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Max, can you test real life test for multicore, since video editing will be much better on Lunar Lake, since it has much better Decoding and Encoding Hardware. Actually, most of the tests show that Lunar Lake is faster than Meteor Lake in real life editing video.
Unless you have other data, I think 46 vs. 43% battery is within the margin of error. There can be sample or run variations which are larger than 3%. I would consider the 2 equal in battery consumption and weigh multicore performance against risk of incompatibility.
Major benefit of Lunar Lake is Linux compatibility. That's what matters to me. Eventually that may change but it's still going to require custom boot loaders and what not.
i don't know how the battery life would be like on linux for lunar lake, technically linux supported arm for ages now, when the kernel will totally support the snapdragon chips, it will shine more than windows on arm i hope
So basically Intel's new gen just made Snapdragon irrelevant. A boost to multicore in arm optimized workloads isn't worth the lack of compatability. Identical real world performance and battery usage = Win for Intel.
But if you listen to this "reviewer" he still recommends the Snapdragon x elite despite not even running his favorite game and numerous compatibility issues. I can't with this guy, thought it was a parody 😂😂😂
@@rowaystarco I know, Intel is working with tsmc while they have to in order to stay alive, but in the future they plan on competing with tsmc as a foundry. Seems like this guy doesn't want them to live to see that.
Even more so, what does the increased theoretical graphic or compute power help me, if I want to play games. And yes I know there are different workloads from gaming, but also then everything normal will simply run on both machines.
Idk for reviewers but for consumers it's a long term investment. So compatibility is a major factor. Not only games but in x elite many apps are incompatible.
@PixelatedWolf2077 it'll be here on Monday, it's going to replace my current Lenovo slim that I bought in 2018. Lenovo offers good quality at reasonable prices
@@andresj89 Alrighty thanks for the recommendation! I own a Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Ultra(?) with an 11th Gen and it's battery is good, but the iGPU is bad so I can't use it for light video work. I'll look into the Lenovo ^^
5% in continuous testing.. but how well does intel hold up in standby... It has been an ongoing issue with windows and intel in battery drain in standby.
The funny thing about multicore performance on a machine that has 12 cores, unless you were specifically using the CPU to do 3-D rendering *without a GPU* (which you would probably never do professionally) there’s very few cases where you’re going to spin up 12 cores.
Yea, these are for Thin & Light laptops People who do 3D, rendering, multitasking professionally should get a bigger laptop with GPU, a desktop PC, or work on dev servers. These small laptops are mainly for light daily use like, web browsing, streaming, office document work, casual gaming, etc.
People dismiss the multicore saying few applications use it, but modern operating system rely on multitasking, so multicore does definitely affect your experience using the system.
I can almost guarantee that Lunar Lake will be faster. Video editing can take advantage of the iGPU on the Intel laptop. The iGPU on the Qualcomm laptop is much inferior.
One thing to point out is that the X Elite only exists thanks to the people that made the M series chips on Apple devices. Lunar Lake being x86, AND competing close to the power/efficiency of X Elite, while having pressure against AMD is a major accomplishment for a company that people were considering that it was lagging far behind. It literally took them 4 years to catch up from Apple, and less than a year to catch up to Snapdragon. without the help of any of the arm team. Not just catching up, but also exceeding in some benchmarks. That's pretty dang impressive in my book. I'd also call that a win.
@@rowaystarcohow much of that fact means anything to the customer. A working pc is far more important than a working pc on intel node. Do you even hear yourself?
Are you kidding me that you left out real game testing just because a single game didn't run? Now I have to spend extra time to find an actually proper review.
@@mouna5252elle not only youtubers do video editing there are a lot of people working in a lot of artistic fields that would need at some point to do some editing, and i'm not even talking about people that could do this for anything else than youtube / not working in artistic field anyways, not a big loss not having the benchmark of those adobe software (+ adobe sucks as a company), but would still have been a good thing for data purpose
@@amigosan i get it but these guys would need to get a desktop for the best experience and speed + any modern laptop can handle editing with acceptable speed so no need for this benchmark if you're making money out of it just get a desktop for better productivity that means more money for you
@@mouna5252elle yeah you're correct, those laptops are not meant for heavy workloads, and such people should only use those for occasionnal, light editing for sure and if anyone needs a laptop to be his only computer (which will be used for "heavy" work) then of course he should invest in a computer wiht specs that will fulfill his needs, and not an ultra portable that is targeting efficiency etc...
Lol @ 46% vs 43% battery life, with numbers that close it doesn't matter! Only a smart person would choose the Inte Lunar Lake, this guy says "if you don't want any issues then you get the Intel Lunar Lake laptop" of course, why would anybody get the Snapdragon X laptop when it's only 3% better battery life but has issues with applications... nobody should be recommending Snapdragon X laptops.
Plus, Dell XPS 14 has the Nvidia RTX 4060 GPU to cover GPU intensive work and some gaming on the side. The CPU side should preserve the battery longer.
The battery is inaccurate, you restarted one PC and played League of Legends on the other. Woh and behold, the one you played league of legends on has a lower battery than the one that had a second of rest.
That’s actually misleading. Way beforehand, he had did the multicore Cinebench tests, after which the X Elite Laptop had 72% and Lunar lake Laptop started to trail with 70% battery life. He literally restarted once (which literally takes less than 2 seconds for modern laptops, and has minimal to zero influence on battery life tests). He never played LoL on the Lunar Lake. And literally the Lunar Lake only trailed by around 3% (even if you want to factor in the restart) it would theoretically trail by 2% in the end…
Both chips are looking fantastic. I am seeing some VERY deep discounts on X Elite laptops at Best Buy from time to time (like the Slim 7x for $800) that have won me over. Saving $600 over the Lunar Lake competitors was a good trade off for the app compatibility.
It's a hard sell for the snapdragon. Not that it's not a good processor, but the compatibility issues is the decisive dealbreaker. Apple could do it because they have complete control over hardware and software, but for Microsoft/ARM devices it's a different story. The news is Intel and AMD are joining forces to defend the x86 architecture. As long as there is x86 processors in the future, developers won't take porting software for ARM processors seriously.
Lunar Lake is Intel's response not just to Qualcomm's X-Elite/Plus chips, but primarily to the Apple's Mx series chips which they copy with the RAM on package. Obviously the result of that effort is successful and we can now see x86 CISC chips almost as efficient as Arm RISC counterparts while offering unprecedented legacy support. Competition is good😉👍
Meh... it's apples to oranges right now. The Snapdragon products are for a more narrow segment of consumers whereas Lunar Lake is the more appropriate choice for most. That may change in the future, but I'd be really careful about spending that much money if the product doesn't meet your needs today.
let's wait and see how arm laptops go (software wise and also the new rumored nvidia/mediatek chips coming out in 2025) , but for now, Lunar lake is my go to chip
pNot going to lie, watching this on my Snapdragon X Plus surface Pro and kind of worried. I think Lunar lake took the win here personally but still happy with what I’ve got. I hope ARM on windows continues to take off and maybe can coexist with X84. For my use case the X Plus and X Elite chips are real good I think Skype is the only app not running native. Thanks for the content 👍🏾
I'd rather take the Dell XPS 13 Lunar Lake because it has full X86 software compatibility and Thunderbolt 4 ports (guaranteed floor of 32 Gbps data transfer speed). In all fairness, the Snapdragon X Elite destroys it in multi-core CPU performance by over 30%. If someone wants to stay with general web browsing and limited work apps (please double check), then this might be the better long-term option. Apps and software that work: Python, C#, Visual Studio IDE, Visual Studio code, Office 365 apps, Power BI, Azure Cloud, Brave browser, and Edge browser.
your review style misinforms the viewer in different directions, it is marginal in all areas and yet over excited in small minuscule gains, this over hypes a product.
You should run what people run on these machines, as they are light and small laptops. And who renders on the CPU? Use GPU rendering for a real world test.
Well Intel was slacking off the last year. I did like Intel 12th gen CPUs. Not efficient, but powerful if you work an office job and are rarely unplugged.
i actually made my father buy the xps 13 and he absolutely loves the portability, screen, and almost evrything of it, great laptop, dell has done a good job with the new one too
@@erkil1996well unless you're having compatibility issues then you got slightly better battery and significantly better multi core performance. If you have compatibility issues then yeah it stings a bit more
Does anyone see the obvious fact that all these chips are now manufactured by TSMC ….M4….Elite…Lunar Lake and AMD’s chips…and they all perform about the same …just different designs 🤔
@@jonathanng138I will agree with that, lunar lake sucks and Intel needs to stop lying and gaslighting us to try and make us believe x86 has caught up anywhere close to arm in performance to efficiency because every time they fail and I just laugh at people who actually believe Intel claims at this point, when they screw us over and over again yet people still trust them
There's already test versions of the Prism emulator (windows 11) that improves combatiblity for a bunch of software and games. Support for AVX, AVX2 and a bunch more. So Microsoft is working on compatibilty.
I wonder why Gerald William III left apple to build SOCs for Qualcomm. Whatever his reasons are thank you for helping windows with such efficient chips.
Excellent comparison and very objective assessment. I like arm processors and was able to get many of the games I like to play to run on the previous generation Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 SoC which has around 50% of the performance of a Snapdragon X Elite, but the choice really does come down to applications you run, and if x86 / x64 compatibility matters, Lunar Lake has to be the choice for the present. App compatibility with arm processors should improve, but I am really surprised that Microsoft and Qualcomm don't appear to be making a lot more effort with regards this, especially now Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite Dev Kit has been cancelled over production issues.
If you need x86 compatibility and energy efficient, go for Lunar Lake. If you care less about x86 compatibility, go for an M series MacBook. It has much more native programs than Arm based Windows laptops as well as better emulation performance. Even the game performance is better on M3 Macs than X Elite.
Really nice test in general but… For me and as a programmer I would like to see tests related to software development, compiling,code execution time etc.
Thanks for this test ! Do you think you could make something a LOT of people thinking about snapdragon : The "Snappiness" ? Would that be possible to make a small VS on that part (don't know how). That's would be great !!! Thanks a lot for all of this.
i own a MacBook Pro m3 Pro 16 inch and a Surface Pro 11 with a Snapdragon. All i need is efficiency and more important battery life. Heavier work i push to my MacBook, but a lot of these chips with windows have truly improved with power and efficiency. And battery life obviously is amazing
Im looking for more 14inch amd xh 370 laptops review. Max tech could you add to your review how laptops behave with 2 external monitors 4k plus 1080p ? No one doing that but I think it could be interesting to benchmark laptops with external monitors and how performance drop due to higher resolutions (combining displays). Best regards.
Bro no dell did not do a good job on the xps, the lack of physical function keys kills it for me and no physical escape key is pretty much a no go for the field I work in, they could have kept the physical esc and function keys and put a fancy Haptic Touch Bar above I guess but not this
Basic usual day usage (not running benchmark tests or stress tests) the lunar lake gets arguably better battery life and overall better experience as it has no problem with games and apps. Itll take a while for snapdragon to catch up in compatibility. Lunar lake all the way as its amazing performance when not directly compared, arguably better battery life and comprable to apple silicon and there are no compatibility issues
3% battery difference vs whole lot compatibility issues, I'll take lunar lake any day.
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Just to put the "slow" 10.582 multicore CPU geekbench into perspektive: My 2019 Macbook pro (last and biggest Intel chip) scores at 6.468 with 8 cores and 16 threads (i9 2,4). And this thing is not slow. Don't talk about overheating. ;-) But not slow. So 10.582 would mean almost 40% more multicore performance. And for single core it is even double as fast. 1376 (2019 Macbook) vs. 2731 on the Lunar Lake. And the Lunar Lake is not the top of the line in this video. So: I am impressed!
Arm is not the savior. I think there's a misconception with this. People think Arm has better battery because they use it for simple tasks and watered down versions of the same thing that are optimized for phones and tablets so they assume arm is better for battery life. However if you try to run the exact same os and apps then you will get worse or the same battery life.
Woah!!! You need to tell people that Snapdragon just cancelled their developer kit for the X Elite! This was already *six months* late and they pulled it *2 days* after it had finally gone out. This is a HUGE DEAL as it is a massive setback for Windows on ARM development by third party developers that are supposed to be developing their applications & games etc to make the X Elite able to run more of them. This pushes that availability back by many many months - well into next year in many cases. This means all these launch Snapdragon laptops are lame ducks and not really worth buying. Get a Lunar Lake laptop instead and enjoy similar extended battery life without any compatibility issues. Snapdragon have really blown the launch. It will be next year and the next generation of X Elite CPUs before this situation will likely improve. You guys should make a new video to address this - people are going to be pissed after all the Snapdragon hype. Anyone that bought a Snapdragon laptop at those inflated launch prices has got badly burned.
This is all false. The point of the dev kit is to give devs something to test on before consumer stuff comes out. Now that snapdragon laptops are readily available the dev kit has no purpose. It does NOT mean developers can’t make ARM apps anymore.
@Garrus-w2h that’s not my point. Snapdragon launched all the X Elite Co-Pilot laptops showing logos of apps and games that it said were being developed for Windows on ARM and that has been proven to have been untrue to a great extent. The laptops themselves have many strong points - I seriously considered buying a Surface myself. But as every reviewer has pointed out, their major limitation currently is the non-availability of enough compatible software. What is becoming apparent is that 3rd party developers are like 6-9mths behind where they should be and support from Snapdragon and Microsoft has simply not been forthcoming. This means laptop owners won’t see many of these games and applications until later next year which means they are much less desirable now. So anyone in the market should get an x86 laptop instead or wait a year and see how the compatibility situation improves. Either way, expect these launch laptops to be heavily discounted in the next few months.
@@kallaway1 The dev kit is meant to be a way more useful platform than the consumer laptops which is why Snapdragon persevered with it months after the consumer launch and why devs kept their orders in for it. Watch Jeff Geerling’s video for more info as he covers all these points in great detail.
@Garrus-w2h can run more games on a new machine than on an old one? Duh... Also lunar lake is atleast 30%+ faster than your old thin and light laptop to play games. It is faster than Qualcomm to play games. Idk what you are even trying to talk about
@Garrus-w2hfirst of all, wildlife is more of an arm thing. Second intel gpu is objectively better. Plus has more compatibility. I know why you'd defend arm because you just bought one so you are coping. It's fine but don't twist teh facts. Plus games care more about single core performance than multicore. Productivity apps need multicore.
@Garrus-w2hfirst of all, wildlife is more of an arm thing. Second intel gpu is objectively better. Plus has more compatibility. I know why you'd defend arm because you just bought one so you are coping. It's fine but don't twist teh facts. Plus games care more about single core performance than multicore. Productivity apps need multicore.
@Garrus-w2h and didn't you see LoL not working? Benchmark vs games working. Are you really asking me if I watched the video? Also I have watched reviews on both these laptops and wanna know what I have seen? For gaming you cannot use Qualcomm. And early launch vids even showed outright problems with many applications. Idk if they are good now but I will not get that with x86.
The support is just for the sake of time as more people buy into arm, the devs are going. To support it which will make it a better value proposition for the future models. Right now, it doesn’t look good for it for sure
what else can I do other than browsing, basic editing on a X Elite..., Nearly 80% software and games doesn't run on it., What is the use to have a battery and speed when X Elite says I will run only this and compete with that.
Would be great to have “geek” section at the end of the videos where you install Linux distribution and run Phoronix set of tests. If I want this machine for work not for mindless games - that content pretty much does not exist.
I’m still begging someone to do a comparison of Windows running in Parallels on an M3 Pro MacBook Pro allocated similar specs to a Snapdragon Windows laptop. So a MacBook Pro M3 Pro with 32 GB of RAM, 16 dedicated to Windows. A Snapdragon Arm laptop with 16 gigs of RAM. And dedicate the same number of cores in the CPU and GPU or as close as possible.
Never seen completely fair comparison like this. Then which one's better? Depends on the usage... One is faster but has compatibility issue with x86 based app, while the other is fully capable to any apps but slower in multi core. In terms of best chip in 2024, upcoming M4 chips will beat all recent laptop chips, so don't worry, This kind of comparison is only for Windows sector. We'll see the best laptop in the world as soon as Apple release M4 MBP, unless if you're gamer, Windows lover or has to be affordable.
Yet they'll still only sell a fraction of the units dell, hp or lenovo sell even at the same price point. As long as they keep offering 8GB ram 256GB ssd in their base models and charging $400 to upgrade or they keep making macos so closed and restrictive, their sales will not grow no matter how good their laptop chips are.
Qualcomm is faster if you are running specific multi thread optimized applications. Most applications around are not multi thread optimized and many cannot be made multi thread optimized. Single thread performance seems better on intel, so for most laptop applications, intel will be faster.
My Macbook Air M1 scores ST: 109 and MT: 390 in Cinebench R24. Passive cooling and 4y old... Nice to see competition catch up after 4 years and with active cooling. 😀😀
I returned one of these a year ago because it got crazy hot on the surface. Needless to say about the underneath. I wonder if it has improved since then.
So..... A 12 core Snapdragon processor versus an 8 core Intel processor? And then the difference between Intel's 4 efficiency cores and 4 performance cores versus 12 performance cores in Snapdragon? These chips are so different why are they even being compared? Also a 3% difference in battery remaining at the end of your test is not notable at all why are you making a big deal about it?
Multi threaded cpu performance scores are not very relevant for laptop users. I also didn't feel that the 3% difference in battery is going to matter for most users. In my books, Snapdragon is a DOA, unfortunately.
I'll give it a couple more years before buying an ARM PC. Hopefully comparibility issues would have been mostly resolved by then. I'll stick to AMD for now.
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@@sharnabiswas4435 No.
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Max, can you test real life test for multicore, since video editing will be much better on Lunar Lake, since it has much better Decoding and Encoding Hardware. Actually, most of the tests show that Lunar Lake is faster than Meteor Lake in real life editing video.
Unless you have other data, I think 46 vs. 43% battery is within the margin of error. There can be sample or run variations which are larger than 3%. I would consider the 2 equal in battery consumption and weigh multicore performance against risk of incompatibility.
Even worse, he unplugged the Lunar Lake laptop before the Snapdragon one.
Major benefit of Lunar Lake is Linux compatibility. That's what matters to me. Eventually that may change but it's still going to require custom boot loaders and what not.
Oh, I forgot about the Linux distro options. Even greater win for Intel Lunar Lake.
You can build a Linux tunnel in Source forge Repo and create your own OS image, but Luna Lake is already done.
i don't know how the battery life would be like on linux for lunar lake, technically linux supported arm for ages now, when the kernel will totally support the snapdragon chips, it will shine more than windows on arm i hope
Why not WSL? It should be well supported on ARM.
Soon Linux will be better on Snapdragon, because of the number of software made for ARsm on Linux, also Qualcomm is invested in Linux
You missed one important difference, Lunar lake laptop support 99.9% more games and software than the x elite .
you missed one important part of the video, see 8:43
just for now, until Steam is working to create a steam deck with ARM
Until Nvidia starts making CPUs with Mediteck 🗿
How unfortunate that we valuable high quality guys dont give a shit about gaming. Take the L x86 and get a real pc thats ARM64 based
@@PKperformanceEU They are used to testing Apple, so they know nothing about games. Actually they tested LoL. :)
So basically Intel's new gen just made Snapdragon irrelevant. A boost to multicore in arm optimized workloads isn't worth the lack of compatability. Identical real world performance and battery usage = Win for Intel.
But if you listen to this "reviewer" he still recommends the Snapdragon x elite despite not even running his favorite game and numerous compatibility issues. I can't with this guy, thought it was a parody 😂😂😂
@@elrondes1 I think he's praying on the downfall of Intel. He wants all tech to be from Taiwan.
@@stresslessflex6389 These Lunar Lake chips are based on TSMC chips though.
@@rowaystarco I know, Intel is working with tsmc while they have to in order to stay alive, but in the future they plan on competing with tsmc as a foundry. Seems like this guy doesn't want them to live to see that.
@@stresslessflex6389 I welcome all competition, that's why the new ARM windows chips are important as well.
Compatibility outweighs the extra performance by far though
Eventually apps will be compatible, in 2025 we will have a rain of ARM chips in laptops and the apps that are left out will be replaced over time...
@@iagomorandi6543 but a lot of apps will still not get updated and games :(
@@iagomorandi6543 for now I can't accept eventually. I want it to support now, if it is not, then it's useless for me.
@@iagomorandi6543 Qualcomm cancelled snapdragon dev kits
@@iagomorandi6543we will never have, snapdragon is backing off after the sales cut off
Finally some non-Apple content. Thanks!
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Was waiting for someone to compare these two, thank you :)
Yeah, the no compatibility issue is a greater pro than twenty minutes more of battery life.
You should probably run a laptop in balanced mode anyway, not performance... 😅
Even more so, what does the increased theoretical graphic or compute power help me, if I want to play games.
And yes I know there are different workloads from gaming, but also then everything normal will simply run on both machines.
Arm’s biggest pro was battery life. When the lunar lakes exist there’s no poiny in getting snapdragon anymore 🙆🏻♀️
AMD Ryzen strix point: Am I a joke to you?
Apple M4 says hi.
@@infernal-toadkinda yes
Idk for reviewers but for consumers it's a long term investment. So compatibility is a major factor. Not only games but in x elite many apps are incompatible.
I bought a Lunar Lake Lenovo with 32 GB of RAM and 1TB of storage for 1340USD
How is it so far?
@PixelatedWolf2077 it'll be here on Monday, it's going to replace my current Lenovo slim that I bought in 2018. Lenovo offers good quality at reasonable prices
Please test the difference plugged and unplugged and fan noise if you can. Thanks
Right with you bud. Also did the same. Arm can dig itself a grave.
@@andresj89 Alrighty thanks for the recommendation! I own a Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Ultra(?) with an 11th Gen and it's battery is good, but the iGPU is bad so I can't use it for light video work.
I'll look into the Lenovo ^^
Some 5% difference in battery life in exchange for tons of compatibility issues? Nope, sorry, Snapdragon, not this time.
Also, isn't the Intel laptop's display a lot brighter in this video? WTF? That totally screws up the battery test.
5% in continuous testing.. but how well does intel hold up in standby... It has been an ongoing issue with windows and intel in battery drain in standby.
@@1974bestpretty good if you test it yourself
I've been scrolling for days. Waiting for a comparison!! Finally i found u. Can u plz do more indepth such as macbook 3 vs lunar
Yes we already did M3 MacBook vs Lunar Lake
The funny thing about multicore performance on a machine that has 12 cores, unless you were specifically using the CPU to do 3-D rendering *without a GPU* (which you would probably never do professionally) there’s very few cases where you’re going to spin up 12 cores.
Yea, these are for Thin & Light laptops
People who do 3D, rendering, multitasking professionally should get a bigger laptop with GPU, a desktop PC, or work on dev servers. These small laptops are mainly for light daily use like, web browsing, streaming, office document work, casual gaming, etc.
People dismiss the multicore saying few applications use it, but modern operating system rely on multitasking, so multicore does definitely affect your experience using the system.
@@DielsonSalesyou should just run heavy multithreaded applications on a different laptop
Nothing about video editing and Lightroom exporting, almost the only things which matter to me 🙃
Agreed bruh
I can almost guarantee that Lunar Lake will be faster. Video editing can take advantage of the iGPU on the Intel laptop. The iGPU on the Qualcomm laptop is much inferior.
@@LouisDuran What I actually think too but I would like to see it in a real comparison 😊
From other reviews, Intel Lunar Lake does well in photo editing work. 2nd best to MacBooks.
@@akin242002 Thanks 👍🏻
One thing to point out is that the X Elite only exists thanks to the people that made the M series chips on Apple devices. Lunar Lake being x86, AND competing close to the power/efficiency of X Elite, while having pressure against AMD is a major accomplishment for a company that people were considering that it was lagging far behind. It literally took them 4 years to catch up from Apple, and less than a year to catch up to Snapdragon. without the help of any of the arm team. Not just catching up, but also exceeding in some benchmarks.
That's pretty dang impressive in my book. I'd also call that a win.
But with the use of chips from TSMC, as their own "home built" chips are not good enough.
@@rowaystarcohow much of that fact means anything to the customer. A working pc is far more important than a working pc on intel node. Do you even hear yourself?
They canceled the snapdragon dev kit…so I would be Leary about future compatibility with software on windows on ARM….
@@SuperMachead1 Snapdragon desktop chip comming soon
@@inamulbhuyan what’s the difference between the desktop and the laptop ?…and why is that relevant?
Devkit is not needed anymore since there are plenty of options from other OEMs.
They will just release mini PC with OEMs
You can use any retail unit as a dev kit
Are you kidding me that you left out real game testing just because a single game didn't run? Now I have to spend extra time to find an actually proper review.
No video editing test? No data transfer speed no lightroom test no photoshop test?
Not everyone does editing like you?
Video editing ? Are u a youtuber ? Well most people arnt this review is made for real people use case not for the yutuber's one
@@mouna5252elle not only youtubers do video editing
there are a lot of people working in a lot of artistic fields that would need at some point to do some editing, and i'm not even talking about people that could do this for anything else than youtube / not working in artistic field
anyways, not a big loss not having the benchmark of those adobe software (+ adobe sucks as a company), but would still have been a good thing for data purpose
@@amigosan i get it but these guys would need to get a desktop for the best experience and speed + any modern laptop can handle editing with acceptable speed so no need for this benchmark if you're making money out of it just get a desktop for better productivity that means more money for you
@@mouna5252elle yeah you're correct, those laptops are not meant for heavy workloads, and such people should only use those for occasionnal, light editing for sure
and if anyone needs a laptop to be his only computer (which will be used for "heavy" work) then of course he should invest in a computer wiht specs that will fulfill his needs, and not an ultra portable that is targeting efficiency etc...
Lol @ 46% vs 43% battery life, with numbers that close it doesn't matter! Only a smart person would choose the Inte Lunar Lake, this guy says "if you don't want any issues then you get the Intel Lunar Lake laptop" of course, why would anybody get the Snapdragon X laptop when it's only 3% better battery life but has issues with applications... nobody should be recommending Snapdragon X laptops.
you forgot the performance in multicore... 33% is quite a bit...
Can you compare webcam also ? I want to see the ISP of these SoC's…
I'm excited for the xps 14 with lunar lake, the larger chassis should allow for better thermal headroom and longer battery life.
Plus, Dell XPS 14 has the Nvidia RTX 4060 GPU to cover GPU intensive work and some gaming on the side. The CPU side should preserve the battery longer.
The battery is inaccurate, you restarted one PC and played League of Legends on the other. Woh and behold, the one you played league of legends on has a lower battery than the one that had a second of rest.
Wrong. He didn't play the game on the ultra model it was just sitting idle.
That’s actually misleading. Way beforehand, he had did the multicore Cinebench tests, after which the X Elite Laptop had 72% and Lunar lake Laptop started to trail with 70% battery life. He literally restarted once (which literally takes less than 2 seconds for modern laptops, and has minimal to zero influence on battery life tests). He never played LoL on the Lunar Lake. And literally the Lunar Lake only trailed by around 3% (even if you want to factor in the restart) it would theoretically trail by 2% in the end…
Rebooting a device actually takes even more energy than any other workloads…
@@silliesttitan7668 He didn't play LoL. In case you didn't notice, he launched the game and then closed it.
Both chips are looking fantastic. I am seeing some VERY deep discounts on X Elite laptops at Best Buy from time to time (like the Slim 7x for $800) that have won me over. Saving $600 over the Lunar Lake competitors was a good trade off for the app compatibility.
It's a hard sell for the snapdragon. Not that it's not a good processor, but the compatibility issues is the decisive dealbreaker. Apple could do it because they have complete control over hardware and software, but for Microsoft/ARM devices it's a different story. The news is Intel and AMD are joining forces to defend the x86 architecture. As long as there is x86 processors in the future, developers won't take porting software for ARM processors seriously.
Lunar Lake is Intel's response not just to Qualcomm's X-Elite/Plus chips, but primarily to the Apple's Mx series chips which they copy with the RAM on package. Obviously the result of that effort is successful and we can now see x86 CISC chips almost as efficient as Arm RISC counterparts while offering unprecedented legacy support. Competition is good😉👍
Meh... it's apples to oranges right now. The Snapdragon products are for a more narrow segment of consumers whereas Lunar Lake is the more appropriate choice for most. That may change in the future, but I'd be really careful about spending that much money if the product doesn't meet your needs today.
let's wait and see how arm laptops go (software wise and also the new rumored nvidia/mediatek chips coming out in 2025) , but for now, Lunar lake is my go to chip
pNot going to lie, watching this on my Snapdragon X Plus surface Pro and kind of worried. I think Lunar lake took the win here personally but still happy with what I’ve got. I hope ARM on windows continues to take off and maybe can coexist with X84. For my use case the X Plus and X Elite chips are real good I think Skype is the only app not running native.
Thanks for the content 👍🏾
I'd rather take the Dell XPS 13 Lunar Lake because it has full X86 software compatibility and Thunderbolt 4 ports (guaranteed floor of 32 Gbps data transfer speed).
In all fairness, the Snapdragon X Elite destroys it in multi-core CPU performance by over 30%. If someone wants to stay with general web browsing and limited work apps (please double check), then this might be the better long-term option. Apps and software that work: Python, C#, Visual Studio IDE, Visual Studio code, Office 365 apps, Power BI, Azure Cloud, Brave browser, and Edge browser.
your review style misinforms the viewer in different directions, it is marginal in all areas and yet over excited in small minuscule gains, this over hypes a product.
You should run what people run on these machines, as they are light and small laptops. And who renders on the CPU? Use GPU rendering for a real world test.
I like the renewed emphasis on Windows machines on the channel. It was tooooooo much Apple for an extended period of time. Keep it up.
With the malicious acts by Msoft, I'd like to see some Linux, too. I see some people moving to Linux in this period, for good reasons.
Well Intel was slacking off the last year. I did like Intel 12th gen CPUs. Not efficient, but powerful if you work an office job and are rarely unplugged.
i actually made my father buy the xps 13 and he absolutely loves the portability, screen, and almost evrything of it, great laptop, dell has done a good job with the new one too
What a punch in the face for the people that bought an Snapdragon laptop...
Including me
@@erkil1996well unless you're having compatibility issues then you got slightly better battery and significantly better multi core performance. If you have compatibility issues then yeah it stings a bit more
it was known for years that LunarLake could be a gamechanger for Intel.
Does anyone see the obvious fact that all these chips are now manufactured by TSMC ….M4….Elite…Lunar Lake and AMD’s chips…and they all perform about the same …just different designs 🤔
Have you noticed that Apple has destroyed the competition?
@@maxweinbach3996its not as big of a lead as y'all make it seem.
@@kjellbeatsIt's pretty big a M1 from 2021 still beats a 2024 Lunar Lake
It's not a matter of performance, it's a matter of efficiency and performance per watt which Apple has all the competition beat.
@@jonathanng138I will agree with that, lunar lake sucks and Intel needs to stop lying and gaslighting us to try and make us believe x86 has caught up anywhere close to arm in performance to efficiency because every time they fail and I just laugh at people who actually believe Intel claims at this point, when they screw us over and over again yet people still trust them
XElite is really good, Qualcom needs to sort out comparability issues and graphics performance in next generation.
There's already test versions of the Prism emulator (windows 11) that improves combatiblity for a bunch of software and games. Support for AVX, AVX2 and a bunch more. So Microsoft is working on compatibilty.
I wonder why Gerald William III left apple to build SOCs for Qualcomm. Whatever his reasons are thank you for helping windows with such efficient chips.
Intel has done a great job 👍 it can run any game I would choose Intel any day
snapdragon costs 899 as compared to 1399 for the 258v at best buy right now.
pretty decent for the money honestly
Question: why is sanpdragon selling for less?
Answer: Supply and demand.
Excellent comparison and very objective assessment. I like arm processors and was able to get many of the games I like to play to run on the previous generation Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 SoC which has around 50% of the performance of a Snapdragon X Elite, but the choice really does come down to applications you run, and if x86 / x64 compatibility matters, Lunar Lake has to be the choice for the present. App compatibility with arm processors should improve, but I am really surprised that Microsoft and Qualcomm don't appear to be making a lot more effort with regards this, especially now Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite Dev Kit has been cancelled over production issues.
If you need x86 compatibility and energy efficient, go for Lunar Lake. If you care less about x86 compatibility, go for an M series MacBook. It has much more native programs than Arm based Windows laptops as well as better emulation performance. Even the game performance is better on M3 Macs than X Elite.
Really nice test in general but… For me and as a programmer I would like to see tests related to software development, compiling,code execution time etc.
9:32 Should be bc of anticheat. Anticheat is not yet supported on ARM PC chips.
For me both showed similar performance. Battery definitely speaks for xelite but until snapdragon works on linux I ain't buying that.
Battery life is really close. I dont see a reason to go for one or the other based on Battery life.
Question - what is the best design studio based out of California?
500 designs 😂
compare m3 air vs lunar lake with 16gb ram 512gb ssd if you can also keep x elite.
Thanks for this test !
Do you think you could make something a LOT of people thinking about snapdragon : The "Snappiness" ?
Would that be possible to make a small VS on that part (don't know how). That's would be great !!!
Thanks a lot for all of this.
I was waiting for this 🔥🔥
That's why competition is so important! Intel and AMD were years selling underpowered processors for ridiculous prices, and now they had to catch up.
i own a MacBook Pro m3 Pro 16 inch and a Surface Pro 11 with a Snapdragon. All i need is efficiency and more important battery life. Heavier work i push to my MacBook, but a lot of these chips with windows have truly improved with power and efficiency. And battery life obviously is amazing
Im looking for more 14inch amd xh 370 laptops review. Max tech could you add to your review how laptops behave with 2 external monitors 4k plus 1080p ? No one doing that but I think it could be interesting to benchmark laptops with external monitors and how performance drop due to higher resolutions (combining displays). Best regards.
Bro no dell did not do a good job on the xps, the lack of physical function keys kills it for me and no physical escape key is pretty much a no go for the field I work in, they could have kept the physical esc and function keys and put a fancy Haptic Touch Bar above I guess but not this
Basic usual day usage (not running benchmark tests or stress tests) the lunar lake gets arguably better battery life and overall better experience as it has no problem with games and apps. Itll take a while for snapdragon to catch up in compatibility. Lunar lake all the way as its amazing performance when not directly compared, arguably better battery life and comprable to apple silicon and there are no compatibility issues
Yeah, Lunar Lake catching up to Snapdragon X means people will notice compatibility more than performance
Lunar Lake wins
if I change to a new pc, I'll choose intel because of software compatibility.
Looking forward to that delicious Core Ultra Series 2 Surface Pro!
Yes it is coming very soon.
I just love this channel
It's also worth noting that Samsung discounted their 14" Snapdragon laptop to like $799. That definitely changes things.
3% battery difference vs whole lot compatibility issues, I'll take lunar lake any day.
Just to put the "slow" 10.582 multicore CPU geekbench into perspektive: My 2019 Macbook pro (last and biggest Intel chip) scores at 6.468 with 8 cores and 16 threads (i9 2,4). And this thing is not slow. Don't talk about overheating. ;-) But not slow. So 10.582 would mean almost 40% more multicore performance. And for single core it is even double as fast. 1376 (2019 Macbook) vs. 2731 on the Lunar Lake. And the Lunar Lake is not the top of the line in this video. So: I am impressed!
X Elite is decently. But I would never get Windows device without x86 😅
Why there was no coding, photo and video editing benchmark ?
@@sameersheriff7078 supoorts Davinci resolve
if u want coding wathc Alex Ziskind he did a battery test with all laptops (althoughnot the newer lunar lake
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@@sameersheriff7078 That's not true for coding and video editing all the apps I am aware of run natively on ARM
the 3% difference in battery probably because of the game which started by the Intel x86 while the ARM snapdragon couldnt start
Arm is not the savior. I think there's a misconception with this. People think Arm has better battery because they use it for simple tasks and watered down versions of the same thing that are optimized for phones and tablets so they assume arm is better for battery life. However if you try to run the exact same os and apps then you will get worse or the same battery life.
Can you also compare Lunar Lake with Meteor Lake Dell XPS?
Woah!!! You need to tell people that Snapdragon just cancelled their developer kit for the X Elite! This was already *six months* late and they pulled it *2 days* after it had finally gone out. This is a HUGE DEAL as it is a massive setback for Windows on ARM development by third party developers that are supposed to be developing their applications & games etc to make the X Elite able to run more of them. This pushes that availability back by many many months - well into next year in many cases.
This means all these launch Snapdragon laptops are lame ducks and not really worth buying. Get a Lunar Lake laptop instead and enjoy similar extended battery life without any compatibility issues. Snapdragon have really blown the launch. It will be next year and the next generation of X Elite CPUs before this situation will likely improve.
You guys should make a new video to address this - people are going to be pissed after all the Snapdragon hype. Anyone that bought a Snapdragon laptop at those inflated launch prices has got badly burned.
@Garrus-w2h Did you watch Jeff Geerling’s Dev Kit review yet? 😏
This is all false. The point of the dev kit is to give devs something to test on before consumer stuff comes out. Now that snapdragon laptops are readily available the dev kit has no purpose. It does NOT mean developers can’t make ARM apps anymore.
@Garrus-w2h that’s not my point. Snapdragon launched all the X Elite Co-Pilot laptops showing logos of apps and games that it said were being developed for Windows on ARM and that has been proven to have been untrue to a great extent. The laptops themselves have many strong points - I seriously considered buying a Surface myself. But as every reviewer has pointed out, their major limitation currently is the non-availability of enough compatible software. What is becoming apparent is that 3rd party developers are like 6-9mths behind where they should be and support from Snapdragon and Microsoft has simply not been forthcoming. This means laptop owners won’t see many of these games and applications until later next year which means they are much less desirable now. So anyone in the market should get an x86 laptop instead or wait a year and see how the compatibility situation improves. Either way, expect these launch laptops to be heavily discounted in the next few months.
@@kallaway1 The dev kit is meant to be a way more useful platform than the consumer laptops which is why Snapdragon persevered with it months after the consumer launch and why devs kept their orders in for it. Watch Jeff Geerling’s video for more info as he covers all these points in great detail.
@Garrus-w2hYeah, tell the guy above that cannot use his printer that the compatibility is great.
X86 chip what a come back
@Garrus-w2h good luck for gaming .
@Garrus-w2h can run more games on a new machine than on an old one? Duh... Also lunar lake is atleast 30%+ faster than your old thin and light laptop to play games. It is faster than Qualcomm to play games. Idk what you are even trying to talk about
@Garrus-w2hfirst of all, wildlife is more of an arm thing. Second intel gpu is objectively better. Plus has more compatibility. I know why you'd defend arm because you just bought one so you are coping. It's fine but don't twist teh facts. Plus games care more about single core performance than multicore. Productivity apps need multicore.
@Garrus-w2hfirst of all, wildlife is more of an arm thing. Second intel gpu is objectively better. Plus has more compatibility. I know why you'd defend arm because you just bought one so you are coping. It's fine but don't twist teh facts. Plus games care more about single core performance than multicore. Productivity apps need multicore.
@Garrus-w2h and didn't you see LoL not working? Benchmark vs games working. Are you really asking me if I watched the video? Also I have watched reviews on both these laptops and wanna know what I have seen? For gaming you cannot use Qualcomm. And early launch vids even showed outright problems with many applications. Idk if they are good now but I will not get that with x86.
Kindly compel your game vendors to have excellent support for ARM64.
The support is just for the sake of time as more people buy into arm, the devs are going. To support it which will make it a better value proposition for the future models. Right now, it doesn’t look good for it for sure
Pls test them again when we 24h2 update arrives only the it is a fair comparision
Can you do a real-life review of Asus Vivobook S with Snapdragon X1P-42-100 with 8 cores.
u should also test x86 chips on charger after battery test because x86 runs better plugged in
for now, x86 better than arm chips for compability issue, just stick to it or M series from Apple rather than Arm Windows.
what else can I do other than browsing, basic editing on a X Elite..., Nearly 80% software and games doesn't run on it., What is the use to have a battery and speed when X Elite says I will run only this and compete with that.
Would be great to have “geek” section at the end of the videos where you install Linux distribution and run Phoronix set of tests. If I want this machine for work not for mindless games - that content pretty much does not exist.
I’m still begging someone to do a comparison of Windows running in Parallels on an M3 Pro MacBook Pro allocated similar specs to a Snapdragon Windows laptop. So a MacBook Pro M3 Pro with 32 GB of RAM, 16 dedicated to Windows. A Snapdragon Arm laptop with 16 gigs of RAM. And dedicate the same number of cores in the CPU and GPU or as close as possible.
Never seen completely fair comparison like this. Then which one's better? Depends on the usage... One is faster but has compatibility issue with x86 based app, while the other is fully capable to any apps but slower in multi core.
In terms of best chip in 2024, upcoming M4 chips will beat all recent laptop chips, so don't worry, This kind of comparison is only for Windows sector. We'll see the best laptop in the world as soon as Apple release M4 MBP, unless if you're gamer, Windows lover or has to be affordable.
Yet they'll still only sell a fraction of the units dell, hp or lenovo sell even at the same price point. As long as they keep offering 8GB ram 256GB ssd in their base models and charging $400 to upgrade or they keep making macos so closed and restrictive, their sales will not grow no matter how good their laptop chips are.
Qualcomm is faster if you are running specific multi thread optimized applications. Most applications around are not multi thread optimized and many cannot be made multi thread optimized. Single thread performance seems better on intel, so for most laptop applications, intel will be faster.
The whole "ARM is better because x, y, z ..." thing is over.
Lunar lake is a marvel. The battery is shockingly good coz the battery was honestly used more. (Reminder, its x86)
If battery life and portability and day to day apps are concerned x elite is the way to go
You should do an update with GPU driver updates Qualcomm released
Very random, but I can't get Steel Nomad to work on any laptop with a discreet GPU. It always errors out when it loads. Weird.
How’s lunar lake performance unplugged? Any significant hit?
He did alll test on battery
My Macbook Air M1 scores ST: 109 and MT: 390 in Cinebench R24. Passive cooling and 4y old... Nice to see competition catch up after 4 years and with active cooling. 😀😀
that's good for consumers right?
Blud that x elite destroys your little macbook toy.
😅 they can also do that score by passive cooling
@@劉奕彤-q6g Yeah, in 2024. 😀
Exactly! LL is almost just a catch up, and same can be said of the 10k Multicore Geekbench, vs the M2 air…
When in sleep/standby which one consume more battery
For 90% of apps you also need to avoid ARM based chip for at least 5 years. Luner lake is way to go into 2025.
I returned one of these a year ago because it got crazy hot on the surface. Needless to say about the underneath. I wonder if it has improved since then.
Lunar lake is absolutely different Intel chip, its uses TSMC 3nm just like Apple M3, runs ultra cool with insane battery life.
please do also FL studio tests for Windows laptops
Can’t believe an ipad that costs 400 dollars less wipes the floor with both of them
Compatibility? Please say gaming. I understand that, but laptops are not only made for gaming. Just consider the huge ARM based Apple ecosystem.
Imagine Lunar Lake on Windows tablets or even phones!
Hey you are using 256V. 288V is faster.
Yes
This comparison is unnecessary since snapdragon can't handle loads of applications and games.
What laptop is this sir
@@TheMtBaldy I don't understand your question. Which laptop is what?
Why would you buy a Snapdragon or igpu intel machine for gaming?
@@rowaystarcolight gaming buddy, this is a daily driver machine. You want to game 4 hours a day, get a gaming laptop
@@kartikpintu That was my point. These snapdragon machines can absolutely do a good bunch of light gaming.
(5:15) Bro playing War Thunder! Love that Game!
So..... A 12 core Snapdragon processor versus an 8 core Intel processor? And then the difference between Intel's 4 efficiency cores and 4 performance cores versus 12 performance cores in Snapdragon? These chips are so different why are they even being compared? Also a 3% difference in battery remaining at the end of your test is not notable at all why are you making a big deal about it?
They are being tested because they are the latest and best offerings from each company currently in the market.
Multi threaded cpu performance scores are not very relevant for laptop users. I also didn't feel that the 3% difference in battery is going to matter for most users. In my books, Snapdragon is a DOA, unfortunately.
But can it run Silent Hill 2 Remake? Lunar Lake can.
I'll give it a couple more years before buying an ARM PC. Hopefully comparibility issues would have been mostly resolved by then. I'll stick to AMD for now.