Let’s add to the confusion and add the bronzephonic to equation. Purchased my first 6.5 hammered bronze in 89 and recently add a 8x14 hammered bronze. All of these are great. You really can’t go wrong with a Ludwig metal snare. Most companies are trying to recreate the classics from Ludwig.
To my ears in the medium high to high tunings the Copperphonic kind of destroyed the COB rubber gaskets and all. In the high to cranked tunings, things sort of evened out between them though I have to give the nod to the Copperphonic with it's purer open tone. Both are beautiful drums and Nick I dig your fluid tasteful playing as well as your site content!
Great video! Ludwig makes incredible drums, so one can never go wrong with any of their snares or drum kits, but in this particular case, I prefer the Brass. Thanks for taking the time to make this
Oh nice! 6.5 or 7 are my go-to snare depth. I bet that raw copperphonic rips! Does the depth provide a little extra ring compared to the 5 in this video?
Honestly, I can't decide between them. They're different, but I can't say which is better. I'd have to hear them in person to make a decision. Maybe it's my crappy laptop speakers, or maybe higher overtones are less audible when recorded, but the COB sounded drier than the copper at the higher tunings.
As long as it gets you to question, think, and hear a difference - that's all that matters! I like creating videos that don't tell people things, but help them make the realizations on their own. Hopefully a local shop has both in stock for you to hear in person, and can help you determine which one you prefer!
I've played the Copper Phonic, Pearl Exotic, Yamaha Maple Custom, Dennis Chambers Signature, Black Beauty, Rogers . . . a whole bunch on snares . . . it all depends on what you want for your sound . . . I like a high tuning, articulate, warm but phat sounding snare that has a "crack" and can also sound like a "concert" snare drum . . . damn, that's hard to find . . . I ended up with two snares . . . my 1993 Yamaha Maple Custom and my 2020 Benny Greb Signature brass.
Totally right, @wuffb - it all comes down to what sound you're looking for. Funny enough, concert snare drums usually come in maple or brass - so I can see what your ear gravitated towards. Both are great to have, and will cover a broad spectrum of sounds just with those 2
Fantastic! I always heard there was mystery behind copper. I picked up my first about a year ago. 6.5 copperphonic raw & it’s incredible. I even removed gaskets. I would love to know your tuning breakdown. High, med-high, low… It’s hard to gauge these differences. I use a drum dial to start & tension evenly up & down from there. How do you define your standards for the different tensions? Excellent work! TY! 10 out of 10! Love the Saturday Snare Series.
Yeah - I became a fan of copper when I got the pewter copperphonic a few years back. It sounded like it was EQ’ed in the room. As for tuning, I always follow the same guidelines - tabletop tight for the bottom head, then adjust the top. Top head I’ll finger tighten all tension rods, then do a 1/2 or 3/4 turn on each lug. I’ll tap around each tension point and see if the drum resonates. If not, I’ll turn another 1/4 turn. Once the drum opens up, then I know that’s a good starting point with low tuning. From there, I’ll do a 1/4 turn on each lug to get from one tuning to the next. As for tuning labels, I relate it to the other tunings. Hope this helps, and thank you for leaving a comment! 🙏 🥁
It’s a great drum a lot look over compared to supraphonic or brass/black beauty. It just delivers! Listening back during the live stream I though the same thing with the COB - especially during the high tuning
I really like the sound of the COB too (at least compared to COA). How did the head and true hoop change the sound - I'm guessing dried the drum up a bit?
@@NickCostaMusic Yes it did. The hoop is really thick 3mm so it like die cast hoops, the rim shots-loud!The batter cut down on overtones, which l was looking for.
Both sounded really good to me, but I tended to favor the Copper drum. I do have a Pewter Copperphonic in 6.5x14 and it's a really fine drum. I believe it was a limited-edition drum but not certain. Years ago, I had a Black Beauty from the '70's and I wasn't crazy about it and sold it. In fairness, I believe those shells were bronze and not brass in that era.
I have that same Pewter copperphonic - it's one of my go-to snares! Sounds like an EQ'ed snare in person, and is unreal. I'd love to see ludwig put it into production
The Ludwig heads are not "Ludwig branded Remo heads". They are Ludwig heads made by Remo. The difference is that the Ludwig heads use the same proprietary processes, including crimped flesh hoops as used by Ludwig when they made their own. So, it's still the same Ludwig head it always was, just made in a different factory. To go a step further, Gretsch (and some other brands) heads are branded Remo heads. They use standard Remo models but with the respective companies logo.
That's great info, thank you for that! I was always under the impression the Ludwig weather master heads were the ludwig heads made by remo, where the ones on both drums in this video were remo heads they added the ludwig logo to like the Gretsch example. That's why in product descriptions it says they come with remo heads. Either way, what did you think of the drums?
@@NickCostaMusic Ludwig snare drums are always top notch. Even alot of the really budget line stuff sounds great. Both drums sounded amazing and if I were still on my buying jag I would probably go with both of them. BTW, I hope my tone about the heads didn't seem harsh, I certainly didn't intend it that way.
Totally agree, if it has Ludwig on it you know it's gonna sound good. I didn't take any offense by your comment on heads, and I hope the same for you with my response. Since we can't hear the tone of one another's voices via comments, I try to be level-headed when reading (unless the comment is clearly negative, of course). I just appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment and have this convo!
To be honest, I'm not a fan of brass snare drums. They sound clunky to me. I'll take chrome, steel, wood, acrolite even plexiglass over brass. So in this comparison, he copper is sweeter and more musical.
![Lp. Сердце Вселенной #60 РОЖДЕНИЕ ЛОЛОЛОШКИ [Финал] • Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YoR0pAV9FVQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Let’s add to the confusion and add the bronzephonic to equation. Purchased my first 6.5 hammered bronze in 89 and recently add a 8x14 hammered bronze. All of these are great. You really can’t go wrong with a Ludwig metal snare. Most companies are trying to recreate the classics from Ludwig.
I like your thinking - that’s one I don’t have in the collection!
Hello. Do you like the 6.5 or 8 version of the hammered bronze best?
@@camerondean6804 i like them both. The 8 is more versatile than you think.
@@wadedixon9890 Thank you.
True!
Your channel is really fun. Super helpful and entertaining!
Happy to hear that - thank you for tuning in and following along! 🙏 🥁 What makes it helpful? would love to hear your insight.
To my ears in the medium high to high tunings the Copperphonic kind of destroyed the COB rubber gaskets and all. In the high to cranked tunings, things sort of evened out between them though I have to give the nod to the Copperphonic with it's purer open tone. Both are beautiful drums and Nick I dig your fluid tasteful playing as well as your site content!
That’s a great observation! Couldn’t agree more, both are great drums 🥁
Great video! Ludwig makes incredible drums, so one can never go wrong with any of their snares or drum kits, but in this particular case, I prefer the Brass. Thanks for taking the time to make this
Couldn’t agree more, they’re often imitated but never duplicated! Appreciate you taking the time to check out the video and leave a comment!
I like the Copperphonic. But they both sound great.
I liked the copperphonic, too, though that COB sounded real nice in the medium high tuning. We can all agree though, they both sound great!
Okay you sold me on the Copperphonic. Love how dry it is!
It’s a must have for your collection!
Question is should I do Copperphonic or copper acro
Copperphonic and acro BRONZE is the way to go!
I ordered a Copperphonic raw!
Beautiful drum!
Love this comparison ❤😊
Glad you did! What did you think of the snares?
Loved both but the copperphonic is better in my opinion. I have a 6.5 raw one. It’s great.
Oh nice! 6.5 or 7 are my go-to snare depth. I bet that raw copperphonic rips! Does the depth provide a little extra ring compared to the 5 in this video?
Honestly, I can't decide between them. They're different, but I can't say which is better. I'd have to hear them in person to make a decision. Maybe it's my crappy laptop speakers, or maybe higher overtones are less audible when recorded, but the COB sounded drier than the copper at the higher tunings.
As long as it gets you to question, think, and hear a difference - that's all that matters! I like creating videos that don't tell people things, but help them make the realizations on their own. Hopefully a local shop has both in stock for you to hear in person, and can help you determine which one you prefer!
The Copperphonic catches my attention so this would be my choice
I've played the Copper Phonic, Pearl Exotic, Yamaha Maple Custom, Dennis Chambers Signature, Black Beauty, Rogers . . . a whole bunch on snares . . . it all depends on what you want for your sound . . . I like a high tuning, articulate, warm but phat sounding snare that has a "crack" and can also sound like a "concert" snare drum . . . damn, that's hard to find . . . I ended up with two snares . . . my 1993 Yamaha Maple Custom and my 2020 Benny Greb Signature brass.
Totally right, @wuffb - it all comes down to what sound you're looking for. Funny enough, concert snare drums usually come in maple or brass - so I can see what your ear gravitated towards. Both are great to have, and will cover a broad spectrum of sounds just with those 2
You should look if you can pick up a premier 2000 snare from before the mid 80's They deliver on that.
Fantastic! I always heard there was mystery behind copper. I picked up my first about a year ago. 6.5 copperphonic raw & it’s incredible. I even removed gaskets. I would love to know your tuning breakdown. High, med-high, low… It’s hard to gauge these differences. I use a drum dial to start & tension evenly up & down from there. How do you define your standards for the different tensions? Excellent work! TY! 10 out of 10! Love the Saturday Snare Series.
Yeah - I became a fan of copper when I got the pewter copperphonic a few years back. It sounded like it was EQ’ed in the room.
As for tuning, I always follow the same guidelines - tabletop tight for the bottom head, then adjust the top. Top head I’ll finger tighten all tension rods, then do a 1/2 or 3/4 turn on each lug. I’ll tap around each tension point and see if the drum resonates. If not, I’ll turn another 1/4 turn. Once the drum opens up, then I know that’s a good starting point with low tuning. From there, I’ll do a 1/4 turn on each lug to get from one tuning to the next. As for tuning labels, I relate it to the other tunings.
Hope this helps, and thank you for leaving a comment! 🙏 🥁
@@NickCostaMusic Yes, this is great. Thank you again Nick. 🙏🏻🤓
Of course! Thank you for the comment 🥁 🥁
I’m sold on the copper! I think the chrome on the brass dries it out a bit.
It’s a great drum a lot look over compared to supraphonic or brass/black beauty. It just delivers!
Listening back during the live stream I though the same thing with the COB - especially during the high tuning
thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Great..now I'm not sure if I'll get a 4x14 DW copper or the bell brass. The copper here was easily my favorite.
I think the copper might be a little cheaper, too - sounds like a win-win to me!
What did you like more about the copper over the brass?
Both sound great although, this time, I'm leaning towards the Copper.
Why don't you do a Copper vs Bronze comparison ?
Thks in advance.
Totally agree, both do sound great.
That’s a great recommendation! I think I’ll have to find a bronze drum now 🤔
I liked COB for me. I own 90's reissue COB, l eventually replaced the batter with Evans Genera and DW true hoop. Sounds even better !
I really like the sound of the COB too (at least compared to COA). How did the head and true hoop change the sound - I'm guessing dried the drum up a bit?
@@NickCostaMusic Yes it did. The hoop is really thick 3mm so it like die cast hoops, the rim shots-loud!The batter cut down on overtones, which l was looking for.
I put a set of 3.0 triple flange hoops on my acrylic kit I built at MCD - they're unreal!
@@NickCostaMusic DW collectors 6.5 ×14 nickle brass is also a gem snare for rock music.
Both sounded really good to me, but I tended to favor the Copper drum. I do have a Pewter Copperphonic in 6.5x14 and it's a really fine drum. I believe it was a limited-edition drum but not certain. Years ago, I had a Black Beauty from the '70's and I wasn't crazy about it and sold it. In fairness, I believe those shells were bronze and not brass in that era.
I have that same Pewter copperphonic - it's one of my go-to snares! Sounds like an EQ'ed snare in person, and is unreal. I'd love to see ludwig put it into production
That copper sound more warm and explosive for my hear nice 😅
That's what I hear too, a tad drier as well
17:40 COB has more of that classic rrcorded ludwig sound. But I'm predjudiced cuz I have 70
COB Supersensitive...
The sound of a drum is the heads.
The Ludwig heads are not "Ludwig branded Remo heads". They are Ludwig heads made by Remo. The difference is that the Ludwig heads use the same proprietary processes, including crimped flesh hoops as used by Ludwig when they made their own. So, it's still the same Ludwig head it always was, just made in a different factory. To go a step further, Gretsch (and some other brands) heads are branded Remo heads. They use standard Remo models but with the respective companies logo.
That's great info, thank you for that! I was always under the impression the Ludwig weather master heads were the ludwig heads made by remo, where the ones on both drums in this video were remo heads they added the ludwig logo to like the Gretsch example. That's why in product descriptions it says they come with remo heads.
Either way, what did you think of the drums?
@@NickCostaMusic Ludwig snare drums are always top notch. Even alot of the really budget line stuff sounds great. Both drums sounded amazing and if I were still on my buying jag I would probably go with both of them. BTW, I hope my tone about the heads didn't seem harsh, I certainly didn't intend it that way.
Totally agree, if it has Ludwig on it you know it's gonna sound good. I didn't take any offense by your comment on heads, and I hope the same for you with my response. Since we can't hear the tone of one another's voices via comments, I try to be level-headed when reading (unless the comment is clearly negative, of course). I just appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment and have this convo!
Copperphonic has more pleasant overtones to me, the brass one sounded too harsh or almost out of tune most of the times
Copperphonic for me
Sounds super solid in all tunings. What did you like most about it?
COB for me
That’s a great choice! What made the COB stand out more than the copperphonic?
@@NickCostaMusic throaty crack and a little brighter
Totally agree!
To be honest, I'm not a fan of brass snare drums. They sound clunky to me. I'll take chrome, steel, wood, acrolite even plexiglass over brass. So in this comparison, he copper is sweeter and more musical.
Totally understand - brass can have some harsh and long overtones that can be a bit overbearing.