Rickson elects his toughest roll ever
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2021
- The other day at Rickson Academy, a jiu-jitsu student seized the opportunity during an "ask me anything" session to clear up one of the most persistent questions about Rickson's career.
Who had been, in Rickson's own opinion, the toughest guy he had ever trained with? Before answering the question posed by our friend Sergio, Rickson displayed a slight smile, perhaps nostalgic, and said: "I felt the roll was going to be a nightmare from the first instant."
The man elected by Rickson as one of his most memorable opponents may be a surprise. After all, we're talking over 50 years of training, and the name does not belong to a jiu-jitsu teacher. Rather, it's an Olympic champion, record holder and UFC veteran.
"I've had many training sessions and valiant opponents, many guys that I consider tough, of course. But if I have to choose one here from memory, I point to the Olympic wrestler Mark Schultz."
Mark Schultz is an American legend, a champion at the 1982 Olympics (freestyle wrestling, 82kg), who fought in the UFC and whose life became a movie.
The historic roll between Rickson and Schultz took place in 1993, when Rickson was in Utah and visited Brigham Young University, where Schultz was head coach.
"Mark Schultz wasn't familiar with jiu-jitsu techniques, but soon I saw that the roll was going to be a nightmare from the first instant," Rickson said. "It was a really tough roll. I knew he was a guy with a huge heart, very tough. And even when I was able to execute some of my jiu-jitsu moves against him, even so I felt that my life was hanging by a thread. To this day I have lots of respect for him. It was an extremely tough roll, but in the end jiu-jitsu prevailed."
How about you? What did you learn from the toughest roll of your life? Let us know.
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If you listen to Mark talk about this, he says Rickson is his toughest roll ever, too. He was so impressed by Rickson that he went and enrolled in jiu jitsu classes so that he could learn Rickson's art.
I almost shit myself when he said Mark Hunt😂
Hunt's been holding back all this time lol
Super Samoan was no slouch yknow
@@benbray4982 One of my favorites of all time and absolutely no slouch, but we’re talking about Rickson’s tough rolls. I was more excited that Mark Hunt’s name is so close on Rickson’s radar😃
@@DannyAmerican I was wondering for a second if he actually tried to fight him. Would explain a few Injuries
Lol Mark Hunt is scary too. He's punching power would send you straight to heaven
oh, I read about this fight in Mark Schultz book!, it's the book behind the movie "Foxcatcher", the book is really good, but sad, because Mark talks about his brother, who was murdered. Mark was coaching in Utah and someone told him if he wanted to fight Rickson, and Mark said, yes I'll fight him, at the moment he was only aware that BJJ "was more or less like judo, and the only thing he knew about judo was to tuck his elbows, as he had done some sparring with the olympic judo team at some point", Mark said he saw some wrestlers laughing in the bleachers, so he was prepared to go and kick some ass, but his head was "foggy from the lack of oxygen to his brain after so many chokes by Rickson!", so he said "I want to learn this", ♥♥♥awesome athletes!
I was fortunate enough to take a seminar from Mark Schultz in high school in 2008. Mark said he held Rickson in a cradle for a long time, but eventually Rickson escaped and put him in a triangle. Mark is one of the greatest grapplers of all time. Would have been amazing to see that roll.
I think if Mark had had more submission grappling back then he probably would have been able to transition from the cradle position.
If he would have had training like Sakuraba did from Wigan Catch Wrestler Billy Robinson as did Judo Gene Le Bell did too from Karl Gotch who was also a Wigan Catch Wrestler.
@@christopherdouglas4375 What’s amazing is that someone of Rickson’s size was able to survive and submit Schultz. Schultz is no doubt the greater physical specimen.
True but i wonder how dave Shultz would have done? Rip dave and rolls gracie to great grapplers legends 🙏🔥
which proves realy that mark reslly won he held him in a cradle for 20 mins in reality he could knee the fuck out of him and finish 0
A fight against Alexander Karelin would be a totally different beast to roll with
I heard about this on Chael Sonnen’s podcast. The feeling is mutual on Mark’s side. Apparently he held Rickson in a cradle for 30 minutes, Rickson stayed calm and eventually escaped and immediately submitted him. Wish I could see it on video!
Yeah I just saw an interview with Mark and he says exactly what you said. Mark did start training Jiu- Jitsu and says he modeled his game to be as much like Rickson as he could. Love this story of mutual respect
but imagine if you could mix in striking rickson would be. screwed from. that position
@@rawstrife9762 cradle you need two hands so he couldn’t have struck. As soon as Mark couldn’t hold on Rickson escaped.
@@rawstrife9762 Mark told this story on a podcast just recently. He highly respects Rickson and started training Jiu-Jitsu soon after their meeting. Mark said he tried to model his Jiu-Jitsu after Rickson’s style as much as he could.
@@rawstrife9762 spot on. Of course “jiu jitsu” prevailed in a timeless bjj session 😂. Striking would have changed things dramatically. A wrestler of a high level only needs to learn very basic bjj skills to keep from getting submitted while still controlling the action on the ground. The thing is, bjj is far superior for a lighter man who has to face an opponent that outweighs and overpowers him, which is what it was truly intended for. This is why bjj tends to prevail when all things are equal, but the intensive training in wrestling usually ensures that physicality between the two is rarely equal
That is one roll I would have love to witness. Two masters of their respected styles going at it
It's on the Gracie In action tapes.
Sounds like it was a very boring match. One just held for 30 minutes then got sub instantly after the 30
@@skydaddy2426 exactly, it was 1 takedown, then stalemate for 20 minutes(with 0 scrambling), then finally easy submission of a clueless exhausted wrestler.
Mark said Rickson is the best grappler of all time, maybe to this day, and he copied his style for MMA. Mad respect to both of those guys, two animals.
RIP Dave Shultz.
@@smoke6721 When they were younger. If you watch footage of them training once they were grown, it was a pretty even match and Rickson was getting better.
I trained at IJJ, which is a Rolls lineage, so I'm biased to Rolls, but in reality I don't think he could have handled a prime Rickson.
@@smoke6721 actually Rolls Gracie was Rickson’s cousin (Helio’s nephew)
That's an honest assessment. Mark said he's proud to have impressed Rickson that much.
I thought he was going to say me during a seminar back in 1992 in Chicago since I was the last one he spared that day. Then I remembered I was the last one to get chocked by Master Rickson with a lapel choke.😂🤣😂
Respect
Nah, it was probably me. I learned from watch pro wrarsslin' in the 80s. I used Jake the Snake's DDT and almost KO'd Rickson. Then I had him in the figure-4 leglock for a while. Finally he escaped and arm barred me like 2 hours later. But in truth I was just bored. Like PeeWee Herman said "I meant to" let him get that submission.
LOL cool. Wish I had the chance to roll or get a lesson or two from him.
Wow I never would have guessed, I was thinking Mark Kerr right away but thats pretty awesome. Talk about two masters going at it.
I roll with freestyle wrestlers in my gym and they are tough. The intensity they throw at you is incredible. We can learn a lot from them.
What have you learn ? My gym doesn't have them how would you roll with them
@@Kevin-ll5vu You learn to be dominant, more aggressive, better cardio, and overall toughness. Often times BJJ is passive and a wrestler will run circles around me. I had to develop a better guard and how to better control them when I have a top position. I still have hard time with them.
@@Kevin-ll5vu In my experience you have to attack at least two things at once at all times. They have tremendous "physical intuition" and can counter things that they don't fully understand by putting 100% of their effort into stopping whatever is happening - this makes them a nightmare on top, but if you attack multiple things at once they may leave themselves open to something. Also countering their cardio and general intensity is great practice.
We have one out our gym just a rock solid muscular kind of guy. Thankfully he focuses more on bjj technique and doesn't pound the shit out of you every roll which he could if he wanted to.
As someone who has made the transition from wrestling to jits, the mentality and really the goal is just different. Wrestling is about scoring points and dominating your opponent on the mat. So you have to be aggressive and constantly attack, move your opponent to create vulnerabilities in their defense. This is why most wrestlers have pretty great cardio. Jits is maybe a bit more passive.
As for the mentality, my first jits practice I rolled with one of the newer blue belts. At a certain point we banged heads pretty hard, hard enough that I saw stars and maybe stumbled a bit. He stopped everything to make sure I was okay and I was so confused. In wrestling, even in practice, he would have made me pay for losing my position.
It's pretty awesome for Rickson to say this about Mark Schultz. If you think about it, both Mark and Rickson trained and competed for years and years before their meeting. Both guys, through the process of training and competition, fought their way to the TOP of their respective disciplines. It only makes sense that when these two grappled, they both felt each others skill, power, technique and pressure. On paper, BOTH were (and some say are) the BEST of their sports. It was proven through the crucible of competition and pressure situations. Over and over. For years. It would have been so awesome to see either one of these guys compete more in Modern MMA. If only.
Mark Schultz is a fucking beast
Listening to rickson and his teaching method this a man who can be called master!
Mark Shultz fought Gary Goodridge with no notice and beat the brakes off him. That goes beyond tough. That right there is insanity. That Gracie was able to tap Shultz out is outright terrifying.
Mark didn't know any submission offense or defense at the time. Of course an expert in submission grappling, someone who is an equivalent elite in his respective sport, is going to be able to finish him. Mark is the better athlete, and given equivalent submission wrestling experience and skill, he should be able to beat Rickson.
@@Sunyayana True, but when given the fact that both are elite in their respective sport along with the fact that it's been typically stated that it isn't the style of fighting that wins bouts, but rather the individual and their respective skill level, it's still impressive. Not to mention that wrestlers in general are much stronger than most others. Couple this with the fact that Mark is world class and it says a lot about what a much smaller man, who isn't near as strong, did against someone of Mark's stature. I will agree that BJJ was still relatively unknown, but for that time it's still impressive. Moving forward I also recall Matt Hughes beating the hell out of Royce once MMA had developed, but that's another conversation altogether. Peace....
@@tortillasarenotbiceps7622 You definitely raised some good points here. I had forgotten about the weight differential as well. Anyways, both Rickson and Schulz are savages in their own rights.
It would have been so interesting to send someone like Schulz to Dagestan or Cechnya to learn Combat Sambo and their complete grappling styles. Imagine how scary he would be on the ground.
Cheers!
@@Sunyayana I'm a 45 year weight trainer who's quite strong, I say humbly, and Ive locked horns, in a fun way, with a wrestler. It's scary how strong these guys are. Their joints, tendons and ligaments are super strong. Top that off with the fact that they know leverage, ergonomics and physics better than most and it's really intimidating. I'm strong pushing steel, but these dudes can throw you around like a rag doll regardless. LOL!
Anywho, be good and thanks for the chat.
@@tortillasarenotbiceps7622 they have a different kind of strength. Static strength and crushing strength is something you won't really emulate well in the weight room. I'm sure you could lift considerably heavier than most of them. It's just you don't have strength at the point they have loads.
What a humble human beeing Rickson Gracie is. Rolemodel in sport and in life.
Love your respect 🙏 Master Rickson! Much love from England!
Hello Rikson. Thank-you for your book. It was good to hear your story
E SEMPRE UN ONORE E UN GRANDE GRAZIE PER LA SUA DISPONIBILITA
TANTI AUGURONI DI BUONE FESTE
E DI BUON ANNO NUOVO E SEMPRE UN SALUTO CON RISPETTO GRAN MASTER
Wow. 2 legends.
Legend 🙏
Amazing 🙏
True legend!
Dang! Would love to watch those rolls!
Rickson is Awesome! I modeled my style after him. Nothing but the highest respect.
After watching the movie "Choke", it's Rickson Gracie for me. A very close tie would be Georges St. Pierre!
Legendary
This came up in suggestions and I was skeptical about being Rick rolld and its good to know I didn't get got.
I have a freestyle wrestling background and am now training Gracie juijitsu. And I love it!
Great combination!
You're going to be a beast!
Respect
In
Peace
The GOAT hands down
Legend
Brilliant ☺️❤️👍🏻
Master 🙏
Respect
Tell you what not anyone can do that to mark shulzt. Sir you are great rickson!
Allways inspiring! Thank you Master... BTW,.. "Liked' & Suscribed"..
The Master ❤
Here is mark talking about the roll ua-cam.com/video/fNOgJoiX35s/v-deo.html
JIU JITSU PREVAILED
I think this lead Mark to train under Pedro Sauer and eventually obtain his black belt.
Look at Pedro's health history after this. His training with Mark was brutal.
@@Combatinho so it was Mark that fucked Pedro up?
Mark gave himself a black belt and said if anyone had a problem with it, they could come take it from him
@AvadaVendetta yep, and he told his philosophy to Chael, who has a great story about it. Chael (while in college) declared himself a black belt and showed up at a bjj club to spar. He then proceeded to get himself tapped out a dozen times in short order by some purple belts who studied under MacKenzie Dern's dad. Chael learned that to declare yourself a black belt Mark Schultz style, you actually have to be Mark Schultz.
wish there was video on that match
Mestrãoo começa a por legenda por favor. Pra quem não domina o inglês ter uma compreensão melhor do conteúdo. Mestre dos mestres
Heard Mark talk about this on the Lytesout podcast, great story
Wow from lips of the GOAT himself. I think part of Rickson being so badass is his willingness to embrace vulnerability and still follow through and be victorious. In his fighting and in his life. 🤙🏾
Rickson Gracie vs. Kazushi Sakuraba was my dream fight.
Solid choice. Schultz stepped into the UFC with no notice and smashed. Tough guy.
MARK SCHULTZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Before watching I figur d he would say Schultz.
Rickson, did you video your training with Mark Schulz? If so, we would love to see it.
Tell us about rolling with Shembri!
Very very surprised he didn’t say Sergio Penha.
Imagine dave schulz and rickson rolling. Omg what a robbery to the human race
I’m glad he didn’t name a lowland gorilla, everyone knows Rickson subbed him by armbar
Mark talking about it: ua-cam.com/video/04w5JQs-DvY/v-deo.html
This is only because he ain't never rolled with me
I was sure he was going to say it was TruthHurts 18. Can't believe he didn't.
thats the first time I've ever seen rickson laugh....
It seems that u never watched CHOKE
I wonder if Mark and Rickson knew who each other were.
Mark trained his BJJ with Rickson black belt, Pedro Sauer for many years. Also plenty with Walt Bayless.
Truth is always so very ….
Eric Paulson
mark went on to get a black belt after that.
Wow
What about Rolls Gracie?
what crazy to think about is that mark had a brother david who was even better than him in wrestling. he passed years ago but i can only imagine Dave (Marks brother) would’ve been amazing if he transitioned to MMA like his brother did
Marcelo Behring
Mark Hunt ohhh… wait not Hunt. Oh sorry Hunt. You can sit down now. Mark Schultz.
Sakuraba
Of course it’s Mark Schultz
💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
So jiu jitsu prevailed in a a jiu jitsu match? Wonder who would have prevailed in a wrestling match?
I was waiting for the Master to say his wife ! She pulls out the Jandel !
Always loved Rickson growing up. But jiu-jitsu prevailed? Under jiu-jitsu rules you’d damn well hope so…
Love it or hate it, jiu jitsu rules are more realistic than wrestling
@@SteveSimi you ever been pinned? It's the most horrible pain in the world. Just kidding pins are stupid.
Look at royce vs Severn. Strict art forms, Jiu Jitsu wins. Cross training however, Wrestling background is better
It was submission (i Quit) rules and Schultz quit according to the rules they agreed to.
None of you guys seem to get it… under jiu-jitsu rules it would be damn embarrassing if Rickson (or Gordon or Roger) didn’t beat a pure wrestler. Obviously under wrestling rules no need to debate… and under MMA rules- a pure bjj guy vs a pure wrestler (so let’s say a Miyao brother vs a gold medalist wrestler at the same weight- it’s either bjj by sub or wrestler by GnP).
Rickson by armbar.
What about shakiraba
Jiu-jitsu Prevailed.................
NUFF SAID love and respect un abrazo fuerte de Quetzaltenango Guatemala
Well it was in jiu-jitsu so of course
I bet it is rolling to get out of bed now...
When people talk about who the best wrestler ever in MMA was, it is Mark Schultz. It's not even close. If someone tells you otherwise, they don't know as much about wrestling as they are pretending to know.
Me.
Imagine if Mark had 6 months of submission practice before the roll.
He’d still lose. It’s a different sport. Same as if Rickson wrestled him, Rickson would lose. This is why MMA was invented.
@@jeffreybrown3469 I'm not saying you're wrong but it took Rickson 30 minutes (and as he said the video was his toughest roll ever) to tap Mark who didn't know any submissions on that day. Now imagine if he'd have trained 3/4 times a week in submissions and sub defence!!
@LS-fd6tl good point, but remember more training in Jiu-jitsu for Mark means he wouldn't have held Rickson in that Cradle and would've taken a risk and tried something else on Rickson, which means, it would've presented more openings for Rickson to get a submission on Mark much sooner. You go on the offense trying to put a sub on Rickson he's thinking like 3 or 4 moves ahead. Nobody is like Rickson.
Did Mark do catch wrestling?
No, he had no form of submission training prior to grappling with Rickson.
Professor/Sensei,
I just learned that in the main Japanese language, 'Jew Jitsu' translates as 'The Gentile Way'. 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for sharing your experiences and realisations with us. 👏🏻👏👏🏾👏🏿.
ÔS.
Uncle Henatch😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would have liked to see them roll after Mark had a few years of Jujitsu so as to avoid submissions and to be comfortable on his back which was not good thing in wrestling. He would have mastered MMA Style Grappling and maybe do much better vs Rickson. Anyone with a time machine? haha
Of course jiu jitsu prevailed. They did a jiu jitsu (no gi) sparring. They did not do MMA or even wrestling.
BTW: I once won a shooting match against a world class wrestler. Of course shooting prevailed. 🙂
Anyone else sit here and wonder when the last time Rickson Gracie tapped was?
Probably against his older brother Rolls that legit might be the last time he ever got tapped. And that was probably around his 25s or so causs Rolls has been dead for quite a while.
Likely was Rolls. Rickson always said Rolls was better than him...the best in the family. Just imagine!!!
There is a video on UA-cam with them going at it pretty good and Rickson falls over exhausted in the long version of the video.
Rickson and Rollls needs to be watched again people.
Rickson won that match against Rolls
Rickson had at least three submissions on Rolls and vs none
Marcelo Behring and Rolls Used to Submit Rickson
Jiu Jitsu did prevail because in those years before youtube/internet etc. wrestlers had ZERO experience with that type of grappling. I had the great experience of training at one of the first Gracie seminars 3-4 years before UFC 1. I had never seen armbars/ chokes etc and a couple things from that experience. One, the issue of rolling with guys laying willingly on their back was very strange and gave you a false sense of confidence. Two, I figured out wrestling taught me many ways to take a person down, control them and put them on their back but jiu jitsu was based on finding the submission be it choke/ bar etc. It was eye opening. Third, I was amazed that anyone of us 17 people who the Gracies were not aware of our skillsets would be put in our place quick when we would challenge the Gracies on what would happen if certain things were to happen. Rorian would speak to Royce in Portugese and the dumbass would invariably get choked or barred. Props to their moxie and confidence. The early 90’s were littered with NCAA/World and Olympic champions who got tapped as soon as they took the jiu jitsu guy down. Honestly, Shultz would have no ability to submit with no submission training but was a total badass. Would have loved to seen that roll.
So let's fight. You and me. It will be ok I'm nowhere near the level of who was it? No rules though. Yes no rules. Come show me what jiu-jitsu can do.
Oh god. I have to wonder if you people actually believe this shit.
I bet back in his day he would've definitely struggled with Mark hunt for toughness as well
Ron Tripp beat Rickson in sambo.
To be fair, there is no way a prime Rickson beats Roger, Marcelo, Buchecha, Galvao, and definitely not Gordon. In his respective timeline I think Sakuraba and Mark Kerr would have been interesting match ups.
Rickson ducked all the good fighters in the late 90s. The best guy he fought was a totally shot Funaki who blew his knee in the first minute of the fight. Sakuraba, Ken or Frank Shamrock, Don Frye, Bas Rutten, Igor V, Marco Ruas (who wanted to fight him), Kerr, Coleman, etc would've been big challenges but Rickson fought unskilled Japanese pro wrestlers instead.
I don't even need to watch this to know it was Chael Sonnen..The baddest man of all time.
That’s because there was no striking.
Khabib will smash this guy. lol
No but Karelin or Sudolev would.
Rickson beeing modest ; Shultz was awesome wrestler but jiujitsu is another level , once you are in guard you will never get out if you don't know jiujitsu .
Look up Mark shultz version. He said he pretty much controlled Rickson the entire time then he let him up and that’s when Rickson choked him. Listening to this I think that’s probably what happened
Wrestling is about control, no finishers. I really do wonder what on earth a wrestler is trying to achieve against any submission fighter. Also these are not fights, just lazy terminology, they are sparring matches without any strikes.
@@drakeh8162 Yeah there is no point. Its the same as the Gordon Ryan vs Bo Nickal match. A wrestler will have zero ways of winning against a bjj guy in pure grappling.
It wasn’t a real fight. Rickson made it in to a submission wrestling match only via rules. Mark had a very llimited Submission background at the time. JJ will always prevail if you have a rule set favoring it.
yea but khabib beats you (if you kept your knowledge now) back when your like 20-30 at your peak lol
Doesn't Rickson claim to be like 450-0 in fights? It's too bad he doesn't have any high profile matches or fights out there to back that up...
Yes, but he lost in sambo to Ron Tripp. Rickson also ducked all the good fighters in the late 90s. The best guy he fought was a totally shot Funaki who blew his knee in the first minute of the fight. Sakuraba, Ken or Frank Shamrock, Don Frye, Bas Rutten, Igor V, Marco Ruas (who wanted to fight him), Kerr, Coleman, etc would've been big challenges but Rickson fought unskilled Japanese pro wrestlers instead.
Too bad he didnt have the balls to fight Sakuraba
Even though I agree with you, Rickson did not actually have a substantial MMA career. He specifically chose who he wanted to fight for the most amount of money. It did however prevent him from being injured badly and shortening his life. Sakuraba the legend, unfortunately was used and spit out by PRIDE. The company did not give two shits about him, since they even pressured him to fight while he was injured.
@J And you believe that? Rickson had nothing to offer sakuraba. If anything his striking is even worse than his brothers. His legacy was far more important to his family that trying to beat sakuraba. Rickson would have gotten embarrassed and he knew it.
@@xStaman lol Rickson was over 4O years old already, where was Saku during Rickson prime?
He couldnt stop Royce during 9O minutes.. and Rickson was much better
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth "He couldnt stop Royce: for 90 minutes".. BAHAHAHA Sakuraba could have finished Royce with strikes at any time. He wanted to put a show on for the fans and he wanted to make Royce quit and that's exactly what he did. Poor Royce, him and his brother set the rules for the bout and they still got their asses handed to them. If Rickson thought he could beat Sakuraba and regain his family's honor don't you think he would have done it? He wanted nothing to do with Sakuraba.
@@xStaman lol Shut up FOOL
Sakuraba told you that? lmao
What rules? just more time, that was good
Rickson's son died and he was over 4O years old, where was Sakuraba when Rickson was in his prime? he was submitted by Kimo in 1996.
There was no honor to regain little boy lol, Renzo and Ryan fought just for the money
U should have fought Sakuraba. You weakened your own legacy by being scared to fight him