Brock Purdy and Patrick Mahomes have most to gain, Shanahan most to lose in SBLVIII | NFL | SPEAK
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- Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, LeSean McCoy and James Jones discuss why Brock Purdy and Patrick Mahomes have the most to gain in Super Bowl LVIII, while Kyle Shanahan has the most to lose.
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Nobody talks about AFC West being the weakest division in Football. That’s the main reason we see the Chiefs contending each year. Wish that division was more competitive, it would be better for the game.
Raiders, Broncos and the Chargers need to step 🆙 there game
Wise man once said "If you have haters you must be doing something right!"
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You just told Mahomes’ story.
Just like Brady, he’s the dude everyone loves to hate because he’s breaking all the records.
Because of Mahomes the QB bar has been set so high, and that’s why people are so reluctant to give Purdy the credit. Winning this Bowl is everything for Purdy’s reputation, Mahomes has already proved himself.
@@KCocteau15 Stop it!! Mahomes is solidified nobody’s hating on his body of work!!!
Purdy's leadership and being a great teammate is one of the underrated aspects to his game. Cant believe he's only 24 years old, he's got maturity beyond his years. Regardless of the outcome of the super bowl, I expect purdy to only get better as his career progresses.
I’m 24 and see the same maturity in me as in him which is why I believe that his legit.
Most to gain is Purdy for sure. Winning your 1st Super Bowl I think is a bigger deal than someone simply adding to a trophy case that has multiple rings in it
Not when that GOAT conversation escalates to a new level.. They both got some equally big to gain from winning
I agree 💯
If 49ers win I just wanna see Nick Wrights reaction and Mental Gymnastics 😅
But if Chiefs win, I also wanna see Taylor Swift Haters freak out😂 win win situation
Who cares about Nick Wrong. Dude has no clue about anything he talks about
@@alexsolo4085when it comes to KC he does
It will be detrimental to Nick if they lose 😂but I don't think they will. Mahomes is gonna do whatever it takes to not lose to a Mr. Irrelevant
Nah
Jesus christ the brock disrespect is disgusting. They really are jealous 😂
Fax. Get the lady out of this show. It's painfully insulting to watch!!
Purdy fans are so soft. Yall gonna be humbled like the Lamar fans were
@@OscarUnratedwhat we got to be cocky about 🤣
... Joy is one of the biggest hater of Brock... she can't stand his good behind...
The biggest 49ers weakness is defense. sure, you have tons of big names, Bosa, Warner, Dre, Randy, Arik , Chase, Kinlaw, but Lions can run 154 yards on you during 1st half, and scored 31 points.
The last td was bs.
Tbf here for the niners, the Lions were arguably the best overall running team in the league because Baltimore tried to build a more varied attack offense for Lamar. But I also think Pacheco and our O-line can take advange of this and our defensive line, minus where ever Trent Williams is, can have a field day game wrecking their Oline
Secondary weak
You are completely right the Niners defense fell off they were not playing like they can, but mark my words the Super Bowl you’re going to see a whole different Niner defense and homes is going to be on the turf in the grass
@@user-yr5cn1zl8s I mean Mahomes and KC played an objectively better 49ers defense in LIV and still ended up winning by double digit points Lol. And you forget that this O-line is far more elite than that one was. And also Mahomes literally just went up against the #1 defense in Baltimore and yes ate a sack but still made magic against it. And also one last dagger in that idea, last year Philly's defense was all time great and Mahomes didn't even get sacked or picked off once against it. Come on now. Niners can totally win this game I'll admit, but it'll be through CMC and that offense rolling not the defense
Why does Joy not want to give the 49ers/Kyle any credit for selecting Brock Purdy? They picked him no one else did, so you Have to give them some credit whether you want to or not, also teams draft according to what they NEED not the best player available, they get they didn’t need a QB which is why Brock wasn’t drafted higher
She gives credit to the scouts and other people in the organization, not Shanahan because Shanahan has more of a hand in later rounds, if he really wanted Purdy they would’ve drafted him earlier
I see both sides of this … like your right they did pick him when no one else did … But I also get if he wasn’t worth taking until the very last pick and you didn’t play him because you moved him ahead of people you played him literally because you had too and no one else was left I get why I’m not really giving you credit for picking him. That’s last being the last picked in a pickup game lmao. Where I think maybe the middle ground is, is more of giving Kyle credit for having him ready when his number was called, developing him, and calling games to his strengths
Joy got no credentials to even be cackling at the table.
@@iamswright1853 no wonder ppl say she’s only famous for her looks and body
Bro he was the last pick. They choose the best player available. He was a pick filler. He wasn’t sought after. Of course he turned out to be a good quarterback now but let’s not act like he was heavily scouted where someone deserves all this credit. Also, Joy holds her own on any show. I’ll take her over a lot of former athletes that are now analyst. Especially over Nick Wright, Jason McIntyre, and Colin Cowherd.
The only position the 49ers need to improve upon currently is the Oline.
For sure 👍 if the niners had a top 5 Oline, there would be no questions who the SB champion and is gonna be
Secondary
@@indachamber83the 49ers secondary contributed (as the main piece) to the 3rd most scoring Defense this year. The O-line with Trent Williams is ranked 22nd.
@@indachamber83
The defensive team is good on the red zone but certainly it can be better
seriously... at our heart we're technically a run-first team... and with a bad O line, too often plays get stuffed before they start.
I don’t listen to any these dudes .. They have been wrong all season long. Well the top two NFL team are playing in the Super Bowl.. And it’s not Dak, Lamar, Goff, Love, Allen, Hurts, Burrows or any of the other team or players they’ve picked all this season..
Exactly as I’ve been saying all year long they’re entertaining but they’re always LOUD and WRONG lol
Jim Jones had solid takes. I'm not sure what you're saying.
James Jones don’t watch the 49ers bc he says Purdy w/CMC has same numbers at JimmyG but won’t acknowledge that with Purdy there the 9ers averaged 10 more points than with JG. That’s two scores
Also his big play throws or tight window throws. Purdy is heads and shoulders above Jittery G
Bruh, that's what brought me to the comments. I LAUGH OUT LOUD WHEN HE SAID THAT. WT!!
@@frandavis1990they still got to the superbowl with jimmy G. If he didn’t miss that throw in the end zone they might of won
@@spenser6353 Goes 50/50 Because Jimmy G Was Jittery Ash In the Pocket Whenever he threw and Seeing that as a fan is concerning, Just go watch any highlights of him Doing Basketball hopsteps before he throws and The Guy Kinda reminded me of a espn model the way he cared more about being a celebrity than a elite caliber QB
Wait where are you getting your numbers from? Jimmy G with CMC has 127 pts in 5 games = 25.4 ppg. BP has 810 pts in 28 games with CMC = 28.9 ppg. That's a difference of 3.5 ppg. Not 10 ppg. And he said similar, but also said Brock's were a little better.
When Sean McVay went out and got Matthew Stafford people fail to acknowledge the fact that he also went out and got Von Miller and Jalen Ramsey and Odell Beckham, Jr. to win a Super Bowl after they left the team reverted back to its old self so this notion of the quarterback won the Super Bowl is so dumb. It was the superstar team that won the Super Bowl with some help from the quarterback, say it, right.
I got plenty examples look at Eli Manning look at Nick Foles case cases and points.
This was immediately what I thought.
Let’s also not forget Stafford did everything he could to lose those playoff games. Between the NFCC and SB alone Stafford could have had 5 picks. Lucky for them other teams kept dropping them.
only issue is brock is only a sophomore and he will only get better. So run it back as long as can. We haven’t seen his best yet
Nobody want to mention Jimmy G went to the SB on Robbie Gould's legs.
“Sober people” had me laughing 😂
I can't wait to laugh at these guys when Purdy asks for a lower contract like Brady early years so he can keep his guys. If you don't think he will then you haven't taken the time to learn WHO he is.
And why would that be anything to laugh at? Lmao genuine question
Nobody talks about AFC West being the weakest division in Football. That’s the main reason we see the Chiefs contending each year. Wish that division was more competitive, it would be better for the game.
Raiders, Broncos and the Chargers need to step 🆙 there game
Every body says cmc is most important player for the 49ers, but nobody wants to say he has anything to prove....ummm, why?
Why would he have to prove anything?
SF should win this time. The talent says so. 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Purdy is a great story , fake analyzes forgot he had a broken arm 💪🏈
I'll add to it, (hypothetically& very possibly) purdy's only 3 games removed from being a 2 time champ in his first 2 years
Story’s don’t win super bowls. Lions were a great story and they are at home.
I'm not talking about him winning the SB , im talking about him playing at an elite level after a major injury and some analysts try to say he's not an mvp candidate.
Acho mentioned two different routes to the Superbowl, but I'm taking the literal and sarcastic approach. One arrived in a state-of-the-art practice facility and the other arrived in a field with miserable and unsafe conditions. On the first day of Super Bowl week, there is already controversy.
no way u think the whiners went to an unsafe one right lmao
That’s the kind of model I use is to get a really good qb and build a great team around him unless you can get a special talent at qb
Purdy strikes me as the type of person to sign a very team friendly long term deal
Love Shady’s energy
They always talk about Purdy if he’d be the same in another team. They say Mahomes would be the same like they have seen it. McCoy keeps saying Andy Reid is the best coach. He is a great coach, but just like Belichick he has a great quarterback. How was he before Mahomes??
If they ditch Purdy and don’t win a Super Bowl the fan base will revolt, big time.
Food for thought, Shanahan is Andy Reid before he had Mahomes!
The Talking Heads say it's because of Coach Kyle the SF 49ers are winning but they all forget, was Coach Kyle winning with Beathard or Mullins or other QBs? NO!!! The Team started winning with Jimmy G and now Brock!!! So the QB makes the system and Team win!!! Coack Kyle is a part of it but not the only part!!! Hopefully Brock and the Team can win this SB and bring home the Chip and maybe they all can Eat Crow!!! The Quest for 6 continues!!!
I think the narritive becomes set in stone for Kyle Shanahan if the Chiefs win this game. That was a great point. Because now it becomes history that Shanahan built one of the most stacked teams in the recent NFL history, with a revolutionary kind of offensive scheme, and that success should have had a Super Bowl win. If they lose Sunday, the narritive becomes, "All that, and they lost to KC and Patrick Mahomes twice" because ive been riding this postseason in KC as a Chiefs fan with the tagline "if you cant beat KC and Patrick Mahomes right now, when will you ever?" And the 49ers are the most fitting end to that story. Maybe the team that has the most vendetta in beating Mahomes because he ripped a 6th championship away from them
Technically the Ravens took number 6 from us first. 2 Big rivals from the past 10 years or so.
Same could be sad about the Harbaugh era when he was the Niners coach…
@@entreri76x that was an interesting comparison because Harbaugh eventually got driven out of San Francisco because he couldn't get it done. He had to win a natty in Michigan to restore some of his prestige to the sport. Shanahan is now in the same trouble.
Y’all see James jones face when shady said sober Rodger’s 3:40
Can't improve? Oline is hot garbage. only person holding it up is trent. trent is 36. The 49er oline been trash since 2019. even the 2019 year was avg. Wilks can go. that's a improvement.
Someone can sneak in and get an SB, but Brock got them there through the regular season and the 1st seed. He could have gotten them there in both years if he didn't get hurt. It's not a fluke. Foles and Flacco didn't carry their teams for the whole season.
The Niners also traded up to 3 overall for a quarterback just a few years ago.
Music fire
Everybody hates on Purdy because their teams spent millions on couch potatoes 🥔
Or maybe he is on a team with 9 all Pro's, a team that went to the Super Bowl with Jimmy G. So how Jimmy G is better than 95% of the league? That was before CMC and all the pieces they added this year.
❗Purdy with the upset ❗
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The Shananhan model is the Ravens model. They've been winning with whoever at QB. They just happen to have Lamar now, but they'd probably still win with somebody else. The fifth most winningest team since 2000. The four teams above them have/had HOF QBs.
Shady saying Mahomes not even 30 yet, not realizing Brady had 3 super bowl wins at that age...
Joy always does it how have Shanahan always been doing this model when he had a great QB in atl he tried to draft rg3 and kurt cousins so what is she talking about john lynch put this team together defense 1st
Our o-line is awful and secondary is weak so you could definitely improve the roster!
Redbox put Blockbuster out of business. Netflix made Redbox irrelevant.
If the Niners lose it’s more likely cuz of defense. It’s overrated and overpaid. D lines has allowed 4.9 yards per rush to GB and 6.3 yards to Detroit. Granted the Chiefs hasn’t got the rushing game of those two teams, but they got Mahomes. I am really iffy about the Niners D.
Shady took his caffeine pills for this episode. I’ve never seen him so fired up
mcc and purdy played together last year
practice snaps the 49ers see purdys value
If your gonna say qb needs changed if they loose the sb the I think dallas and Philly need new qbs then right?
So what they’re saying is , Mike Tomlin should definitely be fired???
How does it pan out when it's time to pay all the players making that average QB look elite
Goofy conversation. Insane how they say the Niners haven't tried to improve the QB position unlike other teams or that the Niners would need to move on from Purdy if he doesn't beat Mahomes in the SB in his first full season starting. Last time I checked, Josh Allen nor Lamar Jackson haven't beaten Mahomes yet in the playoffs, yet they have such standards for a 2nd year QB in his first full year starting that the only way he should keep his job is by beating the most talented QB of this generation. They literally hold Purdy to a standard that no other player lives up to. Make it make sense.
Purdy doesn't have to be paid until next year... Honestly Williams will be gone after next, older guys will restructure there contracts and will draft our find guys to fill there spots. We ain't Dallas 😂
I was coming here to say that. This is not a make it or break it year for Purdy. You can see how much more trust Shanahan has in him than Jimmy G. Anyone still sticking to the Jimmy G also took them to the Super Bowl really isn't paying attention.
Joy coming with some great points in this segment
Sorry boys, he has some work to get that high on the list. Elway did more with less, Manning changed the way QBs called games, Montana won more, Brees had crazy stats and efficiency. Mahomes is only in year 7 and has 2 SBs. He still needs to be good for another 3 years and win a couple more for him to overtake these guys.
If Mahomes wasn’t in this game I would say purdy for sure only reason I say Mahomes have the most to gain is because although purdy is trying to establish himself as elite & pat already done that
A Win will put him one more Super Bowl closer to Brady & keep him on pace in the goat debate
"A Win will put him one more Super Bowl closer to [Montana] & keep him on pace in the [#2] goat deb" -- fixed.
@@435666 of course it would put him closer to Montana also but at this point for the goat title he’s chasing Brady not a Montana of course he have to past him but I’m talking picture
I actually agree with Joy on this one. If Purdy and the Niners win it will be extremely great considering Purdys the last pick how close they have been etc. However if Mahomes wins this can put him above all the Qbs except Montana and Brady and even with Montana you have to start having that conversation about Joe vs Mahomes.
Joe has 4 rings. Mahommes has 2. He's got a ways to go.
@@portee9113 So like I said if he wins it would be 3 to 4. On top of that Mahomes would have way better stats and is a better player than joe was. Your one of those people that thinks rings means everything. So by your logic Eli Manning was better than Dan Marino
Yesterday 49ers fan booing to Andy Reid was like poking the biggest bear out there, now don't cry 49ers when its gonna go crazy
Majority of 49ers team was built through the draft… then they add Trent, ward, cmc, young
3 purdy haters
If purdy wins there’s gonna be questions? He’s literally defied everything they have said. How do they have jobs?
It depends how he wins, 4 TDs sure. On the strength of CMC and that defense he will get paid but there will also be a little side eye if he has off games.
@@enigma13ffif he has an off game they'll lose
@@sumit7064 they won 2 games now where has had an off game lol
@@danieltekest1160 he had an off 1st half not an off game, big difference
@@sumit7064 Well he had back to back off games and the defense step up in both. I don't agree with that statement above.
Acho whole premise is wrong. The 49ers actually HAVE attempted to get the franchise qb by trading for jimmy g and paying him $100M+. That didnt work so they traded THREE 1st round picks for a qb. That tells me they are in fact attempting to get a qb. They lucked into Purdy though.
The Brock Purdy disrespect is why I'm desperately hoping Niners win. I get he's young but the disrespect is egregious.
Are we going to pay Purdy or what might ATl, or Cardinals, or Raiders pay him? Are we tagging him for 45 mil a yr?
Shaggy said it is not about the money or whatever. He quoted JZ . For Brock it is about something bigger than himself. It is about his team which includes the greatest at his position, Trent Williams. Brock's love for his guys go beyond himself and that never can be said about Mahomes or any of his family.
Don’t ever “JZ” it’s Jay, Hov, or Jay Z maybe even 🐐 but don’t ever “JZ” again
Shaggy 😂
Did acho forget hufangas injured?
Big Correction...Jimmy G did not get the niners to the big game in 2020....an excellent running game plan and defense agAINST the packers got the niners to the dance...jimmy had 6 completions from 8 attempts for 77 yards and -1 rushing yards on 4 attempts....BROCK PURDY threw for 25 completions for 267 yards and a passing TD along with 5 rushing attenpts for 48 yarrds..mostly in the 4th....So stop the ridiculous talk..one was the bus driver and one was definetly a passenger...you figure it out
Purdy has literally nothing to lose in this game. Shady saying he has everything to lose because the team won’t be the same is silly. No team is ever exactly the same the following year. SF will change next year regardless of winning or losing the SB. Same with KC. So how does the last pick of the draft have everything to lose after he went and took the starting job on a contender? He already won. People are talking about him getting paid before his 2nd season is over.
Money ain´t everything, it´s the only thing!
16:10 So regardless of how the game plays out, if the 9ers lose, it’s Purdys fault because everyone else is an all pro?? Got it 👌🏾
“Can’t improve the 49ers roster”. 24th ranked O-line and a defense that’s giving up 30 a game and not a single person is putting Aiyuk or Deebo in the top 10 of NFL receiver rankings.
The 9ers cant let the chiefs get no head start like last 2 games or could be over early
People with a lot of money always say that it's about more than the money. Would love to see any of them give up their money and do it just for clout.
You are a 100% right Shady
About Brock Purdy...he will help win that Super bowl..This Sunday Feb 11.2024..
7:50 if they lose do it really mean the model don’t work? If it’s good enough to get you to the Super Bowl twice then it works if they lose then that would mean they lost to Mahomes twice and a Dynasty Team it would be different if they lost to a team that their Cleary better then if they would have lost to Greenbay or even Detriot then she would have a point but not losing to the Chiefs
Actually agree its purdy. You cant make that roster better.
They both got dropped onto great teams
Mahomes has never been on a team as stacked as the 49ers
If Purdy has an above 95 QBR there is literally no way the 49ers lose the superbowl
49ers/Kyle/Purdy have the most to gain therefore the most to lose as well. Mahomes and Reid losing or winning the SB doesn’t really move the needle all that much at this point. Great, but not game changing for them.
If Kyle wins he finally gets credit and praise and proves his style works. If Purdy wins that’s just huge historically on soo many levels. But most notably as Mr Irrelevant. Before Purdy was drafted all Mr Irrelevants combined never played more then 70 snaps in games. I believe no QB drafted in 7th round had even thrown a pass in NFL games before. If he comes in as last pick of draft and leads his team to a SuperBowl victory in only his 2nd year while having an MVP caliber year. That rewrites soo many narratives and outlooks going forward.
Business up top and Sensei below!
It's funny how now it's Jimmy g got you to this game but in real time it was the run offense 😂😂😂
Imo it’s easy to say money ain’t everything when you already got a lot of it. Brock has to have a roommate due to his contract and taxes
Acho is totally wrong…that’s not Kyle Shanahan’s model that’s a model he stole from his Father Mike Shanahan…who stole his model from the ‘93 FSU Offensive Coordinator Brad Scott who they watched when they figured out how to get Steve Young a win over Dallas in ‘94
Does no one realize that ALL the quarterbacks had to start somewhere? 1st round picks fail more often than not, maybe Purdy will be the next Pat Mahomes
Where the heck are they coming from saying Kyle doesn't care to upgrade the qb position and have a great qb. He is constantly trying to upgrade there. It's why we first signed Jimmy, then drafted Trey, then went with Brock and tried to get Brady. No QB is safe with coach Kyle. This is just dumb. Yes having a cheap starting qb has allowed us to pay other players and also look how cheap our line is compared to other teams with the exception of Trent of course.
Exactly. And then they mentioned the Lions had Jared Goff who was the number #1 pick, but forgot that Matt Ryan was the 3rd pick. So it’s not get a decent QB and put great players around him
They overhyped the all pros like Mc Duffield and Sneed are the best cb duo in the league , Pacheco is nice , mahomes is the goat kelce might be goat TE , Andy Reid top 10 coach all time like chiefs o line is very good like doesn't matter bout the all pros the match up is equal the players are very similar the only gap is cmc and Pacheco as far as talent tbh cuz chiefs o line is better , there defense is better the coach is better qb is better the onky difference is niners have better players but chiefs are playing more complete
Yeah the 49ers have all the superstars but they dont have the ultimate competitor.
OMG So the saying is that if Purdy doesn't win now, he'll fall back to Garoppolo's level? This is simply ridiculous. They want to compare the performance of a second-year QB (as a first-year starter) with a QB who has been in the league since 2014 and clearly belongs to the game manager category. Coming off the bench last year, Purdy wins pretty much consistently except when he has a concussion or tears his UCL, breaks the all time 9ers season passing record in his second year and the saying goes if he doesn't win a Superbowl, he's a Garoppolo level QB. All this is said by an expert, a former NFL player, completely seriously in one of the most watched NFL shows. It's just PATHETIC🥴!
Niners offense is loaded. Plug in any backup QBs active in the NFL and they still make the Superbowl.
I mean it would be 1-1… it wouldnt prove Shanahans system… i mean how many avg joe QBs win SB… dilfer, brad johnson… who else? And that was 20 years ago
I guess Eli, and he beat the Goat twice
The ones that are built around a dynasty, Joe Montana for instance
Shanahan is not on the field he needs to stay aggressive though as far as his record against Andy Reed Purdy has already broken 2 of those 0 win stats it's a new year
Brady had 3 superbowls before he was 30
Don’t forget Purdy was never the 49ers guy Trey Lance was drafted to be the guy They traded 3 first round picks for him Brock just so happened to be the one so imagine what the 49ers could be if they used those 3 picks instead of trading them
49ers can't improve on the offensive line???😂😂😂
When jimmy g had cmc they still weren’t as good as Purdy has been they clearly didn’t watch the niners or pay attention we went from the 15th ranked offense with jimmy g to top 5 with Brock that’s not even close to the same
Why is Shady such a Purdy hater.
He need to go worry about Jalen being bum 😂
You likely have money or making a lot if you’re saying it’s not about the money.
Quit criticizing these players and coaches let ‘em play ,,, they play you watch!!! Sports analyst are politicians!!!!
Have u ever seen anyone defend Lamar the way they defend Purdy and he done more with less ain’t that a bih… What a shame everyone acting like having a team means nothing I like it tho we gon keep that energy on everyone and trust it’s gon fire back badly
First if they win it will be because they have talent but if they lose it will be on him smh.
If Purdy loses, is NOT like it was with Jimmy G, this is Purdy's second season! With ALL the room to grow!
Yes, he will be paid, but will not ask the best QB deal ever, he knows is not about him being the last coke in the desert, he will take good pay to keep the most weapons Niners can keep.
What if they lose because Wilks can't stop the Chiefs with all those names? or Kyle has a bad calling game (which has happened before)?
If Purdy wins, this convo is pointless.
Shanahan has the most to loose, and the most to gain Joy
Incorrect James Niners been to the afc 4 of the last 5 years 1 off from Patty. The difference is winning