Should England drop Harry Kane?
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- England are through to the semi-final at Euro 2024 after beating Switzerland on penalties. Despite the victory, Gareth Southgate’s side had familiar problems in their attack, with Harry Kane again struggling to make an impact.
Is there at all a chance that we could see a change for Wednesday’s semi-final against the Netherlands?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by The Athletic's Oli Kay, Jacob Whitehead and Ahmed Walid to discuss Kane's form and possible tactics for England as they progress in the tournament.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:30 England vs Switzerland
00:01:40 Can we compare Harry Kane to Ronaldo?
00:04:46 Harry Kane at the Euros
00:09:41 England under Southgate
00:13:28 How do England improve?
00:14:09 Tactics at the Euros
00:15:53 Players in the Netherlands team
00:18:08 Harry Kane or Ivan Toney?
00:20:40 Team’s tactical positionings
00:25:41 France’s fluidity
00:27:18 Mbappe’s form
00:30:26 Alvaro Morata
00:34:55 Link up play tactics at the Euros
00:36:29 Southgate’s possible changes for England vs Netherlands
00:39:08 Netherlands attack
00:40:57 Outro
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Jacob, say it out loud: Southgate refusing to play Gordon forfeits half the pitch and the opponent can clog everything up defensively. I’ve never seen a more stubborn manager, ignoring an obvious answer to not having anything on the left.
Surrendering the left is definitely a big problem, but refusing to play anyone who will actually run in behind either is also a pretty big issue. Leaving aside the insanity of having Kane's passing ability and giving him no one to pass to, the midfield is just so clogged up with Foden, Kane, Bellingham, and Mainoo all in the same spaces. Saka is the only outlet most of the time and it shows.
Gordon would solve both of those problems and it's the most obvious solution, but even dropping Foden for Watkins or Bowen who want to run in behind would be an upgrade on this. Or if he doesn't want to play any of those guys for whatever reason (just because he hasn't seemed to want to), play a 3-5-2 and put Saka on the left Trippier or Trent on the right as wingbacks and let them cross the ball a bunch for Kane, Toney, and Bellingham. It would be ugly but it would work better than whatever this is. Sorry for the rant.
the more egregious point Jacob makes is not that you're forfeiting the entire left side, but you're nullifying your 3 best attackers (going by club form) by trying to play them together. They're all drifting into the same spot while also trying to not drift into it to respect each other.
Really enjoyed Oli setting out clealry why Kane is having 0 impact then saying "but I would start him'
Oli kay is an embarrassment .....tbh
But mate, what did you expect? Southy is the manager. There's no point discussing this; You AND this podcast's hosts are better off worrying about how Southy can actually (and finally) create enough quality chances for Harry
Tbh Ive accepted Southgate won't change a thing and there's no point even discussing it.
ahmed was a great guest
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Listening to Oliver Kay is like somebody scraping their nails down the ceiling of a bus
He keeps lookin around every time he criticizes someone like they are about to jump outta his closet and glass him.
Poor guy is afraid to end up in the gulag for speaking his mind
1st half against Switzerland, Saka put the perfect ball into the box and Kane wasn't anywhere near to attack that. Time for Southgate to take gamble on Ivan Toney
yes, lets drop the best striker on the planet because he wasn't in the right place for one pass lol
@@arararararar99 Not just for one occasion mate. No point using him if we don't have anyone run past him to the box. At times, he even went past Rice to defend our box. I'm not doubting his ability nor desire, but the way we're playing, it restrict our attack massively with him on the pitch
A tough one really , he’s obviously carrying a back injury however , he’s influential enough to get important goals . With the system 3421 need a striker to run in behind and hold it up better , he isn’t doing either of those things at the moment, looking at Watkins or Ivan Toni to start might be the brave move that Southgate needs to take .
Love kane, absolute goal scoring machine (50 goals this season) i think he may still be carrying the back injury sustained at the tail end of the season. Play him for 60 minutes & let watkins / toney have a run out for the last 30minutes
I hear what you’re saying.
Southgate on the other hand will hear “Kane for 94mins and 2mins for Toney”
I’d use Watkins 1st then bring HK/ Toney on later [just in case we go to pens]
Kane is top striker, but this guy drops so deep that it’s so easy to mark him out of the game. The lack of mobility is the big issue.
He’s always dropped deep. Still one of the best goal scorers of all time. Do you realize how absurd your argument is?
@abdelrahmanelmasry5044 he hasn't, and the fact is it isn't working in this tournament.
@@zakpullen8113 have you ever seen him play?
@@abdelrahmanelmasry5044 It isn't absurd at all. What he's saying if you think about it is Kane in his more mobile version can drop deep without it affecting his primary function: being the number 9. If he is not mobile he can't drop deep AND be on the end of goals...Hence his heat map vs Switzerland... Average position was lower the 3 other England players. The deeper he drops the more ground he has to make up to get to the penalty area. In this physical shape he can't do BOTH. He HAS to be more efficient with his energy. When Saka broke away and played a perfect ball for where his striker should have been, Kane was nowhere not even busting a gut. He's also getting REGULARLY outmuscled by the centre backs. His touch has been awful. Lukaku (the roundly mocked) without scoring looked WAY better a CF in this tournament than Kane. He is just over protected.
@@demejiuk5660 I don’t disagree that he’s not at his best shape and is clearly not fully fit. But the idea of criticizing him for dropping deep when he’s always done this is weird. Why is no one discussing the main issue which is Foden and the lack of width on the left flank? It’s the managers fault who should play to his greatest goal threat’s strength not try to fit as much world class players as possible.
Kane needs runners, so give him runners not drop him.
Saka’s cross just needed a cutback not a cross which 4 players were blocking.
He managed 2 goals from 1.8XG btw - the disrespect to compare him to Lukaku lol
We had the exact same debate in 2018, when he stunk the game out against Croatia in the semi final at walking pace, same in the CL final against Liverpool
In saying that, Southgate doesn't use him properly, he needs to play in a front 2 like at Spurs or a front 3 like at Bayern - with him being the one that drops deep
Kane is a known slow starter to any season, where he is expected to not score in August. Coming back from injury we should expect the same.
I get what Jacob's saying about Kane, but for the Italy game, and I'm pretty sure he's talking about 'The Thrill in Seville', England didn't have Bellingham or Foden occupying that position. Also, against Spain we played 4-3-3 without a 10, so Kane could drop and ping it to either Rashford or Sterling, who both like to get in behind. I love Kane, but I think he's redundant in this system, you at least need Gordon as well as Saka obvioulsy, in order to get the best out of him.
Spot on!
Aside from his finishing, his main attribute his is link up play. Whether it is solely the system, the personnel he is playing with or a mix of that and his own individual form, we arent getting any of that from him.
He isn't a physical target man and been losing most of his duels and Pickford is going long a lot (before the Swiss game he had played 70+ long balls where as Portugals and Spain's keepers played around 20), and hes not winning the contests. He's not mobile like Watkins, so at the moment he's an absolute passenger.
5 tournament games isn't a small sample size and I dont think we would be worse off v Netherlands playing Toney or Watkins. I think VVD and De Vrij pocket Kane on this form. Worse case, you can bring him on for the last 20mins or so + potential ET.
Should've dropped Southy a few years ago. the team is yet to create more than a few chances for Harry and that's why you're asking this question.
If he scores one more goal he goes joint top scorer, it has generally been a low scoring tournament. Changing Kane might work, who knows, but we all know Southgate isn't going to drop him in any case. He's arguably the best player in his position in global football, a superb penalty taker, and still dangerous when not playing well.
A superb penalty taker- replaced by an even better one
@mikem9309 excellent point. Toney surelu offers the same leand and flop hold up play that kane does...and...as you said...is an even better penalty taker...Watkins has had a great season and I think would have instilled the most fear amongst opposition defenders in the last four games
@@WatchMagicHappen I pity them; they will never get minutes while Harry is there. It would take an injury like the other Harry at the back
@@WatchMagicHappenon what basis is he a better penalty taker? He’s a class penalty taker for sure but no evidence he’s better. Kane has a way bigger sample size and in way more high pressure situations.
@@abdelrahmanelmasry5044 hes 28 of 30 in his career, hes a penalty technician
Kane is clearly struggling to make any impact so far (apart from his goals.
Personally against the Dutch, I would opt for Watkins to utilise his speed against Virgil Van Dyke, but as we all know Southgate will stick with his plan A until it is nearly too late
40 mins out a 41 minute podcast and 4 things stand out
1. Nobody mentioning the political aspect of leaving out the England captain if they go on win the title, it's a bad look, similar to Rooney lifting the Europa league.
2 Olie Watkins record against VVD is very impressive including a famous hat trick in the villa 7-2 win
3 history has shown different occasions how a back up striker had a make difference eg Geoff Hurst
4 no mention of Cody Gakpo who has clearly been the best and the most effective forward player the tournament. It's been pretty clear to see stop Gakpo stop the Netherlands.
Defo reduce his minutes
Kane has been Englands best player last 5-6 yrs but i agree he doesn’t look the sharpest
Yes
Yes!
Yes!!!
Yes!!!!
Holding England back because of his selfish desire for records etc.
Would prefer a 100% channel runner than a 5% magical moment has been.
Came here to watch this AFTER the Watkins goal! Lets see! xD
Kane isn't getting service as a striker because he's not getting into the right positions. He's clogging up the areas where Foden/Bellingham are operating. We need someone to run into the box.
Yes
To me it's simple. The lack of balance and absence of left sided attacks forces Kane out of position and he is less effective
YESSSSS
You should if you want to progress, but Southgate won't because it's what he does.
Southgate famously bad at progressing in tournaments...
If Kane had gone near post/edge of six yard box for any of Saka's crosses/cutbacks, he would have scored a couple of goals, easy. The fact that he is so hungry for goals, he would be there if he could be there, so there is definitely something wrong, probably with his fitness. Look at Kane's touches/passes/heat map in the context of the team's and you can see there is a big problem for England. We are not getting anything like enough people into the box and Kane is largely responsible for that ...
Funnily enough, Southgate shoehorning best possible players onto a pitch just for the sake of having them all on doesn't work well!
Too late to change anything now but the team needs to always be catered around how to get the best out of your goalscorer. Kane needs speed each side to set up his attacks in the box and another striker/fales 9/very attacking midfileder alongside to link up and make the runs beyond him.
Foden and Saka aren't staying wide enoug, always cutting into the middle (fair play Saka for scoring when doing so though) and clog up Kane's areas & Bellingham is trying to do Kane's other role as the playmaking forward rather than making the runs beyond him onto the last defender like Dele used to.
Not hard to solve for a decent coach, shame Southgate is way too defensive to allow for wingers to play as wingers and a midfielder to run ahead of the striker...
HK needs to start & TAA should also be selected on the advanced right [initially] so he can supply crosses for him as the Dutch look suspect in the air. 2nd half I’d bring on Saka to go in behind when we get in front 🏴
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Saying kane offers something defensive shows a complete lack of football understanding.
Great, you have another defender but what do you do with the ball when you get it. Theres no out so its either whack it up the pitch....yo no-one, or play it around at the back till the inevitable mistake...or someone whacks it aimlessly up the pitch.
Honestly Kanes positioning in these matches has been baffling. And he has show no speed or dynamic movement.
Its so obvious he needs resting
I think Kane is at his best when he's dropping deep and being the play maker who is switching the balls to the wings. So he needs Saka on the right running in behind and Gordon on the left doing the same.
Foden doesn't fit into that system ie the 4-3-3, I think if England are going to play the system they played against Switzerland, the 3-4-2-1 then it should be Toney or Watkins playing as the 9 as it suits the system better.
Kane is best on the bench. He scores tap ins and at this level you don’t get many of those.
@@Thehouse385I agree with that with his lack of mobility now. That said though, i do think if he was to start and still be effective, he would actually be most effective as a 10. His passing is very good. I'd argue that he's a better passer of the ball that our current 10's and he's a 9!
Palmer is the only one who I think has similar defence splitting passing ability. Even Foden's passing in that regard isn't the best.
Oil Kay right on the money about Kane. His rationale is objectively correct me reckons. Problem is the 2 options aren’t the worlds finest, although both offer different attributes that would benefit England during certain phases of play. Come on England 🙌
Depends on who will take his space.
Ollie Watkins or Ivan Toney can do it.
honest question here. Can someone explain to me how Oli can argue why Saka and Foden are not someone to lead a press. Saka is an absolutely vital cog in Arsenal who last year waas the best Off the ball team in Europa for long spells. If Arsenal was good at one thing last/this season it was the pressing.
And Ødegaard was probably the one most important cog in that machine with Saka and Havertz second.
So I don't get the Saka is not one to lead a press. He can. He is just not run around like a headless chicken pressing.
And Foden is integral in a Pep side. I think he can press just fine. Again not the typical English headless chicken style. But...
True tho foden needs to be dropped if Shaw isn't playing
I don't know if the producers at the BBC had a word in pundit's ears, but Micah Richards screaming that England were brilliant in this game is bordering on an insult to the viewer's intelligence.
I watched the game in a sports bar, and I actively booed and chanted "BORING". Any fan who went out there and rightfully expected a bit more dynamism and expansiveness to our play has been ripped off.
Gareth Southgate owes us an apology after the fucking drivel we've been subjected to at this tournament. There's being pragmatic and cautious, but making Serbia, Denmark, Slovenia, Slovakia AND Switzerland all look like tough opponents is totally and utterly unacceptable. We have the Bundesliga's top scorer, La Liga's player of the season, the Premier League's player of the season, Bukayo Saka, Anthony Gordon, Cole Palmer, Ivan Toney and Ollie Watkins in our attacking ranks. It doesn't need to be THIS sluggish. I literally fell asleep in the Slovenia game, and there's a video going round social media of a journalist who fell asleep during the same game. If we play like this against an actual heavyweight team, they will eat us up and spit us out.
We are owed more. We deserve more. We are entitled to more.
Yeah, yeah, I know we won, and I know I "don't deserve nice things" and all that shit. If that's the best comeback you've got, then don't even bother, because I'll just school you. I am under no obligation to only say nice things or blow smoke up people's arses, and I am just as entitled to give my opinion as anybody else.
If you don't like it just because I don't fall in line and say "Thank you Gareth, may I have another?" like everybody else, tough shit. Learn to, because if this utter horse shit continues, then so will I. I don't like what I'm seeing, and I'm prepared to speak up about it, as is my God given right.
We need a different manager after the Euro's, no matter what. Gareth Southgate has done wonderful things and revived our belief in the England national football team. That can't be denied or ignored, but his time has run its course now. We need something fresh, and it's not as if there are no free agents out there right now (Mauricio Pochettino or Graham Potter?).
To actually answer the question that was asked, yes, I think Kane should be dropped. He gets in other player's way, because he drops deep too much when we have midfielders who can do that job and to be honest, forget underwhelming; I think he's been pretty terrible at this tournament. If I'm Ivan Toney or Ollie Watkins, I'd be kicking the manager's door down, let alone knocking on it and asking for a quiet chat.
You'd prefer we attacked more but went out in the group stages? Who has played in a way you'd like to emulate? Don't say Spain.
@@rowancarreira2826why does it has to be either or? Either we okay like dogshit and make the semis, or play good football and get out the group stages
Play*
@MK-lb3oj tournament football is hard. Only one team is playing consistently attractive football in the whole tournament. Winning is everything
You're right - winning is everything. If we do end up winning the whole thing, the point about playing decent football is irrelevant - we are European champs!
However if we don't win then the point about performance stands.
Just like club football, unless you win the whole damn thing and are successful then you better play a good style of play
We really could have benefited from having Maddison in this team. His game is purely playmaking, and his passing could have helped us out massively in these games.
I agree- now that we see Southgate is too scared to play an attacking player on the left like Gordon, Maddison would have been useful
If it is a fitness issue with Kane then a) why is the manager selecting him b) why isn't Kane himself telling the manager he should not be available for selection?
Yep.
Drop Kane and play Bellingham as a false 9.
Foden @ 10, Saka up top on right side.
Keep Rice and Mainoo in CM
Shaw and Trent wingbacks.
Back 3 of Guehi, Stones and Walker.
Short Answer: No
Long Answer: Why in the hell would you leave Rashford at home and deny Kane a runner to play off like he had with Son at Tottenham and now at Bayern? And why is Foden still undroppable? Drop Southgate before you drop Kane
For me Foden and Bellingham are the weak links. No one else is running beyond or creating any chances
If it was club football he would be dropped, it's too big of a call, would you really do it before a semi final?
If it was club football he'd probably have the golden boot
England should drop Gareth Southgate
Hear hear
Don't even mention Arnautovic, he has been the least functional and worst CF in the Euros
he isn't England's best player RIGHT now in these Euros. Team England is bigger than Kane. Kane must step aside for Watkins
Talking like Kane is 40… he is 31!!! That is not old, he shouldn’t be playing like this. Must be injured.
Kane is 100% injured.
There is a moment in the game that I think sums up why it's not Kane to blame.
Saka gets to the byline and cuts it back front post and there is nobody there, Kane is sitting way back towards the penalty spot/leaning to back post. On first view this seems to be a mistake from Kane because the striker should absolutely be getting in there. But, I think they have trained for Bellingham to crash near post from his CAM position and Kane to go back.
Because of the position changes, Bellingham isn't in position to do that job, but because of the training Kane is waiting for it to happen. This making him look a little silly but really he instinctually followed instructions. Even if those instructions had changed for this match, in a split moment you rely on your training to make the decision for you.
Harry Kane at this tournament is basically just a Ronaldo that can’t speak English
Yes he needs to be dropped like Foden and Toney and Palmer to take over
2-0 Holland, set piece goals.
The answer. Hell no. Sure he's arrived in the box late. But if a midfield creates chances, with the ball in and around the box... then theres no better man to turn half a yard into a goal
Kane is the mist successfull striker in the Bundesliga but in the English team he sucks?
If England win euro championship 2024 it will not be England team it will be England team and Jamaica and Africa team so it will not be England team
Kane is a World class striker but England need someone different upfront right now.
Not world class striker. World class poacher
He will score a brace...wait and see😅😅
Yes. He has been completely useless.
He’s one goal off joint highest goal scorer…
@@simonshotter8960 Doesnt change what he said or what is.
@@demejiuk5660 joint top goal scorer in the euros.
That’s literally his job. He gets one goal in the final and Olmo doesn’t score, golden boot
@@simonshotter8960 And that also doesn’t change what he said or what he is. He’s been poor and he’s often poor. One doesn’t cancel out the other. Him being poor doesn’t cancel his goals and his goals don’t cancel his performances.
Obviously not
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The latest scapegoat 🙄
The answer is incredibly simple.
I feel they should either drop him or play a 2 so someone can do the running for him, everything has to be into feet absolutely zero threat in behind, he looks tired and his pressing is pretty nonexistent unfortunately
He’s done the most presses in the tournament as per Opta stats. What are you on about? Lol
@@abdelrahmanelmasry5044 don’t be silly haha where are you getting these made up stats from?
Lol
nope
Watch the game back.. Kane is limping from the 6th minute
Why is he not coming off then? That isn't very responsible.
We have talked, analysed, sold, bullshitted, prostituted this whole greatest of sports to death. Sorry guys, but you are flogging the poor horse's carcass/skeleton in the road years after it died of exhaustion in your service. You just don't know it yet.
No!
But why I am i even commenting on this random channel with 3 random guys sitting in their kitchens? go help your wives with the kids or something!
Why is this even a conversation? Ofcouse they shouldn't, should france drop Mbappe? Should spain drop Morata? No Ofcouse not
If they’re performing below average in comparison to other players, then they should be dropped. It doesn’t matter who they are.
@@RA-wp6th they're match winners and can score from nothing when needed even when they're playing bad that's the point
@@Lewis1995 We have other options that can play well and also score. We're not limited to stick with someone that's not playing well.
This has got to be a joke 😂 Kane hasn’t had service? HE STANDS STILL WAITING FOR A LUCKY DEFLECTION HE MAKES NO EFFORT
Free Watkins…..
England were losing until Mainoo left thre pitch. He's the real problem.
Clueless
Kane is so poor - also terrible decision to make him captain. You think a non-native English speaking ref has a clue what he’s saying?
Absolutely, yes. Have some courage. Drop him. He has been totally ineffective.
White saviour Kane is yet again protected by the media. Whenever he plays badly it is due to fitness issues. His arrogance and lack of tactical intelligence, particularly dropping deep and needing to connrct with the play, is never questioned. I wonder why.
Geez. Not sure that's a factor. He's one of the only world class footballers we've got. And he's the captain. Not a fan of your argument
@@MK-lb3oj oh here we go, race baiting muppet
Because his scores a ton of goals 🤷
Kane out
Kane should learn to talk English.
Please do it. I don't want England to win
YES
No