MATAN290 omg i was just about to comment that but saw someone else (you) comment it first (thinking the same thing) omg he really does indeed haha and his clothing.
You can tell a lot about someone who takes their glove off to shake a fans hand. Nice touch. Thanks for the video - it will help a noob like me enjoy the ride even more.
i was doing it for a while but i stopped because of a stupid told me that it could damage my bike gearbox but now after this video am gonna do it without worries ....... thanks a lot RJ
It does NOT reduce "gear precision" and it does NOT wear it down more than using your clutch. If anything, you clutch gets worn down faster from all the use if you use the clutch. The gearbox has a type of "clutch gear" of it's own that engages when there's torque. So when you don't pull the throttle or enginebrake, it "disengages" allowing you to shift without hurting any gears.
nope. If the synchronism of the shift is not perfect you can have as a result a slight resistance that forces the selector forks and/or, when the timing of the shift is really wrong, a severe shock of the gear that finally gets in. It varies from model to model but, in the end, using the clutch is safer. I use to change without clutch in certain circumstances like when I have one hand busy (like when I'm carrying something delicate on the tank), when I perform rocket style acceleration or when the clutch cable breaks (sometimes it occurs)...but I wouldn't recommend this practice as the best practice for bikers who really care for their bikes.
It really easy to time it tough and if you've done it a few times, the risk of doing it wrong is incredibly small. The synchronism of the shift will always be perfect as long as it takes less than about 0.6 seconds to do after releaseing the throttel, as long as you gearclutch isn't broken (the spring can break). It's just as safe to upshift without clutch as it is with a clutch unless you have no idea at all what you're doing. The gearclutch is there for that very purpose. The only time a "severe shock" to the gear will happen is if you downshift without clutch, or if you shift while holding the throttel, as the clutchgear will always be disingaged unless theres torque, unless it's broken.
I learned it without even noticing. Don't know how, don't know why. At some point I started to upshift exactly like you do. It's perfect, smooth and quick!
Nice video. The thing I like about quickshifters is you can change with the throttle wide open. Then again, clutchless works on pretty much everything :o)
OMG that was the most awesome shifting I've ever seen. Can't believe I never tried this. I'm going to try on a Ducati Diavel today. I'll hopefully not die. LOL. Sub'd!
Quick shifters come into there own when you have the throttle pinned wide open at the rev limiter. That's what they were designed for. But I agree clutch less shifting lower down the rev range is probably just as quick if not quicker that a qs.
also using a QS at low rev's isnt good for the gearbox and clutch. I know a lot of racers that wont even use them from 1-2 saying its also too harsh on the box.
I clutchless shift from 1-2 no problem.the guys that I know that race said you dont use a QS from 1-2 as the kill time is longer and this is harsh on the box.I know that hm also have a failsafe that the QS will not work below a certain rev as they are designed for high rev shifting only.
Tom Hill I've never once had any issues with a gearbox shifting from first to second clutchless, nor have I had any issues slipping into neutral doing that. To one up that, you are basing this on opinion whereas I have taken apart all of my bikes, even motocross bikes, and been inside the transmission and gearbox. It is simple to split the case and go through it when I am doing a rebuild, I do bottom and top end rebuilds often on all of my bikes and at the same time I set all the valves true and go through the transmission and replace any worn or bad cogs. I have never found a bad cog between first and second, and not only that they are constant mesh transmissions and there are no bad internal cogs inside of the actual bar that the main gears rest upon. I do not often clutchless shift from first to second though, because I get a bit of an oomph when doing it, the distance between first and second gear on all of my bikes are so wide that it's not worth the time saved to clutchless shift there.
I tried it today and it WORKS!! So smooth, only have to get the 1st to 2nd gear shift right, which is a bit shocky. From 2nd to 6th is effortless. Thanks for the tips and better riding experience, RJ!
Hello RJ! I just tried to clutch-less upshifts on my CBR250R after watching your video and it worked perfectly. As you said, clutch-less upshift is quicker, smoother and faster. After that, I will practice and practice about it. Many thanks for the priceless tips. It is really helpful for a newbie like me. Cheers
i tried the clutchless upshift technique on my suzuki gsx400 f from 1982 just a few hours ago, worked like a charm :D, man i drove threw half of europa a few years ago and never knew this, well i proves you got to learn from other bikers, thanks mate!
This is really great info! I always thought clutch less upshifts would cause harm. Obviously if not done right but did not realize you could go through the gears that quick. Nice man!
Even though I'm still not really sure about the safety (for the gearbox) of this way of shifting, I have to admit you DO achieve doing it reaaaally fast and smoothly. And since you wrote in the description it is YOUR way of doing it and YOUR opinion, I really feel like giving a thumb up to this informative video. Thank you RJ :)
I just bought a quick shifter today for my 22 Husqvarna FE501 Supermoto. Can't wait to fit it. Great for flat out shifting. When l raced MX on 2 strokes l just held it wide open and shifted without a clutch. Riding on dirt is way more forgiving on gearboxes though.
When riding slow it's not that hard cause there's not much to do about rev matching. Going hard I still can't figure it out... Last bike I tried was a Suzuki GN250 and be amazed, it's smoother clutchless then using the clutch.
You can clutchless down shift, is abit rough though I used to do it on a 125cc because you can't do much wrong on a 125 lol and I didn't care for abusing it
Great video, RJ! I took the time to learn clutchless shifting and now I love doing it. Makes it more smooth and fast on the upshift that using the clutch. Downshifts aren't too bad either as long as I'm in the higher RPMs.
Clutchless shifting only when you accelerate!!! When you drive at 30 mph and you think the revs are to high and you want to shift and drive after the shifting with 30 mph you have to use the clutch otherwise you fuck up the gearbox and the clutch. If anyone thinks I am wrong should he think how clutchless shifting works: When you accelerate is "pressure" on the gears when you now take the gas away is no pressure in the gears and you can change the gears thats why you have to do in the moment you take the gas away. I will not thank you for reading this but your motorcycle will😇
Hello RJ I am thinking of buying a Quick Shifter, and after seeing your video comparison was thinking about the following: The aim of the Quickshift, is to pass the gearbox at high speeds faster. In my opinion is an extra that makes little sense to walk at low speed ... but no doubt giving style :) Good videos;)
When I was learning to ride geared bikes back in my L plate days I discovered clutchless shifting through forgetting to use the clutch but I found the bike was happy with it, in fact it sounded better changing up and seemed quicker so I just continued with it and now many years later it's just second nature.
Just bought a ZX6R last week with a quickshifter already installed. Never rode with a quickshifter before, but it isn't as much fun without clutching it. At first, it didn't even feel like I'd gone to 2nd because the shift was so smooth. Also, sometimes the box gets jammed at 2nd at low revs. Weird not having to throttle off and downshift rev matching isn't as much fun either. Or maybe I just need more practice.
...it's all very well, but central London isn't a racetrack...if a kangaroo jumps out from a hedge - it's goodnight Vienna for you, and a bunch of tourists, who may be taking pictures of the Pyramids and perhaps not looking at the traffic, would be covered in the pizzas you deliver.....and then when the rozzers turn up, it'll be ''Ere, yowa nicked my san, wiv bin aftah yah fowa manfs, yu bleedin' 'ooligan.....'' etc etc....and it's cast-iron underpants time, with 2 years in the Scrubs. Why not do a 'track day'...or have a go at the TT course...on 'Mad Sunday'...next week!
...I mean T.T course, in the Isle of Man, typing TT looks like 'pi' the geometrical symbol representing the equation of a circles' diameter and it's relation to it's circumference....typing V.V is tricky too, as it looks like a 'w'....see ; VV or vv, so the word 'revving' for example, looks like it's pronounced 'rooing'...as in ''rooing my engine''...which is just silly......{YES, I know it's all cobblers - but it's RAINED all day and I've been stuck in, bored shitless, faffing about ont tinternet.}
Nick Anderson ....as well as an Oil Shiek, he also delivers Speedy-Pizzas / Ratburgers around London....probably. ...I mean , why ELSE would you tear around the crowded city at warp speed?
One can also do clutchless downshifts. I rode across town without using a brake just to see if it can be done (it wasn't during rush hour, mind you). But I must say it wasn't very practical, unless of course some one steals all your brakes and you have to make it home somehow. :)
clutchless upshift: keep pressure applied on the shift lever all the time and to shift simply back off and on again and it will flick into the next gear when the pressure is backed off the throttle. the pressure on the gear lever should be enough to slip up into next gear. easier than trying to time it.
Back in the 70's I broke my YAS1 125 clutch casing. Spare money was for beer so I rode it clutchless after that. Bit of a push, drop her into 1st.. she would downchange too if ya unloaded the drivetrain right. Rode all my bikes up gear like that ever since. I change down now with the clutch, easier on the chain etc.
Preloading the shifter will not wear your shifter cogs, as the reason it won't shift is that they are loaded by the acceleration and stick together, not allowing the shift cam and forks to operate and thus shift. What preloading might wear a bit is the shift forks, as they ride on a spinning surface with no bearings, only lubrication and loading the lever also loads the forks against their grooves. The effect must be pretty much nonexistent tho if you load it just under a second before engaging.
You can easily clutchless downshift too, just close the throttle a little bit to ease the tension, kick down and at the same time quickly accelerate to match the higher revs of the lower gear and it'll slip in no problem. I have a quickshifter for upshifts which is just that bit quicker, as the name suggests..!
When I learned for my car drivers license the instructor wanted me to try this (in a BMW). I did it twice and it didn't make a bad sound, but I don't think car gearboxes are designed to do it. Maybe I'm wrong. Sorry for my bad English
***** I know, that's why my instructor made me do it. He wanted to show it's possible. He even showed how to clutchless downshift by giving some gas, but I never tried that
+bayenne5b I had to use it in my car once, when the clutch was giving me trouble. It's good to know how to do it, although the car's gearbox won't like you much.
To clarify: There is no difference in gearbox construction with or without qs, all the qs does is close the throttle for you. Now the pre-tensioning the gear lever in clutchless upshifting is a helpful thing while learning, u can (while accelerating ALWAYS and ONLY while accelerating at least slighlty) press the leaver up a little and it wont shift and then u just close a throttle for a sec and the gear will pop in - no change in pressure required, once u get a hold of it try eliminating the pre-tensioning period to 0 and there u go - a perfect clutchless upshift :) You are your own quickshifter now:) and Yes you can do it on every bike, and no it doesn not hurt your gearbox in any way. Shifting down without clutch or attempting clutchless upshift without load (no acceleration) that i do not reccomend:)
The Aprilia clutchless upshift is smoother and faster than both of those. While I don't think that all of the electronics on the RSV4 is the best, the upshift is nicer, the wheelie control is less obtrusive. The traction control really depends on the level. Just my opinion.
when I do clutchless upshifts I don't come all the way off the gas, and I hear quick shifters are bad for your gearbox in the long run. more vids like this please!
Clutchless shifting will cause more wear to the transmission, but it's very little and motorcycle transmissions are normally very strong.. So for example you might get 280k miles on a transmission instead of 300k miles. You could also argue that having the extra clutch wear if you use the clutch on upshifts could make your oil dirtier and deteriorate quicker which would make up for that difference anyway. So I guess what I'm saying is that it both does and does not cause more wear(depending on how you look at it).
So from my understanding you don't need to depress the clutch lever to up shift but you need to cancel the throttle momentarily. But for downshifting you must depress the clutch lever? And this is not damaging to the gearbox at all?
My goal is smooth therefore I use just the right amount of clutch and throttle in combination. Every bike and every circumstance is a little different though but you end up mastering it. The best gearbox I've ever encountered was while test riding a honda cb1000r. I swear I didn't even know if the gear was changing or not it was that clean.
as an old school courier(17 yrs bikin. 9 courering) clutchless ups were around b4 quickshifters. & down can be done the same as long as u get the revs matched. was doin them on bandit 6,, xj900 gt 550 ,& on an r1. can up shift on my xjr1300 like its auto. tbh haven't tried down shiftin on it yet lol
Nice One.I do it in my Duke 690 from 1st to 4-5th without even a small sound coming from transmision if im spelling right. Some people when i say it they say its impossible lol Ride Daily brings everything
It took me a while to get the hang of it but it can be done very quickly. Rev matching is what you do when down shifting. I do not recommend quick shifting going up hill it is not as easy as using the clutch in some cases.
I think it all depends on how fast you can kick up. Now I'm only 16 and I am aiming to get the s1000rr for a bike when I'm 18 have A LOT of money saved up lol. But I will switch the shifting to GP shifting so down is gear up and up is gear down. Because it is harder on a sport bike to kick up. You need to move your whole leg (so I read) and in GP is you see all they need to do is just kick down lol. Think about them trying to kick up at speed lol.
If anyone wonders if clutchless upshifts hurt the gearbox: Watch Opferman's Video on the topic, he explains in great detail on an open gearbox why it doesn't increase wear.
LOL , go figure. You prematurely get mad at him. and its a fan . HAHA Good video ive been working on doing this myself with both my bikes. Still working on timing.
I got fast at upshifting with the clutch very early, so clutchless upshifting wasn't a problem. Clutchless is the same as doing it very quickly normally, just without the clutch.
So Ive just started doing this on my bike, its amazing how smooth the ride becomes but I still dont get it 100% Most of the times I go from 1st to 2nd gear when the lever "clicks in" the bike acelerates and pushes me back... the higher the gear the less this happens... Throttle completely off, I guess I dont sync it too well yet, practice will tell. Downshifts are very easy with a blip of the throttle on LOW RPMs. I dont have the practice or the balls to try any of this at high rpms yet. Bike is a Iron883, Big hug from Chile.
Yes and yes. "Don't do it" I was told by a very good bike engine builder. It's a bad habit and kills gearboxes. plus you get to use the clutch like a slipper clutch by controlling re-engagement, (separate subject)
Great video. You are shifting at mid range revs. I find this also like you very easy to clutchless shift. Mostly because you are already off the throttle when you want to shift. If you are on throttle 100% and want to change it is much harder to off throttle and back on clutchless. Just hitting the gear is seemless. I think if you clutchless shift mid gear I think you are right.
Clutchless shifting is just more FUN! If someone is wearing the gears, then it's because of the rider isn't doing it right. Practice practice practice.
I'm on an Aprilia Tuono and the quickshifter is much faster for normal use, but much slower to change several gears in a row, as the gear lever is very stiff. In a race to 6th gear for the sake of getting to 6th, my old FZ6R would win every time.
I just re-watched this upload "Quick Shifter vs. Clutchless upshifts" and was thinking it is probably more relevant now (May 2017) being three years later. In the early 80's when I was about 17/18 (53 at the time of writing this) I remember an older lad showing me how to make a gear "racing" change without using the clutch and have used the technique ever since. This actually uses the slack in the chain and gear components to momentarily disengage the engine forces so the gear shift can be made. It is slightly more difficult to clutch-less change a shaft drive bike. Would it be possible to make a dedicated video on how to make clutch-less changes which I think is getting to be a forgotten art with a lot of newer riders starting there riding experiences on "twist n go's".
Not many places left to hide now RJ... lol :P
that guy actually sounded and looked like james may from top gear
long white hair ?
yea :D im telling you he looks just like him and sounds just like him
MATAN290 omg i was just about to comment that but saw someone else (you) comment it first (thinking the same thing) omg he really does indeed haha and his clothing.
MATAN290 I wonder if May actually does watch RJ's videos...
Now that would be cool.
Nah. He sound like Zoro
lol, Why the fuck did you stop behind me?! Oh, it's a fan, okay then. xD
i felt so bad at the end. you were like what does this guy want? but then you stopped to give him your time and i felt a bit better for him haha.
You can tell a lot about someone who takes their glove off to shake a fans hand. Nice touch.
Thanks for the video - it will help a noob like me enjoy the ride even more.
i was doing it for a while but i stopped because of a stupid told me that it could damage my bike gearbox but now after this video am gonna do it without worries ....... thanks a lot RJ
Actually in the long distance it can reduce gear precision...your friend was not so stupid
is just logic if using the clutch will always be the best option. The other may not be to harm full either or just a little tiny harmfully.
It does NOT reduce "gear precision" and it does NOT wear it down more than using your clutch. If anything, you clutch gets worn down faster from all the use if you use the clutch. The gearbox has a type of "clutch gear" of it's own that engages when there's torque. So when you don't pull the throttle or enginebrake, it "disengages" allowing you to shift without hurting any gears.
nope. If the synchronism of the shift is not perfect you can have as a result a slight resistance that forces the selector forks and/or, when the timing of the shift is really wrong, a severe shock of the gear that finally gets in.
It varies from model to model but, in the end, using the clutch is safer.
I use to change without clutch in certain circumstances like when I have one hand busy (like when I'm carrying something delicate on the tank), when I perform rocket style acceleration or when the clutch cable breaks (sometimes it occurs)...but I wouldn't recommend this practice as the best practice for bikers who really care for their bikes.
It really easy to time it tough and if you've done it a few times, the risk of doing it wrong is incredibly small. The synchronism of the shift will always be perfect as long as it takes less than about 0.6 seconds to do after releaseing the throttel, as long as you gearclutch isn't broken (the spring can break). It's just as safe to upshift without clutch as it is with a clutch unless you have no idea at all what you're doing. The gearclutch is there for that very purpose. The only time a "severe shock" to the gear will happen is if you downshift without clutch, or if you shift while holding the throttel, as the clutchgear will always be disingaged unless theres torque, unless it's broken.
Tried this on my cbr250 this morning! It works greatly on high revs, it doesn't on low revs. Great shifts anyway! THANKS RJ, awesome tips.
Coolest outake to date. Keep it up RJ... and well done you man from Cornwall!
I learned it without even noticing. Don't know how, don't know why. At some point I started to upshift exactly like you do. It's perfect, smooth and quick!
Nice video. The thing I like about quickshifters is you can change with the throttle wide open. Then again, clutchless works on pretty much everything :o)
OMG that was the most awesome shifting I've ever seen. Can't believe I never tried this. I'm going to try on a Ducati Diavel today. I'll hopefully not die. LOL. Sub'd!
He died
• yeah but the diavel pulls hard so you really fly. :o)
Quick shifters come into there own when you have the throttle pinned wide open at the rev limiter. That's what they were designed for. But I agree clutch less shifting lower down the rev range is probably just as quick if not quicker that a qs.
also using a QS at low rev's isnt good for the gearbox and clutch.
I know a lot of racers that wont even use them from 1-2 saying its also
too harsh on the box.
Tom Hill Benn clutchless shifting on all manner of bikes over the past 35 years, right from first and never had a problem
I clutchless shift from 1-2 no problem.the guys that I know that race said you dont use a QS from 1-2 as the kill time is longer and this is harsh on the box.I know that hm also have a failsafe that the QS will not work below a certain rev as they are designed for high rev shifting only.
Tom Hill I've never once had any issues with a gearbox shifting from first to second clutchless, nor have I had any issues slipping into neutral doing that. To one up that, you are basing this on opinion whereas I have taken apart all of my bikes, even motocross bikes, and been inside the transmission and gearbox. It is simple to split the case and go through it when I am doing a rebuild, I do bottom and top end rebuilds often on all of my bikes and at the same time I set all the valves true and go through the transmission and replace any worn or bad cogs. I have never found a bad cog between first and second, and not only that they are constant mesh transmissions and there are no bad internal cogs inside of the actual bar that the main gears rest upon.
I do not often clutchless shift from first to second though, because I get a bit of an oomph when doing it, the distance between first and second gear on all of my bikes are so wide that it's not worth the time saved to clutchless shift there.
I have seen damage from quick shifting first to second.its the second to sixth mesh and selector fork that gets it.replaced a good few in my time.
I've recently started doing clutchless upshifts and I have to agree RJ, it makes riding much more enjoyable :)
Yeah 1st to 2nd is gonna be jerky on a 125 so I rarely do it haha
+HamSpamJamLamb i'll have to give it a try then. This makes me want to go out and try it now, but it's 1:30 am
+Marksman2oo7 lol do it!
I tried it today and it WORKS!! So smooth, only have to get the 1st to 2nd gear shift right, which is a bit shocky. From 2nd to 6th is effortless. Thanks for the tips and better riding experience, RJ!
Hello RJ!
I just tried to clutch-less upshifts on my CBR250R after watching your video and it worked perfectly. As you said, clutch-less upshift is quicker, smoother and faster. After that, I will practice and practice about it.
Many thanks for the priceless tips. It is really helpful for a newbie like me.
Cheers
God I am so old.... My excuse is haven't ridden a Bike in years (last Bike CBR1000F). You see you are a good guy to so many people.
Out of all the moto related videos I watch daily, you Sir are the best!
i tried the clutchless upshift technique on my suzuki gsx400 f from 1982 just a few hours ago, worked like a charm :D, man i drove threw half of europa a few years ago and never knew this, well i proves you got to learn from other bikers, thanks mate!
This is really great info! I always thought clutch less upshifts would cause harm. Obviously if not done right but did not realize you could go through the gears that quick. Nice man!
I am loving the way RJ explains things.
Even though I'm still not really sure about the safety (for the gearbox) of this way of shifting, I have to admit you DO achieve doing it reaaaally fast and smoothly. And since you wrote in the description it is YOUR way of doing it and YOUR opinion, I really feel like giving a thumb up to this informative video. Thank you RJ :)
I just bought a quick shifter today for my 22 Husqvarna FE501 Supermoto. Can't wait to fit it. Great for flat out shifting. When l raced MX on 2 strokes l just held it wide open and shifted without a clutch. Riding on dirt is way more forgiving on gearboxes though.
I don't often use clutch ;)
And i like the way that you are happy to talk to subscribers and shit like that. Good man, keep it up :)
Was that James May at the end there?
I thought so too until I heard the voice lol
late reply but he sounds little bit like May.
He has long hair
Good to see you're talking in your videos now!
Great to get your angle on the clutchless shift and quickshifter thing RJ.
What are the odds indeed!!?? Nice respectful subscriber there ;)
Face it RJ, you're a star ;)
No pressure to the shifter before shifting... check!
I love to shift without making use of the clutch! But always thought it might cause damage, thanks for clearing that up
Next ... clutchless downshifting ;)
When riding slow it's not that hard cause there's not much to do about rev matching. Going hard I still can't figure it out... Last bike I tried was a Suzuki GN250 and be amazed, it's smoother clutchless then using the clutch.
You can clutchless down shift, is abit rough though I used to do it on a 125cc because you can't do much wrong on a 125 lol and I didn't care for abusing it
Great video, RJ! I took the time to learn clutchless shifting and now I love doing it. Makes it more smooth and fast on the upshift that using the clutch. Downshifts aren't too bad either as long as I'm in the higher RPMs.
Clutchless shifting only when you accelerate!!! When you drive at 30 mph and you think the revs are to high and you want to shift and drive after the shifting with 30 mph you have to use the clutch otherwise you fuck up the gearbox and the clutch. If anyone thinks I am wrong should he think how clutchless shifting works: When you accelerate is "pressure" on the gears when you now take the gas away is no pressure in the gears and you can change the gears thats why you have to do in the moment you take the gas away.
I will not thank you for reading this but your motorcycle will😇
Hello RJ
I am thinking of buying a Quick Shifter, and after seeing your video comparison was thinking about the following:
The aim of the Quickshift, is to pass the gearbox at high speeds faster. In my opinion is an extra that makes little sense to walk at low speed ... but no doubt giving style :)
Good videos;)
i had no idea that this was a thing... RJ.. you are a life saver sometimes :)
waning to you who never do this trick, it can cause uncontrollable smile when the first time you nail it.
Doing this on my YZF-125R now even though it does not make my slow turtle go faster it's a lot more fun ^_^ thanks for explaining so well RJ
Thank you very good information, I am a motocross guy and in competition you do not have time to use the clutch after tacking off.
i really like your technique, tried it and it worked!
RJ, I love how your accent comes and goes. It's hilarious!
Keep up with the nice videos
Haha I know where that spot is too... the river and the sports center is the giveaway ;) Nice info.
The quick shift sounds good , still use to doing the clutch thing though . Good video ...
Nice vid mate! I've even performed clutch less shifts on my cruiser. Works really well. Ride safe.
Nice Clear video! :) I first did load up ,, but now i'll try without :) thanks for the tips!
Love the ending with a viewer/fan. Awesome.
When I was learning to ride geared bikes back in my L plate days I discovered clutchless shifting through forgetting to use the clutch but I found the bike was happy with it, in fact it sounded better changing up and seemed quicker so I just continued with it and now many years later it's just second nature.
Just bought a ZX6R last week with a quickshifter already installed. Never rode with a quickshifter before, but it isn't as much fun without clutching it. At first, it didn't even feel like I'd gone to 2nd because the shift was so smooth. Also, sometimes the box gets jammed at 2nd at low revs. Weird not having to throttle off and downshift rev matching isn't as much fun either. Or maybe I just need more practice.
Can't wait for the akras to arrive for your bike RJ!!
...it's all very well, but central London isn't a racetrack...if a kangaroo jumps out from a hedge - it's goodnight Vienna for you, and a bunch of tourists, who may be taking pictures of the Pyramids and perhaps not looking at the traffic, would be covered in the pizzas you deliver.....and then when the rozzers turn up, it'll be ''Ere, yowa nicked my san, wiv bin aftah yah fowa manfs, yu bleedin' 'ooligan.....'' etc etc....and it's cast-iron underpants time, with 2 years in the Scrubs. Why not do a 'track day'...or have a go at the TT course...on 'Mad Sunday'...next week!
Ehh, what?
Errr... Did I hear you mention pizza?! I am starving ;)
...I mean T.T course, in the Isle of Man, typing TT looks like 'pi' the geometrical symbol representing the equation of a circles' diameter and it's relation to it's circumference....typing V.V is tricky too, as it looks like a 'w'....see ; VV or vv, so the word 'revving' for example, looks like it's pronounced 'rooing'...as in ''rooing my engine''...which is just silly......{YES, I know it's all cobblers - but it's RAINED all day and I've been stuck in, bored shitless, faffing about ont tinternet.}
Nick Anderson ....as well as an Oil Shiek, he also delivers Speedy-Pizzas / Ratburgers around London....probably. ...I mean , why ELSE would you tear around the crowded city at warp speed?
I want pizza ;)
I always upshift clutchless on my (01) R1, it's quicker, smoother, quieter and less effort in my opinion. Great vid RJ, keep them coming. 👍
wow I never knew you could do this if feels so good when you do a smooth clutchless shift
One can also do clutchless downshifts. I rode across town without using a brake just to see if it can be done (it wasn't during rush hour, mind you). But I must say it wasn't very practical, unless of course some one steals all your brakes and you have to make it home somehow. :)
clutchless upshift: keep pressure applied on the shift lever all the time and to shift simply back off and on again and it will flick into the next gear when the pressure is backed off the throttle. the pressure on the gear lever should be enough to slip up into next gear. easier than trying to time it.
Back in the 70's I broke my YAS1 125 clutch casing. Spare money was for beer so I rode it clutchless after that. Bit of a push, drop her into 1st.. she would downchange too if ya unloaded the drivetrain right. Rode all my bikes up gear like that ever since. I change down now with the clutch, easier on the chain etc.
Mr Jordanian sir, I like your bikes ears, what make are they? Anyone?
Love the way you call them ears :) I presume you are talking about the mirrors. They are Rizoma Elisse.
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Preloading the shifter will not wear your shifter cogs, as the reason it won't shift is that they are loaded by the acceleration and stick together, not allowing the shift cam and forks to operate and thus shift. What preloading might wear a bit is the shift forks, as they ride on a spinning surface with no bearings, only lubrication and loading the lever also loads the forks against their grooves. The effect must be pretty much nonexistent tho if you load it just under a second before engaging.
You can easily clutchless downshift too, just close the throttle a little bit to ease the tension, kick down and at the same time quickly accelerate to match the higher revs of the lower gear and it'll slip in no problem. I have a quickshifter for upshifts which is just that bit quicker, as the name suggests..!
When I learned for my car drivers license the instructor wanted me to try this (in a BMW). I did it twice and it didn't make a bad sound, but I don't think car gearboxes are designed to do it. Maybe I'm wrong. Sorry for my bad English
***** I know, that's why my instructor made me do it. He wanted to show it's possible. He even showed how to clutchless downshift by giving some gas, but I never tried that
+bayenne5b I had to use it in my car once, when the clutch was giving me trouble. It's good to know how to do it, although the car's gearbox won't like you much.
LoL That was funny about being spotted but Great info about shifting though! The day you stop learning is the day you die!
Ride safe my friend!
Go to cornwall, I live here, its a wonderfull place, could be moody with the weather but hey-ho, lots of places you can visit. :)
Sounds terrific on the Nuda when you blast through the gears like that.
ha ha liked the outtake.......you never know who you will meet
Great Vid RJ!! Hope you do some more like this
To clarify: There is no difference in gearbox construction with or without qs, all the qs does is close the throttle for you. Now the pre-tensioning the gear lever in clutchless upshifting is a helpful thing while learning, u can (while accelerating ALWAYS and ONLY while accelerating at least slighlty) press the leaver up a little and it wont shift and then u just close a throttle for a sec and the gear will pop in - no change in pressure required, once u get a hold of it try eliminating the pre-tensioning period to 0 and there u go - a perfect clutchless upshift :) You are your own quickshifter now:) and Yes you can do it on every bike, and no it doesn not hurt your gearbox in any way. Shifting down without clutch or attempting clutchless upshift without load (no acceleration) that i do not reccomend:)
The Aprilia clutchless upshift is smoother and faster than both of those. While I don't think that all of the electronics on the RSV4 is the best, the upshift is nicer, the wheelie control is less obtrusive. The traction control really depends on the level.
Just my opinion.
when I do clutchless upshifts I don't come all the way off the gas, and I hear quick shifters are bad for your gearbox in the long run. more vids like this please!
Does anyone know how old RJ is? Or is it just his accent making him sound older?
Great inspiration nontheless.
Clutchless shifting will cause more wear to the transmission, but it's very little and motorcycle transmissions are normally very strong.. So for example you might get 280k miles on a transmission instead of 300k miles. You could also argue that having the extra clutch wear if you use the clutch on upshifts could make your oil dirtier and deteriorate quicker which would make up for that difference anyway.
So I guess what I'm saying is that it both does and does not cause more wear(depending on how you look at it).
ive once had my clutch cable snapped in the middle of a commute, ive learnt clutchless upshifts and downshifts since then.
So from my understanding you don't need to depress the clutch lever to up shift but you need to cancel the throttle momentarily. But for downshifting you must depress the clutch lever? And this is not damaging to the gearbox at all?
Come to Cornwall! Some real nice roads and places, with views that are jusr mind blowing! XD
My goal is smooth therefore I use just the right amount of clutch and throttle in combination. Every bike and every circumstance is a little different though but you end up mastering it. The best gearbox I've ever encountered was while test riding a honda cb1000r. I swear I didn't even know if the gear was changing or not it was that clean.
as an old school courier(17 yrs bikin. 9 courering) clutchless ups were around b4 quickshifters. & down can be done the same as long as u get the revs matched. was doin them on bandit 6,, xj900 gt 550 ,& on an r1. can up shift on my xjr1300 like its auto. tbh haven't tried down shiftin on it yet lol
that bike dude omg almost better then the s1000rr
Nice One.I do it in my Duke 690 from 1st to 4-5th without even a small sound coming from transmision if im spelling right.
Some people when i say it they say its impossible lol
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It took me a while to get the hang of it but it can be done very quickly. Rev matching is what you do when down shifting. I do not recommend quick shifting going up hill it is not as easy as using the clutch in some cases.
Great video I practise all the time but still have to use the clutch most of the time.ride safe cya
nice video as always RJ
I think it all depends on how fast you can kick up. Now I'm only 16 and I am aiming to get the s1000rr for a bike when I'm 18 have A LOT of money saved up lol. But I will switch the shifting to GP shifting so down is gear up and up is gear down. Because it is harder on a sport bike to kick up. You need to move your whole leg (so I read) and in GP is you see all they need to do is just kick down lol. Think about them trying to kick up at speed lol.
If anyone wonders if clutchless upshifts hurt the gearbox: Watch Opferman's Video on the topic, he explains in great detail on an open gearbox why it doesn't increase wear.
Yesssss, Smoother quicker faster !!!!!! I do it on my 1998 kawa Er5....
Very nice, man!
I have always done clutch less upshift on my Bandit 600 for years with no problems, much smoother.
Thanks for the video RJ :) will defiantly give it ago!
great vidio got to try it out on the v-strom now,just hope it works ok.
LOL , go figure. You prematurely get mad at him. and its a fan . HAHA
Good video ive been working on doing this myself with both my bikes.
Still working on timing.
I got fast at upshifting with the clutch very early, so clutchless upshifting wasn't a problem. Clutchless is the same as doing it very quickly normally, just without the clutch.
So Ive just started doing this on my bike, its amazing how smooth the ride becomes but I still dont get it 100%
Most of the times I go from 1st to 2nd gear when the lever "clicks in" the bike acelerates and pushes me back... the higher the gear the less this happens... Throttle completely off, I guess I dont sync it too well yet, practice will tell.
Downshifts are very easy with a blip of the throttle on LOW RPMs. I dont have the practice or the balls to try any of this at high rpms yet.
Bike is a Iron883, Big hug from Chile.
I had an ignition cutout that worked real good just unloads the gears for jut a split second
When you preload with foot pressure you wear the selector dogs not the cogs. Clutch less shifting up the box is harmless when done correctly.
+HORNET6 How about downshifts? I can shift pretty smooth but wondered if it does any damage in the long run, especially at low gears.
Yes and yes. "Don't do it" I was told by a very good bike engine builder. It's a bad habit and kills gearboxes. plus you get to use the clutch like a slipper clutch by controlling re-engagement, (separate subject)
I've been doing clutchless upshifting for a while now (since I started riding) and it's a lot better than using the clutch.
Haha the ending was pretty cool
Great video.
You are shifting at mid range revs. I find this also like you very easy to clutchless shift. Mostly because you are already off the throttle when you want to shift.
If you are on throttle 100% and want to change it is much harder to off throttle and back on clutchless. Just hitting the gear is seemless.
I think if you clutchless shift mid gear I think you are right.
Nice to see people recognizing you :)
Clutchless shifting is just more FUN! If someone is wearing the gears, then it's because of the rider isn't doing it right. Practice practice practice.
Clear and good advise but you don't really need to knock the throttle off as much as you do to be fair 👍
Man I love the carbon details on the nuda and the BMW !! Where they add on's or did you buy like that RJ ?
All done by me.
I'll can get some for my bike already looking 😉
There are 5 ways to shift:
- close the throttle, clutch
- close the throttle
- use clutch
- use quickshifter
- push kill switch while swifting
I'm on an Aprilia Tuono and the quickshifter is much faster for normal use, but much slower to change several gears in a row, as the gear lever is very stiff. In a race to 6th gear for the sake of getting to 6th, my old FZ6R would win every time.
I just re-watched this upload "Quick Shifter vs. Clutchless upshifts" and was thinking it is probably more relevant now (May 2017) being three years later.
In the early 80's when I was about 17/18 (53 at the time of writing this) I remember an older lad showing me how to make a gear "racing" change without using the clutch and have used the technique ever since. This actually uses the slack in the chain and gear components to momentarily disengage the engine forces so the gear shift can be made. It is slightly more difficult to clutch-less change a shaft drive bike.
Would it be possible to make a dedicated video on how to make clutch-less changes which I think is getting to be a forgotten art with a lot of newer riders starting there riding experiences on "twist n go's".
Thanks for the upload!
Mastering the downshifts is the hard part ;)
Great video as always RJ, I can do the clutch-less upshifts they are rather easy but any tips on clutch-less downshifts? they aren't as easy I find?
You can do downshifts, but you will destroy your Gearbox in no time, so it's a big no no.