The New Bruce Lee Biopic and Wong Jack Man
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- How will Ang Lee treat Bruce Lee's most significant opponent; the man who caused Bruce to rethink his whole fighting style.
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Shannon Lee is producing so get ready for the Lee mythology to continue
One thing that almost never gets brought up in regards to the supposed "cause" of the fight is T.Y. Wong's 1961 book on Chinese martial arts, which clearly shows him in photos instructing a white San Francisco police officer by the name of Erle Maddox.
If that San Francisco Chinese martial arts community truly wanted to keep the Chinese martial arts a "secret" from "foreign devils," the last thing that one of the heads of that community would do would be to author a book, in English(!), and to show white students learning kung fu.
James Yimm Lee was involved in that book and yes, he would later become a close friend of Bruce's.
You are Absolutely right my friend! Thank you for exposing the false narrative that has been perpetuated for decades. Many years ago, I had asked both Bruce Lee’s mother, Grace Lee, and Bruce’s older sister, Phoebe Lee, whether they held any animosity towards Master Wong Jack Man for his legendary fight with Bruce. Neither said they did and accepted the reason for the fight as merely a challenge between two great masters.
💯If they were bitter lifelong enemies I doubt Wong Sifu would have sent flowers to Bruce Lee's funeral.
I am agreeing and with my friend Randy Wong and you about the open challenge from Bruce Lee, and that it was not about Bruce teaching qwailows. As mentioned in the separate comment above, I highly recommend San Francisco journalist and author Charles Russo's book: "Striking Distance: Bruce Lee and the Dawn of Martial Arts in America" and his podcast in which Shannon Lee interviews him about the challenge and match.
Neither were masters then. Wasn't really a great fight either.
@@cuzz63says someone who wasn't even there.haha.
@@dougwethington8339 says the people who were actually present...have you not listened to any of the interviews or done any actual research. Do you not have any self awareness to use that argument.
Regardless of the circumstances and outcome of the fight we now know one thing for certain, that stuff like what Wong Jack Man practices are definitely bull shit.
Great Video, I wanted to say that you are correct about the story about why the fight took place. I have friends that were taught by Bruce Lee Students. I met people who met Bruce Lee and I can say that you are telling the truth here. However, my issue always been about the fight. There is a Book about all of Bruce Lee fights it's called Wrath of the Dragon by John Little. I strongly recommend it to anyone. Thanks for posting this.
I've read it, great book. It took some guts and much love for John Little to come up with it.
Unfortunately John Little either does not know the truth or is repeating more Lee mythology. For example, the Lee/Wong Jack Man fight ended in a draw. He said Lee won..UNTRUE
@@johnreidy2804 I am sorry to tell you but Wong Jack man didn't win the fight. I know people who knew Bruce Lee and who knew Wong Jack man didn't win. Listen don't get me wrong Bruce Lee wasn't invincible but he wasn't a push over either and he is not here to defend himself from people that said they beat him or they taught him. Just to make themselves a name. The man is gone.
@@luisvelazquez5420 Don't take it up with me friend. Read the book "Showdown in Oakland." It was written by one on of the 11 witnesses to the fight.
He said and I quote, "It was a long and boring fight with each man attempting to escape the others blows." In the end they both stopped and called it a draw."
So...He was there you and I were not, nor was Linda Lee.
As for talking about a dead man, well he was a public figure so fair game to write a book about him right?
End of story for me
@@johnreidy2804 I heard about that book and Linda was there and James Lee was there. The man that arranged the fight admitted to the publisher of Black Belt Magazine that Bruce Lee had won the fight. Lee Fong received a phone call from Bruce Lee and told him about the fight.
good stuff, balanced and fair. I can tell you're telling the truth and are matter of factual which is rare nowadays. Bruce was a movie star it's practically a given he got some side play in Asia on the down low. He prob had chicks throwing themselves at that time.
What took you so long to bring this up
Black Belt Magazine interviewed Bruce Lee on the fight what did they have to say?
To be honest this is really complex. Shannon and Danny’s daughter are ready good friends despite the suing allegations against him by Linda. And who knows about the rumours about Shanon suing her own uncle over his film about Bruce. And I listening to both sides concerning the fight between Wong and Bruce , I just don’t know.
Ashley, are you a student of Wongy?
@@skipskiperton4992 no
They've been saying that for years.
I'm sure it's cancelled.
The other teachers may have taught whites but it doesn't mean that they taught them any secrets but basic martial arts, defense/offense and found out or had suspicion that Bruce was teaching them then yea I think it would spark up concern in the Chinese community which very well could've been the reason the fight went down. And i think it did happen as fast as the way Linda said it did causing Wong wanting a rematch because of his ego being broken so quickly but Bruce already getting an 'Ok' to keep teaching what he's teaching and who he's teaching it to, he just went forward and didn't look back.
"Secrets?" If Bruce had any secrets to teach, they were what made a combat sports athlete effective and that's no more "secret" than what you would find in a boxer, a Savate competitor, or a Muay Thai fighter of that time period.
Conditioning, experience, timing, broken rhythm, explosiveness, those sorts of concepts.
You must have seen what happened when masters with "secret" training in China took on Xiu Xiao Dong.
You must have seen that 1954 charity fight between two "masters" (I am sure they had "secret" training, too.)
In case you haven't seen it, here's the kind of "secrets" that they attempted to use on each other, in that match.
m.ua-cam.com/video/QzS_5tjvki4/v-deo.html
When Chinese martial arts "secrets" are mentioned, it sounds like the plot device in a Shaw Brothers movie. I say that without sarcasm. That's exactly what it reads like, "secret techniques" popularized in martial arts fiction, but when pressure tested, bears little in the way of results.
It actually sounds like the sort of thing that Bruce himself doubted in his writings for Black Belt magazine in the 1960s.
I'm not doubting that Bruce Lee dominated and won against Wong Jack Man, for the same reasons why today's traditional martial arts masters usually get knocked out when they attempt to take on a combat sports athlete.
But the cause of the fight is what is in doubt, in light of evidence, such as photographs of those San Francisco masters teaching white students in the late 1950s and early 1960s, prior to Bruce Lee.
Most people who research are in agreement that the actual cause of the conflict can be traced to The Sun Sing Theater in 1964, during the tour of actress Diana Chang Chun Wen, Bruce's demo during the intermission of the show after serving as her cha-cha dance partner on stage, and an audience member named David Chin.
Your sifu and you fan boys are full of crap since he lied about the fight. The fact is even David Chin, the instigator, confirmed your sifu got beat and gave up after three minutes, even though both he and you fan boys lied through your teeth claiming the fight lasted nearly 20 minutes.
Even if you are correct than that would be Bruce Lee's deciding factor to break away from traditional martial arts and take from all mastering your own unique self expression of martial combat discarding what's completely useless and ineffective to you. Who cares if Bruce Lee lost a fight or not. What's the point of you and fanboys arguing over a dead man in which you never witnessed yourself on a daily basis. Real fighters fight. They eat breathe and sleep on a daily basis what makes a fighter a fighter. Bruce learned the cause of his ignorance by exploring and adapting to physical combat. Even through defeat he learned from his mistakes studying his movements and his opponents. Bruce sparred alot. He took a scientific approach to not only himself and the world around him but fighting just as well. If he were alive and younger and had a chance to explore fighting as it is today, I'm sure His own personal expression of JKD would have much more to offer than it aspired to in its earlier stages and people like you would still be a side line hater while still being put in shock and awe by a small Chinese man just as the world was when Bruce was still around. You are like the stuntman who tried Bruce over and over telling Bruce you don't know how to fight, you are only an actor. Then things happen so fast and Bruce says, not bad for an "actor huh?" Bet you didn't know Two of Muhammad Ali's bodyguards were students of Bruce Lee. One or both he sparred with. Just like Kickboxer Joe Lewis said... He is just so fast I can't do anything with him. Joe Lewis was a heavyweight kickboxer but started point fighting. Bruce talked him into full contact just as he always advocated anyway. I have heard nothing but great things from especially his students. I think Bruce's true credibility of his fighting ability lies with them since they not only were his students but they even got to witness fights that were not even documented and some that were. This really doesn't matter one way or the other. Hope you have a wonderful Christmas
Bruce did mention wong Jack man by name publicly. It was a different time and a different world and the majority of today's martial arts world don't know or care who wong jack man was.
You talking about when he called him the "kung fu cat"?
@tctrumbo Bruce did an interview where he mentioned him by name, but I don't remember who did the interview. I'm 54, and I'm been following Bruce since I was a kid, so I know all this history, but it's not revelant anymore.
@@ArmandoAlejandro2014 If you can find that interview I would love to see it. As far as I know it doesn't exist. He never once said the name Wong Jack Man in a public interview. Also, I would argue that it is relevant since Ang Lee is set to release a new Bruce Lee biopic that will surely feature this fight.
@@phoenixmountaini don't think people will care about wong jack man since he's not revelant. So the new film won't make a difference. When I have some time I'll look for the video.
If you showed the video it would have been created by AI because it doesn't exist. He only uttered his name to people close to him.
I have heard different versions of this story as well, I knew it from the start something isn't right about this story, people started believing Linda Lee when she published that book in 1974. In few of my documentaries certain people have said no one won that fight, it was a draw , it's true why take on one sided story all these years, it's all coming from Linda, Shannon, and their friends that Bruce beat Wong Jack man.I did felt sympathy for Wong because all these years no one actually interviewed him or tell his side of the story.
Lol Wong Jackman didn't even come forward about it for himself right. 2+2=4
Terrible take!! Bruce criticized traditional King Fu but did not trash it. Bruce also actively learned traditional Kung Fu from guys like Grand Sifu Fook Yueng.
About the fight,
It's all because Bruce trashed talk about traditional Kung fu.
But anyway,
Nothing matters anymore,
Kung Fu is useless in a real fight.
I have read so many different versions regarding the fight. Personally I do not believe any one of them.
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Wong Jackman didn't do anything to bruce but run
Were you there?
@@DarrinKemp-lr1cz look no matter what you say Darrin Bruce Lee was the best martial artist in the world in his time. now I don't know why all you younger generation Don't get that when your phone or elders will tell you the same thing he was beyond his years. No I wasn't there but his wife was and this is her witnessing
@@user-ho7kd6gf9u hero worship. You sound like a cultist. Bruce Lee was a great martial artist yes. However, he is not jesus christ I worship no man.
@@user-ho7kd6gf9u I'm 58 years old so I dont know what younger generation you think I belong to. I became a martial artist because of Bruce Lee. How ever most of the accounts were written by people who needed Bruce to be the hero. I would prefer to have an ugly truth over a beautiful lie every time . I dont need made up stories. Do you not understand that fables diminish Bruce's greatness?
@@DarrinKemp-lr1cz then find your Truth the whole world knows
This guy is clearly a fan of jack man Wong.he even looks like him.he is trying hard to convince us that jack man wong didn't lose.😂😂😂😂now try again
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Bruce Lee was very very good, but not good at all at living his life. Wong Jackman had his head together much more than Bruce Lee. Wong Jack man won at life. Unfortunately for Bruce Lee, he didn't win his life.
I'm going to say it one more time, how is Linda story, and you are not you was not there, 😔 what makes your truth a fact, 🤬 just because you are a student, and I'm not saying he didn't get Bruce Lee a good fight, what I'm saying you and what else keep coming up talking a lot of junk you're going something someone else said to