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' waiting for hoyo to make a crazy physical support that will exceed expectations WOAHHHHHH ' Not yet. it's too soon. We are still getting that tho (Snezhnaya time frame I guess)
Agreed. I was one of the players who not only pulled for her, but even got her to C1. She's grossly underestimated ans way too many people were too caught up in her design. This usually happens with units who release close to a new region. So I'm not surprised but I figured Genshin fans would learn *something* after Kuki and Baizhu.
Yeah. She doesn't deserve the hate but like What is she really useful in. Like I know she is good in burning but other than kinich, is there anyone that uses her optimally. I don't have her since I saved to pull for mulani(I seriously regret pulling for mulani. I hate her clunky playstyle). So like I want to know what other team does she have where you can use her other than kinich team?
I use her in a team with Chiori, Dehya, and Kazuha. While the individual hits aren't amazingly big, it's got a lot of numbers that add up, and a surprising amount of durability.
I still remember likely the first case of this: "Cryo Amber", aka Ganyu. Although by now she has fallen from grace, back in the days she was the first character massively exceeding expectations.
Nobody was expecting Navia to be the absolute powerhouse she was. Came out of nowhere with an amazing hat and single handedly brought Geo into a reneissance. I will never regret pulling because she was cute and ending up with an account definer.
Emilie's banner was up when i first started, and I managed to snag her a few days before it ended. Her lanterns have been carrying me pretty much this whole time.i dont know how many times her lanterns have killed bosses mid-attack because they got too close to it during their animations.
I love that people are saying "Chaska will be trash, her scaling is terrible" because Mihoyo isn't stupid enough to bring out a terrible DPS anymore, all new characters are designed with the others to come in mind. Burning isn't interesting so Émilie sucks ? No worries, Natlan is coming and suddenly burning is sexy. Kinich has issues with getting consistent and comfortable pyro application because Bennett and Xiangling can be clunky (Bennett because of the circle impact, Xiangling because it forces you to rotate counter clockwise and ER), no worries, Mavuika and pyro traveler are coming. I'll make the bet that Citlali will either be a perfect melt support for Wrio or a nice complement to Mavuika for a melt core in Chaska teams all while giving all the interruption resistance and shield support that Chaska will ever want.
@insomniawitch not really, Dehya doesn't bring much damages and you need her C2 to get the full uptime. Without it you lose the pyro application during Mualani/Kinich's damage timeframe which sucks big time. Especially with Mualani.
Dont overestimate burning, its still a very bad reaction. People were somewhat right about Emilie, since even though her own damage is great, its not that good if there are no teams she can fit in. She doesn't have that many teams even as of now. Also, Kinich and Emilie both use their own numbers and multipliers to deal great damage, they are just tied to burning, but thats all really :D The source of the problem people had with Navia too was that they focused too much on reactions, they didn't think about what if her personal numbers will be amazing. We see this with Neuvilette or Kinich too, they don't rely at all on reactions for their damage, as it comes from their multipliers. This way Hoyo can make any character work regardless of what reactions are they tied to
Emilie has been my main since she came out, I was so excited for her and I’m so glad I didn’t listen to the community when they said she would be terrible. I have her C0 R1 and she’s so freaking powerful
To this day, I'm still unbelievably proud of c6 kokomi and r5 her signature on day one of her first banner. Watching the community crap on her for having negative crit rate, the entire duration of her banner while knowing that she was unbelievably good. Then watching the community panic after her banner went away as they realised she was the best healer the game had ever seen and could even put up high dmg numbers if you built her right. So worth it.
I really regretted not pulling for Emelie's. I'm considered pulling for her at her banner because she's so fun to play. It's just that i don't really have any plans to build burning team so I skipped her. Now I regretting it and her rerun probably in a year from now😭
I remember seeing Emilie and going "Erm...." But after staring at her model for a bit longer, i can confirm that she is GORGEOUS and her design is AMAZING.
There’s something special about investing into a character before the crowd. It’s like finding an amazing band before they hit it big. AIecchino is an amazing unit with near perfect design, but everyone pullled for her. I invested into Emilie because I loved her design, and I like leaning into “unconventional” reactions. You’re correct Chev created the blueprint, and I love that I was running a Dehya/Chev overload team almost day 1.
I think Hoyo is currently trying to make every reaction in the game viable so that characters can have a use case/fans don't feel left out... I mean, who would've thought that Dehya, Candace, Xinyan could be used in a Mualani/Kinich team? Even for a while
Navia: I wasn’t even aware people didn’t like her at first only that some were worried she’s also mono geo DPS but after her kit was revealed she officially became my second geo pull and even got her weapon for her and Eula. Xianyun: healer/buffer Sucrose i mained her after getting C6 Faruzan and even C4 Jean before the new selector and was happy she’s more fun and diverse than wonderer Emilie: my new favorite Dendro and overall second favorite character after Sucrose, i loved her design and lore and was only worried she would be burning Nilou but thankfully she was as similar to Navia and even being off fielder which made her much more valuable for many pyro teams.
The only true underwhelming 5 star from Fontaine is Sigewinne. Good job Hoyo. Pretty good streak. We also got Gaming and Chevvy two very competent four star units.
If she was a 4 star no one would complain. She woukd of been a kick ass 4 star healer and Hydro. But no.. she ended up being a bad 5 star unit. I do want her but it was painful to witness the mishandling
Before Navia's release, I asked most of the Twitch steamers, "Will you pull for her?" Everyone said skip because of Geo, but I skipped Neuv and Furina for her, and she came great DPS, as I wished.
Emilie is my new favourite character. She has a nice design, off field use, has long skill uptime with short cool down, works with Are like a charm and even can work with Neuvi... I agree, they released her at the wrong time. But also, the whole design change issue was there. Not like I get it... She looks fine green, too. And her hair and glasses are cute. And I want want Navia... Butt... Probably will not get her at next rerun because I need lots of the next reruns
My feeling is that Natlan characters will not stand the test of time, they are coming very niche with local gimmicks and lack versatility and friendly use, I think Fontaine characters will last a lot longer
I pulled for Chlorinde and Chevreusse on their banner cause their designs really hit me. BUT they helped me clear the current abyss. Never doubted them.
This video doesn't even touch on the fact that Emilie is amazing as a main dps. The requirements for playing Emilie is Bennett and a 2nd Pyro (doesn't even have to be XL). With this the world is your oyster. Slot in ZL and do this 2nd half Abyss with ease. Slot in Furina as a vape sub dps for more huge numbers. Slot in Kazuha to buff XL if you use her. Or put in Venti and enjoy looking on as Emilie's Orbital Cannon nukes entire waves. If your Bennett is C6 Emilie's normal attacks get massive with all the damage boni she receives. I have her normal attacks talent at 4 right now and she hits 5 digits normals while all her kit homes in passively. She's one of my most enjoyable dps characters right now.
This. It's the 1 time I can justify benny under any circumstances. I hate his burst because of the self pyro application on the unit [so overload/melt/vape become a nightmare] but emilie dps? It's actually good
i pulled emilie with higher expectations due to tgs’ analysis of her and she still surpassed them. my melt ganyu team with xiangling and bennett went from an energy/rotation hell to a freestyle comfort team. many people underestimate her in that slot under the the assumption that “it could have been used for a ganyu buffer since she can proc melt already” while not realizing emilie’s nuances as a competent aoe sub dps and secondary pyro applier. she distributes the team’s damage which makes missing any of ganyu’s ca’s a lot less punishing, makes it more suitable for aoe scenarios where you can afford to release ganyu’s burst (from personal experience) in combination with emilie’s off field dps, and you dont even need to use xiangling’s burst every rotation to proc multiwave melt. she’s a such a comfort unit but thats also her biggest downside because genshin tc’s have a history of prioritising unreliable dps increase in teams over making them more convenient to play. emilie, furina and fischl are my most used units for that matter.
Yeah. It's hard to listen to theory crafter guides when they keep pushing "nuke" damage as the ONLY good damage. Like maulani. She's fun but not abyss worthy without cons. Yet people look at her stupid high crit shark bite and think she's the best thing ever when even my quickbloom clorinde hits those types of numbers more comfortably in smaller but rapid fire pace. Yet those same TCG's act like consistent damage dealers like clorinde are terrible because "small numbers" despite how fast they shoot UP and keep going
Navia was a char I WANTED after doing her trial, BUT I didn't since I was in save mode at the time having spent plenty of primos getting Neuvillette and Furina (I am a F2P gamer, I have to be picky). Chevreuse is another char I wanted because of her kit. I did manage to get her recently since I want her for my Snezhnaya team (I already have Xilonen for that team too). Love Xianyun! I saw her potential from the get-go, so I did pull for her and get her. She's great for traversal too. No desire to get Chlorinde though. I do need more Electro chars, but no desire for an Electro dps unit.
I've realized how awesome the burning artifact set is, after farming arlechinno's domain for her sake i did not care about burning at all until i decided to take a look and now i'm having a blast, like gearing itself is fun lol
I’ve got Emilie right after her release…. I’m in love with her character,she’s soooo amusing,powerful,strong in burning teams, I usually use her with Lyney but don’t argue here… also with keqing all together because basically I’ve builded her in the RIGHT WAY and, by herself could make even 30k damage… imagine with more reactions guys istg she’s so dope and one of my favourite mains,currently
Funnily enough, Navia was the reason that I returned to Genshin after I saw her leaked animations. I left the game around 2.2. I didn't care whatever she was good or not, her being Geo didn't matter. I started again in the middle of 4.2 and started farming primos and materials, I had the guaranteed from back then, so I get her easily from her banner, but I still keep going and got her C1 30 wishes later winning the 50/50. Her being so good was a really nice surprise, she has been carring me ever since while I slowly build other characters lol
All the characters that came out before the next patch were questioned: Kazuha, Kuki, Dehya, and Emilie. The other group of characters that the community questioned was the reaction modifiers. Nilou and Chevruse. Ironically I didn't have any of the repulsion to these characters that others did. To the contrary, I was drawn to them because unlike a lot of people, I actually do enjoy playing future impact. Nilou was the first character in the game I got the signature weapon for, even before my hutao who carried me from AR -30 to -50.
As soon as I tested Emilie, I knew she was a good unit (first dendro reaction I mained, it has a special place in my heart), but... Natlan ! ToT Now I have Kinnich (I didn't wanted him but wanted a 4* on his banner and... I got him) he is very powerful and I can't wait for her rerun !
People talk about Clorindes strong and much more diverse team variety, but the other thing she has is Artifact selection. Shes the only high tier DPS i can think of where not just her signature but also stuff like Echoes and Thundering Fury, all which play different, are super strong options. Echoes in particular with her, seen it held some very very good speedrun results with her (usually in Aggravate, surprisingly!, one im thinking of only a few singular seconds away from the best dolphin Arlechinno results, and ahead of many other Arls)
I see that Chevreuse with a vortex vanquisher I'll always stand by Clorinde and how good she is and its not just cope because I lost to Absolution when I was pulling for Lofi
I get why the doom posting for Navia was a thing, but as soon as Navia and Chevreuse came out, it was clear that whoever was in charge of character design in Fontaine knew what they were doing. Not only was most of it hits, even flop characters like Freminet were at least mechanically interesting (and I still have fun playing him) It was the Xianyun doom posting that really got to me, tho. Like personally I think she's nearly as valuable as Furina to an account. She's just so good
I am so happy that Chev is as good as she is. Easily one of my fav characters, and I only have her at c1, so I am so hoping to get more cons for her and ideally eventually get c6. Praying she isn't a Raiden exclusive as I am not a huge Raiden fan sadly
Chiori should have made the list as well, her situation is basically the same as Emile and you can see from abyss usage rate thats those who have her do play her.
Clorinde felt really weak in the trial. It's odd that they have the characters at 80 and weak teams in the trial. You would think they would show them off at the strongest. I regret not pulling her.
I was so excited for Emilie based on her design. Then I saw her kit and how fun it looked to burn everything. Thankfully I managed to get her and her weapon without losing the 50/50 and 33/33/33. She is my new main and carries me through practically everything now.
Let's talk geo for a second when navia was released everyone was well aware of the power of noelle furina team and it looked like geo finally got a meta team so when navia looked like she isn't gonna be a battery or mainly an off field DPS people and not gonna want to be in mono geo people were understandingly concerned about her place in the meta but when we got our hands on her she worked fine with noelle furina team and even managed to be the center of own team which mainly has to do with her skill having two charges which is a C2 quality without it the extra shot on her skill she will be bad at dealing with tanky enemies or multi wave i believe a this was a last minute change that saved her as a character
Emilie is amazing. C1Emilie+C3Deyha+C6Furina core is so strong that no Natland characters are needed. I think I'll get Emilie's weapon next re-run because I don't see myself dropping her from that team ever. I got Chevreuse C3 but Xilonen C0R1 is flat out better. I also find Chevreuse a lot more clunky to play because of the aimed shot to get the buff.And you have to remember doing the burst first to trigger overload to get a bullet. Xianyun plunge playstyle doesn't appeal to me at all.
@@nobody-xh6ii C6 Furina needs no healer, as doing a few normal attacks in Ousia mode after her skill will heal the entire party for 18 seconds . Pretty much anyone works in 4th slot (including Amber), give or take a few seconds in clear times. Furina C6 in Pneuma mode is very clunky and I don't recommended it. I have the Deepwood set +R5Deathmatch on Emilie because better substats,2467atk, 88/184crit,148ER.
Juice is the only youtuber (as far as I know) who claims that Clorinde is the best electro dps. Everyone else claims that she needs dendro at c0 to shine. I can't agree or disagree since i pulled her c2 before even playing her. 😅 Navia is a broken dps. She really hits like a truck. There's nothing more to say. Chevreuse helps Raiden and Arlecchino to do so much damage it's almost a crime. Emilie is excellent 👌 Kinich and Arlecchino love her. 😊
@germandiaz2838 no need to be rude. I have Raiden c3, Clorinde c2, and Yae C2. When my Raiden was C2, I made a lot of tests in the spiral abyssal I can loudly say that Clorinde c2 is not better than Raiden C2. And Yae C2 hits like a truck
Chevreuse is fantastic! She made my Raiden Shogun a beast again, that team is so fun. I am definitely interested in new units with different mechanics. Can't wait to see what else Natlan has in store!
I hope they include Emilie a bit more into the Lore. A Crossover between her and Heizou would be cool, both seem a bit left behind, lorewise. I am really looking forward for her rerun.
I love Emilie so much, so glad I got her and her signature. She's just so pretty and also really simple to use well. Love playing her onfield with c6 Benny. Also Xianyun has enabled more functional silliness than any other character.
This imaginarium theater made me realize the new burning mechanic is going to be something needed I can't complete this one really thought the geo one was gonna get me lol. Cloud Retainer is my skip that haunts me I've always loved Diluc but he was obviously unable to carry me anymore I really want his plunge team. Who'd of thought overload was gonna be good it's now one of my top teams. I also thought Navia would be awesome really thinking of getting my first geo team especially with Xilonen. Sad part going to have to abandon old characters and builds to have these but they weren't keeping up either with damage so old teams gotta go
My fav underrated units remains Kuki, when Dendro was yet to come. Even lazy ones like Albedo, Emilie, Dehya perform well when packed. Dehya being the one I have the most expectations in, and already standing pretty well on 12th floor.
I pulled for Emilie, but didn't even pull for kinich... don't really regret getting her for wrio burn melt, and now I have more of a reason to get kinich
emilie was never expected to be bad, tcs said she was a good character since the very beginning and even more after she received massive buffs on beta, they just thought she was boring (xiangling 2.0) and the general audience thought she was ugly this goes for navia as well, tcs were very quick to say she was good (because she is) even tho her v1 had a few qol problems
I pulled for Emilie when I read she was great for burning. And got her. Come now. We were headed for Natlan and a burner team is an easy decision. Also, Navia was also a no-brainer. Xianyun I will pull for later when she reruns. Didn't have enough Freemogems for her when she came on. Sad.
For emilie's case, it wasn't that people underestimated her damage dealing capabilities, but the negative reception was more caused around her gameplay/characterization/character design controversy. - People weren't happy that throughout fontaine, mention of emilie was basically non-existent e.g. she did not play a part in any significant story beat in genshin and she kinda just pop up out of nowhere. - And a lot of people commented how her official/final design looks "worse" than her 'beta'/'WIP' designs. That she looked like a relatively generic looking character whereas the beta looked really unique. - A lot of people also commented that her gameplay is really "boring" where you literally just press E and/or Q, that it has very little skill expression, and it's not unique and a bit underwhelming. These negative perceptions might've caused people to think that she's a "bad character" which was then associated to her character as a whole which include her damage dealing capabilities.
I got c1 emilie by mistake and ever since i swapped out xiangling for emilie in my arlechinno team, i have never regretted it, to where i cant play without her in arlechinno teams, cus without her it feels like the team doesnt do that much damage, like with her on the team i have faster clear times than my vape arlechinno and it was really disappointing that content creators didnt promote her crazy constellations, like at c1, her a4 passive procs up to 7 times per skill, and at this point i think its safe to say that emilie is the strongest sub dps in terms of just raw damage
I genuinely love when my expectations are superceded and prove my assumptions wrong...unfortunately that's not common ;) Really though I wish I were more pleasantly surprised than underwhelmed and I try to not be as critique-minded as often as I am tempted, I get disappointed when opportunities and potential isn't reached and that's often to the detriment of my lofty expectations I suppose In terms of Genshin it certainly is surprising to see some units deliver - Navia and Gaming are huge ones for me that I've only come to adore and enjoy far more than I even initially did (I never underestimated Clorinde, my Napoleonic Queen delivered to expectations~) - great point that timing of release can truly make or break it for some characters, fairly or not Xianyun's design floored me and her capabilities only make her such a pleasant benefit - I was against her due to how annoying I found Cloud Retainer as a bird xD I've overcome my bias against her personality ahah. I personally wish I felt the same regarding Emilie, I think her potential and usefulness is far more surprising given her community reception...mechanics aside, her design still leaves me wanting and disappointed (I actually adore her pose, gorgeous legs/heels, dance steps/animations, and gracefulness, I think at this point its more about her eyes, glasses, and hair choices, shallow as it sounds, to me that and some of her dress elements are not cohesive or as beautiful in my eyes as I had hoped) so its such a shame but glad that a video like this can show how she and others shine!
still disappointed that Sigewinne did not have a kit that grants her teammates bond of life mechanic to make other characters uses the Harmonic Whimsey set
Me when I saw Chevy kit I instantly knew she'll be good with my raiden. And now. With arlecchino. She's blessing I tried to pull Emilie cuz she look cute but broke me. Didn't reach pity
The first time to 36 star the abyss yesterday. C1r1 arle, c0r1 emilie, c0r0 dehya, c2r1 baizhu. C2r1 clorinde, c3r1 nahida [deepwoods a b*tch so i cant get past 680 EM], c1r1 furina [half built], c0r1 xilonen. 1st tea. Did amazing for mobs. 2nd team fantastic against the bosses. If it wasnt for emilie being a powerhouse dendro sub dps my arle team couldnt clear fast enough. I've never beenable to clear the abyss due to artifact issues mainly. If emilie gets a rerun i may try to snag a con if shes not with someone else in the lineup i'm aiming for
At the time I was still a newer player that didn't have a non-standard 5* character, I pulled for Ayaka instead of Navia because I thought she was the stronger character... safe to say I underestimated Navia.💀
Im gonna say Wriothesley. I feel like it was a bit of Cryo syndrome and a bit of "Oh no I'm about to be released after arguably the strongest character in the game!" While he isn't Nuevi tier he's atleas A tier. He's able to utilize melt and burnmelt really well, the first Cryo character to consistently and effectively do so. Not to mention he's not too terrible in shatter.
Got clorinde and than took a break from genshin. Came back now bc of natlan and finished building her, I got nahida too recently so I’m finally trying dendro teams from my usual hydro and geo teams.
Love the vids but I just have to point out how funny "Cloriander" is to me lol just adding so many extra letters to her name, makes her sound like a spice haha
i barely use xianyun for her plunge enabling mechanic. in the abyss, i just use her as furina's partner. and in the openworld, i dont think i can play genshin without her. i'd say c1 xianyun is required for every account. i was gonna get scarmuch since he has flight mechanics, good thing i hold off.
Speaking from someone who follows character kits, i gotta dissagree with clorinde, her healing in the beta seemed way higher, and up untill the last week of it, the skill had much higher uptime, with what it looked to be really good numbers. generally she looked like an insane unit, I pulled for her in a heartbeat and now i regret. She isnt bad, by any means she isnt that special, and definitely less fun that she looked to be
Emilie was never bad just poorly timed. She was more of a Kazuha situation in the sense players didnt realiz her value. Hoyo probably wont rerun her anytime soon as well, she was fesigned for Natlan, with her awful timing and burning focused kit she seemed lackluster. her dmg is still amazing
I think Chiori also deserves mention if we are going to mention Emilie. Chiori has gotten a lot better over time with the additions of Kachina for C0 Chiori havers and Navia/Xilonen for C1+ Chiori havers. Her usage rates have also been consistently high.
I feel like Emilie and Lisa should have their names switched. Because Emilie, aside from looking like Lumine and Kaveh, kinda looks like anime Lisa Simpson.
I had to skip Emilie as I didn't have enough primos. And I lost 50/50 on her banner too. I knew I have to wait until her rerun, because I knew I wanted the new natlan characters and I couldn't get enough primos in time to get her.
For emilie I expected her to be as good as she is when she released *(Same With Chevreuse And Navia)* its just people doomposted her to oblivion over the overall design choice mostly then burning centric kit she has which for the whole burning thing I can't really blame them I'd expect a support for an unexplored reaction before a sub DPS but at least she's good For clorinde from her release I've seen people overrate her a little too much I've looked into some videos exploring her kit and DMG output compared to others but they aren't all fair comparisons then the whole clorinde abyss speedrun thing I saw which isn't a good metric of discussion if you look at every player that plays genshin I do think clorinde is decent for a DPS but aside from the obvious downsides she has she can look better or worse than other characters depending on the type of player you are so its important to enjoy her playstyle of course but to say exceed expectations for me personally I just don't see it and I like clorinde too and like that the chevreuse team is clean and fun but I still wished her kit was more free in the use of her skill *(Like Arlecchino)* instead of it having more downtime than uptime if you don't use the thundering fury set on her but hey there's that ok Qiqi team with clorinde that was interesting to me so there's that but other than that clorinde never particularly stuck out to me despite me also liking her
Quickbloon, overload and aggravate are amazing clorinde teams. She doesn't do a singular instance of nuke like navia and maulani but she's more comfortable than most units for that very reason. I'd say she was hated for NOT being a nuker vs a consistent damage dealer [which can be bad in of itself because nukes rely on crits too much⁰
@@nobody-xh6ii I know and agree as I'm sure for others that downplayed her for sure it must've been a preference to like nuke characters But from the time of clorinde's release I've seen people focus her uptime problem or that she wants a shield and one other thing I forgot the *ping dependency* which can be a problem for many characters not just clorinde so its not really just the Consistency Vs Nuke dilemma because I saw it brought up a lot in discussions I do think some people don't appreciate her DMG profile because of these reasons too
Geo wasnt bad. It just took a lot of love to make it work. Bcause my team of C6 Solar pearl Ninnguang, C6 Stonthresher Noel, cinibar spindle Albedo and Zhong Li can still 36 star the abyss.
@magiclover9346 riiight!!! Mine defense is pretty high, so his skill is averaging 29K per hit, 30K on crit. Sometimes I swap him out for Gorou. People just aren't satisfied unless they're getting big reaction numbers. And I get it, because the game is all about reactions. But that's just not what geo does. You don't need reactions when you can punch holes in stuff. And now that I have Navia and Xilonen. The punching isn't going to stop any time soon. What I really want is my Gorou to get up to C4 so he can heal. But he's always paired with Itto. Who I don't want. So unless I get lucky on the standard banner. I don't see that happening anytime soon.😅
@@sigma20xx yup there's a difference between a speed run and a clearance. Many forget this. Once you get to how fast can my clear get. The answer normally is how deep are your pockets. I love Itto play him whenever I can. Also like to point out 4 star options are garbage if you're willing to put the work in.
Navia wasn't just going against geo, she is also a claymore user 😅 Don't get me wrong I love claymores but most units untill that point were not as good as other weapons
All released during Fontaine's patch cycle, i dont understand why would someone underestimate them honestly. Sumeru had it's up and downs from what i see(it got better now for gals like Dehya or Candace) but every Fontaine character was great actually?(yes, even Sigewinne) Now if someone from Monstadt to Inazuma suddenly made it to the front THAT would be amazing.
People having doubts before or even after release is mostly justified. Cyno didn't have his best team until more than a version later when Furina came out and had to wait for Nahida and Baizhu, but even Emilie didn't have very good teams simply because Dendro and Pyro aren't a good combination. Even now she can fit Kinich teams solely because they both rely on burning. As for Sigewinne, well, there is no redemption. Anyone can pull for her if they really want to, but Kokomi can already fill her role the same and offer more. The future doesn't look bright for Chiori either, while Wrio is also on the more mediocre side, and his release was a version ago with no rerun, which is absolute insanity :DD So overall, they can still easily mess up new characters
@@nobody-xh6ii Burnvape Mualani has some annoying issues with consistency, and the rest are mostly off-meta teams (Ganyu or Wrio aren't even top tier DPS characters to begin with, also, Aloy, really?). For Arle, you have better options, even though you can slap Emilie on her teams. Her only real "synergy" is still with Kinich, but thats because they both need burning for their kits to work. Dendro and Pyro just aren't a great combination factually speaking, both burning and burgeon are below decent reactions, and most characters don't want them. And for a 5 star limited sub-dps unit, I think its fine to expect better usage than the above mentioned. Actually, if she was just a Pyro unit with no limitation to burning, she would be an objectively better Xiangling, which would have been amazing
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One day mika 2.0 would do it (my poor boy is more dried than juices taste for raidien)
' waiting for hoyo to make a crazy physical support that will exceed expectations WOAHHHHHH '
Not yet.
it's too soon.
We are still getting that tho (Snezhnaya time frame I guess)
@@get-in-2-get-out774 physical Capitano will be top tier 🤣🤣
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@comteqfr525 place your bets early !
The Emilie hate wasn't deserved tbh! She is very useful
Agreed. I was one of the players who not only pulled for her, but even got her to C1. She's grossly underestimated ans way too many people were too caught up in her design.
This usually happens with units who release close to a new region. So I'm not surprised but I figured Genshin fans would learn *something* after Kuki and Baizhu.
Yeah. She doesn't deserve the hate but like What is she really useful in. Like I know she is good in burning but other than kinich, is there anyone that uses her optimally. I don't have her since I saved to pull for mulani(I seriously regret pulling for mulani. I hate her clunky playstyle). So like I want to know what other team does she have where you can use her other than kinich team?
@@kpvrahul2689Literally that’s it 😂 She’s for Kinich. No other team in the game wants a hard focus on Burning
@@kpvrahul2689 well u vcan try an interesting diluc burgeon
@@InmateOmighty
She just needs another pyro character that can help her trigger the stacks. The other 2 slots can be anyone.
Emilie is my new favorite character
Same she so good
I use her in a team with Chiori, Dehya, and Kazuha. While the individual hits aren't amazingly big, it's got a lot of numbers that add up, and a surprising amount of durability.
Ive been using her more than Nahida recently, funnily enough.
Cope
She’s my second favorite after Sucrose who carried my account 👌🏼
I still remember likely the first case of this: "Cryo Amber", aka Ganyu. Although by now she has fallen from grace, back in the days she was the first character massively exceeding expectations.
And Kuki when dendro isn't avalaible yet 😂
Oh my god hearing the "Cryo amber" allegations are making me old
Nobody was expecting Navia to be the absolute powerhouse she was. Came out of nowhere with an amazing hat and single handedly brought Geo into a reneissance. I will never regret pulling because she was cute and ending up with an account definer.
I got her on low pity and i think i was blessed. I main her now
Plus Fachina is a good partner for her, lots of crystals.
One word - Gunbrella. 😅 Beautiful character design, and the voice actor does a fantastic job
ATTACK!!! 😂
I returned around her rerun Lost 50/50 i got emilie out of it but i really want her to return
nobody seems to remember that kazuha was seen as a meh character upon release! DEFINETLY is the unit that exceeded expectations the most
u mean 5* sucrose? >:D
Emilie's banner was up when i first started, and I managed to snag her a few days before it ended. Her lanterns have been carrying me pretty much this whole time.i dont know how many times her lanterns have killed bosses mid-attack because they got too close to it during their animations.
“Chevreuse Syndrome” I LOVE HOW CREATIVE YOU ARE WITH THE WORDING 😭
I love that people are saying "Chaska will be trash, her scaling is terrible" because Mihoyo isn't stupid enough to bring out a terrible DPS anymore, all new characters are designed with the others to come in mind.
Burning isn't interesting so Émilie sucks ? No worries, Natlan is coming and suddenly burning is sexy.
Kinich has issues with getting consistent and comfortable pyro application because Bennett and Xiangling can be clunky (Bennett because of the circle impact, Xiangling because it forces you to rotate counter clockwise and ER), no worries, Mavuika and pyro traveler are coming.
I'll make the bet that Citlali will either be a perfect melt support for Wrio or a nice complement to Mavuika for a melt core in Chaska teams all while giving all the interruption resistance and shield support that Chaska will ever want.
also deyha can activate the burn quite comfortably with her skill and has a perfect set in tenacity to buff the damage!
@insomniawitch not really, Dehya doesn't bring much damages and you need her C2 to get the full uptime.
Without it you lose the pyro application during Mualani/Kinich's damage timeframe which sucks big time. Especially with Mualani.
@@comteqfr525Mualani needs Dehya at C2 but Kinich just needs Dehya with Sac Greatsword and she's already a great off-field pyro applicator for him.
Dont overestimate burning, its still a very bad reaction. People were somewhat right about Emilie, since even though her own damage is great, its not that good if there are no teams she can fit in. She doesn't have that many teams even as of now. Also, Kinich and Emilie both use their own numbers and multipliers to deal great damage, they are just tied to burning, but thats all really :D
The source of the problem people had with Navia too was that they focused too much on reactions, they didn't think about what if her personal numbers will be amazing. We see this with Neuvilette or Kinich too, they don't rely at all on reactions for their damage, as it comes from their multipliers. This way Hoyo can make any character work regardless of what reactions are they tied to
She will be terrible, that’s guaranteed
Emilie is such a comfortable character to use + She hits like a truck in Burning Teams
ah yes my favorite Champion Duelist Coriander
Yummy coriander ~
Many called Emilie mid.
I called them a fool.
Now Emilie is is happy in my Arleccino, Kinich and Mualani teams just as I predicted with Dehya
Emilie has been my main since she came out, I was so excited for her and I’m so glad I didn’t listen to the community when they said she would be terrible. I have her C0 R1 and she’s so freaking powerful
She is. She's a big reason why my arle team could help me clear the abyss.
To this day, I'm still unbelievably proud of c6 kokomi and r5 her signature on day one of her first banner. Watching the community crap on her for having negative crit rate, the entire duration of her banner while knowing that she was unbelievably good. Then watching the community panic after her banner went away as they realised she was the best healer the game had ever seen and could even put up high dmg numbers if you built her right. So worth it.
I pulled Kokomi exactly because everyone doomposted her. One of my favourite units till this day.
No regrets pulling for Xianyun or Emilie. I've been using them a lot.
I've got Chevreuse that I've gotta build eventually.
I really regretted not pulling for Emelie's. I'm considered pulling for her at her banner because she's so fun to play. It's just that i don't really have any plans to build burning team so I skipped her. Now I regretting it and her rerun probably in a year from now😭
I remember seeing Emilie and going "Erm...." But after staring at her model for a bit longer, i can confirm that she is GORGEOUS and her design is AMAZING.
There’s something special about investing into a character before the crowd. It’s like finding an amazing band before they hit it big. AIecchino is an amazing unit with near perfect design, but everyone pullled for her. I invested into Emilie because I loved her design, and I like leaning into “unconventional” reactions. You’re correct Chev created the blueprint, and I love that I was running a Dehya/Chev overload team almost day 1.
I think Hoyo is currently trying to make every reaction in the game viable so that characters can have a use case/fans don't feel left out... I mean, who would've thought that Dehya, Candace, Xinyan could be used in a Mualani/Kinich team? Even for a while
Navia: I wasn’t even aware people didn’t like her at first only that some were worried she’s also mono geo DPS but after her kit was revealed she officially became my second geo pull and even got her weapon for her and Eula.
Xianyun: healer/buffer Sucrose i mained her after getting C6 Faruzan and even C4 Jean before the new selector and was happy she’s more fun and diverse than wonderer
Emilie: my new favorite Dendro and overall second favorite character after Sucrose, i loved her design and lore and was only worried she would be burning Nilou but thankfully she was as similar to Navia and even being off fielder which made her much more valuable for many pyro teams.
The only true underwhelming 5 star from Fontaine is Sigewinne. Good job Hoyo. Pretty good streak. We also got Gaming and Chevvy two very competent four star units.
But she was one I wanted the most so no, not good job at all.
If she was a 4 star no one would complain. She woukd of been a kick ass 4 star healer and Hydro. But no.. she ended up being a bad 5 star unit.
I do want her but it was painful to witness the mishandling
Getting great results with a unit most ppl call mid is lowkey the funniest, Emilie gang always on top! 🗣🔥
I've had so much fun with Emilie! I have Nahida but I use Emilie more than her now. And I went out of my way to get Xilonen! She's so awesome!
Before Navia's release, I asked most of the Twitch steamers, "Will you pull for her?" Everyone said skip because of Geo, but I skipped Neuv and Furina for her, and she came great DPS, as I wished.
Emilie is my new favourite character. She has a nice design, off field use, has long skill uptime with short cool down, works with Are like a charm and even can work with Neuvi...
I agree, they released her at the wrong time. But also, the whole design change issue was there. Not like I get it... She looks fine green, too. And her hair and glasses are cute.
And I want want Navia... Butt... Probably will not get her at next rerun because I need lots of the next reruns
My feeling is that Natlan characters will not stand the test of time, they are coming very niche with local gimmicks and lack versatility and friendly use, I think Fontaine characters will last a lot longer
yeah the "regional" gimmick feels kinda restricted i think
I pulled for Chlorinde and Chevreusse on their banner cause their designs really hit me. BUT they helped me clear the current abyss. Never doubted them.
This video doesn't even touch on the fact that Emilie is amazing as a main dps. The requirements for playing Emilie is Bennett and a 2nd Pyro (doesn't even have to be XL). With this the world is your oyster. Slot in ZL and do this 2nd half Abyss with ease. Slot in Furina as a vape sub dps for more huge numbers. Slot in Kazuha to buff XL if you use her. Or put in Venti and enjoy looking on as Emilie's Orbital Cannon nukes entire waves.
If your Bennett is C6 Emilie's normal attacks get massive with all the damage boni she receives. I have her normal attacks talent at 4 right now and she hits 5 digits normals while all her kit homes in passively. She's one of my most enjoyable dps characters right now.
This. It's the 1 time I can justify benny under any circumstances. I hate his burst because of the self pyro application on the unit [so overload/melt/vape become a nightmare] but emilie dps? It's actually good
00:52 Wtb Noelle The geo Sovereign.
i pulled emilie with higher expectations due to tgs’ analysis of her and she still surpassed them. my melt ganyu team with xiangling and bennett went from an energy/rotation hell to a freestyle comfort team. many people underestimate her in that slot under the the assumption that “it could have been used for a ganyu buffer since she can proc melt already” while not realizing emilie’s nuances as a competent aoe sub dps and secondary pyro applier. she distributes the team’s damage which makes missing any of ganyu’s ca’s a lot less punishing, makes it more suitable for aoe scenarios where you can afford to release ganyu’s burst (from personal experience) in combination with emilie’s off field dps, and you dont even need to use xiangling’s burst every rotation to proc multiwave melt. she’s a such a comfort unit but thats also her biggest downside because genshin tc’s have a history of prioritising unreliable dps increase in teams over making them more convenient to play. emilie, furina and fischl are my most used units for that matter.
Yeah. It's hard to listen to theory crafter guides when they keep pushing "nuke" damage as the ONLY good damage. Like maulani. She's fun but not abyss worthy without cons. Yet people look at her stupid high crit shark bite and think she's the best thing ever when even my quickbloom clorinde hits those types of numbers more comfortably in smaller but rapid fire pace. Yet those same TCG's act like consistent damage dealers like clorinde are terrible because "small numbers" despite how fast they shoot UP and keep going
Navia was a char I WANTED after doing her trial, BUT I didn't since I was in save mode at the time having spent plenty of primos getting Neuvillette and Furina (I am a F2P gamer, I have to be picky). Chevreuse is another char I wanted because of her kit. I did manage to get her recently since I want her for my Snezhnaya team (I already have Xilonen for that team too).
Love Xianyun! I saw her potential from the get-go, so I did pull for her and get her. She's great for traversal too. No desire to get Chlorinde though. I do need more Electro chars, but no desire for an Electro dps unit.
I've realized how awesome the burning artifact set is, after farming arlechinno's domain for her sake i did not care about burning at all until i decided to take a look and now i'm having a blast, like gearing itself is fun lol
I’ve got Emilie right after her release…. I’m in love with her character,she’s soooo amusing,powerful,strong in burning teams, I usually use her with Lyney but don’t argue here… also with keqing all together because basically I’ve builded her in the RIGHT WAY and, by herself could make even 30k damage… imagine with more reactions guys istg she’s so dope and one of my favourite mains,currently
if we're counting in all history kazuha is like top of this list. so many regretful kazuha skippers back then
Funnily enough, Navia was the reason that I returned to Genshin after I saw her leaked animations. I left the game around 2.2.
I didn't care whatever she was good or not, her being Geo didn't matter. I started again in the middle of 4.2 and started farming primos and materials, I had the guaranteed from back then, so I get her easily from her banner, but I still keep going and got her C1 30 wishes later winning the 50/50.
Her being so good was a really nice surprise, she has been carring me ever since while I slowly build other characters lol
I didn't know that Emile was good I just didn't know I had high pity.
If hoyo can make supports like Xianyun or Emilie, then im sure they can make a physical support that isnt as mediocore as Mika right?
All the characters that came out before the next patch were questioned: Kazuha, Kuki, Dehya, and Emilie. The other group of characters that the community questioned was the reaction modifiers. Nilou and Chevruse. Ironically I didn't have any of the repulsion to these characters that others did. To the contrary, I was drawn to them because unlike a lot of people, I actually do enjoy playing future impact. Nilou was the first character in the game I got the signature weapon for, even before my hutao who carried me from AR -30 to -50.
As soon as I tested Emilie, I knew she was a good unit (first dendro reaction I mained, it has a special place in my heart), but... Natlan ! ToT Now I have Kinnich (I didn't wanted him but wanted a 4* on his banner and... I got him) he is very powerful and I can't wait for her rerun !
People talk about Clorindes strong and much more diverse team variety, but the other thing she has is Artifact selection. Shes the only high tier DPS i can think of where not just her signature but also stuff like Echoes and Thundering Fury, all which play different, are super strong options.
Echoes in particular with her, seen it held some very very good speedrun results with her (usually in Aggravate, surprisingly!, one im thinking of only a few singular seconds away from the best dolphin Arlechinno results, and ahead of many other Arls)
I see that Chevreuse with a vortex vanquisher
I'll always stand by Clorinde and how good she is and its not just cope because I lost to Absolution when I was pulling for Lofi
Emilie has been in my everyday team ever since I got her, I greatly appreciate not burning in the grass of the overworld
I get why the doom posting for Navia was a thing, but as soon as Navia and Chevreuse came out, it was clear that whoever was in charge of character design in Fontaine knew what they were doing. Not only was most of it hits, even flop characters like Freminet were at least mechanically interesting (and I still have fun playing him)
It was the Xianyun doom posting that really got to me, tho. Like personally I think she's nearly as valuable as Furina to an account. She's just so good
I am so happy that Chev is as good as she is. Easily one of my fav characters, and I only have her at c1, so I am so hoping to get more cons for her and ideally eventually get c6. Praying she isn't a Raiden exclusive as I am not a huge Raiden fan sadly
Chiori should have made the list as well, her situation is basically the same as Emile and you can see from abyss usage rate thats those who have her do play her.
Clorinde felt really weak in the trial. It's odd that they have the characters at 80 and weak teams in the trial. You would think they would show them off at the strongest. I regret not pulling her.
I was so excited for Emilie based on her design. Then I saw her kit and how fun it looked to burn everything. Thankfully I managed to get her and her weapon without losing the 50/50 and 33/33/33. She is my new main and carries me through practically everything now.
Let's talk geo for a second when navia was released everyone was well aware of the power of noelle furina team and it looked like geo finally got a meta team so when navia looked like she isn't gonna be a battery or mainly an off field DPS people and not gonna want to be in mono geo people were understandingly concerned about her place in the meta but when we got our hands on her she worked fine with noelle furina team and even managed to be the center of own team which mainly has to do with her skill having two charges which is a C2 quality without it the extra shot on her skill she will be bad at dealing with tanky enemies or multi wave i believe a this was a last minute change that saved her as a character
Emilie is amazing. C1Emilie+C3Deyha+C6Furina core is so strong that no Natland characters are needed. I think I'll get Emilie's weapon next re-run because I don't see myself dropping her from that team ever.
I got Chevreuse C3 but Xilonen C0R1 is flat out better. I also find Chevreuse a lot more clunky to play because of the aimed shot to get the buff.And you have to remember doing the burst first to trigger overload to get a bullet.
Xianyun plunge playstyle doesn't appeal to me at all.
If you get baizhu, he will buff emilie's damage. And he'll be a top healer for the team
@@nobody-xh6ii C6 Furina needs no healer, as doing a few normal attacks in Ousia mode after her skill will heal the entire party for 18 seconds . Pretty much anyone works in 4th slot (including Amber), give or take a few seconds in clear times. Furina C6 in Pneuma mode is very clunky and I don't recommended it. I have the Deepwood set +R5Deathmatch on Emilie because better substats,2467atk, 88/184crit,148ER.
Juice is the only youtuber (as far as I know) who claims that Clorinde is the best electro dps. Everyone else claims that she needs dendro at c0 to shine. I can't agree or disagree since i pulled her c2 before even playing her. 😅
Navia is a broken dps. She really hits like a truck. There's nothing more to say. Chevreuse helps Raiden and Arlecchino to do so much damage it's almost a crime.
Emilie is excellent 👌 Kinich and Arlecchino love her. 😊
Tbh I think only Raiden simps argue the fact that Clorinde’s DPS is not the best electro DPS(at same level investment) xD
@germandiaz2838 no need to be rude. I have Raiden c3, Clorinde c2, and Yae C2. When my Raiden was C2, I made a lot of tests in the spiral abyssal I can loudly say that Clorinde c2 is not better than Raiden C2. And Yae C2 hits like a truck
Chevreuse is fantastic! She made my Raiden Shogun a beast again, that team is so fun. I am definitely interested in new units with different mechanics. Can't wait to see what else Natlan has in store!
I hope they include Emilie a bit more into the Lore. A Crossover between her and Heizou would be cool, both seem a bit left behind, lorewise. I am really looking forward for her rerun.
I love Emilie so much, so glad I got her and her signature.
She's just so pretty and also really simple to use well. Love playing her onfield with c6 Benny.
Also Xianyun has enabled more functional silliness than any other character.
This imaginarium theater made me realize the new burning mechanic is going to be something needed I can't complete this one really thought the geo one was gonna get me lol. Cloud Retainer is my skip that haunts me I've always loved Diluc but he was obviously unable to carry me anymore I really want his plunge team. Who'd of thought overload was gonna be good it's now one of my top teams. I also thought Navia would be awesome really thinking of getting my first geo team especially with Xilonen. Sad part going to have to abandon old characters and builds to have these but they weren't keeping up either with damage so old teams gotta go
My fav underrated units remains Kuki, when Dendro was yet to come. Even lazy ones like Albedo, Emilie, Dehya perform well when packed. Dehya being the one I have the most expectations in, and already standing pretty well on 12th floor.
I guess Kinich is Hoyo's way to answer the grappling hook from WuWa.
and Xilonen for WuWa’s wall running.
I would rather play a game with good minimum system requirements and has almost no lag than a game with unwanted wall running
Too bad wuwa is boring to play outside of combat with no characters having anything unique going for them.
@@nobody-xh6ii Shorekeeper can super dash, better than Ayaka and Mona. And the game is still young. Give a bit more time.
Emilie is soooo good and nobody talks about her! I love running a burning team now.
You always exceed my expectations juice
I pulled for Emilie, but didn't even pull for kinich... don't really regret getting her for wrio burn melt, and now I have more of a reason to get kinich
Such a shame that I couldn't get Emilie on her banner back in 4.8 cause of Mona, oh well, next time
emilie was never expected to be bad, tcs said she was a good character since the very beginning and even more after she received massive buffs on beta, they just thought she was boring (xiangling 2.0) and the general audience thought she was ugly
this goes for navia as well, tcs were very quick to say she was good (because she is) even tho her v1 had a few qol problems
I pulled for Emilie when I read she was great for burning. And got her. Come now. We were headed for Natlan and a burner team is an easy decision. Also, Navia was also a no-brainer. Xianyun I will pull for later when she reruns. Didn't have enough Freemogems for her when she came on. Sad.
The 5 star Sucrose before 2.0.
As an Emilie main I very much appreciate this video
For emilie's case, it wasn't that people underestimated her damage dealing capabilities, but the negative reception was more caused around her gameplay/characterization/character design controversy.
- People weren't happy that throughout fontaine, mention of emilie was basically non-existent e.g. she did not play a part in any significant story beat in genshin and she kinda just pop up out of nowhere.
- And a lot of people commented how her official/final design looks "worse" than her 'beta'/'WIP' designs. That she looked like a relatively generic looking character whereas the beta looked really unique.
- A lot of people also commented that her gameplay is really "boring" where you literally just press E and/or Q, that it has very little skill expression, and it's not unique and a bit underwhelming.
These negative perceptions might've caused people to think that she's a "bad character" which was then associated to her character as a whole which include her damage dealing capabilities.
I pull for looks, meta doesn't matter. It just so happens all the meta characters look fire...
I got c1 emilie by mistake and ever since i swapped out xiangling for emilie in my arlechinno team, i have never regretted it, to where i cant play without her in arlechinno teams, cus without her it feels like the team doesnt do that much damage, like with her on the team i have faster clear times than my vape arlechinno and it was really disappointing that content creators didnt promote her crazy constellations, like at c1, her a4 passive procs up to 7 times per skill, and at this point i think its safe to say that emilie is the strongest sub dps in terms of just raw damage
I genuinely love when my expectations are superceded and prove my assumptions wrong...unfortunately that's not common ;)
Really though I wish I were more pleasantly surprised than underwhelmed and I try to not be as critique-minded as often as I am tempted, I get disappointed when opportunities and potential isn't reached and that's often to the detriment of my lofty expectations I suppose
In terms of Genshin it certainly is surprising to see some units deliver - Navia and Gaming are huge ones for me that I've only come to adore and enjoy far more than I even initially did (I never underestimated Clorinde, my Napoleonic Queen delivered to expectations~) - great point that timing of release can truly make or break it for some characters, fairly or not
Xianyun's design floored me and her capabilities only make her such a pleasant benefit - I was against her due to how annoying I found Cloud Retainer as a bird xD I've overcome my bias against her personality ahah. I personally wish I felt the same regarding Emilie, I think her potential and usefulness is far more surprising given her community reception...mechanics aside, her design still leaves me wanting and disappointed (I actually adore her pose, gorgeous legs/heels, dance steps/animations, and gracefulness, I think at this point its more about her eyes, glasses, and hair choices, shallow as it sounds, to me that and some of her dress elements are not cohesive or as beautiful in my eyes as I had hoped) so its such a shame but glad that a video like this can show how she and others shine!
still disappointed that Sigewinne did not have a kit that grants her teammates bond of life mechanic to make other characters uses the Harmonic Whimsey set
Me when I saw Chevy kit I instantly knew she'll be good with my raiden. And now. With arlecchino. She's blessing
I tried to pull Emilie cuz she look cute but broke me. Didn't reach pity
The first time to 36 star the abyss yesterday.
C1r1 arle, c0r1 emilie, c0r0 dehya, c2r1 baizhu.
C2r1 clorinde, c3r1 nahida [deepwoods a b*tch so i cant get past 680 EM], c1r1 furina [half built], c0r1 xilonen.
1st tea. Did amazing for mobs.
2nd team fantastic against the bosses.
If it wasnt for emilie being a powerhouse dendro sub dps my arle team couldnt clear fast enough. I've never beenable to clear the abyss due to artifact issues mainly. If emilie gets a rerun i may try to snag a con if shes not with someone else in the lineup i'm aiming for
At the time I was still a newer player that didn't have a non-standard 5* character, I pulled for Ayaka instead of Navia because I thought she was the stronger character... safe to say I underestimated Navia.💀
Im gonna say Wriothesley. I feel like it was a bit of Cryo syndrome and a bit of "Oh no I'm about to be released after arguably the strongest character in the game!" While he isn't Nuevi tier he's atleas A tier. He's able to utilize melt and burnmelt really well, the first Cryo character to consistently and effectively do so. Not to mention he's not too terrible in shatter.
Got clorinde and than took a break from genshin. Came back now bc of natlan and finished building her, I got nahida too recently so I’m finally trying dendro teams from my usual hydro and geo teams.
Also Kuki, massively underestimated character
Love the vids but I just have to point out how funny "Cloriander" is to me lol just adding so many extra letters to her name, makes her sound like a spice haha
I pulled Emilie cuz "kinich will need her"
then I didn't pull kinich but I didn't regret Emilie
i barely use xianyun for her plunge enabling mechanic.
in the abyss, i just use her as furina's partner.
and in the openworld, i dont think i can play genshin without her.
i'd say c1 xianyun is required for every account.
i was gonna get scarmuch since he has flight mechanics, good thing i hold off.
Speaking from someone who follows character kits, i gotta dissagree with clorinde, her healing in the beta seemed way higher, and up untill the last week of it, the skill had much higher uptime, with what it looked to be really good numbers. generally she looked like an insane unit, I pulled for her in a heartbeat and now i regret. She isnt bad, by any means she isnt that special, and definitely less fun that she looked to be
emilie 😍 my main! the only 5 star character that i pull along with her signature weapon. i want to pull for her cons next until i get her c6
Emilie C1Dehya Kazuha C6Bennett with Dehya ulting when available is an amazing team
Emilie was never bad just poorly timed. She was more of a Kazuha situation in the sense players didnt realiz her value. Hoyo probably wont rerun her anytime soon as well, she was fesigned for Natlan, with her awful timing and burning focused kit she seemed lackluster. her dmg is still amazing
I think Chiori also deserves mention if we are going to mention Emilie. Chiori has gotten a lot better over time with the additions of Kachina for C0 Chiori havers and Navia/Xilonen for C1+ Chiori havers. Her usage rates have also been consistently high.
I feel like Emilie and Lisa should have their names switched. Because Emilie, aside from looking like Lumine and Kaveh, kinda looks like anime Lisa Simpson.
Others: Pulling for one of the best DPS such as arlechino....
Me: who pull for chlorinde even knowing that 😂 and Didn’t regret getting her 😊
Clorinde is still pretty good tho
You should do a video on overhyped characters and put shogun at the forefront.
I had to skip Emilie as I didn't have enough primos. And I lost 50/50 on her banner too. I knew I have to wait until her rerun, because I knew I wanted the new natlan characters and I couldn't get enough primos in time to get her.
Welcome to the weird kit enjoyer's side
also you'll like Chasca's
For emilie I expected her to be as good as she is when she released *(Same With Chevreuse And Navia)* its just people doomposted her to oblivion over the overall design choice mostly then burning centric kit she has which for the whole burning thing I can't really blame them I'd expect a support for an unexplored reaction before a sub DPS but at least she's good
For clorinde from her release I've seen people overrate her a little too much I've looked into some videos exploring her kit and DMG output compared to others but they aren't all fair comparisons then the whole clorinde abyss speedrun thing I saw which isn't a good metric of discussion if you look at every player that plays genshin
I do think clorinde is decent for a DPS but aside from the obvious downsides she has she can look better or worse than other characters depending on the type of player you are so its important to enjoy her playstyle of course but to say exceed expectations for me personally I just don't see it and I like clorinde too and like that the chevreuse team is clean and fun but I still wished her kit was more free in the use of her skill *(Like Arlecchino)* instead of it having more downtime than uptime if you don't use the thundering fury set on her but hey there's that ok Qiqi team with clorinde that was interesting to me so there's that but other than that clorinde never particularly stuck out to me despite me also liking her
Quickbloon, overload and aggravate are amazing clorinde teams. She doesn't do a singular instance of nuke like navia and maulani but she's more comfortable than most units for that very reason. I'd say she was hated for NOT being a nuker vs a consistent damage dealer [which can be bad in of itself because nukes rely on crits too much⁰
@@nobody-xh6ii I know and agree as I'm sure for others that downplayed her for sure it must've been a preference to like nuke characters
But from the time of clorinde's release I've seen people focus her uptime problem or that she wants a shield and one other thing I forgot the *ping dependency* which can be a problem for many characters not just clorinde so its not really just the Consistency Vs Nuke dilemma because I saw it brought up a lot in discussions
I do think some people don't appreciate her DMG profile because of these reasons too
Geo wasnt bad. It just took a lot of love to make it work. Bcause my team of C6 Solar pearl Ninnguang, C6 Stonthresher Noel, cinibar spindle Albedo and Zhong Li can still 36 star the abyss.
I recently did is with a Noelle, Albedo, Chiori, Gorou team. I've found a consistent reason to use my Albedo since 1.1
@magiclover9346 riiight!!! Mine defense is pretty high, so his skill is averaging 29K per hit, 30K on crit. Sometimes I swap him out for Gorou. People just aren't satisfied unless they're getting big reaction numbers. And I get it, because the game is all about reactions.
But that's just not what geo does. You don't need reactions when you can punch holes in stuff. And now that I have Navia and Xilonen. The punching isn't going to stop any time soon.
What I really want is my Gorou to get up to C4 so he can heal. But he's always paired with Itto. Who I don't want. So unless I get lucky on the standard banner. I don't see that happening anytime soon.😅
@@sigma20xx yup there's a difference between a speed run and a clearance. Many forget this. Once you get to how fast can my clear get. The answer normally is how deep are your pockets. I love Itto play him whenever I can. Also like to point out 4 star options are garbage if you're willing to put the work in.
I really want to know if we compare c6 Noelle with itto sig weapon vs c0 navia with sig weapon using furina team setup who is better dmg dealer?
One character that comes to mind is kuki shinobu
Joice can prepare to Ororon who uses electro charged reaction to his kit work
Emilie is goated!
Emilie fan since day one
lost 50/50 as f2p
doomed
still waiting for rerun
Most 5*s are skips, after playing for years I already clear abyss pretty well, saving my primos for c2 mavuika (and got c2 r1 xilonen lol)
Navia wasn't just going against geo, she is also a claymore user 😅
Don't get me wrong I love claymores but most units untill that point were not as good as other weapons
I wanted emelie so bad and i tried to get her but her banner was up right after my 3 month break and i didn’t have the resources to guarantee her.
All released during Fontaine's patch cycle, i dont understand why would someone underestimate them honestly. Sumeru had it's up and downs from what i see(it got better now for gals like Dehya or Candace) but every Fontaine character was great actually?(yes, even Sigewinne) Now if someone from Monstadt to Inazuma suddenly made it to the front THAT would be amazing.
People having doubts before or even after release is mostly justified. Cyno didn't have his best team until more than a version later when Furina came out and had to wait for Nahida and Baizhu, but even Emilie didn't have very good teams simply because Dendro and Pyro aren't a good combination. Even now she can fit Kinich teams solely because they both rely on burning.
As for Sigewinne, well, there is no redemption. Anyone can pull for her if they really want to, but Kokomi can already fill her role the same and offer more. The future doesn't look bright for Chiori either, while Wrio is also on the more mediocre side, and his release was a version ago with no rerun, which is absolute insanity :DD
So overall, they can still easily mess up new characters
@@tamas9554 burnmelt ganyu/wriothesley/aloy/arle, burn kinich/arle [immune to burning grass too], burn vape maulani/hydro units. Do I need to go on?
@@nobody-xh6ii Burnvape Mualani has some annoying issues with consistency, and the rest are mostly off-meta teams (Ganyu or Wrio aren't even top tier DPS characters to begin with, also, Aloy, really?). For Arle, you have better options, even though you can slap Emilie on her teams.
Her only real "synergy" is still with Kinich, but thats because they both need burning for their kits to work. Dendro and Pyro just aren't a great combination factually speaking, both burning and burgeon are below decent reactions, and most characters don't want them.
And for a 5 star limited sub-dps unit, I think its fine to expect better usage than the above mentioned. Actually, if she was just a Pyro unit with no limitation to burning, she would be an objectively better Xiangling, which would have been amazing