The Rocket Powered BANE Of Super-Props | BI
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- The BI is nasty. Win every fight. EZ mode. Epic win time.
Enjoy
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0:00 Intro
0:17 Overview
1:39 Performance
3:38 Gameplay
9:00 Summarized - Ігри
I remember this thing just being a silly little novelty when ShVAKs were arguably the shittiest cannons in the game, insane how monstrous it is now
nah even then, you could still easily get 1-2+ kills with the ammo load, remember to consider that with the raw performance it has in every metric, you could just sit close on someones six and be patient, youre in no rush because no one can out run you or out turn you so you just stick on them forever until you get the perfect shot
the ability to just look at anyone and completely cancel their existence no matter what they do was never not broken af
Before it got moved up to 6.7 it was even better
It was op and always has been. Novelty my ass. I said BI would be op and people mocked me for it. LOOK NOW WHORES? WHOS LAUGHING?
@@TheGreedyKing wait, this thing was even LOWER?!
@@J4ckmaestro along time ago it was lower those were the days! I don’t play much except sim currently
Another example of aircraft that are deathtraps in real life being a wonderweapon in WT.
ik someone need to make this game again
F-104
The test pilot who flew this plane also died in a steep dive at around 800 km/h or so, because of the bad compression of the plane.
Ouch
Bought this thing about a week ago, and it is by FAR the most overpowered plane in the game. So much so that I think it will be the first plane I'll be able to get to a 100:1 k/d in. It never should have been added imo since it would be fairly useless at somewhere like 7.7 where it belongs, but is absolutely untouchable anywhere below that br.
If you can avoid compressing into the dirt, easily achievable. I don’t have the patience tho lmao. I get into the “send it” mindset too much.
@@_Joob Me in any vehicle known to man on WarThunder lmao.
@@bingesleeper7194 Ain't that the truth!
You.... paid 400 dollars for a virtual plane in an online game?
I did not meet this one often so far, like 5 times in total. After my first encounter with it I did everything you could possibly imagine to lay a finger on it in the other Games. Closest I got to one of these was 1.3km - would have needed a luckshot, and the timeframe to score that shot was like 2 seconds. Max. Absolutely untouchable in capable hands. Most OP thing I ever encountered.
Only event vehicle I have ever been happy to keep. Such a meme plane in IL2 1946
my man
Yo that's the real Smigol holy
I mostly remember this one for its tendency to violently pitch down in IL2. Does it do that in Warthunder?
@@KR4FTW3RK here it just locks your controls almost completely. Funny cuz the pitching down thing was real, it's what killed the first test pilot who flew the BI
@@KR4FTW3RK no it just compresses in WT
Since it's a liquid fuel engine like the Me 163 it can control the burn rate and also shut off the fuel flow. To restart it, it would just need an ignition or self igniting fuel, neither things are very complicated.
I mean the issue really is control at low throttle. While you can throttle engines, and it is a signature characteristics of some to be able to deep throttle to great degrees, there is a low limit where throttling bellow a certain point can cause a flame out or even flow separation which can destroy the engine. CURRENT engines designed specifically for having a wide range of throttling can go around 25% before serious issues are encountered, and you often trade a lot for that capability. I think the record is around 15%.
So the kind of shit that the BI can pull is likely not accurate. The goal of these planes was direct bomber intercept, where they would essentially fly straight up to the bombers, glide down and do a few passes, and then come back to land. Its likely only the ascent was powered.
Edit: I did a dumb and forgot it was running on hypergolics, no igniter fluid needed
fellow Kerbal space program player detected:
@@typhoon109 *Fellow realism overhaul player
@@mobiuscoreindustries Im wrong, its not a hypergolic mixture, but a Nitric acid/Kerosene mixture.
Throttling was actually very complicated for early rocket engines. Throttling is hard because your nozzle, pumps, and fuel injection system can only really be optimized for one throttle setting. Usually you just end up throwing away a lot of fuel for not a lot of thrust if you throttle an engine down. The me163 for instance didn’t have a throttle-able engine, it just had two chambers, a big one and a small one. They’d shut the big one off when cruising.
That’s not to say anything about the BI prototypes, I actually have no idea if they could throttle, but I am almost certain it couldn’t throttle to 25% and am absolutely certain the throttling didn’t improve the fuel economy by 15x.
Even with modern engines throttling is done more as a measure to prevent harsh acceleration as the rocket runs out of fuel (or to provide fine control when landing a rocket or something like that) and not really to be more efficient.
I remember this plane just taking a sudden uncontrollable nosedive in sturmovik 1946.
There is also the upgraded BI-6 which has rocket boosters on the tips of the wings. I wonder when that would come
1:23
I found three sources all claiming, that the thrust of the BI would have been regulated by manually adjusting two valves located in the cockpit.
Meanwhile one valve would be used to regulate the amount of fuel released for combustion, while the other one would regulate the amount of oxidizer. The BI rocket plane used an oxidizer called AK-27I (also known as TG-02), which was a mixture of 27% nitric acid and 73% nitrogen tetroxide (N2O4). This oxidizer was highly corrosive and toxic, and required careful handling and storage procedures similarly to the one found on the me 163 komet. The "Treibstoff" (aka T-Stoff), literally translating to fuel or propellant (Treibmittel), contained a mixture of two chemicals as its oxidizer: 80% high-test peroxide (HTP) and 20% water. This mixture was used to drive the engine's turbopump, which supplied a mixture of hydrazine hydrate and methanol as the fuel to the rocket engine.
Meanwhile the BI's rocket engine used kerosene as the fuel. The BI’s engine was capable of producing up to 4,000 kgf (39 kN) of thrust.
Here are the sources I am relying to:
1. "The Soviet Rocket Fighter" by Yefim Gordon and Dmitriy Komissarov, published in the magazine Air International, Volume 82, No. 5, May 2012.
2. "Rocket Fighters" by Bill Gunston, published in the book "The Encyclopedia of Modern Warplanes" by Aerospace Publishing, 1995.
3. "BI-1" by George William Gray, published in the book "Soviet X-Planes" by Yefim Gordon, 2000.
ISBN-13: 978-1857800999
I hope this helped some of you interested in the BI to get more information about it.
Have a great day! o(^▽^)o
Holy crap that thing is like challenging cripples to a dunking contest
and that timmy is why I don't do jets
Congratz on 10k dude! totally deserved
Thx :D
I remember when I grinded the event for this and couldn't decide between the American Merkava, or the Bi. Looking back, I'm very happy I went for the Bi. It's always my destress plane I take out when I want to goof around. The repair cost is sky high though, so I can't go *too* crazy :P
Little rat is fantastic. So glad I was able to pick it up in the event. Now more than ever with anm3 cannons being reduced to absolute nerfguns.
IRL. Its really hard to throttle rocket engines. Or start it in the air. I dont know a lot about this plane but irl i would say it has maybe a 10-20% throttle range from 100%
Edit: I did some googleing and found that it uses a nichrome wire ignition system. AKA one time use.
Again. I might be wrong, but this is just what i found.
Considering it was supposed to take off, get to bomber altitude in 30 seconds, get a kill or two and then glide back down, I'm not surprised. But it _is_ definitely better for gameplay to be able to throttle the thing.
In my first and only game against this (flying the De Havilland hornet) I saw that it was on my tail, dived, did a 180° turn and sharply pulled up. The chasing BI ripped it's wings and slammed into the ground. Lol.
once i was in my f84, skirting the battle looking for a high altitude fight or to save a team mate. out from the clouds bursts one of these little B-holes. it was right after a sharp turn to cut off a guy attacking my ally, so my speed was lowered... the b1 didnt shoot for a solid minute. he just stuck on my tail showing the planes ability, and the moment i started to get a speed advantage from my dive, he blew me away.
ever since then, i imagine what it must feel like to fly this plane in warthunder... dear god. i currently live in brazil, so 400 usd is about 2 thousand brazilian reals. the minimum wage here for a full timer is about 1300... literally more than one minimum salary payment for this plane.
I chose the merkava for 49 gjc instead of this thinking about usefulness,i hope a missile lands on gaijin HQ
"I bought an abuse/exploit vehicle and guess what it's abusive/exploiting" Wow, that was really surprising. Who could have guessed that outcome...
I wish the damage model reflected how volatile rocket fuel is. Like 1 30 cal to anything fuel related should mean instant death.
I remember being literally $15 worth of components off to getting this
but I had a power outage for the last three days
and was absolutely livid because this thing would be so fun
yay jetnoob upload
I love this plane btw
1:22 on/off would be a solid fuel rocket, and even then you can’t stop the burning or turn off the rocket.
With liquid fuel, throttle is controlled by how much fuel you mix in the ignition chamber at once. Half the fuel and oxidizer going in, half the throttle, although war thunder seems to go off of thrust percentage instead of throttle for the throttle.
I love owning this thing
Its so superior best thing im on console so I'll never have a thought of selling it either
@@caratomlinson3552 you can't sell vehicles once you redeem the coupon anyways...
This thing looks ridiculously fun to mess around with
Yes, you can change the throttle percentage of most rockets, though it was dependent on the plane and its systems. Most planes that could do it needed a large and complicated throttle gate, something that the Me-163 could not have due to its size, but something the BI-1 was designed for
I got this thing not long before I gave up on WT (I was only there for the (ww2) air rb) as being almost unsalvagable for me - still got the ticket (or whatever) for it as it looked like a novelty/fun/troll plane but I didn't play tanks. I'd mostly only been playing troll planes (p59, d2y2, p61 etc...)for the last year anyway - and suddenly finding myself on allied side as Japanese broke the last little bit of immersion - but if I came back I'd have to try this :D
idk why but your voice is very soothing
Xd thank you
awesome vid
The BI-6 would naturally nosedive at 700 kph in Il-2 1946 so the WT compression is both a bit of a step up but somewhat realistic too
I love this plane!
I'm glad i unlocked it with the event ;)
Hey. Do you plan doing a vid on the Milan ? A better mirage IIIC but with worse missiles at 9.7, but in the current 9.0-10.0 meta
I'm still passed about this event. I grinded 3 of the whatever you needed to get the BI or the Merkava and chose the Lubeck because I wanted to get the halftrack that was in the event at the time. Anyways I got the Lubeck and couldn't get the halftrack, had I known I couldn't get them both I would have gotten the BI... *anger*
My understanding of rocket engines is that solid rockets are, they get turned on and burn full throttle untill fuel depletion, liquid rockets can be turned on and off and can throttle by limiting the fuel input.
Im going to make a meme video of me just javelin myself into B29s as I laugh at their repair bills
the god damn BI can be at 8.0 and still do fine
It doesn’t have enough fuel. Super props easily handle the BI. If you dont let it abuse you at alt. It compresses almost instantly after trading a few thousand feet
@@SteelxWolf nope, you are wrong. Props cant do anything vs Bi, even diving won't help you if you don't abuse AAA
@@_lliu3oqppehu9l_83 as someone who has it I can tell you the first thing to beat me is to not stall fight me at altitude. Not hard to dive away. F2G is for example one of the aircraft it sees alot. Just out dive the bi.
As someone that as it too, you are beyond lost.
It doesn't help that you have like 13 air kills in it and we both know most of those are in ground RB
The fuel can last you 15 minutes without issues, some games even 20
props are still slower than the speed your compress at
Sure jets can just straight line but you force a stalemate at best
props just die to this thing.
@@SteelxWolf out diving is only a short term solution for escaping, youre putting yourself at a worse position, and does absolutely nothing to help you actually beat the BI
This was the Il2 energy trap king =)
This plane in one sentence.
No ammo.
Shit sparks like a steel grinder
If its solid rocket fuel once its on its on. There is no turning it off.
Tim’s verity did a thing on this plane where he covers the background of this plane for anyone interested
I’d assume it’s a liquid fuel motor, which can be ignited, throttled and stopped at the pilots leisure, rockets like the mighty mouse use solid fuel (Much simpler to make, as soon as it’s ignited it’ll burn until expended)
ok so using by basic knowledge of rocket engines:
It wasnt until the 1960s that we got really "low throttle" rocket engines (rocket engines that can go below around half throttle before combustion stalls). Modern engines like SpaceXs Merlin can go to around 25%, but back in the day the lowest stuff like the V2 could go was... on. Even the R7 to my knowledge had very little throttle control.
I wish I bought it back in the day.
"So are you straight or gay?"
"It's complicated"
I wish these were rated historically for some game modes with 100 or nothing throttle. these rocket planes were made to intercept planes above runways / go for bombers
I have literally never seen this plane outside of youtube videos
This thing can be insane if u can control ur speed, throttle, and ammo...
a guy has this in my game rn and i had to look it up to know what it is
I don't know specifically about this rocket engine, but, looking at the type of engine, I doubt it would be able to throttle, rocket engines are usually on or off, being able to throttle is quite rare. an example of throttling is the SpaceX merlin engine, and even that I think can't go under 75%-80%, more or less.
W intro
Weren't there only like 9 of these craft built in real life?
I still have this as a coupon
Not sure if I should keep it or sell it
Some Russian guy that plays Warthunder: Yo i broke into kremlin Palace and i can confirm you can't turn down or up the BI thrusters.
I severely doubt the throttle is accurate as well. The ME-163 IRL had a 4 position throttle unlike the in game version which is granular between 0% and 100%. Not sure if there is any data on what the ME-163's throttle postilions were or what the performance vs fuel burn at those positions was. I get the feeling that even if there was data on these things for the various rocket planes it wouldn't be implemented since they'd probably be pretty useless in game.
Hey you should watch everyday astronauts video on the soviet rocket tree, pretty sure this engine couldn't deep throttle tho.
If its on my team, I kill it, if its on the enemy team, I eat the dirt before it can kill me. OP Prems don't deserve anything. Su-11 gets the same treatment.
This thing is a bane of everything around its BR, it can cancel anyone trying to climb in the initial minutes of the game.
Also it has by far the best sustained turn time and even instantenous turns is extremely good. The fuel usage is absolutely broken. And finally even if it runs out of fuel, you can't strafe it on the AF due to insta-death AAA.
How I would play this coz its speed or well maintained while maneuvering is to get about 400 ft about a target, dive, and quickly dogfight them at 0 throttle. The good maneuverability should allow you to finish a fight quickly
The 🅱️
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I'm the d days of war thunder rocket planes were on/off rather than variable throttle
I got this during its event, haven’t played it lately but after watching this I’ll take her for a spin. What ammo type do you recommend? I used to run tracers
Air or ground
I got one from the event but I rarely use it because the compression and low ammo make it such a pain to fly imo
"pain to fly" XD literally the most op vehicle in the game
@@caralho5237 no
neato potato
I think this plane has liquid fuel, so the "throttle" is more like a fuel release adjusting. I know some planes that had this type installed so they could adjust the thrust by adjusting the fuel "leak" into the rocket engine. I hope it is understandable😅 I'm not an engine expert
So that's why the permanent "fuel starvation" thing?
below a certain point the engine would just cut off, also im not sure they would put in adjustable nozles,pumps and multible use ignitors for something that was only meant to take off,get to bomber altitude, kill the bomber, and glide down with no fuel
Man I grinded for this thing. Should of sold it if I knew how much it would of gone for.
I got this but I got the Merkava instead and don't regret it (untill top tier Russia got buffed beyond the point of god status)
why is tt russia good? i play 9.3 and get obliterated by german apc and CAS all the time
@@waggish4999 yeah 11.0/11.3 is ruled by the never ending T-73/80 spam, KA-50/52's will ensure no one leaves their spawn, the Tunguska will eat anything with that flies, and if you survive all that the MiG-27K will fix that in a heart beat.
Also US teams are more brain dead than German ones at 5.7.
At I know how dumb those shit can get.
OK who the fuck one death leave's an M1A2, you have 3-4 more Abrams left, bring them, I bring 5 of the bloody thing the Merk and several SPAA's
glad i went for the bi and not the merkava during the event
I encountered one of these things in a match when I was flying one of my Japanese fighters and it seemed to turn horizontally at high speed even better than any of my Japanese planes and I couldn't out turn him at all even with flaps
magic soviet balance, I just teamkill these things so the enemy team can actually enjoy the game.
@@XSpamDragonX and you’re a tool
What can I say? ✨RUSSIAN BIAS✨
I can't wait for them to release this again like the p38k and its spammed to death it will be so fun.
except they won't release this again...
@@-theislander-5888 they might
@@jaybabe7767 sure bud, are you new to the game?
@@-theislander-5888 bro they release rare shit every year on July 4th or during the anniversary and this coming one is 10 years and with this and the p59 being the two biggest requested planes they could absoutly release it in a pack
@@jaybabe7767 no they don’t, you are clearly new to the game or just don’t want to get it.
the have NEVER and will NEVER re-release event vehicles, period.
im so sad because i got this from my 3rd toolbox and then my account got frozen the night after. I never truly understood the power and value of the plane :(
@jetnoob to power down a rocket is just lower the fuel going to the rocket itself
This plane reminds me of the mig-23 bn high speed at a “low” br
I would definitely buy this but i have a console account on pc
what knives you got in CS hehe
Imagine having a fuel leak in this thing
How did you get to play this plane without paying?
shame we will never see the me 163 komet at this br
i'd like to see more rocket planes added... mainly the Me-263... yes gaijin doesn't know how to balance them but i'd fly it against the F-14 anyway :D
It's not really throttling back more like adding less fuel and air mixture to the the rocket.
can confirm, i still hate fighting this thing in the F4U-4B lol
Hi. Can you play la 200?
I think it's like the Ariete; more or less the same gameplay; same compression; turns like crazy; and absolutey unfair in downtier
ayo
Play the KI200 next
Lots of liquid fueled rocket engines are throttlable~
My favorite thing to do in the bi is to be ~500km/h and >2km below the climbing enemies then 100% throttle vertical climb directly below them. No one expects the plane to make it that far and they get caught off guard in a low speed state making them easy to kill. - bought this thing at $300
Lmao what loser buys virtual items in a free game for more than 20 bucks
This thing should have the same br as the me 163
Ahaha i got this for free by grinding
I remember clapping props when this was 6.3, at 6.7 its still amazing, i can get 6 kills in air rb
(Withlandingcuzonly45roundsforeachgun)
But my aim in this plane is cracked, the air target belt is your best option
i was trying to buy this for 80 almost a year ago and the price had changed right when i went to buy it
Once I was in a match with this guy in a BI, his name was BIsexual or something. absolute legend
Ive teamkilled him in his op bs plane so many times, dude just starts freaking out when he sees me on his team, absolutely deserves it
yooo i saw that guy to lmao
@@XSpamDragonX imagine teamkilling him over stuff in a video game
@@doozywoozy7705 The BI is literally busted, nobody wants to play against it, and I doubt most people even want one on their team. I'm simply prioritising the experience of everyone else in the match over somebody who knows exactly what they are doing by abusing that vehicle.
@@XSpamDragonX i don't think any one cares about what plane is on their team why would they ? if they did they half the lobby would be teamkilling ever single person in a half busted premium plane that know how to ''abuse'' it, like some of the good pilots that play the xp50 which is one of the most op planes in prop, are you tk'ing them ?, shit on the topic of stupidly busted in the sense of game balancing top tier jets like the f14 that have turned the game into a click and shot game that fire their air to air from their spawn all the way to the enemy's should we start teamkilling them too ?, to me it just sounds like you're ruining someone else's fun in war thunder which is a game that can very easily be unfun alot of the time just because you don't like a specific plane
anyone seen BI_SEXUAL? flying this thing around
I have lol
@@_Joob I heard s/he gets a lot of fan mail 😂
I somehow managed to kill someone in thing thing yesterday, still no idea how i did it
@@bigz1641 probably, the only times i ever do are when i fly the busted planes lol (su-11, BI, etc)
Ive teamkilled them almost a dozen times, they just start freaking out when they see me on their team now. Makes me so happy.
What does compression mean?
Basically at higher speeds, alot of planes have issues where controls sort of lock up. basically the pilot can't put more force into the control surfaces than the air moving over the control surfaces is.
@@_Joob Thank you so much, I've heard people saying it for years 😂
In IRL that type of "engine" is very much either full balls to the walls or completely off.
Now if they would only fix the Me-163 climb, so that it can climb at 70° LIKE IT FUCKING SHOULD.
Day 15 of asking to play the yak4 at 2.0
Start by a dive directly at q base that has another base clise to it ( 2 bases beside each other) 4 bombs for each
Go straight to your base killing some ai on the way with your 7.62
Some planes will come on your back going in a straigh line with minimal evading is recommended and try to hit their engines with ur turret since they have weak engines a damaged one will lead them to crash i return to the airfield with 2 bases with 4 to 5 ai kills and 1 or 2 planes after taking off i go for bases if left but if not i will focus on ground targets cuz aa is the bain of this plane so bombing airfields is not recommended
Bonus:do not forget to have smoke always on to piss the enemies 🤣
guaranteed win having this thing in squadron battles if someone has it lmao
I have this the i love it but yeah its just as broken as the p51h or su11 no scratch that even more broken my kd in the p51 h is 2/58 this thing 1/85 it needs a nerf
man you should sell those 2 knives to get this thing instead lol
I remember getting the fucking LUBEC instead…
its a liquid fuel rocket engine so it shouldnt be on/off