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I mained wrio all the fontaine patches! Glad i had his c1 from first banner else id be suffering. Back then wasn't sure of wheth3r to wait his rerun for c1 but i pulled , ig i dont regret
Triple banners is not a problem but what's the problem is primos, they can increase banners but what about the rewards, if they increase more rewards then yeah triple banners would be great
@@PraveenKumar-rz2ljthe number of rate up 5 stars doesn't have anything to do with primogem income. More options is better than less options regardless of income.
What we need is quicker refresh rates. Characters only being in the shop a few days. Some more popular characters maybe longer. Something similar to what fortnite does.
I completely agree with this sentiment. Even if I as a F2P struggle to get the characters that I want due to them running right next to each other, at least I won't have to feel anxiety over having to potentially wait 1 or 2 years for them to rerun.
You are absolutely 100% right. My husband has been holding his wishes for over a year waiting for Ganyu to return. He hasn't pulled for a single Fontaine or Natlan character. (He did pull for an Ayaka con, C1). He is free to play, never spent a penny on the game. He has also been unmotivated and has skipped whole events and days at a time. If they rerun her soon, it might motivate him to return to his daily play again. He could start pulling again.
Banners as they are right now aren't any less stressful for F2P as triple banners would be. If you have to skip your favorite char for meta one, no one can guarantee that you won't have to skip again next time they come in 2.5 years. With banners rotating every 6 months or so there's much higher chance that you'll be able to pull for them at some point.
The main argument for 3 banners is that you won't have to wait 2.5 years. If Genshin team ever did something that was a "for players" thing, we'd probably also see change in permament banner, making it to be more like a chronicled wish banner instead - and I think a ton of people would like it that way. But they got a guaranteed cash grab like WoW was for Blizzard for years, so who the hell cares.
This is why i pulled for both Xilonen and Chiori. I first pulled Xilonen and then thought hard for a few days about Chiori 'cause on one hand there is Nahida on second half of the patch, on other i really like Chiori's design and also would like to test some teams with her and Kachina, but the problem is i dont know when exactly will Chiori get a rerun, maybe a year, two or even more. Nahida on the other hand i know for sure will get her rerun on the next 6.X patch FOR SURE. With triple banners there would much more rerun chances for Chiori in the future so i could get her c1 and weapon
I only started plating during the last summer event. The banner schedule sucks as a newer player, meeting all the characters and realizing you could be waiting literal years for a chance to pull for them.
I started around the same time... (7th of august). I still feel pretty gutted that I couldnt get yelan and that she probably wont be on banner for a long time...
@@Azaleahsney It's not going to end soon at all, and Hoyo has showed in the past to have the habit to keep their servers on A LOT even for their less famous games
The crazy thing is they've already done a triple rerun banner in HSR, yet they're allergic to such things in Genshin. I really feel the chronicled wish needs to be permanent with it cycling around who is on the banner, and it lasts the entire patch with the current roster of characters. This still keeps limited characters limited, whilst also cycling them on a regular basis, plus the roster can be mixed up for each region selection if there are more than 6 characters to put on there. There is just too many characters in the game now.
They want to make FOMO a real fear. If you know the schedule, you can relax, save up and wait until their next rerun. The way they currently set this up, you don't think they will come out at all, spend the primos you've saved and then SURPRISE, you're broke and you want to pull on these characters that you've waited so long for. Now you really have to decide whether you really want them and swipe that card or forever wait for the non-existent rerun banner again.
Except if you want cons you sacrifice other characters. I think cons is how they make money. The chronicled wish is bad for them because you can lose to a limited.
To be honest who the hell says "omg the characters rerun more often thats too much pressure" that's literally less pressure because they'll come back around sooner. We got the first banner increase in patch 1.4. It's high time it got increased again.
Short Answer: Yes Long Answer: Shenhe, I love you so much, I miss you, you are so pretty and special. You are not a bad character. I’m praying that Bennet imbibitor lunae gives a team wide attack steroid to improve your buffing while also boosting the on-fielder. You will always be the best Cryo character in my heart and I will get your weapon this time now that the banner is less of a scam.
Agreed, I ended up with a C3 Raiden before I got a single copy of Kujou Sara (no I didn't spend, I'd just been simping, I mean saving for Raiden for a while) I've also never got a Chevreuse despite pulling on both banners that she was on.
On raidens banner all I wanted was 3 Chevreus (c6) and and 3 Sara’s, what I got was 5 Chevreuse 7 Thomas and 2 Sara’s in 160 wishes. I managed to c6 Thoma from not having him at all! But still only 2 f*cking sara kopies.
Wrio not getting a rerun when Clorinde or Sigewinne came out is still insane to me, like that was the perfect time especially since he never had one but I understand Alhaitham and Furina since they weren't back, but for Furina I thought she'll come around Arlecchino but didn't. Idk when they plan to rerun Wrio but the fact he's been gone and never had a rerun before is absurd
I think better than triple banners would be 3 banner cycles per patch (2×3 instead of 3×2), since that also would cycle the 4* units more quickly. But there's zero question that one of them is needed if they don't run the Chronicled more often. Addendum: The chronicled wish requires 3 total banner appearances, so debut plus 2 reruns. But nothing stops them from just changing that policy.
@@justwannacare Yes. I think if they wanted to go to triple banners without totally overhauling how weapon banners work, they would've needed to do it in 5.0 when they went down to 1 fate point for a guaranteed weapon. Now, it would be making the weapon banner odds worse, and I think people would flip out it it went to a 25/25/25/25 spread between 3 weapons and standard on the first 5* pull.
i understand the thought process but how exactly would that work in practice? a new unit appears in the first banner cycle, another new unit can appear in the last banner cycle, and the rest is reruns? but then unless we extended the version time (which is never happening), the shiny new units would get notably less time on-banner. some people do grind out primogems for units they especially like. other people take breaks and return to whale for a character when they feel like it. i'm not sure the playerbase would take it well. on the other hand if hoyo made it harder to obtain specific weapons on the weapon banner, i feel like hoyo could justify it because of the changes they made to fate points. as it stands, you already need to accumulate enough fate points to guarantee a limited weapon anyway, so does it really change that much? and since you now only need 1 fate point, it's not nearly as costly as it was before. i do agree though that the 4 star units are a problem and this would certainly help with that. my poor faruzan is still sitting at c2 or so and it feels really discouraging watching her pass by, knowing it could be a year before she becomes featured again, and even THEN it's only a 1 in 3 chance between the other 4 stars on banner.
I think the best way to fix this would be to give players a chance like once in a year to try getting a specific character they want, for example in your birthday, this would make up for the resin they give us 🤡 It could work like the chronical wish
I think its more practical if characters have a one day rerun on their birthday. Its not like genshin have 365 5* characters and weapons. That way people can plan their pull more effectively if they decide to get a new character while waiting for the birthday of the character they wanted
@@ping-x7m yeah, and this isn't bad for a business standpoint too, as you still need to pull for the character, all the things considered, its likely to generate a little more revenue to them.
Gotta agree. At least up until Fontaine, they ran at least once in a version. Shenhe, Ganyu, and Kokomi were the first not to. If they don't do something soon, that number will grow exponentially through Natlan.
Definitely a bad decision. If we can know exactly when a character is going to rerun, how Mihoyo get our money? Since if we skip a certain character, we know the next chance when he or she will come back. Even if its just one day, you sure can hoard a lot of primos and guarantee them--Unless, you only allow to pull 10 times on that birthday banner.
@@陈明年 in the same way they get now, the mentality is the same, if you aren't going to get the character on release, you will wait for its rerun, and that's it. The only diference is that you will know when the rerun will occour.
I think they need to take a page out of HI3's playbook and just add old irrelevant/outdated characters to the standard banner. Alternatively, the chronicled wish thing should have been a permanent thing that cycled through different themes, which when they announced it I thought was the implication, but then the following patch it was just gone.
The best part about triple banners (as in 2 2 2 per patch) is definitely the 4* reruns. Considering the fact that we cant guarantee them...waiting a whole year to see Chevreuse again bcuz Hoyo gate keep her to Raiden banner is just ridiculous
1:11 I don't want to sound rude but you're under a misconception. Chasca blew up in JP and CN, so much so that she even got about the same amount of attention (likes, retweets, etc) as Hoyoverse's other game long awaited character Sunday. The bad reception of this character was only from the western side
I'm pulling for her....might not go crazy on cons because I will be doing that with Mauvika and Furinas rerun....but I will at least get her c0 and maybe c1 depending on how good it is
@@valentinjesus6213no kidding. Da Wei was even crying. he was saying too in a special program that Genshin will start listen. But notice how Genshin devs are starting to be complacent again. Can’t trust Genshin devs and da Wei.
I think that a big part of hoyo not doing tripple banners is the sales aspect. I think they kind of use the hype for example for Wriothesley to add to the Fomo of not getting the character. When deciding to release tripple banners, they also take a big part of the Fomo that is always tied to a character you want to get, out of the picture. Though I agree on all your other points!
I think what we really need is a "standard" rotational banner that never ends, just change units. one week it reruns hu tao, shenhe, ganyu and eula, next week it's albedo, childe, klee and whatever, etc.
Instead of triple banners side by side i always thought halfing rerun phase durations is the way to go , keeping the weapon banner as it is but more reruns each having 10 days .so if a patch has 1 new character first phase it'll be like normal 20 days then second phase has 4 rerun characters
I agree with this! I think there would be some pushback, but tbh most people pull on the first or second days anyhow I don't think it will negatively impact many people
This was my thought as well. Each version runs for 6 weeks, with banners lasting 3 weeks. So why not just run banners for 2 weeks to maintain stability in the weapon banner? Heck, Hoyo could get real spicy and run new banners every week. I mean, who actually doesn't pull a character after a week of their release? The only people I can think of are those scraping primogems together.
That's also part of their strategy, if the character takes ages to return, you're most likely to spend to get it now rather than wait for the next rerun, that will come ... Someday. IF you're lucky.
And that's a double edged sword. They can only abuse FOMO so much until people start giving up. Like what ended up happening when they finally added the free standard character on anniversary. It took so long that a considerable portion of the playerbase felt nothing about it. You'd have seen way more hype about it if they had given that to the players in the 2nd anniversary. Now, in the 4th one, many people simply thought "too little, too late". The same is going to eventually happen to these characters they avoid rerunning. At some point, people will get tired of waiting and will give up on the character altogether (if not on the game itself, due to the constant disappointment/dissatisfaction).
@@comteqfr525 Eh, you need to balance that aginst the revenue from "impulse sales" that increases when there are more characters available to decide you want to swipe for. And if there is an ideal re-run time that they calculated at the start, the current figure has grown way past it. There's a limit to how much you can really milk that anticipation, given that after some number of months people will eventually loose intrest.
@@FlyingNinjaish no it doesn't. Because you only purchase impulsively on one character, so all you'll do is spread the impulsive purchases on more characters, and lower your sales of the other 2.
Shes pretty fun yeah, but neuv and zhongli are right after her and right after that is mavuika and citlali ☠️ also a lot of ppl have spent their guaranteed on xilonen or are gonna do it on nahida or even hutao, they've just put chasca in an unfortunate situation
@@comteqfr525 from the dmg tests ive seen, it looks cool but the amount of dmg ain't insanely high but she trades that for flexibility kinda like raiden
Chasca getting skipped en masse would just make getting her feel even better for me, as it was with Shenhe and Chiori. Unpopular character enjoyers unite!
In enstars characters have a banner you can pull on to get all their cards when it’s their birthday. Pjsk does the same thing too. I think hoyo could do something similar to this with 5* units where you get to pull on their birthday banner for the day or maybe a week. It’d not only fix the rerun issue to a certain extent, but it’d also be a good way of avoiding triple banners if hoyo desperately dont want them (which i think they absolutely should make them)
They should add something like character fragments for the super old 5 stars that you can have a chance to get when wishing. One you collect enough of one character you can convert the currency into the character.
Yay Juice already incorporating some discussions in the line up, love it! Conversations like this on different aspects of the game and experience are really fun and worthwhile to me! Something truly seems to need to be done to resolve this. I wish they would just not make certain units rerun so much while others never get their day However, I wonder how most of us could possibly handle more banners, how could we save/afford it? I feel like it’d be a mess. Great points around 9:27! Maybe have less repetition, selectable 4 stars/no longer getting units you’ve maxed, having 4 4 stars instead of just 3, or a reoccurring Chronicle Wish…who knows!
You would still go for 1 banner instead of the 3. You make a choice between 3 banners instead of 2 each patch. You are going to skip more, but the reruns happen more often as well. You will have quicker access to chars you like.
@@sindoray2094 So what happens when you get a HSR situation where they run units who perfectly synergies with each other? Speeding up also means way less time to save because your being bombarded by banners
I'd say they need to do something to prevent characters never rerunning. Triple banners or a new banner style maybe (Faster? Stronger? Tastier?). I mean, it's their game, but they tend to hide stuff away like they're afraid of money. Plus they have different strategies in similar gacha games, so maybe try those? We will see!
I find it strange how nobody seems to mention how double banners effectively banished multiple 5* weapons to the shadow realm, Jade cutter/unforged etc. As 5* characters running two at once yoinks both weapon slots on the weapon banner (with exception for characters without sigs like albedo). How would triple banners work then? I guess a full weapon banner rework would be needed too, which would be nice potentially.
I really want Shenhe, shes my favorite Cryo character to the point that the quest the Crane Returns to The Wind quest basically saved Liyue for me by my standards. I got Ayaka last time because I liked her playstyle (still do, favorite is melt) I think a possible rerun is shes gonna rerun with Citlali if shes a 5* (either her or Wriothesley) but PLEASE release her Hoyo! I
My gut feeling is that if they increase the banner count to 3, they could just release more new units per patch than the current amount new units per patch to nake more money. Like instead of 1 to 2 new 5 stars per patch, they could just release 2 to 4 new 5 stars per patch. This would also lead to a vicious cycle of 'we dont have enough spots to rerun (character), let's add 1 more banner, since we have 2 more spots per parch, why not relaese one more 5 stars.'
Y’all it’s 2 banners for the standard and more characters are releasing so older characters are not getting as much attention as the new ones (shenhe) if they will make tripple banners more characters will release and more players will say give us 4 banners and 5 banners it’s gonna get confusing so thats why they wouldn’t make 3 banners
personally I don't really like triple banners, but if during the bigger patches with more rewards and big events, we could do it. I feel like it would make more sense than only triple banners, but I understand the struggle, I want Shenhe and Heizou Cons!
if only their was a way to mitigate this issue like for example sending 5* to standard banner after some time or updating the shop with new units man if only other games have done these features but no that's too crazy to think about.
I think this would be a good idea: phase 1 -2 banners - Featured 5 star with current and previous patch 4 stars only, (i.e. Kinich - Kachina, Ororon, Lynette) and rerun 5 star previous patch only previous patch 4 stars only (i.e. Wriothesley- Charlotte, Chevreuse, Freminet) phase 2 - 2 banners - Archon cycle with that archon nations 4 stars only, (i.e. Venti - Kaeya, Lisa, Barbara), and rerun 5 star from patch previous to the previous with that patch 4 stars only (i.e. Nilou - Kaveh, Collei, Dori) Weapon Banner - One weapon banner, two weapons, you pick the one you want, you 100% get it within 80 pulls. Also with a regular rotation of all 4-star weapons that only appear on banners. Chronicled Banner - Lasting the full patch and using standard wishes. Goes by nation and patch and changes each new patch on a rotation with Mondstat and Liyue being their own patch (i.e. Mond/1.0 then Liyue/1.0 then Inazuma/2.0) 5 stars that sold poorly and are rarely or never reran and their respective weapons and also event weapons AND 5 star weapons that were released on their own (i.e. Memory of Dust, The Unforged, and Summit Shaper) Standard Weapon Banner - Have the Skyward 5 star weapons and the Geo 5 star weapons and the standard banner characters weapons (i.e. Keqings Primordial Jade Cutter) Standard Character Banner - What it is now but with one new 5 star of each element. I feel like this would def not make them lose money but they would earn more money, and having a set in stone rotation for characters and banners would also be beneficial. The revenue would be smoother around all the banners and players would be happy knowing that if they missed out on an event or a character, there is a chance that they can still get it, even if it's slim. Which is a great way to make players spend more money, both sides win i think
i think the only way they can truly fix this problem(triple banners would only be a short term solution, after a while,they'd need to make like 4 or 5 banners to make sure every character gets enough as more characters are added) is to just make it so every character gets a 1 day long banner on their birthday,that way every 5* is guaranteed at least one rerun a year and said rerun is very easy to predict and save your primogems for, and 4* can avoid kaveh and heizou situations,thoughts?
I just don’t think that the weapon banner with 3 weapons would work. I think they would have to have overlapping banners like instead of adding a 3rd unit in both phases, combine them as a set of banners that get to be in the ending half of the 1st phase and the beginning half of the 2nd phase. (If that makes sense)
wrio’s banner not rerunning is such a mandela effect for me cus i couldve sworn he just released two months ago , good thing i got him on his debut tho
i dont believe tripple banners are the solution to this problem and a better step towards a solution would be making chornicaled wish more consistent/often. Tripple banner would create a bigger problem where it will feel like it takes longer for characters to rerun because on a tripple banner the other characters were better options/you had to pick on over the other. youd have to pick between up to 3 characters you like on one banner then wait because now those characters wont get rerun anytime soon, it makes the game SO much worse for f2p especially, this game would truly become p2w if triple banners existed.
We need triple banners as soon as possible. Apart from that I'd love to see 4 star characters AND weapons being added to the Paimon's Bargain shop. Could be as simple as "If the 4 star unit or weapon has been in the game for more than 12 months, it will be added to Paimon's Bargain."
I skipped Neuv for Wrio c1 and I don't regret it. I already knew Neuv would get a rerun cuz he was broken. I also knew Wrio was a more fun unit who I liked more. Easiest skip of my life AND I have a Wrio! Hope he gets his FIRST rerun soon cuz I want others to have fun with him :D It doesn't help that I have Shenhe as well, so I can mix tons of teams with him just for fun :p Both Shenhe and Wrio NEED reruns! I want ppl to enjoy them!
The issue with 4*'s like heizou and kaveh is that they are decent units, like not bad nor good. Cause bad units get their re-runs along popular 5* (like right now with Xilonen getting Collei, Dori and Candace). And on filler banners we get the good ones like XQ, fishcl, XL, etc. There's ofc exceptions from the 4*'s that got glued to a 5* like sara and chevy with raiden or gorou with Itto. But in the end they are good enough to not be along a good 5* but bad enough to no be on a filler banner
You're wrong. Kaveh is terrible. He does nothing. One of the worst if not the worst 4* in the game. Hoyo only gatekeeps him because he's ''''popular''' among the players. I hate that he's popular because to me his personality sucks and it's totally undeserved.
and i'd argue that the four horsemen of the four star meta (xl, xq, fischl and bennet) better not be on banners that often cause a lot of ppl have them c25 or something
@godzdead least favorite is a compliment he doesn't deserve. It's the one I actually reject from his concept alone, whoever wrote him and designed him should be fired from hoyo for creating this atrocity.
When you start out you get a lot of primos, but they are spread too thin if you know what you are doing (unlike me who got Albedo, Eula and her sig back then). It will give you the opportunity to get more characters, but if you don't then it is waiting more patches until they come back. And the thing I think we are overlooking is, that waiting period will always have other characters you want, and as they release newer and stronger characters, eventually saving for the characters you like will become impossible. For example, I always liked Nahida and I wanted to get her eventually, but the last time we saw her I couldn't get her, and now I will have to skip her in favor of Mavuika, and I still need to get Xianyun. Triple banners are an option, but I think it might be better to have three phases instead of two, that way the weapon banner stays "reasonable". Lmk what you think, godspeed to you Juice!
I played during the initial two banners of genshin, i came back during 5.0 and i really liked Yoimiya's kit when i did inazuma's archon quest that shes apart of. Im now hoping she gets a rerun soon.
I think they just need multiple chronicled wishes that constantly rotate and characters being added to it after a certain amount of time/patches. Maybe be able to choose certain 4 stars that are in that banner as well
Also the non existent 4* characters pity system??? I remember pulling for kaveh on release and getting a ganyu and a baizu before getting him. I spent like 180+ wishes for C6 Kaveh and ended up with C1 and 2 five stars that I barely use
Chasca is destined to become the Wriothesely of Natlan. The release schedule assures that she will be skipped, regardless of the character's qualities.
This game has sooo many 5* characters at this point it’s not the old days anymore, they really should add a 3rd banner or the chronicled wish needs to come back and go more often than once in a year or more than a year Also what if they add a 4* banner changes every patch twice and you can use standard pulls on it or smth like that, that would be cool
I think the most common complain of the triple banner is the weapon banner, and how they would implement the 3rd weapon in there. Which imo they can just add it to the options for the fate point and that's it, ez solution
I honestly, don't think triple banner would work. It is just a band aid for the situation. I just think they should start adding units in the standard roster. Let say you have 20 units in the standard roster now you get to choose 10 of those that work be for your 50/50 and standard banner. Or use the original standard roster but have multiple guest standard for every patch. And Again, you can choose a certain amount of the roster.
you can't add a limited character in 50/50 when they are advertised as limited, i'm pretty sure it's illegal. chronicled was a loophole for them but they sure need to put it more often
region-specific banners! been saying this from the start! have two 5* that either appear in the main story of that area, or take that area's drops, and a handful of 4* with the same criteria. And every time the main character banners change, then the character pool changes on the region-specific banners. Anytime you finish the archon quest of a certain region, you unlock the rotating region's banner boom. you now have a place for ALL characters, we all know they'll eventually appear there, there's less strain on the 4* situation, and we have a place for non-meta characters that people still want
ALL cryo characters has been forgotten for specific reason. Same shit was with electro pre inazuma. They are trying to make us forgot about element, so when new region is out we will be in awe with element. Cuz tbh cryo is the worst element in the game rn. So that's why wrio is not being rerun even tho he's pretty popular (still not ganyu or shenhe numbers tbh)
I still think having the option to rate up a 4 star character of your choice* in the standard banner would work. It’ll also give some more attention to the standard banner and people would also spend some money there rather than it just being the banner that people wish on just because they have some blue fates for free (in my case at least)
I honestly really like the idea of the chronicled banner. If they made it more transparent and made it keep its pity, I could actually see myself pulling on it (as a semi new player and low spender). If the rotations were faster (like having 3 limited 5 stars) it might be even less daunting, because I for example really want both wriothsley and shenhe, but what would happen if I couldn't get them for some reason, I would have to wait years to see them again which just the thought of it makes me sad
Another thing that isn't considered: lets say Baizhu sells poorly on the Furina banner, so we shouldn't rerun him because we'll make less money than if we just reran Neuvillette right? Except with people spending less on Baizhu, they have more money to spend on Furina and more will pull for her or even her cons or weapon. Let's say Wriothesley sells poorly, so he's a bad banner right? But the less people spend on him the more they've got saved up to whale on Furina. Maybe I didn't spend on Wrio so when Furina comes out I'm comfortable spending a bit extra on her, if she ran right after Neuvillette I might've spent a bunch and be unable or unwilling to spend much on Furina. Basically less popular banners will make SOME money, they'll keep retention from fans who wanted to get them and couldn't, and they'll balance out when the big spender banners come out. They're almost required because if people don't have any skip options they'll run out of money and primos and burn out from missing every other character they want when they're all back to back to back bangers.
Basically with Juice saying triples could be scary for free to play, it's kinda a non issue because reruns will be more common so a free to play feels fine if they only get one of the three banners per patch, knowing the other two will rerun soon enough, and if they're lucky they could get up to three new characters instead of two.
I'd love for them to do that HSR banner where they put up the one main banner and then the other banner is a trio of past 5stars for us to choose from. I love that idea. It could potentially let us cycle between 5stars faster.
Rather than triple banners I'd prefer something along the lines of the Chronicled Wish banner, except without the scammyness. If they made a permanent version of Chronicled Wish that carried over pity it would be great. The main problem that banner had was that you could theoretically spend 100+ wishes, not get what you want, and have all those wishes totally wasted when it went away. That's just idiotic and precisely why even though I would've loved to have finally gotten Mona after 4 years or Dehya's sig weapon, I refused to touch the thing.
actually, we might need soon. especially because they will keep doing the Archon rerun marathon, which means by the time we get the Tsaritsa, we'll get 7 patches of Archon rerun, and they will occupy 1 slot per patch automatically. versions only goes up to ~8 patches per version
Definitely think we need it - in the time that I've been playing (since very beginning of 2024, so not long) I have seen reruns of Raiden Shogun, Nahida(soon to be lol), Chiori, and Kazuha, while other characters that are less popular/less meta are sat gathering dust. I think these reruns make genuine sense - they are the characters that hoyo has relatively guaranteed pulls on and are especially enticing to anyone coming back to an old account after a long time as well as good value for new players. Having a triple limited banner that connects to the pity of the current ones would do wonders for rerun times, since there are absolutely characters that haven't seen the light of day for far too long. There is admittedly a corner of my low spender heart that is concerned with my personal ability to remain low spending when its likely that the less popular characters I want on my account would start rerunning back to back on top of new characters, since I've been just barely able to keep up with the amount of wishes I need to get the characters I want and am rapidly running out of exploration primos, but it also means shorter wait times between reruns for every character (at least until the roster gets too big, but that's what chronicled wish would be for) so it wouldn't be as worrisome to skip a character knowing that they'll get a rerun in a reasonable amount of time rather than confined to hoyos basement
I honestly feel like a way to make it a little more bearable would be scrapping the standard banner and creating a new one that can act as the standard banner, just under a new name. Put every character that's been out for like 2? years or however many they see fit on it and they'll start acting as the new 50/50 characters. It'll make losing the 50/50 more bearable but also provide an opportunity to actually get characters which don't rerun often (though it'll be pure luck which might suck a little). these characters could still get rate ups occasionally but there's less pressure since there's always a shot. Or just put chronicled wish every update / every other update and let its pity carry over to the next one
With the chronicled wish, it's not 3 reruns, but 3 banners. So release, 1st rerun, and 2nd rerun. As long as they haven't rerun recently. Also, the next chronicled wish is said to be Liyue themed
I think the solution would be 3 double banners each patch,2 weeks for each banner. If you want a character that bad you'd probably get them by day 1,this also gives more time to save for later characters in the patch cycle(plus,the most amount of gems is in the first 2 weeks of a patch anyways,so if you couldn't get the character in the first 14 days,the last 7 days wouldn't make a difference,so this also allows for the first banner characters to have a chance) If we get triple banners that'll make the weapon banner odds basically impossible(25/75) to win and they already are very bad
They should implement a permanent chronicled wish that rotates in sync of the Imaginarium Theater but probably with less characters. The secret sauce for their sales that is FOMO will still be there since the amount of primos you get will still be the same so players who really want the characters may spend money for more pulls.
I'd like to see a permanent Chronicle banner that rotates regions every even patch, even if it's just the oldest regions. Something like 5.0 Mondstadt, 5.2 Liyue, 5.4 Inazuma, etc. It would be even better if it included the 4*. Need a c6 4* still after 3 - 4 years? You know they'll be on a Chronicle at least once a year.
Little correction at 2:55 its three banners in TOTAL, meaning there's the first release banner and then two re runs needed to meet qualifications for chronicled wish. But the point does indeed still stand. As of writing this Wriothesely, nor Shenhe would meet that qualification.
Honestly, with us approaching 100 characters, we're due for quadruple banners at this point. HSR recently had a bamner where they had they're new Unit, FeiXiao, and in the rerun section, you could choose 1 of 3 rerun characters. Same deal with their Lightcones. Honkai Impact 3rd also does this on occasion. Chronacled Wish was an excellent step, but of course it only works if it actually gets used. Waiting more than a year for a rerun is absurd to me.
I have an idea to help the third banner concept: recall how star rail had the insane Feixiao and then Robin/Swan/Kafka Banner? Make two SPLIT banners in the second half thats for only reruns like Part 2 of 5.2, we get Wrio/Shenhe as a banner then the second is...i dont know, Arlecchino/Emilie. Basically release a double character banner where you select who you want to pull for, you pull them and go look at the second 5 star in the banner and its a perfect complimentary or alternate character to the first one. It causes incentive to get more primos for the 5 stars to really diverse your options of comps, or just have more characters people WANT to run in cycle more often. as for the 4 star issue...the only thing i can suggest, is both banners or even if they add just a third banner: the sets of three 4 stars is different for each banner. Example: Raiden gets Sara, Bennet, Chevreuse Emilie gets Thoma, xiangling, and maybe Collei or yaoyao, idk, someone to help with dendro burning that isnt just a 3rd pyro. And then third gets a complimentary comp for themselves. Its just to help the 4 star issue and the fact some banners have 4 stars no one wants cause they are maxed out already or just dont work well with the featured 5 star.
I think the real problem here is the weapon banner again tbh. If they start doing triple banners (WHICH THEY SHOULD) then they have to put 3 limited weapons onto a single weapon banner as well. If they had made the weapons have separate banners from the beginning, then by now they would've done what HSR did recently for the Robin, Kafka and Black Swan rerun banner easily. I was on my usual break from Genshin when the chronicle banner was around, but even then I thought it was silly how it couldn't be around for the entire patch for everyone. Thank goodness I pulled for Shenhe first banner lol I only wanted her cause I like her JP VA in FGO. Welp good luck to you guys tho.
It's damn time we get triple banners! Yes, it might creat a little more anxiety for f2p, but with the right prioritisation, it's still possible. If we also take into account, that Archons and more popular Chars get rerun more frequently, i thinks it's pretty okay to prioritize!
I love how you understand the value of Lyney. He has huge potential in a variety of situations to just blow up the opponent with his combo. Not to mention his constellations are all good!
I write this exact point on every survey. I totally agree with you that we need a third banner for older characters!! I want Ganyu Shenhe and Cyno. I dont care of they arent meta enough. And they make imaginariums with cryo however they dont give us cryo charas
I definitely agree that a 3rd banner would go crazy. Having 2 characters that sell while having a 3rd banner for less popular characters would be a step in the right direction. Especially considering just how many 5 stars there are now.
With as many characters as there are now I think triple banners could work. I'm a low spender but I also started playing this year and it would be nice to actually have a chance at getting some of the older characters.
I will be honest: on the concept, the chronicle wish banner could be a great replacement for triple banners and maybe even a better idea. The problem, however, is that it has so many issues that it doesn't fix anything. Its purpose is to give older characters a greater opportunity to rerun, but considering that one of these restrictions is for said characters to be rerruned at least 3 times, means that some characters won't have a chance to appear.
I definitely love Chasca and she's definitely a major pull for me but considering how polarising she is she's probably also going to run into the issue of not having a rerun
They don’t need triple banner an easy fix for this is on the re run banner have a selector on what 5 star you want to roll for. So they can have as many rerun characters available as they want to run.
wrio please wrio please wrio pleaaaaaaaaase
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I mained wrio all the fontaine patches! Glad i had his c1 from first banner else id be suffering. Back then wasn't sure of wheth3r to wait his rerun for c1 but i pulled , ig i dont regret
I NEED HIS C6 SO BADDD 😩😩😩 So mad I lost to qiqi my wrio has been c1 since ages 😭😭
@@aryn-jaegerI got his weapon instead of c1 because I didn’t know c1 was so important for him 😭 I need his rerun so baddddd
Is it bad that I pulled Wrio and he’s still level 20
Primordial jade cutter: wrio? shenhe? that's it? at this point I'm nonexistent.
shenhes last banner is older than hsr☠️
YOU ARE RIGHTTTT 💀💀💀💀
WTF
That's insane
Yeah.. I've got shenhe on that banner.. Which is crazy..
HOYO RELEASED **TWO** NEW GAMES BEFORE SHENHE BANNER
Triple banners in this age of Genshin, I would certainly say Yes
I think we'll be needing four banners atp💀
Or add characters to standard like Honkai impact just did
Triple banners is not a problem but what's the problem is primos, they can increase banners but what about the rewards, if they increase more rewards then yeah triple banners would be great
@@PraveenKumar-rz2ljthe number of rate up 5 stars doesn't have anything to do with primogem income.
More options is better than less options regardless of income.
What we need is quicker refresh rates. Characters only being in the shop a few days. Some more popular characters maybe longer. Something similar to what fortnite does.
we need birthday banners so every character can get a rerun
birthday banners where they're available for like the week of their birthday would be crazy
FOMO IMPACT will always rely on FOMO.
THEY'LL NEVER ADD A THIRD BANNER 🤣
Thank goodness Benny isn't a 5-star lol
real
@@ArgosThePeacocklol
Triple banners + at least four 4 stars per banner with some kind of pity system similar to weapon banner so you can guarantee a 4*
Sounds like a fever dream and probably will stay that way 😢
FOMO IMPACT will always rely on FOMO.
THEY'LL NEVER ADD A THIRD BANNER 🤣
@@dltn42 Sadly you're the only smart one in these comments
@@dltn42 they added double banners, so why not tripple?
Honestly that's a good idea..
But for me it would be better to have the occasion 4 banners like HSR did with Feixiao..
I completely agree with this sentiment. Even if I as a F2P struggle to get the characters that I want due to them running right next to each other, at least I won't have to feel anxiety over having to potentially wait 1 or 2 years for them to rerun.
maybe this is what they want? they want us to be uncertain about reruns so that we will pay for the characters...
@@jeileen1896 not maybe sadly but surely. They are using our FOMO but if people continue to complain they might change it finally
Kazuha rerun: 4.5 & 5.0 ✅
Baizhu rerun: 4.3 & 4.6 ✅
Primordial jade cutter, shenhe, wrio, ganyu, kokomi ❌☠
Baizhu is 4.2.
@@陈明年 OMG that's a huge gap MY BAD
@@陈明年that doesn’t change that it is a really long wait
Heizou is still in the detention camp
@@ScholarVisual And the rest that I mentioned are sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
It doesn't matter what we think if we are not Chinese.
True that 😂
What the cn server think should happen will happen.
What is they think they will consider and what we think they might consider
You are absolutely 100% right. My husband has been holding his wishes for over a year waiting for Ganyu to return. He hasn't pulled for a single Fontaine or Natlan character. (He did pull for an Ayaka con, C1). He is free to play, never spent a penny on the game. He has also been unmotivated and has skipped whole events and days at a time. If they rerun her soon, it might motivate him to return to his daily play again. He could start pulling again.
Sad cryo always neglected, i remember waiting months and months for the eula rerun that took a century
Unfortunately Hoyo doesn't really want the attention of f2p players, they want whales to spend a bunch of money on the shiny new characters
If he’s only f2p his opinion doesn’t really matter
@@TheRoleplayer40k I know, but he would pull more and play more if the older characters re-ran more often. That was my point.
@@beverlyrussell8034 that’s most likely a kid/teen so of course they didn’t understand your point even tho it was clear enough lol.
Banners as they are right now aren't any less stressful for F2P as triple banners would be. If you have to skip your favorite char for meta one, no one can guarantee that you won't have to skip again next time they come in 2.5 years. With banners rotating every 6 months or so there's much higher chance that you'll be able to pull for them at some point.
The main argument for 3 banners is that you won't have to wait 2.5 years. If Genshin team ever did something that was a "for players" thing, we'd probably also see change in permament banner, making it to be more like a chronicled wish banner instead - and I think a ton of people would like it that way. But they got a guaranteed cash grab like WoW was for Blizzard for years, so who the hell cares.
My honest answer could be : "just don't pull for meta just pull for husbandoes or wifoes.yknow what I mean.🗿
This is why i pulled for both Xilonen and Chiori. I first pulled Xilonen and then thought hard for a few days about Chiori 'cause on one hand there is Nahida on second half of the patch, on other i really like Chiori's design and also would like to test some teams with her and Kachina, but the problem is i dont know when exactly will Chiori get a rerun, maybe a year, two or even more. Nahida on the other hand i know for sure will get her rerun on the next 6.X patch FOR SURE. With triple banners there would much more rerun chances for Chiori in the future so i could get her c1 and weapon
Then don't get meta. You don't need meta for 99% of the game.
this game isn’t even REMOTELY hard enough to have to care about meta 🐶💔
I only started plating during the last summer event. The banner schedule sucks as a newer player, meeting all the characters and realizing you could be waiting literal years for a chance to pull for them.
I started around the same time... (7th of august). I still feel pretty gutted that I couldnt get yelan and that she probably wont be on banner for a long time...
I started playing 1 or 2 patches before you and I think it would be nice for players like us to have a chance at getting the older characters.
Not literally years genshin is going to end soon so no more characters + when servers eventually shut down they are going to be gone forever
@@AzaleahsneyGenshin won’t end soon they’re making so much profits there will be a way. And this is chapter 1 it’s a book
@@Azaleahsney It's not going to end soon at all, and Hoyo has showed in the past to have the habit to keep their servers on A LOT even for their less famous games
The crazy thing is they've already done a triple rerun banner in HSR, yet they're allergic to such things in Genshin. I really feel the chronicled wish needs to be permanent with it cycling around who is on the banner, and it lasts the entire patch with the current roster of characters. This still keeps limited characters limited, whilst also cycling them on a regular basis, plus the roster can be mixed up for each region selection if there are more than 6 characters to put on there. There is just too many characters in the game now.
yes.
Its genshins director. Hes notorious for his bad decisions and games have always done better without him.
They want to make FOMO a real fear. If you know the schedule, you can relax, save up and wait until their next rerun. The way they currently set this up, you don't think they will come out at all, spend the primos you've saved and then SURPRISE, you're broke and you want to pull on these characters that you've waited so long for. Now you really have to decide whether you really want them and swipe that card or forever wait for the non-existent rerun banner again.
Except if you want cons you sacrifice other characters. I think cons is how they make money. The chronicled wish is bad for them because you can lose to a limited.
To be honest who the hell says "omg the characters rerun more often thats too much pressure" that's literally less pressure because they'll come back around sooner.
We got the first banner increase in patch 1.4. It's high time it got increased again.
Next patch 5.3 or 5.4 i prayge for the triple wish
Wasn't it patch 2.3 that started double banner reruns?
Short Answer: Yes
Long Answer: Shenhe, I love you so much, I miss you, you are so pretty and special. You are not a bad character. I’m praying that Bennet imbibitor lunae gives a team wide attack steroid to improve your buffing while also boosting the on-fielder. You will always be the best Cryo character in my heart and I will get your weapon this time now that the banner is less of a scam.
i cant wait for bennett to get stabbed in the chest and reveal his true form as a reincarnated vidyahara dragon
The 4 star problem not only being that they don't rerun but more importantly: they aren't guaranteed
Agreed, I ended up with a C3 Raiden before I got a single copy of Kujou Sara (no I didn't spend, I'd just been simping, I mean saving for Raiden for a while) I've also never got a Chevreuse despite pulling on both banners that she was on.
Real on that, I have a C20 Thoma and C2 Sara and C0 Chevreuse after pulling on both banners Chev was on
@@powwowken2760Lmao, meanwhile i got her c2 but I'm not even interested in playing her 😂...
@@powwowken2760that’s actually crazy if true
On raidens banner all I wanted was 3 Chevreus (c6) and and 3 Sara’s, what I got was 5 Chevreuse 7 Thomas and 2 Sara’s in 160 wishes. I managed to c6 Thoma from not having him at all! But still only 2 f*cking sara kopies.
Wrio not getting a rerun when Clorinde or Sigewinne came out is still insane to me, like that was the perfect time especially since he never had one but I understand Alhaitham and Furina since they weren't back, but for Furina I thought she'll come around Arlecchino but didn't. Idk when they plan to rerun Wrio but the fact he's been gone and never had a rerun before is absurd
I love how the video uploaded 2 seconds ago and already ppl commenting like they watched the whole thing
Lol thats sus
Braindead community. Anything that’s goes against Genshin or even criticising it is a big NO NO.
Exactly I am always suprised about this stuff.
I think better than triple banners would be 3 banner cycles per patch (2×3 instead of 3×2), since that also would cycle the 4* units more quickly. But there's zero question that one of them is needed if they don't run the Chronicled more often.
Addendum: The chronicled wish requires 3 total banner appearances, so debut plus 2 reruns. But nothing stops them from just changing that policy.
Big agree, it also wouldn't mess with the weapon banner!
@@justwannacare Yes. I think if they wanted to go to triple banners without totally overhauling how weapon banners work, they would've needed to do it in 5.0 when they went down to 1 fate point for a guaranteed weapon. Now, it would be making the weapon banner odds worse, and I think people would flip out it it went to a 25/25/25/25 spread between 3 weapons and standard on the first 5* pull.
Ya man just make a middle phase in between them....The version still lasts 42 days, no big deal.
i understand the thought process but how exactly would that work in practice? a new unit appears in the first banner cycle, another new unit can appear in the last banner cycle, and the rest is reruns? but then unless we extended the version time (which is never happening), the shiny new units would get notably less time on-banner. some people do grind out primogems for units they especially like. other people take breaks and return to whale for a character when they feel like it. i'm not sure the playerbase would take it well.
on the other hand if hoyo made it harder to obtain specific weapons on the weapon banner, i feel like hoyo could justify it because of the changes they made to fate points. as it stands, you already need to accumulate enough fate points to guarantee a limited weapon anyway, so does it really change that much? and since you now only need 1 fate point, it's not nearly as costly as it was before.
i do agree though that the 4 star units are a problem and this would certainly help with that. my poor faruzan is still sitting at c2 or so and it feels really discouraging watching her pass by, knowing it could be a year before she becomes featured again, and even THEN it's only a 1 in 3 chance between the other 4 stars on banner.
@@azylan Each banner lasts 14 days.
Just because the requirement for the Mondstadt chronicles wish was to have got 3 banners, doesn't mean it has to be kept that way ...
I think the best way to fix this would be to give players a chance like once in a year to try getting a specific character they want, for example in your birthday, this would make up for the resin they give us 🤡 It could work like the chronical wish
I think its more practical if characters have a one day rerun on their birthday. Its not like genshin have 365 5* characters and weapons. That way people can plan their pull more effectively if they decide to get a new character while waiting for the birthday of the character they wanted
@@ping-x7m yeah, and this isn't bad for a business standpoint too, as you still need to pull for the character, all the things considered, its likely to generate a little more revenue to them.
Gotta agree. At least up until Fontaine, they ran at least once in a version. Shenhe, Ganyu, and Kokomi were the first not to. If they don't do something soon, that number will grow exponentially through Natlan.
Definitely a bad decision.
If we can know exactly when a character is going to rerun, how Mihoyo get our money? Since if we skip a certain character, we know the next chance when he or she will come back. Even if its just one day, you sure can hoard a lot of primos and guarantee them--Unless, you only allow to pull 10 times on that birthday banner.
@@陈明年 in the same way they get now, the mentality is the same, if you aren't going to get the character on release, you will wait for its rerun, and that's it. The only diference is that you will know when the rerun will occour.
I think they need to take a page out of HI3's playbook and just add old irrelevant/outdated characters to the standard banner. Alternatively, the chronicled wish thing should have been a permanent thing that cycled through different themes, which when they announced it I thought was the implication, but then the following patch it was just gone.
The best part about triple banners (as in 2 2 2 per patch) is definitely the 4* reruns. Considering the fact that we cant guarantee them...waiting a whole year to see Chevreuse again bcuz Hoyo gate keep her to Raiden banner is just ridiculous
At this point, I’d take an Ayaka or a Ganyu at this point. I already have a Shenhe, but no cryo dps. Wriothesly needs a damn rerun.
1:11 I don't want to sound rude but you're under a misconception. Chasca blew up in JP and CN, so much so that she even got about the same amount of attention (likes, retweets, etc) as Hoyoverse's other game long awaited character Sunday. The bad reception of this character was only from the western side
I'm pulling for her....might not go crazy on cons because I will be doing that with Mauvika and Furinas rerun....but I will at least get her c0 and maybe c1 depending on how good it is
Fair enough she’s an easy skip for me. I have enough dps
I feel like if a chronicled wish banner lasted two patches, and there was always a chronicled wish banner active, they'd have a decent system.
hoyodeaf forgot about that or trying to do that once a year. at this point it's a circus in their headquarters.
@@valentinjesus6213no kidding. Da Wei was even crying. he was saying too in a special program that Genshin will start listen. But notice how Genshin devs are starting to be complacent again. Can’t trust Genshin devs and da Wei.
I think that a big part of hoyo not doing tripple banners is the sales aspect. I think they kind of use the hype for example for Wriothesley to add to the Fomo of not getting the character. When deciding to release tripple banners, they also take a big part of the Fomo that is always tied to a character you want to get, out of the picture. Though I agree on all your other points!
I think what we really need is a "standard" rotational banner that never ends, just change units.
one week it reruns hu tao, shenhe, ganyu and eula, next week it's albedo, childe, klee and whatever, etc.
Instead of triple banners side by side i always thought halfing rerun phase durations is the way to go , keeping the weapon banner as it is but more reruns each having 10 days .so if a patch has 1 new character first phase it'll be like normal 20 days then second phase has 4 rerun characters
I agree with this! I think there would be some pushback, but tbh most people pull on the first or second days anyhow I don't think it will negatively impact many people
Should just be 3 sets of 2 weeks instead of 2 sets of 3 weeks per patch
This was my thought as well. Each version runs for 6 weeks, with banners lasting 3 weeks. So why not just run banners for 2 weeks to maintain stability in the weapon banner? Heck, Hoyo could get real spicy and run new banners every week. I mean, who actually doesn't pull a character after a week of their release? The only people I can think of are those scraping primogems together.
That's also part of their strategy, if the character takes ages to return, you're most likely to spend to get it now rather than wait for the next rerun, that will come ... Someday. IF you're lucky.
And that's a double edged sword.
They can only abuse FOMO so much until people start giving up. Like what ended up happening when they finally added the free standard character on anniversary. It took so long that a considerable portion of the playerbase felt nothing about it. You'd have seen way more hype about it if they had given that to the players in the 2nd anniversary. Now, in the 4th one, many people simply thought "too little, too late".
The same is going to eventually happen to these characters they avoid rerunning. At some point, people will get tired of waiting and will give up on the character altogether (if not on the game itself, due to the constant disappointment/dissatisfaction).
@@comteqfr525 Eh, you need to balance that aginst the revenue from "impulse sales" that increases when there are more characters available to decide you want to swipe for.
And if there is an ideal re-run time that they calculated at the start, the current figure has grown way past it. There's a limit to how much you can really milk that anticipation, given that after some number of months people will eventually loose intrest.
@@FlyingNinjaish no it doesn't. Because you only purchase impulsively on one character, so all you'll do is spread the impulsive purchases on more characters, and lower your sales of the other 2.
and also people can save for characters if no rerun for a long time, so don't spend money on them
I dontl think Chasca is gonna be THAT skipped. She's got critiques for her design, but the kit is awesome and might be one hell of a DPS.
and the best thing, she fly, and more than Wanderer in Natlan.
Shes pretty fun yeah, but neuv and zhongli are right after her and right after that is mavuika and citlali ☠️ also a lot of ppl have spent their guaranteed on xilonen or are gonna do it on nahida or even hutao, they've just put chasca in an unfortunate situation
@@ISMythix bro, she's got a 1700% ATK multiplier on her charged attacks at C0. She's gonna be a NUKE.
@@comteqfr525 from the dmg tests ive seen, it looks cool but the amount of dmg ain't insanely high but she trades that for flexibility kinda like raiden
Chasca getting skipped en masse would just make getting her feel even better for me, as it was with Shenhe and Chiori. Unpopular character enjoyers unite!
Triple? HSR already have Quadruple banners 😂
Exactly what I was gonna say 😭😭
On top of basically releasing two new meta defining characters every patch
In enstars characters have a banner you can pull on to get all their cards when it’s their birthday. Pjsk does the same thing too. I think hoyo could do something similar to this with 5* units where you get to pull on their birthday banner for the day or maybe a week. It’d not only fix the rerun issue to a certain extent, but it’d also be a good way of avoiding triple banners if hoyo desperately dont want them (which i think they absolutely should make them)
To qualify for the chronicled, you need 3 runs. So 2 reruns, 1 debut run
(So, for example, Baizhu can be on it because he’s had 3 total banners)
Short answer: YES
Long answer: ＹＥＳ.
They should add something like character fragments for the super old 5 stars that you can have a chance to get when wishing. One you collect enough of one character you can convert the currency into the character.
Ironically they had that exact system in Honkai Impact 3rd, one of hoyo's older games.
This is a good idea too...
Considering we used to have single banners once and this same discussion happened, i don't see why they wouldn't eventually do triple banners
even quadruple banners is fine.
Yay Juice already incorporating some discussions in the line up, love it! Conversations like this on different aspects of the game and experience are really fun and worthwhile to me!
Something truly seems to need to be done to resolve this. I wish they would just not make certain units rerun so much while others never get their day
However, I wonder how most of us could possibly handle more banners, how could we save/afford it? I feel like it’d be a mess. Great points around 9:27!
Maybe have less repetition, selectable 4 stars/no longer getting units you’ve maxed, having 4 4 stars instead of just 3, or a reoccurring Chronicle Wish…who knows!
You would still go for 1 banner instead of the 3. You make a choice between 3 banners instead of 2 each patch. You are going to skip more, but the reruns happen more often as well. You will have quicker access to chars you like.
@@sindoray2094 So what happens when you get a HSR situation where they run units who perfectly synergies with each other?
Speeding up also means way less time to save because your being bombarded by banners
I'd say they need to do something to prevent characters never rerunning. Triple banners or a new banner style maybe (Faster? Stronger? Tastier?). I mean, it's their game, but they tend to hide stuff away like they're afraid of money. Plus they have different strategies in similar gacha games, so maybe try those? We will see!
I find it strange how nobody seems to mention how double banners effectively banished multiple 5* weapons to the shadow realm, Jade cutter/unforged etc. As 5* characters running two at once yoinks both weapon slots on the weapon banner (with exception for characters without sigs like albedo). How would triple banners work then? I guess a full weapon banner rework would be needed too, which would be nice potentially.
I really want Shenhe, shes my favorite Cryo character to the point that the quest the Crane Returns to The Wind quest basically saved Liyue for me by my standards. I got Ayaka last time because I liked her playstyle (still do, favorite is melt)
I think a possible rerun is shes gonna rerun with Citlali if shes a 5* (either her or Wriothesley) but PLEASE release her Hoyo! I
My gut feeling is that if they increase the banner count to 3, they could just release more new units per patch than the current amount new units per patch to nake more money. Like instead of 1 to 2 new 5 stars per patch, they could just release 2 to 4 new 5 stars per patch. This would also lead to a vicious cycle of 'we dont have enough spots to rerun (character), let's add 1 more banner, since we have 2 more spots per parch, why not relaese one more 5 stars.'
Y’all it’s 2 banners for the standard and more characters are releasing so older characters are not getting as much attention as the new ones (shenhe) if they will make tripple banners more characters will release and more players will say give us 4 banners and 5 banners it’s gonna get confusing so thats why they wouldn’t make 3 banners
personally I don't really like triple banners, but if during the bigger patches with more rewards and big events, we could do it. I feel like it would make more sense than only triple banners, but I understand the struggle, I want Shenhe and Heizou Cons!
if only their was a way to mitigate this issue like for example sending 5* to standard banner after some time or updating the shop with new units man if only other games have done these features but no that's too crazy to think about.
I think this would be a good idea:
phase 1 -2 banners - Featured 5 star with current and previous patch 4 stars only, (i.e. Kinich - Kachina, Ororon, Lynette) and rerun 5 star previous patch only previous patch 4 stars only (i.e. Wriothesley- Charlotte, Chevreuse, Freminet)
phase 2 - 2 banners - Archon cycle with that archon nations 4 stars only, (i.e. Venti - Kaeya, Lisa, Barbara), and rerun 5 star from patch previous to the previous with that patch 4 stars only (i.e. Nilou - Kaveh, Collei, Dori)
Weapon Banner - One weapon banner, two weapons, you pick the one you want, you 100% get it within 80 pulls. Also with a regular rotation of all 4-star weapons that only appear on banners.
Chronicled Banner - Lasting the full patch and using standard wishes. Goes by nation and patch and changes each new patch on a rotation with Mondstat and Liyue being their own patch (i.e. Mond/1.0 then Liyue/1.0 then Inazuma/2.0) 5 stars that sold poorly and are rarely or never reran and their respective weapons and also event weapons AND 5 star weapons that were released on their own (i.e. Memory of Dust, The Unforged, and Summit Shaper)
Standard Weapon Banner - Have the Skyward 5 star weapons and the Geo 5 star weapons and the standard banner characters weapons (i.e. Keqings Primordial Jade Cutter)
Standard Character Banner - What it is now but with one new 5 star of each element.
I feel like this would def not make them lose money but they would earn more money, and having a set in stone rotation for characters and banners would also be beneficial. The revenue would be smoother around all the banners and players would be happy knowing that if they missed out on an event or a character, there is a chance that they can still get it, even if it's slim. Which is a great way to make players spend more money, both sides win i think
i think the only way they can truly fix this problem(triple banners would only be a short term solution, after a while,they'd need to make like 4 or 5 banners to make sure every character gets enough as more characters are added) is to just make it so every character gets a 1 day long banner on their birthday,that way every 5* is guaranteed at least one rerun a year and said rerun is very easy to predict and save your primogems for, and 4* can avoid kaveh and heizou situations,thoughts?
girl at this point we need quadruple banners
I just don’t think that the weapon banner with 3 weapons would work. I think they would have to have overlapping banners like instead of adding a 3rd unit in both phases, combine them as a set of banners that get to be in the ending half of the 1st phase and the beginning half of the 2nd phase. (If that makes sense)
I'm still waiting for Kokomi to come back after I got Eula. I wish Genshin would adopt Honkai Star Rails banner system.
wrio’s banner not rerunning is such a mandela effect for me cus i couldve sworn he just released two months ago , good thing i got him on his debut tho
i dont believe tripple banners are the solution to this problem and a better step towards a solution would be making chornicaled wish more consistent/often. Tripple banner would create a bigger problem where it will feel like it takes longer for characters to rerun because on a tripple banner the other characters were better options/you had to pick on over the other. youd have to pick between up to 3 characters you like on one banner then wait because now those characters wont get rerun anytime soon, it makes the game SO much worse for f2p especially, this game would truly become p2w if triple banners existed.
We need triple banners as soon as possible. Apart from that I'd love to see 4 star characters AND weapons being added to the Paimon's Bargain shop. Could be as simple as "If the 4 star unit or weapon has been in the game for more than 12 months, it will be added to Paimon's Bargain."
I skipped Neuv for Wrio c1 and I don't regret it. I already knew Neuv would get a rerun cuz he was broken. I also knew Wrio was a more fun unit who I liked more. Easiest skip of my life AND I have a Wrio!
Hope he gets his FIRST rerun soon cuz I want others to have fun with him :D
It doesn't help that I have Shenhe as well, so I can mix tons of teams with him just for fun :p
Both Shenhe and Wrio NEED reruns! I want ppl to enjoy them!
As someone who’s been playing since 1.2, I probably have 2 of the 3 characters, so I don’t really care about them
The issue with 4*'s like heizou and kaveh is that they are decent units, like not bad nor good.
Cause bad units get their re-runs along popular 5* (like right now with Xilonen getting Collei, Dori and Candace). And on filler banners we get the good ones like XQ, fishcl, XL, etc.
There's ofc exceptions from the 4*'s that got glued to a 5* like sara and chevy with raiden or gorou with Itto.
But in the end they are good enough to not be along a good 5* but bad enough to no be on a filler banner
You're wrong. Kaveh is terrible. He does nothing. One of the worst if not the worst 4* in the game. Hoyo only gatekeeps him because he's ''''popular''' among the players. I hate that he's popular because to me his personality sucks and it's totally undeserved.
@@okitasan4396wow i wonder who's your least favorite character😭😭
i love kaveh but imagine thinking he's better than collei, candace, or even dori for that matter. man.
and i'd argue that the four horsemen of the four star meta (xl, xq, fischl and bennet) better not be on banners that often cause a lot of ppl have them c25 or something
@godzdead least favorite is a compliment he doesn't deserve. It's the one I actually reject from his concept alone, whoever wrote him and designed him should be fired from hoyo for creating this atrocity.
Theyre gonna make up Cryo only banners at this point
When you start out you get a lot of primos, but they are spread too thin if you know what you are doing (unlike me who got Albedo, Eula and her sig back then). It will give you the opportunity to get more characters, but if you don't then it is waiting more patches until they come back. And the thing I think we are overlooking is, that waiting period will always have other characters you want, and as they release newer and stronger characters, eventually saving for the characters you like will become impossible. For example, I always liked Nahida and I wanted to get her eventually, but the last time we saw her I couldn't get her, and now I will have to skip her in favor of Mavuika, and I still need to get Xianyun. Triple banners are an option, but I think it might be better to have three phases instead of two, that way the weapon banner stays "reasonable". Lmk what you think, godspeed to you Juice!
I played during the initial two banners of genshin, i came back during 5.0 and i really liked Yoimiya's kit when i did inazuma's archon quest that shes apart of. Im now hoping she gets a rerun soon.
I think they just need multiple chronicled wishes that constantly rotate and characters being added to it after a certain amount of time/patches. Maybe be able to choose certain 4 stars that are in that banner as well
You know what?
I'm gonna pull Shenhe out of spite just to boost the spendings on her banner when she reruns.
And I'm a F2P btw
Also the non existent 4* characters pity system??? I remember pulling for kaveh on release and getting a ganyu and a baizu before getting him. I spent like 180+ wishes for C6 Kaveh and ended up with C1 and 2 five stars that I barely use
Chasca is destined to become the Wriothesely of Natlan.
The release schedule assures that she will be skipped, regardless of the character's qualities.
Triple banner would stress me but you're right, it's NEEDED.
As someone who loves physical damage and claymores but doesn't have Eula nor do I play the "meta", yeah, I would love 3 banners.
This game has sooo many 5* characters at this point it’s not the old days anymore, they really should add a 3rd banner or the chronicled wish needs to come back and go more often than once in a year or more than a year
Also what if they add a 4* banner changes every patch twice and you can use standard pulls on it or smth like that, that would be cool
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Wait I just realized that :O
I think the most common complain of the triple banner is the weapon banner, and how they would implement the 3rd weapon in there. Which imo they can just add it to the options for the fate point and that's it, ez solution
I honestly, don't think triple banner would work. It is just a band aid for the situation. I just think they should start adding units in the standard roster. Let say you have 20 units in the standard roster now you get to choose 10 of those that work be for your 50/50 and standard banner. Or use the original standard roster but have multiple guest standard for every patch. And Again, you can choose a certain amount of the roster.
you can't add a limited character in 50/50 when they are advertised as limited, i'm pretty sure it's illegal. chronicled was a loophole for them but they sure need to put it more often
@@godzdead that is really good point.
region-specific banners! been saying this from the start!
have two 5* that either appear in the main story of that area, or take that area's drops, and a handful of 4* with the same criteria. And every time the main character banners change, then the character pool changes on the region-specific banners. Anytime you finish the archon quest of a certain region, you unlock the rotating region's banner
boom. you now have a place for ALL characters, we all know they'll eventually appear there, there's less strain on the 4* situation, and we have a place for non-meta characters that people still want
ALL cryo characters has been forgotten for specific reason. Same shit was with electro pre inazuma. They are trying to make us forgot about element, so when new region is out we will be in awe with element. Cuz tbh cryo is the worst element in the game rn. So that's why wrio is not being rerun even tho he's pretty popular (still not ganyu or shenhe numbers tbh)
I still think having the option to rate up a 4 star character of your choice* in the standard banner would work. It’ll also give some more attention to the standard banner and people would also spend some money there rather than it just being the banner that people wish on just because they have some blue fates for free (in my case at least)
I honestly really like the idea of the chronicled banner. If they made it more transparent and made it keep its pity, I could actually see myself pulling on it (as a semi new player and low spender). If the rotations were faster (like having 3 limited 5 stars) it might be even less daunting, because I for example really want both wriothsley and shenhe, but what would happen if I couldn't get them for some reason, I would have to wait years to see them again which just the thought of it makes me sad
Another thing that isn't considered: lets say Baizhu sells poorly on the Furina banner, so we shouldn't rerun him because we'll make less money than if we just reran Neuvillette right?
Except with people spending less on Baizhu, they have more money to spend on Furina and more will pull for her or even her cons or weapon.
Let's say Wriothesley sells poorly, so he's a bad banner right? But the less people spend on him the more they've got saved up to whale on Furina. Maybe I didn't spend on Wrio so when Furina comes out I'm comfortable spending a bit extra on her, if she ran right after Neuvillette I might've spent a bunch and be unable or unwilling to spend much on Furina.
Basically less popular banners will make SOME money, they'll keep retention from fans who wanted to get them and couldn't, and they'll balance out when the big spender banners come out. They're almost required because if people don't have any skip options they'll run out of money and primos and burn out from missing every other character they want when they're all back to back to back bangers.
Basically with Juice saying triples could be scary for free to play, it's kinda a non issue because reruns will be more common so a free to play feels fine if they only get one of the three banners per patch, knowing the other two will rerun soon enough, and if they're lucky they could get up to three new characters instead of two.
I'd love for them to do that HSR banner where they put up the one main banner and then the other banner is a trio of past 5stars for us to choose from. I love that idea. It could potentially let us cycle between 5stars faster.
Rather than triple banners I'd prefer something along the lines of the Chronicled Wish banner, except without the scammyness.
If they made a permanent version of Chronicled Wish that carried over pity it would be great. The main problem that banner had was that you could theoretically spend 100+ wishes, not get what you want, and have all those wishes totally wasted when it went away. That's just idiotic and precisely why even though I would've loved to have finally gotten Mona after 4 years or Dehya's sig weapon, I refused to touch the thing.
actually, we might need soon. especially because they will keep doing the Archon rerun marathon, which means by the time we get the Tsaritsa, we'll get 7 patches of Archon rerun, and they will occupy 1 slot per patch automatically. versions only goes up to ~8 patches per version
Definitely think we need it - in the time that I've been playing (since very beginning of 2024, so not long) I have seen reruns of Raiden Shogun, Nahida(soon to be lol), Chiori, and Kazuha, while other characters that are less popular/less meta are sat gathering dust. I think these reruns make genuine sense - they are the characters that hoyo has relatively guaranteed pulls on and are especially enticing to anyone coming back to an old account after a long time as well as good value for new players. Having a triple limited banner that connects to the pity of the current ones would do wonders for rerun times, since there are absolutely characters that haven't seen the light of day for far too long.
There is admittedly a corner of my low spender heart that is concerned with my personal ability to remain low spending when its likely that the less popular characters I want on my account would start rerunning back to back on top of new characters, since I've been just barely able to keep up with the amount of wishes I need to get the characters I want and am rapidly running out of exploration primos, but it also means shorter wait times between reruns for every character (at least until the roster gets too big, but that's what chronicled wish would be for) so it wouldn't be as worrisome to skip a character knowing that they'll get a rerun in a reasonable amount of time rather than confined to hoyos basement
I honestly feel like a way to make it a little more bearable would be scrapping the standard banner and creating a new one that can act as the standard banner, just under a new name. Put every character that's been out for like 2? years or however many they see fit on it and they'll start acting as the new 50/50 characters. It'll make losing the 50/50 more bearable but also provide an opportunity to actually get characters which don't rerun often (though it'll be pure luck which might suck a little).
these characters could still get rate ups occasionally but there's less pressure since there's always a shot.
Or just put chronicled wish every update / every other update and let its pity carry over to the next one
With the chronicled wish, it's not 3 reruns, but 3 banners. So release, 1st rerun, and 2nd rerun. As long as they haven't rerun recently. Also, the next chronicled wish is said to be Liyue themed
I kinda liked how HSR did their triple banner with Robin, Black Swan and Kafka. I hope they add something like that
Meanwhile Heizou is still serving 25 to life
I think the solution would be 3 double banners each patch,2 weeks for each banner. If you want a character that bad you'd probably get them by day 1,this also gives more time to save for later characters in the patch cycle(plus,the most amount of gems is in the first 2 weeks of a patch anyways,so if you couldn't get the character in the first 14 days,the last 7 days wouldn't make a difference,so this also allows for the first banner characters to have a chance)
If we get triple banners that'll make the weapon banner odds basically impossible(25/75) to win and they already are very bad
They should implement a permanent chronicled wish that rotates in sync of the Imaginarium Theater but probably with less characters. The secret sauce for their sales that is FOMO will still be there since the amount of primos you get will still be the same so players who really want the characters may spend money for more pulls.
I'd like to see a permanent Chronicle banner that rotates regions every even patch, even if it's just the oldest regions. Something like 5.0 Mondstadt, 5.2 Liyue, 5.4 Inazuma, etc. It would be even better if it included the 4*. Need a c6 4* still after 3 - 4 years? You know they'll be on a Chronicle at least once a year.
Little correction at 2:55 its three banners in TOTAL, meaning there's the first release banner and then two re runs needed to meet qualifications for chronicled wish. But the point does indeed still stand. As of writing this Wriothesely, nor Shenhe would meet that qualification.
6:05
I was literally listening to this part while playing as my newly pulled Chiori. Love her
Honestly, with us approaching 100 characters, we're due for quadruple banners at this point.
HSR recently had a bamner where they had they're new Unit, FeiXiao, and in the rerun section, you could choose 1 of 3 rerun characters. Same deal with their Lightcones.
Honkai Impact 3rd also does this on occasion.
Chronacled Wish was an excellent step, but of course it only works if it actually gets used. Waiting more than a year for a rerun is absurd to me.
I have an idea to help the third banner concept: recall how star rail had the insane Feixiao and then Robin/Swan/Kafka Banner?
Make two SPLIT banners in the second half thats for only reruns like Part 2 of 5.2, we get Wrio/Shenhe as a banner then the second is...i dont know, Arlecchino/Emilie.
Basically release a double character banner where you select who you want to pull for, you pull them and go look at the second 5 star in the banner and its a perfect complimentary or alternate character to the first one.
It causes incentive to get more primos for the 5 stars to really diverse your options of comps, or just have more characters people WANT to run in cycle more often.
as for the 4 star issue...the only thing i can suggest, is both banners or even if they add just a third banner: the sets of three 4 stars is different for each banner.
Example: Raiden gets Sara, Bennet, Chevreuse
Emilie gets Thoma, xiangling, and maybe Collei or yaoyao, idk, someone to help with dendro burning that isnt just a 3rd pyro.
And then third gets a complimentary comp for themselves. Its just to help the 4 star issue and the fact some banners have 4 stars no one wants cause they are maxed out already or just dont work well with the featured 5 star.
I think the real problem here is the weapon banner again tbh. If they start doing triple banners (WHICH THEY SHOULD) then they have to put 3 limited weapons onto a single weapon banner as well. If they had made the weapons have separate banners from the beginning, then by now they would've done what HSR did recently for the Robin, Kafka and Black Swan rerun banner easily. I was on my usual break from Genshin when the chronicle banner was around, but even then I thought it was silly how it couldn't be around for the entire patch for everyone.
Thank goodness I pulled for Shenhe first banner lol I only wanted her cause I like her JP VA in FGO. Welp good luck to you guys tho.
It's damn time we get triple banners! Yes, it might creat a little more anxiety for f2p, but with the right prioritisation, it's still possible. If we also take into account, that Archons and more popular Chars get rerun more frequently, i thinks it's pretty okay to prioritize!
I've been saying this since last year
I love how you understand the value of Lyney. He has huge potential in a variety of situations to just blow up the opponent with his combo. Not to mention his constellations are all good!
I write this exact point on every survey. I totally agree with you that we need a third banner for older characters!! I want Ganyu Shenhe and Cyno. I dont care of they arent meta enough. And they make imaginariums with cryo however they dont give us cryo charas
I definitely agree that a 3rd banner would go crazy. Having 2 characters that sell while having a 3rd banner for less popular characters would be a step in the right direction. Especially considering just how many 5 stars there are now.
With as many characters as there are now I think triple banners could work. I'm a low spender but I also started playing this year and it would be nice to actually have a chance at getting some of the older characters.
I like when someone discuss about the banner condition rn. As we all know, recently the banner was absurd and someone have to talk about it.
I will be honest: on the concept, the chronicle wish banner could be a great replacement for triple banners and maybe even a better idea. The problem, however, is that it has so many issues that it doesn't fix anything.
Its purpose is to give older characters a greater opportunity to rerun, but considering that one of these restrictions is for said characters to be rerruned at least 3 times, means that some characters won't have a chance to appear.
I definitely love Chasca and she's definitely a major pull for me but considering how polarising she is she's probably also going to run into the issue of not having a rerun
They don’t need triple banner an easy fix for this is on the re run banner have a selector on what 5 star you want to roll for. So they can have as many rerun characters available as they want to run.