So You Want to Be a MILITARY DOCTOR [Ep. 5]
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- So You Want to Become a Military Doctor. Here's how you can decide if military medicine is a good field for you, how to become a military doc, and some of the lesser known truths of being one.
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00:45 - The Two Paths to Military Medicine
01:00 - HPSP
02:34 - USUHS
03:32 - How is Military Medical Training Different?
04:21 - Military Match & Specialty Choice
07:05 - Who Should Consider Military Medicine?
07:12 - The Two Paths to Military Medicine
07:38 - Lower Compensation
03:51 - Inflexible Practice Location
08:02 - Limited Fellowship Options
08:20 - Additional Considerations
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You should do one for the dental surgery pathway!
please please do so you want to be a pediatrician, i really want to become one but I don’t know what I have to do
can you make one on pathologists?
Could you do a video discussing the pros/cons of going into an MD/PhD program?
youtube recommendations: so u wanna be a military doctor
me: no i dont, but ill watch this anyway
The hero we need. Thanks for watching
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I'm HPSP. Correction-we do NOT do basic military training, or BMT. We do a modified version of officers training that varies slightly by branch but is farrrrr different from basic.
It's also worth nothing that while practicing (after residency) civilian definitely pays better, military residencies actually pays better. (About 70k). They also generally aren't as hellacious because of additional regulations (welcome to the military!) so in general the hours are better. IN GENERAL.
You'll also rarely be deployed basically unless you want it. Think about it- they just spent 200k-400k paying for you to go to school, then 3-5 years training you. Do you really think they'd risk you getting shot after all that?
spideylover what branch are you in?
So is the lower compensation number only during your payback years? Or does that somehow carry over to after that period as well? Or am I misunderstanding the whole “payback period” process
@@donovanpollock808 air force
@@lsampierlsampier4923 I think you're misunderstanding. After residency is when you "pay back" with years of service working as a full-on doctor.
@@lsampierlsampier4923 There is a published military pay scale which determines pay based on rank and years in service. All military officers of any job are given this base pay for their entire career, whether it's payback or not. Some jobs, such as physician, are given bonuses on top, and there are a variety of other bonuses that come from extra/alternate duties like combat, flight, and sea pay. The payback period does not affect your pay at all, only how long you are required to keep working and getting paid.
3 CRITICAL points missing
1. Your years in residency DO NOT count for your time obligations. Your 4 years for HPSP and 7 years for USUHS wont start until you are board certified. Therefore, expect between 7 to 12 years of your life to be dedicated to military practice.
2. It's worth mentioning that you will not work with billing and insurances. Everyone you see is required by UCMJ (United Code of Military Justice) law to follow your diagnosis, treatment plans and prescriptions, your patients are regularly drug tested and are required to maintain a healthy weight and exercise daily. You wont be up late after seeing patients dinking around with insurance companies and wont have to worry about denying people a specific test because they're not covered. It's a life of pure doctoring your patients. That's a double edged sword though because when you get out you WONT have the medicine as a business experience like your civilian peers.
3. For those thinking "At 12 years plus my 4 at USUHS I might as well go to retirement," bare in mind your years for residency and school will not count for time in service BUT will be added to your pension. That means assuming you have no prior service time you will retire 20 years from the date you graduate residencie and at that time they will also add 7-12 years onto your retirement essentially taking your pension and adding to it.
Now I'm grandfathered into the old half pay at 20, three-quarters at 30, full pay at 40 plan so I unfortunately dont know how the new retirement plan works but the years applied is still true if you want to make it to retirement.
EDIT: I'm reading some HPSP recipients making claims that you wont be deployed. You WILL go where you are told and when you are told. Always have the mindset that anyday you will be give a call to serve. Be prepared to engage the enemy and fulfill your duties as a physician. NEVER accept the mentality that you are just using the services as a means to enrich your life. You ARE an American Soldier/Airmen/Sailor! If you're not willing to risk your life for your brothers and sister in the box then stay the hell out and be a civilian doctor, you're not wanted. You love the military, you love being a military doctor, you want to serve because you want to be part of the most elite force on the planet. Dont ever take advice from someone who talks about how easy or posh its gonna be. Go in with the mentality that you want every hardship, deployment, struggle and trial that can possible happen because you want to serve for good or bad. If you're like that then I welcome you to my elite family, we need you and we want you.
Logistics aside, what was your experience being a military doctor?
Are you a military doctor?
Alright let's get some questions answered.
I was enlisted for 8 years, went to school and was contracted with the DoD to be a educational council specialist. My civilian job while going to college was to work with recruiters to ensure veterans recieved all there benefits. I regularly work with the AMEDD recruiters, in fact I help author some of the SOP for there book. I know just about ever reg and stipulation for Military medical education.
I was accepted into Medical and have first hand experience with the process. I did not attend USUHS but know everything that goes on there from both my personal visits and my peers who did attend that institution.
With that out of the way I'm happy to address any questions you all may have.
@Benjamin SHEN Can you be more specific? It sounds like you're talking about the 18X contracts with the national guard. If you're talking active duty you can not do both your MOS and medical school. You are slotted as a cadet with a non deployable statues while in medical school so that becomes your new MOS. (I also take it you may not be a vet as calling SOF "important" is pretty much a civilian mindset. There are no "important" jobs. Each MOS is essential to the mission, you're not getting preferential treatment for being a cool guy) If you make it through any RASP, SFAS, BUDS, or any other SOF selection they're not gonna let you just leave with your beret or your trident and let you go be a doctor. Youre at the mercy of your chain of command and letting them know your not committed to their mission day one after graduation is no way to start a new life in SOF. If you want to be an operator be an operator. If you want to be a doctor be a doctor. If you want to be both go to selection and be ready to invest an extra 6 to 7 years to get to where you wanna be. I've worked with a few 18D who eventually went to med school. Both were over 35 and didnt start their practice or making money until they were about 43. If you wanna wait half your life to be a doctor go for it. Otherwise I'd advise focusing your goals.
Going back to what I said earlier the 18X in the guard allows you to be Army SF as a guardsmen. You'll do the full Q course (1-2years) and return home. When you deploy you'll deploy with other active or Guard SF units to do SF missions. You can do medical school at the same time as this as you are a civilian BUT you will not be able to receive the HPSP. Again, that scholarship comes with the new slot and cadet statues. So you can be SF and a med student but itll be out of your own pocket. I know one guy that did this. Got deployed twice so Med school took him 7 years. Had to repeat years 1 and 2 twice.
Also USUHS is the only option where you'll have real rank as a 1LT. HPSP will have you as a cadet.
I was in Military Medicine for about 8 years and the best way to prepare for it is to look at each task/challenge as an opportunity to learn new skills and explore different places rather than just not getting your way all the time. You also will have a much larger scope than civilian practice and it really can't be beat for that. If I could go back in I definitely would.
What forced you to leave?
@@joseavila5099 I got a great job opportunity in the civilian sector but I honestly will always miss the military life.
I love how when he said “captain in the army and Air Force” it showed a picture of a Marine.
I know.... Marine Cpl > Airforce/army captain
Can you make a video for international students getting into medical school? And I just want to remind you “You are an inspiration!!!”
Do you have to attend college to be a military doctor?
@@anthonyy4345 definitely yes, because you're still a doctor after all. You need to go to college to be a doctor.
My advice and recommendation is complete your medical school, internship and residency in civilian hospitals. The clinical training and specialty training programs are more robust in civilian teaching hospitals. After gaining your board certification, you can join the military, preferably in the reserves already qualified as a specialist doctor (with higher rank and pay) and just focus on adapting to military life, non-medical duties. Trying to juggle your specialist training and military obligations is not easy at times, and the endpoint is you want to get board certified.
For those not familiar with the military rank system, a Navy lieutenant is equivalent to an Air Force/Army captain. A Navy captain is equivalent to an Air Force/ Army colonel (06).
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Wow! One of the most useful videos I have ever watched on the topic. Solid content and expertise. Will forward to my son who is deployed as a medical resource in the National Guard and aspires to finish college and become an army doctor. Thanks again for the valuable information and clarity.
Thank you so much Kevin for making this channel. It's made a huge difference to my approach in life in general. My productivity is incredible. I would have never thought this would be possible! I've got some video requests for you:
- new suggestions for books (I've read all the ones you've mentioned so far!)
- how to keep up to date with the world's news when we have endless options to filter through. I would like to have a well rounded view of the world but it's not easy to filter through the junk/false news.
- how to keep up to date with the advancing of medicine. What magazines, websites etc. do you read?
For Canadians:
In canada its a 2 to 1 system. So every 1 month of schooling equates to 2 months of service. You get a salary of $62,000/year during med school. Average pay for doctors is worse than if you were a civilian doctor.
I'm ok with that, it's not about money, if it was we would all be selling life insurance contracts, and creating a residual payday.
Can Indian doctors join the Canadian military..?
@@nikkumathew As long as you're a citizen, I think you can.
So how much do you actually make after nee school when you are actually working
@@stunna7720 the stats are out there. Just look up the average salary of a medic
I never knew about this path, I think I found something to strive for while in college. Thank you!
This is EXACTLY what I needed. Thank you. I’m planning on being in the Navy as a physician.
i'm planning on the airforce because it's the safest, they treat their employees the best and you learn to fly
@@indiag6361 why would the doctor for soldiers at sea need those things ?
@@Ryanbros I'm going to be a army doctor
All the best guys wish you a happy journey ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you so much for this!!! I have been seriously considering military medicine and appreciate the info!!!
I’ve been researching about this for a while now thank you so much
i am still waiting for “so you want to be a pediatrician”
very impressed you did an episode on this. This is what I am hoping to do.
Always look forward to these videos and this one is close to home.
I'm glad I watched this video. I'm considering going into one of the military med school programs, and this was informative.
Thanks for doing this video. I will definitely consider this when the time comes.
Great video. Looking forward to you doing one of these for psychiatry
Thank you so much, I had been researching this career for awhile and this video gave me the summary I needed
"So You Want to be ..." is a fascinating series of videos.
It’s funny I finished my contract as active duty enlisted. The docs on my ship were always the most laid back and cool. Makes me consider going into medicine
Dr. Jubbal, great video. Thank you for helping to spread the word. There is one other lesser known pathway to attend medical school. Those who have been selected to attend the United States Military Academy (West Point). Cadets can apply to medical school after completing their four years of undergraduate education. While by no means guaranteed, those who achieve good grades, successfully engage in research, and show the requisite level of discipline and planning have gone on to become medical doctors.. Some have even made it to top-tier medical schools (Harvard, Stanford, Yale).
Wow. Thank you so much for the video. I'm actually interested. I'm currently getting my nursing degree, but medicine has always interested me. 😊
This is just what I needed! Thank you so much!
I’ve been going through a lot these past couples years but I’ve always wanted to help people and I see as being a Marine medic as a way for me to do that. Thank you a lot this video introduced me to things I didn’t really know and it helped motivate me to keep going.
Marines don’t have medics you’ll have to join the Navy as a Green side Corps man because the Marines don’t have medical jobs
Hot damn, thank you man. Again another excelent video.
You are a doctor and you can create such beautiful animations, teach me master.
I want to add something here: first, I had a miserable time until I did some soul-searching. I got out after 7 years and wish I had not. Here is the thing: people who complain about military service don't realize that ANY organization will suck in the beginning. The key is in remembering that if you work hard, get the right connections and behave yourself, you will advance and thrive. Expect shitty commands in the beginning. You ain't gonna be on staff in Bethesda or San Diego. More like Diego Garcia. But, hang in there. Pay: it used to be that doctors do their time, get out and make more money than civilian counterparts. Uh, no longer. Here is what you don't have to deal with as a military doctor: malpractice insurance, managed care, healthcare insurance for you and dependents, no pre-authorization bullshit and so-forth. Stick it out 20 years, you can retire, receive a pension and continue in civilian practice. Or stay in until retirement. If you hate patients (like I do), you can go an admin. pathway. The possibilities are endless. Want to be a flight surgeon? You can be part of aviation. Like SEALS? Then, you can do undersea medicine. I wish I had known this 20 years ago. I'm not gonna blow smoke up your ass: much of it completely sucks. But ask yourself this: how is that different from civilian medicine these days? Doctors don't get respect anymore. But military doctors who make an actual difference as support staff? Different story! I miss the uniform. However miserable I was, it filled me with pride. And now: I just spend my off-time drinking alone in the basement while staring at a brick wall. I rest my case.
Hi,Sir!
I have immense respect for military doctor . I would love to talk to you.
I would be honoured if you give me this opportunity .
Thought about that as an career option but pleding myself 21 years is a very long time! Nice video!
Love this series! I would also love to see a video about how to get either into medical school or into medical recidency in the USA as an internation student/international medical graduate.
I could imagine moving to the USA to enter medical school but I also kind of want to take advantage of the mostly "free" college education here in Germany. Is it better to move to the USA to join medical school or can you take advantage of the inexpensive education in your homecountry and move to the USA to start a medical recidency afterwards. Thanks for all the videos you put up, they are truly helpful and interesting as someone who is considering studying medicine after I graduate from high school!
You missed one. The FAP (Financial Assistance Program). I attended a civilian medical school and completed civilian residencies and fellowships. During my 2nd year of residency, I learned about the FAP and decided to go for it. Basically, I got commissioned as a Captain (USAF) and started receiving the Captain's base pay. This continued throughout my fellowship. When I completed fellowship, attended COT (Commissioned Officer Trainig) and subsequently went on active duty. I worked in the USA and in Europe. The "payback" was each year of "sponsorship" plus one. (4.5 years total in my case) It was a great experience. No regrets.
Military compensation may be "lower", but large portions of it, such as BAH (basic allowance for Housing) and BAS (basic allowance for subsistence, i.e. food) are not taxed, leaving a larger take-home pay. Then there are a lot of free benefits such as healthcare, dental, gyms recreation and entertainment. Later, there are lots and lots of VA benefits: GI Bill, disability, VA home loans etc. Military service is the gift that keeps on giving.
The timing of this video was perfect! Thanks to my AED org on my campus I was able to meet and speak to a aerospace doctor who went through the military route for med school. This definitely help better understand the process.
Though I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Navy’s medical ships?
I really liked the video because I have been waiting for it all along✌️
A few corrections. Army doctors/PAs assigned to a battalion are deployed constantly because if the unit goes, they go. Also, the military pays massive bonuses to medical officers.
I wanted to do this. I think there's an age limit. I REALLY admire the folks who did this.😊❤👨🏾⚕️
(As a current Active Duty medic) After I get out active duty I plan to transfer reserves, finish my BA and apply to HPSP in my home state, graduate with a specialty in Family Medicine and perform my residency as needs of The Army. Now then, alright! - come on MS1-4's, start throwing rocks at my dreams!
(Prior service Medic that's currently an M1) Go for it. Not impossible in the slightest. Only thing, you don't graduate with a specialty. You'll be a Family Med doctor if you match with a Family Med program in the Army and complete it, so you actually have to steer yourself toward it. Best of luck!
Alex Belardo any more advice
Being a military physician has been my goal since I graduated high school. I’ve volunteered at a VA clinic and shadowed with an Air Force dermatologist. It’s definitely a different world from civilian, but it’s amazing in different ways. Another interesting aspect is the fact that serving as a gmo increases your chances of getting into a specialty. The dermatologist I shadowed with was in the bottom 15% of his medical school class, and served as a flight surgeon for 8 years and was then accepted into one of the highest ranked dermatology residencies in the country because of his extended service as a gmo. Also, if you stay in past your service requirement, you receive retention bonuses to entice you to remain serving. In addition to the $150-200000 you make as a physician, you also receive up to $400,000 every four years after your service obligation is up. You may not live as well off as some civilian practitioners, but it’s safe to say you will still be living quite comfortably. USUHS is my number 1 school of choice and I’m looking forward to applying in just over a year!
Did you make it in ?
Any progress buddy?
@@lostship now a first year med student on an Air Force hpsp scholarship :)
@@densestlemon6241congratulations!!! 🎉
Great vid, 2 small critiques, the image of the Army captain at 4:45 is actually a Marine non-commissioned officer uniform, and also in Navy HPSP you come in at the equivalent rank of second lieutenant for the Navy, Ensign (O-1). You do not mention the civilian deferment for residency for the Navy, and that's a good thing because it raises more questions than answers- ENS Dunne, USNR MC, HPSP
Just found this! You answered all my questions, thanks :)
My dad retired from the Army so I grew up going to military hospital all my life. I just started going to civilian hospitals 3yrs ago. I’ve shadowed both military and civilian docs. I could see myself being a military doc or being a civilian doc on a military base
Awesome video! Could you cover pediatrics, emergency medicine or anesthesia in the next “so you want to be” video? Thanks for the content! 😁
Coming out debt free is a definite plus. My Family Practice doc once told me that had he not coming through the military he wouldn't be able to afford to be in family practice. Debt would be too high.
Your site is so dope, great idea 👏
I plan on going to the military but I also wanted to help other in need so I think being a medic is a fine job for me.
"Captain in the army and airforce", shows enlisted Marine lmao🤦♂️
The cardo video had Canada and the UK highlighted when talking about the US and UK.
lol I was thinking the exact same thing
lol
Can you please do "So you want to be a pediatrician?" Thank you 😊
Excellent video
Dr. Jubbal, can a person with hyperhidrosis be a doctor? Your channel is amazing!
not in the US, hate exercise, short and scared of war....yeah lets watch this video!
I totally embraced it
Specialties of interest are ophthalmology, otolaryngology, psychiatry, dermatology, pulmonology, radiation oncology, (nuclear & interventional) radiology, immunology, & toxicology.
Video for those going into the medical field after the military. More specifically the fact that we are starting much later than everyone else. As well as the fact the we didn't do medical specific jobs
Omg, thank uuuuuu for this video
Omg i didn’t know that thank you so much
This is the best series please add more l
Pls do a "so you want to be" for Orthopedic Surgery. The series is enlightening.
As a Navy Corpsman I worked with almost only Navy Doctors. Yes I worked with some Air Force ones too. The Navy if matches to Family or Internal Medicine you have greater chances of not being a GMO. I worked in a Navy Emergency treatment facility like a 13 bed ED however the attendings where either FP or GMOs no one trained in EM. I also worked FP, IM, Peds, and Flight medicine. One of the GMOs who did a surgery internship said the patient load was lower at the military hospital than her final surgery rotations as a 4th year. Two last things the FP and IM doctors got more trauma training and IM got exposure to GYN. Last patients didn't have billing which is dramatically different experience.
Wow, you’ve actually managed to get me hooked to consider this as a career. I just don’t know if I’m up to the challenge if that’s what you’ll call it. If I can handle premed alright, do I have a shot? I’m an Eagle Scout as well which is what kinda motivates me to consider this more than to just “get a good MCAT score and good to a good medical school, residency, etc.” It’s so different but yet I still get my license and do what I want in practicing medicine.
Joseph Stalin
Mr Stalin if I may put forward a suggestion, perhaps change your family name. Try something like Smith.
How's your son doing?
It says 90 years ago
I really hope we have that here in the Philippines.
PLEASE do a “So you want to be an anesthesiologist “ !!!
Please do so you want to be an OB-GYN! That is my goal and I really need help on how to get there. I love your videos can't wait until I become a dr.!
A couple of questions. How does military training translate to civilian life once you have completed your required service? Does someone with a significant research background prior to medical school have the option to pursue a research residency? What does a residency for military medicine look like? Even though the compensation is lower, does that not matter because the military usually pays for your housing and food based on where you’re stationed (essentially, you’re just pocketing a bunch of money)? Would love to have some feedback! Great video!
Hey, I really enjoy the 'so you want to be'-video series. Could you do neurosurgery next?
I can :)
@@MedSchoolInsiders Highly Seconded! Been waiting for this one since day one, neurosurge is my ultimate goal, I watch all ur vids and will be subscribing to your tutoring services soon ;)
Great video!
Man, I wish they would do this for the field of psychology or pedagogy. 😅 Would help a lot!
thank you very much You have really helped me though I am ugandan and most things are different here
this is really the best way to go if you practice primary care and or low to mid paying specialty. Invest properly you can be a millionire before residency ends
this is exciting
Am so happy for the drills yea it’s going to be the best people making me do 100 push ups ya
Hey ! Please do a Video about being a doctor working for the Doctors Without Borders
Please do " So you want to be a orthopaedic surgeon" 😊😊
I am a military medical student in Turkey. It is a very difficult job but very proud.
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Wow I think this is what I want to do
Im honestly so amazed by both of these programs. Till now I only the German system. If you were to study medicine at the German military you also get your free tuition and money for a living. But after you’re done (7 Years!) studying you are expected to do another 3 year study and specialise in a certain medical field which you don’t get to choose. So after you’ve studied for 10 years you are required to stick with the Bundeswehr for at least 17 years, more often 35. During this period you have to go to war at least 3 times and you can be moved throughout the country wherever there is the need of a doc. The us system seems to be so much better
I’m currently in 10th grade this year but this is what I want right now
I've heard that your residency is considered part of your schooling while you're enlisted. So, you end up serving 4 years for medical school + 4 years for a residency before you have served your required time, and if you do a fellowship you have to stay in even longer.
I have a friend who's consistently serving in the Middle East. He brags about how getting shot at is nothing new and expected during a tour. He has been married 5 times and divorced 5 time due to women not liking his deployment, but he enjoys serving more than anything else in the world.
Yes thanks
I would say a big thing is that as a Medical officer you need to have a love for teaching. I've been an enlisted military medic for 10 years now and the best physicians I have worked with were even better teachers. I've been able to do small surgical procedures such as toenail removals, cyst removals, and even vasectomies because of some stellar medical officers. Please do not become a medical officer in the armed forces unless you would like to teach a medic how to do something cool and mildly invasive while you sit back and offer help where needed. we love that shit.
Special Forces Surgeons and PJ’s are also other great medical routes in the military
DO ONE ABOUT THE EMERGENCY ROOM!!!
Please, I’m about start MD school, do one for orthopedic surgeons especially in light of the step1 change. Thanks 🙏
Medical school insider...if you reading this comment.plz do “So you want to be a pediatrician”
Could you do a So you want to be a Pediatrician. Please!
By the way your videos are really helpful
Yes
wow that is amazing
Informative and very easy to digest. Excellent! Perhaps you could do neurosurgery next?
yes
You can also do reserves with a stipend no tuition or a direct commission
I've been thinking about joining the military for sometime now. I'm a BSN student.
Could you please do a "Day in the life of an airforce doctor"?
Dr. J,
I would be really interested if you were do cover the concept of tactical medicine.
Often they won't let you subspecialize depending on needs. There is an added "professional pay" to help fill the gap between civilian and military pay. It's significant but not near what you get in the civilian world, as highlighted in this video. Also, USUHS is often pronounced "you-shoes".
Can you do a "so you wanna be a medical lab technologist"? I think it's an underrated profession yet alot of people choose that course :(
I would like to see "so you want to be an oncologist". Btw, your whole channel is GREAT
I'm from the philippines, and looking to be a military physician myself! Loved this video! Do you think you could do one on emergency medicine?
I'm from the ph too!
That's like the ROTC program.
So you want to be an ophthalmologist. Are they really considered “surgeons”. Would love a dedicated video on them!!