What Does it Mean to be the Image of God?
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In this video, we look at the ancient near eastern context to understand what it means to be called the image of God.
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Science and Religion - Joshua Moritz
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Natures, Human Nature, Genes, and Souls - Joshua Moritz
Old Testament Theology - Horst Preuss
The Liberating Image - J. Richard Middleton
The Lost World of Genesis - John Walton
The Lost World of Adam and Eve - John Walton
Dictionary of the Old Testament - T. Desmond Alexander, David W. Baker
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I actually learned all this during my conversion to Orthodox Christianity!
asvthe devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .
@@a.39886 What are you talking about?
@@GeoffBosco ikr some of these young earther's are wayyyyyyyy too paranoid. the amount of skepticism they have againgst science is the same sort atheist's use against religeon. Young earthers want us to believe that all world governments are conspiring to lie about the age of the universe or whatever, and atheists want us to believe that somehow the church managed to erase history without anyone noticing and without any evidence of it. Honestly don't care how old the universe is or if evolution is real, it's CHRISTianity, not Creationanity
@@a.39886 We are still unique if he called us to be set apart from the rest of the universe
Same, I'm a Catechumen
Not a Christian but IP I really enjoy your vids. Religion has always been interesting to me and love learning about them
Where are you now in your beliefs?
Yes I was like you I accepted Jesus as my Lord and savior I cried when I accepted Jesus I realized his endless love world is untrustworthy Jesus loves you and not Just that he has gift of holy spirit for you and CHRISTIANITY IS ONLY WORLDWIDE TRUE and different from all other religions.
Jesus is the way,truth and life
Believe in him and repent
God bless you. I hope you see the truth and love that God has for you in the Bible
Bless, you. You are on the right path to being saved, and I hope you find the way. People think they need to rush each other to believe, but that is not the way, you need to guide them as they follow the path, you need to teach them slowly and don't overload them. If you do rush them, they will be skeptical, and will start to doubt, if they start to doubt, they start to argue and then will encounter something that is better than the house of an angry person who isn't welcoming. And if you have started to believe, welcome.
I've learned more from this channel in a couple of months than I have in years of Bible study and reading and I can only thank Michael Jones for his thorough yet empathetic approach to the Bible. Meeting of the minds can bring Salvation to many people who testified to that on this channel.
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@Bibleproject is even more interesting. Also when I look it up Bara means create something out of nothing, now I am lost.
It's easy to come to a wrong conclusion when you take scripture out of context. Genesis is not a book on its own, but is supported by the entire scriptures. Keeping things in perspective brings one to an entirely different understanding.
Different to what? It is a concern that IP seems to start with an evolutionary presumption to structure his world view, with Walton almost adopting a pagan 'cosmos as given' with man's materiality grounded in matter which is never explained. Thus the change in 'bara' from its historic underatanding.
Human is the only being GOD made with his hands and breathed life on according to the Bible (Genesis 2:7) , everything else was spoken into existence
That's very interesting, I'll have to look into that.
Not true! See Genesis 2 and the garden. God formed the beast and birds from the ground. This means God created right in front of Adam. I am only guessing but God created only the clean animals in front of Adam. All other birds came from the sea in Genesis 1.
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Jay Thomas you’re right, out of the ground they were formed by GOD’s Hand, but he didn’t breathe life into them which differentiate us from animals, as man was also given dominion over animals by GOD
@@tetelestai5736 Right but it's what the breathe represents. A living Spirit. Angels are spiritual beings with souls. They are immortal also.
Jay Thomas nope, it doesn’t state that anywhere. They were formed and spoken to live, it doesn’t say GOD breathed into their nostrils as He did with man, let’s not add to text
I am mind-blown!!! The best video on The Imago Dei I've ever seen 🔥🔥🔥 Great teaching
Thank you
Spirit and soul are defining living properties. Imago Dei is a matter of kingship and judgement, dominion, responsibility.
Choice in moral application.
It is more, IMO. It goes to being able to be in communion with Gd. This is defining of man. iP reverses the hierarchy. Image is prime, and the other aspects: material and soulishness, etc are subordinate to this.
I myself would probably consider myself an old earth creationist but I find it very hard from scripture to say that adam and eve weren’t the first humans. throughout the bible it seems to me that they are constantly referred to as the first humans. why wouldn’t the author of genesis just say they weren’t the first humans? i’m not hating and actually love your videos
Also, isn't the exact meaning of the verb "bara" irrelevant seeing as the Bible says that Adam was created from dust and Eve was created from Adam's rib? IP seems to have taken the verse out of context to try to make it mean "assigned" rather than "created," but it doesn't make sense at all to assign something out of dust or out of a rib...
Just look at them as archetypes of the earliest humans. Adam representing the earliest males and Eve representing the earileist females, it doesn't necessarily have to be literally one man and one woman. But if you want to go deeper, i believe Adam represents the Soul and Eve represents the Body. Reread it in this context and it works.
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That interpretation seems to imply a denial of a literal Adam. That's if you're saying think of Adam as an abstraction of early mankind
@Thesirevn, I think it's far more believable if it is.
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I'm a YEC reformed Christian. Believability is a measure of whether God regenerates you and whether you are sanctified.
What an eye opener! Excellent video once again! I am happy I ever found your channel and I've gained a lot more insight into these things thanks to you and your great work!
Thank you so much, IP! This made the concept of our being in God's image so much clearer to me.
the devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .n
I believe that being the image of God refers to the roles we play in the world. God is king of the universe, and He made us to have dominion over the earth. He is the lawgiver, and He calls us to know right from wrong. We parallel God in many ways, so I think it's a bit of a mix of the second two.
God very clearly "called" Abram. God very clearly "created" Adam. We are clearly taught the call of Abraham, as well as the call of servants in the NT. Why wouldn't a call of Adam be as clear?
It is if you understand the meaning of "bara" and what the imago dei is.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Here's the problem with Imago Dei being moralistic: God clearly doesn't understand "right" nor "wrong"; all He knows in that regard, is His whim, and so He substitutes what is in tune with His whims as "right", and what is against them as "wrong". Failing this, God is amoral, as is clearly shown by how He created Adam and Eve: amoral, ignorant, and gullible, believing all they were told.
The alternative is that morality has other sources independent of God, and beyond God's control, and thus God is ontologically able to do "wrong", this makes more sense given how God even brags several times in both Testaments that He is able to do His own evil.
So, being in the Imago Dei is a terrible thing and will most likely see you locked up and the key thrown away; God doesn't understand morality, yet humans do. God is irrational, yet humans are rational.
Because God doesn't understand morality, He created humans expecting them to merely obey Him without question and without hesitation. But because He created them ignorant and gullible, this backfired. But then again that was part of God's plan; Psalm 139, I believe, flatters God's authority, power, and fine-tuning, to the point that it writes off free will as nothing more than an illusion. This re-subjects God to the charge of being the author of evil, per knowing that Heylél, if _he_ is even evil in the first place, and Adam, would play out their respective performances in Heaven and Eden.
@Rohan Zener I have never heard such foolishness come out of a person's mouth! You are very presumptuous to think and believe that man understands the mind of God! And you sin in calling God irrational! Please ask yourself, *'How can wisdom (rationality) be born from folly (irrationality)?'* God is Truth and never contradicts Himself; therefore it follows that nature will not harm itself; and, it follows that morality is that which is true and does not contradict itself (i.e. it is rational): therefore folly, death, and immorality (irrationality) all contradict themselves and Truth who is God (rational). Which category do you fall in?
@@jeremiahcastro9700 People who respond emotionally like that, like yourself evidently, fall under folly.
I'll quote a Proverbs passage, and give context for it, it's about the feasts prepared and hosted by Wisdom and Folly, and this is the NIV version:
Wisdom has built her house; she has set up its seven pillars;
She has prepared meat and mixed wine, and also set her table.
She has sent out her servants, and she calls from the highest point of the city,
"Let all who are simple come to my house;" to those who have no sense, she says:
"Come, eat my food and drink the wine I have mixed. Leave your simple ways and you shall live; walk in the way of insight.
Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults; whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.
Do not rebuke mockers, or they will hate you; rebuke the wise and they shall love you.
Instruct the wise and they shall be wiser still; teach the righteous and they shall add to their learning.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
For through wisdom your days shall be many, and years added to your life.
If you are wise, your wisdom shall reward you; if you mock, you alone shall suffer."
The pillars here, are the pillars of society, and the "simple" are those who fail on at least one "pillar".
@@TheRojo387 So your logic is that people who speak emotionally are irrational and foolish? That is another sign of folly from you as that would mean people crying while speaking at funerals are irrational people...sigh...and you completely quoted that passage from _Proverbs_ out of context. If you compare _Proverbs 9:1 ff._ with _Proverbs 8_ you will see that Wisdom dwelt with God before He created the world and all that is in the world: therefore the pillars of Wisdom's house are not referring to people in society, but instead her literal house which she lives in and built herself. And if you read _Proverbs 9_ carefully Wisdom and Folly have their own houses in which they are hosting their feasts, they are not hosting two parties in the same house.
this is my favorite topic; I specialize in christian anthropology
Tell us about the old saints who rose from their graves to testify of Christ after He gave up His Spirit, plz. Did they go back to their graves or translate? Were there graves of commoners nearby? I can't see Jesus using many superstars for His work.
@@slukky One account or idea about the old saints that rose from the dead out of their graves at Jerusalem, on the day that Jesus Christ was crucified: they were taken up to heaven with Jesus to appear before God as the 'First Fruits' of the dead (righteous saints). Thus Jesus fulfilled the Passover by his death (sacrificial death) and then the adjoining festival of First Fruits. This is why Jesus would not allow Mary (Magdalene) to touch him (before he ascended to heaven for this First Fruits offering of the old saints)- this would have made him unclean for the offering (she would be allowed to touch him once this was accomplished). I heard this amazing connection from Michael Rood.
@@thruthebook thanks!
Bless you brother this channel has educated me more than anything else I've ever seen it's good to see comments like yours that testified to this as being effective. God bless you
@@thruthebook I heard this from josh McDowell and Ahmed deedat debate. Josh is the best
There’s a difference between image and likeness.... what he’s explaining is the likeness of God. God has features. He created us in his image AND his likeness.
I'm glad you caught that he is not aware of something above all this. Everthing is
done for his own Glory that he wants to share with his likeness spirit children (John 4:24) the creation is for election in gen 1:26
Bara is spiritual creation. We were created in his image as spiritual children and when it
Was our time we took residencey on earth in his likeness 3 but1 like him.
TRINITY...triune man 1 thess 5:23 and 1 cor 3:16 we are now the temporary Temple of God where God the son. God the Holy Spirit currently dwells within with our regenerated human spirit
ROM 8:15-16. and in the final prcess which is Glorifification where we recieve our original designed dwelling place John 14:6 where the Father moves in his fullness Father son and Holy spirit we are one...GB
Then why are we not invisible?
@@jensandersen7011 can you see your spirit ? Can you see your thoughts? Both things are invisible aspect of humans
@@christianpathfinder6864 Is god that looking then?
@@christianpathfinder6864 ua-cam.com/video/mEAd8Es0Q3M/v-deo.html
This channel has truly changed my life.
One issue I have is in Gensis 1, day and night (light and darkness) are separated twice. On day one and day four. What was the purpose of this? Why was it separated twice? This leads me to believe Genesis 1 is more poetic than literal
Interesting question, but I think you read the double separation into the text, if I may be so bold. God separates Light and Darkness (the absence of light) on day 1, but on day four it is specifically about the sun, moon and stars. If you read day 4 carefully, you see that the heavenly objects were created for more than the separation of day and night, i.e. also for signs, seasons, and years.
In other words, Light and Darkness weren't separated twice, but once on day 1, and on day 4 God made heavenly objects especially for the day and night. I hope you will consider this as some food for thought. :)
Honestly where was this channel when I was a teenager wrestling with the supposed 6 literal days of creation. Thank you for this video, God bless you and the ideas you summarise in your videos.
This channel solidified my belief in God so much more where now it’s not even a belief it’s knowledge of his existence. Thank you, I hope I meet you in Paradise someday.
People who are working at a secular job 8 hours a day need to set aside about an hour at least each day to listen to this channel to be well grounded in the things of God which will spill over into the things that we have to deal with daily. I'm retired so today I read a whole book by Michael Heiser. Most can't do that but we can listen to this Channel and benefit from the truths that are brought forth here.
the devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .nz
Brilliant. Thank you.
“All heroes are shadows of Christ” - John Piper
Gary Grant wow. This is beautiful
I looked up the hebrew phrase image of god, and the word tselem basically means shadow. Well, without light there can be no shadow :) just sharing
Only “heroes”? What does that mean?
@@GeoffBosco it means they are one of the closest pictures of what Christ is. A real hero sacrifices so much for those weaker than him and gives up much of himself for the life and well being of others. Military soldiers, police, firefighters, mothers, and fathers fulfill that role to an extreme degree, which makes them heroes.
"And God saith, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that is creeping on the earth,’" (Gen. 1:26).
Some people think that being made in the image of God deals with the physical likeness as if God has a body of flesh and blood. This is not the case. Jesus tells us that God, in reference to the Father, is spirit (John 4:24) and the spirit does not have flesh and bones (Luke 24:39). Therefore, it cannot be true that we are made in the image of God the Father in the sense that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones.
So then, what does it mean to be made in the image of God? It means that we are made in His likeness in that we have some of the same attributes that God has. For example, God is rational (Isaiah 1:18) and so are we. God can love (John 3:16) and so can we. God can hate (Psalm 5:5; 11:5) and so can we. Because we are made in God's image, we are able to have compassion, mercy, grace, fellowship, friendship, etc. However, as God is all-knowing, we are not. God is ever present, but we are not.
So, the image of God in us means that we are like Him in some, not all, of His attributes.
That is not completely true.
@@htoodoh5770 the devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .ahqh1
I would agree, except that many animals can also love (dogs, swans and other birds, for example), some animals can be called "rational" (due to experiments with Chimpanzees, ravenes/crows/corvids, possibly octopuses, etc.).
I don’t know how you can ignore something like this. Sorry but I disagree with this part of the video where you claim there were humans before Adam
“But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:6-7 KJVA
And the part about Eve being made from the rib of Adam. Also this theory of yours throws out the entire concept of “Original Sin”. Why would other humans inherit sin if two individuals in a garden ate of the forbidden?
How did we inherit salvation? God imputed righteousness. Hence...
exactly!!
I do not hold the theistic evolution interpretation of biblical origins. Mainly because I cannot reconcile it with the historicity of Adam and Eve, the image of God, and the comparison of Adam and Jesus in the book of Romans. However, this video is the best presentation of how a theologian who supports theistic evolution could also uphold the doctrine historicity, image bearers, and first and second Adam that are obviously taught by revealed knowledge.
Historicity of Adam and Eve answered: yes; they existed. the bible never actually says they were the first. There is evidence from the bible that they WEREN’T the first- Gen. 1 God created mankind; male and female. But AFTER that is when Adam and Eve were created. Also, when Cain (Adam and Eve’s one of their first children) killed Abel, he was scared of other people out there. Also, he finds a wife and builds a city. Clearly, the bible teaches that Adam and Eve weren’t the first, as there was also other humans around.
Image of God answered: the Image of God is an election point, and Adam and Eve were the first ones to be elected.
Hope that helps, btw I accept theistic evolution.
Thank you for these videos. They have helped me find faith again
Hallelujah! Great insights. I love that I am the Image of God through Christ. Be blessed
This is what we call in Eastern Orthodox Christianity as Theosis.
God became man so that we can partake of his divine nature. As our beloved saint Peter said:
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given to us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And also taught by the Eastern Orthodox Church for 2000 years;
That man is sick and the sickness are our passions,
The Seven deadly sins
Lust.
Gluttony.
Greed.
Sloth.
Wrath.
Envy.
Pride.
Tha passions of the flesh are Keeping us from partaking of the nature of God.
The Church is a hospital that helps and cure the passions so that we can be as God created as to be His image and eternal companion.
So If you to church and you don't get cured there something wrong with your church.
The lives of the saints are the testimonies that Theosis is possible with God grace .
May God have mercy on us all. May the love and grace of our Savior Jesus Christ be with us always. God bless.
Other scriptures:
Ephesians 4:13
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.
Ephesians 4:24
and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
Hebrews 12:10
Our fathers disciplined us for a short time as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share in His holiness.
James 1:27
Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
2 Peter 2:18
With lofty but empty words, they appeal to the sensual passions of the flesh and entice the ones who are just escaping from those who live in error.
2 Peter 2:19
They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves to corruption. For a man is a slave to whatever has overcome him.
2 Peter 2:20
If indeed they have escaped the corruption of the world through their knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, only to be entangled and overcome by it again, their final condition is worse than it was at first.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:13
But in keeping with God's promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
1 John 3:2
Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
I love your videos they are amazing. They help me appreciate Christianity more and they help me reason better. Thank you and God Bless.
I agree with all you said Robert - IP's vids are brilliant & have encouraged me in my walk with Jesus so much :o)
@@dan4Jesus2012 asfthe devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .
Your videos are sooo good man, I really enjoy the objective perspective of the scriptures. I really encourage you to continue, no matter the views, it helps so many people.
the devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .the devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .vb
I appreciate the logic and the thorough thought behind this.
I don't actively try to divide over creation/evolution between believers, but I do believe in a young earth creation. That is just my own bias, I'm not going to sell it or close my ears to another view.
However, at some point, I think we can agree that something came into being at at a specific time since only God has always existed. So creation, as in material manifestation, occurred at a point in time, which is no less a miracle than DNA being formed and functional uniquely out of dust.
One thing that really hit me with why I think that even if you read Genesis "literally" (meaning through our modern perspective, not necessarily understanding everything about the original text)... one can easily get to an old-earth, young-life system. Let me explain. Genesis 1:1-2 reads:
"In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. "
Now, I think that it is not a stretch to believe that Genesis 1:2 is not describing *The* *Beginning*, because there was the Earth.... already there.... covered in water. This fits into what Walton (the scholar referred to in this video, whose videos on Genesis you can watch on UA-cam... some of which make good points... some of which I think are maybe a little reductionistic... idk?) describes and people who are interested in mythology as 'the forming of order out of chaos', which also is something that fits into what is said of God in Job. It also fits in with the idea of water being chaos and uncertainty and from this perspective makes sense why in Revelation in the New Earth there will not be an ocean.
(See 8:45 - 10:35 of ua-cam.com/video/qtzJ8sRdJMw/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Lrock79 for a rehashing of this between Hugh Ross (Christian) and Dennis Prager (Jewish).)
What part of Job are you suggesting? Just curious.
I agree, Genesis seems to be set up to be ambiguous on purpose. But reality as we know it had a beginning, and I think that is the most miraculous, even over DNA itself. God is awesome, bro.
Watch the second of these videos:
ua-cam.com/video/FbXHarFlX1s/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SentinelApologetics
ua-cam.com/video/7hmESW7KM3I/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NakedBible
So, it seems that I was kinda off with the Job thing. I thought that it did talk that way about Job, but in God confronting Job in Job 38-42, we do get in general the feeling of control and order that God works. In particular, in 38:8-11 we see another reference to God holding back the waters as a motif noted in the second video.
I think that we can ask God what was His purpose in giving Genesis to us. It could be that parts of it are symbolic, like Revelation, and parts are real. I mean, to some degree we believe that this is true, for instance we don't believe that God LITERALLY weaved king David in his mother's womb and some people would say that parts of Revelation are metaphorical, but, as is reverberated throughout Scripture, what is certain is God's action in the world, His creating and sustaining of it (some of which is in that Job passage), His plan for His chosen people, and His judging of us in the end.
I'm still learning and there are parts of things that I am not sure about, but I think that what is certain for me is the moral standard of being called to walk in the light and live like He calls me to and this is the main thing that I am trying to work on.
@@mythbuster1483 It doesn't dumb azz. Only if you hold to a literal interpretation and even then your absurdity backfires. You have no idea what you are talking about. Move along son.
@@OnTheThirdDay the devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .ahab
1. God calls us to be in relationship with Him.
2. God has us be representatives of God to the rest of creation in His name.
3. God has us be His stewards and care-takers of creation.
I like your explanation of the image of God. Very insightful. But I will keep my literal interpretation of Genesis 1.
Alex Odnoralov as it should be
Genesis 3:20 says Eve was the first plant fungi animal and human, at least according to the plain reading of the English text.
If angels are not in the image of God in what image are they created? Why are they called sons of God?...
@@justchilling704according to the Bible, Benei Elohim (sons of God) are a spirit being that are members of The Divine Council and they participate in passing judgement in the court of God in multiple spots in the Bible as well as carrying out judgements and even ruling over nation's outside of israel after mankind falls and rebels (in the Bible).
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There called sons of god because he created them.
God gave me a revelation Regarding this! Thank you guys for going so deep on questions that I have pondered for years! Keep up your good work. And may the Holy Spirit reveal all things that you seek in his name!
He gave me a revelation as well! I have a paperback and leather bound copy of it right next to me.
@@brightest07 This is literally what I would have said 😂
That just made a whole lot of things click. Great content as always sir.
God became a human to save humans the profundity of that concept must really be studied and thought about in our deepest meditations it will tell us the truth about all of this. This channel is a springboard to Eternity in my humble opinion. Which is the only one I'm entitled to give.
the devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .ahbnq
This video was going good until he said Adam was not the first man...
awesome videos I hope to see more of these. Thank you for being an inspiration!!
the devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .z
All things are possible with God. All things are possible to him that believes.
Interesting and while I may disagree with your conclusions thank you for the post. However, the use of Ecc. a book of poetry, for didactic is perhaps not the strong suit it appears to be.
We are three in one as God is three in one. Its quite simple when you think about it..
Another fantastic video yet again IP
My favorite thing about this guy is he’s not interested in making a religion. He’s interested in education and discerning the scriptures. He puts to shame every single last religious leader that walks the face of this planet. He doesn’t want to be called father or priest or rabbi. He is literally teaching . I mean sure maybe the channel generates money. But this is literally what the point of the Bible is to study it. Not to make a religion to exploit or guilt trip people.
Your videos are awesome, keep up the good work. I am a young earth creationist right now, but I am always willing to switch sides as long as the right side has the truth. I don't believe in current evolutionary dogma except maybe 'micro' evolution (adaptation, genetic variation and hereditable traits, and natural selection). I just say now that whatever the case may be as far as origins go, the Word (the Bible) has the answers and truth, so for right now I am in a greyish zone as far as old earth creationism and young earth creationism. Perhaps you could also do a video highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of both OEC and YEC? That would be great and helpful! Thanks again!
I would advise you to consider both evolution and the Big bang theory as a Catholic myself. We do believe in these as Catholics(Lemaitre who first proposed the Big bang theory was a catholic priest)even though we do recognise our knowledge is limited. And the thing is how do you explain the carbon dating and dinosaurs without those two scientific theories?
I don’t remember angels “creating anything “ they definitely destroy, Shepherd, minister, and maybe even love. I feel like that is a big difference that makes us more in the image of God. I’m watching this again lots of good stuff here. I’d love to hear others thoughts.thanks for sharing this.
I like your videos, But God clearly did not appoint man later on after many humans had been created, The Bible clearly states that God created man from the dust and breathed the breath of life into his nostril. Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
I wonder what his response to this would be
@@user-zd9fc4vs4q probably more or less the same as I would: that all of those terms and concepts are completely different to the ancient isrealite, and shoehorning in your modern take on them is unhelpful.
I like your videos. Let me ask a question regarding Genesis 2:7. "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." BTW I am not a scholar, it's that this verse came to mind as I was listening to this video. How does this fit into your discussion?
This video helped a lot! Thank you and may God bless you!
I don't personally believe Yahweh is the only god who created people, but this understanding of the "image of god" has implications for other local creation stories that describe people as having been created in their god's image.
"Let US make Man in OUR image"..speaking to the Council who also share in the image of God
No, Trinity.
Neither. The verse definitely is not about the Trinity. Also, the Divine Council associates are not image-bearers -- there is nothing to indicate that whatsoever.
@@IndianaJoe0321 so, this verse is about...(?)
Jesus Christ
@Pawwel Mussial different person of the same veing
Isn’t it amazing that someone who lived 2000 years ago can bring you to your knees. I LOVE JESUS
Sir, not all...but most of your videos always show that you read your presuppositions into your understanding of God's word, and unfortunately you are not only misled but misleading others that won't study their own Bible.
seed farmer You're speaking of Hen Kam and his cronies
I agree it seems as though he's searching the Bible to prove his own conclusions and biases. He's adding to the word of God the understanding of man in order to dominate the word of God into a secondary source of truth behind science and the knowledge of man. I could accurately portray his beliefs as an idolization of human intelligence.
As to using the attributes that we share with angels (which are not called image) to argue against those attributes being a defining feature of the image, let us look at the purpose and nature of angels. The word for them (in both Hebrew and Greek) is merely the common word for messenger. The divine figure the Angel of The LORD, which we encounter in scripture seems to be this concept of messenger, representative, spokesperson, etc. to it's fullest and highest expression. It seems to be a way of talking about God the Word, i.e. God in divine self-expression.
So the fact that the Imagers and the Messengers have aspects in common hardly says that those aspects must therefore not be a defining feature of image-hood, because practical necessity demands that these two offices so similar in function would require at least some important characteristics in common.
The context of Man being Image is that of the material-temporal universe. Man is that agent within the material-temporal universe whose nature images God to the rest of that context.
Angels are messengers existing primarily in the realm of the spiritual and act out and deliver the will of God from His heavenly court to other spiritual and occasionally material beings. The two roles have vitally impoertant differences which make them distinct from each other, but they are fullfilling similar, kindred purposes.
If the two didn't share a few basic qualities necessary for their related intended functions, *that* would be a contradiction.
It's like saying the beating of metal with a hammer isn't a defining aspect of a blacksmith, because a ferrier does it as well. Blacksmith and ferrier are kindred trades with significant overlap. They both beat iron to shape it, and that is a defining aspect of *both* occupations.
So, intellect, speech, personality, etc. are defining aspects of *both* imagers and messengers, though they don't form a full definition of either. There are defining attributes which differ between imager and messenger along with those which are the same.
So, saying that angels are intelligent, personal, relational, spiritual, etc., but aren't imagers, doesn't imply that these same attributes aren't difinitive attributes of the image as well. It simply means that these specific attributes taken in themselves aren't the whole story. Yet, they clearly are part of the definition of each.
Its really simple. ‘In the image of god’ means consciousness.
I thought much the same. However, consciousness could perhaps entail a duty to represent God, so perhaps both interpretations are correct.
Sure. Define "consciousness."
Joseph, consciousness can be defined as knowing that you exist. It is an eternal " in the now" reality that experiences no past and no future it is eternal "sameness" being such it transcends time because time does not influence it.
Joseph Brandenburg
“Consciousness” is the essence of meaning and purpose. Consciousness is what makes the word “you” actually mean something.
So go back to the argument in the video... do angels have consciousness? Maybe not.
This was super helpful for my Anthropology and Hematology paper. It was spot on solid word...Thanks a lot
As much as I like this channel, I do not agree with evolution.
It's very clear God created when using the Hebrew ..
Iv studied too much on the subject .. but he is clouding the issue ..
Some interesting stuff here ..
But trying to fit to much in the secular .
Tayo Adejuwon what the scientific “man” aspects evolution or of God aspect of His evolution?
I feel like there's something missing. Almost complete but not totally.
Idk yet because your view doesn't seem to consider that angels also participate in this grand plan and can also be exiled like Satan.
So there's something lacking here. And I think it has something to do with our bodies(spiritual and physical).
Your attempts at deflating Creationism are what they are, Creationism isn't really escapable when you begin to think about how the NT references Genesis and parallels it with Revelation in the end.
But it's something.
Religion has been HUGELY corrupted by feminist women.Women are FORBIDDEN to interfere in Religion and they have done a lot of harm and damage to Religion.Many parts of Religion became violent and nasty and teach incorrect things.Circumcision is Wrong for example.God has nothing against Gays. Angels cannot be Tempted into Sin by woman so Angels are all Gay. God loves Gays.However God hates feminist women.
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Destynation Y l love you and ur video. This is called absolutely best. GBU all aammeenn.
IP is clearly in support of Theistic Evolution. Atheists are going to love this video. He subtlety combines Creation, Materialism & Naturalism as working cohesively. But anyone who understands Materialism & Naturalism knows that they are inherently and vehemently incompatible.
What he is essentially saying here is that God started the process of creation over millions of years, came back to earth and said, I "elect" humans to be my image. The previous sentence is obviously over simplified but if you remove the verbal theatrics that is essentially what he is saying.
My interpretation may be wrong but thats how I understand what he is saying. Let's talk civilly about this.
You do realize I have specifically made videos arguing against naturalism and materialism, right? Nothing in the video argues for either of those views.
Also, God is outside of time. He did not come back or wait for evolution, He actualizes all time at once.
I came to that conclusion via your statements around 13:20+ where you emphasize Gen 1:24-25 "let the earth bring forth" as God using natural processes. Which you then conclude around 13:30-13:33+ that land animals were brought about via natural processes.
If the Creator causes living creatures according to their kind to come from the Earth that is not a natural process if viewed through the lens of Materialism & Naturalism. It's Him that causes living creatures to come from Earth not the Earth in and of itself causing living creatures to come from the earth.
Interesting perspective though.
Naturalism is the exclusion of the supernatural. Saying God used nature to make life is not naturalism, it is the opposite of it. You really need to look these terms up.
And this why I stated earlier that you subtlety mix Naturalism and Creation together. You clearly contribute the variety of animals we have now to natural processes. 13:29-13:37
I guess the question I should ask is what exactly do you mean by "natural processes"?
Itu M Straw man
Take a drink every time he says the word "function."
Hello from Belgium,
Before bringing my point of view I would like to talk a little about my context, I was born into a deist/atheist family (like most Belgians) and I converted following the discovery of this incredible book that is the Bible. It should be known that here protestant-evangelical Christians are +- 3% and only God knows how many in these small % are really in the heart... In short, all this to say that creationism here does not exist except in its biggest caricatures!
I am writing this comment because I am very saddened to see a zealous and talented Christian screwing up like that, that she woe for the Gospel and the Glory of God. :(
Indeed, despite my pains in English I made the effort to watch this series of 2 videos on the subject but I feel like I only saw one fight against two straw men!
In the few years that I have been a creationist Christian I have never heard these objections against the evolution that you are taking to demolish.
No, the greatest theological argument constantly presented, and much simpler, against the theory of evolution could be formulated under this question;
How God could use Death, which is evil, to create Man, a good thing,
and this without even the Fall having happened yet?
There is an obvious problem of "chronological-moral" logic when one wants to accept the biblical narrative and that of Evolution at the same time.
I look forward to one day having an answer that I keep sending in vain to my evolutionist brothers. May God guide us, all of you, be richly blessed.
The death of 'the fall' is spiritual death, the separation from God... It is told that in the day that you eat of the fruit, you shall surely die... though Adam is not described as having physically died for quite some time afterward.
Even long prior to the advent of science, Jews and Christians recognized that these stories of pre-history were not intended as literal historical accounts, or as scientific descriptions of cosmology. Early Christians, for example would point to narrations of God walking through the Garden, or of Adam hiding himself behind a tree to show that these stories must be approached 'philosophically'.
Creationism is a modern invention.
Mishi, I am truly happy for you, for the life you have found in Christ.
It seems the response you sent me has been deleted, but I will reply to it briefly, nonetheless.
I do not believe your interpretation is correct that "if the term "death" [in Genesis] refers only to the spiritual, then the death and resurrection [mentioned in Corinthians] of Jesus Christ our Savior is also [only] spiritual and in fact, He is simply never risen!" In Christ, God took unto himself our human nature entirely, including the frailty of our human condition, subject as we are to physical death. The uncontainable God, being contained in the flesh, identified with us in every way- even suffering and entering into the mystery of physical death that all mankind enters. God cannot cease to be God, and therefore, even as he was separated from the body in physical death, the Life of God did not at any time become unto mankind spiritual death. Rather, he bestowed life upon all mankind, both the living and the dead, as many as would receive him. Life in Christ, salvation, IS to be united with Christ; Spiritual death is to be separated from him. The ancient and traditional Christian understanding is that when Christ entered Hades (the place of the dead), he ministered to those souls there, offering them spiritual life. He, the Resurrection, brought them resurrection, a spiritual resurrection, though also we look for the physical resurrection yet to come to all.
It is perhaps possible that the account in Genesis reflects an historical account of actual persons, Adam and Eve. I don't know. I wasn't there. But I do not think that would be the important takeaway from the narrative. The story in Genesis is relevant to us, you and me, inasmuch that it speaks of Christ. Jesus is that Tree of Life at the center of the Garden (and if you can accept it, Mary his mother is the mystical paradise). He is the true Adam, the father of a renewed mankind. And though Eve brought sin unto mankind through her disobedience, Christ was brought forth unto us as the new Eve accepted the word. The whole of Genesis speaks of Christ, far more than it alleges to account for literal history. If the literature of Genesis speaks metaphorically of our spiritual life and death by way of storytelling involving physical life and death, I see no reason therein to deny the reality of our Life in Christ.
God bless!
@@Giant_Meteor The problem is that, having no choice, you are obliged to deny the verses I have shared with you that present Christ as being DEATH! In fact, all your answer goes in my direction, yes Christ is well spiritually AND physically risen! This is the meaning of my whole point; spiritual AND physical Death came from one man and is one defeated by one man = > It is absolutely necessary to read Genesis literally when one wants to defend biblical doctrines (Sin, Salvation, Marriage, Gender, Law...).
You prove it again; why do you now say that Eve brought sin to humanity if you rejected the history of Genesis? One day if you want to remain honest and reasonable you will have to make a choice between the two stories.
In fact, you do not answer any of my objections but only share truism, Christ in Genesis, of course, and even in the first word! But do you know who wrote it? Can an infinite Being not express itself in a text with 1000 depths? I advise you to be interested in real lovers of the Word like John Kostik, because God can of course speak of historical things in unnamed poetry and geometry! Besides, you and I can do it, I would never understand this argument...
I don't understand this blasphemy that keeps coming back without assuming responsibility for reducing God, because in the end that's what evolutionists do all the time; "Gngn Genesis poetry".
In the end you reject and take what you want, I repeat, ALL the Bible is written in a masterfully orchestrated structure, make a thorough study of any chapter/book to realize it, that's not why we summarize it in a book of counts and legends, unless our arguments come from atheist madness.... It's just because we have a wonderful God of order who has a wonderful ordered plan, isn't it poetic the 3 days of Jesus in the Stay of the Dead to bring Life? Science is clear about miracles, though!
@@PitiKiwiToutVert
I find it frustrating to engage in dialog when people assign to me positions that are not my own, and that I have not said anything about, and then complain that I am not answering objections they have raised against those positions. I am not an evolutionist. I am not a creationist. I do not support the ‘intelligent design’ philosophy. I simply don’t know how things have come to be as they are. I am open to well-reasoned arguments, but upon investigation, I have so far not found any of these positions to be satisfactory.
The position that I actually did present was that I do not require the stories in Genesis to be understood as a literal accounting of material history. I do not believe that the ancient people who were inspired of God to write these tales were writing for any such purpose, but were simply recording stories that they had received. I believe that these stories speak truthfully, albeit typologically and metaphorically, of the reality which is Christ. I can write of Eve having eaten the fruit, and how her disobedience is an inverse of the obedience of Mary, and so that sin entered the world through her, without necessarily buying into the idea that she was an historical figure. The real crux of the matter, the grave truth is that I am the sinner who has brought death into the world. Eve’s story is a story about me, my sin, and my need. The story of Genesis is a story that points to Christ and my need of him. I care very little whether or not a person named Eve actually ever lived on this earth. Mankind has been given custody over this earth, a responsibility toward it, a sort of priesthood before God within the cosmos, but we instead have corrupted it with our sins toward God and one another. I have no idea why you should think this perspective obligates me to regard Jesus as being Death. He is Life. If anyone is Death, it's me.
I looked back through your previous statements for an objection that I had not answered. The only one I found was a supposed incompatibility between biblical theology and biological evolution:
“How God could use Death, which is evil, to create Man, a good thing, and this without even the Fall having happened yet?” We mortals live and die physical death. This is the way of things. I do not believe this is evil; but it is not our ultimate destiny. God lowered himself to our humble position to bring us Life, that mortality might be swallowed up in immortality.
@@Giant_Meteor Hello, I answer you but I feel like I'm wasting my time talking to someone who doesn't seem to be making the effort to understand me.
I repeat that the NT presents the singularity of Christ's physical death as related to the singularity of its origin in Adam. In short, this one came from one man and was defeated by another; if you accept that the second is a historical character you are obliged to accept also the historicity of the first. Either you are a fool, or you claim that the Bible says the opposite of the meaning of the words it uses (read my previous comment again along these lines). So I do not present Christ as Death, stop your nonsense, but as the one who defeats it by living it. If for you physical death is something natural and holy, I understand your difficulties in grasping the meaning of these bases of Christian theology. Biblically, death is the fruit of sin, separation resulting from disobedience to God. Physics, like spirituality, is the fruit of sin and therefore cannot be good. That is why Jesus resurrected and that every time it is mentioned that the cross is spoken of, you cannot separate physical death from the spiritual as you cannot separate the physical and spiritual life that Christ obtained for us by resurrecting.
Genesis 3:17-19
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you," You must not eat from it,'
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[b] Christ Jesus our Lord.
Moreover, if this were not bad, why is God's Plan "that mortality might be swallowed up by immortality" given in His Son?
If God gives us Life, it is because the whole Death is evil. That is why in paragraph 933 of its creed the Catholic Church to which you seem to belong (if I am not mistaken) also states that it believes in the resurrection of the carnal bodies.
Secondly, I find it more than easy to contradict a creationist argument when you don't claim to be from either side and the debate is on this subject. As far as I know, everyone agrees that the origins are either such as the Bible tells us, or according to the evolutionary narrative, if not for you to present another lead.
On this basis, if you want to have an understanding of the world in line with the words of Jesus and his disciples who literally read Genesis, you have many resources on this site: www.creation.com
May God guide us and give us humility,
Goodbye.
You got it wrong about Isaiah 65:18 , as God is speaking literally about "new" Jerusalem and not the old city of Jerusalem. the verses go: "17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy, and her people to be a gladness."
Compare with Revelation 21, where John says: "1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, ....2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, ....
Revelation doesn't treat the new Jerusalem as a creation, but rather as a mystical symbol of the church, the Bride of the Lamb.
What a forced interpretation of the Scriptures!
I was liking this channel, but now I see that humanism influenced your reasoning too much.
True knowledge comes by revelation, this is just wrong speculation
There is no right interpretation of the scriptures...hence the multiple denominations
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Of course there is a correct interpretation of the Scriptures! You cannot force your particular meanings into them. We should get revelation from the Truth, which by definition excludes all the incorrect interpretations. For that, we need to study them from the context and the perspective of the authors. If you choose their meaning, without asking God for understandig, you don't get revelation, and that leads to spiritual death: that is why the church is divided into denominations.
But don't believe me! John 16:13 However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come.
I agree with you. It felt like a very forced interpretation of scripture.
@@ynzmadeleine lol let me guess, it must be YOURS and no other
@@xxxmmm3812 thank you for redefine my words, you see that’s the real problem, people understand what they want, not what is intended, but if you read me again you’ll notice I said “don’t believe me” go to the scriptures yourself and read with intention of getting to heart of what is written in the text, don’t add your own meanings and worldview to them, God doesn’t contradicts himself, He is the Truth, and by definition Truth excludes ALL our wrongs beliefs. I don’t own the Truth! I never said anything like that, but I do look to be closer to The Truth (Jesus) everyday, and even if I were wrong in this matter, I’m asking Jesus’s correction. Knowing the Truth is not impossible! and actually that’s the desire of God for all of us. But again: Don’t believe me!
Only part i disagree with is Adam and Eve not being the first humans. Tradition and the Fathers are quite clear on this.
It seems to me humans have failed for the most part to uphold a society that is in the image of god. With all the inhuman crimes and death we inflict on each other, in the name of god in some cases or just because of greed and a thirst for power and control.
thankfully Jesus did perfectly uphold the image of God and His Spirit has been empowering people worldwide to make radical change for Christ's Name and everything He stands for in spite of all the corruption we produce apart from Him. Soon He will come back physically Himself to judge the world and make everything right. In the meantime, evidently He sees it fit to delay His judgement for now. Even if something God allows in life seems wrong to my understanding, how could I so easily believe that my thoughts are anywhere near the same level of intelligence as the Being Who created all things! God has chosen to allow alot of things that are hard to understand from our perspective, but i think the smarter conclusion is to believe that God knows better than we do! But alot of people (myself included at times) can be so pitifully proud, that we think our thoughts are as brilliant and valuable as God's! Even Job did this! Job 40:2 “Shall the one who contends with the Almighty correct Him? He who rebukes God, let him answer it.”
“That Genesis is compatible with a multitude of view about the material origins of humanity” ... as a YEC I can certainly agree with that.
Plus, the Origin narrative is NOT the corner stone on which our salvation rest upon.
Thanks for your great content. Love the channel.
God bless
john 4 does NOT say god is only spirit.
merely that he is spirit and needs to be worshiped through the spirit.
but it does not say he is only spirit.
The father,the son and the holy spirit. We are soul,flesh and spirit. Which I view as also being in the image of God.
@@novusrex9809 yep ... but what we are not is "trinity."
and it can be argued that soul, and spirit are the same thing.
The point toward the end about the Earth bringing forth the animals and eventually the people is probably the best reason for the idea of how God could have used evolution and make Genesis is quite compatible with science.
Praise God Amen Hallelujah God bless you brother Blessing ❤️
The image of God is generally held to mean that people contain within their nature elements that reflect God's nature: compassion, reason, love, hate, patience, kindness, self-awareness, etc. Man was made in the image of God (Gen. 1:26). Though we have a physical image, it does not mean that God has one. Rather, God is spirit (John 4:24), not flesh and bones (Luke 24:39).
Is it me or did anybody else feel like this was a force interpretation of scripture?
#SolaScriptura
it is just you. I cannot understand your way of thinking, the Bible cannot be understood properly alone. sola scripture is also unbiblical.
Not just you. Bible clearly says that God made man from dust with his own hand. I guess he skipped over that part to make a secular arguement. Evolution is not found in the bible. It clearly implied that Adam and Eve were the first humans.
Oh my goodness it goes far deeper than that. We were not just “chosen” to be in God’s image. We were Created and Born into being God’s image. We are literally called the “offspring of God”. The Bible says God is our Father and we are
His heirs; joint heirs with Christ. Our genealogy does not begin with Adam it begins with God. We are His children. And because we are His heir God has given us EVERYTHING. He has given us Himself in the person of His Son who is God the Word. He has given us His Holy Spirit who is also God. He has given us His angels. He has given us His life through death. He has even given us the right to sit with Him in His Throne through Jesus. God has covered every form of parenthood by saying we were both born and adopted. He has covered every type of human relationship we have to describe our relationship with Him. He is both our Father and our Brother. He is our friend. Everything written about Christ has been applied to us as well. Jesus will reign and rule the nation. We will reign and rule the nation. All of Christ’ enemies will be placed under His feet. Everything will be placed under our feet as well. He judges all things. We shall judge angels.
You're a very well researched individual. I really think you should tackle some popular "problems" with the Bible. I think you should make a video that address all the problems that unbelievers have with Noah's ark. Basically make a video proving how it would work.
I ask this because it's a very common issue I hear unbelievers bring up constantly.
That will come along eventually.
InspiringPhilosophy I'm asking for a long video that addresses all the classic probs and stuff. And I realize it would take forever lol my brother does videos kinda like yours. The research and editing can take forever
@@philippaul6039 the devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .ahahg
I wonder at what point God is stating that mankind should be made in his image. Is it before the creation of man? which is the common interpretation, or is it after the creation of man? In which case, the word making wouldn't be referring to how to initially create man, but instead would be referring to an ongoing act. For comparison, think about a university "making" a scientist. Universities don't create scientists from scrap, they mold through teaching until the person resembles the image of a scientist.
Very interesting. You are beginning to sway my views from creationism. However, I still have many issues with evolution itself, that is, it is not a concrete theory. There are still problems and holes it does not answer or explain. Such as the issues brought up by the Intelligent Design community. If Macro-Evolution is shown to be false (but not micro-evolution, since that is already a proven fact) how will this affect your views of Genesis and the origin of Man?
Please respond!! I want to hear your thoughts on this!!
Well, it hasn't been shown to be false and I deal with this in my other video on evolution from last month. We can explain the evolution of morphological structures through process structuralism.
Except macro evolution to this day has still never been proven :/
Plants have vegetative souls, animals have sensitive souls, but only we have rational souls.
Interpreting the Bible through the eyes of secular ideology rather than just the Bible itself. Finding a way around the literal interpretation of creation in order to accept secular evolutionism. There is no reason to assume evolution is fact. It is not. This is a compromise with worldly philosophies and myths (evolution). This kind of compromise is why so many people are rejecting the Bible and Christianity and belief in a Creator.
God mad man from the "dust of the earth." That does not sound like he's "choosing" some ape man that already existed and giving him some purpose.
I interpret the words in their ancient context, yet I am the one not taking the text literally?
The Bible says all men came from dust (Eccl 3:20). Scholars have noted saying one is from dust is an ANE way to say one is mortal. See John Walton, "The Lost World of Adam and Eve."
No, you are not interpreting the word in their ancient context. You are interpreting them in light of evolution. You say that Eccl. 3:20 says all men came from dust. That is a statement of our material origin but not the actual process. In Genesis, it says man was FORMED man (Adam) from the dust of the earth, formed like a potter forms a pot. Then God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. The ONLY reason you are stating that this is not an actual act of creation and just an act of "choosing" is because you believe in evolution. I don't know what scholars you refer to, but God forming man from the dust of the earth cannot be a reference to man's mortality because originally man was not created to be mortal. Mortality was a result of man's rebellion and sin. Your claim that you are interpreting the words in their ancient context is disingenuous. You are interpreting them in a modern, evolutionist context. I don't need to see John Walton. He is not God. You are compromising with the philosophy of evolutionism and interpreting scripture to fit that paradigm. Evolution is myth.
I didn't bring up evolution when looking at the ANE context. That is a straw man. Again, see, "The Lost World of Adam and Eve." Walton covers all this. Genesis 2 is more associated with Adam's functions than his material origins. That is a western view imposed on the text, which the ancients were not concerned with.
You are not God either, nor do you speak for Him. In the real world, we read experts. We do not assume we laymen have a perfect understanding of an ancient document that was written in a different language. You can claim I am compromising all you want, but that is just based on your own subjective reading and what you want God to mean.
totally agree with you here there is no compromise its either evolution or the biblical tale there are alllot of scholars who did explained this very well !! like john lennox !
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You're not attacking his arguments.
- I disagree that the Garden of Eden is the first place of a priesthood/garden, and also that angels did not possess the "image of God". These things are dispensationally intuitive. The Garden of Eden is likely Lucifer's former throne, the Fruitful Place of Jer.4:26.
So man, being placed in the Garden is a "contingency plan". When reading "lets us man man in our image" this is God reordering the Heavens and Earth so that an organic creature can be assigned the Earth instead of angels/Lucifer. Elohim (plural God) saying "In our image" means making "man", instead, triune/spiritual. As a thought experiment one could read it as "let us make kangaroo in our image".
- Also, I prefer John Walton's view that Gen 1 and Gen 2 are separate accounts. This makes more sense in the narrative allowing a methodology to the proxy of "one for many" (see list below).
Breaking it down a few ways:
By dispensation:
1 - Lucifer's sin cast judgment on "angel kind". (Fruitful Place/Garden of Eden)
2 - Adam's sin cast judgment on "man kind" (Fruitful Place/Garden of Eden)
3 - Christ does not sin casting redemption onto mankind (Desert)
4 - Finally each person is tempted to become "their own god" dealing with dominion of self. 1 Cor. 6:12
Parenthetically:
1 - Lucifer said "am I not like God"
2 - Adam sought to "ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil"
3 - The material science evolutionist says "Evolution made me, therefore " am I the most high" of my domain."
4 - The YEC creationist says "God made man to look like Elohim, therefore a monkey's image cannot be the origin of my image".
Christ does not seek to take advantage of this position (Phil 2:5) 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'
According to the Concept of "Triunity" (very theoretical) i.imgur.com/jhI7zef.jpg
1 - Triune Creator makes non-triune(?) spiritual creation (angels with free will). Angels can “see” God so faith is not needed. Where there is no faith, there is no love.
2 - Angels exercise free will, impossible to repair, no pathway to forgiveness (Pre-Adamic dispensation).
3 - Triune Creator places triune creation (like us) in garden to exercise free will on purpose to fail (first Adam).
4 -Triune Creator becomes flesh triune creation, lives outside of garden (desert) to not exercise free will and succeed (second Adam).
5 - Triune perfect Creator (Messiah) spills spirit for imperfect triune creation. Messiah takes on all imperfection for history of mankind.
6 - Messiah now bridge between flesh and Holy Spirit. Man and God intersect both reaching “blindness”.
7 - Now spirit can dwell inside imperfect flesh temple, now imperfect flesh can sit at right hand of God.
8 - Man triune + one (Spirit).
9 - God Triune + man (Son of Man)
(and now the dispensational temptations, antithesis)
1 - Lucifer's sin cast judgement on "angel kind". (Fruitful Place/Garden of Eden)
2 - Adam's sin cast judgement on "man kind" (Fruitful Place/Garden of Eden)
3 - Christ does not sin casting redemption onto mankind (Desert)
(Divine Hiddenness relates)
Lucifer "seeing" relationship, no faith required. Man "hidden" relationship, faith required.
Hello IP, it is definitely an interesting and controversial topic to discuss as a believer. I have been monitoring few of your videos and I believe you are standing on the belief that human are all essentially created equal to other animals and God chooses the 'man-like species' to be His representatives in midst of the evolutionary processes. Correct me if I got it wrong.
If it is so, I would like to present a little different view point regarding the matter of man created by God's image and likeness. As a bible believer, I always believed that God's wisdom and His work is far beyond my comprehension that at some point I have to drop my concept or philosophy to make sense of everything but just say Amen to what it is presented. Therefore, I believe even the argument of substantive view itself is only touching the surface of the deeper truth.
God said He created us into His image and His likeness. We are given His mission to be His expression and be a dominion over the whole creature. Having this view in mind, the Bible describes how this will be done.
First, we have to know that we are a being with three different parts, body, soul, and spirit (1 Thes 5:23). Unlike other animals, God formed this spirit within man in His creation (Zech 12:1). In English, the word 'life' shares only one meaning but there are three different meaning in Greek.
1. Bios, in Luke 8:14: “…anxieties and riches and pleasures of this life.” This Greek word refers to the life of the physical body and is where we get the word biology.
2. Psuche, in Matt. 16:25: “For whoever wants to save his soul-life shall lose it.” The Greek word here refers to the psychological life of the human soul, that is, the mind, emotion, and will. It is where we get the word psychology.
3. Zoe, in John 1:4: “In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.” Here the Greek word refers to the uncreated, eternal life of God, the divine life uniquely possessed by God.
Because we have such spirit within us, we are able to contain God Himself into us when we are saved (John 20:22). When we receive Him, the Holy Spirit which is breathed into us, His Spirit and our spirit becomes one (1Cor 6:17). This is the process of our Lord becoming the Life giving spirit in our being (1Cor 15:45). Instantly, our being becomes His holy inhabitant (1Cor 3:16-17) and He conforms His image in us out of our fallen humanity (Rom 8:29). Therefore, we should continuously walk by the spirit (Gal 5:16,25) that we may come to the full knowledge of Him through knowing the depths of God through our spirit (1 Cor 2:10).
In order for man to be the perfect match to our God, we have possessed His divine life and nature in us (2 Peter 1:4). This is what it is essentially different from all the other creatures from us and this is the very reason why we can be the Bride of Christ which no other angels can do. God created us with the very design that we may contain God that we may be intermingled with Him through our spirit but later into our whole being which is the hope of glory.
God has the need for men to cooperate with Him so that we will fully express Him unto the fullness of Christ and the first step is to know the Lord in our spirit. This is something I believe is very much missing from the general interest within the Christians community and sometimes they fall into the various life-less philosophies. If one knows the work of His Spirit in us, one will know that God has truly created us into His image and likeness.
"They" knew this was the understanding all along...but though error for centuries. This interpretation makes more sense it has more scope and breath to give the proper dimensions to life. I've always sense there is no point in saying or teaching God created the world as to me that is self-evident. Fundamentally allllllllll men know there is God. What think is important is "MEANING". Finding WHY God created not HOW/WHEN. This capacity is what I think is the image of God. This to me is the how story of the Genesis account- God manifesting not as mysterious and incomprehensible but rational and knowable. That's what human life is all about- knowing through experience.
To me the Genesis account shows us that our sole responsibility is ordering our lives consistently with the laws of this relm. Very inconsistent with the out-of-worldly approach of so many religious devotes. The god - like man is the man that governs life here and now. This assures of spirituality.
Genesis is the origin or creation of something.I appreciate your work but I just think your view of Genesis doesn’t make sense. God bless.
Bara and asah are not the only words in the Hebrew used 'to create.' There is also bana, which refers to the woman's body. And then there is yatsar. So, while bara means 'to create', to make something from nothing; inorganic matter from no previously existing material, yatsar means to create from already existing material-the human body.
According to Pastor RB Thieme Jr of Beracha Church in Houston, TX (who held more college degrees than I have fingers):
"God has essence which is real but invisible. As the shadow image of God our essence is also real but invisible. And like God, that essence can be defined only by its characteristics. These characteristics include self-consciousness, mentality, volition, conscience and emotion. From a theological viewpoint, the soul is the real person, living within a biologically living body. --"The Origin of Human Life"- by R.B. Thieme Jr 1993.
I completely agree about animal life coming from the planet. Although Noah brought in 2 of every unclean species and 3 of clean species on board the Ark, the animals were more representative of the DNA of their species, maybe as a 'jump-off' point for the planet to begin again after everything was wiped out (except sea creatures) by the flood. That being said, the idea that animals come from the planet itself explains how the animals feel approaching changes, such as earthquakes. The other slice of evidence are newly-discovered species such as the platypus. It is in a class all its own. Your research is fantastic and I'm glad I found your work here.
Great video IP (: i love your videos man. God bless you!
Our Consciousness is what is the image of God and it's eternal. Our flesh is the image of our parents. Who we identify with is what is important.
I think IP could very well be the next William Lane Craig!
The family is created in the image of God if that is the can then the Bible does not teach of a God that transcends gender. William Lane Craig teaches that God as an incorporeal being has no image and transcends gender. ua-cam.com/video/tjbZC3arCoM/v-deo.html
The idea that God is beyond space and time is not biblical. It is philosophical.
Image means one thing. It is visual. It means we look like God. The author of this video contorts the meaning of the word to fit his philosophy and this is based on the teachings of scholar/philosopher theologians like Agustine, Anselm, Aquinas, and others. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is accurate in its application of Biblical statements of God being a glorified and exalted man in whose image we are created. Male and female means we have a heavenly Father and Mother. There are no children without both. This is God's pattern.
Man that picture of Joseph in the woods sent me back. I miss being Mormon. I am in the process of converting to Catholicism right now, but I miss the Mormon Church so much right now.
It means God takes good photos
I personally think that this image is the "Freedom to choose to become" this is the same as God affords himself....EVERYTHING GOD DID/DOES HE DOES FREELY IN LOVE NEVER BY COMPULSION.
1. Creation
2. Man
3. Share intimately his life with him
4. The plan of redemption
All were God's own free choosing.
Has anyone noticed that of all things both God and man can take away from you: Health, wealth, friends, Limbs, bodily freedom even life itself...God never ever takes away the power that is within an individual to deliberately choose Christ at any place,moment, time and condition? Everything that is human, divine etc are all predicated upon the power of choice.
This is demonstrated very clearly in Job. Never mind all that was taken away not once was that sanctum of inner choice ever touched. Despite all Jobs suffering Job remained free to choose that inner participation with Christ through a choosing that was all his own....this is soo glorious a truth that I weep to see the joys that this blessed fact bestows to us as humans...that no matter how low the state or painful the hurt...we can all rise to the glories that are Christ through free choosing.
Oh glory to God in the highest.
Hey IP I've found something interesting in my walk with Christ that pertains much to the question of Genesis and likely has some bearing on its historicity. Did you know that ancient China worshipped a GOD very much like the one known by the people of Israel? The story of Genesis is even described in the ancient Chinese language and symbols. I think it would be a GOD send and to you and your online apologetics ministry if it turned out to be true, which judging by the proofs seen so far seems to be true. Please take this seriously IP, look up "Shangdi" in youtube or Genesis in Chinese language. The LORD Jesus be with you, my brother.
LiveForever There's also Brahman, Ahura Mazda, the Great Spirit, many other versions of God. And how can we forget Allah & the Prime Mover
The ignorance and blind faith I see in so many fellow Christians has inspired me to become a more intellectual Christian with as little absurd beliefs as possible. I’m proudly not a Calvinist, not a continuationist, and not a young earth creationist. I also proudly use the NRSV translation of the Bible, which is considered the most accurate by most biblical scholars.
Brilliant vid IP, easily one of your absolute bests.
One of the things about the Imago Dei that has struck me for the longest time is how we reflect God in our social/reproductive structure. Christ is the perfect husband to his wife, the church, and we are supposed to reflect that in our own marriages. Paul draws this conclusion in Romans, and it echoes throughout the Old and New Testament. There are also so many comparisons to God the Father as a father, and though I haven't seen anything say that we are MEANT to reflect that... I think it goes without saying that we would want to be like the perfect parent, God.
I never knew how to express this as part of our being created in the image of God before now. The reflection never seemed entirely like the purpose. But if we are meant to follow Him in roles, it would make sense that these are part of the functional "how" of that. Paul's instruction to husband and wife to reflect Christ's marriage would be instruction on how to accomplish this role. And like the "fake it til you make it" argument, it would seem that playing the part also helps us better understand these pieces of God's being as they are written in the bible. For instance, the Prodigal Son is much more poignant when you are the parent of a struggling child.
The Scripture doesn't just say that God created Adam and Eve, it describes the whole act of creation.
And the significant rise of the Nephilim whom God had to destroy.
Read the Sumerian text. There was a space age before Man settled on Earth.
Thank you for linking me to this video, IP. I will say that your videos are, of course, well articulated and very easy to understand. And this 1 video has definitely brought me to the understanding of where your concept of theistic evolution is set. However, I'm still not convinced that theistic evolution is a coherent view of scripture.
At a point I was torn between the old Earth young Earth dilemma. But I've always had a strong rebuttal against the overall concept of evolution. I believe that there was a difference being made when Genesis stated God made the the creeping creatures, and the creatures of the sea, and the fowls of the air. And that he did create us completely separate from them.
I still believe in the literal Six-Day creation period, but I don't think the Earth is only 6000 years old nor billions. I'm also not really seeing it as being such a quick descent and rebellion against God.
I do think it is some number of thousands of years old, mainly based on the idea that the human growth process would still be in effect (i.e. conception to birth to continuous maturity and no death) and once time became a constraint on creation Adam lived to 900+ years before his death. Before the flood there were many people who lived upward of 500 as the law of degradation was taking place, constantly decreasing the amount of years people were able to live.
Overall, I do like your channel. I don't think I'll ever see this as a compatible understanding of the creation event, but thank you for giving me the opportunity to gather some interesting information.
It's always nice to learn something new.
I pray the truth revealed to both of us, as time goes along. Allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us it God's truth and not our own.
Looking forward to meeting you on the new Earth, if I don't here, and getting God's full answer of these debated questions.
I hate to link you again, but I do have a ful series on genesis that goes through each chapter in detail ua-cam.com/play/PL1mr9ZTZb3TUeQHe-lZZF2DTxDHA_LFxi.html
Inspiring Philosophy you made a video titled "What Does it Mean to be the Image of God?" but your intent was not to explain that but instead to claim that we evolved from apes, very sneaky sir. Maybe you should change the title to - Can you be made in the image f God if we evolved.
Christian4life IPs main argument is what is meant by imago dei as a divine purpose. He didn’t even mention apes. He explained that the functional purpose of imago dei is prevalent throughout scripture, and that it means humans were called to be the imago dei. That’s it. Anything else is further explanation.
@Rekeinserah, he is a theistic evolutionist. Most of this video is about equating humans to animals. It's really obvious that his explanations are a smokescreen for his real motive: the attempt to justify theistic evolutionism because of a belief in evolution that he has long been unwilling to question.
He did make an argument, watch the video before posting next time.
Bunker you are just pathetic and being dishonest.
(1 Samuel 15: 2-3)
2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
@Dee Bunker, below I've provided multiple reasons why it's pointless for atheists to try and judge God on moral grounds:
First, it's pointless to insinuate that God is doing something morally bad for not punishing evil punishes if you simultaneously consider it morally bad when He does punish evil such as in the passage of 1 Samuel 15:2-3.
Second, as an atheist, you have no objective moral standards by which you can judge what is objectively good and what is objectively bad, which means that you cannot conclude that God's actions are bad either. Your whole argument relies on the idea that murder is objectively bad, but atheism requires the belief that murder is merely a social agreement that is subject to change and in no way objectively bad. For example, murder becomes morally acceptable under certain circumstances. Furthermore, evolution implies that murder is merely a neutral and natural aspect of living anyway.
Third, the only reason your argument holds any weight is if you both assume that God exists and that the Bible accurately represent God. Following this reasoning, it is only fair to assume that not just 1 Samuel 15:2-3, but everything else in the Bible is also true. Here's the problem: you assume that you know God well enough to conclude that He does bad things, and you substantiate your assumption by quoting 1 Samuel 15:2-3. However, the very same Bible from which you quote states clearly and repeatedly that *nobody* can understand God. Therefore, your whole argument relies on your cherry-picking of Scripture. In other words, you want 1 Samuel 15:2-3 to be true so that you can make this argument, but you don't want other passages to be true because they force you to concede this argument. What this means is that, by insinuating that God should not allow murder or punish, you're cherry-picking from the very same Bible that states repeatedly that nobody can understand the reasoning of God.
Fourth, you should not apply the human definition of murder to God's definition of ending someone's life. God is capable of bringing people to life again, whereas we are not, and that's why life has a whole different meaning to us, especially when you're an atheist who does not believe in an afterlife.
On first look, this view appears to conflict with the doctrine of original sin, but after some thinking I think this view can be reconciled with original sin.
The only thing is you need to change to think about original sin as being 'genetical', like it's really in our literal genome (which it is not).
Moreover it wouldn't make sense to believe original sin is passed on genetically, because Jesus would've inherited it through Mary.
Rather original sin is our natural state of unbelief.
Just like Christians are part of the body of Christ through belief in Jesus, all unbelievers are part of the body of Adam (until they turn to Christ) through their unbelief.
As Adam ate from the fruit from tree of knowledge of good and evil, so all unbelievers ate from it (as they're part of the same body of Adam).
In this sense one could argue that even humans who lived before Adam were unbelievers and as such also are part of the body of Adam.
In this way we can affirm:
* That Adam and Eve are historical humans that lived approximately between 6000 - 10000 years ago (just before the point the first agriculture and cities arose).
* The doctrine of original sin and everyone's need for atonement in Christ
Well, here’s an interesting thought...God is eternal, no end, no beginning. He exists outside of time because He created time. He knew everything that would happen from the moment He began to create it. And yet He still did it and sent His son, Jesus, in the form of a man to die on the cross. Not only that, but when Jesus returns, He will return in the same form. We know this to be true, because that’s how we will recognize or savior, our Messiah. We are told that God doesn’t change, and we are told that Jesus is also God. If God doesn’t change, and Jesus is also God, and Jesus bore the image of man and will return with the image of man, wouldn’t it stand to reason that God in His infinite wisdom actually created mankind to look like him knowing that we would need to see the resemblance to have the emotional connection necessary to worship Him?
That is not actually accurate. The Elohim when used as a plural as in much of the early Genesis texts it means 'The Lord and His Hosts or the Army of Heaven' - So when it says 'Let US make man in OUR image' -- These are literally what we would call 'angels' co-laboring WITH God to create man. So to say men were not created in the image of angels would on be accurate if angels themselves were not created in His image. Most Scholars accept the Image of God to have more to do with the creation of the HUMAN SPIRIT being in the same class as God WHO is Spirit and the Father of Spirits. A lot of subjects like this are much ado about nothing. Its pretty simple. God wanted fellowship with beings like Himself so He created man. It is not a complicated or trick text.
I've always been fascinated by the "Image of God," because I am an artist and I think human beings are the most beautiful thing in all of creation. We're also, in a sense, the most flawed because we had the farthest to fall. The human image is the cornerstone of art. The first artistic artifacts from as far back as 40,000 years ago are depictions of female nudes. The Greeks and Romans loved the figure, and concentrated their artistic effort on the male form. This love of masculine beauty was revived in the Renaissance, and gradually gave way to more and more graceful, subtle, and sensuous compositions. Women began to appear more often, and since then have been quite celebrated in art. My own work mostly revolves around female beauty. I think of Eve as the capstone of creation-- God saved the best for last. As an artist, I see God's aesthetic perfection in the world around me, every day, in the faces and forms of the people I see walking around in the city.
The human image is perhaps the most powerful artistic idea there is. So while I don't personally read the beginning of Genesis in a literal way, I don't think it's altogether wrong to think of the "Image of God" in an aesthetic sense. Our bodies are perfect living sculptures, truly worthy of being made temples of God (at least once they are restored in the resurrection. Obviously they have been desecrated with sinfulness). I don't disagree (or agree entirely) with your treatment of the phrase here, but I believe there's even more to it than that.
Many times, atheist friends of mine have told me they're uncomfortable with the idea of eternal life. But I think I could be happy forever doing nothing but drawing, painting, sculpting, and seeing the world around me. And yet God has even better things in store for us in the life to come.
First off, thank you for all your work with this channel. Having said that, this particular video and subject is very intriguing. I have some problems with it, but do recognize, these could be resulting from my years of hearing different, more traditional, explanations about this subject. Since I am after the truth, obviously, I try to keep an open mind to discover what is factual. Now that you know where I am coming from, it strikes me peculiar that in the whole video you never dwell upon the specific creation event of Adam and Eve as described in Genesis 2 which, and I could be wrong, seems to throw some doubts on some of the points you make here. I would love to hear your comments on this. Great job though for sure.
I plan on doing a video on that later specifically, I'll draw heavily from the book, "The Lost World of Adam and Eve."
Thanks for the quick response and I look forward to that video and, hopefully soon, will read the book myself.
In Short: We have a body, Elohim has a body to Fellowship with us in the flesh ( YASHUAH ) He is Spirit, we have a Spirit to Fellowship. Animals Do Not have a Spirit, they have a Nephesh.
The distinctions you propose are addressed at the [13:40] mark. Both animals and man alike are described as having soul and spirit.
Animals, DO NOT have a SPIRIT, They have a Nephesh Hayyah, translated would be, Soul Breathes or A Living Breathing Creature. 1Thes 5:23 Only Humans Possess a Soul and RUACH...
That is a lie. Dear women of the world animals has a spirit. They are seen in heaven.
@@cocococop6082 Book, Chapter, Verse... If you don't mind.
@@manf9593 remember in the book of king with the talking donkey? That donkey remember everything as you and I remember it. She had a conscious and awareness which means she was as us who are the same way. When she dies you mean to tell me she don't get to remain conscious and aware no more? I think not. Besides I watch this dude on youtube call faulk600 and in his places in heaven video the were animals in the third heaven. You can watch the video if you like. I usually just type in his name and heaven and the videos shows. Just saying.
From what I understand, the "image" appears to be more akin to a "Disk image file" than physical looks
asgthe devil is deceiving you put your trust in God almighty and you will see the truth we are a unique creation of God this is not science if meant to see you as another animal and not a special creation like we were designed by God as Adam and Eve .ah
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