Is Copper or Brass the best snare?
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- In the last #snaresaturday video, I showed you a Ludwig Copperphonic LC660 snare and a few of you mentioned you were now considering it over brass. Because of this, I decided to compare the copperphonic to another alternative metal snare, the chrome over brass, that way you could hear the differences between them.
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Time Stamps
00:00 - Intro
01:49 - Specs of the drums
03:25 - Why I’m comparing different drums
04:12 - Low Tuning
06:07 - Medium-Low Tuning
07:54 - Medium Tuning
10:30 - Medium-High Tuning
12:18 - High Tuning
14:04 - Cranked Tuning
15:53 - Closing Remarks
Is Copper or Brass the best snare?
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Let’s add to the confusion and add the bronzephonic to equation. Purchased my first 6.5 hammered bronze in 89 and recently add a 8x14 hammered bronze. All of these are great. You really can’t go wrong with a Ludwig metal snare. Most companies are trying to recreate the classics from Ludwig.
I like your thinking - that’s one I don’t have in the collection!
Hello. Do you like the 6.5 or 8 version of the hammered bronze best?
@@camerondean6804 i like them both. The 8 is more versatile than you think.
@@wadedixon9890 Thank you.
True!
I like the Copperphonic. But they both sound great.
I liked the copperphonic, too, though that COB sounded real nice in the medium high tuning. We can all agree though, they both sound great!
To my ears in the medium high to high tunings the Copperphonic kind of destroyed the COB rubber gaskets and all. In the high to cranked tunings, things sort of evened out between them though I have to give the nod to the Copperphonic with it's purer open tone. Both are beautiful drums and Nick I dig your fluid tasteful playing as well as your site content!
That’s a great observation! Couldn’t agree more, both are great drums 🥁
Your channel is really fun. Super helpful and entertaining!
Happy to hear that - thank you for tuning in and following along! 🙏 🥁 What makes it helpful? would love to hear your insight.
thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Copperphonic for me
Sounds super solid in all tunings. What did you like most about it?
Both sounded really good to me, but I tended to favor the Copper drum. I do have a Pewter Copperphonic in 6.5x14 and it's a really fine drum. I believe it was a limited-edition drum but not certain. Years ago, I had a Black Beauty from the '70's and I wasn't crazy about it and sold it. In fairness, I believe those shells were bronze and not brass in that era.
I have that same Pewter copperphonic - it's one of my go-to snares! Sounds like an EQ'ed snare in person, and is unreal. I'd love to see ludwig put it into production
Honestly, I can't decide between them. They're different, but I can't say which is better. I'd have to hear them in person to make a decision. Maybe it's my crappy laptop speakers, or maybe higher overtones are less audible when recorded, but the COB sounded drier than the copper at the higher tunings.
As long as it gets you to question, think, and hear a difference - that's all that matters! I like creating videos that don't tell people things, but help them make the realizations on their own. Hopefully a local shop has both in stock for you to hear in person, and can help you determine which one you prefer!
Great video! Ludwig makes incredible drums, so one can never go wrong with any of their snares or drum kits, but in this particular case, I prefer the Brass. Thanks for taking the time to make this
Couldn’t agree more, they’re often imitated but never duplicated! Appreciate you taking the time to check out the video and leave a comment!
Okay you sold me on the Copperphonic. Love how dry it is!
It’s a must have for your collection!
Question is should I do Copperphonic or copper acro
Copperphonic and acro BRONZE is the way to go!
I ordered a Copperphonic raw!
Beautiful drum!
I’m sold on the copper! I think the chrome on the brass dries it out a bit.
It’s a great drum a lot look over compared to supraphonic or brass/black beauty. It just delivers!
Listening back during the live stream I though the same thing with the COB - especially during the high tuning
Love this comparison ❤😊
Glad you did! What did you think of the snares?
Loved both but the copperphonic is better in my opinion. I have a 6.5 raw one. It’s great.
Oh nice! 6.5 or 7 are my go-to snare depth. I bet that raw copperphonic rips! Does the depth provide a little extra ring compared to the 5 in this video?
I've played the Copper Phonic, Pearl Exotic, Yamaha Maple Custom, Dennis Chambers Signature, Black Beauty, Rogers . . . a whole bunch on snares . . . it all depends on what you want for your sound . . . I like a high tuning, articulate, warm but phat sounding snare that has a "crack" and can also sound like a "concert" snare drum . . . damn, that's hard to find . . . I ended up with two snares . . . my 1993 Yamaha Maple Custom and my 2020 Benny Greb Signature brass.
Totally right, @wuffb - it all comes down to what sound you're looking for. Funny enough, concert snare drums usually come in maple or brass - so I can see what your ear gravitated towards. Both are great to have, and will cover a broad spectrum of sounds just with those 2
Fantastic! I always heard there was mystery behind copper. I picked up my first about a year ago. 6.5 copperphonic raw & it’s incredible. I even removed gaskets. I would love to know your tuning breakdown. High, med-high, low… It’s hard to gauge these differences. I use a drum dial to start & tension evenly up & down from there. How do you define your standards for the different tensions? Excellent work! TY! 10 out of 10! Love the Saturday Snare Series.
Yeah - I became a fan of copper when I got the pewter copperphonic a few years back. It sounded like it was EQ’ed in the room.
As for tuning, I always follow the same guidelines - tabletop tight for the bottom head, then adjust the top. Top head I’ll finger tighten all tension rods, then do a 1/2 or 3/4 turn on each lug. I’ll tap around each tension point and see if the drum resonates. If not, I’ll turn another 1/4 turn. Once the drum opens up, then I know that’s a good starting point with low tuning. From there, I’ll do a 1/4 turn on each lug to get from one tuning to the next. As for tuning labels, I relate it to the other tunings.
Hope this helps, and thank you for leaving a comment! 🙏 🥁
@@NickCostaMusic Yes, this is great. Thank you again Nick. 🙏🏻🤓
Of course! Thank you for the comment 🥁 🥁
Both sound great although, this time, I'm leaning towards the Copper.
Why don't you do a Copper vs Bronze comparison ?
Thks in advance.
Totally agree, both do sound great.
That’s a great recommendation! I think I’ll have to find a bronze drum now 🤔
COB for me
That’s a great choice! What made the COB stand out more than the copperphonic?
@@NickCostaMusic throaty crack and a little brighter
The Ludwig heads are not "Ludwig branded Remo heads". They are Ludwig heads made by Remo. The difference is that the Ludwig heads use the same proprietary processes, including crimped flesh hoops as used by Ludwig when they made their own. So, it's still the same Ludwig head it always was, just made in a different factory. To go a step further, Gretsch (and some other brands) heads are branded Remo heads. They use standard Remo models but with the respective companies logo.
Hey, uh, it has been proven that 80% of the sound coming out of a drum is due to the drum head.
It has? Mind sharing where this was discovered - I’d love to read up on it!
That leaves 20% of the sound made up from shell material, depth + diameter of shell, hoop type, weight of hardware, bearing edge of drum, even gaskets behind the lugs. Not saying the drum head doesn’t affect the sound, though 80% sounds like a bit of a stretch.