How To Adjust Your Jeep Steering Box - FIX STEERING SLOP EASY!
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2020
- Is there play in your steering wheel? Does your Jeep or truck wonder all over the road? Did you know that you can adjust the play in a Saginaw steering box cheap and easy! All your are going to need is a 5/8 wrench and a 3/16 allen key. Watch this video to learn how to remove the play from your steering wheel
The Jeep in this video is a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 4.7, but this will work for all Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ and ZJ
Jeep Cherokee XJ
Jeep Wrangler YJ, TJ, JK, and JL
This will also work for many Wagoneers and Jeep CJ as well as some Dodge, Chevy, and For trucks
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What is a "gas station attendant"?
Just another thing about New Jersey that is confusing and awful. We can’t pump our own gas… too much liability… gotta have a stoned high school student so it for us 🙄
Someone who pumps your gas for you because a few states have that little faith in their citizens that they don't think they can pump their own gas
Oregon presence they put gas in your car
Oh yea!
I remember now, like back in the 60's when they would check your oil and wash your windshield, and gas was 28 cents a gallon.
Hey man i turned it an eight of a foot like you said and it turned into an ied
The steering box adjustments you mentioned is the same for older Land Rovers. That 1/8 of a turn and lock it down is definitely spot on!
Thanks for all your Jeep videos from a Land Rover Discovery 2 owner. 😎👍🏽
YJ, the battery is passenger side firewall, airbox is in about the same position. The nice thing about an old YJ is that you get lots of practice rebuilding the vehicle bolt-by-bolt over the course of about 5 years. Mine will be new again in say, 18-24 months.
Well there you go bud!. I hear you on that for sure. I know every bolt, nut, and fastener on my WJ
Did this work on a YJ?
lol I smiled extra big when he said “this is way easier on a 4.0”
Man, thank you so much!!!!! All in all, 3 or 4 adjustments (I’d say almost about 1/4 turn) I don’t want to go too tight. Might try another adjust in a couple weeks. Once again, thank you!
My ZJ took about 3/4 of a full turn. It also makes it a lot easier to keep track of the adjustment if you put a little dot on the allen adjuster and also on the box itself with a paint pen to keep track of where you started and where you're clocked to after adjustment.
That is a good point.. wish I had added that... also... 3/4 of a turn?! That has to be a record
Good idea!
Followed this advice and video. Have already adjusted a 1\2 turn. Still feels a little sloppy to me but I'm afraid to go any further. Curious after 2y if the 3\4 turn @natemasterson1727 made ever caused any issues. Still going strong?
@@Joespower I daily my XJ now but I did back the ZJ off MAYBE 1/8 of a turn. Just to fine tune it. Still going strong with that though, no binding feeling and no slop beyond what the 1 ton UTK kit has inherently with drag link roll. The box was on 200k miles with no adjustment ever before that that I could tell, and I’d definitely say mine is a fringe case.
If you’re going over 1/2 turn, I would do 1/8 turn increments from there IF that to make sure there’s no binding. But you may have other slop at play outside of the box itself, and doing a full inspection of the system from firewall to ground should be done to rule any of that out. I at first thought the I joints on the linkage from firewall to box were worn causing some slop but they were still tight when I inspected them.
But the ink doesn't stay on through the oil.😂
Thanks for posting and sharing your knowledge! 98 ZJ I6 4.0 here, I have to try that, neat tip. I've replaced the wheel hubs, axles, new tires, tie rod ends, front sway bar bushings, front diff oil & gasket, steering damper. I did notice that it drove just a little bit better after each of those components was changed but it is all total markedly better than when I first got this jeep. Next up is the front upper & lower control arms and ball joints. Thanksgiving morning I replaced the harmonic balancer (it delaminated), interesting job for me as I had never removed a radiator before. What a mess! Yup, gotta replace that soon and update the transmission cooling lines, too. And I haven't even touched the cosmetics yet...headliner is shot, carpet is crap but each and every area needs TLC and will serve as a learning for the next jeep. I'm gonna get that sweater!
Rock on man! Sounds like you are treating that Jeep right. An 1/8 of a turn or so on the only steering box may be the final piece for ya
No bull explanation. Thanks for the help man. Going to try to get some of the play out of this sweet WJ I just picked up. Much obliged
Can't wait to try this on my 98 TJ. Thank you for your video!
Every time I get in my ol' jeep, my dogs have to ride too👍
Thank you, man. Had play with the steering wheel ever since i bought it but never thought much of it. Today it came across my mind to fix it. Saw this video and its pretty much the easiest fix ive done. Thanks again 🤙
Glad it helped bud! Thanks for the comment
TJs have their cruise control, tcm, and reservoir bottles over there. Good news, our steering box is forward of the grill. Remove sway bar cover and it’s exposed
Thank you for the video! My jeep needed a half turn of adjustment it isn't perfect but it is noticeably better
I'm definitely going to have to try this! My wife has an 01WJ with the 4.0 and it drives phenomenally! But over the last year I've replaced the ball joints, tie rods, control arms, track bar, and all four shocks and it rides so smooth! But the steering wheel is kind of sloppy so hopefully this will take the last little bit out!
That is amazing!! I've got a 2008 Dodge 2500 with sloppy steering but my TJ is tight. I'm going to have to adjust the Dodge steering box for sure! Thanks for the amazing video.
Been having a rough time with a cherokee as my first vehicle with a seemingly endless list i have to do before i get to actually daily drive it
Everything other than engine parts really, but really the last two things are the steering slop and a rearview now, and this vid helped make me feel better about the p.o.s. and will hopefully mean im done climbing under the jeep for idk maybe a year or so
Don’t forget the bushing adjustment on the input shaft side. It is more likely that the play can be corrected there. Also, take a sawzall and cut off the u joint splined coupling on the steering shaft and replace it with a new set-screw type from Borgeson or other quality manufacturer. The play in the steering of my ‘01 XJ was actually due to slop in the splines of the u joint coupling on the input shaft. Check it out!
I've owned 2 different Jeeps for the last 15 years, ZJ and WJ,(and just got another 99) you are my new favorite channel!
I've got a 99 WJ w/268k. Dropping an 01 4.0 in it this week with a 100k less miles, with a new cam, lifters and rockers. Also trying out the 12 port Bosch injectors.
Let me know about any problems or improvements on your WJ.
#loveajeep
Great video! I like your attitude toward things and you explain everything very well. Thanks man!
Doug, I like my Jeeps like I like my women; 20 years old and lots of problems
Yeah, you are funny
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Dude I’m dying 😂
Not to mention expensive
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I already know about this issue and how to make the adjustment but still watched the video because this channel is that good. Love what you guys are doing.
Also, what the heck is a "beer fund"? Is that anything like my Silly Soda Savings?
Thanks bud! What a guy!
How silly of me! Silly Soda Savings for the win!
Cold Snacks!!!
At 360 000 I have wore out 2 manual boxes rebuilt what I could wore those both loose and today the crown replacement goes in. Can't wait for the test drive.
Just bought my Jeep yesterday. The steering is very loose. I'm looking forward to learning and working on it!
I agree with your years of jeeps brother ! I own a 2004 Rubicon and a 2001 XJ
I subbed you because you're just a REAL DUDE! This video keeps it about as REAL as you can get!
Thanks bud! I hope to continue to keep it real for ya. haha
Well done bro. I like you on camera. You make good sense and I appreciate what you do.
I really appreciate this video. You saved me time and cash. Thank you.
Great advice man! I was gonna do this on a friend's lightly used 07 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Just popped on to make sure I was on the right track. It only has 83k on it so the steering box was my first suspicion. I can't imagine it's tie rod ends or anything more major with such light use. But those steering boxes are notorious from being a bit on the looser side from the factory. Even only at 83k on the clock it could just need a little tweak. I'll likely start on the lesser side of adjustment just to be safe.
Great vid! Did this on the yjs old steering box, did the 1/8 of a turn and even that was too much, started grinding right away, didn’t even have to take it out for a drive. That’s when I said heck with it, Durango steering box time
Just FYI the Durango box isn't an upgrade. Might be nice and new, sure, but still not an upgrade. If it's in budget you might as well upgrade while you're replacing it $0.02
What box would you recommend @@RavenRedwood
Exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks
Done this on my 96 zj a few years ago. Love this truck, own this for 21 years now, would love to buy a brand new one in a hart beat. Ps change the power steering fluid too, flush the old oil and metal out!
for the last like 5 years of my dads 02 dakotas life (trans went just at like 198k) the steering was so much worse than that. And that was the truck i learned to drive in
I have a 04 Grand Cherokee with the 4.0 and I am literally in the process of putting new parts on it almost every week it’s totally worth it a little bit of TLC does wonders wouldn’t sell my Jeep for anything
Thanks man you definitely always have super great info on all types of Jeep crap!!!
Thanks bud!
“PROBABLY NOT”....... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I needed that laugh today Doug. Blessings to the fam 🙏💪
I used my crows foot wrench set (and yes, the old lady accused me of "buying tools" but i worked better than the open end on the jam nut.
That adjustment is for removing play between the gears in (sector and worm) the steering box. It should be done with the steering box at the high point (centered) easiest way to check for play is to pull down on the pitman arm and then hit the end of the sector shaft up with the palm of your hand, you will hear it click if there is play. If so adjust the screw down just until that play goes away. If you over adjust your steering won't go boom, but it will be too tight and steer even worse.
Another huge source of play in those boxes is side play in the sector shaft needle bearing at the bottom end of the shaft. Best to replace that.
I have an 02 overland unicorn 4.7HO with select trac. Doing some work to it and will need to do this. I'm glad i found this! Thank you for the info!
Duuuuude killer Jeep! If you ever wanna sell :-) hmu
@@DEInTheGarage its a unicorn!!
Legend. I’m about to do this and Balljoints and wheel bearings. Tie rod ends all done
Dang! I wish I did this on the Green hornet WJ when I had everything apart! Great stuff buddy!
Yea bud, I bet that old dog could have taken a few degrees or turn
@@DEInTheGarage sure could bud .. JML 🤦♂️
I have a 96 ZJ Grand Cherokee Laredo best car I have ever owned.
210000 miles. Runs perfect although I can fix up a few change. Like this loose steering!
Gas is pretty cheap though not in California.
Thanks for the Vid I'm going to try this on my Jeep.
Good luck, bud!
My 96 ZJ was bulletproof, the 4L I6, and quadra-trac went everywhere I pointed it...it was offroad more than it was on the highway, sold it with 232k on it, drivers seat was all torn up from wear, and the viscous coupler in the transfer case was completely shot. I still see the current owner driving it occasionally. Last I knew it was very close to 500k on it, the current owner replaced the transfer case, its now selec-trac, and he pulled seat covers out of a wrecked ZJ. If I had known back then what I know now about the transfer case swap and how to replace the seat covers I'd probably still be driving that ZJ. My 98 ZJ was a box of problems sadly, and 2 weeks after the head gasket issue and $1200 the transmission decided to puke fluid all over my carport. So I ended up trading it in on a 2008 Ford Explorer 4.6L V8 Eddie Bauer edition...so far its a great rig....but I will someday have another Jeep, just not sure what yet, possibly an XJ (you know how customizable they are, I'd love to build a trail rig not major offroad rock crawling but something I can just take to the hills and go anywhere I want). I do like the ZJ and WJ, but would love an XJ or even an MJ. Not a Wrangler fan, I want to be able to daily drive it as well, and the Wrangler is out of the question for practicality purposes they are NOT highway vehicles LOL
My 98 ZJ drove completely different than my 96 ZJ. The 98 had U-Joints up front, the 96 had CV axles....you wouldn't think they'd be that much different on the highway but they were. I loved the limited slip in my 98 ZJ with the selec-trac though, great in the snow....the 96 ZJ with quadra-trac was awesome in the snow, but not nearly as fun as the selec-trac in 2WD with the limited slip LOL.
On the TJs the only thing you may need to remove is the sway bar cover. Thanks for the info
So I fixed all of the front end few months back .. Lose stering started few days ago after I had gotten my tires done .. Guy said everything was good with tie rods and everything else that was replaced but still have a lot of leverage in steering
I have always gone 1/4 of a turn at a time. Seems to work everytime. Not a permanent fix but it definitely works.
“ Temper your expectations “
I’ve found over the years to have LOWERED EXPECTATIONS. That way when things go as planned or better than life’s great. When life takes a shit oh well I kind of expected it would any ways. Many of us have done repairs that just didn’t meet expectations. Modifications that were just as bad or worse than the junk I started with.
Some how I missed this video.
Thanks for the videos, a laugh and some truth
Ron
I need to redo my front end on my zj, its got 316,000 miles on it, but this will do for a bit!
Thank you! I have a WJ with 200k miles. Replaced all ball joints, wheel bearings and tie rod ends. Just needed the tip on the steering box to complete the steering. Do you have any hints on premature failure on heim joints? Side wear after only 2000 miles. Greased every 300 miles and at the end of each day of wheeling. Guaranteed not from lack of grease.
Great video
I bought a 2000 xj from auction and omg so far what a nightmare. So far I welded in a new coil spring perch on driver's side. Then realized leaf spring shackles were both broken. While putting them in I noticed that 1 of the leaf springs has a couple leafs broken. And on the driver's side the U bolts someone used too short of u bolts and figured it was ok. Only one side of the u is sticking through to get nuts on it on both off them I really hope this makes sense. Which is causing the whole rear diff to move....smh. also I can turn the wheel about 90° and still drive straight at times. This thing is all over, wheel hop, feels like rims are bent driving. It's amazing what they let go through the auction. So know I have to put new leaf springs, shocks all around, control arms and everything else u mentioned in here. Thankfully I am mechanically inclined and parts are not extremely expensive. Compared to my audi that someone just totalled on me the parts are actually extremely cheap...lol. When it rains it pours.
Love the shirt sic semper evello mortem tyrannis 👊🏻 also great video and tip
I may have to try this on my Bronco 2, steering is a little sloppy in it still after the front end rebuild. This might just take the rest of the slop out of it or at least make it less noticeable. It is nowhere near as bad as when I first got it where it took quite a bit of steering wheel movement to get the thing to actually turn or keep it in its own lane of traffic LOL. Yeah it was a bit worn out at every single ball joint, and stabilizer bar bushings were all well not there.
Front sway bar worked good on my 67 camaro
Rag joint: many of the older vehicles have them they are cheap to replace and can make a world of difference tightening up sloppy steering.
Great video. I have a reman gearbox in the granddaughter’s WJ. Still some play in the system. Good steering shaft, ball joints are good. Hate to start messing with it, as we know not everything reman or not is in tolerance. Suggestions?
Thanks
David
Sarasota , FL
This is excatly what I need to do to my '93 YJ ... I daily drive it, and I'm starting to feel a little slop. Maybe this will buy me some time so I can save up for a new box.. Maybe even a Redhead gear box lol
Great video. I have a 2002 with 210k. It has play in the steering and wanders all over the road. I jacked the front up and shook the front wheels top and bottom and side to side and they were tight. No movement. Assuming the ball joints and tie rod ends are good could it be solely from the steering box?
Good advice. I would add though, scratch or paint a witness mark before any adjustments,; that way you know where it was originally.
I replaced everything except the steering box and I haven't adjusted it and it has that kinda play in it still so going to try this
Nice....thanks for the tip...
I have a 1999 Jeep Grand Laredo just under 280,000 miles and runs nearly like brand new minus the steering wheel issues that your referring to in the video. If I do the fixing myself it’s ok to drive down the street and back without putting the AC filter stuff back in place?
first thing I found wrong on mine then it was blown speaker and a tweeter not to bad. These things hold there value more in Alaska paid 4k for a 1999 limited 153k miles
I've got a 2003 workhorse p42 that has a saginaw gearbox. I tried this. Most videos I saw were people saying turning it 1/8 of a turn and test so I did. I ended up turning it a full turn. Out of fear I turned it back a quarter turn. Performance improved a little, but with all my research online it seems like you also want to tighten the top collar first and you need a spanner wrench or some other hack to do that. Very leery of messing with it. Steering wheel is also crooked so been meaning to fix that one too.
I used to drive an old p30 '84 Chevy. I think slop was just a normal trait of those step vans because of the steering geometry. It was a good old truck though. I wish I still had it because it was purchased by my father at a government auction in the 90's and was previously owned by NASA. It had the all aluminum body and was used to transport things to the launch pads. It had a plaque glued to the dashboard that said it was approved by NASA for launch transport at Cape Canaveral. I haven't ever seen another plaque like it online anywhere. Sadly my dad traded it in for a fuso around 03. When he bought it, it was over 10 years old but only had like 2k miles on it. The original engine threw a rod just before I took over driving it in 2000 because the driver wasn't checking the oil and ran it dry. I was 16 years old and drove it every weekday for 3 years after that delivering furniture. I was happy for the upgrade to the fuso though as it was far bigger and had air conditioning but I still miss that old step van.
I did everything like you said my 93 zj 4 liter still wonders all over the road really bad any suggestions.
Po432 chasin. Cats are not clogged on the 4.0 but still getting the code. Other than swapin 02 sensors you got any advise.
I replaced every component from the collar around the steering column all the way to the ball joints. I even did the Durango gear box swap and it got rid of my bump steer, but I still have slop. Any idea what else it could be? 91 jeep wrangler
Hi, this is a question, my 4.0 shift only when it is hot, the 5 to 10 minutes not, I did put all transmission selenoid, thanks you
I gotta work on my TJ box it's a 2003 4.0 and hey what's up with the romex is it 14/2 or 12/2 great channel happy holidays later!!!!!!!
Great video.
Will replacing the gear box remove the play in the wheel completely? I s the the first thing i should do.
My 93 GMC crew cab dually has a Saginaw gearbox I hope I never ever have to do anything on it because it's not in a real accessible area as a matter of fact it looks like it's going to be a pain in the butt if I have to work on it
I’ve been tightening mine but I still get wandering should I get a new one one got new track bar drag link and tie rods and lower control arms
Please make more videos on these jeeps. Its helping me a-lot! Thank you
I have a leak on my box. A little power steering fluid is noticed. I want to tighten the bolts up a bit and hope it helps. A have a little bit of play on the steering but not much thinking giving it a small turn but scared to do it as you said that you can bugger things up. I am lucky to see your video on this because many times i have thought to tighten it up but did not otherwise i would have bugger it up
Yea bud, give it a shot! Good luck!
I have 2011 compass 2.4 l wouldn’t it be underneath the air filter box as well ?
Hey dude. I have a simple, but long question. Please help. 76 cj5. Steering was super sloppy. I adjusted the steering box.....fixed. however, I found out that it takes white lithium grease. If it requires more grease, should I back off the adjustment?
I changed all the suspension and steering parts except the control arms on my 02 4.0l GC, ever time I hit a sewer cap or bump on the freeway the wobble comes and goes out, when I’m in a turn on the freeway and hit a bump it doesn’t wobble. Any suggestions
Doug would hitting a nasty pot hole cause the gear box to loosen up like that? It happened to me and I adjusted it and its fine now but it freaked me out when the steering got sloppy all of a sudden. The steering felt "pre-death wobble" if that makes sense. I've had full blown dw before and I know what it feels like when its coming....but its fine now
Thanks
Do u know what could be wrong if u turn to the right and the truck stalls? (Not the pump or filter, already changed those like 3-4 times) , it only happens in a right turn ):
2007 JK: I've done this with a newly installed (I believe brand new) gear box. It is almost to the point of fatal error. I know the adjustment is too tight because the wheels don't self-straighten when coming out of a turn. It did not fix any of the slop in the steering. Any suggestions on what else could cause the play in the gearbox input shaft?
Whats the romex for man I need the trick upgraded grounds? I have a 2000 xj
Nice video bro, my 86 CJ7 had steering like that.
I had an 84 and same.
I guess its just a Jeep thing, haha
@@DEInTheGarage No ,I had an old (63)pontiac in the early 80s and it had half a turn of slop in the steering! Haha! Made it really interesting on a very windy day or in the snow.
I used romex years ago.liked vidieo
Doug! Romex? LOL. Love the advice. Tightening up the steering on an old vehicle can make a world of difference. I recently refreshed all the steering components on my '04 WJ (240K miles) and she drives like it just came off the lot! Engine mounts took care of the low idle vibrations and I was able to convince my wife that we didn't need a new car yet, lol.
Woohoo! Keeping the old WJ for the win!
I have a similar WJ. Smokes real bad. May do the valve seals. Did you have that problem?
@@Kanakid No sir, not yet. LOL. What color is the smoke?
@@jonb2046 it’s blue. Worse at low speeds pointed uphill.
@@Kanakid sounds like your on the right track. In my experience, valve seals are most likely the culprit when burning oil. Unless it’s getting in through the air intake. Have you had a rollover recently? Lol
Nice little tip there Douglas...👌
Thanks buddy. I had to appease the Jeep gods with an offering... the troops were getting wrestles with all the small engine content.
That's what she said!
in my jeep jku if i turn the wheel while driving down the road like making a turn instead of going back to center instantly sometime i find it returns slow sorta jerks as it returns any help would be great thank u
What about the 5.2 L V8 96 model Jeep how difficult would it be to get to that gearbox
2017 wrangler and can't get the adjustment screw to budge after loosening set nut. Does engine need to be running? 🤷♂️
QUESTION! You know that little Allen head adjustment nut? WELLLLLLL…what do you do if you test drive after adjusting but forget to tighten down the retention nut and the allen nut goes flying off into oblivion spewing power steering fluid inside of your engine compartment? Where do I find that Allen head adjustment nut????
I subscribed because you said didlywops. I feel ya
So i replaced tie rod ends, ball joints steering damper, lower and upper comtrol arms, sway bar end links, and put a remanufactured steering box in my wj. Still feels like i have very little control from the wheel. It follows any undulations in the road, bump steer, feels like a boat would handle better. Also has new tires, front hub assemblies, cv axles, rear wheel bearings, pads and rotors. I don't think that adjustment is gonna help me. Basically every steering and suspension part has been replaces other than the socks and springs. Any ideas??
I just did all the bushings and tie rod ends everything front end and was greeted by 3 inches of slop on my first test drive beating on the pitman arm to get all the old stuff off probably knocked some of my jersey shore rust free it took about half a turn and it's good as new I was worried I might have made it too tight but there's no tight spots in the steering lock to lock and virtually 0 slop anymore
LOL... what an honor to be speaking with you Mr. Shackleford... Hope this helps out your Jersey Shore vehicle!
I am very familiar with that adjustment
Question I be all over the road I think it’s my steering wheel 2017 grand jeep Cherokee limited
I went a step further and replaced the whole damn steering box with a Durango gear and bolted up a brace (in my yj) it drove like a Cadillac for about a month and I’m back to about 11/2” or play in the wheel… before anyone chimes in yes the whole front end is new. Should I try this or take it back for the warranty?
Hey that dog looks familiar man looks like the one from half ass custom. Doug if you look up old Fords they had them also I don't know about Chevy but I had a couple Fords I had to do that too. Couple of my late 60s and mid-70s
@D&E In The Garage uhhh how long should i expect my 403k 5.2L 96 Grand Cherokee to last xD
I commented a few months back. I replaced the tie rods and it feels MUCH better. But still has some slack. Haven’t tried this yet. I’m leaking power steering fluid pretty bad as well. Would there be a point in even trying or? A ship said it was my gear box and wanted $800 for it LMFAO
I have a 98 TJ I love her but her steering box does have okay in it, that 1/8 rule kinda scares me now.. I’ve replaced all the tie rods but my pitman arm does sit low, not sure if this contributes to the problem.
Are the 4.7 and 4.0 steering boxes the same?
Had all my front suspension replaced and gearbox replaced. Stearing wheel still loose, what else could it be?
Mine rides fine at low speeds but gets a little sketchy at higher speeds. Does any one know what that could be? The only things left on my front end to replace are the control arms/bushings and the steering stabilizer.