Oakensoul PVP healer should have told us what we needed to know about how he was going to play and he delivered exactly what we all thought. It was actually painful to watch him play not because he was bad. He has the right to be a bad player but it was painful to watch because he didn't know the basics of combat mechanics but he's in charge of it all!?!? That's insane. I have to give props to the guy for milking Bethesda's payroll like that. That's the only respectable thing about him.
It was embarrassing to watch Wheeler in this BG. Embarrassing. He didn't even HA for resources. No one expected him to be god tier. No one. We expected him to be moderately competent. I had half of my messages deleted and I was just asking questions. Then of course the BGs crapping out badly was kinda hilarious. I honestly don't know what they were thinking. This seemed so ill prepped. I agree with you It should happen more and Wheeler should not have to run the thing along with playing. I did laugh that Sypher said everything out loud we all have been saying for years. They won't listen to him either.
Watching New World's Roadmap and how all the devs were actually really in to pvp opened my eyes after seeing how ESO devs will just say "oh yeah, here's what's going on for pvp for you guys who like it"
Great video! I don't think most people expected him to be a "God-Tier" player. But that gameplay was pretty bad compared to the average player. I think that initial response by them is a bit of a cop out and trying to state that the community had unrealistic expectations. No, I think most people just wanted to see competent gameplay from a lead dev that works on combat. I agree that they should do more and perhaps this guy should take some time to learn what players are running and what kind of METAs they have been creating in the lab.
Sypher is 100% right. Killing players has become extraordinarily difficult. Mitigation and healing is way way too high and damage has not kept pace. ZoS has put in the ground everything that can kill you....bleeds, defile, oblivion damage, dots....all been left in the dirt. And yes, it shows dev incompetence, but players need to take some responsibility as well. We (in general) cry for a nerf literally anytime anything kills us, until now, all that's left is tanky healing. Everyone is so afraid to die, the game has become a meme...it's all about survivability and not about killing. PvP needs a balance between killing and survivability, and ESO just doesn't have that. People need to stop calling for nerfs when they die, and devs need to know better. ESO has a bad combination, and something needs to change. Thanks for the video bro 💪🏻
Yeah if you’re not one of the top players who can 1vX or if you’re not in a ball group then your average pvp experience is getting rekt left and right by anything that moves. Sucks to say but it’s true for majority of players in pvp… on the other hand I’ve been playing new world again lately and it’s been a nice change in pace being able to actually kill players without feeling like I have to be trying so hard for one kill
i went 33 and 2 the other day.... i play a NB i average about 8 and 2 so im not sure what your talking about... i DPS just fine in PVP, oblivion dmg and fire dmg are essential parts of my build.... overcharged, burning, sundered, defile, major and minor breach are all essential to my build... i have a great balance with KB's and survival and im a NB .... so again not sure what your talking about.... maybe you just haven't figured it out yet...
Sypherpk played before the hybrid era it was a different game back then the hybrid era is causing this problem with to much healing and 40k health healers with 36k resists. the hybrid era IS the problem.
people called out when hybrid was on pts how bad it was for pvp due to making everyone a healer but pvp was ignored and my stamblade could 20k plus burst heal anyone now
no its not.... they capped resist lower, there are ways to get past okensoul and there are ways to really hurt someone with high health. i get plenty of kills on tanks and healers as a NB i dont die much but i do die... average bg for me is 8 and 2.... a good bomber can destroy a tank or heavy healer easy... the only class that is OP right now is sorc.... and even then its really not bad you just have another sorc counter or use a bowblade .... i remember i was super frustrated when i came back but i figured it out, and a few changes have made it better than what it was. i think people focus on sets and metas way too much when they should be focused on their stats.
Brian's gameplay aside, the thing that blows my mind is that they did this big 'ole stream event when the Battlegrounds queue issue is STILL causing a significant chunk of games to not start. So much of that stream was waiting for the five minute kick in bugged lobbies. Were they truly not aware of how debilitating this queue issue has been for the last month? It's cliché to say "the devs don't play their own game," but like, what other conclusion can you draw? If they had played any Battlegrounds since U44 went live, they would've known how terrible of an idea doing this stream was, given the queue/lobby issue.
This is probably why Microsoft wants to shift things out of Zenimax but yeah totally agree with Sypher. Very silly when a 40k tank warden can drop ult and do 23k dmg.
excellent video and assessment of so much of not only what is wrong with ESO pvp meta and the larger game, but especially the developers turning a blind eye to these problems and concerns from the player base, and pvpers as well----we need a new team of devs and new initiatives and ideas to be sourced from the player communities that are passionate from within the game itself ^_^ --the current dev team is not receptive and it's hurting the game
It looks really bad when they sunset the class rep program and then made changes in update 35 to DoT effects, and then you watch Wheeler on the stream look like he has no sense for how to play. (His build made no sense. His actions made no sense.)
Bruh was getting his ass cooked on that 1bar Templar😂🤣 I understand he don’t have time to play like the rest of us but bro you the lead combat developer bro lol
The reality of all this is that most of the community is truly frustrated with the way pvp is being treated no endgame for years now , unbalanced sets , unbalance , healing , glitches , server errors , kicks , timeouts , skills not working properly , then they make new bg stages showed it live which became a disaster see all the same issues follow by the man himself responsible to fix combat etc doesnt have to be an expert but at least competent . abt not wearing meta not so much a big deal even tho its important for some there many capable sets that might not be the best but still ok but it was more a concern that a big developer had no clue how to even pvp . plus with many other mmos out on xbox one the game on a decline , love the game but we cant be naive where the game is at !!
also to their response about how the dev teams skill at the game ranges from bad to good my question would be why would they get one of the worst player on the dev team to go on a steam that promotes the game? seems you would wanna have a good player who could show off how clean combos can be and how smooth you can play on a moble build instead of just sitting still not knowing what the skills on the bar do.
Tbf, you can be an elite engineer for an engine without having a drivers license, you don't need to drive to know how engines work or vice versa. Being combat designer in a videogame and not knowing said combat tho...
Imo it’s even worse than having no ID. It’s like being a car maker, but they have never drove a car themselves or sat in one. And then get mad at the people that drive the cars they make, because they complain about the seats being uncomfortable or the gas mileage being shit.
@@awilddevereaux it’s not. It’s almost an argument from authority. “I’ma better game dev than the other companies…” “Why?” “Because I’m good at the games I make” “Huh?”
Brian Wheeler is the lead combat designer and can’t combat, doesn’t understand the combat, and can’t even setup a build around the combat that he should fully understand. We weren’t asking for god tier, we were asking for competency though. It’s a bad look for the whole video and community. His combat was about as good as me handling my controller to my toddler. But at least she would have a good build with survivability 😂😂.
Gongrats on your platform growing my man , we used to throw hands in ghratwood on xbox NA 😂 i havnt played in a couple years just because the power creep is insane , duels lasting 20-30 mins is insane , nothing but sweats was left in the game before i left .
We were on the same team in a BGs match yesterday...GG. That ZOS stream was set up to fail. I don't want to blame the streamers or Wheeler. I blame ZOS. Because if you look at how ZOS usually do their streams. Like a new dungeon or something like that. It is usually Gina with Rich/Finn or someone who was involved with what they are showcasing. If they bring a streamer on, then it is usually someone who is familiar with the current gameplay and mechanics (ex...Xynode). No disrespect to Sypher but he hasn't played the game in years. I am not familiar with the other streamer, she was pretty quiet, and I didn't learn much about her other than she has a black cat. That is why streams have someone like Gina. To ask questions, direct the conversation, hit ZOS bullet points, fill dead air, Crown Store etc. It was if Wheeler pissed the wrong people off and they hung him out to dry.
People really thought I was joking when I said that I miss Eric Wrobel. At least he knew how the fucking game worked. Sypher really deserves better than this shitty MMO.
every class needs a heal that scales off health. hp cap should be no less than 45k and they should also make combat turned based for players who have a harder time keeping up with the toxic meta sweats
Been a minute brother. Bout to make a comeback after a year and a half of being off ESO lol hopefully we can run some IC. Glad to see you still consistent with the content man keep up the work! -oRexttt
This was big loss for zos. All my friends stopped playing. This was not a needed change. They re worked imperical city rewards for no reason..... why not just adjust tevlar drops in bottom sewrs to match world boss's above grounds. Then add cool weekly molag ball drops. Youd only be changing in game rewards and u can breathe life into old content. battlegrounds is 2 one sided now. They could remove 100 people from cyrodill servers remove 2 keeps from each faction and shorten keep running distance to give an all new cyrodill feel. HOW LONG HAVE PLAYERS BEEN ASKING FOR THESE CHANGES, but what do they do, they screw battlegrounds over, and after livestream lose 4k concurrent players down to 10k. Brian wheeler or whoever is in charge should be fired. U can easily make some small changes 2 pvp for big effect. Reduce group healing, change cyrodill, fix sewers. THEY ALWAYS DO THE WRONG STUFF😂 stop your eso subscriptions pls
There is a reason why they have made $15 million every single month since the launch of this game. And it has little to do with nothing when it comes down to PvP, and at this point in time if you are still asking that question on why they don't care about ESO PvP as much then it's time for you all to COPE and move on to something else or just enjoy what you have. They make their money from new players end game in this game is ANYTHING you want it to be. Housing, Fishing, Gold Market, Guild leaders, RPing Events, Fishing, the list goes on and on. Just the other day on PC NA there was a group of 50 DC doing a sightseeing tour inside grey host during prime time talking about the lore and specific locations inside the zone and those 50 players took up the que for those who wanted to access PvP to actually play PvP... So yah at this point it's just time to enjoy the game as much as you can and don't expect ANYTHING to ever change when it comes down to Cyrodiil or PvP for that matter.
I understand the stream is both a marketing ploy (as pulling a huge, popular streamer who used to play ESO) was intended to be a positive experience, you can't facilitate contact between devs and players without expecting criticism. Now hoping that it all stays constructive and not inflammatory is one thing, but the big problem ZOS, as many other big studios have... Is the problem with "toxic positivity". Everything has gotta be happy and sunny, no negatives or disagreeing. I know it's not EASY or ENCOURAGING to get less than positive feedback, but from people who are giving it with a honest and helpful position, it really pushes players away to realize "Hey, they aren't listening to us, because they don't appear to want to hear a different opinion."
Lead dev has never played the game consistently in his life. There’s a difference between god tier and not knowing you can heavy attack. Also why is the lead combat designer unable to dodge roll? This game is just a job to the devs. You can tell there is no passion or drive for making the game better. By their lack of experience actually play their own game.
Good video, all of these reactions need to be spammed in the eso forums. If they do these silly updates that help out the more casual players, I wonder how it would go if they made a cyrodiil for those under the alliance rank of ~30, that way it will definitely give people enough experience to keep up with the more experienced players, and if they still cant keep up then maybe cyrodiil isn't for they and they shouldn't complain about the imbalance.
As someone who has enjoyed mmos (Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, World of Warcraft and ESO) primarily for its pvp content, I find the combat system of ESO to be truly the best. It is very disheartening to see so much damn potential not being realized.
I really agree with sypher I remember the days when you had to pretty much go full stam or full mag for damege or healing, now pretty much every other class except sorc is like 50 into health rest into mag or stam still doing 19k merciless at 40k health still heal, I mean I really hope they dont change it right now because they need guidence for sure by someone like you or someone who really knows what they are talking about.
Remember "Ford vs Ferrari" movie? It was a moment, when pro racer took mr Ford and gave him a ride on a new sports car. Mr Ford cried and probably peed in his pants. He was so out of touch, he didn't have any clue, what it takes to be a sports racer, what is racing. We saw just that on this livestream. Person, who os in charge of making core decisions, is clueless.
He’s right this game has the most fun combat system but it doesn’t feel like the devs play the same game we do. They change the game in such weird ways that are really frustrating. I still can’t get over the dot changes.
Historically, ZOS has never been very open to player input unless it was something that confirms their opinion. They've also never been shy about removing comments or opinions that they don't like.
It's a gigantic kick in the balls because we have been assuming all along that they understand the fundamentals of the systems WE aree using. But no...they have n damn clue at all how to play their own game. So how can they be trusted to balance it? They cannot. They need to do some self reflection and be open about this and tap the community as a resource.
So nobody is going to bring up the fact that during the stream, Wheeler got bagged like 3-4 times. Trying to promote your game to draw in more players and showcase the combat, and the main combat developer gets repeatedly smoked and bagged
The tank meta exists because Tanks have no predators anymore. I had a build that would kill tanks. It was a slow but hard hitting heavy attack build. I sacrificed survivability to specialize in bringing down the toughest opponents, but ZOS nerfed it. Removed all the heavy attacks sets from PVP. Now my build is just a squishy 22k HP Bowden that also hits like a wet noodle. This is the shit they do that causes people to quit. People who actually care about the game. ZOS acts like there are no trade offs to competent builds. Sure, Everyone was prey to me but I was also prey to everyone. Well…Now that they nerfed me and other specialized killer builds, Tanks roam without predators.
100% agree with community and with sypher, the state of pvp is lost because the lead combat dev doesnt know how to play the game and no he doesnt have to be the best but he didnt even know to keep up his buffs and his build was for years ago... The state of pvp is bad with too big of heals and too much HP, revert back to earlier pvp days and people would return... tank meta is awful for players... its PVP you should die not sit there and tank and heal groups.
Battle spirit needs a -50% cross healing/shielding reducion. Still some issues like Sorc being too overpowered right now, I would reduce the magicka 1000 = 100 wd/sd tooltip contribution to 1000 = 60 wd/sd tooltip contribution. Fix bg group queue, bring back the old bg system as a custom match creation. All problems solved :)
Okay, it's not that the guy is not so good at PVP, in fact terrible. It is the fact that he is in charge of it and demonstrated live on stream that he knows nothing about PVP. It is horrible advertising and PR. You can be a causal player. That's fine. But the man is in charge of PVP and demonstrated he couldn't even relay on his colleges to give him a "pvp" build or advise before hosting this event. He just proved all the critics right. That's the last thing you want to do when selling a product. I've been playing the game off and on since launch. I have 180hrs. And if you give me the resources, I will fix PVP. I would be willing to put my notes and ideas in writing and hand it to the devs, just so I could contribute to the continuation of a game I love. Get me in there with their coders, and we will get it done.
Sypher is right when he said the tank meta has been going on for a while. Probably since 2018 or so which is when i quit. I have come back recently and am enjoying playing since its been so long but I still find all the tanky players very frustrating. I've been in many BGs where players have 0 deaths. I actually play more PvE these days since PvP is not fun a lot of the time. I do think part of the problem is players constantly complaining on forums about anything they dislike. If healing was nerfed i guarantee within a week or two people will be in the forums saying they die too easy and can't heal themselves effectively. Another issue is hybridization of classes. My DPS builds now have access to massive burst heal skills that were previously useless to me. On my actual hybrid builds now I go 750k/750k in DMG/heals in BG. I would be very curious to see self heals count towards healing scores in BGs just so we can see how much heals are really going around.
It means there is human. Well, guess what, so am I. So im asking why your lead designer is completely unable to do the basics of combat. Am i asking too much ? Look at smite. All the devs play their game and look at how successful it is for its PvP
I always preferred bgs to cyro and ic but now they actually killed this mode for real It's either: 1 - you get kicked because not enough players 2 - you get unbalanced 8v8 3 - you get unbalanced 4v4 4 - very rarely you can get in balanced match but then the cycle continues anyway It's literally unplayable Me and my friend were trying to play it recently and it's exactly how I just described We wait for queue for eternity then we usually either get kicked or get into the most unbalanced match known to men I really wish that they at least bring back old bgs if not fix these ones Because those definitely were much more playable and balanced, going from 3 to 2 teams is alongside new queue system is really that much of a difference
Remove mythic gear, make heavy or medium armor nerf magicka abilities (maybe duration), no soft caps, do hard caps for resist/hp/magicka and balance PvE and PvP separately. Add cons to having max HP over max Magicka or Stam and vice versa to bring back build identity and to make the game fun again. Everyone is a heal tank DPS, there needs to be limitations in place, a rock-paper-scissors system where you can't be best at everything.
Can't just remove stuff people has payed for and farmed for its too late and they have to build around it now. Besides its just some mythics that need nerf some are actually ballanced like moras whisper!
eso is a casual game that strives to "include" everyone. im sorry but youll need a time machine if you want eso to ever promote skill again. 95% of the 2024 player base would leave the game with any of these changes
Perhaps part of the 8 hour dev work day SHOULD involve just playing the game. 1 hour a day. Pvp is very nearly a "superhero game" where meta means your are fast, and tanky, and stealthy, and do a lot of damage all in 1 toon! In its current state pvp really is another game premise altogether, despite having some great gameplay elements.
Elder scrolls online pvp is all about having fun. You dont need to win. It's okay to lose... lose... and lose some more... eventually, you get to meet doug and then win.
I've played ESO for about 6 years. My main is a Grand Overlord, Flawless Conqueror, and I've been ranked at high positions on PvP leaderboard for quite a few times. After thousands of hours of game play, I'm really frustrated. PvP balance is a joke in this game, no kidding. I'm a business analyst at a multinational company in real life. I've studied some leaderboard statistics, and found huge problems with class balance.. I've voiced out but no one cares. For people enjoy PvE, ESO may still be a good game, but if you prefer PvP, I'd suggest you play something else.
If we put vet or even casual pvp players aside completely, the devs have to ask themselves - would non pvp players or even complete beginners to eso be enticed to play pvp after watching this shitshow? Because if to them this also looks horrible, then why even keep developing pvp in this vision they have. Might as well delete that part of the game
I actually don’t like the ESO response there. The end result of the effort has not been well received. At the most simple level, they should have realized that 2-team would be stomp or get stomped. The solution is simple. Involve your community in the process. Don’t just go off and totally change things without input. It really makes me worry about what they might do to Cyrodiil at some point. You know, if they don’t ignore it for another 10 years.
Noo that's the issue actually, they listened to all the PvPers that would die to one specific ability or armor set and then would buff/nerf accordingly. The reason why build identity and just the general identity of combat has went to nothing is because the devs are catering so hard to a vocal minority, and now we have tanky heal DPS builds that can do everything, oh and they added Mythic gear to combat power creep and completely ruined the game even further.
@@subsume7904 Bro you already forgot maras ?😂 the tank meta was a counter reaction to all these new proc sets which are busted. The problem is you can be at 36-38k resist with 2 dmg sets. For example my dk used to be way of fire and the new dk set and that shit was busted asf. People would melt in like 5 seconds and don’t forget the ridiculous amount of tankyness. That’s what created tanks they are just tired of broken ass proc sets and how you can build a dd tank with abnormal dmg. Light, medium and Heavy Armor also need balancing updates. You basically run 3 heavy, 3 medium and 1 light or 4 heavy. This has no drawback either, you just lose some dmg but you run 2 dmg sets which will nullify every dmg drawback. It’s just stupid that proc sets like 4-5 k tool tip dmg over time were even created. I understand if it has a tricky proc condition to achieve but it’s just so light attack or crit.
The lead combat dev exposed himself as incompetent and uncaring, by not understanding the basic mechanics of the game. Zos: business as usual. "Perhaps he had a bad day". Toxic positivity seems very ZoS. I Imagine the game could be a lot more succesful, if it had leadership that punished failing. My first day on the job I'm firing the huggybears and office mascots
I gave ESO a try last year, came from another MMO. I really liked it but eventually quit because there is basically no competitive pvp content. It’s just ego duels, hunting for clips, or fan made events. ( A huge hassle and often a mess ) When I heard they were doing a BG update I got really excited. What a disappointment. This shit was such a massive failure and the fact they haven’t fixed BGs yet is completely pathetic and inexcusable. This game is never going to not be dogshit for pvpers and I highly encourage other pvpers to look into alternative MMOs. There are better games out there. So glad I quit and am never looking back after this. ESO pvp is doomed.
PK is the OG from ESO and moved on because he got smart and realized the trash can ESO was becoming and went where the content was for his channel/business. I guarantee they payed him to do this ain’t no way he got seen on this game again for free 🤣
They either didn’t prep ahead of time or don’t have enough hands on experience themselves to understand the game mechanics they dictate. To me it just shows a lack of passion for the game itself. And explains why the changes they make are made so haphazardly every patch. No one is this bad at a game they like or play regularly. Not expecting God tier skills from the dev but maybe that’s the issue Zenimax is missing. Why don’t they try hiring a few people as “consultants” that are already in the community to help give feedback back and ideas to the combat dev. If he’s only here to make the game not play it. How would he ever know how to make it better?
9:18 Did he really discovered that after 3-4(or even more) years of tank meta ?! For me it's the proof the devs never listen to players on the forums or PTS forums. Same with the heals in pvp. Idk how many ppl spoke about it during years literally...
I don't carae if he is the worst player to have ever played. What bugs me, is he did not know what the sets were that Sypher asked about and was annoyed about when it has been brought up hundreds of times, right or wrong.
I just went to check to see if Sypher had a video up on it, and I see he is getting a million views every video wtf, I didn’t know Fortnite youtubers were still getting that kind of views, he must be loaded 😂 and no he doesn’t have a recent eso video
The whole thing was poorly executed. They have better PVPer in house they could have used. Lots of dead air with no moderator. I'm not sure why they keep bringing Sypher back for these events. It's clear he does not play the game anymore. Not well thought out. The in house dev is Gilliantherogue.
If they make a hp cap they will have to reduce dmg for one lol. Get hit with a 22k spec and an execute with 30k hp atm and your toast. The whole game will need a rework ain't happening they don't like to spend money 😂
Oakensoul PVP healer should have told us what we needed to know about how he was going to play and he delivered exactly what we all thought. It was actually painful to watch him play not because he was bad. He has the right to be a bad player but it was painful to watch because he didn't know the basics of combat mechanics but he's in charge of it all!?!? That's insane. I have to give props to the guy for milking Bethesda's payroll like that. That's the only respectable thing about him.
we are fucked
LMFAO
We've been fucked, my dood.
It was embarrassing to watch Wheeler in this BG. Embarrassing. He didn't even HA for resources. No one expected him to be god tier. No one. We expected him to be moderately competent. I had half of my messages deleted and I was just asking questions. Then of course the BGs crapping out badly was kinda hilarious. I honestly don't know what they were thinking. This seemed so ill prepped. I agree with you It should happen more and Wheeler should not have to run the thing along with playing. I did laugh that Sypher said everything out loud we all have been saying for years. They won't listen to him either.
this is insane how could you balance combat if you don't know the basics of combat
thats been the core problem, it was even worse trying to balance 4x4x4 so this is at least a step in the right direction
Watching New World's Roadmap and how all the devs were actually really in to pvp opened my eyes after seeing how ESO devs will just say "oh yeah, here's what's going on for pvp for you guys who like it"
Great video! I don't think most people expected him to be a "God-Tier" player. But that gameplay was pretty bad compared to the average player. I think that initial response by them is a bit of a cop out and trying to state that the community had unrealistic expectations. No, I think most people just wanted to see competent gameplay from a lead dev that works on combat. I agree that they should do more and perhaps this guy should take some time to learn what players are running and what kind of METAs they have been creating in the lab.
The fact he uses oakensoul tells you everything you need to know
Sypher is 100% right. Killing players has become extraordinarily difficult. Mitigation and healing is way way too high and damage has not kept pace.
ZoS has put in the ground everything that can kill you....bleeds, defile, oblivion damage, dots....all been left in the dirt.
And yes, it shows dev incompetence, but players need to take some responsibility as well. We (in general) cry for a nerf literally anytime anything kills us, until now, all that's left is tanky healing. Everyone is so afraid to die, the game has become a meme...it's all about survivability and not about killing.
PvP needs a balance between killing and survivability, and ESO just doesn't have that.
People need to stop calling for nerfs when they die, and devs need to know better.
ESO has a bad combination, and something needs to change.
Thanks for the video bro 💪🏻
Yeah if you’re not one of the top players who can 1vX or if you’re not in a ball group then your average pvp experience is getting rekt left and right by anything that moves. Sucks to say but it’s true for majority of players in pvp… on the other hand I’ve been playing new world again lately and it’s been a nice change in pace being able to actually kill players without feeling like I have to be trying so hard for one kill
@@codykeener2736then learn to 1vx dont cry and moan cuz you suck. That goes for any game.
Exactly this 👊🏼
I'd like to see sypher's comments on the cyro ball groups lol
i went 33 and 2 the other day.... i play a NB
i average about 8 and 2 so im not sure what your talking about... i DPS just fine in PVP, oblivion dmg and fire dmg are essential parts of my build.... overcharged, burning, sundered, defile, major and minor breach are all essential to my build...
i have a great balance with KB's and survival and im a NB .... so again not sure what your talking about.... maybe you just haven't figured it out yet...
Sypherpk played before the hybrid era it was a different game back then the hybrid era is causing this problem with to much healing and 40k health healers with 36k resists.
the hybrid era IS the problem.
people called out when hybrid was on pts how bad it was for pvp due to making everyone a healer but pvp was ignored and my stamblade could 20k plus burst heal anyone now
no its not.... they capped resist lower, there are ways to get past okensoul and there are ways to really hurt someone with high health. i get plenty of kills on tanks and healers as a NB i dont die much but i do die... average bg for me is 8 and 2.... a good bomber can destroy a tank or heavy healer easy... the only class that is OP right now is sorc.... and even then its really not bad you just have another sorc counter or use a bowblade .... i remember i was super frustrated when i came back but i figured it out, and a few changes have made it better than what it was.
i think people focus on sets and metas way too much when they should be focused on their stats.
@@stevej9636 you are living proof that not everyone should be allowed to have an opinion
@@Magplar got you panties in a bunch? some sand in your vag? sorry to hear bud
He played during v16 on Xbox then moved to pc
not the eso dev comment gas lighting LMAO
Brian's gameplay aside, the thing that blows my mind is that they did this big 'ole stream event when the Battlegrounds queue issue is STILL causing a significant chunk of games to not start. So much of that stream was waiting for the five minute kick in bugged lobbies. Were they truly not aware of how debilitating this queue issue has been for the last month? It's cliché to say "the devs don't play their own game," but like, what other conclusion can you draw? If they had played any Battlegrounds since U44 went live, they would've known how terrible of an idea doing this stream was, given the queue/lobby issue.
They definitely needed more prep for this stream
This is probably why Microsoft wants to shift things out of Zenimax but yeah totally agree with Sypher. Very silly when a 40k tank warden can drop ult and do 23k dmg.
Where does it say that?
@ Its all over. Their was a strike going on.
excellent video and assessment of so much of not only what is wrong with ESO pvp meta and the larger game, but especially the developers turning a blind eye to these problems and concerns from the player base, and pvpers as well----we need a new team of devs and new initiatives and ideas to be sourced from the player communities that are passionate from within the game itself ^_^ --the current dev team is not receptive and it's hurting the game
It looks really bad when they sunset the class rep program and then made changes in update 35 to DoT effects, and then you watch Wheeler on the stream look like he has no sense for how to play. (His build made no sense. His actions made no sense.)
Bruh was getting his ass cooked on that 1bar Templar😂🤣 I understand he don’t have time to play like the rest of us but bro you the lead combat developer bro lol
Constructive comment:
Utilize battle spirit.
For every 1k health above 25k reduce damage by 150, reduce crit by 125.
Something like that.
the point of eso in 2024 is to farm money from arthritis ridden gamer grandpas. not to make a fun and balanced pvp experience
@@Magplar😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The reality of all this is that most of the community is truly frustrated with the way pvp is being treated no endgame for years now , unbalanced sets , unbalance , healing , glitches , server errors , kicks , timeouts , skills not working properly , then they make new bg stages showed it live which became a disaster see all the same issues follow by the man himself responsible to fix combat etc doesnt have to be an expert but at least competent . abt not wearing meta not so much a big deal even tho its important for some there many capable sets that might not be the best but still ok but it was more a concern that a big developer had no clue how to even pvp . plus with many other mmos out on xbox one the game on a decline , love the game but we cant be naive where the game is at !!
I have zero hope that this game will ever be good again. We will be forever trapped in the shadow of patch 35.
W dev team with how great they make the game i totally would never quit this game to go main throne
also to their response about how the dev teams skill at the game ranges from bad to good my question would be why would they get one of the worst player on the dev team to go on a steam that promotes the game? seems you would wanna have a good player who could show off how clean combos can be and how smooth you can play on a moble build instead of just sitting still not knowing what the skills on the bar do.
Imagine being a lead automobile engine designer but not having a driver's license. This is Brian Wheeler. There is no excuse whatsoever.
Tbf, you can be an elite engineer for an engine without having a drivers license, you don't need to drive to know how engines work or vice versa. Being combat designer in a videogame and not knowing said combat tho...
Imo it’s even worse than having no ID. It’s like being a car maker, but they have never drove a car themselves or sat in one. And then get mad at the people that drive the cars they make, because they complain about the seats being uncomfortable or the gas mileage being shit.
This analogy is dumb af. Do you think that the guys who build space shuttles are also astronauts? No. But they still build them pretty well.
I don't think that's a good analogy lol
@@awilddevereaux it’s not. It’s almost an argument from authority.
“I’ma better game dev than the other companies…”
“Why?”
“Because I’m good at the games I make”
“Huh?”
The public is never happy when they get a peek behind the corporate curtain.
no passion
They literally had clowns playing period, they should’ve had you and kog , all the other Xers
Brian Wheeler is the lead combat designer and can’t combat, doesn’t understand the combat, and can’t even setup a build around the combat that he should fully understand. We weren’t asking for god tier, we were asking for competency though. It’s a bad look for the whole video and community.
His combat was about as good as me handling my controller to my toddler. But at least she would have a good build with survivability 😂😂.
Gongrats on your platform growing my man , we used to throw hands in ghratwood on xbox NA 😂 i havnt played in a couple years just because the power creep is insane , duels lasting 20-30 mins is insane , nothing but sweats was left in the game before i left .
We were on the same team in a BGs match yesterday...GG. That ZOS stream was set up to fail. I don't want to blame the streamers or Wheeler. I blame ZOS. Because if you look at how ZOS usually do their streams. Like a new dungeon or something like that. It is usually Gina with Rich/Finn or someone who was involved with what they are showcasing. If they bring a streamer on, then it is usually someone who is familiar with the current gameplay and mechanics (ex...Xynode). No disrespect to Sypher but he hasn't played the game in years. I am not familiar with the other streamer, she was pretty quiet, and I didn't learn much about her other than she has a black cat. That is why streams have someone like Gina. To ask questions, direct the conversation, hit ZOS bullet points, fill dead air, Crown Store etc. It was if Wheeler pissed the wrong people off and they hung him out to dry.
I could dust that guy and you know how good i am at pvp lmao
People really thought I was joking when I said that I miss Eric Wrobel. At least he knew how the fucking game worked. Sypher really deserves better than this shitty MMO.
Hp cap no more heal based skills lower damage bring back class identity
every class needs a heal that scales off health. hp cap should be no less than 45k and they should also make combat turned based for players who have a harder time keeping up with the toxic meta sweats
@ 😂
Sypher nailed the reason a lot of us day 1 players stopped. I miss the good old days.
Been a minute brother. Bout to make a comeback after a year and a half of being off ESO lol hopefully we can run some IC. Glad to see you still consistent with the content man keep up the work! -oRexttt
This was big loss for zos. All my friends stopped playing. This was not a needed change. They re worked imperical city rewards for no reason..... why not just adjust tevlar drops in bottom sewrs to match world boss's above grounds. Then add cool weekly molag ball drops. Youd only be changing in game rewards and u can breathe life into old content. battlegrounds is 2 one sided now. They could remove 100 people from cyrodill servers remove 2 keeps from each faction and shorten keep running distance to give an all new cyrodill feel. HOW LONG HAVE PLAYERS BEEN ASKING FOR THESE CHANGES, but what do they do, they screw battlegrounds over, and after livestream lose 4k concurrent players down to 10k. Brian wheeler or whoever is in charge should be fired. U can easily make some small changes 2 pvp for big effect. Reduce group healing, change cyrodill, fix sewers. THEY ALWAYS DO THE WRONG STUFF😂 stop your eso subscriptions pls
There is a reason why they have made $15 million every single month since the launch of this game. And it has little to do with nothing when it comes down to PvP, and at this point in time if you are still asking that question on why they don't care about ESO PvP as much then it's time for you all to COPE and move on to something else or just enjoy what you have. They make their money from new players end game in this game is ANYTHING you want it to be. Housing, Fishing, Gold Market, Guild leaders, RPing Events, Fishing, the list goes on and on. Just the other day on PC NA there was a group of 50 DC doing a sightseeing tour inside grey host during prime time talking about the lore and specific locations inside the zone and those 50 players took up the que for those who wanted to access PvP to actually play PvP... So yah at this point it's just time to enjoy the game as much as you can and don't expect ANYTHING to ever change when it comes down to Cyrodiil or PvP for that matter.
I understand the stream is both a marketing ploy (as pulling a huge, popular streamer who used to play ESO) was intended to be a positive experience, you can't facilitate contact between devs and players without expecting criticism. Now hoping that it all stays constructive and not inflammatory is one thing, but the big problem ZOS, as many other big studios have...
Is the problem with "toxic positivity". Everything has gotta be happy and sunny, no negatives or disagreeing. I know it's not EASY or ENCOURAGING to get less than positive feedback, but from people who are giving it with a honest and helpful position, it really pushes players away to realize "Hey, they aren't listening to us, because they don't appear to want to hear a different opinion."
Lead dev has never played the game consistently in his life. There’s a difference between god tier and not knowing you can heavy attack. Also why is the lead combat designer unable to dodge roll?
This game is just a job to the devs. You can tell there is no passion or drive for making the game better. By their lack of experience actually play their own game.
😂😂 the on goin cycle. Its yalls turn to experience it. Og out peace ✌️
Good video, all of these reactions need to be spammed in the eso forums. If they do these silly updates that help out the more casual players, I wonder how it would go if they made a cyrodiil for those under the alliance rank of ~30, that way it will definitely give people enough experience to keep up with the more experienced players, and if they still cant keep up then maybe cyrodiil isn't for they and they shouldn't complain about the imbalance.
They snubbed skinnycheeks. They still continue to snub all the players
As someone who has enjoyed mmos (Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, World of Warcraft and ESO) primarily for its pvp content, I find the combat system of ESO to be truly the best. It is very disheartening to see so much damn potential not being realized.
I really agree with sypher I remember the days when you had to pretty much go full stam or full mag for damege or healing, now pretty much every other class except sorc is like 50 into health rest into mag or stam still doing 19k merciless at 40k health still heal, I mean I really hope they dont change it right now because they need guidence for sure by someone like you or someone who really knows what they are talking about.
Too bad ESO is dying. Greed and incompetence.
Remember "Ford vs Ferrari" movie? It was a moment, when pro racer took mr Ford and gave him a ride on a new sports car. Mr Ford cried and probably peed in his pants. He was so out of touch, he didn't have any clue, what it takes to be a sports racer, what is racing.
We saw just that on this livestream. Person, who os in charge of making core decisions, is clueless.
Im thinking about trying out Mara's balm with hist and troll king. What do you think!!!?
He’s right this game has the most fun combat system but it doesn’t feel like the devs play the same game we do. They change the game in such weird ways that are really frustrating. I still can’t get over the dot changes.
They should be fired for being so trash.
The pvp in this game could be soooooo good. But ya
i enjoy bg’s no matter how good or bad the lead dev is. i am still bottom quartile, so i am still learning good from bad.
I hope they listen to syphers feedback 45k healer tanks ruin the game
Historically, ZOS has never been very open to player input unless it was something that confirms their opinion. They've also never been shy about removing comments or opinions that they don't like.
It's a gigantic kick in the balls because we have been assuming all along that they understand the fundamentals of the systems WE aree using. But no...they have n damn clue at all how to play their own game. So how can they be trusted to balance it? They cannot. They need to do some self reflection and be open about this and tap the community as a resource.
I've played SypherPK and during the launch days he was just like everyone else. Idk who his promoter is but good for him.
My eyes are wide open.
So nobody is going to bring up the fact that during the stream, Wheeler got bagged like 3-4 times. Trying to promote your game to draw in more players and showcase the combat, and the main combat developer gets repeatedly smoked and bagged
The tank meta exists because Tanks have no predators anymore. I had a build that would kill tanks. It was a slow but hard hitting heavy attack build. I sacrificed survivability to specialize in bringing down the toughest opponents, but ZOS nerfed it. Removed all the heavy attacks sets from PVP. Now my build is just a squishy 22k HP Bowden that also hits like a wet noodle. This is the shit they do that causes people to quit. People who actually care about the game.
ZOS acts like there are no trade offs to competent builds. Sure, Everyone was prey to me but I was also prey to everyone. Well…Now that they nerfed me and other specialized killer builds, Tanks roam without predators.
100% agree with community and with sypher, the state of pvp is lost because the lead combat dev doesnt know how to play the game and no he doesnt have to be the best but he didnt even know to keep up his buffs and his build was for years ago... The state of pvp is bad with too big of heals and too much HP, revert back to earlier pvp days and people would return... tank meta is awful for players... its PVP you should die not sit there and tank and heal groups.
Battle spirit needs a -50% cross healing/shielding reducion.
Still some issues like Sorc being too overpowered right now, I would reduce the magicka 1000 = 100 wd/sd tooltip contribution to 1000 = 60 wd/sd tooltip contribution.
Fix bg group queue, bring back the old bg system as a custom match creation.
All problems solved :)
Okay, it's not that the guy is not so good at PVP, in fact terrible. It is the fact that he is in charge of it and demonstrated live on stream that he knows nothing about PVP. It is horrible advertising and PR. You can be a causal player. That's fine. But the man is in charge of PVP and demonstrated he couldn't even relay on his colleges to give him a "pvp" build or advise before hosting this event. He just proved all the critics right. That's the last thing you want to do when selling a product. I've been playing the game off and on since launch. I have 180hrs. And if you give me the resources, I will fix PVP. I would be willing to put my notes and ideas in writing and hand it to the devs, just so I could contribute to the continuation of a game I love. Get me in there with their coders, and we will get it done.
Sypher is right when he said the tank meta has been going on for a while. Probably since 2018 or so which is when i quit. I have come back recently and am enjoying playing since its been so long but I still find all the tanky players very frustrating. I've been in many BGs where players have 0 deaths. I actually play more PvE these days since PvP is not fun a lot of the time.
I do think part of the problem is players constantly complaining on forums about anything they dislike. If healing was nerfed i guarantee within a week or two people will be in the forums saying they die too easy and can't heal themselves effectively.
Another issue is hybridization of classes. My DPS builds now have access to massive burst heal skills that were previously useless to me. On my actual hybrid builds now I go 750k/750k in DMG/heals in BG. I would be very curious to see self heals count towards healing scores in BGs just so we can see how much heals are really going around.
Wheeler getting all frustrated dying lol
I need to see the stream and i cant find it posted anywhere how can i find the original stream to give my opinion on it
It means there is human. Well, guess what, so am I. So im asking why your lead designer is completely unable to do the basics of combat. Am i asking too much ? Look at smite. All the devs play their game and look at how successful it is for its PvP
bonk~
I always preferred bgs to cyro and ic but now they actually killed this mode for real
It's either:
1 - you get kicked because not enough players
2 - you get unbalanced 8v8
3 - you get unbalanced 4v4
4 - very rarely you can get in balanced match but then the cycle continues anyway
It's literally unplayable
Me and my friend were trying to play it recently and it's exactly how I just described
We wait for queue for eternity then we usually either get kicked or get into the most unbalanced match known to men
I really wish that they at least bring back old bgs if not fix these ones
Because those definitely were much more playable and balanced, going from 3 to 2 teams is alongside new queue system is really that much of a difference
Hey guys, any tips on how to join Cyrodil Deathball? Or just a good tip how to farm Alliance Points? Efficiently.
Remove mythic gear, make heavy or medium armor nerf magicka abilities (maybe duration), no soft caps, do hard caps for resist/hp/magicka and balance PvE and PvP separately. Add cons to having max HP over max Magicka or Stam and vice versa to bring back build identity and to make the game fun again. Everyone is a heal tank DPS, there needs to be limitations in place, a rock-paper-scissors system where you can't be best at everything.
Can't just remove stuff people has payed for and farmed for its too late and they have to build around it now. Besides its just some mythics that need nerf some are actually ballanced like moras whisper!
eso is a casual game that strives to "include" everyone. im sorry but youll need a time machine if you want eso to ever promote skill again. 95% of the 2024 player base would leave the game with any of these changes
Perhaps part of the 8 hour dev work day SHOULD involve just playing the game. 1 hour a day. Pvp is very nearly a "superhero game" where meta means your are fast, and tanky, and stealthy, and do a lot of damage all in 1 toon! In its current state pvp really is another game premise altogether, despite having some great gameplay elements.
Jessica out there dealing with the community with her expert people skills while Brian gets paid more to balance a game he doesn't know at all lol
Elder scrolls online pvp is all about having fun. You dont need to win. It's okay to lose... lose... and lose some more... eventually, you get to meet doug and then win.
I've played ESO for about 6 years. My main is a Grand Overlord, Flawless Conqueror, and I've been ranked at high positions on PvP leaderboard for quite a few times. After thousands of hours of game play, I'm really frustrated. PvP balance is a joke in this game, no kidding.
I'm a business analyst at a multinational company in real life. I've studied some leaderboard statistics, and found huge problems with class balance.. I've voiced out but no one cares.
For people enjoy PvE, ESO may still be a good game, but if you prefer PvP, I'd suggest you play something else.
He was running Xynode's "constipator" build, this says a lot...
If we put vet or even casual pvp players aside completely, the devs have to ask themselves - would non pvp players or even complete beginners to eso be enticed to play pvp after watching this shitshow? Because if to them this also looks horrible, then why even keep developing pvp in this vision they have. Might as well delete that part of the game
I actually don’t like the ESO response there. The end result of the effort has not been well received.
At the most simple level, they should have realized that 2-team would be stomp or get stomped.
The solution is simple. Involve your community in the process. Don’t just go off and totally change things without input.
It really makes me worry about what they might do to Cyrodiil at some point. You know, if they don’t ignore it for another 10 years.
Noo that's the issue actually, they listened to all the PvPers that would die to one specific ability or armor set and then would buff/nerf accordingly. The reason why build identity and just the general identity of combat has went to nothing is because the devs are catering so hard to a vocal minority, and now we have tanky heal DPS builds that can do everything, oh and they added Mythic gear to combat power creep and completely ruined the game even further.
@@subsume7904 Bro you already forgot maras ?😂 the tank meta was a counter reaction to all these new proc sets which are busted. The problem is you can be at 36-38k resist with 2 dmg sets. For example my dk used to be way of fire and the new dk set and that shit was busted asf. People would melt in like 5 seconds and don’t forget the ridiculous amount of tankyness. That’s what created tanks they are just tired of broken ass proc sets and how you can build a dd tank with abnormal dmg. Light, medium and Heavy Armor also need balancing updates. You basically run 3 heavy, 3 medium and 1 light or 4 heavy. This has no drawback either, you just lose some dmg but you run 2 dmg sets which will nullify every dmg drawback. It’s just stupid that proc sets like 4-5 k tool tip dmg over time were even created. I understand if it has a tricky proc condition to achieve but it’s just so light attack or crit.
Idk if my math is wrong here, but how does he even use 2 5p sets, a monster set plus Oakensoul? Thats 13 pieces of gear and you only have 12 slots.
simple thought: nerf tank resistance to cap out at 33k in pvp
The lead combat dev exposed himself as incompetent and uncaring, by not understanding the basic mechanics of the game. Zos: business as usual. "Perhaps he had a bad day". Toxic positivity seems very ZoS. I Imagine the game could be a lot more succesful, if it had leadership that punished failing. My first day on the job I'm firing the huggybears and office mascots
I gave ESO a try last year, came from another MMO. I really liked it but eventually quit because there is basically no competitive pvp content. It’s just ego duels, hunting for clips, or fan made events. ( A huge hassle and often a mess )
When I heard they were doing a BG update I got really excited. What a disappointment. This shit was such a massive failure and the fact they haven’t fixed BGs yet is completely pathetic and inexcusable. This game is never going to not be dogshit for pvpers and I highly encourage other pvpers to look into alternative MMOs. There are better games out there. So glad I quit and am never looking back after this. ESO pvp is doomed.
PK is the OG from ESO and moved on because he got smart and realized the trash can ESO was becoming and went where the content was for his channel/business. I guarantee they payed him to do this ain’t no way he got seen on this game again for free 🤣
They either didn’t prep ahead of time or don’t have enough hands on experience themselves to understand the game mechanics they dictate. To me it just shows a lack of passion for the game itself. And explains why the changes they make are made so haphazardly every patch. No one is this bad at a game they like or play regularly. Not expecting God tier skills from the dev but maybe that’s the issue Zenimax is missing. Why don’t they try hiring a few people as “consultants” that are already in the community to help give feedback back and ideas to the combat dev. If he’s only here to make the game not play it. How would he ever know how to make it better?
Wheeler didn't move or dodge. He needs pvp coaching at a beginner level. It might even make an interesting zos stream.
Great video man
I quit the game
Only if the dev did the cp grind we all had to, maybe he’d be better.
9:18 Did he really discovered that after 3-4(or even more) years of tank meta ?! For me it's the proof the devs never listen to players on the forums or PTS forums. Same with the heals in pvp. Idk how many ppl spoke about it during years literally...
He was gone shortly before the tank meta, dude. Keep up.
He’s not a dev
EMAN IS THE BLACK PANTHER OF ESO
I don't carae if he is the worst player to have ever played. What bugs me, is he did not know what the sets were that Sypher asked about and was annoyed about when it has been brought up hundreds of times, right or wrong.
tbh i havent been online for few days and bought wow playtime... eso is dead
ive been saying for the last few yrs that healing is way out of control. you get heals from almost everything
Sypher played this game for a year plus after release thats how i was introduced to him not fortnite lol
Unfortunately, i think it is too far gone at this point. The more they try to do, the worse it gets.
If they nuke the tank meta I'll return
I just went to check to see if Sypher had a video up on it, and I see he is getting a million views every video wtf, I didn’t know Fortnite youtubers were still getting that kind of views, he must be loaded 😂 and no he doesn’t have a recent eso video
I guessing the build is old and he hasn’t played isn’t before it was nerfed and was good
The devs need to be fired
Imagine listening to people who are good at your game lmao
The whole thing was poorly executed. They have better PVPer in house they could have used. Lots of dead air with no moderator. I'm not sure why they keep bringing Sypher back for these events. It's clear he does not play the game anymore. Not well thought out. The in house dev is Gilliantherogue.
It’s because he works with Alienware and it was a sponsored Alienware event
If they make a hp cap they will have to reduce dmg for one lol. Get hit with a 22k spec and an execute with 30k hp atm and your toast. The whole game will need a rework ain't happening they don't like to spend money 😂
bring bag that old school dog menta tank meta healer meta boaring
eso's pvp doesn't improve because of the moderators themselves who don't know how to play.
they need to stop being stubborn and balance pve and pvp separately everyone knows this