I think they're playing more like Arsenal. Arsenal in Arteta's 1st year. Passing in circles around the back. No forward movement. No fluidity. Just safe passes in circles. On the positive side in a year or so with constant training and another hundred games we might be good enough to not be considered shit anymore. Man Utd are the opposite. They can't defend but they do score goals.
as a United fan, it's remarkable how similar they look. It's hardly a surprise though really, Southgate is not fit for the job and the dope we have at United is out of his depth too. Saka has played exactly as Antony plays. No right foot, no confidence to go past a man, pulls it back EVERY TIME and passes it backwards. Also, similar to United in 7hags first season, there's this growing idea that "it doesn't matter how we play as long as we get a result". Batshit logic. If you're treading water and scraping wins with no tactical identity or system, then you eventually get found out. We got bashed up 7 nil at anfield after fluking a bunch of results. Similarly, England have a beating coming to them. Southgate is sleepwalking towards a heavy defeat that I imagine will be similar to the one Capello got in South Aftica at the hands of Germany.
@@edmann1820 Arteta in his first played like that because he knew the talent wasn't there to implement his vision and even then he was still able to institute a style of play that relied on heavily on Kieran Tierney bombing down the left channel and putting in 15 crosses a game. What's Southgate's excuse ? And i find it funny that everybody talks about how Southgate isn't using his bench properly when players aren't performing. But if you have no freaking clue how the machine is supposed to function, how you could you tell which cog needs to be remove to optimize output ? There is a no style of play other than slow passes that takes place in their half like two turtles fucking. Any change that he makes during a game is simply wishful thinking with no plan behind it. Just think about when he decided to introduce Ivan Toney to the game when he knew damn well that they would have to go direct and hope for a knockdown . He's average coach at best and England ultimately is going to pay the price for it.
"Does it matter how England play if they win?" You know, it doesn't really - but if they play like that against a strong team they will be absolutely hammered and be flying home the next day.
they've asked a question that contains about as much validity as "does it matter if me auntie has bollocks?" No, not really mate. But that'd make her your uncle
Southgate ball is absolute terror and when he comes back home from Germany he needs to be locked up for those disgraceful tactics (if you could even call those tactics). How Gordon didn't start or even get subbed on is beyond me, he has a LB with Gomez and for some reason refused to play him and this compounded with Walker being awful and Trent not being subbed on for a whole 120 mins to replace him + his conservative football is severely bottlenecking this teams potential. Bellinghams Madrid last minute juju bailed us out and we did not deserve that win (but hey a wins a win).
@@josephsmrc8588 Gomez plays either as a left sided centre back or as a left back for Liverpool whilst Tripper only plays as a RIGHT BACK for Newcastle ... seriously ... do your research before making a fool of yourself 🤣
Could have opted for bringing a left back, could have noticed Trent isn't a midfielder, perhaps making a decision on whether it's Foden or Bellingham, could realised Kane drops too deep and needs attacking pace around him and after eight years, developing a suitable style and formation might see England less an identity crisis and more being true to their nature. This is so painful to watch.
He's played in the 8 for England before the tournament and he did great. In the tournament he's played more as a 6. Why is everyone so reactionary? He wasn't even THAT bad. He just wasn't great in a team where no one has been playing well. So fans act like headless chickens in the race to find an individual to blame.
@@edmann1820 Trent isn't a midfielder and just did well against limited opposition. Southgate has brought others who actually are midfielders, perhaps he could experiment with them?
@@edmann1820what are you on about? Trent is slow on the turn, his touch is worse than Gallagher and defensively not there at all. The boy is a top class player but never in midfield
@@LittleBobbleProductions Trent played for more years as a central midfielder than he has as a right back. His overall quality of pass. His ability to do the unexpected. His big game experience. Trent pings long balls to players making runs in behind the defence. If no one makes those runs you've taken away most of his utility. Passing it sideways in circles is not really his game. Answer me this, was he so much worse than Gallagher and Mainoo? Gallagher brings a manic pressing. I think Mainoo has performed the best of the three but lets not pretend that there's been that big a difference. This isn't even about Trent specifically. Everyone seems to have picked an individual who they think is the problem or a player who they think if he just played it would fix everything. When that player gets a game and we still play shit they move on to the next one. Guaranteed if Trent hadn't played in midfield yet everyone and their mother would be saying how blindingly obvious it is that Trent needs to start in midfield.
@@edmann1820 Was Trent playing at right back when Liverpool were contesting supremacy with the best of Europe and the premier league? You are talking utter rubbish!
Why can’t you guys just admit that Gareth Southgate taking Luke Shaw was a fucking dumb boneheaded decision and that this problem is one of his own making, for which he deserves absolutely no sympathy whatsoever?
No sure I get the Rooney / Beckham comparison with Bellingham. Beckham won the qualifier against Greece almost by himself, Rooney would have run around the pitch trying to drag the team with him. Didn’t see any of that last night from Bellingham in fact the opposite.
Bellingham has decided to play the victim from day one of this tournament rather than focus on actually playing any football. He's a pissy little brat who can't take any criticism (even though he's hardly actually had any criticism). I'm cringing at that quote he put on his tickedytockstagram about critics. He's been universally praised since the age of 16 yet he's cooked up this paranoid mindset that the worlds against him. His entire attitude has been to shut his own fans up and I can see a meltdown coming when we get eliminated. He needs to grow up the little princess.
The injustice that a vibrant, well coached Georgia team have to go home whilst this dour England team shithouse their way through, boring teams into submission
On the midfield, we do also have Wharton on the bench so why bring him if you won’t use him? But John Stones has also been pretty solid in CM, who is excellent with or without the ball. Why not bring him out a bit more as he’s been hamstrung with pushing up. Also, you’ve got Curtis Jones who you sent home who played with in the midfield with TAA’s inverted role. He’s good at buzzing around and is good on the ball. If the argument against is experience, he took Phillips with only one year of Premier League football…
That's a stupid question. The whole point is the they were lucky to win. The playstyle nearly got them knocked out. The goal wasn't even from some pattern - it was a fluke long thrown that got headed on.
all 4 goals this tournament have been sheer luck. The two in the group stage were from deflections and the two against Slovakia were Tony Pulis lumps into the box.
Eventhough we won I' still angry and I'm a reasonable very balanced non reactionary person. If someone tries and fails then I don't mind but with Southgate I can't understand what he's trying to do. Also everyone can see the formation and tactics is not working but incredibly he makes no changes. Thought waiting until the 91st minute to bring on Toney was a slap in the face. Surely a manager should be reviewing the player performances, formation and tactics for each game, learning from mistakes and making adjustments but incredibly GS is not learning anything, he keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over. We lost to Croatia and Italy because we say back too deep inviting pressure and our substitutions were too late. Agasint Slovakia once we went 2-1 up we (AGAIN) sat back deep inviting pressure and yet again failed to make relevant substitutions based on what's happening on the pitch. It's totally bizarre how bad Southgate is, makes you wonder if he's doing it deliberately.
Probably because he didn't actually say that? He said they miss a player of that type (who can run in behind defenders and shoot first time) which is absolutely true?
Bellingham is the problem I see. Not only is he incredibly unlikable (moaning at his teammates constantly, egotistical, narcissistic, etc) he literally just wonders everywhere and that might just work for Real Madrid which pretty much thrive off that but you have system players and other players around them that just don't work with that. Tactically its painful to watch. He's lucky he scored that goal because honestly he's been the worst player on the pitch for the whole group stage and even before that to me (despite being the poster boy) and that even stretches back to Real Madrid's Champions League run. His PR is in overdrive as well & god damn has he changed from the humble guy to a complete degenerate. Not saying there also isn't many other issues with England but that's one glaringly easy one for me. Guy is clearly a talented footballer but in this England side I feel like your gonna have to make some big choices soon. Id start by going for Foden over him. Playing proper players in their positions (LB at LB and LW on LW). Also this nonsense about not being able to play entertaining football is tiresome. If u want to play high pressing, intensity direct football its definitely possible. Look at Germany, Austria and Spain. Get the proper players and don't be scared to make calls. He made some big ones (Grealish but even as a Manchester City fan, I don't think that was hard at all) but so far he's played it very safe on the starting 11. Use set pieces as much as possible (used to be a thing but they've made nothing and the delivery from players has been diabolical from free kicks and corners). Id figure out ways to get Trent and the best out of players like maybe have a few systems you can employ in gamestates. Make subs n stuff change things up (if Bellingham is on the bench or Trent bring them on when ur chasing the game or any of the other talented players). His loyalty to players and lack of subs is infuriating with England having arguably the best depth and talent in the world. Its been the same monotonous shite for years. I literally cannot watch it anymore and he's gone regardless as the guys say but I'd hate the narrative if he somehow got to the final again. England didn't deserve to get our of the groups let alone as far as this!
England fans seem to have short memories. Pre-Southgate, England's record in major tournaments was poor. Southgate's record in tournaments is much better than previous managers. The idea that he should be sacked in the middle of a tournament, thereby disrupting team cohesion and solidarity, is ridiculous.
I think people are looking at the other countries and seeing how well they're doing (like Germany and Spain) and expecting us to do that. But they also forget how God awful both of those teams were in the last tournament. Yeah, we have brilliant players, but if they aren't able to play together we'll in a system that's trying to do that, then there's not much many managers can do. (Although, the pushing back as soon as we go ahead is a bit stupid)
The players know. They know there should be a left back. They know there should be a left footed crosser of the ball. They could all pick and direct a better team.
@@BurntToast8511the consistent feature of Southgate ball is winning until you need to get a performance together to win. Then he falls short. With this football being his worst yet he HAS to win to justify this.
France went through via a deflected goal and they have better players than England, and they are happy wth it, English think their team has all prime Maradonas and Peles, hahahah
if they were grinding out results Mourinho style this question would make sense - but that's not what's going on, it's 11 guys wandering around the pitch looking dazed and confused, mostly at walking pace
insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Southgate is insane this front 4 can't work 0 balance 0 understanding 0 communication take Kane and Foden out get Gordon and Watkins on and watch the team run forward
If England win somehow all else will be forgotten for a lot of people,not all but a whole lot of people. Thing is England are not going to win, given the current circumstances.
It appears you want England to play well and lose again. Yet another glorious defeat! I’m okay with England playing poorly and winning the tournament. You ask any ex-pro they don’t give a sh*t about playing well in the big games so long as they win 🏆
No! It's the individual performance of each player... One can see who the problem is... So after this tournament y'all should just fire him and get an elite manager in... Tuchel will be a good choice for England....
When we switched to 2 up front we played our best football of the tournament, then after 15 minutes southgate went back to one up front and we were awful again. The formation just doesn't work, I can't believe he's used the same system 4 games in a row.
Portugal won euros after drawing all 3 group games. Spain won world cup after losing first group game. Spain won trophies cup 1-0 most games. Why is everyone so f-ing miserable.
so you've found two examples from dozens of tournaments. Yeah that sounds like a good enough sample size. You're right. England are going to win it. Well done. Here's a million pound research grant, go and do some more groundbreaking statistical analysis.
IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL. The critics are awash with watching man city, arsenal, madrid play. this is a tournament, what matters is results and moving on. England are playing very well for a tournament, but not good for league football, which most critics here want to compare with. GET REAL. SOUTHGATE FOR FOR PRESIDENT.
"He doesn't have a fit LB, he doesn't have a Mount or Phillips". THATS HIS FAULT, he is the one who brought Shaw that didn't play in 4 months and not Chilwell and then not picking Phillips or Mount 😂😂😂😂
"He doesn't have a Rashford or Sterling" - He has Gordon who is a clear, in-form upgrade. "He doesn't have a player in midfield who's good with and without the ball" - He has Wharton "He doesn't have a fit left back" - Because he didn't pick one in a 26 man squad. These problems he's brought on himself.
@Jake87275 difference is United in most seasons start off in 4 competitions. So that always gives you a decent chance to win something. Not the same with national team. The room for error in major international competitions which come once every couple of years is far smaller than at club level.
Why would we want to maximise the chance of losing by playing badly? The point here isn't that it's boring to watch, it's just that England are close to losing every 5mins against lowly rated opposition...
Did I hear “Rice was poor”? Have you checked his stats? Were we watching the same game?😂 given the system, I thought he did okay and was covering for other poor performances left right and centre.
Your title is asking a question that never happens, England never win tournaments so asking if it matters how they play is redundant..They are certainly not going to win this tournament our record away from Wembley when we meet top 10 ranked teams in the knockout stages is atrocious 13 matches 13 losses..No we will get knocked out against Switzerland or in the semi finals
England have Wharton as a left sided midfielder. What has been the point in taking him. Is this another Erikson Walcott scenario. Difference is Wharton has been playing impressively in the Prem. Why not play him ?
It matters to me, i dont watch football just so i can say "my team won" i watch football for an exciting 90 mins of entertainment , winning is all part of it, but ultimately football is beautiful game.... Southgate ball is definitely not beautiful
England have played boring, ugly football for as long as i can remember. Southgate doesnt really differ from any of the previous managers that came before him
Jack says he has sympathy for southgate as he doesn't have the players to play the standard of football we expect, then proceeds to name the players he's missing... all players Southgates left at home...😆 Southgate not forseeing Luke Shaw being a risk and not taking any back up left back is beyond reckless.
Bellingham is complaining about the criticism of the team, not of himself. And when he talks about the “rubbish” they’ve been hearing he’s speaking about the press, not the fans. How do these guys not realize this? Not saying that it’s undeserved because the press should be much harsher than they have been so far tbh
@@connormcleod9595 Fact is, a lot of sport is psychological illusion. If Portugal create 30 weak chances and take none of them, everyone thinks, "Oh, well, at least they were trying, and made a lot of attacks!" If England are super-patient, knock the ball around in midfield while the fans get frustrated, but go for a smaller number of stronger chances and take two of them, most fans (who are generally not very smart people) will applaud Portugal (who scored zero goals) while asserting that England (who scored two goals) were absolutely appalling in attack. To repeat: most football fans are NOT smart people.
Have a right footer providing width on the left and a left footer providing width on the right 🤦♂️ Saka can at least cross the ball with his right foot, which is more than trippier can on his left. Obviously teams play with opposite footed wingers, but then the full back bombs on outside so teams have to defend against it. Opponents can just stay central as no threat down the flank. Easy solution is 343 with Saka left wing back and trippier right, then foden right forward, Bellingham left so they can both drive inside. But thinking about it overall, has Southgate always been utter dross and relied on set pieces to score? Now no Maguire, no set piece goals it's showing up more, and exacerbated by actually having talented players. But I think Southgate just looks at them as penalty takers and nothing more
I feel like some journalists and pundits have so bought in to this narrative of exceptional English toxicity that they'll happily go along with Southgate's incredibly questionable logic just to avoid looking responsible for feeding into the press' apparent siege of the national team's collective psyche. Jack's all over this here. We don't have a Phillips-style player? Why did we bring Wharton along? As a mascot? And Gordon is very evidently akin to a young Sterling or Rashford. Gareth's anxiety has infected the squad and ultimately he undermines an eight year overhaul of English football. As evidenced by the youngest graduates and the age group teams, England players are taught to play a certain way now and they do play with a real fearlessness and postivity in the England shirt. It's just that once they reach the terminus of all that, the men's team, they're greeted by a philosophy that's so jarringly out of sync with what they know. Southgate can obviously be applauded for the culture change and setting us in the right direction, but otherwise he simply hasn't kept pace with the rest of the system behind him and isn't the right guy to steer the ship as that begins to bear fruit. We aren't producing players suited to this static, reactive football any more and that's a good thing.
Didn't even watch the video cause the answer is obvious to me. When they go against a team that will manage to break their defence they'll get knocked around with no answer. And in the words of the 12th Doctor. "Nobody wins for long"
The question has to be asked with this many elite players, if Southgate is now truly the problem. In previous tournaments I think he could’ve been pardoned, but this might be the new golden generation and he is bottling it. Bear in mind England fans we could have had Ralf Ragnick as manager…
The sign of a good manager is building a system around what players are available and suit them.... NOT force square pegs into triangle holes because its the only way you know... Win the whole tournament and you still got to go its awful.
The last time i heard this amount of focus on a single positional weakness was when Gareth Barry left cm role was bigged up in the 2010 world cup. England dont have build up play. It is very off to have no system for a team with this quality of player up front and in the middle.
They're talking about not having a midfielder who is good with and without the ball and they have Wharton on the bench and no mention. It's head-slappingly fecking annoying.
Inherent in the question - when people say this - is the idea that England had it under control. Nop. They were 60 seconds from going out and had no ideas - saves by a unique bit of brilliance which you can never depend upon even from the most brilliant players
Im irish so arsed about england, im just worried ineos wont hurry up and announce ten hag's new deal. Anyone but Southgate. ive spoken out against ten hag but id have him all day over southgate. hurry up. the idea of that man walking into our club, looks unlikely obviously but the fear is still there
Most fans dont really care about the style of play as long as its winning or winning enough. One thing about Southgate though is that he's not really a lucky manager. His reign has brought him constant criticism. Even semi finals and finals have not really brought him that much relief from the constant criticisms he gets.
It depends what you get out of it, and how much and how long what you've seen lingers with you. No one who's a fan is upset about the win. The joy of the last minute wonder goal and winner is enough to make whatever's gone before irrelevant to some people, but not others. Dwelling on the performance even if the result is good could be a complaint about what you've been put through emotionally, or concern about the direction of future games.
That is a very fair point. I know it would be yet another partner and Mainoo was pretty good but Wharton sitting behind him could really free him up. I don't think people realise just how good he is.
@@michaelwynn8019 Wharton is incredible! He’s young but what’s the point of bringing him if he’s not going to get minutes. We should be building the midfield around Rice and either Foden/Bellingham, with either a mainoo or Wharton in the 3 man midfield! Tbh, Kane isn’t performing and I think it would be interesting to get Bellingham as the No.9, interchanging and running channels with Foden!
At this point one must wonder whether Gareth can be arsed about this whole tournament. How can you keep playing the same team if everyone is under performing? It's ridiculous tbh
The main issue is that, despite the win, there's this feeling that this level will not be enough against Spain/Germany so, despite the amazing end to the game, it feels like it just delayed the inevitable. Now if England plays like that in the final and comes away with a winning goal from their only shot on target, absolutely nobody would care that it was a "poor performance".
Hey J P-B, You mentioned all the shortcomings of the midfielders alongside and that there is not a player who is cool in possession but also provides a defensive cover. The exact player in the squad that fits the bill is Wharton. His only appearance for England could hardly have gone better and he seems mature enough to handle the pressure
Life jacket in a tub until it gets wavy and then there is panic. I think the question that should be asked: Do England just want a trophy come what may or do they want their team to play slick football come what may? I'm sure most would say both. Right now, Southgate is playing Mourinho football, but he doesn't have the charisma to go with it. The whole situation is a real mess.
Yes, because when they play good teams, they won't win. This dogshit is only good enough to get you past the fodder. This tourney will be the 4th time that's been true
It's so stupid to say that Southgate hasn't got the resources. He could have taken Chilwell if he was so concerned about left-back. He could have taken Rashford if he is missing him now. What sort of manager is he if even after 8 years in-charge he doesn't know what players he wants & what style of football he wants to play? That's just so extremely stupid!
Gareth was 30 seconds away from being put in witness protection
Now he’s just on the watchlist
They looked like y7’s giving assembly.
Hilarious to see England play like united despite having Man City players, arsenal players Madrid and Bayern players 🤣🤣🤣
I think they're playing more like Arsenal. Arsenal in Arteta's 1st year. Passing in circles around the back. No forward movement. No fluidity. Just safe passes in circles. On the positive side in a year or so with constant training and another hundred games we might be good enough to not be considered shit anymore.
Man Utd are the opposite. They can't defend but they do score goals.
as a United fan, it's remarkable how similar they look. It's hardly a surprise though really, Southgate is not fit for the job and the dope we have at United is out of his depth too. Saka has played exactly as Antony plays. No right foot, no confidence to go past a man, pulls it back EVERY TIME and passes it backwards.
Also, similar to United in 7hags first season, there's this growing idea that "it doesn't matter how we play as long as we get a result". Batshit logic. If you're treading water and scraping wins with no tactical identity or system, then you eventually get found out. We got bashed up 7 nil at anfield after fluking a bunch of results. Similarly, England have a beating coming to them. Southgate is sleepwalking towards a heavy defeat that I imagine will be similar to the one Capello got in South Aftica at the hands of Germany.
@@edmann1820 Arteta in his first played like that because he knew the talent wasn't there to implement his vision and even then he was still able to institute a style of play that relied on heavily on Kieran Tierney bombing down the left channel and putting in 15 crosses a game. What's Southgate's excuse ? And i find it funny that everybody talks about how Southgate isn't using his bench properly when players aren't performing. But if you have no freaking clue how the machine is supposed to function, how you could you tell which cog needs to be remove to optimize output ? There is a no style of play other than slow passes that takes place in their half like two turtles fucking. Any change that he makes during a game is simply wishful thinking with no plan behind it. Just think about when he decided to introduce Ivan Toney to the game when he knew damn well that they would have to go direct and hope for a knockdown . He's average coach at best and England ultimately is going to pay the price for it.
the team with the most England players is Crystal Palace, that should tell you all you need to know
"Does it matter how England play if they win?"
You know, it doesn't really - but if they play like that against a strong team they will be absolutely hammered and be flying home the next day.
they've asked a question that contains about as much validity as
"does it matter if me auntie has bollocks?"
No, not really mate. But that'd make her your uncle
Completely agree. And if we do go out against Switzerland it'd feel much better if we actually play decently, although I struggle to believe we will!
Southgate ball is absolute terror and when he comes back home from Germany he needs to be locked up for those disgraceful tactics (if you could even call those tactics). How Gordon didn't start or even get subbed on is beyond me, he has a LB with Gomez and for some reason refused to play him and this compounded with Walker being awful and Trent not being subbed on for a whole 120 mins to replace him + his conservative football is severely bottlenecking this teams potential. Bellinghams Madrid last minute juju bailed us out and we did not deserve that win (but hey a wins a win).
It used to be called Moyesball before Southgate started wearing the miserable old Scot's mask
how is gomez a LB any more than trippier is a LB lol
England are in the quarter finals. If they’d played much better, what position would they be in now?
Southgate should've been traded for Assange
@@josephsmrc8588 Gomez plays either as a left sided centre back or as a left back for Liverpool whilst Tripper only plays as a RIGHT BACK for Newcastle ... seriously ... do your research before making a fool of yourself 🤣
Could have opted for bringing a left back, could have noticed Trent isn't a midfielder, perhaps making a decision on whether it's Foden or Bellingham, could realised Kane drops too deep and needs attacking pace around him and after eight years, developing a suitable style and formation might see England less an identity crisis and more being true to their nature. This is so painful to watch.
He's played in the 8 for England before the tournament and he did great. In the tournament he's played more as a 6. Why is everyone so reactionary?
He wasn't even THAT bad. He just wasn't great in a team where no one has been playing well. So fans act like headless chickens in the race to find an individual to blame.
@@edmann1820 Trent isn't a midfielder and just did well against limited opposition. Southgate has brought others who actually are midfielders, perhaps he could experiment with them?
@@edmann1820what are you on about?
Trent is slow on the turn, his touch is worse than Gallagher and defensively not there at all.
The boy is a top class player but never in midfield
@@LittleBobbleProductions Trent played for more years as a central midfielder than he has as a right back. His overall quality of pass. His ability to do the unexpected. His big game experience. Trent pings long balls to players making runs in behind the defence. If no one makes those runs you've taken away most of his utility. Passing it sideways in circles is not really his game.
Answer me this, was he so much worse than Gallagher and Mainoo? Gallagher brings a manic pressing. I think Mainoo has performed the best of the three but lets not pretend that there's been that big a difference.
This isn't even about Trent specifically. Everyone seems to have picked an individual who they think is the problem or a player who they think if he just played it would fix everything. When that player gets a game and we still play shit they move on to the next one. Guaranteed if Trent hadn't played in midfield yet everyone and their mother would be saying how blindingly obvious it is that Trent needs to start in midfield.
@@edmann1820 Was Trent playing at right back when Liverpool were contesting supremacy with the best of Europe and the premier league? You are talking utter rubbish!
It's sad to see terrorism go unpunished.
Vote them out on Thursday.
Why can’t you guys just admit that Gareth Southgate taking Luke Shaw was a fucking dumb boneheaded decision and that this problem is one of his own making, for which he deserves absolutely no sympathy whatsoever?
When it's Southgate it doesn't matter; when it's Mourinho, he's anti football.
No sure I get the Rooney / Beckham comparison with Bellingham. Beckham won the qualifier against Greece almost by himself, Rooney would have run around the pitch trying to drag the team with him. Didn’t see any of that last night from Bellingham in fact the opposite.
Bellingham has decided to play the victim from day one of this tournament rather than focus on actually playing any football. He's a pissy little brat who can't take any criticism (even though he's hardly actually had any criticism). I'm cringing at that quote he put on his tickedytockstagram about critics. He's been universally praised since the age of 16 yet he's cooked up this paranoid mindset that the worlds against him. His entire attitude has been to shut his own fans up and I can see a meltdown coming when we get eliminated. He needs to grow up the little princess.
Rooney didn't drag anything for England ever.
It was a joy to watch Spain last night that’s all I can say
The injustice that a vibrant, well coached Georgia team have to go home whilst this dour England team shithouse their way through, boring teams into submission
France and Portugal bore teams into submission, England can't even get teams to submit 😂
On the midfield, we do also have Wharton on the bench so why bring him if you won’t use him? But John Stones has also been pretty solid in CM, who is excellent with or without the ball. Why not bring him out a bit more as he’s been hamstrung with pushing up.
Also, you’ve got Curtis Jones who you sent home who played with in the midfield with TAA’s inverted role. He’s good at buzzing around and is good on the ball.
If the argument against is experience, he took Phillips with only one year of Premier League football…
That's a stupid question.
The whole point is the they were lucky to win. The playstyle nearly got them knocked out.
The goal wasn't even from some pattern - it was a fluke long thrown that got headed on.
all 4 goals this tournament have been sheer luck. The two in the group stage were from deflections and the two against Slovakia were Tony Pulis lumps into the box.
They were also unlucky to be barely offside for the Foden non-goal, and to hit the post from the Rice shot.
Luck is ALWAYS a factor in sports.
Eventhough we won I' still angry and I'm a reasonable very balanced non reactionary person. If someone tries and fails then I don't mind but with Southgate I can't understand what he's trying to do. Also everyone can see the formation and tactics is not working but incredibly he makes no changes. Thought waiting until the 91st minute to bring on Toney was a slap in the face. Surely a manager should be reviewing the player performances, formation and tactics for each game, learning from mistakes and making adjustments but incredibly GS is not learning anything, he keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over. We lost to Croatia and Italy because we say back too deep inviting pressure and our substitutions were too late. Agasint Slovakia once we went 2-1 up we (AGAIN) sat back deep inviting pressure and yet again failed to make relevant substitutions based on what's happening on the pitch. It's totally bizarre how bad Southgate is, makes you wonder if he's doing it deliberately.
He's taking the piss out of England fans at this point, especially with his post match conferences.
Don’t worry, after four games of the same dross, it’s not reactionary to highlight the pattern of abject crapness
My guy actually said they miss players like Rashford and Sterling with a straight face 😭 😭
Probably because he didn't actually say that? He said they miss a player of that type (who can run in behind defenders and shoot first time) which is absolutely true?
Bellingham is the problem I see. Not only is he incredibly unlikable (moaning at his teammates constantly, egotistical, narcissistic, etc) he literally just wonders everywhere and that might just work for Real Madrid which pretty much thrive off that but you have system players and other players around them that just don't work with that. Tactically its painful to watch. He's lucky he scored that goal because honestly he's been the worst player on the pitch for the whole group stage and even before that to me (despite being the poster boy) and that even stretches back to Real Madrid's Champions League run. His PR is in overdrive as well & god damn has he changed from the humble guy to a complete degenerate. Not saying there also isn't many other issues with England but that's one glaringly easy one for me. Guy is clearly a talented footballer but in this England side I feel like your gonna have to make some big choices soon.
Id start by going for Foden over him. Playing proper players in their positions (LB at LB and LW on LW). Also this nonsense about not being able to play entertaining football is tiresome. If u want to play high pressing, intensity direct football its definitely possible. Look at Germany, Austria and Spain. Get the proper players and don't be scared to make calls. He made some big ones (Grealish but even as a Manchester City fan, I don't think that was hard at all) but so far he's played it very safe on the starting 11. Use set pieces as much as possible (used to be a thing but they've made nothing and the delivery from players has been diabolical from free kicks and corners). Id figure out ways to get Trent and the best out of players like maybe have a few systems you can employ in gamestates. Make subs n stuff change things up (if Bellingham is on the bench or Trent bring them on when ur chasing the game or any of the other talented players). His loyalty to players and lack of subs is infuriating with England having arguably the best depth and talent in the world. Its been the same monotonous shite for years.
I literally cannot watch it anymore and he's gone regardless as the guys say but I'd hate the narrative if he somehow got to the final again. England didn't deserve to get our of the groups let alone as far as this!
I agree completely
Come on! Wharton is sat there like a lemon. Saying Southgate doesn’t have an option to do the dirty work and distribute…
So bloody obvious
England fans seem to have short memories. Pre-Southgate, England's record in major tournaments was poor. Southgate's record in tournaments is much better than previous managers. The idea that he should be sacked in the middle of a tournament, thereby disrupting team cohesion and solidarity, is ridiculous.
I think people are looking at the other countries and seeing how well they're doing (like Germany and Spain) and expecting us to do that. But they also forget how God awful both of those teams were in the last tournament. Yeah, we have brilliant players, but if they aren't able to play together we'll in a system that's trying to do that, then there's not much many managers can do. (Although, the pushing back as soon as we go ahead is a bit stupid)
It doesnt really matter if they get through playing rubbish, its just a hateful, unenjoyable process.
Gareth Adolf Osama Southgate is trolling the entire nation.
The players know. They know there should be a left back. They know there should be a left footed crosser of the ball. They could all pick and direct a better team.
Who’s the left footer available?
@@Enzoblueblood Gordon or Eze?
@@trevorchapman9866 they're both right footed you dope
@@highnoon7097 it appears you are right. So Grealish was our only left footer? Wharton it is then.
Although the key issue is whether they can cross from wide left without cutting back. Gordon does that, I don't think Eze does.
To be honest it’s a massive NO. Doesn’t matter anymore just bloody win the thang
When winning means at least 4 and a half more hours of this I'd prefer we lose against Austria and the pain end
Its winning and you cant take that away from anyone, but its definitely winning hollow.
@@BurntToast8511the consistent feature of Southgate ball is winning until you need to get a performance together to win. Then he falls short. With this football being his worst yet he HAS to win to justify this.
France went through via a deflected goal and they have better players than England, and they are happy wth it, English think their team has all prime Maradonas and Peles, hahahah
if they were grinding out results Mourinho style this question would make sense - but that's not what's going on, it's 11 guys wandering around the pitch looking dazed and confused, mostly at walking pace
Of course it does! Playing s###e is not sustainable to win a tournament
You left out the tactic of a player rolling a free kick to a teamate who is looking up at the sky 😂
insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Southgate is insane this front 4 can't work 0 balance 0 understanding 0 communication take Kane and Foden out get Gordon and Watkins on and watch the team run forward
The results have gone his way though? So it's not insanity. Just a shit,boring, winning formula
And you can't replace a player of kanes calibre with watkins
If England win somehow all else will be forgotten for a lot of people,not all but a whole lot of people. Thing is England are not going to win, given the current circumstances.
It appears you want England to play well and lose again. Yet another glorious defeat!
I’m okay with England playing poorly and winning the tournament.
You ask any ex-pro they don’t give a sh*t about playing well in the big games so long as they win 🏆
Exactly @@MrMarmite5164
No!
It's the individual performance of each player...
One can see who the problem is... So after this tournament y'all should just fire him and get an elite manager in...
Tuchel will be a good choice for England....
When we switched to 2 up front we played our best football of the tournament, then after 15 minutes southgate went back to one up front and we were awful again. The formation just doesn't work, I can't believe he's used the same system 4 games in a row.
Doesn’t work in what sense? England are in the QFs.
Uff the Portugal-EM-Win should England actually give hope xD
Portugal won euros after drawing all 3 group games.
Spain won world cup after losing first group game.
Spain won trophies cup 1-0 most games.
Why is everyone so f-ing miserable.
so you've found two examples from dozens of tournaments. Yeah that sounds like a good enough sample size. You're right. England are going to win it. Well done. Here's a million pound research grant, go and do some more groundbreaking statistical analysis.
Sympathizing with Southgate over a "lack of resources" - honestly man, disgusting.
Like.... just lol.
IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL. The critics are awash with watching man city, arsenal, madrid play. this is a tournament, what matters is results and moving on. England are playing very well for a tournament, but not good for league football, which most critics here want to compare with. GET REAL. SOUTHGATE FOR FOR PRESIDENT.
"He doesn't have a fit LB, he doesn't have a Mount or Phillips". THATS HIS FAULT, he is the one who brought Shaw that didn't play in 4 months and not Chilwell and then not picking Phillips or Mount 😂😂😂😂
"He doesn't have a Rashford or Sterling" - He has Gordon who is a clear, in-form upgrade.
"He doesn't have a player in midfield who's good with and without the ball" - He has Wharton
"He doesn't have a fit left back" - Because he didn't pick one in a 26 man squad.
These problems he's brought on himself.
No, football is about winning. Look at Man Uniteds FA Cup wins last year, awful performances up until the final 👍
Name a club who both consistently played terribly but KEPT winning... I'll wait..
@@tommysmith7462Manchester United. Played awful for the past 2 seasons under Ten Hag but won 2 trophies 👍
@Jake87275 difference is United in most seasons start off in 4 competitions. So that always gives you a decent chance to win something. Not the same with national team. The room for error in major international competitions which come once every couple of years is far smaller than at club level.
Why would we want to maximise the chance of losing by playing badly? The point here isn't that it's boring to watch, it's just that England are close to losing every 5mins against lowly rated opposition...
Did I hear “Rice was poor”? Have you checked his stats? Were we watching the same game?😂 given the system, I thought he did okay and was covering for other poor performances left right and centre.
Your title is asking a question that never happens, England never win tournaments so asking if it matters how they play is redundant..They are certainly not going to win this tournament our record away from Wembley when we meet top 10 ranked teams in the knockout stages is atrocious 13 matches 13 losses..No we will get knocked out against Switzerland or in the semi finals
England have Wharton as a left sided midfielder. What has been the point in taking him. Is this another Erikson Walcott scenario. Difference is Wharton has been playing impressively in the Prem. Why not play him ?
It matters to me, i dont watch football just so i can say "my team won" i watch football for an exciting 90 mins of entertainment , winning is all part of it, but ultimately football is beautiful game.... Southgate ball is definitely not beautiful
I don‘t think that England team respects the saying that football is the „beautiful game“….😢
My goodness this podcast has been a disgrace. Apart from Jacob, the other two - especially Jack is an embarrasement.
England have played boring, ugly football for as long as i can remember.
Southgate doesnt really differ from any of the previous managers that came before him
Same questions remain for French squad as England has been playing like France 😮
Bro what happened to Tyreck Mitchell, why didn’t we bring an acc LB with us?
The player's body language shows that they have given up on Southgate and his tactical ignorance
No. If England change the way they play and they win then great.
If they win playing the way they have done so far, it is the death of football.
Saying England don’t have the players to play fluid football is an absolute joke
Jack says he has sympathy for southgate as he doesn't have the players to play the standard of football we expect, then proceeds to name the players he's missing... all players Southgates left at home...😆
Southgate not forseeing Luke Shaw being a risk and not taking any back up left back is beyond reckless.
Yes, because it's a tournament. There is only so much mental and physical resilience a team has.
For me it does. It's an entertainment business. I think that the time Greece defended their way to the title made the euros shit.
Jack mate. England have loads of players in all areas to play a myriad of systems.
England looked almost as bad as Italy with better players
Is this a rhetorical question? England ain't winning
Bellingham is complaining about the criticism of the team, not of himself. And when he talks about the “rubbish” they’ve been hearing he’s speaking about the press, not the fans. How do these guys not realize this? Not saying that it’s undeserved because the press should be much harsher than they have been so far tbh
they've all been given their scripts from the PR agents protecting the brand deals
I think it has become apparent why Ben White said no.
Just win a bloody trophy and then you can focus on style!
They won't win. They should have been eliminated in the round of 16, they will be eliminated in the next match
Gomez should have played surly
englands luck will run out against swiss
Mm.. injury time against the.mighty Slovakia. Swiss are probably creaming themselves
Presumably you feel just as appalled by Portugal today, who scored zero goals in 120 mins, vs England’s two goals.
@@bonglesnodkins329maybe you should stick to fifa😂
@@connormcleod9595 Fact is, a lot of sport is psychological illusion. If Portugal create 30 weak chances and take none of them, everyone thinks, "Oh, well, at least they were trying, and made a lot of attacks!" If England are super-patient, knock the ball around in midfield while the fans get frustrated, but go for a smaller number of stronger chances and take two of them, most fans (who are generally not very smart people) will applaud Portugal (who scored zero goals) while asserting that England (who scored two goals) were absolutely appalling in attack.
To repeat: most football fans are NOT smart people.
Migraine mirroring muppets!
3:43
Delusional take
When the lose 4-0 or 5-0 it will matter
bellingham is arrogant
Have a right footer providing width on the left and a left footer providing width on the right 🤦♂️ Saka can at least cross the ball with his right foot, which is more than trippier can on his left. Obviously teams play with opposite footed wingers, but then the full back bombs on outside so teams have to defend against it. Opponents can just stay central as no threat down the flank.
Easy solution is 343 with Saka left wing back and trippier right, then foden right forward, Bellingham left so they can both drive inside.
But thinking about it overall, has Southgate always been utter dross and relied on set pieces to score? Now no Maguire, no set piece goals it's showing up more, and exacerbated by actually having talented players. But I think Southgate just looks at them as penalty takers and nothing more
YES. Obviously it does because relying on individual brilliance/moments is NOT sustainable. Simple.
Ten Hag and many United fans would disagree.
I feel like some journalists and pundits have so bought in to this narrative of exceptional English toxicity that they'll happily go along with Southgate's incredibly questionable logic just to avoid looking responsible for feeding into the press' apparent siege of the national team's collective psyche.
Jack's all over this here. We don't have a Phillips-style player? Why did we bring Wharton along? As a mascot? And Gordon is very evidently akin to a young Sterling or Rashford.
Gareth's anxiety has infected the squad and ultimately he undermines an eight year overhaul of English football. As evidenced by the youngest graduates and the age group teams, England players are taught to play a certain way now and they do play with a real fearlessness and postivity in the England shirt. It's just that once they reach the terminus of all that, the men's team, they're greeted by a philosophy that's so jarringly out of sync with what they know. Southgate can obviously be applauded for the culture change and setting us in the right direction, but otherwise he simply hasn't kept pace with the rest of the system behind him and isn't the right guy to steer the ship as that begins to bear fruit.
We aren't producing players suited to this static, reactive football any more and that's a good thing.
Toney went on in case it went to penalties. Weird choice 1-0 down but ye
He’s a striker and we needed a goal, not that strange
Jacob loves the Toon, man.
Didn't even watch the video cause the answer is obvious to me. When they go against a team that will manage to break their defence they'll get knocked around with no answer. And in the words of the 12th Doctor.
"Nobody wins for long"
The question has to be asked with this many elite players, if Southgate is now truly the problem. In previous tournaments I think he could’ve been pardoned, but this might be the new golden generation and he is bottling it. Bear in mind England fans we could have had Ralf Ragnick as manager…
The sign of a good manager is building a system around what players are available and suit them.... NOT force square pegs into triangle holes because its the only way you know... Win the whole tournament and you still got to go its awful.
The last time i heard this amount of focus on a single positional weakness was when Gareth Barry left cm role was bigged up in the 2010 world cup.
England dont have build up play. It is very off to have no system for a team with this quality of player up front and in the middle.
They're talking about not having a midfielder who is good with and without the ball and they have Wharton on the bench and no mention. It's head-slappingly fecking annoying.
Inherent in the question - when people say this - is the idea that England had it under control. Nop. They were 60 seconds from going out and had no ideas - saves by a unique bit of brilliance which you can never depend upon even from the most brilliant players
An old school back 4, could be the trick. Guehi at LB, Maguire at LCB? And maybe Rice to just protect them?
Im irish so arsed about england, im just worried ineos wont hurry up and announce ten hag's new deal. Anyone but Southgate. ive spoken out against ten hag but id have him all day over southgate. hurry up. the idea of that man walking into our club, looks unlikely obviously but the fear is still there
Most fans dont really care about the style of play as long as its winning or winning enough.
One thing about Southgate though is that he's not really a lucky manager. His reign has brought him constant criticism. Even semi finals and finals have not really brought him that much relief from the constant criticisms he gets.
That level of performance & winning is not sustainable for England, as the quality of opponents just gets better.
Picking only 1 LB which is injured and not played since Feb is absolutely a school boy error. There is no excuse and you cannot defend that
It depends what you get out of it, and how much and how long what you've seen lingers with you.
No one who's a fan is upset about the win. The joy of the last minute wonder goal and winner is enough to make whatever's gone before irrelevant to some people, but not others.
Dwelling on the performance even if the result is good could be a complaint about what you've been put through emotionally, or concern about the direction of future games.
Rice was poor because he has no consistent midfield. It literally changes every game!
That is a very fair point. I know it would be yet another partner and Mainoo was pretty good but Wharton sitting behind him could really free him up. I don't think people realise just how good he is.
@@michaelwynn8019 Wharton is incredible! He’s young but what’s the point of bringing him if he’s not going to get minutes. We should be building the midfield around Rice and either Foden/Bellingham, with either a mainoo or Wharton in the 3 man midfield! Tbh, Kane isn’t performing and I think it would be interesting to get Bellingham as the No.9, interchanging and running channels with Foden!
Ridiculously poor, should be coming home. Yet another game like this the Swiss will absolutely batter us.
At this point one must wonder whether Gareth can be arsed about this whole tournament.
How can you keep playing the same team if everyone is under performing?
It's ridiculous tbh
The main issue is that, despite the win, there's this feeling that this level will not be enough against Spain/Germany so, despite the amazing end to the game, it feels like it just delayed the inevitable.
Now if England plays like that in the final and comes away with a winning goal from their only shot on target, absolutely nobody would care that it was a "poor performance".
Hey J P-B, You mentioned all the shortcomings of the midfielders alongside and that there is not a player who is cool in possession but also provides a defensive cover. The exact player in the squad that fits the bill is Wharton. His only appearance for England could hardly have gone better and he seems mature enough to handle the pressure
Life jacket in a tub until it gets wavy and then there is panic. I think the question that should be asked: Do England just want a trophy come what may or do they want their team to play slick football come what may? I'm sure most would say both. Right now, Southgate is playing Mourinho football, but he doesn't have the charisma to go with it. The whole situation is a real mess.
Yes, because when they play good teams, they won't win.
This dogshit is only good enough to get you past the fodder. This tourney will be the 4th time that's been true
Not like it's gonna happen but it'll be interesting to see if England win the Euro and how the media would immediately do a 180
Jack Pitt-Brooke's summary of the English tactics was gold. Love it.
Maybe, just maybe you could stop being so arrogant. England doesn't have what it takes to be a champion. But sit on your island and talk the big talk
If England somehow win Euro 2024 it will be worse than when Greece won it. Absolute dross
the knives are sharper than ever, I feel the journalist were kind of disappointed Southgate was saved 😂
England has not been enjoyable to watch. I would however love a decent surface for them to play on...
Jack starting the video in the ‘watching/thinking/talking about it england’ pose.
Yes, it does matter. Because luck will only get them so far.
It's so stupid to say that Southgate hasn't got the resources. He could have taken Chilwell if he was so concerned about left-back. He could have taken Rashford if he is missing him now.
What sort of manager is he if even after 8 years in-charge he doesn't know what players he wants & what style of football he wants to play?
That's just so extremely stupid!
He does know what style of football to play. Pragmatic, not going 2 goals behind, keeping shape, being cautious