Destiny's Heated Debate w/ Cenk On Israel
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- Опубліковано 17 гру 2023
- DEBATE: Destiny debates Cenk on Israel-Palestine conflict Hosted by Eli Hassell
Date: 17 Dec, 2023
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Title is wrong, should say PRESIDENT Cenk
For being so smart destiny you're not very smart are you!?
First of all the people of Gaza are surrounded by three concrete walls with the fourth one being the ocean, Gaza has no port or control of a sea port of any kind, Gaza also has no ability to access its airspace up above with no self-defense systems of any sorts, you say Ham, uses people as human shields how? The people have nowhere to run do you not understand how tall the walls are that surround Gaza and the security that is around that perimeter? You do also realize that Israel controls its electricity and its water? Look the list goes on and on and on you either paid by the Israeli media company to promote Israel in a positive light or you're just stupid destiny which one is it?
How you're this spot on in high resolution but can't see the inevitably destructive ideology that has consumed the modern left is really confusing to me. You're fighting for a political party that won't just disappoint you but will continue the march towards authoritarianism if not defeated.
Kamikaze werent a terror weapon It was basically a guided cruise missile. It was seen as effective vs the training needed.And werent' thrown away weapon Kamikazes could return to base. There couldnt constantly return to base.
Hi, what headphones are you using?
From 'Hamas are not using human shields' to 'Where else can they fire rockets from except apartment buildings?'. Oh no Cenk....
Can I ask you to… answer that question instead of just saying “oh no”
Where in Gaza should Hamas fight from? Can you point me to an area somewhere during the conflict where they could have fought from where there would be no civilians around?
I also disagreed with cenk literally until you wrote this comment and then I couldn’t answer myself where I think they should fight from
Edit* I forgot to write “where Hamas would not be immediately destroyed”
I always understood there are non residential areas of Gaza. The amount of you who all got your rocks off pretending like I’m some brain dead Hamas supporter are super cringe and the way you jump to conclusions reminds me of the convos I have in hasan comment sections. To everyone who actually engaged thank you!
@@JaKeIsCoolGuy they shouldn't be firing rockets in the first place. They shouldn't exist / be there in the first place.
@@JaKeIsCoolGuy but thats not the point. its more the fact they DO use human shields and even dress in civilian clothing.
@@JaKeIsCoolGuythe "oh no" is in reference to the 2 sentences being extremely contradictory. The second question implies that the first statement is just plain wrong. And to your point. Are you claiming there is no piece of land in Palestine that is not inhabited by civilians? I'm no expert at all on the geography of Palestine, but I find that hard to believe
Madness
If Cenk had only shaken his head one more time, he would've won this.
That's nonsense. Now, if only he had accused Destiny one more time of being racist, that would've been a different matter.
I’m surprised his brain didn’t fall out, it’s definitely shaken loose or something..
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*Shakes head* I won by your logic right? @@user-dm6oq6nh9y
It's warcrime when Israel does it, but not when Palestine does it. According to the rules of engagement, Israel is still within its accordance. Get your head out of your ass. No military warns the way IDF does. You want to be stupid in the definiitions of genocide, regardless of statistical evidences, go for it! You have no credibility to say what is "right" at this point
This is literally facts vs feelings
Elaborate
@@Jon_W_I mean, watch the video. Destiny gave examples to back up what he was saying and cenk screamed and made stupid sounds
@@iodedonpepto Destiny says if a peace deal was on the table that released all of the hostages Israel would accept it. That actually happened in real life a few weeks ago. Israel rejected it. How’s that for facts vs feelings?
Lets say the Iron Dome did not exist for Israel. Wouldnt the Israeli casualties be a lot higher? Just because a lot of those were intercepted and a lot of civilian lives were saved from it... it doesnt mean that Hamas didn't intend to kill more civilian or couldnt have if such defense didnt exist.
[Edit: spelling]
absolutely!
If the Iron Dome fell, Israel wouldnt exist cause Hamas would flatten it leaving millions of Jews dead.
This is a great point. People are punishing isreal for being good at keeping citzens safe
If it wasnt for the dome they would still be cowards like they were in poland and germany
Calling Cenk a "Presidential candidate" gave me a pretty good laugh
Same
Cenk says he is though. Was the laugh because he won't win or because you didn't know?
@@flain283Lord Buckethead is a more legitimate candidate in the UK than Cenk is in the US, is why it's a laugh.
i think this debate did make me have more respect for destiny. like him or not he could have easily taken some low blows to him about hasan and hes takes and make the whole convo about how he reports wrongly.
He wasn't born in the USA so he can't win, no.@@flain283
>be cenk
>says hamas doesnt use human shields
>goes on to justify hamas using apartment buildings for mortar pits
I can certainly get critizing the IDF and there's fair arguments to be made there but the people that straight up defend literal terrorists just blow my mind.
Someone else here (apparently criticizing Hamas) said:
"there is a difference between hiding among the civilians and actively blocking civilians from leaving the city where hamas is hiding."
Sounds like it addresses your confusion.
@@BrandonHeat243giving all the extreme right wing arguments ammunition and justification.
The Muslim bans suddenly got justified when even all these “westernized” Muslims came out and supported actual genocidal terrorists.
Mia Khalifa fussed about Arabs getting stereotyped as terrorist supporters while supporting Hamas and Oct 7th in the same argument. I guess they can kiss good faith stereotypes goodbye.
Idk why they can’t just cover for Hamas smartly if they’re going to do it.
@@ChallengerBanX
Were you watching the same debate? The UN, and several other global institutions have said Hamas used human shields!!! 🤦♂️ INCLUDING HAMAS! They call it the CNN strategy look it up, the fact that you're ignorant to this shows you shouldn't be weighing in on something you're clueless of!!
@@ChallengerBanX Bro. They literally captured hundreds of people just a few months ago to use as shields. What more confirmation do you need?
“Ok so clearly Israel needs to end the occupation”
(Cenk nods)
“But at the same time I think the Palestinians should-“
(Cenk shakes his head and sighs)
Cenk is like a parent of an out-of-control child who resists any attempts at disciplining him and thinks everyone who objects to his disgusting behaviour is hateful and unreasonable and thinks there's nothing wrong with anything the kid does, even though it's clear the kid's violent antisocial behaviour has made every other kid hate him, gotten him kicked out of every school he's gone to, and will eventually land him in the penitentiary or worse.
Cenk is so out of his league in this discussion
comedy gold that statement
That's because he's at a kindergarten level intellectually and emotionally. No offense to the toddlers. They have an excuse, he doesn't.
I have literally never in my 37 years seen someone strawman so much in such a short time.
Cenk 101
what does that mean
they had a great conversation
@@bloodywoodsstrawmanning if I understand correctly means misrepresenting someone’s argument and then arguing against that
Incestual lust??? 🥵🥴
Cenk somehow always manages to impress me with how stupid his arguments can be
He just nods his head no, but there isn't ONE single non-secular Muslim political party in the Middle East that isn't communist and/or Jihadi anarcho nationalist. From the Baath party to every single Muslim party in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and yes Israeli Arabs and ALL Palestinian parties. They are all nuts and want to destroy the world and they have zero ZERO credibility in statecraft. The idea to give these people a free hand at nationhood is about a stupid idea as one can conceive, and this numbnut Cenk is just the biggest liar on the face of the Earth.
Can you point out a specific one?
WoW you red my thoughts
@@IsawUupThereno he cannot because it is feelings he is presenting, Israel was wrong and backed by half the world
@@IsawUupThere easily. Cenk defends the rediculous notion that Israel should allow its citizens to be slaughtered by this jihadi organization, and basically does not think they should be allowed to defend themselves.
Go into the tunnels and clear them out? Its like cenk never heard of Vietnam. Thats a suicide mission.
I genuinely believe that's what he wants. I used to think Cenk was just dumb, but in every debate about this he shows an underlying disdain for Jewish life.
He wants the IDF crippled, and for Hamas to have a "fair" chance.
@@FroggyBunwich "Where else are they supposed to fire rockets!?"
ok so genociding innocent ppl is ok but it's to dangerous for the military to try and hit military targets 🤦♀. You wil change ur tune so fast if u were a civillian in Gaza....
@@derpestarzt no probably not. Going into tunnels is suicide why risk the lives when bombs work fine. It was dumb when America did it in Vietnam and it's even more dumb now.
@@em0rabbit798also, the terror tunnels are said to be 300 miles, which is 10 times more expansive than the ones in Vietnam. Not only is it a suicide mission, it is hopeless.
As a South African...stop using the word apartheid.... you have no idea what that means.... sharia law is an apartheid system,but no muslim wants to talk about that....
Hard whataboutism
@@MrPapernumberDGGliterally look at Pakistan, UK , British, India ,somalia, Nigeria and other wherever Muslim extremist goes literally the middle east wasn't originally a Islamic land until Islam took over ( genocide of Armenian , Kurds, destroying historical items due claim (false prophet beliefs ), honor killings ( most appears in poor Islamic area's Palestine and Yemen. Especially religious disputes
Cenk: The Palestinians aren't going to other countries and being violent. That's Islamophobia.
Destiny: The Palestinians tried to overthrow the Jordanians and launched terrorist attacks in Europe.
Cenk: When a people are subjugated, what do you expect them to do? They go to the most radical means.
Mental gymnastics by Cenk
Another liberal lefty morphing into a Nazi when it comes to the occupied Palestinians. Talk about mental gymnastics.
Do you know where Jordan is? Who did they attack in Europe? It's difficult to have conversations when one side is disingenuous.
@@twiedenfeld Yes, I know exactly where Jordan is, and they have had attacks in Germany and Britain. Who do you believe is being disingenuous?
@@house684Who's the liberal lefty that is supposedly a Nazi?
@@twiedenfeld try puttin forth an actual argument, not sure if implying whatever happens in your brain is a good strategy
You did good in your first presidential debate, destiny.
I'm very proud of this brave woman 😀
Finally a polandrist woman president!!! We can do it@@caseypdx503
does he think if he speaks fast he sound clever, or is he on cocaine?
Trump jr for Vice President and hasan to run the fed
@@lizardman1303 In what universe is that ever possible? lol
"that's absurd because I disagree with something else you didn't say"
What's absurd is that cenk in the same breath can say that the other Arabs are not involved and have nothing to do with this while simultaneously saying that the Palestinians trying to overthrow the Jordanian King is because the Israelis are occupying the Palestinians and then as well as ignore the fact that they tried to overthrow the government in Egypt as well😂😂😂
And caused the Civil War in Lebanon in 1975, and betrayed Kweit by supporting Sadam Hussain during the Gulf War in 1990. It's not a coincidence that no country wants to take them in, they are considered highly detrimental to every country they enter. Seriously I don't blame any of these countries, I think the International community is harming them by keeping the dream alive, they have no reason to negotiate a solution that requires them to relinquish the no Jewish state at any borders of the territory and acknowledge the Jewish connection to the land. I am not optimistic since those issues are at the heart of the Palestinian Identity, they have no substance aside from that.
@@Yara-Li well true they're trying to chase a dream it's a dream that was actually created by the British mandate for Palestine that region under the Ottoman empire didn't even have what would be known as an ambassador they had zero representation they were literally leasing the land from the Ottoman empire and the representatives of the zionists program started legally purchasing the land from the Ottoman empire before world war I by the time Britain had initiated the Palestine mandate the representatives of the zionists program had already purchased legally up to 6% of the land 0 I understand that doesn't sound like much but keep in mind less than 30% of the land was actually occupied 🤔
"How naive do you want your take on Israel/Palestine to be Cenk?" "Yes."
"How zionist propaganda do u want your take to be Destiny?" "yes"
at this rate destiny will become the first female president
What did i miss, why everybody referring to Destiny as female😅
@@alex1991ander It started with Jesse Lee Peterson referring to Destiny's online alias as a "girl's name", at which point the DGG community just rolled with it. You'll see this joke a lot on anything involving him on UA-cam.
That joke is so old now
Destiny is the worst type of idiot. He's an educated idiot!
Im watching this around 30 mins in. So far, destiny wants to use facts and cenk clearly just wants to use emotions. Destiny seems like someone who has prepared for a debate...cenk seems like someone arguing off of the top of his head that you'd meet in a bar.
The thing is... it's hard to take a guy like Cenk seriously when he hand waves the atrocities of Hamas, but demonstrates a willingness to blame Israel 100%. If you can't give a full-throated condemnation of Hamas, then I don't care what you have to say about the circumstances.
Destiny lost the debate as soon as he admitted that israel is occupying palestine though
@@666Kacawell yes, they do, forget about GAZA, what about the west bank, what do you think will happen if ISREAL keep building the settlements, kicking out Palestinians from their homes, control the money, and guess what they also killing Palestinians each year in the west bank, it is just matter of time than the Palestinians there will say enough and start fighting back, and what do you think will Isreal say when that happen?? West Bank is a terrorist state, we are defending our self, they are killing us!!! West Bank will be the second GAZA according to ISREAL if you want to put it that way
@@666Kacano he didnt. Just saying he did doesnt make it factual. Disregarding all the other talking points. Not hard to see where you stand on the issue.
After this display, I can confidently say Destiny has my vote. We need a woman in the White House.
Haha, yes. The first Cuck in Chief.😅
He'll be the first 'swing' president. He goes both ways of the aisle.😂
😂😂😂😂
black woman as president, you go girl!!!😂
Destiny could be playing Factorio in the white house and do a better job than this "presidential candidate" he had a "discussion" with. First woman president!
53:40 Send in your Gay Special Forces instead of Hiding behind Walls and pressing buttons!!!! SMH
"You can put my side in a funny voice, I'm not using a funny voice. I'm giving you evidence" hit so hard.
Yh evidence 😆😆😆
@@billybutcher9147 Mad Muslim 🤭
@@TheSpiritof76 gay atheist
I can see the sigma edits already
@@harrytowers1076 I hope there will be some!
Cenk creates more strawmans than a corn field farmer😂
Cenk's refusal to assign ANY blame to the Palestinians is what lost him this debate in my opinion.
Destiny: "War is bad."
Cenk: "I agree with Destiny that Israel is bad."
Israel calls for war all the time. Wtf lol
@@Stray16 You think Palestinians don't?
More like
Cenk: the root cause of the conflict is Israel’s oppression of Palestinians.
Destiny: yeah but if they want the oppression to stop, Palestinians have to stop fighting the oppressor back first.
Also, Destiny parroted some of the most dishonest Zionists talking points. The most obnoxious one is the idea that Israel gave Palestinians an amazing deal years ago and they rejected it because they just want to kill all the Jews instead. All the deals they offered Palestinians denied them of a national army. What sovereign nation would accept this?
*139 countries* recognize Palestine as a sovereign state and every couple of years, the UN votes for Palestinian statehood (you know, how they did for Israel statehood) and the result is always 160 something votes in favor of it and a few nos by Isreal, the U.S. (of course) and a few small countries like Micronesia or Papua. New Guinea. The overwhelming majority of international community is for the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. The 2 countries preventing it are Israel and the U.S. that’s all you need to know.
The point is that this conflict is being passed by Israel and most of international media as being a "war" when it's basically Israel relentlessly bombing Gaza after one comparatively minor attack from Hamas. There's not a war going on in the real sense of the word because Hamas doesn't have the ability to wage war (hardly a guerrilla war, even), but it looks morally positive for Israel to call it a war.
@@tiagojordao4105 Iron dome has been shooting down Hamas missiles for years. You're infantilizing Hamas so much you won't even acknowledge they're at war. Israel aren't the only ones bombing, and from what I can tell they only target Hamas.
This was a wild debate. Cenk all but openly justified Hamas using human shields.
He was just saying insane shit. One side killed more then the other. So it's okay they are doing this. Like, who thinks like this. One side is supposedly in a prison with little water amd food, but always have money for rockets and weapons. Their leader is chilling in another country living the high life.
Hiding among civilians is standard guerilla war tactics. Do you expect them to just show themselves in the open?
Yeah, it's standard tactics for people using human shields. You operate out of civilian areas in an attempt to prevent the opposition from attacking you for fear of hitting civilians.
Anyone who doesn't understand that Hamas is using civilian deaths because it does more harm to Israel than them is a moron.
@@Nizaar1there is a difference between hiding among the civilians and actively blocking civilians from leaving the city where hamas is hiding.
Hasan called the innocent Israeli babies that were murdered by Hamas terrorists baby settlers. Now Cenk justifying Hamas terrorists using human shields. And both work in the commentary and analysis space... wow.
Cenk "All ancestral land .. I don’t care about your voodoo."
Cenk this is History. Jews ran the area and were kicked out by the Romans. Do you dispute that?
There has never been Palestinians running that area and there were never a people called Palestinian Arabs until the 1960s. This is historical fact, not voodoo.
The Jews arrived therw from eastern europe lol😂
The majority actually migrated from the surrounding arab states, but never mind, you tried.@netaji-thebritishslayer
@netaji-thebritishslayer Where were they before Eastern Europe?
Are you saying there is a limitation on historical links to indigenous rights? If so, what is that limitation? Is that limitation to indigenous rights only subjected to Jews or does that als9o apply to Arabs?
Were the Jews first to the land? No.
Did they have the longest tenure? No.
@@simontrober7487so native Americans have the right to expel Americans?
This Destiny guy is an absolute genius. Never have I witnessed a mind as sharp as his. He just never misses any point, any illogical claim or incorrect statement. He knows more about this conflict and its history than all the experts combined.
Cenk, on the other hand, is miserably unprepared, emotional and easily outbalanced. He just won't think logically. Whenever he realizes his claims are debunked he immediately goes to a defensive and dumb clown mode.
You should check out the Destiny debate with Glenn and Darren. Destiny gets utterly schooled. Keeps pivoting off of horrible stances until he has nowhere left to go but back to arguing things that were already dismantled. Quite educational actually
Cenk is a perfect example that you don't have to be very smart to be successful
Amazing to me that Cenk is running for President. I'd vote for him as President of the Local Highschool, if I was hyper left-wing. That's it.
Biden can form better counterarguments than this guy. SAD, as Trump would say. And this is coming from an alien who would vote Biden over Trump. Cenk... he's just bloody hopeless, and WORSE than hopeless with his antisemitic views.
Yeah....
Depends on your definition of success.🎉
I'm blown away at his stupidity right now...
He's not exactly successful 😅
It's quite impressive how Destiny can just fire off a dozen historical facts with near perfect accuracy in quick succession (names of people, cities, regions, years of events etc). All the months of research from wiki, articles, books and videos really paid off.
Yes. For sure. Destiny would totally crush Cenk if this was a historical argument. Cenk just knows the basic narrative, but NONE of the underlying facts.
BUT he didn't know where Israel was in the map!!! /s
Its all jewish propaganda
Its from wikipedia so it doesn't count. Tiktok is where real historians and political commentators gather their info from.
@@egoncholakianfanI cannot tell if you're joking
LMAO Cenk is terrible at debating. He keeps taking Destiny's points and in plain bad faith is twisting it to sound like a childish complaint. Also the constant "Lawl c'mon seriously?" is so grating.
why is Cenk even given a platform. the dude is inarticulate.
Honestly I think this was one of the best debate performances I have seen from Destiny. Made clear, concise points, and very effectively countered Cenk over and over again on every single issue. This was a steam roll, and Destiny's research and reading clearly showed.
I think the moderator was great and served as a sort of baseline - asking the questions any reasonable person might ask, though I haven't watched every minute or analyzed it in detail. Just felt like a nice, neutrally moderated debate that kept things on track and - in my very biased opinion - let Tiny Dest shine.
Agreed. If this is what Vyvanse does for him, it seems to be helping 💯
Meanwhile - your cowardly Z!onists have killed 10,000 children. Shame on you.
Idk about research as an Israeli I was surprised when destiny managed to defend himself on points he didn't know much off purely off of logical fallacies in the pro palestinian arguments
@@EL-oj6uq Surprised? Like the fact that Z!onists are committing genocide? Or the fact that Z!onists have killed 10,000 children. Shame on the Z!onists.
Destiny you handled Cenk better than anyone I’ve seen. Called him out on “using a funny voice” to cover up his falsehoods and bad faith arguments.
Until Douglas Murray whipped Cenk on Piers Morgan.
@@Nathantodd2012 dream on buddy
Bad faith?, his poin is completely True.
I think you are giving too much credit to cenk. I never heard him say anything good on his show young turks, and any of the debates he has done he was extremly bad and a good example of a propagandist, the worst I have seen cenk do is on pierce Morgan against Douglas Murray.
@@Nathantodd2012 but, he didn't...Murray used exclusively conjecture and ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments..
Cenk exaggerates everything beyond the point of what reality is, i dont get how anyone can listen to him
Cenk gets rolled this debate. Destiny brings all the historical facts and all Cenk has is emotional pleas
Don’t forget red herrings, strawmen and « seriously ?!! »
Biased destiny fans From what I have seen his points are based on reality he is not here to win debates when 25.700 people died its complete nonsense to even defend such a point. If you do then it's fair play for Hamas you can slice it and dice it how you want either both Israël globalist and Hamas are evil or neither.
@@donsq4306 There's nothing to defend. The number you said "25,700 people died" is literally just a number made up by a genocidal terrorist group. There's no reason to believe it. Also, unlike Hamas, Israel goes out of it's way to defend innocent life while Hamas targets innocent life. There's a difference as long as you don't hate Jews
@@donsq4306 Cope and seethe as much as you want, there’s an obvious moral difference between civilian casualties caused by the fact that your target is hiding amongst civilians, and civilian casualties caused by the fact that you’re targeting civilians.
Hamas is the aggressor, hamas’s actions in October have large support in Gaza and in the West Bank, hamas is the one choosing to fling tens of thousands of rockets over to Israel each years, so as sad as those Palestinian lives being lost is, the blame rests squarely on Hamas, not Israel, not when unlike Hamas they actually try and get civilians to get away from hamas’s positions before attacking them.
@@nathanjora7627 I have no horse in this race its Just reality. If Hamas is the agressor you might want to read some zionist history books. Read about some massacres like : Deir yasin massacre
Tantura massacre
Qibya massacre 1953
Kafr Qasim massacre 19567
Bahr el-Baker massacre 1970
Sabre and Shatila massacre
Khalil massacre 1994
Jenin massacre 2002
To name a few come back if you actually have knowledge about the topic crying about Hamas.
This moderator was actually really good and pushed questions to both of them. 10 out of 10 moderator imo.
He did good. I do wonder what de conversation would look like if he would force both, mainly Cenk, to go point by point without pivoting.
Yeah he did a great job in a difficult role.
He let Cenk go on to long near the beginning based on the number of questions and time (specifically Cenk because his points were less focused on the first question although still valid). But other than that agreed
No
Yeah, the mod stepped in and saved Destiny from himself like 2 times.
Cenk- I don't support anything Hamas does
Also Cenk- What was Hamas supposed to do? Not fight back against their oppressors?
Finally a great debate without making it personal! This was great to listen to. Thank you!
🇮🇱 ♥ Am Yisrael Chai 🇮🇱 ❤️
I respect Cenk cause:
1. he's passionate even if he may be wrong
2. at least he's not scared to debate Destiny unlike his himbo nephew lolololol
@@redscar183
nice job misconstruing my comment lolololol
Lololol
@redscar183 UA-cam comments have this weird tend of saying basic shit like "iTs AmAzInG tO hAvE tHeSe TwO oPpOsInG pOsItIoNs." Sure that's true, but it's used as a braindead statement in political debates
@@shadowthehedgehog181
you're literally misrepresenting what that statement means wtf
@@redscar183his heart is in the right place tho
Shout out to the moderator. He stayed cool and collected, and asked good clarifying questions to keep things focused, when at times Destiny and Cenk weren't doing a great job at clarifying eachother's positions
Yes. Eli Hassell did a great job! Amazing work especially for someone this young!
@@danthem2278 oh damn i didnt even realise. I just looked it up now, is he a teenager or something?
@@II-wk8kv Idk, but he looks early 20s...
@@danthem2278 I saw a 2022 article talking about an anti bullying campaigner 'eli hassell' in machester (so almost defo the same guy), saying he was 15 when he formed the organisation 'during lockdown' so the guys probably late teens/20/21ish. Mad props.
@@danthem2278the absolute state of the debate sphere
Im as conservative as they come, i discovered Destiny through conservative channels, and I have developed a huge respect for you my man. What a sharp mind! Rock on brother, subscribed
We’ll save you one day.
@@bigboy2217probably not cause of how condescending you are
@@supaproximalsix2155 You seem pretty sensitive to the lightest possible ribbing that isn’t even directed at you. If you’re gonna be that soft we don’t want you anyway.
1:38:17 - yes, that type of military operation (sending soldiers into enemy tunnels) was widely performed in the Vietnam war. It was a bad idea.
This was easily Destiny's best debate. This is also, imo, the best online debate I have ever seen. Destiny & Cenk were both respectful and not interrupting every 5 seconds, great moderator, and actual thought provoking/ meaningful dialogue. 10/10 debate.
It was very bad for him. He lied repeatedly about objective facts and got called out. He’s being torn apart for this.
@Karlswebb So you can comment that he's lying but can't actually point out the lies? You realize that just makes you look like the one lying right?
@@Karlswebbcan you provide a source where he’s being torn apart or can you demonstrate something he lied about?
@@Karlswebbayo can you just take multiple hours to cite and source everything in a UA-cam comment rq?
@@Karlswebb Agreed. Cenk lied constantly
Listen to destiny folks. He speaks historical truth.
Question: How many Palestinians live in Jerusalem, and why don't they want to leave? How many Jews live in Gaza? None, they would be killed.
Question : how many Jews live in West bank ??
@@striker7625 I don't know. All I know is, I have a close friend who is Palestinian and lives here in the US. She visits Jerusalem to see her family from time to time, and brought back gifts for me and my wife. I have never been there and I asked her if she felt safe in Jerusalem, and she said yes. She is the sweetest girl and we had a conversation about Jews, and to my surprise, she hates them with a passion. She is 25 years old. This traces back to Genesis 16, with Ishmael's descendants that become the Arabic people. Their cultures have been at odds with the Jewish people for millennia. It doesn't seem that it will change any time soon. It's quite interesting to read the Genesis 16 chapter. Its not very long and its obvious why there is conflict.
Destiny's level of patience is impressive
Anything is easy once you let people do the wife i guess
u gotta be a zionist bot bc there's no way
Cenk has plenty of reasonable and accurate criticisms of Israel that anyone attempting to be objective or at least open minded on the matter would agree with, but that intro bit where Cenk's nodding along whilst Destiny criticised Israel and then immediately shake his head and disagree as soon as Hamas and Palestine were criticised just shows an inability to see anything wrong with his side. Cenk isn't a bad guy, but he's so bought in that he's got blinders.
I saw that. Didn't expect much from Cenk.
He is an asshole lol maybe he has some good ideas on certain things but as soon as things dont go his way hes an asshole
He is absolutely a bad guy. There are countless examples over the past 15 years or so of him behaving incredibly unethically, arguing in bad faith, slandering people, misreporting stories in an attempt to cling to his dwindling view counts, and on and on. Your observation of him shaking his head the second Palestine was mentioned was astute and highly accurate. But please, don’t be fooled into thinking he’s “not a bad guy.” He really is. Maybe not the worst person out there. But ethically speaking, he is at least as bad, and as dishonest, as someone like Tucker Carlson.
Being a good person does not prevent somebody von following a terrible ideology. Look at Schindler who was a Nazi but a good person. In the end the question is what are their actions. His actions are not in good faith.
@@therainman7777Nah, Tucker is on another level.
Abbas actually turned down the 99% Olmert offered. 😢
Cenk is really just blind or deaf when it comes to hearing facts and truths. "No, those 19,000 civilians are not dead" - that is not what Destiny said at all. I'm sorry...how can anyone listen or have any kind of respect to anyone who does this kind of crap over and over and over. No matter who he debates, he choses not to listen to any sound argument, truth or facts.
Somebody call Brianna Wu. She's crying rn.
Cenk is gonna be forever haunted by the human shield meme.
Even Brianna knows chucks Israel takes are unhinged. Pretty sure she told him not to do this lol
Destiny: quotes history and references historians.
Cenk: repeats the same 2 points and makes an emotional appeal with a terribly simple analogy.
It’s pretty obvious Cenk isn’t read up on this topic.
Just because you qoute wikipedia refferences doesnt make you right you fool hahahaha.
as a right libertarian this is the first interesting debate on the topic I've actually heard. Piers Morgan did a good job bringing Fink to debate Dershowitz, but this is way more intelligent. Big ups to Cenk and Destiny
It's like Douglas Murray all over again.
Can I say: props to the moderator. I think moderators are at their best not when they're passive or act as a regulatory force to censor the speakers, but when they actually help the conversation along by holding both debators accountable to the points made before, and challenging them. I think this guy from AE did it very well.
Agreed! He's doing an awsome job!
Really? You mean Eli? I'm not sure what to make of his role as a moderator... He seems so lost sometimes.
agreed he did an amazing job, even if debates like this can be staged in a more productive way
The goal of the moderator is to never insert themselves, this guy is doing that which derails the debate.
I don't know why people have this perception that "special forces" are superheroes. Sending special forces into that zone to rescue the hostages with no other supporting elements(ground forces, armor, air support) would be a complete suicide mission.
The same one that thinks that thinks he can be president of the United States 😂
true besides the point those special forces are enforcing the Hannibal doctrine that states leave no hostages alive! civilian or military!
They arent superheroes i agree but cutting off water and food from gaza isnt a way to deter terrorism you actually make civilians more supportive of terrorism. There were reports of hospitals not having enough medicine and water to operate on people. Is that collateral damage? Is there any justification for cutting off water and food to gaza with almost half the population being underage? Also the israeli gov told palestinian civilians to move south and many of them did ,yet they bombed the south as well. When you hear israeli military officials say that they are no innocent people in gaza isnt it sane to assume that they dont care about the civilian population and probably are bombing indiscriminately ?
He doesn't really care, so long as innocent people aren't killed. His calclus appears to be that the winner of a war is the side who killed the least amount of innocent people. That's a factor, when it can be, but if that were the goal, bad actors would use that sentiment against their enemy, and that is exactly what Hamas does. One wonders, did Cenk succumb to Hamas propaganda or does he agree with their strategy?
And spec ops have a ton of info going into a mission. Which they wouldn't have going into underground tunnels that sprawl under the entire city
Cenk and his channel pose some of the most unintelligent things that I have ever seen. Not surprising to see that he literally knows nothing about anything and continues to use buzz words to stumble through points that he has done zero research on.
The debate should have been over the moment destiny agreed that israel is occupying palestinian territory
If you ever feel stupid, just remember Cenk, and instantly feel much better.
Whoa, Destiny just debated Cenk’s nephew’s uncle
LMAO 😂
Cenk gives college freshman arguments while Destiny is giving an adult knowledgeable take. And I don't agree with probably 90% of Destiny's opinions but at least they follow some logic.
Destiny smashed cenk 🎉
This is the greatest debate performance in the history of female debators
and poc
I’m sick and tired of this shit 😊
Debators? Cenk also a girls name?
Strippers these day offer more than you'd expect
Why is everyone referring to destiny as a girl? I'm losing my shit- dude has a beard
Cenk is forgetting that Japan needed to succumb to an unconditional surrender before peace talks could happen.
That's a really good point
facts
Yoo I didn't even realize that
I don't see why Cenk is debating this guy. Prime example of a guy hanging out in his basement all day.
Don’t think I’ve ever been so impressed by Destiny. His power level seems to have no cap.
it's called adderall
@@derpestarzt you’re so original bro holy shit teach me how to be more like you
@@MrPapernumberDGG impossible, u'd need a brain transplant and be heterosexual to be like me.
There's no way this doesn't win Debate of The Year at the Destiny Awards. Especially so close to voting.
Oscar bait debate, deserves the dub
nah, wait for the hasan debate 👀
@@YourService977Definitely oscar bait. The cinematography itself tells us that.
🙄🙄🙄lmao 😂, what ?
@@YourService977where can i watch this? Have watched destiny for years but phased out and getting back into him again
"HAMAS is Not Using Human Shields" as Per Cenk.🤣🤣🤣
@BarrettOp Yeah right as If UN or any of its agency can be trusted. What happened to UNRWA? 🤣
Destiny thinks that Special
Forces are only assassins and doesn’t know they they have Counter-Terrorism Units In Shayeret 13 😭.
As a Veteran this “military tactics” conversation was painful as hell to listen to.
Destiny is logical whist cenk is emotional
I'm not much of a Destiny fan but he made Cenk look like a moron. Granted, that's not hard to do but still. Cenk is insufferable. Why does anyone talk to that man? There are other people that could argue his side so much better lol.
I like how Destiny can actually name international law and UN resolution numbers and actuals dates of when certain important events occurred and all Cenk can do is give an example of a house... Shows the difference between how well researched Destiny is on this topic.
Anyone can with wikipedia
@@maxx_thedragondominator Apparently Cenk cant. There is a saying in sciences that goes along the lines: "Even a monkey could get a PHD if you teached it some lab procedures". Anyone can get the information, almost noone will, kind of the whole point of the comment, Destiny is going farther than most other political commentators, even in traditional media.
Anyone can do that while sitting in front of a computer. Destiny couldn't debate anyone about anything without sitting in front of a computer.
@@user-ot8ex7eo2phim using a computer isn't a slight or make hus arguments any less valid
@@user-ot8ex7eo2p Apparently Cenk can’t
This shit was insane, destiny steam rolled cenk
Cenk fans are saying opposite lol
Yall both biased 😂
@@Bauernade so true, I peeked the comments from this particular debate out of curiosity and the comments from both sides are just the same.
@@Bauernade cenk was saying bs
@@Bauernade lmao i aint gonna deny that
Upon viewing the footage I noticed the guy i agree with was based and the guy I disagree with was cringe
Cenk needs to stop with his theatrical voice nonsense, very Crowderesque, its distracting and undermines anything he has to say that could possibly be useful.
This has opened my eyes a lot , thank you gentlemen
cenk litterally says "im not justifying terrorism" then litterally justifies terrorism. implying they shouldnt bow their heads and fight is saying they should commit terror attacks to get what tehy want in this context
That is not what Cenk said. What he said was that the conditions in which the Palestinians live in in Gaza will naturally lead to radicalisation and violence.
they are resistance not terrorism
oh, i didnt know resistances raped women and put babies in ovens. my bad@@ASSASIN7-sd5sr
@ghostbirdlary This is a similar situation to the Ukraine-Russia conflict. If Russia really had an issue with quote on quote NATO expansion, they would have had their helicopters surrounding the Capitol in Kiev to confront the politicians instead of mutilating civilians. If Palestinians were to solely focus on simply fighting back, they wouldn’t have murdered Israeli civilians. So, there is nuance that Cenk has to understand here.
@@RealJackHQ If Russia cared about NATO expansion, they would make NATO obsolete by not invading their neighbors. If Palestine wants to negotiate with a left-wing Israeli government, they should stop helping far-right nutjobs get elected.
Cenk has much more confidence than he does brains
I wonder how he feels about getting owned by somebody 15 years younger than him.
YOU WISH !! HAVE YOU SEEN HIS FOLLOWKNG ! 5.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS
NICE TRY!!
@@terrancejfry497Cenk has over t million followers. Nice try!! Troll
Trolls
Cenk has over 5 million followers
@@notbornagainbornright5046Trump has more.
Destiny is debating Cenk. Cenk is debating a straw man that lives in his head.
0:7:29 "Build Giant Walls" "it'll keep you safe" Cenk 2024
Having Cenk argue for your side is automatically an own goal.
That's stupid as hell. What matters are the arguments.
LMFAO
Cenk's manner of presenting his thoughts is too black/white. Whenever he does the voice where he pretends he's saying what the other side is "really" saying, it's always a completely 11/10 extreme interpretation, in the baddest faith light. I'm sure it plays well to his audience, probably did to me way back when I followed TYT regularly, but it's extremely grating when you believe or know it's not QUITE so simple.
And Cenk is using HAMAS numbers, which I have to tell you are statistically IMPOSSIBLE given the population increase.
@@AsifIcarebear3exactly, I think he’s good for people new to the left but his worldview is silly, rigid, and sympathetic to corporate talking points -like the crime narratives. Also he uses too many character generalizations for certain groups in his arguments.
Unfortunately the debate ended here, but one thing I wanted to mention about the last point Cenk brought up: Deradicalization of Germany was so effective because the regime was completely extirpated. There was no capability for Nazis to claim that their ideology was superior because their regime had been so utterly destroyed. This was the point of the unconditional surrender war aim. The same thing probably needs to happen to Hamas to lose their credibility.
Comparing Germany with Palestine is a massive fallacy. Palestine is occupied Germany was not. Palestine would be more similar (not exactly) to a Warsaw uprising against Nazi rule. Until you remove occupation there will always be radicalization. To remove occupation you need to remove illegal settler colonization the basic premise of the racist ideology that Israel is based on.
Don't forget to add that Japan surrendered literally after being bombed by nukes and having the Soviets declare war on them right after. They surrendered in full compliance with the postdam declaration
@@Porktoe Technically Japan had already surrendered. They were just in negotiations. They wanted to keep their military so in response we bombed them.
Almost every general wanted a surrender, they couldn't convince their leader in Time and another bomb was dropped.
Definitely a combination of radical denazification, very hard working population, tough ass women „Trümmerfrauen“ that played a vital part in REBUILDING the country from figurative and literal ruins, help from the outside, some former Nazis being implemented in running the system post Nazi era and probably most importantly the willingness of the population to recognize its mistakes and horrors it was a part of and to change. I don’t think the Palestinean population is set to make similar changes, unfortunately. It takes a lot, but it can be achieved.
Tell me how did the nazi escape to when their run is over ? They have been used by th us
how would a 2-state solution become a 1-state?
I disagree with Destiny on the 1948 war. Israel was legitimate and no country had the right to declare war on it for the purpose of destroying it. I would not have fought if I were a Palestinian.
No one makes straw man arguments like Cenk. It's every time he speaks. He can't make a single point without doing it anymore.
He says he doesn't like violent Islam.
He’s done this since the inception of TYT
@@gshrdy5415is there a non violent Islam? Islam itself Is violent even though not all Muslims get their Jihad on. In that religion, apostasy is punishable by death and many Muslims agree with the Quran and muhammad on that point. If that was the only example of Islam being violent (which it by far is not the only example or scripture condoning violence) that would still be enough to truthfully say Islam is a violent religion
Absolutely agree
It's all he ever does.
I like how Destiny cited historical events with dates & people and Cenk just barely seems to know that each event happened.
Fat sweat was arguing with emotions.
I mean cenk named his his show after a Turkish fascist party that committed genocide against Armenians so his whole existence is dumb
@@rafflehsinski6929 😂
100%
It’s highly likely that he’s both barely familiar with titans on the writings revolving around the Israelis and the Arbs,..chiefly, the late Robert Fisk, or Benny Morris,..let alone having read them. 😮It’s somewhat more likely that he’s read bits & pieces of Finkelstein or Chomsky. But,far likelier that he’s simply watched, listened to, or possibly spoken directly with them. Possibly Ilan Pappe or Shlomo Sand, but even that’s quite a bit too much to envisage. Since closing his law text books, he strikes me as being the type who’s read next to nothing since. A middle-aged toddler with the gaming, film, and SMS habits of people less than half his age.
I've been listening to Cenk's thoughts and opinions on this topic. In all honesty, he is in no position to make any statements as somebody other than someone with skin in the game. He is not an impartial member of the press when he talks about this. He really shows his 'dislike for Jewish people and his unchangeable completely personal unfounded based in commonality with the Palestinians' opinion where he selectively ignores the facts of what has happened in Israel since its founding. I used to watch/listen to The Young Turks, and in all honesty I haven't watched a single episode since I heard Cenk's emotional and uneducated opinion of Jews that he's been yelling from his fairly large platform.. all I can think when I hear him speak is shame on you I didn't know you were a bigot.. he has been given a pass for way too long. He is not an objective observer, and is in no position to present a single word about the topic that he says as objective or news because every word that comes out of his mouth about Israel is disingenuous.. at best if I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.. Cenk ought to be ashamed of himself for his small-minded and bigoted opinion that he has towards Israel while asking everybody to not feel that way about people that HE approves of.. evidently unsolicited rape, murder, and torture of innocent people is a okay as long as it's Jewish people that are being tortured murdered kidnapped and gang raped TO DEATH.
The whole Cenk thing only really works if he’s debating himself.
He often takes the opportunity to do that in his downstairs WC - at least he's the smartest person in the room on those occasions
Number 1 rule when debating: shake your head, smile, and say the other person is wrong.
Cenk does not know anything else to do and to say, is worthless
Cenk is the worst debater of all time 😂
when arguments don't work, cenk goes to graphic imagery and visual porn.
Great job Destiny, totally dismantled cenk.
Destiny came with historical facts, dates, names, while Cenk came with the preparation that he did alone in his bathroom against his shampoo bottles.
There is a video by GDF that gives historical facts, names and polling data with way more preparation than Cenk or Destiny did in this video combined. It completely deconstructs the narrative that the Gazan civilians are representative of who they elected (Hamas) let alone that they are at all guilty in this conflict.
Hasan is punching air right now because of this debate happening lmao.
uncle proxy war
Oh no this debate looks awful for everything Hasan has said, I don't think a shallow sense of catharsis would cover it.
Do you think about Hasan a lot?
Anyone who quotes their opponent in a ridiculous voice is obviously losing the debate
Destiny should have more historical debates than cultural debates
Cenk is 53 year old man who talks in silly voices when he starts losing talking points.
Hamas went into Israel with the intention of attacking as many Israeli civilians as they could
If Israel went into Gaza with the same intention, Gaza being a very densely populated small strip of land with millions of people in it, the majority of Gazans would be dead by now
Last time I checked, Hamas was shooting so many missiles indiscriminately towards cities that they actually ended up hitting a hospital in Gaza
Cenks outrage towards Israel is completely in contrast with his very limited outrage towards Hamas, which he always kind of hand waves away and wants to move away from as a topic of discussion as quickly as possible
Probably want their land back don’t you think?
@@979ballin It’s not their land. Jews and Arabs have a right to it.
@@mugflubYou obviously don’t know how the “Jews” got there 🤦🏾♂️
@979ballin Islam has no place in Israel, you want to talk about violence and conquest? Ask the Arabs.
@979ballin it must suck to be told you are the chosen people who received the final word of allah yet everywhere you live in the world is characterized by poverty, violence, and goats. I get why muslims are salty.
I have the impression Cenk unironically didn't know a lot of the stuff Destiny was talking about. Destiny reference all of his talking points to actual history with dates and names, Cenk only did so a couple of times and some of those times he was straight up lying.
Cenk operates solely on narrative, not facts, and will straight up reimagine events and facts as to suit said narrative. While I think everyone to some extent is vulnerable to this effect, Cenk seems to be entirely ruled by it to a degree that I don't think I've seen in any other person
facts
But...But....Israel wants to be left alone in the end. Palestinians like Hamas in the majority. So, by transference, Palestinians like the approach of terror instead of a two state solution. It's a difficult situation, but people defending Palestinians act like the majority of the population there doesn't support terrorism and the destruction of Israel at all costs. This is a fact.
Did Destiny make Cenk look like an amateur? "Of course!!!!!"
Of coooouuursze