I love my Assioma Duos (had them for about a year and a half now), they're super reliable. I agree with some of the other comments on here that the pedals are too "spinny", though. Even after using them for a long time, I still struggle to clip in on the road sometimes - my old Shimano pedals were much easier to clip into. The new Wahoo speedplay PowerLink pedals look great but they're too expensive for what they are, imo.
Same here. Have the assiomas for about 2 years now and it's still not completely intuitive to clip in. I used shimano pedals on a rental bike last holidays and it felt like I never stopped using shimano. But I still love the assioma and haven't regret the purchase.
100% this. PLUS: The customer support from Favero is incredible. Fast and alwaays helpful in case anything ever comes up. Also pair reliably with hammerhead, garmin and trainerroad on ipad and iphone.
i have speedplays already but my other powermeter decided to die so looking into pedal options. heres what ive learned so far through research favero tells you how long the battery life will last before it starts to degreade and its user servicable. wahoo says "well it depends" and you cant service the bearings if they ever need maintenance. favero lists the max power it gets tested to, wahoo does not. Q factors are about the same. look style cleats are typically easier to come across if youre in the middle of a ride and have an issue like a cleat breaks. speedplay style cleats still can have cleat failures as ive had one myself mid sprint when the metal clip broke. pedal into the shin giving 1998 flashbacks as a kid. all cleats can break im just saying the metal speedplay ones arent free of failures. wahoo claims the bearings are fully sealed, as a mechanic i can promise you fully sealed does not mean will never fail. you might look at favero claiming 500 charging cycles and think well thats not that many. but a charging cycle is ~50 hours. or 25,000 hours in total use before the capacity starts to decline. that means you probably only get 40 hours on a charge now......which is still pretty dam good since i dont think anyones riding 40 hours a week here and 25k hours is 20 hours a week for 24 years.....i ride 8-12 a week! that means i should get roughly 500 months or a touch over 41 years before the battery life is the issue! my big takeaway while researching is wahoo doesnt even claim a battery life span. thats a big out from them in terms of warranty or standing behind their product. the other glaring issue for me is the inability to service them. bearings do eventually wear out, youll end up with a broken ball/needle or a worn out race and the bearing simply wont work like its supposed to. with the wahoo that means sending in your pedal, letting them do the work (if they even replace them), or replacing the pedal as a whole. youre likely out of your pedals for multiple weeks and paying someone to work on or replace them. while uncommon i can say i got caught in a massive storm once, turns out i couldnt beat it, flooded street literally pushed all the grease out of my pedal bearing. with the old speedplays i was able to regrease and theyre still fine to this day. cant do that with the wahoo powerlink pedals. ive had cartridge bearings go out on wheel sets, 20 bucks and a homemade bearing press and i was good to go again. cant do that with wahoo powerlink pedals. like you said, wahoo wants to keep you in their ecosystem. and while they make good things my interactions with their products and their customer service has been up and down. gen 2 kickr? pretty great, but the cable is damaged and they wont tell me how to fix it (i know how its just annoying that they wont provide the diagram) bolt? good, untill the button covers started coming off leading to an eventual water ingress ruining the screen, wouldnt even talk about taking care of it unless you have the original receipt (if thats the case lemme register the thing online, paper is outta date) those two things make me think they look for ways out of warranty work or helping out the consumer in general. at the end of the day ill go favero moving forward, while i wont throw out my speedplay pedals as theyre pretty great im disappointed wahoo bought them out and made them more of a pain in the ass. id be more willing to stick with speedplay if it didnt seem like wahoo put money a few steps higher on their priority list then the consumer using their products.
Good video. I own the Assioma pedals - I think they're fantastic and at a great price. One comment on your video... I don't think your weight comparison is fully correct. I think you need to include cleat weight and pedal weight together to give the full story.
That is true and I thought about including mine. But since everyone uses different cleats, didn’t think it would be that useful of information. So I just included the pedal weight per spec.
@@SmartBikeTrainers the opposite is true - it's useless to give the weight without cleats because you cannot use the pedals without them; and btw, wether you use Assioma or Look Keo cleats doesn't matter, they are about the same - but the Wahoo/Speedplay cleats with the needed 3-bolt-to-4-bolt-adapter are WAY heavier. So when you compare the overall weight the Wahoo system is significantly heavier than the Assioma (or Assioma/Shimano)
Nice review (as always!). Admit I’m wondering why I’d get either of these vs a 4iiii Precision for half the cost. With 4iiii I can use whatever cleat system I want, no recharging hassle, no Q-factor issues, equally accurate (according to specs), and it only weighs 9 grams. And save several hundreds of dollars. I guess if I have two bikes I can move the pedals between bikes, but I could literally equip two bikes with 4iiii on each at the same cost and save the pedal switch hassle (and use different cleats on road vs mountain).
The battery life is pretty good with the 4iiii and you can possibly save a few hundred dollars. But depending on your components, 4iiii can end up costing you more. Can’t speak on accuracy as I haven’t tested it. Thank for the feedback and watching 🙏🏼
Well done for your video. I was just expecting to see more data comparaison when it comes to how they measure power. Also, stack is not mentioned. Why? I have the Favero and I am looking to collect more detailed information on the Wahoo for a special TT Build.
Excellent video. I have the Assiomas. They are great. I just really dislike how they rock/swing prior to clipping in. I never got used to it. Other than that they are really nice. The Wahoo multiple Bluetooth channels would be a nice to have for sure.
I use Speedplay and they are basically impossible when new with their standard tension cleats since you cannot adjust the tension level the only way is the break them in. After they are broken in you will also need to wash the pedal n cleats frequently because once they are dirty they will not clip in at all
Hello. Please make a comparison between wahoo tickr fit vs polar verity sense. This is what is missing from your channel. Why do you think Wahoo and Polar don't add SpO2 to their products? For many it is important. x
Nice video and quality content - as always. thank you! Currently, I use Quarq power meter on my tt bike and wife's road bike, and stages (single crank) on my road bike. I have never tried pedals power meter. I understand there is a convenience factor (i.e. changing bikes, etc.,) Question for you: would you prefer/recommend crank power (i.e. Quarq) vs. pedal power (i.e. Favero) - or would you say it's the same? Thanks in advance for your feedback!
The argument between pedal base and crank based PM was mainly the type of cleats. Pedal based are so good these days and we have plenty of options to choose from. Personally I would pick pedals over cranks any day for the convenience alone.
As I like Wahoo very much. I don't understand the development of the Wahoo single sided power pendals. If they cut this development the dubbel sided are (cheaper) ?:) But the Assioma option of buy the second one later is cool. Oh I seen a ring between the crank and pendals you showing is that out the box ? Maybe it's better that way because of the torque settings.... charlesm
There is a spacer that you can use between the crank and pedals which I generally use but you don’t have to depending on the type of cranks you have. The single pedal option is there as a cheaper alternative. I’m sure Wahoo will introduce and upgrade kit eventually as supply become more available. But for now it doesn’t exist unfortunately. Thank you for watching 🙏🏼
Probably one of the best investment you could make if you want to get better at cycling when used properly. They are also extremely useful when racing particularly long distance. Personally, I can’t imagine training without one.
HI Tariq :) do you know if either of these will be compatible with Apple Watch OS10 (rc just came out today :) and if so will you have to connect through iPhone or directly through the watch? thanks! God bless you :)
Thanks Tariq :) i assume that either connects to a garmin head unit? and that you can concurrently connect the powerlink pedals to the apple watch and garmin head unit or zwift or other? @@SmartBikeTrainers
Head units generally connect via ANT+ so you should have a BLE channel open to connect to the Apple Watch. As far as Zwift, the power meters will connect to Zwift but if you use Bluetooth then you won’t be able to connect to Apple Watch unless you get the PowrLink pedals Hope that helps.
Just a quick question for you, what is the weight of the cleats? the pedals may be 20g or so different but the look cleats are very light, however i bet the speedplay cleats which have so much more to them are considerably heavier, i don't have any so i don't know but the the cleat should be considered a part of the pedal and its weight.
Wow. Job well done. Im been a speedplay user since 2002. (raced in the early 70s with toe clips on cheese graters :/) Im ready to start using power data but needed to figure out if I need to change from the speedplay system or not. I dont think I will. Thanks for the great info.
Thinking of purchasing the favero assioma! my question is : what road bike shoes do you need for the assioma pedals? Suggestion will greatly be appreciated!
I love my Assioma Duos (had them for about a year and a half now), they're super reliable. I agree with some of the other comments on here that the pedals are too "spinny", though. Even after using them for a long time, I still struggle to clip in on the road sometimes - my old Shimano pedals were much easier to clip into. The new Wahoo speedplay PowerLink pedals look great but they're too expensive for what they are, imo.
Same here. Have the assiomas for about 2 years now and it's still not completely intuitive to clip in. I used shimano pedals on a rental bike last holidays and it felt like I never stopped using shimano. But I still love the assioma and haven't regret the purchase.
100% this. PLUS: The customer support from Favero is incredible. Fast and alwaays helpful in case anything ever comes up. Also pair reliably with hammerhead, garmin and trainerroad on ipad and iphone.
Been with Assioma for about 3 years.
i have speedplays already but my other powermeter decided to die so looking into pedal options. heres what ive learned so far through research
favero tells you how long the battery life will last before it starts to degreade and its user servicable.
wahoo says "well it depends" and you cant service the bearings if they ever need maintenance.
favero lists the max power it gets tested to, wahoo does not.
Q factors are about the same.
look style cleats are typically easier to come across if youre in the middle of a ride and have an issue like a cleat breaks. speedplay style cleats still can have cleat failures as ive had one myself mid sprint when the metal clip broke. pedal into the shin giving 1998 flashbacks as a kid. all cleats can break im just saying the metal speedplay ones arent free of failures.
wahoo claims the bearings are fully sealed, as a mechanic i can promise you fully sealed does not mean will never fail.
you might look at favero claiming 500 charging cycles and think well thats not that many. but a charging cycle is ~50 hours. or 25,000 hours in total use before the capacity starts to decline. that means you probably only get 40 hours on a charge now......which is still pretty dam good since i dont think anyones riding 40 hours a week here and 25k hours is 20 hours a week for 24 years.....i ride 8-12 a week! that means i should get roughly 500 months or a touch over 41 years before the battery life is the issue!
my big takeaway while researching is wahoo doesnt even claim a battery life span. thats a big out from them in terms of warranty or standing behind their product. the other glaring issue for me is the inability to service them. bearings do eventually wear out, youll end up with a broken ball/needle or a worn out race and the bearing simply wont work like its supposed to. with the wahoo that means sending in your pedal, letting them do the work (if they even replace them), or replacing the pedal as a whole. youre likely out of your pedals for multiple weeks and paying someone to work on or replace them. while uncommon i can say i got caught in a massive storm once, turns out i couldnt beat it, flooded street literally pushed all the grease out of my pedal bearing. with the old speedplays i was able to regrease and theyre still fine to this day. cant do that with the wahoo powerlink pedals. ive had cartridge bearings go out on wheel sets, 20 bucks and a homemade bearing press and i was good to go again. cant do that with wahoo powerlink pedals.
like you said, wahoo wants to keep you in their ecosystem. and while they make good things my interactions with their products and their customer service has been up and down. gen 2 kickr? pretty great, but the cable is damaged and they wont tell me how to fix it (i know how its just annoying that they wont provide the diagram) bolt? good, untill the button covers started coming off leading to an eventual water ingress ruining the screen, wouldnt even talk about taking care of it unless you have the original receipt (if thats the case lemme register the thing online, paper is outta date) those two things make me think they look for ways out of warranty work or helping out the consumer in general.
at the end of the day ill go favero moving forward, while i wont throw out my speedplay pedals as theyre pretty great im disappointed wahoo bought them out and made them more of a pain in the ass. id be more willing to stick with speedplay if it didnt seem like wahoo put money a few steps higher on their priority list then the consumer using their products.
Good video. I own the Assioma pedals - I think they're fantastic and at a great price.
One comment on your video... I don't think your weight comparison is fully correct. I think you need to include cleat weight and pedal weight together to give the full story.
That is true and I thought about including mine. But since everyone uses different cleats, didn’t think it would be that useful of information. So I just included the pedal weight per spec.
@@SmartBikeTrainers the opposite is true - it's useless to give the weight without cleats because you cannot use the pedals without them; and btw, wether you use Assioma or Look Keo cleats doesn't matter, they are about the same - but the Wahoo/Speedplay cleats with the needed 3-bolt-to-4-bolt-adapter are WAY heavier. So when you compare the overall weight the Wahoo system is significantly heavier than the Assioma (or Assioma/Shimano)
Nice review (as always!). Admit I’m wondering why I’d get either of these vs a 4iiii Precision for half the cost. With 4iiii I can use whatever cleat system I want, no recharging hassle, no Q-factor issues, equally accurate (according to specs), and it only weighs 9 grams. And save several hundreds of dollars. I guess if I have two bikes I can move the pedals between bikes, but I could literally equip two bikes with 4iiii on each at the same cost and save the pedal switch hassle (and use different cleats on road vs mountain).
The battery life is pretty good with the 4iiii and you can possibly save a few hundred dollars. But depending on your components, 4iiii can end up costing you more. Can’t speak on accuracy as I haven’t tested it. Thank for the feedback and watching 🙏🏼
First!! Nice comparison;)
Wahoo for me!
Thanks for watching sir 🙏🏼
Well done for your video. I was just expecting to see more data comparaison when it comes to how they measure power. Also, stack is not mentioned.
Why? I have the Favero and I am looking to collect more detailed information on the Wahoo for a special TT Build.
Excellent video. I have the Assiomas. They are great. I just really dislike how they rock/swing prior to clipping in. I never got used to it. Other than that they are really nice. The Wahoo multiple Bluetooth channels would be a nice to have for sure.
They do seem to rock more than KEO pedals. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
That’s why I sold mine. I thought F it. And I’m a speed play fanboy now.
Would love to hear about ease of clipping in out of each type, that is my main concern and reason I choose flat pedals for now.
I use Speedplay and they are basically impossible when new with their standard tension cleats since you cannot adjust the tension level the only way is the break them in. After they are broken in you will also need to wash the pedal n cleats frequently because once they are dirty they will not clip in at all
I have the Garmin power peaks pedals, they work for now
Hello. Please make a comparison between wahoo tickr fit vs polar verity sense. This is what is missing from your channel. Why do you think Wahoo and Polar don't add SpO2 to their products? For many it is important. x
Excelente video... solo quiero saber uds que recomiendan... potenciometro de viela o de pedal. gracias
assioma are the best
Nice video and quality content - as always. thank you! Currently, I use Quarq power meter on my tt bike and wife's road bike, and stages (single crank) on my road bike. I have never tried pedals power meter. I understand there is a convenience factor (i.e. changing bikes, etc.,) Question for you: would you prefer/recommend crank power (i.e. Quarq) vs. pedal power (i.e. Favero) - or would you say it's the same? Thanks in advance for your feedback!
The argument between pedal base and crank based PM was mainly the type of cleats. Pedal based are so good these days and we have plenty of options to choose from. Personally I would pick pedals over cranks any day for the convenience alone.
@@SmartBikeTrainers Thanks!!
As I like Wahoo very much.
I don't understand the development of the Wahoo single sided power pendals.
If they cut this development the dubbel sided are (cheaper) ?:)
But the Assioma option of buy the second one later is cool.
Oh I seen a ring between the crank and pendals you showing is that out the box ?
Maybe it's better that way because of the torque settings....
charlesm
There is a spacer that you can use between the crank and pedals which I generally use but you don’t have to depending on the type of cranks you have.
The single pedal option is there as a cheaper alternative. I’m sure Wahoo will introduce and upgrade kit eventually as supply become more available. But for now it doesn’t exist unfortunately. Thank you for watching 🙏🏼
Amazing.
te ha faltado en la comparativa los Garmin Rally
How useful are power meters in real life? Have thought about buying some but not sure what benefits i would get…
Probably one of the best investment you could make if you want to get better at cycling when used properly. They are also extremely useful when racing particularly long distance. Personally, I can’t imagine training without one.
Assiomas!
HI Tariq :) do you know if either of these will be compatible with Apple Watch OS10 (rc just came out today :) and if so will you have to connect through iPhone or directly through the watch? thanks! God bless you :)
They are both compatible and will connect directly to the Apple Watch not through the phone 🙂
Thanks Tariq :) i assume that either connects to a garmin head unit? and that you can concurrently connect the powerlink pedals to the apple watch and garmin head unit or zwift or other? @@SmartBikeTrainers
Head units generally connect via ANT+ so you should have a BLE channel open to connect to the Apple Watch. As far as Zwift, the power meters will connect to Zwift but if you use Bluetooth then you won’t be able to connect to Apple Watch unless you get the PowrLink pedals Hope that helps.
Totally helps thanks Tariq God bless you :)@@SmartBikeTrainers
Hey do you know if the powerlink pedals can link to Zwift directly?
You can pair them to zwift as power and cadence using ANT+ or Bluetooth
@@SmartBikeTrainers
Thanks
Im a fat slob, can this hold 330 lbs?
Hi, per specs, the Assioma has a maximum rider weight limit of 265lbs and Wahoo Powrlinks has a 250lbs limit.
wahoo overpriced, also assioma is now offering a 3 year warranty with a new purchase this month, and you can also purchase an extra years warranty.
Yes, I got an email the other day to extend my warranty. Nice touch by Favero.
Wahoo really doesn't like Canadians, both the POWRLINK and ROLLR are unavailable here. 🙁
Ugh… that’s frustrating. Looks like a supply issue as everyone seem to be suffering with that right now. Hopefully they will become available soon 🙏🏼
Just a quick question for you, what is the weight of the cleats? the pedals may be 20g or so different but the look cleats are very light, however i bet the speedplay cleats which have so much more to them are considerably heavier, i don't have any so i don't know but the the cleat should be considered a part of the pedal and its weight.
Wow. Job well done. Im been a speedplay user since 2002. (raced in the early 70s with toe clips on cheese graters :/) Im ready to start using power data but needed to figure out if I need to change from the speedplay system or not. I dont think I will. Thanks for the great info.
You never looked at torque effectiveness, therefore it's useless??
If you never looked at power, would be useless also??
The Q factor for Assioma's SPD-SL model is quite a bit bigger than their Look pedal version. Could be a deal breaker for some riders.
Right, I missed mentioning that in the video. About +10-11mm more which can be an issue for some like you said.
THX for this VDO, always good to have this kind of comparison
Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
Thinking of purchasing the favero assioma! my question is : what road bike shoes do you need for the assioma pedals? Suggestion will greatly be appreciated!
Any road bike shoes that are compatible with 3-bolt cleats should work.