I have a question that may seem slightly related to this: Can computers “learn” to make the perfect speedrun? Like... can a computer take past TASes, “learn” from them, and produce an even better TAS?
I'm not 100% sure if this is a joke, but this was done with frame-advance as well which is what made it possible. The enemies move towards you slightly so doing it in real-time with only save states would be rather tedious.
GamerLKP636 with TAS everything that is impossible turns possible, there´s 4 things that you forget about TAS;1:Frame-Advance,2:SlowDowns it allows you to slowdown the game as you prefer,3:SaveStates LoadStates and Re-Records to see what you´re gonna do and re-do it for you don´t make mistakes or fails to make your play PERFECT and 4: you can watch your tool assist speedrun seeing and renderizing it to make a best run than ever! ;)
Sonic jumps quite a bit higher than boshy, and also runs faster. At 5:54 there is a pixel where if you jump (Flip gravity) it will do a screen transition on the same frame while sonic is touching the ceiling without being killed by the spike. When this happens you are pushed into the block on the next screen which allows you to exit the maze at an "undefined" position. This causes the game to do a screen transition without changing your current position, allowing you to fall out of the maze. E.G. You are entering the previous screen at X:0 Y:25, and instead of doing a screen transition + Teleport to a flipped X/Y coordinate like usual, it only does a screen transition since the position you are entering from is not defined. This leaves you at previous screen at X:0 Y:25, rather than moving the X coordinate to the right side of the screen like usual. This is my understanding at least, I haven't asked solgryn about it.
There's a few frames between his spinning animation and standing animation where his feet are off the ground and you can simply walk under them or let him move over you.
I needed to hit the switch in order to skip all of the switches after it. If you skip the first switch you must get the second switch due to a long column of red blocks blocking your way, and it takes longer to get to the second switch.
I was just curious why xwidghet didn't skip that screen. I did have a feeling there was some detail that saved more time, it is a TAS after all. Every millisecond counts.
I wanted to have the run be sonic only, but because the snake section is literally impossible for him I had to do one character change to complete the run. But, the current version of hourglass does not support mouse input and it will not allow you to do it yourself when the run is being played back. This makes character changes impossible to tas, along with disabling the use of a saving through walls glitch. To complete the run I had to do the character changes non-tas, and splice them in.
The video was not sped up, it's actually slightly slower than normal due to hourglass lag (the tool used to do the run frame by frame with save states). It's just that when you combine frame-perfect input accuracy with sonic's faster than normal running and higher jumps the game can be completed very quickly.
As far as TAS's go, this one, while it looks impressive, is actually poorly optimized. Could have shaved off a lot of frames by manipulating the RNG on Missingno, both in spawning him and especially his attacks. Also could have shaved frames using the world 4 save skip trick, as well as the Ganon dev button to freeze him in place. Also, if dying isn't an issue for the run, if you had died to Biollante, it would have skipped the tune at the end and save more time. Probably could have made a sub 19 run with those skips. I was impressed by the phase 2 SolGryn skip though, and overall it was a good run. Kudos for doing it and putting it up on the UA-cams for us to enjoy.
All characters you can play as retain Boshy's hitbox, and for a few frames Ryu's foot goes higher off the ground leaving just enough space to stay underneath and not get touched.
By delaying the start of the boss battle (When you press S to skip) even one frame the attacks that are used by random bosses change quite a bit. With missingno the best attacks would be to have a recover followed by wrap/splash. I was recently told that if you die after missingno dies the game still continues, so I may re-tas this section to try and defeat it in two-three attacks. I'm not sure if missingno can use the same attack multiple times, but I'll probably test it if I re-tas it.
Dude, u have to recreate this run with new-found tech. Unless it was already found and Sonic can't do it and I don't know stuff. People are flipping about recent 22 run, we need this new run 😃
I'm surprised you didn't go back and redo that MissingNo. That was an atrocity of a fight, four of his worst attacks in one fight and none of his three good ones.
Very entertaining TAS, this must have been so much fun to make! How many frames long is it? I've been playing this game blind on stream for about a couple weeks now, and I have to say this might be the hardest and most addicting game I've ever played. IrelandofEndor is the guy who discovered the world 4 skip, and he says he found it by watching me play, because apparently I almost got it by accident in my blind playthrough. Go figure. =P
sonic vs sonic be like tas sonic: you might know everything that I'm going to do but that won't help you because I know everything that you're going to do! STRANGE ISINT IT?!
I wonder why Solgryn decided to make Sonic's jump noise the springboard sound from Sonic 1 and 2 rather than Sonic's jump sound effect from either Sonic 1-3 or CD. Oh well.
Can anyone explain why he allowed such horrible MissingNo RNG? I know it's time-seeded, but waiting a few frames to save several sounds like a better plan than tri attack, rock throw, hyper beam. wixMerio
I didn't know how to manipulate his rng at the time I made this (double cut scene). My newer non-sonic run does do rng manipulation to get recovery and kill him before it ends.
But Sonic% is best run. Re-do this one with a godly missingno and get that record, man. Wix did a Sonic% run. Took, like, a bunch of hours. He has WR because noone else has ever run it.
You need to be on Windows XP, or else the game will not start with hourglass. I have details about running boshy in hourglass and the problems you may run into at the bottom of the video description.
This TAS, that is tool-assisted speedrun. Correct the key sequence, controlled by the program. Creator had zadrotit, but not as much as those who are hands (Translated)
Yes, when using Sonic the Cobrat doesn't behave correctly making the segment impossible without a glitch. The glitch involves grabbing the window to make the game lag, and using that to shoot bullets through blocks to save jump. However, Hourglass doesn't support this so I was unable to progress without switching to Boshy.
This is weird glitch that happens somehow with character switching (from Korean Speedrun he just changed character near 9th boss and came to teleporter room) Also with Sonic you can go behind Ryu, double jump and big hadouken wouldn't hit you and you can successfully spam him from behind
![[WR] Boshy any% (Dark Boshy, no Wrong Warp) in 29:59](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/l6gcpAJtkCE/mqdefault.jpg)
![[WR] Boshy any% (Dark Boshy, no Wrong Warp) in 29:59](/img/tr.png)
![[TAS] I Wanna Be The Boshy in 22:22.22](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_8faZP8ukRU/mqdefault.jpg)
![[HD 16:9] Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (TAS) - Hero Story in 25:11.87](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bB3L1-C2Rrw/mqdefault.jpg)
![[TAS] VVVVVV No Death Mode with all trinkets](/img/n.gif)
TAS is the best speedrunner of all time. He WRs on every damn game I look up.
you're not serious are you?
EasyLemon its a meme
Can’t tell if you’re joking
hahahahah you're very funny!
@@ClashOfDuty r/wooosh
Go.
Go. boing Go. boing Go.
CONFEEEESSSSSSS
fast
No its success @@iolecalvigioni6690
The TAS took around 20 hours, and I went back to save-states 3777 times.
I have a question that may seem slightly related to this: Can computers “learn” to make the perfect speedrun? Like... can a computer take past TASes, “learn” from them, and produce an even better TAS?
@@UNKNOWN-bp8it I think so. Search Code Bullet and look for one of his videos that includes evolution. It is related to your question.
@@UNKNOWN-bp8itI am a TAS Bot and yes this is theoretically possible.
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You forgot to pin your comment.
he is not man... he is machine
And sanic
obviusly :l
He is not man... He is hedgehog
Mishy Moshy he is not a rat he said she's a hedgehog
Mishy Moshy
_it literally is a machine though_
Бедняга шусс
NastChannel я думал что я тут один русский
Ну, до Семёна ещё далеко всё-равно!!! xD))))
Аве
Шустрила курит в сторонке
Это робот ,а шусс-машина.
7:32 The Most Epic Battle Ever!!!
8:36
LET'S GOU!!!
HOW FOU!!!L
バッチコイ！
ACHKAU!!
-LET'S GO!!!
-go
앗차가워~~!
4:20 - 5:22 I know this is a TAS and all BUT EVEN WITH SAVE STATES, HOW IS THAT HUMANLY POSSIBLE? lol
I'm not 100% sure if this is a joke, but this was done with frame-advance as well which is what made it possible. The enemies move towards you slightly so doing it in real-time with only save states would be rather tedious.
Oh, OK :P thx
xwidghet I think he meant how a person playing normally would beat it. Or maybe not. Or maybe you knew and I misunderstood your answer. Whatever.
He doesn't do it because TAS, but you can actually kill all those monsters that spawn.
GamerLKP636 with TAS everything that is impossible turns possible, there´s 4 things that you forget about TAS;1:Frame-Advance,2:SlowDowns it allows you to slowdown the game as you prefer,3:SaveStates LoadStates and Re-Records to see what you´re gonna do and re-do it for you don´t make mistakes or fails to make your play PERFECT and 4: you can watch your tool assist speedrun seeing and renderizing it to make a best run than ever! ;)
7:35 Sonic vs Sonic))
Found you, faker!
[GO INTENSIFIES]
I keep watching this again and again and it keeps amazing me...
the light speed ring shot lets you throw rings at light speed at enemies!
Me: Attempts to sneak into kitchen at 2 AM for a snack.
The creaking staircase: 8:36
For a long time wanted to see entire Sonic speedrun of boshy. Well, it exceeded my expectations. That run was awesome.
Current Non-TAS World Record: 33:20 by witwix
Turret now 30:43 by BBF_
Julian Rumpfinger
that wasn’t on sonic though was it
Current BBF 29:59
@@乙乙乙乙乙乙乙乙乙乙 me 10 years ago would go crazy
Cant believe we have gotten so far that there is a TAS without sonic that is 22:22 like damn
Does Sonic normally jump higher or is something being done in the tas to make him do that? Also what did you do at 5:54, that was crazy lol.
Sonic jumps quite a bit higher than boshy, and also runs faster. At 5:54 there is a pixel where if you jump (Flip gravity) it will do a screen transition on the same frame while sonic is touching the ceiling without being killed by the spike. When this happens you are pushed into the block on the next screen which allows you to exit the maze at an "undefined" position. This causes the game to do a screen transition without changing your current position, allowing you to fall out of the maze.
E.G. You are entering the previous screen at X:0 Y:25, and instead of doing a screen transition + Teleport to a flipped X/Y coordinate like usual, it only does a screen transition since the position you are entering from is not defined. This leaves you at previous screen at X:0 Y:25, rather than moving the X coordinate to the right side of the screen like usual.
This is my understanding at least, I haven't asked solgryn about it.
There's a few frames between his spinning animation and standing animation where his feet are off the ground and you can simply walk under them or let him move over you.
That is some good volume warnings right there mangs.
TAS is a good friend of mine. He rocks!
6:16 wait... BIOLLANTE!?
I really do hate that spider, and if I ever go deaf not to it, I'm blaming it in the first place...
Btw, at 15:03 you could have just went over the pillars, skipping the entire screen basically. Just saying.
I needed to hit the switch in order to skip all of the switches after it. If you skip the first switch you must get the second switch due to a long column of red blocks blocking your way, and it takes longer to get to the second switch.
ok, I didn't know that :)
I was just curious why xwidghet didn't skip that screen. I did have a feeling there was some detail that saved more time, it is a TAS after all. Every millisecond counts.
So that proves that normal sonic is much much stronger than super sonic
This game took me 4000+ deaths to beat Castlevania, and this guy rips it to shreds. GO GO GO GOGOGOGOGO
lol it's taking me 10000+deaths to beat Sonic XD
This is just too good. I laughed at that SkeletonKing kill so hard
I wanted to have the run be sonic only, but because the snake section is literally impossible for him I had to do one character change to complete the run. But, the current version of hourglass does not support mouse input and it will not allow you to do it yourself when the run is being played back. This makes character changes impossible to tas, along with disabling the use of a saving through walls glitch.
To complete the run I had to do the character changes non-tas, and splice them in.
The "reasonable volume spider" warnings at the start hahaha
The video was not sped up, it's actually slightly slower than normal due to hourglass lag (the tool used to do the run frame by frame with save states). It's just that when you combine frame-perfect input accuracy with sonic's faster than normal running and higher jumps the game can be completed very quickly.
wow tas is such a good player he is best guy ive ever seen
Send this to forsen.
Sonic? LUL (stuck on Mario atm myself =P)
I love how you decided not to kill any of the enemies in the mario fight
“I wanna be the g-“
Sonic: Gotta go fast!
New WR of 34:09 by Kalemandu (Non-TAS)
www.twitch.tv/kalemandu/c/3716455
As far as TAS's go, this one, while it looks impressive, is actually poorly optimized. Could have shaved off a lot of frames by manipulating the RNG on Missingno, both in spawning him and especially his attacks. Also could have shaved frames using the world 4 save skip trick, as well as the Ganon dev button to freeze him in place. Also, if dying isn't an issue for the run, if you had died to Biollante, it would have skipped the tune at the end and save more time. Probably could have made a sub 19 run with those skips. I was impressed by the phase 2 SolGryn skip though, and overall it was a good run. Kudos for doing it and putting it up on the UA-cams for us to enjoy.
+SquallEvoker As an edit, it's not dying to Biollante, you just have to mute the sound.
*Uploaded 7 years ago*
I love that credits song
7:32 Sonic fights himself
How did you not die at 3:11 ?
All characters you can play as retain Boshy's hitbox, and for a few frames Ryu's foot goes higher off the ground leaving just enough space to stay underneath and not get touched.
Go! Go! Go! Go!
(Repeat until run is over)
Awesome video! Also I was not expecting that catchy ending credits song lol. Took me by surprise :P
By delaying the start of the boss battle (When you press S to skip) even one frame the attacks that are used by random bosses change quite a bit. With missingno the best attacks would be to have a recover followed by wrap/splash. I was recently told that if you die after missingno dies the game still continues, so I may re-tas this section to try and defeat it in two-three attacks. I'm not sure if missingno can use the same attack multiple times, but I'll probably test it if I re-tas it.
That TAS dude is getting every WR record, he's so impressive. It's almost like he's a bot.
*Checking for updates...*
Dude, u have to recreate this run with new-found tech. Unless it was already found and Sonic can't do it and I don't know stuff.
People are flipping about recent 22 run, we need this new run 😃
GO! GO! GO! GO! GO! GO! GO! GO! GO! GO! GO! GO!
Please consider adding the volume warnings to the title, as some players don't support annotations! Great run, BTW.
0:25 what the platform up-left??
Уже больше 10 раз пересмотрел...и не надоедает =)
The Ultimate Stand-Off 7:33
I'm surprised you didn't go back and redo that MissingNo. That was an atrocity of a fight, four of his worst attacks in one fight and none of his three good ones.
This is what I understand about this Speedrun so far: Go
This was a very impressive and amusing TAS :D I hope to see more categories/faster times in the future!
19:32 actually
6:10 Sonic Vs. Biollante...now I have seen everything.
Very entertaining TAS, this must have been so much fun to make! How many frames long is it? I've been playing this game blind on stream for about a couple weeks now, and I have to say this might be the hardest and most addicting game I've ever played. IrelandofEndor is the guy who discovered the world 4 skip, and he says he found it by watching me play, because apparently I almost got it by accident in my blind playthrough. Go figure. =P
Final boss music is Megalith Agnus Dei, from Ace Combat 4.
He went.
sonic vs sonic be like tas sonic: you might know everything that I'm going to do but that won't help you because I know everything that you're going to do! STRANGE ISINT IT?!
Even knowing it was a TAS, you not using save points is incredibly nerve-wracking.
Damn TAS is a god.
@/\///\/_//\ r/whoosh, that's the fucking joke.
14:15 The warning the annotation made was a little late...
wats the spider
1:47 that Shoop Da Whoop sound caught me off gaurd
I like the part where he said "go"
Take a shot everytime he says "Go!"... Good luck.
What's the song after the megaman fight? Not the metal man theme but the little song that plays before the next stage
7:37 what's this song called
IWBTB soundtrack 19
@@syjh0907 thanks
Where is The Kid in I Wanna Be the Guy?
That is special skin.
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGo
I wonder why Solgryn decided to make Sonic's jump noise the springboard sound from Sonic 1 and 2 rather than Sonic's jump sound effect from either Sonic 1-3 or CD.
Oh well.
Can anyone explain why he allowed such horrible MissingNo RNG? I know it's time-seeded, but waiting a few frames to save several sounds like a better plan than tri attack, rock throw, hyper beam. wixMerio
I didn't know how to manipulate his rng at the time I made this (double cut scene). My newer non-sonic run does do rng manipulation to get recovery and kill him before it ends.
But Sonic% is best run. Re-do this one with a godly missingno and get that record, man.
Wix did a Sonic% run. Took, like, a bunch of hours. He has WR because noone else has ever run it.
xwidghet
sorry for my bad english,you can't shoot missigno when ihe is the air ? i
Supertriskel He has a shield whenever he is up in the air. The optimal strategy is to just get recover and kill him before it ends.
+xwidghet
Did you not know about World 4 skip or Biollante post-kill song skip?
I loved it, megamen part was so epic haha
Damn son! Excellent job. Make this game look so easy! It took me ages to beat mario
13:23 not boshy wins, Sonic wins
. FATALITY
Yes, 1 sonic jump is nearly the same height as boshy's double jump.
You need to be on Windows XP, or else the game will not start with hourglass. I have details about running boshy in hourglass and the problems you may run into at the bottom of the video description.
nice TAS !
7:37 sonic vs sonic?
ソニックの駆け抜ける爽快感がたまらない
Бошист Семён,это ты?
именно он родной !!! аве легион
это читер какой-то,бошист семён больше не заходит в игру,она для него слишком лёгкая.
Хз за семена, но Стаса узнаю, его стиль прохождения. Молодец Стас!
Этого вашего "Семёна" не существует :D, а это TAS можно сказать тут играет бот
Its pretty funny how sonic doesn't give a fuck about the pink hadouken ball(forgot to set the time 19:31)
9:06 would be slightly faster if you went under instead of over
This TAS, that is tool-assisted speedrun. Correct the key sequence, controlled by the program. Creator had zadrotit, but not as much as those who are hands (Translated)
What's the song when fighting hello kitty?
This game is satanic O_O
+The reversed guy hello *cough* final rupture *cough* ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
oh shit ur the gd dude
no u
fucking normies
When I tried it the bullets hit the object that he is sitting in, so it doesn't seem to work anymore.
wait a minute is classic sonic the charwter you playing fights mordern sonic?
Sorry if a comment already answered this years ago, but is the problem with W11 a bad interaction with the Cobrat?
Yes, when using Sonic the Cobrat doesn't behave correctly making the segment impossible without a glitch. The glitch involves grabbing the window to make the game lag, and using that to shoot bullets through blocks to save jump. However, Hourglass doesn't support this so I was unable to progress without switching to Boshy.
Блин как он сделал то что на 5:52???
I wanna be the
Sonic
Missingno says 'no' when he dies. lol
9:54 "Did I go deaf half way through that?"
Хуйня на 8:35 в своё время меня пиздец как пугала, сильнее даже чем пауки.
Why no world 4 (VVVV) skip through the save? It would have been faster
+Gyr Falco This was made before the save flip skip was found.
They will kill you if you touch them, though there's a few pixels on the left and right sides which you can stand on.
13:10
Ultra Instinct Sonic
Biollante skip was fixed in 1.7. I haven't heard of ganon skip though, do you have any information about it?
That dang spider >_
This is weird glitch that happens somehow with character switching (from Korean Speedrun he just changed character near 9th boss and came to teleporter room)
Also with Sonic you can go behind Ryu, double jump and big hadouken wouldn't hit you and you can successfully spam him from behind
It's really interesting, nowadays, to see that a TAS could be way faster because of starts that were found later on in the game's lifetime.