1. Pick thinner seats, most are way to wide, the arms and seat. You can find cheap recliners that almost look like mini's until you sit in them and they are fine. 2. Only the designer/owner really notice or care about mlp and everyone else have no clue, they don't notice any of the crap we do. 3. Definelty push closer to the tv, as casuals appreaciate that better. The screen can be modified to actaully angle in, several ways to tilt the lower screen in.
I moved my couch and my TV closer. Makes the way TV larger. I took your advice on a different podcast and crossfired my speakers. The sweet spot is so big now! Really helps with the 5' front speaker distance.
Matt - I am super excited that you are dealing with your own theater and restraints. Not that I am glad that you are but I am super excited that you get to live with it. I think this is really beneficial to your future endeavors professionally. And as a channel - I think this is something that translates well to people that have had this experience and running through all these things personally. But for someone that isn’t experience like you or like me ( I say this lightly) but I am in the industry and developing my own currently. This could be an over the head moment. But as I watch this comes to a contemplation that hiring a professional is highly needed. Building a theater is highly complex and highly specific which has always made it hard for anyone to make it happen. But happen well. I have waited for you to make your own channel. Watching you at Audioholics. That platform is great. Just keep up with your own work. I love your videos. Hope some of not all of this makes sense. “Just keep swimming”. It’s great.
I enjoy how you include real life situations and compromises. In my field of work, everything works on paper but the architects and designers don’t always catch all the real world challenges.
I started pushing myself to think about that and put that into the videos because I was getting a lot of folks pushing the precise calculations. Things must be exactly this way. But I do this for a living and I work with the top professionals int he industry. I know that we don't work that way. We make compromises all the time. We often discuss which compromise is the most acceptable compromise. In fact, we have discussed that the real mark of a good engineer is knowing how to make these compromises in ways that don't or minimally compromise performance. I think the fact that we don't make this clear to the end users gives a false perception that it must be exact or there is a problem. That if speakers are in the wrong location, sound is ruined. It could be, a left speaker behind you is obviously not going to work. A Left speaker only 10 degrees apart from a center speaker also wont work. But a ceiling speaker thats even 10 degrees off in position probably won't compromise things that much. A wide speaker that is a little too close in aperture to the L-R's or side surrounds is also probably more ok than people realize. Why? Because we have a big cone of confusion on the sides of our head (that also extends vertically, as its a cone) that makes it so we just can't really detect sound correctly in those areas. Sounds to the side of us are easily localized as to the side, but exactly where is extremally difficult. That gives us a ton of flexibility for speaker placement.
@@PoesAcoustics speaking of compromises. I spoke with our local Maxxon rep whom is looking into getting me some Gypsum. Because of height limitations on the main floor, they recommended that I use Genie Mat FF from Pliteq. I won’t have as much mass but I will have an uncoupled floor with an air gap. With the thinner 3/4” pour the floor will have less give.
I prioritised (sliding)movable seats - so when it's just me and the Mrs (99% of the time) they're both close/shared to optimal position. Then when I need four rows at a squeeze, I accept everything becomes compromised BUT we all don't stress about the audio because we're all enjoying the movie together socially. Happy days!
I have a small (12’x14’) high-end dedicated room with 1 row of 3 seats. Overflow goes to beanbags in front on the floor. My dealer/integrator recommended this and it’s been perfect. The room is optimized for basically myself, and the guests couldn’t probably care less anyways 😂
Great video and something I have been thinking alot about. Balancing the best viewing angle vs best sound. You don’t talk much about the choosing the seating distance and getting it in the best position relative to room modes - I wonder if measuring the bass response while moving the seats forward or back to make sure the primary seating position is not in a bad null would be something to add to the mix in addition to optimizing viewing angle- I am thinking this would be one the first things to do, after which would be placing the surrounds and atmos locations …its seems this balancing act is pretty complicated and involved
Great idea with seating. If your after feedback from your guests, place them in the prime position. I look forward to how you treat the back wall. I'm thinking a lot of diffusion behind the seats. A lot of people talk about the vertical angular corner absorption. Others say it doesn't do much. Rather than vertically in the corners, I wonder how a smaller about running it horizontally around the corners of the entire ceiling and wall. A good movie puts the focus on the screen.
Actually diffusion behind the seats is not really a good idea. It’s an old studio treatment idea that want a good idea there and isn’t here. Diffusion behind the seats like that tends to place the listeners into a really phasie area that sounds bizarre and sends the brain signals it can’t easily process. There are diffusers that have a very short nearfield to farfield critical distance but I still much prefer a form of absorption. Diffusion on the back wall is useful but not directly behind the seats.
Hi Matt can u do a video on the speaker Toe in. There seems to be some confusion on every youtuber giving different opinions on it. I saw in one of the interviews of Anthony Grimani where he said in a HT setup Toe in isnt reqd and modern speakers have better dispersion. Also want to know how is it possible to toe in for behind the screen speakers or below the screen On wall spkrs. One has to keep LR spkrs outside screen to toe in... Let us know ur thoughts in a video if possible.
I used to have only 2 seats and truth be told, I will and always have primarily watched movies alone. However, I really wanted the option to have more seating so we could use the theater with parties. Even if its only once or twice a year. It makes me somehow feel like it was a more worthy investment of time and space. I also wanted my space to serve as a lab and this helps me to play with ideas that impact multiple seats. Not that I can't measure spatial areas where seats would be without having them, but given a choice, I would rather also have the seats.
lol yeah I have two seats, with one centered and the second offset. Really my gf and I fit on one so it can be up to three people. Other than my gf, people don't want to watch a movie that much. I have my mates over and we banter and drink in the living room, movie watching is inherently fairly anti-social. My theater is only like 16.5' deep too, so a second row really gets too tight.
@@commanderrussels2612 I'm still building my room but my MLP will also be bang centre with the other seat just to the right of it, which is where the Mrs will be getting sat if I ever let her in. To be fair she's couldn't care less & listens to music on a Google Nest speaker & watches movies on an iPad so I wasn't going to compromise my MLP for the odd occasion that philistine joins me 😅
I appreciate Matt’s videos, their educational content and how many different videos on so many topics he is putting out. That is alot of time and work- not nice to criticize like that 😮
1. Pick thinner seats, most are way to wide, the arms and seat. You can find cheap recliners that almost look like mini's until you sit in them and they are fine.
2. Only the designer/owner really notice or care about mlp and everyone else have no clue, they don't notice any of the crap we do.
3. Definelty push closer to the tv, as casuals appreaciate that better. The screen can be modified to actaully angle in, several ways to tilt the lower screen in.
I moved my couch and my TV closer. Makes the way TV larger. I took your advice on a different podcast and crossfired my speakers. The sweet spot is so big now! Really helps with the 5' front speaker distance.
Matt - I am super excited that you are dealing with your own theater and restraints.
Not that I am glad that you are but I am super excited that you get to live with it. I think this is really beneficial to your future endeavors professionally.
And as a channel - I think this is something that translates well to people that have had this experience and running through all these things personally.
But for someone that isn’t experience like you or like me ( I say this lightly) but I am in the industry and developing my own currently.
This could be an over the head moment. But as I watch this comes to a contemplation that hiring a professional is highly needed.
Building a theater is highly complex and highly specific which has always made it hard for anyone to make it happen. But happen well.
I have waited for you to make your own channel. Watching you at Audioholics. That platform is great.
Just keep up with your own work. I love your videos. Hope some of not all of this makes sense.
“Just keep swimming”. It’s great.
I enjoy how you include real life situations and compromises. In my field of work, everything works on paper but the architects and designers don’t always catch all the real world challenges.
I started pushing myself to think about that and put that into the videos because I was getting a lot of folks pushing the precise calculations. Things must be exactly this way. But I do this for a living and I work with the top professionals int he industry. I know that we don't work that way. We make compromises all the time. We often discuss which compromise is the most acceptable compromise. In fact, we have discussed that the real mark of a good engineer is knowing how to make these compromises in ways that don't or minimally compromise performance.
I think the fact that we don't make this clear to the end users gives a false perception that it must be exact or there is a problem. That if speakers are in the wrong location, sound is ruined. It could be, a left speaker behind you is obviously not going to work. A Left speaker only 10 degrees apart from a center speaker also wont work. But a ceiling speaker thats even 10 degrees off in position probably won't compromise things that much. A wide speaker that is a little too close in aperture to the L-R's or side surrounds is also probably more ok than people realize. Why? Because we have a big cone of confusion on the sides of our head (that also extends vertically, as its a cone) that makes it so we just can't really detect sound correctly in those areas. Sounds to the side of us are easily localized as to the side, but exactly where is extremally difficult. That gives us a ton of flexibility for speaker placement.
@@PoesAcoustics speaking of compromises. I spoke with our local Maxxon rep whom is looking into getting me some Gypsum. Because of height limitations on the main floor, they recommended that I use Genie Mat FF from Pliteq. I won’t have as much mass but I will have an uncoupled floor with an air gap. With the thinner 3/4” pour the floor will have less give.
I prioritised (sliding)movable seats - so when it's just me and the Mrs (99% of the time) they're both close/shared to optimal position. Then when I need four rows at a squeeze, I accept everything becomes compromised BUT we all don't stress about the audio because we're all enjoying the movie together socially. Happy days!
I have a small (12’x14’) high-end dedicated room with 1 row of 3 seats. Overflow goes to beanbags in front on the floor. My dealer/integrator recommended this and it’s been perfect. The room is optimized for basically myself, and the guests couldn’t probably care less anyways 😂
That’s a great approach.
Great video and something I have been thinking alot about. Balancing the best viewing angle vs best sound. You don’t talk much about the choosing the seating distance and getting it in the best position relative to room modes - I wonder if measuring the bass response while moving the seats forward or back to make sure the primary seating position is not in a bad null would be something to add to the mix in addition to optimizing viewing angle- I am thinking this would be one the first things to do, after which would be placing the surrounds and atmos locations …its seems this balancing act is pretty complicated and involved
Nicolae, thank you for your support of my Channel. I’ll shoot a video and answer your question when I come back from my trip to London
@@PoesAcoustics Enjoy London! 😀
Great idea with seating. If your after feedback from your guests, place them in the prime position. I look forward to how you treat the back wall. I'm thinking a lot of diffusion behind the seats.
A lot of people talk about the vertical angular corner absorption. Others say it doesn't do much. Rather than vertically in the corners, I wonder how a smaller about running it horizontally around the corners of the entire ceiling and wall. A good movie puts the focus on the screen.
Actually diffusion behind the seats is not really a good idea. It’s an old studio treatment idea that want a good idea there and isn’t here.
Diffusion behind the seats like that tends to place the listeners into a really phasie area that sounds bizarre and sends the brain signals it can’t easily process. There are diffusers that have a very short nearfield to farfield critical distance but I still much prefer a form of absorption. Diffusion on the back wall is useful but not directly behind the seats.
@@PoesAcoustics Knowledge is power, thankyou!
Very interesting! But do you see in many home theaters people sit TOO far from the screen/TV?
Hi Matt can u do a video on the speaker Toe in.
There seems to be some confusion on every youtuber giving different opinions on it.
I saw in one of the interviews of Anthony Grimani where he said in a HT setup Toe in isnt reqd and modern speakers have better dispersion. Also want to know how is it possible to toe in for behind the screen speakers or below the screen On wall spkrs. One has to keep LR spkrs outside screen to toe in...
Let us know ur thoughts in a video if possible.
How wide is the room?
My room is 15.5’ roughly.
Only 2 seats in my HT, one of the benefits of being antisocial 😅
I used to have only 2 seats and truth be told, I will and always have primarily watched movies alone. However, I really wanted the option to have more seating so we could use the theater with parties. Even if its only once or twice a year. It makes me somehow feel like it was a more worthy investment of time and space.
I also wanted my space to serve as a lab and this helps me to play with ideas that impact multiple seats. Not that I can't measure spatial areas where seats would be without having them, but given a choice, I would rather also have the seats.
lol yeah I have two seats, with one centered and the second offset. Really my gf and I fit on one so it can be up to three people. Other than my gf, people don't want to watch a movie that much. I have my mates over and we banter and drink in the living room, movie watching is inherently fairly anti-social. My theater is only like 16.5' deep too, so a second row really gets too tight.
@@PoesAcoustics Makes sense 😀
@@commanderrussels2612 I'm still building my room but my MLP will also be bang centre with the other seat just to the right of it, which is where the Mrs will be getting sat if I ever let her in. To be fair she's couldn't care less & listens to music on a Google Nest speaker & watches movies on an iPad so I wasn't going to compromise my MLP for the odd occasion that philistine joins me 😅
I have 5, but only 1 gets used.😂
Please put a little more effort on your videos.
LESS talking head…
MORE B roll or videos of what you are talking about
😮💨
Maybe in the future. For now this is what I can give you. I just have too much on my plate.
I appreciate Matt’s videos, their educational content and how many different videos on so many topics he is putting out. That is alot of time and work- not nice to criticize like that 😮