I remember the very first TMP posters. In 1979. They shown the phase 2 Enterprise . Then when I saw the movie I was confused when I saw the movie Enterprise. Later I found out about phase 2.
There's another good fan series called Star Trek: New Voyages a.k.a. Phase II, which has two episodes based on original Phase II scripts (Kitumba and another adaption of The Child). It doesn't quite reach STC though.
A shame it never happened. A live-action Star Trek series made during the '70s would have been a real treat, as I love '70s sci-fi aesthetics. It possessed the unbound imagination and psychedelic wonder of the '60s with the sleek futurism and abstract graphics that would become era-defining in the '80s.
Thank god it didn't happen. Because if it did, history would have played out differently and we most likely wouldn't have gotten TNG AND DS9. No doubt there would have been series in the 80s and 90s but i betcha anything they would have focused on the TOS cast. Also, the movies probably would have never happened or would have been vastly different.
Yeah it definitely would have been interesting to to see Phase Two before Star Wars influenced the Sci Fi world. The Motion Picture gets a lot of hate but it’s one of my favorites. The ship, inside and out, has a sleek look to it. The influence of the 70s has a nice look.
Visually The Motion Picture does well and in that respect is very underrated. However the plot itself - which I feel is a very good one if done well - would have been far better suited to TV - for a big 'spectacular' movie it is a bit too ... well, almost too mundane. I don't hate TMP (far from it) but it was lacking that certain something (and was way too long).
This was awesome because I was aware of phase 2 but this is the most detailed documentary of it. I enjoyed this very much and thank you for making this.
This was a great mini documentary. I already knew somethings about the Phase II show , but this video definitely answered some of the questions that I had about the project. Thank you for an interesting and informative video about Trek , I'm in my 40s and I've been s fan since I was 4 years old.
72 about the time the reruns started after school I was in the third grade. It was a mainstay everyday after school till the 80's . it kept me sane I lived in the boonies.
Same in Mobile, AL on CBS WKRG 5, it ran on Sunday nights at 10:30-11:30, then a couple years later it moved to Thursday nights at 7:30-8:30, and then after Star Wars came out it ran from daily in the afternoon 4:00-5:00. My family hated it so I didn't get to see it at night but the afternoon timeslot wasn't a problem as long as my chores and homework was done. Never saw it in color until I bought them on VHS in the late '80s early '90s. I no longer have the VHS copies but I do have them on DVD with desire to get the Blu-ray, I'm done buying the same thing over and over in the next format that comes out.
JohnFourtyTwo Blu-ray is a huge jump in quality. They had to go through and remaster the whole series. Same thing with TNG. Since they were both shot on 35mm, the resolution is higher than HD.
@@5roundsrapid263 TOS looks as though it was produced yesterday. Such beautiful quality. TNG had a problem. The show was filmed and switched to video tape for easy editing but the masters needed converted... very expensive process.
The original Star Trek was amazing and it was the single biggest influence on my childhood. I have to give Roddenberry credit for making it happen. But the really great episodes came from far, far better writers like Norman Spinrad and Theodore Sturgeon. Roddenberry himself gave us gems like "The Omega Glory". He was a profoundly terrible writer, is what I'm saying, and his attempts to mix SF and religion weren't so much "controversial" as "pretentious" and "ridiculous". As far as the man personally- and I'm cautious before I make pronouncements like this about people I never knew personally- but the preponderance of the evidence is he was a scumbag.
I remember reading Grace Lee Whitney’s (Yeoman Rand) opinion of him. Producers told him to lose a female cast member. Couldn’t do Nichelle Nichols because Uhura was part of the progressive image of his show. Couldn’t do Majel Barret as Nurse Chapel because she was Roddenberry’s love interest. So the other blonde white girl was axed from the series early, and she described her depression and spiral into substance abuse afterwards.
Being an old guy, I too remember in the 1976 period, there was great, building excitement that ST Phase II was coming back to tv, possibly as a once a month, ninety minute episode. I think that format would have been wonderful - more time to develop a story.
Really enjoyed this video and hadn't realised the Phase II series was so fully developed before being cancelled... it's interesting to imagine what Star Trek might have become if they went ahead with Phase II and not the movies.
Production illustrator/art director/designer Mike Minor was quite involved in the (at first) new tv series before going on to the motion picture version and work on the follow-ups. He gave me a copy of those early script efforts to get the show onto tv screens (though I couldn't talk about them publicly or in print), and I got to go through a lot of his wonderful drawings, some of which are featured here. (I still have the TREK/studio letterhead and envelope he gave to me as "souvenirs", which he designed, based on his iconic-dynamic painting of the Enterprise at 3/4 angle.) Great memories.
One day we'll invent a device that allows us to see alternative timelines and we'll finally be able to watch Phase II. And the original ending to Final Frontier...
What was really cool was how the Ralph McQuarrie concept Enterprise at 2:30 made it into Trek canon. You can find it in the starship graveyard scenes in TNG "The Best of Both Worlds" Part II and "Unification" Part II, along with Bill George's early Excelsior concept.
@@CaptainSpalding72 Exactly right! It's about time they got some serious mileage out of that design. That's Star Trek for you. Doesn't throw anything away. Instead, it just puts it away somewhere in a box until someone gets an idea.
At 12:20 the mention of Xon being the inspiration for Data is incorrect. The android character Questor from the failed pilot The Questor Tapes was supposed to be the inspiration for Data.
When the "Phase II" scripts of "The Child" and "Devil's Due" were reconfigured for TNG, dialogue written for Xon was given to Data (and Decker and Ilia's lines went to Riker and Troi). But Data of TNG was derived mainly from "The Questor Tapes".
Back in the 76 77 when I was young I heard they were going to make a new Star Trek tv show. I was hoping it would happand but I was sad that they droped it,
@@yvesnyfelerph.d.8297 sorry but in my opinion, TNG was more of a soap opera. The Original Series with Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov , Scotty, and McCoy is the only good Star Trek show. The original 6 movies were great and after that, it kinda went downhill. But that's just my opinion.
One thing left out: Paramount was trying to start its own TV network and "Star Trek: Phase II" would have been its flagship show. When both went bust (I think it was the rise of HBO on cable that scared Paramount out of running a high-channel VHF or UHF network) the movie was created to make back some of the investment.
Fascinating! I've always been a Trekie having watched TOS every night after school. So I remember reading about the planned "Phase II" series in Sci-Fi magazines and being as disappointed as Mr.Scott assigned to a ship other than the Enterprise when it didn't materialize. Then there was the rumor of a movie and talk about the script involving GOD.
Great video! Would have been the *2nd* unaired pilot. Loved seeing screen test footage of Persis in TOS era uniform as Ilia & Dave Gautreaux (Epsilon 9 Cmdr. Branch) as Xon.
I wish the “The God Thing” got produced as I really think it’s a fantastic concept, I think it really would have gotten people to think outside the box and perhaps question things a bit more. Phase II would have been a fantastic series because I think the 70’s influence would have made it interesting/fun. It’s great to learn more about this time period of Star Trek history, great documentary.
It was produced, it was called Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. I'm not joking, this movie was that episode and the only Star Trek movie William Shatner directed. The best parts were the beginning and ending where Kirk, Spock, and McCoy are camping in Yosemite National Park. Everything else in the middle is garbage except for maybe Spock's half-brother Sybock, now he's interesting and fun to have at parties. The movie flopped faster than a dead fish; the first few days the movie theaters were packed then they couldn't give away tickets.
JohnFourtyTwo yeah I remember that, I was completely disappointed with the movie. I think “God Thing” would have been better if it was produced as it was originally intended back in the 70’s.
I would say more than a few years personally. TNG’s development started in 1985/1986 for the 1987 release. The Motion Picture and ergo Phase II was practically in some way shape or form in production for much of the mid to late 70’s.
I wasn't expecting Michael Eisner to be referenced in a Star Trek video, every time I hear that name I remind myself of Defunctland and Yesterworld. hahaha
Great video. One niitpicky thing... Persis Khambatta's character name was pronounced Eye-Lee-Uh. Also, that background music sounds like "Can You Read My Mind" from Superman repeating over and over.
Good overview for those who hadn't heard of this before! But odd there wasn't any mention of Paramount looking to create their own TV network with Phase II as its flagship show; the new network (eventually realized as UPN in the '90s, with another Trek series (Voyager) as its flagship) and its delay was an important part of Phase II's development and cancellation.
@@SnowDaulphin When ST TMP came out that was the back story going around that Will Decker and Matt Decker was father and son, Matt was considered the General Patton of Star Fleet when it came to ship to ship combat.
Willard Decker is described as being Matt's son in the "Star Trek [Phase] II Writers Guide", the "bible" for the proposed TV series. Note that none of the actors who screen-tested for Willard Decker succeeded. Stephen Collins didn't actually audition for Decker until Robert Wise took up the director's role for "The Motion Picture".
"Star Trek Phase II was never realized" - So what were we doing for 10 years? We actually filmed some of the episodes originally written for "Phase II" like "World Enough and Time" and "Kitumba." We even changed our name from "New Voyages" to "Phase II" in honor of that series, talked about in this video, and you even used OUR Phase II logo, not the original Phase II logo from the 70s. . You can learn about and see all our episodes at www.stnv.de Regards, Star Trek New Voyages: Phase II.
@Gareth Fairclough TNG used "The Child" and "Devil's Due" and some aspects of other episodes. The original author of "The Child" was unhappy with how his script had been rewritten for TNG and we then filmed "The Child" how he wanted it. WEAT and Kitumba were not filmed by TNG.
It's a measure of the fan film community's success that I expected this video to be about the fan films, not about this not-TV series. I loved "World Enough and Time."
Mine may be a dissenting voice, but I'm rather glad this series never materialized. It would have had two problems that would have ensured its inferiority to the original: No Spock, and trying to make Kirk more like Picard later turned out to be, which is not right for the character. Leonard Nimoy was simply unwilling to play the part in an ongoing series again. (He was willing to do it for the movie, and was lured back for Star Trek II partly because he got them to promise they'd kill Spock off -- and then, inexplicably, he finally overcame his longstanding ambivalence about the character and embraced it at last, so they had to find a way to bring Spock back for Star Trek III.) Kirk would have been played as older captain, and with a younger executive officer (Will Decker -- note the name similarity to Will Riker) to handle away team missions and so forth. And that works just fine for a diplomat-type leasder such as Picard, but just doesn't work as well for a more aggressive, action-oriented character like Kirk. No, I really think it worked out better that the original series cast ended up doing movies instead of a new series that pulled them away from the formula that had made TOS so successful, and then made it more like what TNG turned out to be. I think the TNG formula worked better for an all new cast that came free of expectations that the characters should be what they'd always been before, and what the audience had grown attached to.
I wonder what Roddenberry would think of the Star Trek shows they got today like that Discovery series. They dont have any of the problems in terms of production budget, sfx and practical effects and sets that they had back then. But something seems to be lacking with these new modern Trek shows.
Matthew Cooper I saw the ad in one of my comics a little later in ‘78 in the inside back cover, I believe. It blew my mind, plus seeing Scotty with a ‘stache made me recognize him as the Commander from the first season of Jason of Star Command! My 7th grade English teacher took our entire class to see the movie during a matinee, still don’t know how she got permission!
This is a first! Comment and hearing this lore Thank you! That being said I'm not a die hard fan more of a general Sci-Fi enthusiast. What I do know is that of all the future world building that Science Fiction has done I would chose the Star Trek Universe over almost all others so far...
I remember the 1979 TMP posters showing the PHASE 2. Enterprise . They were not showing the TMP ship until you saw the movie. So I was.confused when I saw the movie for the first time. I thought the artist of the poster goofed up or somthing. I had no idea there was a PHASE 2 show that was originally in the making.
I read once that it was not only the release of Star Wars that helped cancel the series, it was the release of "Space 1999" into American syndication that was also a factor. The special effects in Space 1999 were beyond anything that they were ready to create for television, so they decided to make the movie instead.
I think the STTNG episode The Child is symbolic of what happened to ST Phase II. Data’s child died because it was not ready to cope with its new environment but what was created was somehow salvaged or passed along in some manner in Data.
Wrong episode. You’re talking about “The Offspring” season 4 episode. “The Child” is when Troi basically got raped in her sleep by an alien and had a child.
How sad we all missed out on Star Trek Phase 2. I would've watched that as I've watched everything Star Trek since the original TV series aired in Australia in 1968 (I think).🖖
Sal Paradise They didn’t think Nimoy was interested so he was only written in to two episodes, and then Nimoy was offended he was only written in to two episodes?? Sound like a right bunch of prima donnas! Hollywood, hey?!
@@CaptainSpalding72 Most of the cast hated Shatner for pretty much the same thing, even Roddenberry didn't like him for always upstaging him. James Doohan hated him so much he refused an interview with him for one of his biographies. They looked like a happy family onscreen but in real life was totally different.
@@JohnFourtyTwo they have since reconciled. At at least with Nichols, Koenig. Takei is still a grudge holding twat. No one can remember what exactly Shatner did to him. Doohan and Shatner buried the hatchet a few years before his death. The show was about the starship Captain and Shatner was the star of the show. The Supporting cast didnt understand that for some dumb reason.
The Motion Picture was basically a reworking of season 2 episode The Changling with the evolved probe now changed to Voyager as voyager didn't exist at the time of the series but ties into the story well.
Ah, back when the creators cared about what the fans thought at least enough to continue the project as a movie. I'm pretty sure CBS hates trekkies and the best Star Treks you can find now that are new are the indi versions you find here on YT.
Back then they listened when they got tons of real fan letters in the mail. Now all they have to do is click the delete button and all that e-mail goes away like it never existed.
The only Star Trek show that is currently on TV, that respects the true spirit of Star Trek is Lower Decks and that's because the creator of the show is a true Star Trek fan, unlike Kurtzman, who seems like he has never watched a previous Star Trek show in his life, if the creator of Lower Decks was in charge of making the other live action shows we would have shows that are a lot more like the shows that were created by Roddenberry, shows that Star Trek fans can appreciate.
Those of us older enough to remember, in the first 1/3 of the 70's, Star Trek had kind of a renaissance thanks to syndication and Star Trek toys were produced and were highly popular. Then came the Animated series which was fantastic(all original cast members returned except, IIRC, Walter Keonig which, strangely, was because they couldn't afford the entire original cast). But that show had success as well which probably rekindled interest in a live action show again. Unfortunately it didn't come to pass but we did get a resurgence in Star Trek mostly thanks to the movies then TNG.
Totally skipped the years 1973-75, during which Star Trek The Animated Series was being aired on Saturday mornings, and totally greased the wheels for Phase II and TMP.
The TMP bridge was built over the top of the framework of the "Phase II" bridge. When it was finally pulled down, to clear the "Star Trek: Voyager" soundstage for filming to begin on "Enterprise", rotting wooden struts were seen to be marked "Star Trek II", the working title of the proposed TV series sequel to TOS.
TMP and the VGer story was a retread of TOS "The Changeling". Virtually identical stories - Earth probe, lost, damaged, found by machines , fixed, sent back to find it's creator.... How did no one ever notice this??
In some parallel reality, 'Phase II' exists... and I believe that late-'70s continuation of the classic series would have been great. I wonder why they only chose to use Spock for two of the proposed 13 episodes, considering Spock was, beyond arguably Kirk, the most iconic character? Unless Nimoy was asking too much fee, it is baffling. Another influence of Phase II (and thus TMP) had on TNG was the Holodeck. We see a very early concept of this in TMP, with games and relaxation much more based in "reality" but clearly the seeds of what would become the holodeck. I believe this concept was in the original Phase II outline. TMP has got a lot of flack over the years (and rightly so in many regards), but I think the story itself would have fared much better on TV not the big screen. It is a decent plot if used well and would make a good TV episode, but is not spectacular enough, even a bit mundane, for a big screen outing IMO. Oh by the way, I love the style of those old painted concept art pictures, I really miss that style in this everything-done-by-a-computer age.
A few FYIs. 1:30 The Jun 30, 1975 script was NOT given the title "The God Thing". We have it here and the title is simply "Star Trek II". The "God Thing" title appears to have been applied retroactively, and was supposed to be the title of the novel Roddenberry was supposed to pen based on the script. What are you basing this "this script was never submitted" statement on? 2:21 The Allen Scott project was not actually titled "Planet of the Titans". The treatment was titled STAR TREK and the film was going to be called STAR TREK-The Motion Picture. After Allen & Scott departed, Kaufman tried to write his own version of the material, and finished one treatment around April 1977, but Katzenberg reportedly called him on May 8 to say the film was dead. 2:56 the 1977 announced Star Trek "Phase" II show was only called that for a hot second and the "Phase" was almost immediately dropped. All the production documents call the show "Star Trek II". 8:16 Collins was NOT bast as Decker for the TV show. Wise cast him for the movie...the only major role he did.
As a proud Star Trek TOS purist I don't think much was missed in no Phase 2 movie or series. TOS was IMO the story line, casting and acting as it's best. It was also a product of the 1960's- as was Lost in Space. As the 60's left us so did the dynamics that produced a short list of series that identify with that decade. Start Trek TOS is IMO a stand alone classic series that really needs nothing further. People will be watching it in 100 years, long after the movies or any followup series is long forgotten.
Omg The Child being an idea from the 70s makes SO MUCH more sense!!! All the rapey episodes probably stemmed from those scripts. Those stories always seemed so incongruous with the 80s.
awesome vid. just subbed you. st new voyages had episodes based on st phase2 episodes. I like how phase2 would have added additional uniform varieties. i'm an army veteran, and a uniform enthusiast.
It was actually given the title Star Trek II but since we now have a Star Trek II movie, it was retroactively called Star Trek Phase II. If you look at the show bible and scripts they are marked with a Star Trek II logo.
Phase II never came out because Paramount was trying to launch its own television network but couldn't. The other "big three" networks in the US went to all their biggest commercial clients and told them if they ran commercials on Paramount's new network then NBC, CBS and ABC would stop showing their commercials on their networks. Paramount needed advertising to launch and nobody were willing to work with them and only them. So Paramount scrapped their network plans and channeled all the expense of founding a television network onto Star Trek: The Motion Picture's budget.
As much as I loved the original series, and trust me I literally GREW UP a fan of Star Trek which aired on my second birthday for the first time. I always loved the adventures of Spock, Kirk, McCoy and Scotty!! Even the animated series peaked my interest as I was still mainly a child when they came out!! But then over time came shows and movies like Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica, and the original 1977 Star Wars: A New Hope and I was hooked on other franchises. So much so that when Star Trek The Next Generation came out and then Deep Space Nine, I hated those shows to the point where I started to question why anybody would like them!! After all Kirk was the "Shot first ask questions later" type of guy and then you had Picard who was basically a huge wussie that always tried to reason or compromise himself out of a bad situation!! Sorry but have you LOOKED at the world around you, because those tactics SELDOM IF EVER actually work!! You can't "reason" or "bargain" with a lot of people even in today's world 2019, and it is as true in The Original Series as it is today.....actions speak louder than words!!! Besides too by the time The Next Generation came out, I was then in my mid to late 20s, and I had already started becoming way more cynical about things I saw around me as well too!! And for years I worked my tail off thinking "Some day I will get ahead, some day I will win" and year after year all that I had held close to my heart slowly died, including the ambition to set goals, the hopes and dreams I once had, and the feelings of "love" and "caring" I so strongly searched for were gone!! And now in my late 30 near 40s I hated watching reruns of Star Trek the Next Generation and thought to myself "Who writes this crap? The world is never going to be so diplomatic, shiny and "perfect" and only a fool could buy into these stupid ideas of how our species "over came" our problems to make THIS SHIP!" You see in my life by the time I hit my 40s I had never seen compassion, I had never known actual LOVE, hell I didn't know a single damn person that actually GAVE A SHIT about anybody but themselves either anyhow as well......and it was around 2002 and my world was literally falling apart around me!! And for the next 4 years, through periods of homelessness and despair I refused to watch a lot of TV as usual!! Star Trek the Next Generation was for people too stupid to realize that in the real world "diplomacy" and "reason" do not always work. And in my life ALL I had ever known was chaos, conflict pain and suffering, to the point where I just wanted to be "left alone" and "do my job" and just "keep on to my own thing" to do what I do best.....survive and get through another day!! And for the next ten years I lost total interest in Star Trek, Star Wars, Enterprise, The Next Generation, Battlestar Galactica, and ANY OTHER silly stupid TV show or movie, that made meaningless ideas of "political correctness" and fairness and social justice their priority!! To me there was just something "missing" in science fiction a sense of "THIS could be real" about it that seemed to make the Sci Fi empty and hallow to me!! Like I just said I was homeless in 2002....that is important!! You see in 2008 I returned to my home state of New York, and I dreaded coming back having lived in North Carolina for almost 5 years. After all it meant being homeless a bit longer and I had been homeless at that point for almost 9 years and getting close to ten years when I think about it!! And after bouncing around living in a Walmart parking lot in a 1985 Chevy van, and then a tent in a camp ground for almost two more years I found myself living in a mobile home owned by a friend of mine who took me in finally. The year was 2010 now AND as I sat on my computer one night reading a few different things on UA-cam, I stumbled across a show from 2002 I had never heard about...........FIREFLY!!! It is then after watching Firefly I realized, that I am a lot like Malcom Reynolds! I have lost faith, lost hope and in my world nothing is ever just easy!!! And you are better off to shot first and ask questions later...because diplomacy NEVER WORKS only actions do!!!
People you meet in the "ruined it for everyone" ring of Hell: Yoko Ono, Kathleen Kennedy, Gail Berman (cancelled Firefly), Meghan Markle, and the guy from Paramount who cancelled Phase II.
"Gene also wanted to show 23rd century Earth for the first time, something that was never shown on the original series." This is incorrect. 23rd century Earth was shown in the original _Star Trek_ pilot "The Cage" -- which was later broadcast as the 2-part episode "The Menagerie".
You have to remember that The Cage never aired until the mid 80s, and none of the Earth shots made it into The Menagerie - none of the 2-parter was set on Earth. So, at that time, the statement was accurate.
But Phase 2 *was* actually made into a series! In fact *two* fan web series with good production value (ST continues ans ST: New Voyages Phase II) were made in the last 10 years with about 10 episodes each, both with TOS characters continuing the 5 year mission. Course it wasn't like it was going to be - Decard and Illia have both played their part other ways - but they did adapt original scripts of phase 2 and bring back some of the old cast members. Unfortunately, Paramount's recent litigation with ST Axanar made them unable to continue as they had been, but they got in a good run of episodes. You can find both on youtube.
Star Trek Continues begins about 2 seconds after "Turnabout Intruder" ends, and its final episode has Kirk in his Admiral's uniform, pre-TMP. There were more episodes planned, but the Axanar situation happened and they were unable to make those other episodes. It's a shame, because this is (in my opinion) the best of the fan film series.
Not quite. "Star Trek Continues" is actually a different group. James Cawley's "Star Trek: Phase II" was previously known as "Star Trek: New Voyages". After a few episodes, they reverted to their "New Voyages" title.
Few of the episodes in TNG season two used scripts written already phase 2 during the writers strike. Idea for Paramount being for the 4th Network. Note Star Trek the movie They went through 71 scripts before agreeing on one for Motion Picture
"Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" had Genesis scientist, Jedda, mentioned in the script has being Deltan. But it was decided not to make John Vargas shave his head since being Deltan didn't turn out to be a crucial factor in the story. Jedda and his female Deltan mate are featured in the novelization. In 2141, the "ECS Horizon" encountered a group of Deltans. Travis Mayweather, who was fifteen at the time, later described them as very attractive and very open. On the advice and invitation of his father, he dealt with the feelings they engendered in him by performing exhausting workouts in the gym, a method he returned to (and recommended to Lt. Malcolm Reed) aboard the "Enterprise" in 2154. (ENT: "Bound").
I love all the Star Trek shows. TOS ,TNG ,VOYAGER ,DS9,ENTERPRISE. These are the best.
If you want more Star Trek TOS style episodes then I highly recommend Star Trek Continues. It leads nicely from the were season 3 finished to TMP.
I want AMT to do a model of the phase 2 Enterprise. The missing link between TOS and TMP.
I remember the very first TMP posters. In 1979. They shown the phase 2 Enterprise . Then when I saw the movie I was confused when I saw the movie Enterprise. Later I found out about phase 2.
There's another good fan series called Star Trek: New Voyages a.k.a. Phase II, which has two episodes based on original Phase II scripts (Kitumba and another adaption of The Child). It doesn't quite reach STC though.
But why are the comments turned off in all the ST2 episodes on UA-cam?
STC is awesome, especially Pilgrim of Eternity, Lolani, and (my favorite) Fairest of Them All.
Those Star Trek Phase II production test uniforms looked like they stepped off of Soul Train!!
outrageous!!!!
A shame it never happened. A live-action Star Trek series made during the '70s would have been a real treat, as I love '70s sci-fi aesthetics. It possessed the unbound imagination and psychedelic wonder of the '60s with the sleek futurism and abstract graphics that would become era-defining in the '80s.
The success of Star Wars prompted Gene Roddenberry to change Phase II to TMP.
And Im sure that Phase 2 would had get their own cinematic movies too.
Thank god it didn't happen. Because if it did, history would have played out differently and we most likely wouldn't have gotten TNG AND DS9. No doubt there would have been series in the 80s and 90s but i betcha anything they would have focused on the TOS cast.
Also, the movies probably would have never happened or would have been vastly different.
Yeah it definitely would have been interesting to to see Phase Two before Star Wars influenced the Sci Fi world. The Motion Picture gets a lot of hate but it’s one of my favorites. The ship, inside and out, has a sleek look to it. The influence of the 70s has a nice look.
Agreed.....TMP was TOS
Visually The Motion Picture does well and in that respect is very underrated. However the plot itself - which I feel is a very good one if done well - would have been far better suited to TV - for a big 'spectacular' movie it is a bit too ... well, almost too mundane. I don't hate TMP (far from it) but it was lacking that certain something (and was way too long).
I don't have issues with TMP other than the whole first hour of the film was ship-theme porn.
It's definitely my favorite in the series.
Imagine if Star Wars never happened.
What would Star Trek movies look like?
This was awesome because I was aware of phase 2 but this is the most detailed documentary of it. I enjoyed this very much and thank you for making this.
This was a great mini documentary. I already knew somethings about the Phase II show , but this video definitely answered some of the questions that I had about the project. Thank you for an interesting and informative video about Trek , I'm in my 40s and I've been s fan since I was 4 years old.
Just out of curiosity, what questions still remain? I may be able to answer it as I am kind of working on an archive of the Star Trek that never was.
72 about the time the reruns started after school I was in the third grade. It was a mainstay everyday after school till the 80's . it kept me sane I lived in the boonies.
My Dad watched it when it first aired! He and I watched it and TNG when I was growing up in the ‘80s.
Same in Mobile, AL on CBS WKRG 5, it ran on Sunday nights at 10:30-11:30, then a couple years later it moved to Thursday nights at 7:30-8:30, and then after Star Wars came out it ran from daily in the afternoon 4:00-5:00. My family hated it so I didn't get to see it at night but the afternoon timeslot wasn't a problem as long as my chores and homework was done. Never saw it in color until I bought them on VHS in the late '80s early '90s. I no longer have the VHS copies but I do have them on DVD with desire to get the Blu-ray, I'm done buying the same thing over and over in the next format that comes out.
I became a fan in the early 80s when Trek II came out...
JohnFourtyTwo Blu-ray is a huge jump in quality. They had to go through and remaster the whole series. Same thing with TNG. Since they were both shot on 35mm, the resolution is higher than HD.
@@5roundsrapid263 TOS looks as though it was produced yesterday. Such beautiful quality. TNG had a problem. The show was filmed and switched to video tape for easy editing but the masters needed converted... very expensive process.
As much as we love Roddenberry, there were a lot of people who worked on the show and made it work.
Well, yeah...
The original Star Trek was amazing and it was the single biggest influence on my childhood. I have to give Roddenberry credit for making it happen. But the really great episodes came from far, far better writers like Norman Spinrad and Theodore Sturgeon. Roddenberry himself gave us gems like "The Omega Glory". He was a profoundly terrible writer, is what I'm saying, and his attempts to mix SF and religion weren't so much "controversial" as "pretentious" and "ridiculous".
As far as the man personally- and I'm cautious before I make pronouncements like this about people I never knew personally- but the preponderance of the evidence is he was a scumbag.
I remember reading Grace Lee Whitney’s (Yeoman Rand) opinion of him. Producers told him to lose a female cast member. Couldn’t do Nichelle Nichols because Uhura was part of the progressive image of his show. Couldn’t do Majel Barret as Nurse Chapel because she was Roddenberry’s love interest. So the other blonde white girl was axed from the series early, and she described her depression and spiral into substance abuse afterwards.
Lincoln Lloyd Redley That's not a rumor.
@ironduke0775 idk why majel was a babe
A visit with old friends! Thanks for posting.
The soundtrack to this vid is interesting enough to overpower the narration, even though it's quiet. Thanks for including a link to it.
This was a great video. Thanks. Now that explains why I've seen shots of Ilea in the original series without actually being in the original series.
You always have the smoothest Romulan ale Jonathan. Thank you. :)
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Being an old guy, I too remember in the 1976 period, there was great, building excitement that ST Phase II was coming back to tv, possibly as a once a month, ninety minute episode. I think that format would have been wonderful - more time to develop a story.
Wow. Once a month would have been perfect.
Really enjoyed this video and hadn't realised the Phase II series was so fully developed before being cancelled... it's interesting to imagine what Star Trek might have become if they went ahead with Phase II and not the movies.
Sometimes I kind of wish they did though.
If you do some research you will learn that phase 2 was turned into TNG.
Production illustrator/art director/designer Mike Minor was quite involved in the (at first) new tv series before going on to the motion picture version and work on the follow-ups. He gave me a copy of those early script efforts to get the show onto tv screens (though I couldn't talk about them publicly or in print), and I got to go through a lot of his wonderful drawings, some of which are featured here. (I still have the TREK/studio letterhead and envelope he gave to me as "souvenirs", which he designed, based on his iconic-dynamic painting of the Enterprise at 3/4 angle.) Great memories.
Fascinating. Right when you said characters from Phase II were the basis for TNG I knew right away who they were, like POW!
Love all of your videos, cheers mate.
6:24 Crewmembers heading to the Disco Deck after going through the Farrah-Hair Materializer.
LOL!!!
lol
*Engage ABBA Protocols*
Any channel that uses the UFO theme is a channel worth subbing
Willard Decker was sadly demoted not only in rank, but to Jake Cutter , in the Indiana Jones want to be " Tales of the gold monkey" in 1983.
Hearing your opening always reminds me of Moon ladies with purple hair and short silver skirts.
Good job, thanks Jonny
One day we'll invent a device that allows us to see alternative timelines and we'll finally be able to watch Phase II. And the original ending to Final Frontier...
I love the they came up with phase 2 and they used the phrase 2 Enterprise! Nice work on all the actors!
What was really cool was how the Ralph McQuarrie concept Enterprise at 2:30 made it into Trek canon. You can find it in the starship graveyard scenes in TNG "The Best of Both Worlds" Part II and "Unification" Part II, along with Bill George's early Excelsior concept.
Its used as Discovery.
@@CaptainSpalding72 Exactly right! It's about time they got some serious mileage out of that design. That's Star Trek for you. Doesn't throw anything away. Instead, it just puts it away somewhere in a box until someone gets an idea.
I never thought I would see a Vulcan with a mullet.
Kinda like a Vulcan McGyver.
The Vulcan Science Directorate has yet to prove the theory of time trav- erm, mullets.
Good ole The Monster Times.I remember buying that and Starlog and Cinefantastie.Great stuff.
The Vulcan Xon actually played the commander on the space station epsilon which was destroyed by VGer
At 12:20 the mention of Xon being the inspiration for Data is incorrect. The android character Questor from the failed pilot The Questor Tapes was supposed to be the inspiration for Data.
True. Xon was created because Leonard Nimoy wouldn't return as Spock. He was locked in a legal battle with Paramount.
@@dannyanzion3647 It is actually both Xon and Questor .
When the "Phase II" scripts of "The Child" and "Devil's Due" were reconfigured for TNG, dialogue written for Xon was given to Data (and Decker and Ilia's lines went to Riker and Troi). But Data of TNG was derived mainly from "The Questor Tapes".
Back in the 76 77 when I was young I heard they were going to make a new Star Trek tv show. I was hoping it would happand but I was sad that they droped it,
Never heard of tng? You should check it out sometime...
@@yvesnyfelerph.d.8297 sorry but in my opinion, TNG was more of a soap opera. The Original Series with Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov , Scotty, and McCoy is the only good Star Trek show. The original 6 movies were great and after that, it kinda went downhill. But that's just my opinion.
bubba ray I concur.
One thing left out: Paramount was trying to start its own TV network and "Star Trek: Phase II" would have been its flagship show. When both went bust (I think it was the rise of HBO on cable that scared Paramount out of running a high-channel VHF or UHF network) the movie was created to make back some of the investment.
Fascinating! I've always been a Trekie having watched TOS every night after school. So I remember reading about the planned "Phase II" series in Sci-Fi magazines and being as disappointed as Mr.Scott assigned to a ship other than the Enterprise when it didn't materialize. Then there was the rumor of a movie and talk about the script involving GOD.
Like always: great video!
Great video! Would have been the *2nd* unaired pilot. Loved seeing screen test footage of Persis in TOS era uniform as Ilia &
Dave Gautreaux (Epsilon 9 Cmdr. Branch) as Xon.
I wish the “The God Thing” got produced as I really think it’s a fantastic concept, I think it really would have gotten people to think outside the box and perhaps question things a bit more. Phase II would have been a fantastic series because I think the 70’s influence would have made it interesting/fun. It’s great to learn more about this time period of Star Trek history, great documentary.
It was produced, it was called Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. I'm not joking, this movie was that episode and the only Star Trek movie William Shatner directed. The best parts were the beginning and ending where Kirk, Spock, and McCoy are camping in Yosemite National Park. Everything else in the middle is garbage except for maybe Spock's half-brother Sybock, now he's interesting and fun to have at parties. The movie flopped faster than a dead fish; the first few days the movie theaters were packed then they couldn't give away tickets.
JohnFourtyTwo yeah I remember that, I was completely disappointed with the movie. I think “God Thing” would have been better if it was produced as it was originally intended back in the 70’s.
ST5 What time does the movie start ? What time can you get here?
Very interesting. I knew a lot but this really filled in the detail.
It’s hard to believe that there were just a few years between the release of The Motion Picture and the development of TNG. They seem so far apart.
I would say more than a few years personally.
TNG’s development started in 1985/1986 for the 1987 release. The Motion Picture and ergo Phase II was practically in some way shape or form in production for much of the mid to late 70’s.
I wasn't expecting Michael Eisner to be referenced in a Star Trek video, every time I hear that name I remind myself of Defunctland and Yesterworld. hahaha
Can we just pause at 0:22 and admire the luscious long hair adorning George Takei’s head?
Oh *_my_*
@si james That guy was epic! :)
what abouts scotts super goatee
*we could quote him by saying...."oh my"*
@S Macca Never heard of Can, but I have seen videos of some of Kraftwerk's earliest performances when they had longer hair :)
I loved the Motion Picture
Great video. One niitpicky thing... Persis Khambatta's character name was pronounced Eye-Lee-Uh. Also, that background music sounds like "Can You Read My Mind" from Superman repeating over and over.
I really appreciate your reviews.
Great little video this is like a legitimate trek doc. Very fascinating
My opinion of the plot of Star Trek The Motion Picture that the planet were VGER was upgraded from Voyager was also the birth of the Borg race.
Great video! Really enjoyed this! :)
I like the UFO music at the start (Im old so I remember that show fondly)
Good overview for those who hadn't heard of this before! But odd there wasn't any mention of Paramount looking to create their own TV network with Phase II as its flagship show; the new network (eventually realized as UPN in the '90s, with another Trek series (Voyager) as its flagship) and its delay was an important part of Phase II's development and cancellation.
Had Phase II got the green lit, ABC, CBS or NBC would have aired it.
William Decker was the son of Commodore Matt Decker of the Dooms Day episode.
Willard
Where was this mentioned?
@@SnowDaulphin When ST TMP came out that was the back story going around that Will Decker and Matt Decker was father and son, Matt was considered the General Patton of Star Fleet when it came to ship to ship combat.
Willard Decker is described as being Matt's son in the "Star Trek [Phase] II Writers Guide", the "bible" for the proposed TV series. Note that none of the actors who screen-tested for Willard Decker succeeded. Stephen Collins didn't actually audition for Decker until Robert Wise took up the director's role for "The Motion Picture".
"Star Trek Phase II was never realized" - So what were we doing for 10 years? We actually filmed some of the episodes originally written for "Phase II" like "World Enough and Time" and "Kitumba." We even changed our name from "New Voyages" to "Phase II" in honor of that series, talked about in this video, and you even used OUR Phase II logo, not the original Phase II logo from the 70s. . You can learn about and see all our episodes at www.stnv.de
Regards, Star Trek New Voyages: Phase II.
About a dozen scripts were written.... Some were actually used for TNG in the fourth season, I think when there was a writers strike....
@Gareth Fairclough TNG used "The Child" and "Devil's Due" and some aspects of other episodes. The original author of "The Child" was unhappy with how his script had been rewritten for TNG and we then filmed "The Child" how he wanted it. WEAT and Kitumba were not filmed by TNG.
Preach! You should've gotten a shoutout
It's a measure of the fan film community's success that I expected this video to be about the fan films, not about this not-TV series. I loved "World Enough and Time."
Mine may be a dissenting voice, but I'm rather glad this series never materialized. It would have had two problems that would have ensured its inferiority to the original: No Spock, and trying to make Kirk more like Picard later turned out to be, which is not right for the character. Leonard Nimoy was simply unwilling to play the part in an ongoing series again. (He was willing to do it for the movie, and was lured back for Star Trek II partly because he got them to promise they'd kill Spock off -- and then, inexplicably, he finally overcame his longstanding ambivalence about the character and embraced it at last, so they had to find a way to bring Spock back for Star Trek III.) Kirk would have been played as older captain, and with a younger executive officer (Will Decker -- note the name similarity to Will Riker) to handle away team missions and so forth. And that works just fine for a diplomat-type leasder such as Picard, but just doesn't work as well for a more aggressive, action-oriented character like Kirk.
No, I really think it worked out better that the original series cast ended up doing movies instead of a new series that pulled them away from the formula that had made TOS so successful, and then made it more like what TNG turned out to be. I think the TNG formula worked better for an all new cast that came free of expectations that the characters should be what they'd always been before, and what the audience had grown attached to.
I wonder what Roddenberry would think of the Star Trek shows they got today like that Discovery series. They dont have any of the problems in terms of production budget, sfx and practical effects and sets that they had back then. But something seems to be lacking with these new modern Trek shows.
I recall in summer of 1977 a full page advert for "the movie" in a American comic book
Matthew Cooper I saw the ad in one of my comics a little later in ‘78 in the inside back cover, I believe.
It blew my mind, plus seeing Scotty with a ‘stache made me recognize him as the Commander from the first season of Jason of Star Command!
My 7th grade English teacher took our entire class to see the movie during a matinee, still don’t know how she got permission!
Thanks heaps for this story. :)
This is a first! Comment and hearing this lore Thank you! That being said I'm not a die hard fan more of a general Sci-Fi enthusiast. What I do know is that of all the future world building that Science Fiction has done I would chose the Star Trek Universe over almost all others so far...
Good point.
I remember the 1979 TMP posters showing the PHASE 2. Enterprise . They were not showing the TMP ship until you saw the movie. So I was.confused when I saw the movie for the first time. I thought the artist of the poster goofed up or somthing. I had no idea there was a PHASE 2 show that was originally in the making.
It would have been interesting to see, even if it was only one full season. I’ve always been interested in what we didn’t get.
Inserting????
Would be far more interesting to see a 5 year mission series set from the end of TMP, ie Phase II effectively with look and feel of TMP
The actor who would had played Xon was in the 1st film on that dreaded space station that V'ger destroyed but was a human in that scene.
"Denny Crane... look me up!"
I noticed the theme music for the Jerry and Sylvia Anderson series UFO playing at the beginning of this video.
I read once that it was not only the release of Star Wars that helped cancel the series, it was the release of "Space 1999" into American syndication that was also a factor. The special effects in Space 1999 were beyond anything that they were ready to create for television, so they decided to make the movie instead.
I think the STTNG episode The Child is symbolic of what happened to ST Phase II. Data’s child died because it was not ready to cope with its new environment but what was created was somehow salvaged or passed along in some manner in Data.
Wrong episode. You’re talking about “The Offspring” season 4 episode. “The Child” is when Troi basically got raped in her sleep by an alien and had a child.
How sad we all missed out on Star Trek Phase 2. I would've watched that as I've watched everything Star Trek since the original TV series aired in Australia in 1968 (I think).🖖
Why was Leonard Nimoy only offered to appear in two episodes of Phase II? Wasn’t Spock the most popular character from the original series?
Because they didnt know if he was interested. It took a lot of cajoling to get him back for TMP. Nimoy hated Roddenberry and his manipulative ways.
Sal Paradise They didn’t think Nimoy was interested so he was only written in to two episodes, and then Nimoy was offended he was only written in to two episodes?? Sound like a right bunch of prima donnas! Hollywood, hey?!
@@gctlewis also a money issue
@@CaptainSpalding72 Most of the cast hated Shatner for pretty much the same thing, even Roddenberry didn't like him for always upstaging him. James Doohan hated him so much he refused an interview with him for one of his biographies. They looked like a happy family onscreen but in real life was totally different.
@@JohnFourtyTwo they have since reconciled. At at least with Nichols, Koenig. Takei is still a grudge holding twat. No one can remember what exactly Shatner did to him. Doohan and Shatner buried the hatchet a few years before his death. The show was about the starship Captain and Shatner was the star of the show. The Supporting cast didnt understand that for some dumb reason.
The Motion Picture was basically a reworking of season 2 episode The Changling with the evolved probe now changed to Voyager as voyager didn't exist at the time of the series but ties into the story well.
Ah yes, the first Trek Con in New York... and I was there. Not that I saw much of it, as I was usually busy working as a volunteer. Great times!
Ah, back when the creators cared about what the fans thought at least enough to continue the project as a movie. I'm pretty sure CBS hates trekkies and the best Star Treks you can find now that are new are the indi versions you find here on YT.
Back then they listened when they got tons of real fan letters in the mail. Now all they have to do is click the delete button and all that e-mail goes away like it never existed.
@@JohnFourtyTwo today, constructive criticism is labeled at "hate" or "mansplaining"
@@pierreo33 Very true, today it's either my way or the highway, no talking allowed.
Paramount was jealous of Star Wars ' success and turned the Phase II series into The Motion Picture. Had nothing to do with the creators.
The only Star Trek show that is currently on TV, that respects the true spirit of Star Trek is Lower Decks and that's because the creator of the show is a true Star Trek fan, unlike Kurtzman, who seems like he has never watched a previous Star Trek show in his life, if the creator of Lower Decks was in charge of making the other live action shows we would have shows that are a lot more like the shows that were created by Roddenberry, shows that Star Trek fans can appreciate.
Wow!!! Scotty looks so handsome with that gorgeous beard.
He was a handsome man and a war hero. His son Chris Doohan played Scotty on Star Trek Continues (available on UA-cam) and was wonderful in the role.
Those of us older enough to remember, in the first 1/3 of the 70's, Star Trek had kind of a renaissance thanks to syndication and Star Trek toys were produced and were highly popular. Then came the Animated series which was fantastic(all original cast members returned except, IIRC, Walter Keonig which, strangely, was because they couldn't afford the entire original cast). But that show had success as well which probably rekindled interest in a live action show again. Unfortunately it didn't come to pass but we did get a resurgence in Star Trek mostly thanks to the movies then TNG.
...excellent info & presentation
Many of these Phase Two and Genisis II story lines were used in the Next Generation
THANKS FOR THIS! LOVED FINDING OUT ABOUT THIS FASCINATING PART OF THE STORY IN THE INTERIM SHADOWS OF THE EVOLUTION OF THE STAR TREK FRANCHISE.
There was an eerie similarity between the relationships of William Decker/Ilia and William Riker/Troi.
Nothing eerie about it. It was said that the characters were re-worked into Troi and Riker.
Totally skipped the years 1973-75, during which Star Trek The Animated Series was being aired on Saturday mornings, and totally greased the wheels for Phase II and TMP.
"eye-lee-ah"
I am old enough to remember this.
Interesting, there were alot of TNG episodes that were originally written for STAR TREK PHASE II
Thank you .
Did _Starlog_ magazine report years ago that the Phase Two bridge set was scrapped, since TMP would require a more advanced set?
The TMP bridge was built over the top of the framework of the "Phase II" bridge. When it was finally pulled down, to clear the "Star Trek: Voyager" soundstage for filming to begin on "Enterprise", rotting wooden struts were seen to be marked "Star Trek II", the working title of the proposed TV series sequel to TOS.
@@ianmclean1568 Thanks for your reply! So, apparently the original set was _assimilated!_
Exactly! It also became the TNG battle bridge and the VGR main bridge.
TMP and the VGer story was a retread of TOS "The Changeling". Virtually identical stories - Earth probe, lost, damaged, found by machines , fixed, sent back to find it's creator.... How did no one ever notice this??
TMP credits clearly read "Based on Star Trek by Gene Roddenberry". ;)
it would make a cool animated series these days, a nice prequal series to the motion picture. a bridge between TOS and TMP.
Fascinating!
In some parallel reality, 'Phase II' exists... and I believe that late-'70s continuation of the classic series would have been great.
I wonder why they only chose to use Spock for two of the proposed 13 episodes, considering Spock was, beyond arguably Kirk, the most iconic character? Unless Nimoy was asking too much fee, it is baffling.
Another influence of Phase II (and thus TMP) had on TNG was the Holodeck. We see a very early concept of this in TMP, with games and relaxation much more based in "reality" but clearly the seeds of what would become the holodeck. I believe this concept was in the original Phase II outline.
TMP has got a lot of flack over the years (and rightly so in many regards), but I think the story itself would have fared much better on TV not the big screen. It is a decent plot if used well and would make a good TV episode, but is not spectacular enough, even a bit mundane, for a big screen outing IMO.
Oh by the way, I love the style of those old painted concept art pictures, I really miss that style in this everything-done-by-a-computer age.
The holodeck was also in TAS.
Great Post Thanks for sharing.
Great video!
A few FYIs. 1:30 The Jun 30, 1975 script was NOT given the title "The God Thing". We have it here and the title is simply "Star Trek II". The "God Thing" title appears to have been applied retroactively, and was supposed to be the title of the novel Roddenberry was supposed to pen based on the script. What are you basing this "this script was never submitted" statement on? 2:21 The Allen Scott project was not actually titled "Planet of the Titans". The treatment was titled STAR TREK and the film was going to be called STAR TREK-The Motion Picture. After Allen & Scott departed, Kaufman tried to write his own version of the material, and finished one treatment around April 1977, but Katzenberg reportedly called him on May 8 to say the film was dead. 2:56 the 1977 announced Star Trek "Phase" II show was only called that for a hot second and the "Phase" was almost immediately dropped. All the production documents call the show "Star Trek II". 8:16 Collins was NOT bast as Decker for the TV show. Wise cast him for the movie...the only major role he did.
As a proud Star Trek TOS purist I don't think much was missed in no Phase 2 movie or series. TOS was IMO the story line, casting and acting as it's best. It was also a product of the 1960's- as was Lost in Space. As the 60's left us so did the dynamics that produced a short list of series that identify with that decade. Start Trek TOS is IMO a stand alone classic series that really needs nothing further. People will be watching it in 100 years, long after the movies or any followup series is long forgotten.
Omg The Child being an idea from the 70s makes SO MUCH more sense!!! All the rapey episodes probably stemmed from those scripts. Those stories always seemed so incongruous with the 80s.
awesome vid. just subbed you. st new voyages had episodes based on st phase2 episodes. I like how phase2 would have added additional uniform varieties. i'm an army veteran, and a uniform enthusiast.
It was actually given the title Star Trek II but since we now have a Star Trek II movie, it was retroactively called Star Trek Phase II. If you look at the show bible and scripts they are marked with a Star Trek II logo.
Phase II never came out because Paramount was trying to launch its own television network but couldn't. The other "big three" networks in the US went to all their biggest commercial clients and told them if they ran commercials on Paramount's new network then NBC, CBS and ABC would stop showing their commercials on their networks. Paramount needed advertising to launch and nobody were willing to work with them and only them. So Paramount scrapped their network plans and channeled all the expense of founding a television network onto Star Trek: The Motion Picture's budget.
As much as I loved the original series, and trust me I literally GREW UP a fan of Star Trek which aired on my second birthday for the first time. I always loved the adventures of Spock, Kirk, McCoy and Scotty!! Even the animated series peaked my interest as I was still mainly a child when they came out!! But then over time came shows and movies like Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica, and the original 1977 Star Wars: A New Hope and I was hooked on other franchises. So much so that when Star Trek The Next Generation came out and then Deep Space Nine, I hated those shows to the point where I started to question why anybody would like them!!
After all Kirk was the "Shot first ask questions later" type of guy and then you had Picard who was basically a huge wussie that always tried to reason or compromise himself out of a bad situation!! Sorry but have you LOOKED at the world around you, because those tactics SELDOM IF EVER actually work!! You can't "reason" or "bargain" with a lot of people even in today's world 2019, and it is as true in The Original Series as it is today.....actions speak louder than words!!!
Besides too by the time The Next Generation came out, I was then in my mid to late 20s, and I had already started becoming way more cynical about things I saw around me as well too!! And for years I worked my tail off thinking "Some day I will get ahead, some day I will win" and year after year all that I had held close to my heart slowly died, including the ambition to set goals, the hopes and dreams I once had, and the feelings of "love" and "caring" I so strongly searched for were gone!! And now in my late 30 near 40s I hated watching reruns of Star Trek the Next Generation and thought to myself "Who writes this crap? The world is never going to be so diplomatic, shiny and "perfect" and only a fool could buy into these stupid ideas of how our species "over came" our problems to make THIS SHIP!"
You see in my life by the time I hit my 40s I had never seen compassion, I had never known actual LOVE, hell I didn't know a single damn person that actually GAVE A SHIT about anybody but themselves either anyhow as well......and it was around 2002 and my world was literally falling apart around me!!
And for the next 4 years, through periods of homelessness and despair I refused to watch a lot of TV as usual!! Star Trek the Next Generation was for people too stupid to realize that in the real world "diplomacy" and "reason" do not always work. And in my life ALL I had ever known was chaos, conflict pain and suffering, to the point where I just wanted to be "left alone" and "do my job" and just "keep on to my own thing" to do what I do best.....survive and get through another day!! And for the next ten years I lost total interest in Star Trek, Star Wars, Enterprise, The Next Generation, Battlestar Galactica, and ANY OTHER silly stupid TV show or movie, that made meaningless ideas of "political correctness" and fairness and social justice their priority!! To me there was just something "missing" in science fiction a sense of "THIS could be real" about it that seemed to make the Sci Fi empty and hallow to me!!
Like I just said I was homeless in 2002....that is important!!
You see in 2008 I returned to my home state of New York, and I dreaded coming back having lived in North Carolina for almost 5 years. After all it meant being homeless a bit longer and I had been homeless at that point for almost 9 years and getting close to ten years when I think about it!! And after bouncing around living in a Walmart parking lot in a 1985 Chevy van, and then a tent in a camp ground for almost two more years I found myself living in a mobile home owned by a friend of mine who took me in finally. The year was 2010 now AND as I sat on my computer one night reading a few different things on UA-cam, I stumbled across a show from 2002 I had never heard about...........FIREFLY!!!
It is then after watching Firefly I realized, that I am a lot like Malcom Reynolds! I have lost faith, lost hope and in my world nothing is ever just easy!!! And you are better off to shot first and ask questions later...because diplomacy NEVER WORKS only actions do!!!
Had the captions on. "Devil's Due" read as "Devil's Jew".
Devil's Juice.
It's the accent
I know. When I saw it, I just had this image of Eric Cartman writing the captions.
There you go. Google's voice recognition is antisemitic! Just ask Uncle Leo or Walter Sobchak, they'll agree!
i thought Marta Debois was a sexy devil!
The character Data was the best character ever created, a legend.
People you meet in the "ruined it for everyone" ring of Hell: Yoko Ono, Kathleen Kennedy, Gail Berman (cancelled Firefly), Meghan Markle, and the guy from Paramount who cancelled Phase II.
3:35 Oh No!!!!!! You know what that ship looks like.
That’s where they got the idea.
@@5roundsrapid263 Yeah but the design was rejected for a reason. A starship should NOT look like a giant Pizza Cutting Wheel...in space.
Bill23799 I’m not praising it. I absolutely detest Discovery!
Exactly. Also, think about the satellite of the machine world they are talking about.
"Gene also wanted to show 23rd century Earth for the first time, something that was never shown on the original series."
This is incorrect. 23rd century Earth was shown in the original _Star Trek_ pilot "The Cage" -- which was later broadcast as the 2-part episode "The Menagerie".
1, from a distance city scape, Mojave California.
You have to remember that The Cage never aired until the mid 80s, and none of the Earth shots made it into The Menagerie - none of the 2-parter was set on Earth. So, at that time, the statement was accurate.
@@christopherblue4574 True. But I think that picnic scene in the Menagerie has been restored to the ep, on DVD release.
@Ronald Hill ALL played by women!
@Ronald Hill Correct!
But Phase 2 *was* actually made into a series! In fact *two* fan web series with good production value (ST continues ans ST: New Voyages Phase II) were made in the last 10 years with about 10 episodes each, both with TOS characters continuing the 5 year mission. Course it wasn't like it was going to be - Decard and Illia have both played their part other ways - but they did adapt original scripts of phase 2 and bring back some of the old cast members. Unfortunately, Paramount's recent litigation with ST Axanar made them unable to continue as they had been, but they got in a good run of episodes. You can find both on youtube.
Star Trek Continues begins about 2 seconds after "Turnabout Intruder" ends, and its final episode has Kirk in his Admiral's uniform, pre-TMP. There were more episodes planned, but the Axanar situation happened and they were unable to make those other episodes. It's a shame, because this is (in my opinion) the best of the fan film series.
Star Trek phase 2 is a fan made series on UA-cam. Look it up. You may find it as Star Trek continues
Not quite. "Star Trek Continues" is actually a different group. James Cawley's "Star Trek: Phase II" was previously known as "Star Trek: New Voyages". After a few episodes, they reverted to their "New Voyages" title.
Few of the episodes in TNG season two used scripts written already phase 2 during the writers strike. Idea for Paramount being for the 4th Network. Note Star Trek the movie They went through 71 scripts before agreeing on one for Motion Picture
As long as there's been Star Trek since, why had there not even been a mention of Deltans?
I agree.
Trip mentions them in Enterprise. IIRC, there were deltans in Star Trek III and VI.
I haven't heard Trip, yet, mention them but I haven't seen all episodes either.
"Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" had Genesis scientist, Jedda, mentioned in the script has being Deltan. But it was decided not to make John Vargas shave his head since being Deltan didn't turn out to be a crucial factor in the story. Jedda and his female Deltan mate are featured in the novelization. In 2141, the "ECS Horizon" encountered a group of Deltans. Travis Mayweather, who was fifteen at the time, later described them as very attractive and very open. On the advice and invitation of his father, he dealt with the feelings they engendered in him by performing exhausting workouts in the gym, a method he returned to (and recommended to Lt. Malcolm Reed) aboard the "Enterprise" in 2154. (ENT: "Bound").
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