analysis this early is a fools errand and Jackson is never shy about playing the fool when comes to talking about the Packers lol
@@overtonwindowshopper which is fine, that’s his job. He’s less biased than most, and I think he’s learning about the Packers’ drafts as time goes on lol
@@masonboard good point
That is always the case for any team, 3 year wait. However, he can do that in 3 years.... Love this content to think about what does it look like immediately
That’s a lie. Name a star besides Jaire and Gary.
As a lifelong packers fan you'll come to realize that we do our own thing and don't run like the rest of the organizations with that bein said any player that these analysts feel that we reached on WE WANTED THAT PLAYER SO THE RANKING DIDN'T MATTER‼️🤷🏿♂️🎯💯💯
Prob y your gonna be 3rd in the NFC North this year
@@jasonfiser9690 You mean 1st ‼️🤔🤣🎯💯💯
Yeah I don't care about rankings anymore I just wait to hear what Gutey has to say the last 3-4 years all I heard was how bad our drafts was and here we are talking about a shot at a SB with 90% of those terrible picks
@@jasonfiser9690You say that every year.
@@b8man88The Bears always win the off season and come in last in the division.
People don’t understand how the Packers build for 2-3 years down the road. People think you can fix a team by filling last year’s holes. Most of the time, they aren’t the same the next year because injuries are different.
I'm just gonna say this off rip no one ever likes our draft. But we're probably the one of most exciting young teams in the NFL.
Yeah 0 superbowls in gutekunst era. A lot of bust reach picks Josiah deguras
@Nobody-iv3op alot of late rd gems too, Zach Tom. His job is to build a competitive team and he's done that multiple times. To always have bad grades for a draft n develop team but still be making playoff runs is crazy to me
@@Nobody-iv3op I mean a lot of picks in every draft are "busts", gutey isn't the only one and sure no ring hurts, but playoffs in 4/5 seasons. Two NFC championship games plus 2 divisional round finishes. It's not as sexy as a ring, but it's a lot more than any other NFC North teams have achieved during that time span.
Kaylen king is going to be the steal of the draft watch his 2022 all 22 tape
The good news is he can’t be as disappointing as the last K. King we drafted at corner
That’s cool and all but how about you watch his 2023 tape. I need to understand why he couldn’t even guard a nose bleed. I’m hopeful tho. Go pack!!
They like monk because of his RAS and versatility Zach Tom vibes
Monk has Corey Linsley Vibes . They didn’t only grab him off his ras , dude has 31 bench reps , and played over 3600 snaps all across the O line his time at Duke . He’s guaranteed a starting spot at RG
@@JonathanAnderson-yf1kf absolute steal
The packers draft experience is always hate the first couple picks now, but love them in 2 years
I don't see how you think it was a up and down draft honestly this was a pretty good draft another gute masterclass
What are you, his employee? Honestly, I know that they are purposely taking a gamble on attitude, and it's worth a try so I don't hate it. But saying it's a masterclass ... we'll talk in 3 years and at see, but at this very point I'm not all that impressed yet. They deny it, but it's obvious they are gambling on attitude over stats .... they targeted team captain types and completely removed anyone who had a hint of an attitude problem. I like it. But it's still a gamble.
u didn't like the 1st round pick? did u see how many starting tackles were left???? the 49ers said there was no clear starting tackle talent left. the way u evaluate projected draft spots and then when they were picked is dumb as fuck.
Some experts inclduing Bill Bellicheck were talking about had GB passed, Morgan probably wasn't making it out of the first.
On a further note, AJ Dillon was brought back on an exemption in the union contract that lets a team resign a 4 year veteran and not have much of his salary count against the cap. Plus he’s best friends with Jordan Love
Dillon signed a million dollar contract with no guaranteed money . I personally feel like he’ll be let go with this new and hungry HB room . Even UDFA HB from Alcorn is better than Dillon
@@JonathanAnderson-yf1kf I mean Dillon is just as hungry. You're paying a vet who knows the system and can operate within it pennies to be on the roster. Injuries happen and I'd rather be stuck falling back on Dillon that falling back on Patrick Taylor or Emmanuel Wilson. Dillon slander is a little outrageous. He hasn't lived up to what we had hoped, but I'm not sure even Jones would have had success running behind our O-line the first half of the season. That blocking in the run game was not very good at all.
Last year the offense was noticeably less effective without Aaron Jones. AJ Dillon is not a playmaker, and they wanted to have a back up with some homerun ability.
Dillon was playing hurt too.
There is a difference between bad and playing hurt.
@@ihcterra4625 that's cope. He's been with the team for four years and has demonstrated almost no explosive abilities.
@@gen.barnakey__ I don’t get why people cry so hard about a backup running back isn’t better than the starter.
Dillon is considered one of the best backups by some. Did you expect him to be better than Jones? Like that should be easy to do or something?
@@ihcterra4625 it depends how large the drop off is. The organization themselves have said they wanted to get another back with playmaking ability. If Dillon was the guy, they wouldn't be looking for another one.
Sounds like you might live in Door County.
@@gen.barnakey__ Depth. They need depth at every position.
They are also drafting for a couple years down the road and they have 2 RBs with short contracts. Not only that, it is the NFL and every player can be 1 play from being gone due to injury. Odds are 1 of the 4 they have won’t be healthy week 1.
4 isn’t an unusually large number for the 53 man roster. Not even including practice squad. Unless you think Emanuel Wilson and Ellis Merriweather are better than Dillon.
It’s also why they drafted another QB. Not because they plan on replacing anyone, in case they have to.
No, I don’t live in Door County.
Hey jackson just to give you a heads up the QB pick was because we want to get back to drafting multiple QBs. Not because it was a bad pick. Actually Clifford wasnt bad he was really good in the preseason and yes its just a preseason but everyone had him undraftable which he turned out fine as a backup. Just look into our history in the Wolf era we were taking multiple QBs n either flipping or getting comp picks for them
There is no such thing as a bad pick in the 7th round, and if you're taking a guy who was talked about being an early day 3 maybe even later round 3 QB, how can dis on the pick? I mean what kind of value do you expect from a 7th round pick? I mean I'll take a kid who can turn into an elite level back-up low end starter, plus like you mentioned Gutey wants to be a QB factory to ship off for picks. When you're one of the few teams not desperate for a QB. It's free money...
@@josephlaeger6473 Pretty much anybody who makes the team as a 7th round pick is a good pick (assuming you're not the Bears and are fielding an NFL-caliber roster)
No one likes monk???? 5 yr starter crazy RAS versatility. I feel like scouts underrated monk
Just Packers being Packers, doing our thing
Monk is insanely athletic, he fits their hight and weight thresholds to a tee and has great mobility and versatility. Travis Glover is not as athletic but he has a great anchor for an offensive lineman which is very hard to find, a lot of people think very highly of him.
Also want to add that Monk is a really good dude, his brother has down syndrome and Monk says he has taught him compassion. He has worked in Raleigh to help people with special needs. Most of the guys we drafted have been team captains or have shown very high character in some way, the Packers value that.
@@lukebowman7513 That's like every guy the Packer's select lol. It's hard to not fall in love with these guys the minute they're Packers. To your first post I love the duality that we got with Morgan and Monk. One is T/G the other is C/G. That was just such a gutey type move for both. And I know people will look at the RAS for glover, but he's also surprisingly a gutey move. Big guy, with a trait or two that GB thinks they can develop into a swing tackle candidate or even future starter.
Kaylen King had a great 2022 but slipped in 2023. Might turn out to be a steal
He's the definition of a perfect 7th round pick
The Packers had pretty poor drafts under Gutekunst until the last two years. Only Jaire Alexander is left from the 11 players he drafted in 2018. Only two players (Rashan Gary and Elgton Jenkins) are left from the eight players drafted in 2019. Only two players (Jordan Love and A.J. Dillon) are left from the seven players drafted in 2020. Five players (Eric Stokes, Josh Myers, Royce Newman, T.J. Slaton, and Isaiah McDuffie) are left from the 11 players drafted in 2021. However, nine of the 11 players drafted in 2022 are still with the team and 12 of the 13 players drafted in 2023 are still on the team.
GB made some solid picks and made some developmental picks.
I always find it interesting how people feel they can grade defensive players when a team has a new defensive coordinator and you have no idea how he plans on utilizing the talent they took. That has everything to do with the pick, how they are going to be utilized, not necessarily the talent of any individual player compared to another player.
What is your source for the consensus rankings?
I’m pretty much with your assessment here. If you’re grading the process there’s a lot to criticize with the massive reaches against consensus. He basically had 4 massive reaches and on two those he sacrificed picks to trade up and then massively reach. The word I in mind for that was STUPID. That said I liked the Morgan, Cooper, Bullard, Lloyd, Oladapo, Pratt, and King picks. I hated the Hopper, Williams, Monk, and Glover picks. And when you throw the two picks used to trade up to massively reach you could say he wasted 6 picks in this draft.
Gutekunst said verbatim they were going to trade back but felt Morgan fell to them so they pounced which goes to show that the ONLY draft board that matters is theirs.
"reach" what is important is the packers board, i dont care about consensus board, they know more than anyone else and i fully trust Gute, he knows what he is doing
A lot of people had the Packers taking Graham Barton in the first round, which I beleive you would have liked better (higher consensus ranking). Barton and Morgan have comparable measurements (RAS), both are smart and highly versatile. Obviously the Packer saw Morgan having greater potential as a true LT than Barton. Time will tell, but my belief is that the Packers got it right. They are extremely good at evaluating OL men.
You should do more research on the Packers draft expectations and this draft will make more sense. Packers came into the draft with huge needs at OL, safety and LB and these are the positions they wanted to address with multiple picks for each.
Why these needs and not CB? Most people thought that the Packers will address the CB room in the first place and thus mocked various corners to the Packers. However, once the players came back to the facility it turned out that everyone is healthy, including Eric Stokes, and with Stokes-Jaire, CV and Ballentine Gutekunst believes there was no need to address this position in the early rounds.
Contrary to many of the pseudo experts, Packers have a huge need at LT. Rasheed Walker is a former 7th rounder who can be a good backup but you can't reasonable expect to compete for a championship with this guy against the likes of Nick Bosa, Hutch or Micah. Matt LaFleur said recently that Walker has a lot to work on, basically foreshadowing this pick. Thus, LT was the first and foremost hole that needed to be filled. Jordan Morgan was the best available left tackle. Graham Barton may be a better IOL but the Packers recently said that they consider Zach Tom a possible HOF center and one can assume they will move him there likely at some point. Both Packers area scout Sam Seale as well as Bill Bellichick on Pat McAfee said that there is no doubt Morgan can be a left tackle at an NFL level despite shorter arms. Graham can't play LT in the NFL (as he struggled against NFL level players in college).
2 rounders are self explanatory. You have needs at LB and safety and you're looking for speed and versatility. Cooper and Bullard provide just that. It's likely that Bullard will play a lot of slot CB for the Packers.
Personally, not a fan of the Lloyd pick but some people (Jeremiah, Simms and others) have him ranked as RB1. Certainly huge upside but the fumbling issues are very concerning as he's gonna play in the very cold weather. Personally I liked Jaylen Wright because of his pass pro and versatility but Lloyd is gonna be great and has higher upside if he just stops fumbling the ball.
Hopper is the most confusing pick for the GB fans and Gutekunst said that he was the best player available on the Packers board (I assume that he meant BPA for the position the Packers were looking for). I think that this pick would make a lot more sense if we as fans had more information on Hopper's athletic testing. He skipped NFL combine testing due to injury and at his pro day wasn't 100%. Then the Packers invited him for top-30 visit and apparently Hopper did very well, including low 4.5 40y dash (as per Gutekunst press conference). We all know that Packers prioritize athletic testing over college boxscore production and Hopper looks like an athletic freak on film. There also other intruguing traits that fit very well for the Packers: Hopper is a former defensive back with top-3 QB pressures in the SEC - that is a lot of versatility which is what the Packers are looking for. They wanna be able to disguise coverages and blitzes. Also Hopper was ranked LB2 by these guys: thegridironreview.com/complete-scouting-report-of-tyron-hopper-what-you-need-to-know/ Certainly the Packers are in the minority but they clearly believe in this guy's potential and know his full athletic testing unlike us fans.
Evan Williams is a Packer all the way. Athletic (tested as 8+ RAS, then improved some of his testing at the Oregon pro day), team captain, good locker room guy, brings versatility. He was the star of this year's senior bowl. Not only was he voted as the national team's top defensive specialist by WRs and RBs during pre-bowl practices (on a team that included Cole Bishop, Khyree Jackson, Oladapo to name a few) but also he had an interception during the senior bowl. For some reason draft experts missed this (likely negligence) and his stock did not rise further during the pre-draft process. But the NFL teams were highly impressed and it was confirmed on twitter by the director of the senior bowl that several NFL teams wanted to draft this guy in the 4th round. This is why the Packers used both their 4th and 6th rounder from the Saints to move up and select this guy before he was taken off the board. This was not a reach, Williams would not be available at 126. NFL was a lot higher on him than media and fans.
The issue with both Hopper and Williams is they can't tackle consistently. I'm guessing the Packers bet on their improvement when they are coached better.
Overall looking at these defensive picks it seems the Packers liked guys who can blitz and cover. Hafley will play press man, disguise coverages and blitzes and use these speedy guys to rush inexperienced but mobile QBs like Caleb and JJ. Cooper, Quay, Hopper, Bullard, Evan Williams can all cover and blitz and these young QBs won't know what the fuck is happening.
Morgans blocking technique isn’t a flaw, it’s a feature.
James Campen teaches a blocking technique that is different from standard. That is why arm length isn’t much of an issue and Bryan Bulaga became the best RT in the league with the same length arms.
Morgan already uses the techniques that some people are critical off, because it lets defender into the blockers chest intentionally. Then they latch on to the defender and trap them in front. They only call holding if the defender gets outside of the frame of the blocker, but the blocker traps them square in front. They lift up on the defender to remove leverage and help anchor. It gives up some ground on a bull rush initially, but does anchor.
Since Morgan is already using some of those techniques, he is a ready made starter for the Packers.
He aslo wasn’t a reach according to other teams who also had him in the first round on their boards. The Packers could have traded back a couple picks at most, but then they would have risked losing Morgan.
Draft website rankings do not mean anything. The only rankings that mean anything are the teams’.
Brother, James Campen last coached with the Packers in 2018. He was with the Browns last
@@c.l.freeman7654 I thought he was with Carolina last year.
But it is his technique they teach. He is the one who originated it and taught it to Bulaga. The Packers still use it.
If you look at all current and former T's for GB who have started in recent memory they haven't had guys with exceptional length. Your'e reasoning with GB's blocking scheme or methods is spot on.
The qb pick last year turned out just fine Sean Clifford was decent packers are trying to get back to developing back up QBs and flipping them
I'm not sure how the Sean Clifford pick looks even worse now. He did pretty well in preseason and training camp and overall their opinion of him seemed pretty high, as they didn't bother bringing in a 3rd QB and stuck with 2 QBs on the roster for pretty much the entire season. So, I am not sure what new information came out that makes the pick look even worse now.
I'm using this draft to equate to a ten point shift for our season. Take each game and either add 10 points for us or delete 10 points for an opponent. That's the value of this draft and the late season surge of last year. Think what would've happened in rankings last season with a 10 point difference.
Safeties and linebackers are more about instinct and the measurables are sometimes less important. Evaluating that is so hard, so you can't really trust big board numbers for them.
The Sean Clifford slander is unnecessary smh. Gute said its not always a bad thing to draft a QB every year.
AJ Dillon was horrible last year when Aaron Jones was injured. So counting on him if Jacobs misses games isn’t very smart. They needed a backup RB
To be fair towards Dillon the OL did no favors and the pass game was not operating before the half way point which only hurts the run game. There’s more factors to it
Dillon did just fine for the runner that he is. If he converted to FB, he’d be great
@@josephlaeger6473And Dillon played through injuries.
I love that RB pick up, because our 3rd and 2nd RB don't have that next man up mind set at all. Aj just big!!!!!! And the other guy is not doing shit.
Dude packers needed inside and safety help, got it. Oline help. Got it. Was already very deep with young players and this just made them even younger! If half these even 1 out of 3 hit that’s still 4 players that become studs. Is it just me or are the Packers potentially loading up for a long run?
Lloyd is the best RB in the Draft
Really good breakdown
Brett Kollman having a rage meltdown with every packers' pick all i needed to know. their gm did good (he is Bears and Texans fan)
also Monk has a 9.74 RAS score is why, GB lovesssssssssssssssssssss project guys that got the scores
I’ve just learned to trust the process with the packers as a fan of this team. Any criticism of their decision making will always fall on deaf ears with me when it comes to this team.
It’s unique compared to other teams, but not unique to the packers at all. Standard par for the course draft in GB
I don’t think you are giving the Marshawn Lloyd pick the respect it deserves the guy is explosive as hell and shifty
This dude
Or anyone commenting know anything
Analytics is not football 🏈
Still fun I guess
When they were drafted vs when media heads said they'd go*
With Jacob’s I had assumed he was going to be the bell cow but MLF seems adamant on keeping a more split type backfield. I think Jacob’s and Lloyd get the bulk and Dillon is gonna get a good amount of snaps too. Kitan (Key-ton)
Yeah Lafleur really likes his running back splitting carries and Dillion might not even make it past camp and get cut before the regular season starts.
@@michaelacker1617 Given the size of Dillon's contract and overall experience on the team I don't really see any possibility of him getting cut. I know a lot of people point at the contract as a reason he might get cut, but when you're paying pennies for a competent backup RB I don't see the value in releasing him. Unless Wilson just turns a massive corner I would expect Dillon to be the 2A 2B with Lloyd.
I doubt with Hopper's athletic traits he was drafted in the 3rd round to be a 1st or 2nd down run stopper. I think they will use him the same way the Cowboys use Parsons in their 4-3 base. He will be moved all over, to create mismatches and overloads.
I thought they reached too much and took a lot of project players. King was a steal but Jordan Morgan pick was like why just why
Why? Because left tackle is probably the most important position on a team besides QB and it is harder to get a solid left tackle than just about any position. And the Packers view him as a left tackle.
I am not really sure who would have been a better pick at that spot. Clearly Cooper Dejean would have been a reach as he fell all the way to pick 40, and Graham Barton can't play tackle. It was a great pick.
@@paulkaehn6203 I would have been fully into had it been a lt he in my opinion is a guard I thought there were better guards available
Consensus means nothing, all reports say that Morgan and Williams would’ve gone very soon after the packers picks and if cowboys stuck and picked he would’ve been picked there
I agree to an extend, but meta analysis has shown that IN GENERAL, the further teams stray from consensus, the higher the bust rate. Doesn't mean you don't get steals like Puka Nacua here and there, but as a general rule "reaching" with regards to consensus hasn't worked out. I am not even claiming that any of Gutekunst's picks were bad in this draft, just making a small defense for the consensus board.
And they didn’t draft a KICKER!? Why!?
We signed 1 during free agency
It's funny how youtubers criticize Profesional GM picks lol
Packers draft defense every years but packers defense play shit every years..
Monk doesn't have great analytics....checks notes...9.76 RAS....checks notes...4 position player... checks notes... GB has a history doing this... maybe I should shut it on GB OL critiques.
See I don’t like this guy when it comes down to knowing a player , bro Jacob Monk is an absolute unit … over 3600+ snaps at RT , RG and Center . Kid lives in the weight room , bench reps shows you that having 31 reps . He has an above average RAS . This guy doesn’t know football .. he’s only use to the names that are always mentioned
Clifford is a really good backup QB.
PICKS 1 2 3 4 8 are 🎉.
Travis "GLOW-vurr"really? hahaha
Couldn’t disagree more with almost all of your takes on this draft A+ draft wish we could’ve got dejean but Morgan sounds like a day 1 starter
You cannot evaluate a draft based on somebody projecting where these players should go. The logic to this entire video is flawed. Let them line up in pads when games count and then evaluate.
There no such thing as a reach how many guys people say are going to be great and are bust
this guy has no idea what hes talking about
I think you're trying to do too much and all of your content kind of suffers as a result. A number of things you mentioned in this video were simply wrong and show you aren't very up to date on the Packers. Maybe instead of trying to do everything you could focus more on certain aspects, by releasing so much content, a bunch of it really mediocre and AI-esque, you worsen your product.
There receiving core was alright but to not get a single receiver is kinda crazy no?
It’s not crazy. There’s a ton of talent in that room. I don’t think there was a point in the draft where you’re adding an upgrade to the room compared to what you already have. They started out rough in 23 but they were also the youngest group in the league by far so it was kind of expected l. If you look at the play at the end of the year and how well it was across the board, there was no real reason to like anyone compared to what you have already in this draft unless you were taking in the top 10.
Their receiving corps is going to be special. And they’re the youngest in the league
Packers receiving room is really talented, just young. They addressed positions of need like oline, safety and linebacker. Receiver was not needed
The packer's recieving core, including tight ends, is so deep that even when three of our recievers were injured no teams dbs could cover them. We have had zero difficulty finding a person to throw to in the face of many injuries. Drafting a wide reciever would be completely superfluous. Not to mention Lloyd probably has the best recieving ability of any running back in the draft, and Josh Jacob's is great in the recieving game too.
Packers have probably the best receiving group, top to bottom, when you include tight end.
Average draft😢