What I Wish I Knew Before MILITARY MEDICINE
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- Military medicine allows you to serve your country, see the world, and accomplish things you never thought possible. That being said, it is not for everyone. Here are the things that you need to know before becoming a military doctor.
First, flexibility is paramount. There is no such thing as being part-time military. Second there are unique military medicine challenges, such as the additional training you'll receive, including in trauma, weapons, and chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and explosive emergencies.
Third, career pyramids in the military are tracks that prepare you to go into different areas of practice as a physician after medical school. The pyramids are command, academic, master clinician, and operational.
Fourth, relationships are complicated as a military physician. As an officer, you are prohibited from dating other enlisted personnel.
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TIME STAMPS:
00:00 Introduction
00:22 The Importance of Flexibility
02:03 Unique Military Medicine Challenges
03:26 Career Pyramids
04:59 Relationships as a Military Doctor
06:40 Should You Choose Military Medicine?
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After over 6 years in military medicine and the minute you said “embrace the suck” I knew you actually got some real service members insight lol
I heard the Military Residency Route locks you into the Military for X numbers of years. But Walking out of the Military contract with zero debt and unique experiences during training is pretty powerful boon. Def some food for thought.
True, depends on which option of military medicine you're opting for.
@@yanmanuelmarrero1223 What are the choices ? asking out of pure curiosity
@@Rawhite007 At least, for HPSP you go to an accredited civilian US Medical School where you complete medical school and specialization you will give them back 4 years of Active Duty, but tuition will be paid fully. There's also USUHS where after you complete Medicine you have to serve up to 7 years of Active Duty. But the thing id that you're doing Medicine in a Military Medicine School, and you will start as 2Lt. You will do a lot of military stuff in that school, but the benefits are you're not only studying for free, your job is also to study which they pay you based on your pay grade.
@@yanmanuelmarrero1223 Get paid to study is the complete opposite experience from what I heard most Med Students go thru, namely the debt
so thats actually a really powerful option
USUHS is something I've wanted to do and is the reason why I'm working on my bachelor's. I'm a vet, so the military life for me is not difficult. I would say the most difficult thing I see people struggle with is the military life itself. I think this is a great choice if you can adapt to that life. The financial situation alone is a huge bonus, especially coming out of med school with absolutely no debt
Try the farm and country side life 🥰
I agree, people shouldn’t shy away from the military. It really isn’t that bad. I’ve made life long friends and I get jobs anywhere I go. All because I served
mil med is.... kinda iffy now.
@@UrsusHorribilishow long are military contracts usually? Thanks!
How hard is it to get accepted to military school to become a radiologist???
Something most people have never heard of is the pilot physician program in the air force or the dual designator program in the navy. This is for those that want to be both a doctor and an active duty pilot at the same time holding down both jobs simultaneously. It's really a unique experience.
i read about a family med doc that does this. sounds awesome!
Some of my instructors as a flight surgeon did aviation then medicine, exciting career for all of us.
Liked my military career as a flight surgeon far more than my state job where admin were fakes and cowards during crises.
I’ve had the opportunity to shadow with a few military physicians, one of which was the consultant to the surgeon general for his specialty. After spending a summer with him, I was thoroughly convinced I want to be a military doctor. Been volunteering for a VA for 6+ years and absolutely love working with veterans too so it really all just clicked. Can’t wait to apply next cycle and hoping I can get into usuhs!
did you do it
@@nicolash4209 I did :) now a first year med student on an Air Force hpsp scholarship
Also Fort Bragg has some badass medical units. My favorite one was the 274th Forward Surgical Team. Just imagine surgeons jumping out of planes to quickly set a tented trauma center and start operating on service members who were literally just blown up and shot.
my father was part of the 848 forward surgical team, he was deployed with them in afganistan.
@@jewishbagel6065 your father is a legend
Owen hunt 🥰
@@gaythugsmatter7029 Grey's Anatomy
I'm in the military and this is an excellent, informative video!
Glad this video was made Im a nursing major In ROTC and this was helpful
This is just the video i needed right now because this is the career path i want and i just joined the military as well.
Thank you guys so much ❤️
Joined army since its family tradition
this is true for almost any career in the military
CLAIMING THAT I'LL FINISH MED SCHOOL SOON!!!
Have you finished? How are you doing currently? :)
I rotated through a military Hospital for Neuro, pain management & anesthesia. It was fun!
MOPP gear will scare a LOT of people away. LOL what was shown was just a guy in standard combat gear, but MOPP is the bane of all service members! those were fun times.
I found ways to fall asleep pretty easily in mopp gear. Just need some good helmet liners and body armor is quite comfy on hard hospital flooring. All that padding really helps! Also the cold floor balances out the heat from the mask.
@@joezhangmd hey man, they say us service members learn to sleep anywhere lol
This is very good inside information to explain how to adapt to military and to civilian life after service. I hope we can see a So You Want To Be A Doctor Without Borders
Yes I really want to see this one bc it’s always been a dream of mine
Thank you for the video
Wanted this video for so long!
Ya ha
I’m going through ROTC and will prospectively apply for an HPSP scholarship to go to medical school and serve active afterwards, so this video pertains to me well
I did ROTC, dropped out my senior year because I wouldn’t get into medical school yet. A few gap years later, a SMP, a lot of hard work I got in later. I would suggest not doing ROTC if you want to become a physician, just apply to HPSP/UHUSH after. It’s a lot of work and very tedious and draining. I was doing a lot of research as well and in a tough major. Just a heads up. I am doing HPSP this coming year after I matriculate into my school.
@@eaglesfootballcards6984 I’m doing premed and ROTC do you think that’s a wise choice or should I wait until I’m done with school to go into the armed forces
@@mariamdiakite513 highly suggest focusing on your academics first, ROTC was awesome but it’s really geared towards making line officers.
This is pretty interesting! I’d like to see the pros and cons of military nursing if possible too
Pros - pay
Cons - pay
I’m obviously kidding but only partially. Your patient demographic is pretty much the same. It’s mostly, if not all, trauma medicine and you COULD say nature medicine but really mostly trauma.
You’re pretty much tied down to the hospital. If that’s your thing. Most posts get softball patients. If you’re a nurse that’s assigned to a “combat brigade” then you’re looking at more family medicine.
Good luck either way friend! Word of advise. Negotiate your bonuses. Do not let the recruiter convince you otherwise.
Also look into reserve components for nursing. You get treated extremely well and have the option to still work in the civilian sector.
A lot of the time the military will not consider a nurse until they have at least 1-2 years experience in the ICU/ER (ED) setting.
@@Gregnoxy Thanks so much! I’ll keep all of this in mind
Hey I absolutely love your videos but as an individual who is interested in the medical field it would be very helpful if you make a video breaking down the steps for an MBBS student to practicing medicine in the US as this is a very confusing topic to all international students.
Please make videos for best colleges for nursing majors and medical majors! I am a subscriber and like your videos a lot!
Hello doc ,would love to see if you explore or make a content pertaining to Aerospace medicine Doctors or explaning about it.
I’m so excited I’ve never been this early before. I loved this video though
Great video! Do you think you could make a Gap Year: before med school Pros/Cons video in the future?
Yes I embraced that!
Air Force SOST.
Nothing beats that!!!
Great video! I’m not sure if you’ve already done a video on this yet, I searched and searched but couldn’t find it if you did, but could you please do a “So you want to be a(n)” video on pediatric oncology?
The military will pack up house and deliver it to your new duty station. And provide you and your dependents travel pay.
i remember I wanted to do military medicine after the US military visited our school.
My favorite part is when they have idiots as providers, and as a result, people get told to quit harsh medications (SSRIs specifically) cold turkey, svc members are put on medications that have severe side effects/interactions without being told before hand, and my all time favorite is when you get told "just wait it out and come back tomorrow" when you are having suicidal ideation- ultimately resulting in there not being a tomorrow for many people.
Don't get me wrong, I have had a few decent providers, but for the most part those people were Nurse Practitioners in civilian attire rather than in uniform. I can confidently say that the majority of my military physicians (psychiatrists, primary care physicians, and especially OB/GYN doctors in many cases though I never dealt with them), should not have been providers/ should have had more oversight before being allowed to have the autonomy they are granted.
As someone who has been receiving military care for eight yrs I can truly say that they know little to nothing past basic or war zone medicine. They are highly under educated and experienced. The military decides what policy and standards they can use for diagnosis and care and are usually 5-10 yrs behind on credentials, training and CE for new procedures, treatments and surgeries. You are forced to do second opinions on your colleagues patients and deal with repercussions if your opinion differs from that of your colleague or chief, making your patient care accountability subject to the views of others or data that’s behind up to a decade. The approval process for CE is stated by the DOD to be ineffective and counterproductive so good luck learning that new data even if you wanted to. I can’t tell you as a patient how many times I’ve been told by a military provider, PA, NP, MD, DO that the military has their hands tied and they know I need xyz but can’t make it happen and refer me out of their hospital assuming I don’t end up with a colleague and then have to ask for a third opinion making your patient/dr relationship suffer with distrust, or question the ability to perform your job effectively and eventually leave the military practice or become a dr that’s self serving and only practice assembly line care that the military has allowed and laid out for you. It can all be summed up in one military forward saying…”if the Military wanted you to have individual care, they would have issued it..”
This comment seems to talk about something important that is missing: in the military, a general (or admiral) who has no medical training can tell you what to treat and can influence your diagnosis. Much more restrictive than civilian medicine.
And commanders can have influence on your medical limitations and profiles. I never saw anything like that until I joined the military. That free healthcare is definitely not the best. I miss Kaiser Permanente badly 😂
@@GreatBlazes123 depends where your stationed and chain of command mostly whenever I had medical care they’re pretty squared away however I know once you get out if you try and get care at the VA it’s fucken terrible 😂 tri care is much better depending on your plan because you can go to a lot of civilian clinics like Kaiser for example or if you want Military hospitals and clinics for a fraction of a civilian plan
@@JuanGarcia-dj2tt it all depends on your personal situation but as a civilian I can go and make whatever appointment I want at whatever doctor I want and show my insurance card and not wait months for an authorization.
@@GreatBlazes123 Yupp definitely depends on situations and duty station like I said me personally never had to wait months for authorizations for consults or appointments but know people who have at shitty duty stations and I know forsure the va is also shitty in terms of time to see a provider, my previous team sergeant at 7th group said he doesn’t even see the VA, he only went a few times when he first Ets’d so he could get his disability and benefits then they made him wait like almost a year to see a PT, so he just started getting care from a bunch of non profits that help out vets and SOF vets and they do it much more efficiently and cheaper to my knowledge, now he only sees them and uses his tri care to see civilian providers(usually Kaiser or cedar Sinai)or active duty clinics (like the ones at JBSA are great) for medical care
Negative, there is part-time military. Called reserve/guard. They also pay for most of your tuition called HPLRP and STRAP. Being in the guard/reserve you can be in your home state. One weekend a month and one annually two weeks
Does anybody know what software he uses to make these animation videos? It will be really helpful of you could tell me. Thank you
Chances are he has an animator/behind the scenes team
Dr. Vivina Napier is an OB/GYN in the USAF.
“There is no such thing as part-time military”
National guards:
Reserves:
Just out of curiosity: how do eye issues play a role in becoming a military physician? Say keratoconus (treated-stabilized with good vision), etc. Yes, personal question.
5:00
Anyone who's been in knows 'dating' and 'smashing' are two different things.
You had me at "embrace the suck"
i wish there was a useful channel like this but for PAs. these specific specialties are great to learn about but i always guess what a PA in the same field can do
The are very similar programs within the military for PAs. Specifically in the U.S. Army. If you are interested, look up the "Army IPAP". It's the Interservice Physician Assistant Program. It's very competitive, but just as rewarding. I served as an enlisted Combat Medic in the Army, and I've gotten the chance to work with a lot of PA's. One specifically said, that although the admission is competitive, the Army is "hurting for PAs" according to him. Check it out if you'd like.
IPAP isn’t only for army. It’s the same program for navy and Air Force. They aren’t hurting that bad. They’ve made the application even more stringent. PAs will typically serve in aid stations and primary care positions for service members only. dealing with a lot of chronic knee and back pain. There are currently three specialties that they can go into typically after a couple of years: emergency medicine, ortho, and general surgery.
PA's are rightfully creeping into flight surgeon roles, but physician flight surgeons aren't too happy about them having the opportunity to go through the same training as flight surgeon physicians... HAHA SUCKS FOR THEM. PA's all the way.
I'll consider
You must have "FLEXIBILITY" because there is no "part time", proceeds to be only open from the hours of 0700-1100 and 1330-1600 (on good days), closed on weekends, and not available on Tuesdays for "training".
Please I want you to make video on correctional medicine because I want to become a correctional doctor.
Huh just hired you guys a while back for something like this lol
Not to insult your intelligence, but there totally is part-time military. However, if by saying that you meant everyone, even reservists, are always on call and have to maintain readiness, that's a good point.
For how many years are the military contracts?
This one seems to not have an advisor understand the difference between military and civilian medicine. I knew many Surgeons say the got more experience I 4th year rotations than there surgery internship in the Navy. Flight Surgeon in the Navy unless there's been dramatic changes nothing to do with special warfare. The cool part is many non fellowship trained doctors can do procedures that only fellowship trained doctors do (my observation working military medicine compared to middle size 240 bed hospitals close to major cities) example IM does cardioversion where at a community hospital never saw electve afib crdioversion performed by only cardiologist.
And want to become a bone doctor and join the military. But I don't have a lot of information on it. I would like to get some.
Can IMGs become military physicians or match into a military residency? If so how?
Maybe in the Army but hard to get.
You might not see the world. The military decides where you go. You might see all of Kansas, Georgia, and Louisiana.
Ok
Bro what do you mean there is no such thing as part time military the National Guard is literally part time with full time benefits
im currently in med school, cant wait to spawn peek those bots
Hello, I am an international student looking for med school scholarships. Going for military medicine in the US is a sure path to a scholarship but I not sure I want to do it. What can I do instead?
There are very few options for scholarships for medical school (much much fewer than undergraduate). Military is the biggest/most well known but there are some loan forgiveness programs (not scholarships) for physicians that agree to work in rural areas or underserved populations. Other than that, some need-based scholarships may be available based on your school
Very unlikely to happen with US military as one requirement is US citizen and even then military doesn't really take IMGs who aren't residency trained.
@@kevinfranzen9733 US citizen or permanent resident.
I feel you bro, let me tell you I going to be really really really hard. I wish you luck
@@missrue1707 things could have changed in my day it was only US Citizens.
Do military physicians get a chance to get deployed with their families (if their wives are civilians)?
Not a military physician yet, but am prior service. If you are talking about being stationed places like Europe and some parts of Korea yes. Places like Iraq, Syria, and Jordan absolutely not.
Assignments in Japan, Europe, Korea are considered “accompanied” assignments and are typically longer tours than deployments for the Air Force. There are similar bases for Army and Navy where you can go overseas with your family, but they aren’t considered deployments.
This is not about military medicine. But I'm a 2nd year college student. Do y'all think I can get my cumulative gpa up in 2.5 years?
My gpa is a 3.0
Yes. You can do anything you remain consistent and persistent at.
I wannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnt
17 now. I’ll get back to this comment when I’m a doctor in the Navy.
I am exactly where you are and planning on doing the same. See you there.
@@lets-turn-and-burn Good luck my friend, hope we both make it. Are you studying in the UK?
Update on this?
@@CornFed_3 managed to get into med school, im in my first year but i am applying for a navy scholarship next year to cover student debt
@@dionysus1145, congratulations! Keep it up!
I was a Corpsman for 6 years. Here is my advice:
Don't do it
The end
Sounds like a green side corpsman or Fort Sam was just the start of your suffering. - Air Force medic.
*US military medicine
I see him discribing officer, not enlisted corpsman
Corpsman is not a nurse or physician.
Did you miss the part where he is talking about military physicians?
Be prepared for crusty CSMs, 1SGs, and even BN CMDRs riding you to clear their MRC3 and 4 lists. Oh, and having another person literally watch your pee come out every month at 5 am was always fun too.
this has inaccurate information. army national guard and reserves are part time military and there are doctors,pa's, dentists, and nurses who serve. i watched only 1 minute so far so there's probably other wrong things within this video. please do more research... and to those interested in being in the military and being a doctor, you can do both without going through the military medical school.
How to get in without military medical school?
This comments full of toxicity.
@@nhatology, it’s all accurate though. There’s a lot of incorrect information in this video.
Source: spent 8 years in the Army.
I actually want to pursue Military Medicine but my financial capability says no.
The military literally pays you to go to med school wdym
@@gaythugsmatter7029 really? is it applicable to all countries?
@@zenk616 no you need to be US citizen
@@gaythugsmatter7029 too bad I'm not American.
thanks for reply btw
The quality of life as a civilian doctor looks a lot better than military medicine. The military is a great stepping stone to start on your education and let VRE and Post 9/11 pay for the rest. The civilian sector gets the better doctors imho. Do what fits your situation financially . If you are single and already a vet …just go the civilian route.
Varies branch to branch.
who is here to know about afmc pune
jejeune
so basically "embrace the suck"
Please make more nursing videos
Hard to believe a military physician was involved with this. Some of this stuff is either flat out wrong or almost right. It’s also very Army med centric. Sounds like it was made by someone who doesn’t know anything about the military getting advice from someone very bitter about their service.
Military medicine is trash. Biggest mistake I ever made. So glad I got out. Do not, I repeat DO NOT take the HPSP scholarship. You will regret it.
Like how bad is it really though. Because there’s one school that if I get accepted to it, I’m considering doing the HPSP because with interest it will cost around $754K
@@yeeticusmac6240 it is SO bad. Do not waste your time. I totally get the financial component but you will read all over the internet that the money is not worth it. Your job is to become a good, well trained physician. The military cannot and will not provide you with the tools to do that. They only care about the “mission” which isn’t making you a good doctor. Do what you want, I’m thankful I’m out and now in a civilian residency where I’m getting sound training, and actually seeing sick patients without the backdrop of military BS like uniforms, drug tests, and the alike that are a hinderance to patient care.
@@bryce5301 thanks. That gives me a lot to think about. I appreciate the well thought out reply!
@@bryce5301 so your issue is uniforms and drug tests? 😂💀
@@ARTDEVGRU247, you clearly never served a day in your life.
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Military medicine has been headed steadily downhill since the 1990s with no improvement expected. Anyone who would today consider the military for a medical career is a fool; - poor pay, poor benefits, often poor equipment, poor nursing care, inept "leadership" and no retirement account unless you stick around for twenty years. Run the other direction.
cant let gang know i dont fw this
How would I go about trying to put in a formal report against a medical student in Texas that was accepted into the AF HPSP program? He forced me into an unwanted and unsafe abortion and left me in a pool of blood. He is scared of blood, by the way. Terrible follow-up skills, bled for months and he was just crossing his fingers I would "get over it" and stop seeking justice.
They hired a murderer. A cold murder. He only cared that they were paying his medical school tuition. He declined all opportunities given to him to work with vets in the past...he is an evil person...these issues tend to resurface when not taken care of.
He has no desire to "fix" this and never has. He is a coward that just expects his problems to just bleeeeed out...out of his sight. He is neither a man of honor nor integrity. He poisoned me for his professional gain. People will salute him. A murderer.
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The bigotry, racism and sexism in the military is real. If you’re okay with holding those standards and not fighting against them, it makes military life easier. I got out as soon as I could with an honorable discharge. It wasn’t easy.
Most military docs suck. I understand why they are less trained and over worked.
Their hands are tied and their skillset are misused by the military brass. Like any other MOS, they are just there to tow the line rather than utilize their unique capabilities in the best possible way.