QUAKE 2 - Original vs Remaster (1997 vs 2023) Comparison
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- Опубліковано 11 сер 2023
- In this video I compare the new enhanced version of Quake 2 with the original from 1997. Lighting, textures and resolution are improved, there are more "Quality of Life" settings and a new episode. Which version do you prefer?
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When I fired this up and saw how they lovingly re-rendered the intro cinematics, I knew this was a special remaster.
Apparently the high resolution video files for the original cinematics were lost, so they completely remade them from scratch, with the original models used for the original cutscenes, as those weren't lost. That's why there are some slight differences in the intro cutscene, like some of the smaller cannons moving in the remaster when they didn't in the original.
This is what all remasters should be. I wish Warcraft 3 was given such treatment. Instead Blizzard ruined it. Same kind of mess happened to 3d era GTA games with "Definitive Trilogy"...
Another nice thing about the Q1 and Q2 re-masters is that they added the music back in.
yea i used to play withiout, first time im hearing all of it in the game
@@Cenot4ph this will be my first time hearing the music AND watching cinematics, since my version in the childhood had them cut
Funny enough, you could always add the music to the OG versions by adding the MP3 files to a specific folder in the base or baseq2 directories.
By god, there's so many subtle things they improved in this remaster. Something I noticed that hasn't been mentioned in a lot of videos like this is the addition of texture-based walking sounds, so you don't sound like you're walking on steel when you're on grass and dirt.
Oh yes, one of the first things I noticed. Adds much to the immersion!
I wonder, is that a thing id tech had or did they get the idea from goldsource
@@TheXppp1they did it back on quake 3 arena (1999) so who knows?
It is fun to me, i recognise some of the sounds from quake3. Like the metal ones.
Another detail no video talks about is, how they changed the gibs, now every monster has its own unique gibs, unlike og.
Also, shooting corpses makes them twitch.
Or the fact that the game now comes with the music included, finally.
Love the remake, it looks like how I remember the original looked, but it sure didn't.
Remaster not a remake.
Yes it matters when both have different expectations and people still mix them up.
@@Geassguy360 I mean, I don't know the terminology for sure, but this one almost qualifies as a remake. It's really a new game on a new engine (KEX) with new models, lots of new effects (like muzzle flashes) and completely new cutscenes. But yeah, it's probably still a remake, even though it's been rebuilt almost from scratch.
@@KeksimusMaximus
Different engine but not remade from scratch. (Despite the cutscenes and the additional Episode)
Enhanced, but not a remake. EDIT: Kex is more like a wraper / translator than a full engine. Under it there is still the game running more or less on original idtech.
@@TeamBeefVR Im pretty sure the engine is a hybrid of Kex and the original engine's code,but clearly the maps were touched up.
the difference is very small, Quake RTX looks like real remake, this "remake" is kinda for poor gamers without RTX card
Graphics aside, I really liked they have updated enemy behavior. Most notably, berserker is no longer a joke, but few other enemies apparently got some alterations too. "Compass" could be useful for "casuals" too (not for people who like searching for secrets ofc).
Compass is a super handy feature. Some of these levels are very maze like, and I just dont have enough game time in the day to spend it wondering around searching for the way forward.
@@williamhickey2590 It depends on your preferred style. If you want to just avoid the mazes and get more fighting and "completion", compass is great for you. If one likes exploring levels and searching for secrets, compass will be much less useful. Still, nice they are giving players a choice.
The game is already pretty straight forward in the direction you need to go most of the time except in certain times where the way to progress is tucked somewhere stupid. I think the compass is pretty inoffensive.
Pfft, "Casuals"
Excuse me sir, this is an action game, if I wanted to play "MYST", I would have double clicked on the "MYST" icon instead, id software does best when it is sticking to what it is good at :P
The compass only guides you to your current mission objective, it has no relevancy to hunting for secrets. It might also be the main reason I'm having a blast with the Remaster right now, while never really caring for the original too much when I played it in the past.
They have done an incredible job with this remaster
1:24 - 1:29 | That cowboy is literally every new Quake 2 player in a nut shell.
for me, Q2 was the most beautiful game at that time, I could not believe in such a level of graphics quality and everything seemed incredibly realistic
I very much remember seeing the flies gathering over the corpses after a few seconds and thinking, man this is so incredible. Its just never gonna get better than this.
it was significantly prettier with a 3dfx voodoo card.
@mugsy8 Yes! I had a 3DFX Voodoo Banshee and it really was amazing.
And the good old Half Life released year later which was astonishing and revolutionary. I was thinking back then that games cannot get anymore realistic.
It was a great looking game but Turok: Dinosaur hunter always amazed me how vibrant an organic an narural the enviorments looked.
1997 was a great year for FPS games no doubt, Blood, Shadow Warrior, Golden Eye.
Most of em remade by Nightdive too.
I think they also changed that stupid crazy recoil the OG Quake 2 had with the machine gun
They did, for sure
"LE BASED UA-camRINO CIVVIE (MANCHILD 11) SAID IT WAS LE BAD SO I HATE IT TOO NOW HOW BASED IS THAT HAHA"
No one ever complained about this recoil for 20 years after release, but as soon as some LE HECKING COOL UA-camRINOS said it was bad, SUDDENLY people like you appeared.
Pathetic
yeah i muscle memory trigger pumped it then realized better to just hold down fire haha@@DivineCerinian
They changed the recoil but not the spread
The recoil was one of the most awful things about the MG. Glad it's gone.
Q2 is one of my all-time favorites and the remaster is really pretty fkn awesome. I used to lug my pc to my buddies house up the road and we would LAN co-op and and dm with bots. I still love playing it.
2:46 The expanded area was originally cut out of the original and kept in the game files. They put it back into the remaster.
Was about to mention this. I was surprised to see it myself.
Looks amazing! I been played for the last 20hrs the best !!
Mio dio quanti ricordi… i primi 10 secondi del primo livello mi hanno fatto venire la pelle d’oca. Comparto audio già nel 97’ era superlativo. ID software nel cuore♥️
Wow great job Game Intros & Finales guy! This game is awesome, they even updated the N64 version in some ways. I love how they put effort and passion into the remaster, everything just looks cleaner and smoother and they also buffed those hammer hand guys that now leap at you, I think they're called the berserkers? Great game.
Being an OG its awesome how they did this. I played this game to death back in the day. I played well over 200 custom maps (both single player and multiplayer). This game will never die lol.
Honestly, I prefer the original's intro intro video, it looks so much more gritty than the squeaky clean 3D models of the remastered version.
I understand what you mean. I'm like that with other games myself that I grew up with. I'm one of the very strange people who liked the Doom soundtrack on 32x when I was a kid. I thought it sounded spookier on the 32x than the snes.
I'm ashamed to say that I never played Quake 2 when it first released. Having now played the remaster (which I understand to be quite faithful to the original), I'm amazed by how modern it is. It's a quantum leap from Doom and Quake 1. Also, I'm told that Quake 2 is not id's best game... I think it's quite remarkable, even now.
What is their best game?
Lmao, it is REALLY ironic to see another person surprised at how good this game is. Old timers and zoomers alike are all shocked that they have been lied to all these years that Quake2 is a bad game because some manchild youtubers told them so. Some of them go into extreme mental gymnastics saying UHHH DUDE THEY MADE SOME SEVERAL MINOR CHANGES AND THAT'S WHAT MAGICALLY MADE THIS GAME GOOD AFTER IT WAS REALLY BAD. Funny stuff. If it's so bad, then why can't anyone else make something better with at least the same thick atmosphere, distinctive and stylish enemy design, cool weapons, fluid movement, great sound design, and KILLER soundtrack? Most people think it's easy to make a good "retro shooter" these days but then they end up making another piece of garbage. If Q2 is so bad, then every other modern "retro shooter" should be better, right? Small studios made those games in a year in the 90s, and now even more people are making another Redneck Rampage instead of Duke Nukem 3D in 5 years. Same with Q2.
I played the original at launch; it’s always been really good (I bought my first GPU so that I could play it). I’m not sure why it was never as popular as the first Quake or Doom. Imo, it still feels fresh even by today’s standards in terms of gameplay
@@KeksimusMaximus Chill dude...
... Also, Quake 2 is meh for a lot of people, including me.
@@-Zakhiel- I bet you love zoom cringeternal
Remastered doesn't just mean the same game with higher specs. If that is all you need, then fair enough- you're far easier to please than I am.
Nightdive have nailed the formula for updating and tweaking old games to feel brand new whilst retaining the feel and look of the originals. I can't wait to see what they do next. Game preservation is important.
I mean.. put some Doom engine graphics, a lot uf us want know how Q2 would looks like whit today graphic engines.
I wonder if they'd do the same with "Dark Forces" or even "Rise of the Triad"?
@@michaelclark7447they remastered rise of the triad with ludicrous edition.
the enemies now have all the unused animations like shooting while runing, the first boss uses his grenade launchers now, the enemies also point up and down with grenades, and the flying enemies are more agresive and less slower. the coop have save to play without losing your equipment implemented a respawn system near friend and lives system all optional.
The hell? There's literally an entire new game inside this.
I like Remaster version
Thank you, Nightdive! Awsome remaster work! You really resurrected two sleeping giants for all the fans❤
The new intro looks very nice overall, I'm happy to see much better details in it. :) But I'm surprised they didn't take care of all the nice details in the original intro. I like both intros, they have pros and cons that make it hard for me to easily decide which one is better. But I'm happy the game got an overhaul and new content. I'll definitely take a look at the new section in the opening level (2:48), and hope to find other additions. :D
And now the comparison...
less asteroids in:
- 0:20 original vs 0:35 remaster
- 0:42 original vs remaster
0:52 much better engine fires (gradient) in the original, despite having less color range; the new one is just a bright light with barely any gradient
1:10 the original ships/pods look nicer with a full circle front red light, compared to less than half circle on the new ones
1:14
- surprisingly, there's less definition in the remastered texture of the bay door
- the ship's position is off-center in the original, which makes it look nicer
- the planet's outer glow looks better in the original (impressive for its time!), compared to the simple gradient in the remaster (check out "Earth's outer atmospheric glow from ISS" as an example)
- I love the definition of the planet's surface in the remaster, but they could've added a few more clouds, like in the original
- why make the "Bitterman" text red in the remaster?
1:23 again, the original did the lighting of the engine fires better, compared to the cheap "fade to bright" in the remaster
1:24
- the original showed the ships/pods on the background, compared to the shiny slights in the remaster
- Bitterman enters the frame tilting and straightening before veering off to the left, making for a nicer animation
- the "Bitterman" text is now white in the remaster :P
1:25 the engine plumes look way too clean in the remaster; a thicker glow might've looked nicer
1:40 I love the atmospheric glow in the remastered version :) it properly fades to black and it looks smoother
reading "Bitterman" on the ship/pod
- 1:55 pixelated in the original
- 2:06 pixelated in the remaster :( too bad they couldn't/didn't upscale that at least a bit; I always stroggled reading that when I first played Quake II, and it's still pixelated in the remaster :P
Side note, it's funny how they always got the name in the wrong position before (text on the side) and after the crash (text on the nose). :P
exploding barrels
- 1:53 more responsive in the original
- 2:03 delayed in the remaster :-/ pretty weird
ship/pod beauty shot against the planet, with less asteroids (again) in the remaster
- 3:30 remaster
- 3:33 original
"Stroggled"
I see what you did there
😄
Free if you already owned quake 2 digitally. Wow. Also, the game doesn't have microtransactions and is complete. It is excellent too. This is how remasters need to be.
For real, I was going to buy the remaster anyway and found it as a new entry in my GOG library. They did it right.
For the most part they've done a good job, but the intro cutscene's dropship moment seems to have lost some sense of depth. Maybe it was mostly due to compression artifacts of the original, but the dropships just look to clean as they leave the carrier ship, no atmospheric diffusion or anything like that (I know it's in space, but they're also in quite low orbit inside a ring system, so there are probably a lot of particles anyway).
I also think the new hit marker (i.e. the red X around the crosshairs when you hit an enemy) stay on screen just for a moment too long. I think it should either disappear quicker or expand and dissipate to enhance that specific moment of impact.
Not just the drop ships - everything in the remastered intro looks way too clean. Like a bunch of 3D models someone threw together rather than having the MOVIE feel of the original.
I've played Quake 2 a million times since 1997, but this time it's perfect. Creatures jumping from high places and coming towards you, etc. There is no escape
in my memory, the Big Gun was always firing off into space during the intro. Maybe iv got it mixed up with Starship troopers.
So glad there’s a compass because I know I’d just be running around in bloody circles otherwise.
You made a Condemned 2 wrap-up video about a year ago, great content, could you perhaps do one for Prey 2017 or is it not a suitable format for prey ?
The Remaster has Dynamic Lighting. That makes a hughe difference in visual quality. Same in Quake 1 Re.
€dit Q1/2 already had Dynamic Lighing in the Original (my mistake). But the much higher level of Global Illumination, therefore much more refined details and better Dynamic Lighting, makes that difference in visual quality.
In the remaster, dynamic lighting was just removed, this can be clearly seen at 2:43.
1. There are shadows in the original, in the remaster the scene is lit at an average level, like most modern games.
2. When barrels explode in the original on the wall, you can see how the lighting changes, in the remaster, the glare of light on the wall is almost not noticeable.
Also, a little earlier, when plasma charges fly, a clear light halo is visible on the ground in the original, but it is not in the remaster.
It amazes me how people praise something that is not there.
There was a similar story with Quake2 RTX, of course, it was the work of light there at a high level, but no one even said a word that there were no shadows at all. No matter what you do, you will not see your shadow in front of you or the shadows from NPCs.
But everyone is talking about a revolution in graphics.
@@You2Ber42 The lighting and shadows are way better than in the original version. You can see a professional analyse in the new DigitalFoundry graphics analyse on YT.
2. The level of global Illumination is much higher and as a result much more defined in the Remaster. Therefore dynamic lighting, which the Original already had in a simpler form, behavier is different.
3. Yes there are differences within the lighing of weapon projectiles etc.
DF mentioned that and shows some examples.
@@__Pathfinder__ Thanks for the information, I did not read the DF review, I proceed solely from what is in this video.
I gave 2 examples where you can clearly see the poorer dynamic lighting in this video.
In your opinion, in this particular video, where can you say that the lighting model is better?
I'm getting goose bumps from watching this
I love when a remaster stays true to the original
Didn't realise this was such a good remaster, I'll have to play it now.
Note for future, you could of recorded an ingame demo and transferred it over to the remaster and ran it for a very fair, balanced comparison.
They put more work in than I expected
This is a very good remaster. I’m honestly curious if they’ll remaster Quake 4 next. I doubt it, but I would still like to see it.
yea, those guns are terrible theres a hd texture mod but its busted as hell needs work
Gee if Microsoft bought Activision it would allow id and Raven to work together
With few console commands they do actually hold up.
A remaster would be cool, mostly because by the previous remaster's logic, that could mean a new campaign, and who knows if either would give us closure to the open ended story q4 had or if it sets the foundation for any upcoming quake game.
On my 13th birthday, we got our first pc. The same day I got the PCGamer magazine that had the Quake 2 demo. Core memory.
just finished base game it was new and familiar at the same time. the enemy ai is hilariously hard but its funny seeing it jump in bad spots since some levels were not designed with that in mind.
Quake 2 was my first game on pc. I will enjoy to play it again :D
Ya lo etstoy rejugando de nuevo xD, y pensar que hace siglos que lo juge tratando de sacar todos los secretos y ahora no recuerdo de la mayoria de ellos xD
love how all the textures are higher quality, but not hd.
I have become addicted to Quake 2 all over again this new version is incredible
They did a great job upgrading the cinematics for this game. They look fantastic!
no breaking pace cutcenes, no crappy weapon managment, no slowdowns. pure fun mayhem.
idk i think i prefer the original cutscene from 0:09 the new one is just too clean, but im glad it gives me an option to play classic mode too
yeah -- Quake 2 is a fun game in mid 2023. wasn't expecting that for sure
My most favorite Quake this and 4!!
The remaster looks a lot better in almost every way. That said while the opening cutscene is more visually impressive, I really enjoy how dirty the OG cutscene looks, there is just a nostalgia that doesnt transfer.
Funny. I'd just always assumed Planet Stroggos had fewer natural pixel resources than we did.
Actually, I didn't need the side by side. I played Q2 *a* *lot* bitd. But I really do love the look of the remaster. And from what I've heard it's got some amazing extra game content, in addition to some archival stuff.
Now if only I can find the rest of my squad and get off this heap, I'm looking forward to playing it. Someday...
The new campaign is really awesome. Machine Games designed it (apparently they're a bunch of og map makers from the early quake days) and it's super well done. They did the new campaign in the Q1 remaster and that was great too.
Papito jugó al Quake también ! 😁
Nightdive studios does Amazing remasters
For some reason in the original quake 2 game, the guns were made if jello or something. The idle animations had them jiggling like double D melons.
Skeletal animation wasn't a thing yet, so everything was still animated with vertices. Part of the big jump from Quake 1 to 2 was the introduction of model frame interpolation, which meant they would only animate a few frames by tweaking the vertices then the engine would fill in the space between them by adding new frames with gradual adjustments to the vertices. The jiggling you saw was either because the key frames did not keep consistent shapes of the objects in question or because there weren't enough key frames to completely mitigate the geometric errors in the translations.
Basically that, but also they used md2 format, which led to a good compression, but the format had a decimal rounding problem or something like that, which led to extra wobbliness. At least according to the remaster's vault.
I think models from remasters are md5 now.
maybe its a nitpick from my part, but I noticed that they added soundtrack on the first level and even tho the soundtrack of this game is amazing, I think the ambient sounds with the occasional radio chat and computer logs at the background makes the whole thing much more immersive..
They didn't add the soundtrack, they put it back in. The digital releases didn't play CD audio, and if I remember correctly you had to select it in the install on the OG CD release. Anyway, you can just turn the music off pretty easily.
@@TheDalisama Damn I didn't knew this, I swear I remember playing the og version back in the day without the soundtrack lol
@@cyberdemon9306 It's entirely possible you did. The soundtrack was only on the CD, so if you had a no CD crack installed it wouldn't have music, and it's possible it was simply disabled.
@@TheDalisamayou needed to have the cd in the drive to have music because it was a music CD, if you hadn't than there was no music
How is the music? Everything there? The didn't cut out anything?
Amazing
Awesome remaster. Q2 is so good I still have the original box.
j'ai trop adoré ce jeu, ça me rappelle ma jeunesse.
So I love the remake, but one thing I'm not hugely fond of, but don't see people mention a lot, is the addted fuse time to barrels exploding, it kinda breaks some setups in levels for big kills
I wrote a story based on Quake 2 in the 8th grade. No on had any idea I basically copied the plot of this game but everyone knew I was super into sci fi because of it.
It plays like a dream! 😍
Damn, I forgot how good this was
I would say this is the perfect remaster, i prefer it above the original, same goes for quake 1 remaster.
Great remaster, i love it.
New version is insane, been playing it for days straight
Great feeling of immersive 3D that Quake games have. Must be the crude, simple geometry and textures. Quake 3 arena as well.
I got to play it on an oled at my buddys and honestly with the contrast/hdr it looked insane, so cool.
remastered is awwesome although i kinda like some of the original sounds more
It's nice that they released a modern platform version of this classic game, but slightly better textures aren't enough to make me play it again.
This is quite possibly my favorite remaster ever made. They even remade the cut scenes!!!! Game was ahead of its time.
Apparently a fan made the first cut-scene, and got hired onto the team by the devs who saw it. Then that fan remade all cut-scenes for the remaster.
Is the new version out on disc or is it only downloadable?
The pod bay and start of the pod descent sequence are better in the original, I think. Better view/feel from the bay, and a much better cinematic, more visceral feel and sense of speed in the descent. Also the new Machine content seems to lack an intro? Other than that I am blown away by it all. My first and enduring favorite FPS has been done justice to. ❤️
It would be neat if they added an easy way to install mods like steam workshop or have it built in the game to find community mods. It would of also been cool but not necessary to add ray tracing with DLSS and FSR. This remaster is great though I love it cuz its my fav Quake game with Quake 4 being my second fav.
Look at quake 2 RTX for the original quake 2 and the KMQuake 2 Mod looks much better than the remaster, I refunded the remaster for quake 2, the Quake 1 remaster is pretty good but this is not worth the money if you already own the original and can mod it with KM
@@obscured021 The remaster is included with all Steam and GOG releases of the original game. I didn't pay anything since I already owned both that I got on sale for less than $3. While the lighting is technically better in Quake II RTX, it doesn't take the art direction into account and makes some areas lit incorrectly. That's not an issue with the remaster. The remaster also adds a lot of bonus features like all DLCs, a new campaign, cross platform multiplayer/Co-op, supports LAN play, Quake II 64 (which almost is it's own DLC campaign) with the remastered engine, playable pre-release demos, and a model viewer among other inclusions/QOL updates. I'd imagine that most Quake II fans already own the Steam/GOG versions, and if they don't, $10 is basically nothing for what you get.
I've already been playing few mod's with the remaster, kinda surprised they can run.
If anything, the quake 1 remaster is still being updated to this day, so they may do the ssme with q2?
This was a solid outing I don't mind giving it a replay.
I remember choosing this over Half Life 1
If you liked multiplayer it was a good choice, at least until CS and TFC came along.
Loved it when it came out back then. Not sure if I would still like it today.
Movement in the remaster feels fantastic
@@RandoLePersonif you purchased vanilla quake 2 like I did last year for $1 then the remaster is a free patch…
its funny that i even still like the original gfx... it wasnt that bad for those days
but i will play that game once again 26years later...
I’ve been playing the shit out of it since I got it a week ago. Been doing couch co op on it too. Still creepy in spots.
•• Does anyone remember multiplayer having a grappling hook? I remember there being power ups like ‘Haste’
Nightdive is really good at what they do. They are like the historians of gaming.
В восторге от игры, играю с 1999 года, полный отвал бошки, срочно нужно купить ремастер. Строги злые ❤
Q2 always in my heart ❤
I'd like to see the differences between the original and remaster of Quake 2 64
Has the Chaingun frame rate been fixed?
bro WOW, this almost looks like a remake, especially those cut-scenes, i think they put more effort into this game than Turok 1 back in 2015, hopefully Turok 3 (which is one the way) looks like this, damn
I wish we could get a new Doom and Wolfenstein with these simple maps and gameplay with today's visuals,the recent Dooms ect. Are too much imo there is so much going on that they feel more like a Cod experience rather then the originals.
The joke is: The remastered how i remember the quake 2 looked like LOL...
They have perfected upgrading these old games while still remaining faithful to the original content. Its amazing how well these older low poly games hold up.
Ремастер, конечно, более причесан и выглядит как надо! Квач тоже можно не раз перепроходить.
This remaster is remarkable yet a whole remake would've given justice to quake 2
They could have added some film grain or something to the intro so that it feels more like the old crummy fmv.
This is the best game I have ever played number 1😂
People are already working on an RTX version that's looking very promising. All the benefits of this new remaster but with incredible lighting FX too.
I will say I like the darker atmosphere of the original. But that's about it.
👍👍👍🔥🔥
*Cool Remastered*
I have played the original one back in 2000 on the PC. I will try the remaster version on Xbox One.
Blaster... a weapon that gets immediately forgotten after Level 1 😅
Remaster looks great, but I think its too clear and has more fps that lose ironically "realism" - I talk about intro 😊Need more dirt and fog, in game looks gereraly better, maybe some little details like enemies faces look "different"
Quake 2 Remaster is my introduction to the quake series, and I'm liking it so far. I feel like I owe this game, considering my love for Half-Life.
If using the old Quake II Evolve exe, it makes the explosions and smoke effects more reallistic. While the "Remaster" still looking the same and the effects that i've been said, still looking like the original old game, but with more Resolutions and more FPS at the screen. While inside the Old Quake II Evolve exe, the game looked like if it were created for the PS2 console and even added with more shader renders effects around.
A modern version of a classical, doesn't mean that it is better than the original.
I kind of prefer the original open cinematic. Sure its pixelated, but the pixelated look almost gave it an illusion of better detail to me. The new one just looks more barren to me.
Its nice seeing slightly more detailed textures, but honestly it does not hold a candle to just opening quake 2 in a source port with updated texture packs and lighting effects.
There is simply no remaster or remake that will improve anything in Quake 2, the feel and atmosphere is just absolutely perfect and nailed down in the original.
geniálne video 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Thanks!
Lo estoy jugando gracias son unos genios