2024 Surface Pro OLED Review (Snapdragon X)
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
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This isn't the first Arm based Surface Pro, but it's the first one that's actually good. The Surface Pro Copilot+ PC: Between the speed of the processor and the translation layer Microsoft is using to run old x86 programs this computer works really well for many things. But not everything.
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Screw Adobe anyway.
Same
Hard to understand why MS pen is not absolutely first rate drawing instrument by this iteration. 11 years of Surface Pro, that's way more than enough time to perfect this technology.
Maybe they might improve the tech now
@@Dave102693 They don't update the pen with every iteration. The last time was pen tech itself was updated was when the Slim Pen 2 was released with the Pro 8. So if you are coming from a Pro 8, 9, or 10, this Pro 11's pen will behave exactly the same.
Adobe: You can install what we allow you to
Paying users: dang! we can't use your apps on the new surface
Pirates: pathetic!
lmao
Dont pirate adobe. Its not worth it. Use affinity!
Shocking that those who pirate their software are getting a superior service to us who paid!
@@CammieRacing Piracy was always a service problem not a money problem lol
@@candylord2739what service do you need to use Adobe softwares 😵💫.
Time for Samsung to come out with an iPad Pro competitor with a tablet form factor that has S-Pen and runs WINDOWS!
I'd rather they don't waste any breath if they don't include some AMD processor. It's WILD that after all these year not even 1 company ever made an AMD tablet that can do some heavy 3D workloads (which requires the GPU).
I would love a samsumg ultra windows PC size
@@alyxredmond8753what about minisforum v3 tablet?
I think they have a flippy laptop that had spent support already?
@@alyxredmond8753Minisforum Tablet V3 has Ryzen 8840U.
Canva/Affinity decision to run on ARM chips natively is a very good move.
Blender for arm is in beta as we speak
Nice! and not surprising at all, that team is really on top of things.
I've been googling and youtubing fir this for about 2 weeks
No wonder why it so smooth on a arm windows tablet 🤯
Blender has been on ARM for a while via Apple Silicon and Metal
@@schizofennec arm64 for windows is what I meant
Or, hear me out, you could cancel Creative Cloud and help push the movement against Adobe and their predatory practices.
an arm wrestle!
That would have made a great title :D
Nice!
Good one!!
ARM race joke also works :P
Thanks for the review. Does it heat up? How’s the heat management compared to an iPad?
Cool, i was waiting for your vid on this device. Thank you!
Your review is the one I've been waiting for!! Ty
Thanks for this great review of something I'm on the fence about buying. As an unapologetic doodler (not an "artist"), your UX focused review was useful to me. Also, many thanks for not adding distracting background music! Your voice and excellent script writing is more than enough (also thanks for not yelling at your audience :-)
How does the OLED hold up? I'm looking to get that version, but the folks over on the surfave subreddit are saying the OLED is falling short when it comes to text. Also the touch digital layer on the screen is noticeable when you get up close since the LED and the touch stuff are not lined up. Thoughts?
For Adobe apps, don't you try to download the offline version of it? (not via CC apps)
I once requested directly through customer service
did you try video editing with davinci resolve?
How is the oled screen ? Not too grainy?
FINALLY!!!BEEN WAITING LIKE ALMOST A WEEK NOW
Great video. I see you are using a screen protector. Is that for reflexes? Can you tell me what protector is? Thanks.
When using photoshop do you use wintab or windows ink? Do you see any performance difference between the two settings?
Hey, I'm new to the channel and I have a weird question. Why don't you color back to front?
I love your reviews! It’s amazing how little reviewers there are for art focused consumers you really do a great job :) one question if I may, Do you think you could run Blender on this for 2D animation pretty reliably? Looking for something to run Blender without fear of breaking the screen (galaxy book4) with an at least okay drawing experience. Thank you!
Yes and no. It really depends on what you want to do in blender. Building models or environments or animating in 3D: Yes. Rendering is really slow, so if you want to see how your animation runs with the cycles engine on it's going to be really rough. Also exporting your animation here is going to take forever.
@@thebradcolbow Thank you for the quick reply! I’ll take that into consideration, it’s been rough trying to find a 2 in 1 laptop, I would just get an iPad and run Fresco but I’ve heard it’s not really made for longer form animations. 🫠
Do you know if it can run AutoCAD? Really need a tablet for sketching and architectural work, and a mobile CAD editor/viewer if I'm away from my PC. Thanks! Great review!
Can't find the link, but someone ran pirated Adobe apps (coz what else can you do?) on this chip and they said they run fine. So that's good.
It's great to see you test as a tablet! Im looking foreard to picking up one. I wonder ifnthe 32 GB is worth the money... What do you think?
Does the OLED display have any graininess? That's what people are criticizing.
There is 32gb ram option?
What happen to the SQ1 processor on the previous surface X? did it got the new translation layer of this windows 11 update?
It might, but it’s still going to be slow. Half the magic is the pure performance of the X chips which the SQ1 and similar chips and generations just severely lack.
Yes, I use the one with sg2 and it has the same new prism translation layer
@@MsAlanos thank you, what about the performance has it increased?
@codebraker12 slight Increase, nothing ground breaking, but I use only two lightweight apps in emulation. Everything else is already arm compatible so I don't know how it would behave in heavier workloads
HI!
I've been putting off buying a Surface or iPad type device for years because no one fully satisfies what I would like to do.
Essentially digital painting, a little Blender at an amateur level and complete PC programs for photo editing (even Nikon ones).
Have you made any videos where you discuss the combined use of Mac Mini and iPad Pro? Because this would be one of the solutions within Apple.
For the surface however... do you think it needs a protective film?
And what would be the best pens with the Microsoft protocol to use?
Thank you very much and congratulations for the videos you produce!!
For Apple, you can go with Mac Mini plus a digital tablet (the ones that are 22+ size) so you actually use the raw power of ... let say m1 (or better) with a display where you can draw on.
For Windows (what I have): is just a 10 dollar cheap tablet that is to be represented on a full monitor (24') and well the cpu.
I don't waste money on the last cintiq big monitor for drawing because I prefer a monitor (normal for pc) with good colors and a cheap tablet (with out screen) for saving money.
Hi Brad love ya vids bro!! If possible I would love to see your comparison and thoughts between Wacoms Movink and the Ipad pro
Nice video. I have the Surface Pro 8 and am comparing to my iPad Pro 2018 to find out which I want to upgrade. Right now the Surface Pro is leading. I use the Adeway Matte Screen Protector. Like it a lot though wish there was an Astropad Rock Paper Pencil available that I use on my iPad Pro (the the metal tip and the ability to remove the screen since the Adeway sticks on). I would sure expect this fall we will get the Lunar Lake version of Surface Pro 11 and I expect it will be a little faster CPU and GPU. Maybe I will go with Surface Laptop Studio though not sure what Matte Screen Protectors are available. I hate drawing on glass.
I had the 9 and could not stand the battery life. Very happy trading it in and getting the 1400 version. Screen is a huge upgrade
Are there any pen alternatives that can be used with the Surface Pro?
I thin N-trig or something is the tech they use? All of those shouuuuuld work.
Great review as always! More importantly - WHERE did you get that awesome sci-fi spaceships T-shirt? I must have it!
Hey Brad, would you be trying out the ProArt PZ13. Seems like a very decent and very cost effective rival to the surface pro. Also if you could do a video on windows convertibles such as the spectre x360 14. It has constantly been regarded as one of the best all around laptops. Would love to see your artsy take on it!
Thanks for covering the graphics tablet driver piece. Apple had the same problem too, but I don't know how long it took to be fixed. Hopefully Wacom and the other tablet manufacturers add Arm support for their Windows drivers soon.
Major difference is that Apple had developer transition kits out like six months before the first Apple Silicon Macs were released so vendors had time to port their software. Qualcomm and Microsoft really dropped the ball on dev kits and we're only just now getting dev kits about a month after the first Snapdragon X Windows machines are already out.
I've been waiting for this review since launch. As an Adobe pirate, I rely on using Windows, so this tablet seems like a fantastic choice - aside from the average pen. I wonder whether firmware updates could offer pen improvements?
As there's no Android version of Fresco, this is pretty much the only option for me and I'm glad that you found it to be a positive experience.
My only remaining question would be, is the more expensive X Elite worth it? I'm not fussed about OLED, but I wonder whether there's a tangible drawing performance difference between the Plus and Elite models?
Will you review the Huawei matepad 11.5"s and the new Gopaint drawing app pls ? I really need an artist review before buying it !
Also which operating system is better for artists who are taking drawing as a hobby and don't wanna spend a lot of money , android or windows ?
Would be nice to see a comparison between this and the minisforum tablet
Did you use the 16gb ram or the 32gb ram version? I prefer affinity photo over photoshop ( because similar UI and no abo ) and i wanna edit some videos as well
Already buying one unit ❤
Hi Brad what's your Daily Driver? I'm thinking of the getting the Huion 19.
He prefers to use an iPad for drawing, you can check his website for a comparison of the different pen displays he's used.
I'm an iPad guy, but the Huion 19 is really nice.
I'd be curious to see how it performs with programming, it'll probably handle cross platform stuff but how will it handle windows specific C# libs and such
Hello @thebradcolbow would you like to make the review of one of the newest bosto pen displays? One is 16 and the second is about 18.5 inches, they're both 4K
Questions: does it have a fan? I want a Windows based alternative to MacBook Air that can be used for light video editing and family usage (heavy browsing, etc)
Yes it does. But it only becomes noticeable with heavy use and isn’t very loud
The arm battle begins
Thx for a review!
Doesn’t adobe work on the M processor MacBook devices? Those are ARM processors as well aren’t they? I don’t understand why they don’t work for the Snapdragon Elite chips
They’re not ported and optimized yet
Great video! recently my beloved ipad pro got stolen and I used procreate a lot. also I don't have a good windows device (only my old laggy surface pro 4 lol). I can't decide between buying a surface laptop and a new ipad (maybe air this time) or just a new surface pro. I feel like after drawing on ipad I can't stand the surface pen. would appreciate any advice though
Brad does this supports blender ? What's the performance, I searched alot but it's a very new product I didn't found anything regarding that.
It does, it’s pretty good for blenders basically stuff, but rendering can take more time because it’s an integrated GPU and currently it can only do CPU rendering. But they’re making a native arm port for it 👌🏾
Do you think the Surface Pro is a better option than the iPad Pro for illustration?
I prefer the iPad. It really depends on all the things you need to do. The ipad is a great companion device where this can be your everyday computer but it's not as fun to draw on.
@@thebradcolbow+ too heavy for tablet use
@Isengardtom an iPad is not that heavy but yeah, without kickstand, a chore to always have to carry, I agree.
they’re probably talking about the Surface Pro
@@mannyw_ what do you mean ? Surface has a kickstand. You do not "carry" it when using it.
The only time you CARRY the tablet, therefore with the keyboard, actually, the iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is 25%...HEAVIER.
So I do not see how you could refer to the Surface Pro in this context.
Can you review the LG Gram 16 Pro 2 in 1? can't find info if it's using mpp
Gram 14 uses Wacom AES 2.0. new gram 16 is probably uses it too.
Couldn’t you download the adobe apps on another computer and copy them over for testing?
The reason they disallowed the apps from the cloud was that they performed horribly, and Adobe does not want users seeing how bad they are at the moment.
Let's get a milion for the Bradman
Damn it's been ages, I rememer watching surface pro 4 review of yours as my first video here. I feel ancient.
i love your take and review i wished you would have kept chiming in more about why the new surface line does not have premier pro on it. and why is the surface pro like the show stopper
Is the asus zenbook duo 2024 version good
I wanted to buy this, however price for the device (oled only comes with the x version) as well as price for keyboard is just absurd.
In the experimental versions of Blender there is already an ARM64 version for testing.
The cost of the keyboard and pen made this device a hard no. I was excited for Windows on arm to finally get some real options, the driver issues and app compatibility were not deal breakers as those would get better with time. The lack luster GPU performance of the top end snapdragon processor was also a bit of a disappointment.
This is the new Flex keyboard, which is incredibly expensive.
But it's just a new option. The "old" non-bluetooth keyboard is still fully available & compatible, and it costs way less than this.
Drivers are predicted to hit AMD 780m 3D performance eventually which crushes Intel Xe by a wide margin...
Very inexpensive third-party keyboards and pens are available. Some of the third-party keyboards even support Bluetooth. Some have pen storage as well, unfortunately not charging, just storage.
Very inexpensive comparing to ipad magic keyboard 💀
Apple and Samsung charges even more for their keyboard + pen 😂 plus they also offer other keyboard options without the pen and wireless that's lower priced.
Brad, will you do a review of the Xencelabs Pen Display 16 OLED?
Yes!
@@thebradcolbow Thank you!
Question for you and anyone else who had the oled model: it might be a little picky but do you have an issue with your screen and being able to see like a dot pattern on the screen? Not sure if I’ve had bad luck or that’s just how all of them are but it drives me crazy to have spent that much and have a bad looking oled screen
It’s a design flaw of how the Microsoft implements the touch interface and oled screen. Unfortunately all of them have that.
You can always return it for an lcd model
@@xekeys thank you, good to know all of them have it before trying to swap it out again 😂
Damn, what a bummer about the pen.
Great review as usual though, I was really waiting for it!
A fun test would be to check out what your experience would be today with Windows 11 24H2 on your Surface Pro X. It will certainly not out perform the Snapdragon X processors, but the experience might be better than when you made your original review.
I had never thought of that. Would that version of Windows have the same translation layer that we see here?
@@thebradcolbow It does. I do have a Surface Pro X myself. By default 24H2 is not an available update yet, but it is when you switch to the "Preview Channel". I managed to update my Surface Pro X to version 24h2 this way.
06:12 ... so where is the link?
Shouldn't you be able to download Adobe if you run a virtual machine?
With Arm, the power draw is so low, you can happily get the "plugged in" performance, while unplugged, for more hours of battery life.
Did you test compatability??? You only need "Basic" HID (human input device) drivers to use a tablet.
Basic usb devices work fine
Hi, is it possible to install linux (ubuntu) on this tablet ?
Thank you for answer in advance!
As of now no, you can’t boot into it from the bios. Hopefully they get that sorted out, the Linux subsystem for Linux works though
Can you try Affinity Designer?
you have to try the new huawei matepad 11.5, they say it's a great tablet for drawing
Could you please review the Asus proart studiobook 16. Everyone is talking about the graphic specs but not if its actually good for illustrators as a AIO. I've been dreaming of a laptop with the graphic card I need with drawing capabilities.... Is it too much to ask! If you get one you lose the other😢 why?
I have the new surface and I love it!
Im drawing on a galaxy book 3 360 and tried procreate on the new ipad and i knew It was going to be my next drawing machine, util I heard about the new surface which I've always loved the desing but see it lacking in other ways specially price, but since drawing is a bit worse here than the ipad im still going for the later thanks to your review ;)
Does Inkscape work?
hows about the noise performance? I really don’t want a screaming tablet.😅
I should have mentioned that. In my time using this the fans would run but not at a speed that was audible, you had to hold your ear up to it to hear. Using Blender to render some stuff they would kick on and then there was definitely fan noise. But for every day computing stuff I never heard the fans.
@@thebradcolbow thanks for this valuable information. Then I would go for it.
Would be neat to have a fancy robotic arm that you could motion capture yourself drawing, and have it repeat the movement for every tested tablet.
We want a review of both devices of asus proart series p16 and the other model that comes with stylus and foldable tablet mode
i have switched to fresco and never looked back
Is it fanless?
I want a Muppet review ASAP!!
Im still wating for thr go version of this
Can't wait for it.
A tiny Surface Go & Surface Laptop Go with Arm processor that can last very long sounds like a very portable dream.
A full PC that can take anywhere & holds a charge.
I always feel like I'm in the movie Speed when I use those pens - gotta keep that pen above a certain speed.
haha, I like that analogy.
Would love a comparison between the surface pro and the Asus version coming out.
Yeah, the new Pro Art Surface thing looks good, going to try and get my hands on one.
that cookie monster was so good
Strange to see an actual useful tablet - The new ipad pro is severely lacking when it comes to software.
Me hearing you can install Clip Studio Paint: "Good."
Me hearing you can't install Adobe tools: "GOOD!"
I didn't watch the video yet, but if this isn't answered can someone give me recommendations for drawing apps?
I ditched my iPad Pro for this, because I need a two in one device that's also a drawing tablet. I just don't know what to look for. I was using Procreate previously.
Adobe Fresco is going to be the closest to the Procreate tablet-style interface you're already comfortable with. Generally, almost everything on Windows is geared towards a desktop interface. Hopefully apps like Clip Studio Paint and Affinity Photo & Designer will bring their tablet interface from the iPad to Windows users as an option but so far that has not happened.
For Windows people only use the likes of Ps, Krita (some use CSP). Since is a different platform. My advice is simple, use whatever app you find at hand and get used to it. Real artist can make art with almost anything.
hey. Krita has plugin image generative ai. can this laptop run this?
It should. It has an integrated npu for ai stuff
ew.
Please do review for Huawei GoPaint app next!
Can you make a OneXPlayer X1 review? 🙏🏾
what kind of plants are those are they real
gonna wait on it a little. I use galaxy book 4 360 atm literally just bought it. I'll wait till everything is optimized for this new chip then trade in and get a new 360 edge model whenever that may come out.
Hey! I was close to buy rhe Book 4 360, but people complaining about the display cracking kind made me back up. How it's yours doing?
@@Noizahorikku my display is doing just fine. Is there anymore context as to how the cracking happened? I haven't pushed my comp to its limits. plus I got a nice deal for the best buy warranty for both hardware and software issues.
I'll say this tho, I legit only bought it for the 360 feature for drawing, comes with Samsung's great pen and I have other samsung devices to work hand n hand with it. If you see a more affordable 2 in 1 with the same specs and whatnot, keep the options open. Books like ASUS Zenbook 14 OLED, Lenovo Yoga 9i 2 in 1, and my favourite looking 2 in 1 (design wise) is the surface laptop studio 2 that thing is perfectly designed but too dang expensive lol.
So I would just keep your options on Samsung, Lenovo, and Asus for now and look around more from other recommenders.
@kickbeez642 Thanks a lot for your reply. Some people have been posting pics showing cracks on their displays and speculating that it could be the heat when they closed the laptop and the display being too thin. I found no official news or reference regarding this, but it made me hesitate. I was looking forward to build up my Samsung ecosystem if the drawing experience was good, and it seems to be the case.
@@Noizahorikku no problem. yea, it's always good to be cautious before spending that much money.
What about Affinity Serif
Please review the Picasso tab! Currently it’s one of the most popular android tablets and I wanna know if it’s worth it.
I recommend you the usual Samsung (S6 or better). They might not be the best, but they are reliable on android device. Else go for the competence (Apple) Ipads with IOS.
@@carlosemiralonso7997the s6 is amoled 6 gb of ram snapdragon this is still top tier with android 12!!!!
Will it run all x64 Apps on this Device?
I didn't test any but according to Google it should
@@thebradcolbow Thanks!
We wanna see PUPPET BRAD!!! 😆
Yup, that`s a game changer right there.
Do a review on the asus pro art laptop
Can it run Android instead?
@11:55 for drawing review.
Bro please review huawei matepad 11.5 S papermate
the reflections on all surface devices is insane. definitely consider that before buying. its not the same as a regular glossy display. also quality control is quite poor. Please consider the extended warranty unless its a complete rip off.
Probably get a matte screen protector for this anyway for drawing
Not too excited any more tbh, I was looking towards for this in order to have a light portable drawing tablet, that at home could be hooked up to a bigger drawing tablet and art studio. But it seems is kinda bad both at drawing in the go, and cant connect to drawing tablets either.
I am waiting for a review on Huawei mate pad 13.2 😊
Does it support Clip Studio Paint?
Not natively yet but it runs really well according to the video
Ah right, got skipped at 2:06 Thanks!
It looks smooth enough even just an emulation, I think it will runs great when CSP finally had a nattive support
@@microzal considering it’s already native arm for iPad and android, I would expect them to port it for this as well