Chechnya's Bizzare Ban on Musical Tempo
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2024
- Chechnya's Cultural Minister just banned all music outside of 80-116BPM...why?
well....
This is probably just a clever way to make sure that Lezginka is legal (which is crazy fast, but whose half time tempo fits within this window) but foreign music like House and Techno does not.
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Anything can be 80-116bpm if you count it like a nerd:)
😂😂😂
Actually this song has a beat structure of heptadectuplets so even though it sounds to the philistine like it's at 7 bpm, it is actually a clean and very legal 119. Maybe we should make it a little slower, just to be on the safe side?
Are those numbers given in decimal or vigesimal?
@@Salsmachev ew dude
At least we get to listen to SpacePhonk: LxST Cxntxry, Kedela
As others have said, it is not a music ban, it's an excuse for a culture ban. Chechen authorities will not count the beats and then prohibit something, they'll just take down any concert or festivity they don't like alleging this law and be done with it.
Exactly
Like Palestine supporters in Germany. They just call someone an antisemite or Hamas supporter, then arrest them.
Except this is... FAKE.
Wanna buy a bridge?
@@Conserpov It's def not fake by the looks of it. How do you know?
@@thewhitefalcon8539 That's *complete* bs. And most Palestine supporters *are* Hms supporters, anyway. Lol
Laws like this are just a technicality. On the books to give them the ability to ban something whenever. Selectively enforced and never meant to actually be followed to the letter.
Yep, this.
Yes, but still bizarre and interesting, also depressing
Correct, it's very similar to hate speech laws, except a little more specific.
@@MrFreeGman Exactly. Where freedom of speech was a given right, its now turning into ‘swearing at someone as a white straight male is jail time’
The good ol' low posted speed limit.
RIP Chechnyan technical death metal scene.
chechen lezginkagrind is baned now
this is so sad
Yeah, it’s sad to see Chechen metal scene getting destroyed. It was so promising
Chechnical death metal.
Just play 32s and 64s. Issue solved
Nothing but breakdowns from now on
FITNESS GRAND PACER TEST OFFICALLY BANNED (75 BPM)
*The FitnessGram™ Pacer Test
FINALLY!
lil bro said fitness grand 🤣
"Up..."
Police: DOWN! DOWN!
How will we recover
"If you want the arts, fund them" is a simple message they aren't ready to hear
None of these rules lawyers wants the arts; they want to suppress any expression they don't like 💀
@@emilyrlnit's chechnia after all.
Oh, they do hire propaganda musicians. It's russia.
I mean i dont think any government is ready to hear this
@@emilyrlnwhat the saying means is "if you want to control the arts. Fund them"
As a huge fan of lezginka: this video ROCKS. I've never heard someone discuss its technicalities in English before! Should note that it's not just Chechen dance - it's performed in slightly different variations all around the Caucasus and by the Caucasian diaspora worldwide. Your first example video is from Kabardino-Balkaria, and while I can't find the original version of the second, it's got to be in front of Gostinny Dvor in St. Petersburg. Looks just like it.
Also, in case anyone was wondering, there will be no one in the Chechen government measuring the beat of every song. The law will be used reactively against individuals the state/community dislike already. Just like every repressive law in Russia.
Yup. It's an excuse to harass and repress the people they don't like.
>opens ableton live
>bpm defaults to 120
>swat team immediately breaks down my door
It's okay as long as you don't hit play
@@vaenii5056 imagine getting arrested for playing silence at 120 bpm
Hahahaha
Your comment made me laugh
lol dang beat me to it you rascal!
Your honor, my song is not in 79 bpm, it's actually a 79/80 polymeter
Genius
Still forbidden. Too decadent.
disagreeing with a judge in Chechnya, not advised
“Polymeter is not allowed, you must state the actual beats per minute without using those tricks.”
I'm going to write a piece that alternates between 80 and 116 every couple of bars. Don't dare perform it slightly wrong.
And in case anyone tries to get smug about fancy counting the lyrics go "all of these beats are quar-ter notes"
@@DuncanHarbisonBAHAHAH
Grindcore! :)
damn you preempted my comment about triplets good play
Any member of the rhythm section who pushes or drags the tempo may be subject to severe fines and possible imprisonment.
Being from Chechnya myself, I'm actually really happy that you, Adam (fun fact: my father's name is Adam too), really liked ''Lezginka'' and even made some kind of analysis on it, even if that happened because of a weird reason to be honest, but anyways, thank you!
Do you still live in Chechnya? If so, have you seen this law take effect yet? Do people even follow the law?
@@Bigkilla99 No, I live in Saint Petersburg, but almost every year I go to Chechnya to meet my relatives.
The only thing I can say is that I don't know anything about it's effect, but I can ask people who live there, so stay tuned :) Regarding the latter question it depends on how the law is... controlled I guess? I think people will still listen to whatever music they want, but more secretly, now nobody will throw a big party knowing that there's a risk of being punished.
@@umarelimbaev02 thanks for the info ✌️
@@Bigkilla99 you are welcome!
@@umarelimbaev02 Is it even legal to have raves or techno dances there? Like, what even motivated this law to be passed?
UK Government: _Bans "repetitive beats."_
UK Ravers: _Makes Breakbeat and Jungle._
Woohoo 🥳👍✨
Yup. it was/is such a stupid law!
Especially since the beats in most songs are repetitive. That's their purpose.
Tbf, breakbeat and jungle are just as repetitive as house and trance, unless you’re talking about stuff like Aphex Twin, or breakcore.
@@Stephen_Black I'm a drummer, so I don't disagree. Most breakbeat stuff isn't as crazy as people like to think and that includes a lot of what people nowadays call "breakcore." I see too many "breakcore" mixes that are basically just atmospheric jungle.
If you know how to find "the one," counting breakbeats is easy. It's not like it's ever out of 4/4 time.
Most music bans are really just culture bans but trying to seem non racist. When there were jazz bands they just made different genres with similar themes
my man you need help
@@Aspencio No, he is spot on. Watch it from 5:37 and see their reasoning the Chechen minister gives for the ban.
For sure. Though as a Brit PoC that went to a few raves in the 90s lol, Thatcher was specifically going after the field raves via electronic music, mainly because she just hated ‘degenerate’ ravers, drug takers, any kind of non-‘classical’ culture, disorderlyness/passion, ‘nuisance'… but tbh most of the field ravers were white and middle class.
I also hear the kids nowadays actually learn about that law in secondary school music class.
People should also watch the doc by Jeremy Deller - Everybody in the Place, on UA-cam. It’s an awesome social history of rave scene/acid house/uk politics in the 80s, set in a high school politics class of today.
(+ the chechen mullahs just hate all music and fun)
@@cemreomerayna463 im talking about the jazz thing because thats just wrong on every level
In the case of Chechnya, it seems like the ban is in an effort to prioritize more traditional Chechnyan music and culture.
This is Chechnya's Footloose
They already enacted a policy to imprison anyone who could be seen as gay. It's a little late for footloose
Exactly what I was thinking 😄😄
i think that was when they killed all the gays.
😂
It is Chechen mullahs being "loose".
So to summarise:
40-58 is OK!
58-80 is FORBIDDEN!
80-116 is OK!
116-160 is FORBIDDEN!
160 - 232 is OK!
Junglist massive!
120-174 should also be fine with triplets, so there's really only a range between 116-120 that's a problem.
freedom dive is ok (222.22 bpm)
160 - 232 ok? Sounds like a proper Darkpsy party. 😎
It's like learning how IP address ranges are reserved in my networking class. Seems so arbitrary.
I heard about this story elsewhere, but nobody has done such a deep dive as this. I've been enjoying every video of yours for years now and it has brought my own musicianship to new heights. THANK YOU Adam Neely for just being so damn Rad.
Drummer's perfect pitch is where they know the exact BPM right away.
Also flips between 6 8 and 5 8.
"Come on guys, your tuning is totally flat. We've got to stay between E(-4) and B(-4) or we'll get arrested."
@@dananskidolf All guitars without squiggly frets shall be confiscated and burnt.
I'd call that some sort of perfect time.
My dad was a DJ before I was born and plays drums as a hobby and he has that ability
Интересно, что там у Муцураева по bpm. По ощущениям, всё чётко…
Adam, if I ever organise a rave, you're invited as my musicologist. 🎉
Didn't get it until 7:21. :)
Challenge to create a mid-pace blackened death metal band based around Chechnyan cultural taboos accepted.
Ether is a solid choice for background music lol. Love your videos (and your music)! Keep up the great work.
The Chechen cultural ministry won't measure bpm, they'll just ban "degenerate" music (or whatever the Chechen alternative of degenerate is).
Yup, leave it to fat, old Chechens to decide what is degenerate and what isn't.
yeah exactly
It’s rebel illi music, like Alimsultan Imam and Mucurai Temur.
Legitimate reasons might be:
- offending feelings of Islam fundamentalists
- "promoting LGBT"
- offending the state
@@Entrophiusthat may be but they're still not "legitimate" reasons.
Good, they can still perform CPR in Chechnya. "Stayin' Alive" is 104 bpm.
my favourite CPR song is Another One Bites the Dust (also legal at 112bpm).
i thought of CPR by cupcakke 😭 (103 bpm, so.. legal if you don't know the lyrics)
@@aiaioioi what the hell...
Thank you now I'm in love with LEZGINKA it's so freakin cool
And now it's both cool and illegal.
Which makes it even cooler.
Thanks for this video! One of my students just stopped singing and playing instruments in my music lessons, right after this law has been established, his family comes from Chechnya so probably this would be the reason. I am so sad!
One district mayor from my city banned all concerts. Luckily, they didn't specify what a concert is, so bands are now doing "recitals" and "public rehearsals".
That must look great on paper, that kind of rebranding definitely sounds like a levelup, such a sophisticated town!🧐
Now I wonder where you're from.
@@Seamannon Peru. The district I mentioned is called Barranco, in Lima city. It is a bizarre ban, because that district is known for its diverse music scene.
@@LON009 Thanks for your reply, I like to learn about strange things around the world. I'd probably never come across this information if it wasn't for you 😅
This seems like an absurd situation indeed. How did it come to be? Do you have any clue? Was it for some noise complaints from the inhabitants or something?
@@Seamannon It's all because of the paranoid far-right party that won the last city elections. Barranco is an artsy district, so, by banning concerts, they believe they are stopping "terrorists" from doing "secret rallies" or something.
That's very disconcerting.
As someone who comes from a culture that has these similar, weirdly conservative and traditionalist tendencies to just ban stuff left and right, I love watching people like this embarrass themselves on a global level. I have to live life cut off from western culture, at least I get to point and laugh on the internet.
As someone who has no context to what you're referring to, what did you find so funny about this?
Trump will ban music entirely if the evangelicals push him.
@@stoneneils Americans arguing which president is worse (they are both the worst presidents in the history of the U.S.)
@@stoneneilsThere are a lot of things you can say about trump and the evangelicals, but I don't think banning all music is on their agenda
@@stoneneilsI think you might just be schizophrenic.
"The idea of regulating music [...] for the good of the people feels downright..."
Fascist.
"Platonic"
Oh.
Like minded 😂👍
@@Hajo87-tz7hz Hella! ♥
Brilliant analysis as always!
German Nazis put up signs "Swing Dancing prohibited". But one of their biggest movie stars Hans Albers did a song "Beim ersten Mal da tut's noch weh" (from the movie "Große Freiheit Nr. 7", filmed in 1943) that is pure big band swing, especially the part with the trumpet. So dictatorships seem to have a tradition of not doing what they preach, weird 😂
Simple. Many monarchy has banned specific color or ornament for regular people so that only royals or high people could own the feature.
I guess they just wanted to privatize their own signature musical flavor?
@@unknown-Bzop1not really. The Nazis banned swing music because it was American and untraditional ( therefore they viewed it as degenerate)
Interesting, where can I find more information regarding this, preferably unbiased, and free from allied propaganda (which is hard to find)
@@unknown-Bzop1exactly! Please should multiply and pay taxes, nothing more
OK for the record if this sounds nazism to you I am just so sorry...
I was just supposed to point out that they have double standards but apparently I just mislead yall... Sorry again...
"Bleed" by Meshuggah is 115bpm
It's only just legal in Chechnya.
I propose we play it wherever we go in Chechnya
Guerilla Radio is 104 bpm... We can go places with this
Great video, love your outlook on music
I'd love to see videos more frequently from You! 😎
There was a joke, and I’m forgetting the specific wording, but basically in the UK, if you had four old men sitting around a gramophone playing German oom-pah music, it was technically a rave, and therefore illegal
Are raves illegal in UK?
Actually i don't know what is a rave (for UK people).
@@kaltziferYT "any gathering of 20 or more people where: 63(1)(b) "music" includes sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats." It's not a quaint old law to chuckle at either, it is still in force to this day.
@@yorkletronik thnx
That's from one of the Technical Difficulties reverse trivia podcast episodes (can't remember which one).
@@yorkletronik So it'd actually be 21 old germans, not 4.
Kadyrov and his cronies simply don't know what else to do so they start doing weird things.
Like every politician
@@E0O2X314FT true but the ones in autoritharian countries get bored quicker.
@@E0O2X314FTnon-authoritarian politicians are usually replaced before they get bored
@@areksrocks3375 I mean technically we are all enslaved by the corrupt businessmen that choose and fund which politicians you can vote for.
@@areksrocks3375 in Chechnya, people are kidnapped and tortured for criticizing Kadyrov. Often they simply disappear forever. The same thing happens with LGBT people. Honor killings are encouraged and not punished by law.
By the way, slavery exists there too. In the literal sense of the word. There are many stories of people who were kidnapped and used as slaves for years.
Just like in your non-authoritarian country, where are you enslaved? Practically the same thing, right?
This is an awesome video. Adam, you are smart and terrific.
Terrific! What a fun and informative video! 🙂
Oh my God, if only Frank Zappa were alive today.... He would have a field day
My first thoughts 😂
We used to do a night on the second Saturday of every month and at the end of the night to clear the dancefloor we would always play ' Why does it hurt when I pee ' by Zappa.
Somewhere, right now, In an alternate universe, Frank is composing "The (mostly) Blank Page". 🤣
Indeed 👍🏼
The poor guy would lose his fucking mind.
God damn it's good to hear your voice. Well paced video too, not too fast, not too slow. ❤️
The sweet spot of videos.
The greatest comment today....
You could say he talks at 80bpm
Nice to see Dr. VanHandel on here! She was teaching at MSU when I was finishing my Doctorate there.
Really interesting video, thanks for the great presentation!
The super fast 6/8 thing is also a big part of Irish traditional music
fr sometimes i redownload Lords of the Dance just to feel something
My cousin found out that he has 9 percent of Irish blood after he sent his analysis to some Texas university and we are Chechens by the way
P.S. - sorry for my english :)
It is. He has covered it before unsurprisingly lol.
@@Arycke do you know which video ?
@@goonyougoodthing I could have sworn I saw him mention it in a Q+A, too many to look back in :/ however, I may, and probably did, recall incorrectly think of his video "How to play in 9/8"
"sounds (...) characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats." So, basically all music.
Someone has got to have tried some sort of fractal meter where no two beat spacings repeat, right?
@@WillHirschUKI don't know if you would hear that as music...
@@CainXVIIsearch fractal music on UA-cam I’ve seen a couple experimental videos and they seem pretty cool actually
Cool to see you talking about footwork! Big up chi town !
Fascinating, thank you
i lived in chechnya for 5 years and it was surreal. just a local government getting progressively more ridiculous (but also in a scary way?) and just so contradictory
in school we were told that women singing is immoral. then someone pointed out chechen folk singing, they said it was ok. one girl asked why metal is "bad", they had no answer lol.
lezginka and chechen music is insanely popular there, there is no reason for this law other than to promote "morals and tradition". its really all performative, the local government loves doing a show of upholding chechen traditions but doesnt really enforce it, its just for local TV (and a way for ministers to get approval from kadyrov)
Maybe some contradiction are probably there because, maybe chechnyan culture is older than islam
A better way to spread the local music is to promote it. When you ban something, it just becomes more enticing to taste the forbidden.
7:59 That's why UK artists have the mad breakbeat cuts. 4 on the floor is illegal and puts everybody to sleep.
"4 on the floor? More like snore on the floor" - UK electronic artists probably
@@MrOzzification Aye!
@@MrOzzification"More like four to the BORE, right?" "We got it, mate."
capo tus videos siguen siendo geniales
But your honor, she told me she was dancing at 90 bpm. I didn't know, I mean, she looked fast enough.
eyyy nice shoutout to chicago juke/footwork!!! I instantly thought of it when you started showing the lezginka!
AND an autechre shoutout?? damn dude.
To be fair, footwork is just a modern interpretation of 80s poppin' and lockin' from the Breakdance era.
I was looking for a comment like this! Didnt expect to see footworking be mentioned lol.
@@ericstearns170 ghetto house music and juke existed tho and that's the true root of footwork
Ditto. Footwork deserves a lot more attention from musicologists if only because of the unique rhythms found in it.
They made me learn this dance when I was a kid. ROFLed from Malmsteen's playing matching lezginka so well. Would love to see people dance Black Star this way...
They will soon regulate what speed you breathe.
Love the video. Love how you've turned a silly oppressive law into something educational and fun. (Not that it matters but some of my family comes from Chechnya.)
HE’S BACK BABY
As always with these bans, the common folk will suffer, and the (rich) people in charge of the ban will ensure their children can travel abroad to listen to this highly dangerous foreign contaminated music.
Not the Chechens. It's not that kind of nation
@@vladalexeev8529 chechnya isn't a nation. Pretty much every ruling class is hypocritical in some way. Even the prophet was hypocritical.
@@testacals it's a country within a country. They are not regular region. It's a price for peace. But one thing is for sure, they don't send children to Switzerland or UK. They are just different kind of persons.
@@vladalexeev8529 Country is a vague definition itself but most people and most definitions of country agree that autonomous region within a country isn't a country. Otherwise countries like USA has 100s of countries within it.
@@testacals
"Otherwise countries like USA has 100s of countries within it."
Well, yeah. That's why they are called united STATES and each can have separate laws.
EXCELLENT, thanks !!! ❤
Fabulous topic ✌️
I bet that Chechnya wants to be an utopia for all its citizens and this was their last problem on the list. Now they are fucking dandy perfect.
Yup, unfortunately, rather than being a utopia, Sharia law is about as backwards and dystopian as it gets
Exactly.
RETURN OF THE KING
I hope you're talkin about King Charles, footwork legend. :D
About the last thing I expected to see in a Adam Neely video.
Wait a minute, is HOUSE of the King safe? I hope so.😅
I use my old school windup metronome with the slider. I haven’t moved it in years but I can practice ANY tempo off it. Its all in how you feel it.
I think about this constantly when listening to black metal. The tremolo picking gets so fast that it starts to feel like more of a drone when I listen to it. And in fact, when my (Dominican) spouse and I first got together we discovered that bachata guitar work has a similar sort of vibe.
"Different levels of pulse salience" - finally I have an academic af way to describe how the time shifts in the album Tago Mago by Can.
It's insanely disturbing that governments think it's acceptable to ban music, not just by genre, but even going as far as regulating its speed. Wtf is wrong with our species.
I know it was a rhetorical question but the deep question about how we form identity and its role in social cohesion and conflict is a deeply serious one. FWIW I think some of the answers lie in Terror Management Theory. It's a complex theory but it does make sense of why cultural constructs are universal and persistent and why threats (real or perceived) create great (and even violent) conflict.
This is brilliant! Love it. Thanks Adam :-) Hans calls this 'Metric Sub-Division' which you can hear in the car chase sequence in 'The Rock'. Can we chat about some frequency research I've been doing for some time now...?
Yngwie for the win. The guy is mental! 😎 BTW do a video on how to chose the right bass for different genres of music. How would you/did you choose yours.
Adam, this is a wonderful video. Will watch whatever videos you make. I always learn so much. Thanks!
9:21 The problem is, Chechnya couldn't really promote education or fund musicians bc (1) it's a fairly politically unstable region; (2) Chechnya basically exists on direct federal subsidies from Moscow which primarily (due to insane corruption) goes to Kadyrov and his circle; and (3) it's a Muslim-majority (Sufist Sunni) region.
Brother, it's not that they couldn't; they simply don't need that. This ban is just another demonstration of the power they have over their own people.
any day adam uploads is a good day
Fantastic scholarly investigation. I particularly enjoyed the surprising Plato twist. And the solution: fund education and the arts… yes!
I didn't know why came to this channel until you showed me Lezginka over Malmsteen. Thank you.
😳When she said people usually tap ~100bpm i paused the video and tried it myself.
I instinctively started tapping in threes at an EXACT bpm of 240. When you explained chechen dance music as exactly this i had to rewind the whole video to see if it played before and somehow got into my subconscious or if i genuinely have chechen dance music ingrained in my soul.
I might have to do a dna test now😅
I knew there was going to be a Adam Neely video about this, as soon as I read the news!
Authoritarians be like ...
Producers be like "Dubstep's still legal? Let's have some fun."
Chechnya is not about authoritarianism, it is about what will happen to your country if you are occupied by the Russians. After the Russians killed many thousands of Chechens in two bloody wars, all the rulers of Chechnya are directly installed by Moscow.
I swear we’re not too far from this kind of ban in Florida. Holy shit things are getting bad law-wise, keep the sane folks here in your thoughts.
fwiw, i like this more relaxed non rushed, non pressured output you're making. seems like you're enjoying yourself more.
THIS VIDEO NEEDS TO GO VIRAL! What tempo is 'too fast', or 'too slow', is always a hot topic for my fiddler friends & I - but it's hard to realize that idiotic politicians are still making these kinds of disgusting decisions for people on this planet. Always appreciate what you offer up, Adam! 🤗
Adam’s back 🙌
Never thought I'd see a crossover of Chechnya's politics and music theory
Where do you see Chechen politics? Has Chechnya become independent? No, Chechnya is a part of Russia where Russians have been killing Chechens for 30 years, just as they have been killing Ukrainians for the last 10 years.
Looking forward to everyone dropping their Chechen remixes
Kudos for the Autechre reference! ❤
UK government: Repetitive beats forbidden.
Autechre: OK. (invents Drill 'n' Bass)
Not me thinking on making music from now on in 117 BPM 🙂
It's a not bad BPM for melodic techno
VanHandel was actually a little known and shortly-lived incarnation of Van Halen when they recorded “Too Hard to Handel” with Chris Robinson of the Black Crowes on lead vocals
Note to Chechens: Most heavy metal music is in the 80-120 BPM range. Bang your head!
I've never heard of footwork but it reminds me of a group I used to hear a lot in Philly - Dollarboyz. I found a video of them from 2012 and the track was about 166 bpm, so send those boys to Chechnya! (if they want to go)
The kick drum typically plays two quarter notes followed by a pseudo-triplet of two dotted eighths and one eighth note. There are sometimes handclaps on 1 and 3, so you could easily take the handclaps as a pulse at 83 bpm.
8:10 Yes, gatherings around rave music are still banned in the UK. Don't worry, its not stopping anyone
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That is not at all what is going on. Why are you lying? The only thing illegal is them being too loud and inconsiderate of people who don't wanna rave. A former office block in central London has been the subject of a closure order after endless illegal raves caused havoc for nearby residents with gatherings lasting over 14 hours, and music so loud it caused walls to shake.
@KYSMO they're not lying. "Powers to remove persons attending or preparing for a rave": www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/section/63
Amounts to them being banned.
@@KYSMOshaking walls, 14 hours, empty commercial spaces... afaik, that's your standard, garden-variety rave. if that's illegal, raving is illegal.
@@kayosgarden So people's quality of life is less important then a bunch of arseholes whose idea of a good time is spending all night drugged up in a room with damaging volumes of music, good to know. Sorry for being an evil fascist by valuing sleep a silence.
Кто бы мог подумать, что Адама Нили вернут в игру новости из Чечни
Чечня нынче другим Адамом на весь мир славна(
@@Pharisaios не преувеличивай, кому он нахрен кроме пост-совка сдался
ещё и такие позорные :(
Are you gonna do the Super Fast Instagram Q&A (insert triplet) again? I loved those videos
Great video (apart from you saying both saying Chechnian rather than Chechen lol)
Chechnya must love Morbid Angel. A lot of their work lies directly within that BPM range. “This Means War” is a 103 BPM skull basher. They should check it out and play it loud.
"Platonic" was not the word that I would have come up.
Plato was a _very_ opinionated man. You can say "Platonic" about just about anything, as long as it's strict, arbitrary and immaterial.
lol i thought the same
Why not? The strict control of music for the sake of societal order appears in the Republic, among other places. I think its in book 3. A lot of people associate this idea with Platon as well, hence making it Platonic
@@dank5018 I think because that's just isn't the main thing people associate with the term "platonic." We're used to its use for platonic friendships (i.e. non-sexual) or platonic solids (i.e. quintessential) or something referencing "The Cave."
Also, because they were probably thinking of another word that is more derogatory. "Platonic" has an air of academic legitimacy to it.
@ZipplyZane that comes from the idea of a "platonic ideal" plutonic relationship comes from the fact that Plato disagreed with Greek ideas of marriage. It is still perfectly normal to use Platonic to refer to ideas that are related or similar to Plato's
How are they going to ban ambient music? Its literally no bpm. lmao.
Bold to assume they've heard of ambient music or consider it music in the first place
We have lived up to the moment when Adam tries to play lezginka on the bass guitar.They will give a medal for this, but to another Adam
Lovely watch!
Made me think, I feel like the structure of swing beats is almost optimized to resist the half-time feel
perhaps the hats on 2 and 4 and lack of strong downbeat on most measures make it harder to believe in a half or quarter time feel when you hear a swing beat at 260bpm
This is absolutely ridiculous! At least you're able to report on it in your usual entertaining and incredibly informative way, but damn!
Great video!
A bit of topic has anyone told you that you like like Jude Law hahaha! Nice work
10:05 it's bold of you to assume that they are care about the fairness of their judgement
HE'S BACK!!
OMG Dr. Van Handel was my theory professor during my Master's at the University of British Columbia!!!
Same except University of Oregon in 2003! She was about the same age as the students. Good prof.
The great thing about the accordion is that you can really shred fast with perfect pitch for each note. It provided speed that was not previously possible in the regions music.
Really interesting topic! Thanks for the video, Adam. In the case of UK legislation, the music wasn't made illegal per se, just in the context of an illegal rave. I'm not sure why they needed to define rave music in the legislation - if raves had only played The Carpenters at high volume, it still would have been a 'nuisance'. Iirc, some of the legal issues stemmed from trepass being a civil rather than a criminal offence in the UK.
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