The other problem is that an immortal Bene Gesserit leader would be difficult to depose. We see how they viewed Leto II with horror, not because he's a big ugly worm thing, but because he's in charge for centuries, crushing change and adaption to it. This is antithetical to the Bene Gesserit plans, or even the state of having plans, for plans rely on there being the possibility of events, of change. And without plans, what are the Bene Gesserit? I'd be tempted to say powerful but ultimately helpless.
I disagree, leto's golden path was crafted to give humanity creativity. Nature solves problems in one of two ways, either it changes the nature of the problem or does a work around. Leto's long rule forced contextual change within his imperium(people being in different locations and circumstances). Saying(leto) to the (BG) you knew of the need for the path, and the yet you didn't take it. Leto's death being unexpected, triggered the scattering, and human creativity exploded. The (BG) breeding program should have brought all of humanity to another level of existence, instead of just them.
@@heyoka33 You and Silly Puppy bring forward great points. Glad to be a part of this community. My water shall mingle with your water as we are of the tribe.
@@karenlacey4549 new forms came out of the scattering, technologies that didn't exist before, even leto said, let them flee to other universe's, not just invisibility. Notice the nervous system of the (HM) being so different the Tleilax said they needed to investigate it. Also check out the machine that triggered miles teg, didn't exist in the imperium prior to the scattering.
Slowing aging almost to the point of stopping that aging would signify the importance of the individual over the group. No one Bene Gesserit is more important than the ultimate goal.
I so agree as do most of us Im sure. However, the movies of Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune (if they ever got made) might make up for this loss if made by the right people. Screenplays often can add so much more to the general direction a story like Herbert was presumably going for.
@@MrHamncheez Yes they were. By Brian Herbert and Kevin j. Anderson. Yes, yes, they are not as well written as the originals, but so what. They are an interesting continuation of the story, and the plot all culminate far into the future in a very satisfying way. People that say otherwise are just being obstinate for the sake of it.
@@A_Few_Thoughts I enjoyed the Houses trilogy. But when I started reading the Butlerian Jihad books they started feeling very pulpy. Couldn’t get through any more
They don't fear Immortality. Everyone else fears them. With the spice, the houses of the Landstraad have people living long enough to notice if the BG used their gifts to All become Immortal. If they caught on to that, then everyone would come after them for Immortality, so in fairness. The Mother Superior isn't Immortal, because that wouldn't allow other Reverend Mother to progress, They know what lies down that path: Stagnation, overpopulation, and decline. So, they don't fear Immortality, they withhold it. Just because we can do something doesn't make it a good idea. Also, they have the Other Memory, so it isn't as if they actually need Physical Immortality.
The BG are the strongest example of one of the main themes of Dune: the wisdom to choose when to and when not to use technology. They sacrifice many things in the name of their greater project.
@@tobyvision Exactly. Immortality sounds great, and it's something that Alchemists have been seeking since the Philosopher's Stone. However, everything comes at a price. While the BG could easily live ageless forever, everyone would notice. Man is a jealous animal, and if he knew that women could have limitless youth, than the Geriatric Spice would bottom out in price. Wisdom, true wisdom is considering the Gestalt of the results of your actions. That's basically what the BG do. In a word, Gestalt. (Though that's an incredibly complex concept in such a simple sounding word.)
@@Psiberzerker This is super random, but I recognize your user name from this old subcultural forum I was a member of called Sykospark. Did you post there at one point?
@Psiberzerker key words sounds great, it would turn into he'll, that was Paul and leto's hell. Paul described it nothing new ever, no surprises good or bad. There's only so many experiences and their variations. An eternity of boredom
It amazed me every time how much detail Frank puts on the characters and their abilities. And his unique way to represent them throughout the story. He is an absolute genius!!
Yeah I read and enjoyed the first book as a kid. I probably would not have gone back and reread it without this channel. For sure Quinn is good at showing the depth of it.
The show about these incredible characters could be so good. Gotta make it to see the film first, but I can see the value of a well written and well produced show blowing up.
The problem is that any production that wasn't based upon the original Frank Herbert material would be based upon Brian's work. He's already demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding of his father's work in general and the Bene Gesserit specifically.
@@bradleynoneofyourbizz5341 make up, practical effect, digital editing, camera angles... In the TV series it was a mix between props and a young actress. If all else fails, it can be generated digitally and added to a suit that an actor wears.
A rich and extremely fascinating Universe Dune is. I love all the facets of the Bene Gesserit Sisterhood. Like others I wish there had been more from Frank himself.
Asked and answered! Thank you! Listen Quinn. Your entertainment is one of the few reasons why I don't watch Disney plus, Netflix, Hulu, and a slew of other services. It's just because my time is valuable and you are worth it. Thanks again. I think I am ready to plunk down bread for your graphic novels now. Well deserved and I have 10 people going with me to the USA premier of Dune in Imax. My garb will be a wetsuit slightly modified and that is my Stillsuit. It worked for shut up and sit down and works for me! :)
Reproduction leads to adaptation, improvement, and evolution. Prolonging life would weaken the primary drive for reproduction and impair the gene pool.
Gene Besserit (Germano-Latin mixed word for "making genes the best") fears immortality becaue then genes will stop to evolve and their very purpouse of existing would vanish
@@dominicklittle9828 also Ar-Rakis is what you have when due to rules of old arabic language and english alphabet you try to say "The-Merciful" - Al-Rakhim / Al-Rakhih what is one of 99 names of God in Arabic beliefs (Islam).
@@dominicklittle9828 Name of baron Harkonnen, the "Vladimir" means "World's ruler" or "Ruler over peace" in Slavic languages. I wonder what "Harkonnen" means in Finnish language. And name "Leto" means "Summer" in Slavic languages, but I'm not sure if this one is the proper connection here.
your site and Nerd Cookies are my main sources of fantasy/sci-fi knowledge,keep up the good work,you are appreciated… have a wonderful holiday and fruitful New Year,let the Spice flow 😉
Herbert was really bad at math. Consider that when Jessica was irked by Alia's apparent youthfulness, Alia was still *under 30* and had been living on Arrakis, which was absolutely *saturated* in the Spice! Even discounting the supernatural associations that people made regarding Alia as Paul's sister and Irulan as his wife, significant aging should not really have been expected over such a short span of time in such an environment. But then, Herbert himself tended to forget the anagathic properties of the Spice even as he wrote about them. Most characters in the early novels were very much following expectations of real life human lifespans. It was also weird how it seemed like no noble house had more than two living generations at any one time. That would suggest that they were all living *shorter* lives than we do, not longer ones! This is ambiguously hand waved as due to assassination. Which kind of made concerns about having means of slowing down aging come across as pointless. If you're more likely to be murdered than to die of old age, you're probably going to spend more time worrying about that than you are about whether some priestesses know how to live for centuries.
Jessica left for Caladan at the end of Dune Messiah, when Alia became regent at about 16. She would be about 36 when Jessica returned. Not old, but certainly should show the first signs of aging, especially on a desert planet (dry skin with very fine lines at the very least)
@@rachelbloul3986 - Two things: Obscenely rich and unlimited access to the Spice, which can literally extend life by *centuries!* Alia really shouldn't have been showing signs of aging at all during that time. She had specifically abandoned the Fremen lifestyle and become a palace-dwelling royal/theocrat. You seriously think that Alia couldn't afford the best skin care in the Known Universe? Also, she can't have been that old. Paul's kids were still literally *kids* at the time, unlike the SyFy adaptation where they were aged up to late-teens. Alia herself had been an unnaturally mature toddler at the end of Dune.
@@reggie7716 - Yes, but usually depicted as borderline elderly. Since there don't seem to be more than two Atreides generations still living, and one of them (Paul) is still a minor, that doesn't carry as much weight.
You forget to mention back in the 60/s/70s someone in their late 30s would look substantially older than today, like noticeably, I think Frank was going off this as Alia appeared to be in her 20s despite actual age, yes the spice extends lifespans but not in the sense of retaining so much youthfulness, this is scene with characters like stilgar
The way Bene Gesserit accumulate information for temporal propagation is a fractal of how Leto II envisioned the golden path, which is a fractal of Daniel and Marty accumulating knowledge as facedancers, which is a fractal of Duncan Ghola, which is a fractal of the true nature of the universal consciousness.
I don't know if anyone's read FH's "Dosadi Experiment". Especially as a further study on the 'prison planet' trope he used for Arrakis and Salus Secunda, and how living in a stressful environment generation after generation accentuates and accelerates certain genetic characteristics. The premise is, that just such a prison planet has been discovered, and had been set up as a fresh body farm for corrupt elites to live forever. And it explores the ethical and legislative nightmare of what to do with a planet full of such humans, hopefully without triggering some kind of interstellar Jihad. "Whipping Star" and "The Dosadi Experiment" are only little books, maybe 500 pages between them, but as an insight into Dune's long game genetic politics, and distilled human potential, they're pretty much apocryphal to the the whole saga. edit: And its structured and paced like a Raymond Chandler Detective novel.
I don't remember, besides lack of training, was there anything preventing a male from gaining the same internal body chemistry control the bene Gesserit have?
As far as I have found, the thing that males (with obvious exception) cannot do is the other memory. I suppose they also couldn't do the fertility control thing where they determine the gender of the baby, but I'm not sure if that counts.
I think you misread that part about the sisterhood relaxing the limits on slowing ageing during Leto's rule. The passage you read mentioned rituals and amulets and things but not the ageing process.
He meant only that they (humans) needed an outlet to be themselves, as their (BG) inward journeys were more restricted due to spice scarcity. Too much oppression through rules without rewards for a hyper-educated self creates an environment for rebellion... which Leto II was very intimate with as it was truly his plan for humanity. In the second trilogy, in extremis, it was done a little anyway out of desperation for the survival of the sisterhood itself. A BG sister rebelling on the inside could lead to self-managed immortality. Thus it was defused by letting them have their little trinkets and affectations.
Does anyone know if Frank Herbert ever released his reading list as he prepared to write Dune? In an interview that’s available here on UA-cam he mentions he read 200 books and throws a few authors names out like CS Lewis and Milton and a number of holy texts but nothing really beyond that. Having recently read those authors myself followed by God Emperor, I was struck by the references and was wondering what else I was missing. In short, where’s that particular Golden Path? 😄
I think the memories of multiple past lives are their greatest strength, if they lived thousands of years each there would be alot less perspectives to call on yamsayin
Quinn I recently found your channel after reading the book and then watching the new movie, thank you for such quality content for me to binge as I hyperfixate on Dune!!! Love your dramatic delivery and fine detail research, this is pure entertainment!
You're skipping forward from The Lady Jessica, to Murbella. That's an interval of thousands of years. Murbella is an Honered Mater, and she will go on to be both Mother Superior, and Supreme Honoured Mater. Murbella is in some ways, the most dangerous human being who ever lived. Perhaps that's exactly the person you most want defending and protecting human survival...
The philosopher's stone is monoatomic gold and many have discovered this. In fact if you wish you can buy some online. What an amazing time we live in.
hey bro, love your channel. Wanto recommend the author Alastair Reynolds to anyone who hasn't heard any of his audiobooks.. I love listening to audiobooks while double-tasking. Anyway, highly recommend, Chasm City, Revelation Space, Blue Earth Remembered. :Love the images in these videos, much better than a movie dumbedown for the Studio Executives. lol Let me know how bad it is.
Immortality is indeed a very frightening prospect. I think that's my favourite message of the Harry Potter books, the acceptance of death as a part of life.
Or generally... Why do factions in dune estimate faraway possible future higher than present... Or why do they estimate the fate or good for the many... as abstract as it is and as individual... higher than the good and fate of the individuum? Who does define why these cwllectivisms are right, or wrong? What is the source of that authority?
The fear that immortality would trigger jealousy is a minor one. The problem with immortality is that it goes against what being human stands for. Namely freedom of choice and evolution. It's the ultimate sin(mistake) of greed(heuristic/choice). I don't think Herbert intended to be complete in his explanation. He just threw what the shallowest readers would most readily accept as a valid argument. In the case of Bene Geserit it's literally the same thing. If a reverent mother choose to be "immortal" then her line(and life experience) would be lost to the "living memory". I.e. goes against evolution, as I said earlier. It's the same concept as immortal soul in popular religions.
Further the argument "if one did it all would do it" does not work as prevention. It has never worked for anyone. The only type of preventative arguments that work long term are ones where the price for not complying is understood and inevitable. Hence the living memory one is one that would apply to BG. I haven't seen that argument in the books though. Don't think either Frank Herbert or Brian Herbert elaborated further then "it's unthinkable" and the "jealousy" argument.
I realize this is a short video on the Bene Gesserit, however it did miss one very real thing. The Bene Gesserit are a direct product of the Butlerian Jihad. The fear of things that never die was made even deeper by the Jihad. This was well described in Asimov's Robot series I believe.
😅 I wonder, after a few millennia, silico/archeologists who found a few of these offerings to almighty algorithms, would conclude? Oh, the first occurrence of interactable tools resulted in deification of certain programs, and at the start of interaction, if one couldn't provide valuable input, one was to at least provide a few bytes of interaction in the form of a basic prayer. I wonder what our archeologists misunderstand..........😅
Hmm except siphonophores (like Man o' War) aren't a single organism, they're made up of many animals with individual functions that link up to form a colony organism. Perhaps you're thinking of Turritopsis dohrnii, the only animal that has been termed "biologically immortal" but they are not that closely related to Portuguese Man O' War siphonophores.
If technical & medical progress is allowed to move at it's present pace, we will be facing the prospect of human immortality or near immortality in the not too distant future.
Interesting, even if I'm not certain this will be a likely future. We are yet to come close to overcoming infectious disease, in fact we're losing the few weapons we have against bacteria. But even if we were to somehow achieve immortality I still wonder how "desirable" it would be. Most people are not interested in living hundreds of years, let alone thousands.
@@Skittenmeow I don't know about "most people", but at 68 I take some comfort in the fact that I probably won't live for too much longer. I have a fairly good life, but I am getting a bit "world weary" & the prospect of immortality holds little attraction for me.
@@raydavison4288 I know where you're coming from Ray. Even at 40 I'm a tad "world weary" I know I have lots to look forward to, but I have no desire to live for over 100 years even if my body didn't age beyond this moment. Life being finite makes it valuable in my opinion
@@Skittenmeow We are taking crude steps in life extension now. Compare Tom Cruise to any of his costars in the original Top Gun. He appears to have not aged in comparison and is known to be on a DHEA regimen.
Technically they are right. If some people can live forever, soon everyone wants to live forever. But they could stay immortal while keeping a low profile. Just prevent this information from spreading. It's only a problem when the possibility of immortality becomes common knowledge.
I can't see it being kept a secret permanently though.. if the Great Houses have mentats to analyze data coming via intelligence networks and there's bound be agents from powers like the Guild etc it's going to be discovered.. unless the ones practicing this remained in a certain location almost like the exiles on Tupile 😉
@@neilmurphy966 On the other hand, it maybe wouldn't even matter if other factions would know about it. The Bene Gesserit are seemingly very good at keeping the way to achieve certain abilities a secret, for example the voice, how to control the inner chemistry and other skills. If it would be easy to copy these techniques, everyone would do it already.
You probably get this all the time and it would probably be a Huge undertaking but...have you ever considered reading the Dune books for us? Like completely? I've read them but there's just something about your voice and the different inflections and sounds you use. I would love to just listen to you narrate them. Sorry if that comes off selfish!
still cant fully grasp the sisterhood. Even if the main option was not to become openly immortal, why not have some sisters become immmortal in secret? the world does not need to know. In the same vein, why were not diferent sects within the bene gesserit, each following diferent ideas? Were outside people aware that the sister can transfer their memories to others? if so how did they see it?
Imagine the politicking among the sisters wanting to be immortal. How many 'accidents' do you suppose might be caused so that someone could become immortal? As to different sects, I wonder if there were BG groups that had different ideas, each working towards part of a goal, trying different methods to see which works best
@@toddkes5890 on that last part: since they worked on cells and secrecy was their thing i guess that is more than likely. i have never seen this mentioned that isolation could also lead to some misleading and blind following. could the political critic present in dune be applied to the BG organization?
The BG are clearly the strongest faction before Paul's awakening. The Voice and their molecular manipulation alone would have allowed them to dominate the galaxy if they chose. It seems clear that the strictures they put on themselves are in service to their plan of creating the perfect being. They do not require the immortality as they can pass knowledge down perfectly, and the knowledge is what allows them to achieve their plan.
I got a path to immortality, Of course just fiction.🤪 Rebirth like cylon download Only a new body that "blends" personality with previous incarnation. So CHANGE and PERSONAL GROWTH. Unlike cylons. Only one catch... You have to go ALMOST to nirvana like the Buddha did. And " throttle back " before you dissolve in the most awesome shaft of swirling light. Like getting beamed up😂 As you go up, you leave EVERYTHING BEHIND like that shot on Battlestar Galactica where camera pulls back FAR away from the fleet. 😂😂😂 Lol AND ITS JUST SOOOOO AWESOME 😎 Party on and be excellent to each other.👍
A longer-lived BG would presumably have more time to collect wisdom like Yoda or Gandalf. Without transparency and oversight, you'd predict the BG would fall apart when a RM goes cra-cra. Same with all the Houses for that matter, rule utilitarian liberal democracies in the world have only gone up over time, game theory ftw. Also, I hate when people say immortality leads to too many problems, it's like saying we should all die at 30 Logan Run style to free up limited resources. Umm, aren't there like 100 billion stars to potentially colonize in this galaxy alone? The dynamic in sci fi would change if authors got it right, like the spacers in Asimov's Robot series. If you believe you are your connectome (brain synapse network) which gives you memories, consciousness and identity, and you save that with your genome (DNA, accum. mutations fixed, don't age), then you have a non-zero chance of revival in the future. Thanks Robert McIntyre of Nectome and the Brain Preservation Society! If you choose a different path, you'll be missed.
The Bene Gesserit could explain their longer lifespan as spice consumption, which if they are hanging around House leaders could be believed. The Bene Gesserit just use far less spice to maintain their lifespan than others realize, giving them much more flexibility
There has been a lot of writers that have tackled extended lifespan or immortality. One that sticks in my mind is mental health. Imagine being clinically depressed for 300 years with no medical cure. Marriage... Till death do us part? Me thinks death would most certainly be the cause of the parting. Imagine being intellectually challenged for 1500 years. How about losing a limb at age 20 and spending the next 3000 years upgrading to the next best wooden leg. Technology may overcome some of these obstacles, but that is not the point. Can the human mind adapt to a lifespan of hundreds or thousands of years without going insane? Then there are many, MANY ethical problems that probably would tear us apart as a society. How do you justify spending thousands of years of medical resources on one person. Here's your prescription, sir... take two pills a day for the next 450 years. Coma patients taking up a bed for hundreds of years.
@@toddkes5890 I don't know, but is interesting to think about. What if in our reality today, we jumped from average lifespan of 75 to 125? Would we be younger longer, or older longer? I'd hate to be 85 years old for the last 40 years. Retirement would suck. SSI would go completely bankrupt lol. So, I find it an interesting topic to think about from time to time. There could be so many unintended consequences to prolonging life. If scientists created a magic pill today to extend life by 50 years, but it would all be old age life, people would still demand access to it. Imagine if the gov't said no, it'd bankrupt us...
@@jimclark2824 One detail about the longer lifespan is that hopefully the mind remains intact. So people who are 'retired' would still be able to 'work' as teachers, mentors, and advisors. So we'd have plenty of experience still available to the people still working, allowing better training
It wasn't a near halt, they could be completely immortal its just that they weren't allowed to become immortal. Leto II told Jessica he had seen away to immortality but it was different from how the Bene Gesserit could do it.
If someone can slow their aging process down to a near halt. He can go to forgotten please when people live in eurly sesaety. And after 2 decades(or shortly) he can move from pleace to pleace when people don't know him, to cover his tracks. And no one will know his real age.
With universal travel they probably could have gotten away with it just by not being seen all that often. Skip a generation of attention, change your name, have them go into seclusion on a specific planet for 50 years, problem solved for the most part... or just share the capability with everyone else. Could have solved most issues with disease and body malfunctions that way, maybe even found ways to develop the mind even further from cellular control of the body, but hey its not my story and you need certain plots to form intrigue.
To be honest, not revealing method of of how to live forever(or very long time) is major crime against humanity. It's like not releasing cure to cancer, except much worse. I mean sure, it would have major effect in society, but then again, many technologies have done the same thing. Some might say it would make powerful people more powerful. I would actually disagree, if most people are near ageless, they would be at their prime, worrying about future, with lots of experience and knowledge. Young people are can be relatively worry free, and do not necessarily having enough experience and knowledge to see stuff clearly. While old people, are again relatively worry free about future because they are going to pass on.
Then why didn't leto used the technic of internal chemistry manipulation to live longer instead of becoming an ugly worm ?. This contradict the theory of him transformed to a worm so that he can live long enough to guide the humanity through the golden path.
Because he needed constant spice he took the merging with the sandtrout. Otherwise, he couldn't have perfect control over the future to enforce his Golden Path. Without spice, one's future visions become fainterow Spice enhances consciousness, and therefore he became the Worm not just for immortality but because the Worm was the God that humanity wanted, so he became the leader of a religion he would eventually hate to pull humans through Leto's Peace and into the state where, after his death from Siona, cause humans to want to Scatter as eventually happened in 15240 After Guild.
I wonder if there is a balance between passing knowledge and constantly resynthesizing it from the ground up. With humans we are a prepackaged bunch of genetic impulses and those impulses result in a connection of feeling some way about our reality. The interface between how we are programmed to feel and what input reality gives us literally brings in knowledge that is inherent in the universe. Some may accept this knowledge in a more conscious way by making mental frameworks. The frameworks are a system for how to process input and reduce it to fewer relevant details so the core of our consciousness can weigh simple logical choices between much less data than the actual reality. This is really a whole pipeline connecting the immense (maybe infinite) amount of information in true reality to the smaller amount of information within our core consciousness. The pipeline must be robust to ensure that our simple decisions are in line with such a complex reality. To some degree this robustness comes from a balance between all parts of the pipeline. Passing knowledge as logical frameworks is only part of that pipeline although it sits relatively close to the core consciousness.
Yeah, one of the least realistic aspects of the Dune universe; if they could extend life, it's likely they're have a secret ruler that tries to stay immortal, and also an internal police of sorts that kills any sister found trying to remain immortal.
Or set up a BG planet, where the near-immortals live longer. They can also set up a few brothels, where women who have excellent knowledge of their body and how to use it are used to get genetic samples from various houses. Thanks to their body control, STDs are not an issue
@@toddkes5890 The BG were already well experienced in sex. Imprinting was a thing. They knew more about it than the HM. There probably wasn't much more of value they could learn.
@@jimclark2824 They're not trying to learn about sex, they're trying to get gene samples from the various Houses. This way they can check on the status of the various breeding programs, and on rare occasions see if there is a promising sample among someone who is not in a House
@@toddkes5890 I have no idea why my comment showed up as a response to this post. I commented under a post that said it would be cool for the BG to have immortality and open a brothel on a secret planet and learn all about sex. UA-cam has done this to me a few times lately.
The problem is that everyone would then be wanting your secret, and would do anything to have it. Have fun being pursued by a wide variety of bounty hunters, and if anyone gets control over you, expect to become a guinea pig
The other problem is that an immortal Bene Gesserit leader would be difficult to depose. We see how they viewed Leto II with horror, not because he's a big ugly worm thing, but because he's in charge for centuries, crushing change and adaption to it. This is antithetical to the Bene Gesserit plans, or even the state of having plans, for plans rely on there being the possibility of events, of change. And without plans, what are the Bene Gesserit? I'd be tempted to say powerful but ultimately helpless.
As they were during the God Emperor's time.
The two KH were a major spanner in the works...
I disagree, leto's golden path was crafted to give humanity creativity. Nature solves problems in one of two ways, either it changes the nature of the problem or does a work around. Leto's long rule forced contextual change within his imperium(people being in different locations and circumstances). Saying(leto) to the (BG) you knew of the need for the path, and the yet you didn't take it. Leto's death being unexpected, triggered the scattering, and human creativity exploded. The (BG) breeding program should have brought all of humanity to another level of existence, instead of just them.
@@heyoka33 You and Silly Puppy bring forward great points. Glad to be a part of this community. My water shall mingle with your water as we are of the tribe.
@@heyoka33 No Leto's plan gave them invisibility to the sight, nothing else.
@@karenlacey4549 new forms came out of the scattering, technologies that didn't exist before, even leto said, let them flee to other universe's, not just invisibility. Notice the nervous system of the (HM) being so different the Tleilax said they needed to investigate it. Also check out the machine that triggered miles teg, didn't exist in the imperium prior to the scattering.
Slowing aging almost to the point of stopping that aging would signify the importance of the individual over the group. No one Bene Gesserit is more important than the ultimate goal.
☝This right here! 100% on the money!
And what is the goal? @bobina05
@@diago951 Read the books
i just finished chapter house again. maaaaaaaaannnnnn i really wish frank had finished. so many interesting bene gesserit happenings!
I so agree as do most of us Im sure.
However, the movies of Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune (if they ever got made) might make up for this loss if made by the right people.
Screenplays often can add so much more to the general direction a story like Herbert was presumably going for.
I wish he had cause his son's books are so repetative
@@Cypher5235 what books no sequels were ever written by anybody
@@MrHamncheez Yes they were. By Brian Herbert and Kevin j. Anderson. Yes, yes, they are not as well written as the originals, but so what. They are an interesting continuation of the story, and the plot all culminate far into the future in a very satisfying way. People that say otherwise are just being obstinate for the sake of it.
@@A_Few_Thoughts I enjoyed the Houses trilogy. But when I started reading the Butlerian Jihad books they started feeling very pulpy. Couldn’t get through any more
They don't fear Immortality. Everyone else fears them. With the spice, the houses of the Landstraad have people living long enough to notice if the BG used their gifts to All become Immortal. If they caught on to that, then everyone would come after them for Immortality, so in fairness. The Mother Superior isn't Immortal, because that wouldn't allow other Reverend Mother to progress, They know what lies down that path: Stagnation, overpopulation, and decline. So, they don't fear Immortality, they withhold it. Just because we can do something doesn't make it a good idea. Also, they have the Other Memory, so it isn't as if they actually need Physical Immortality.
great post
The BG are the strongest example of one of the main themes of Dune: the wisdom to choose when to and when not to use technology. They sacrifice many things in the name of their greater project.
@@tobyvision Exactly. Immortality sounds great, and it's something that Alchemists have been seeking since the Philosopher's Stone. However, everything comes at a price. While the BG could easily live ageless forever, everyone would notice. Man is a jealous animal, and if he knew that women could have limitless youth, than the Geriatric Spice would bottom out in price. Wisdom, true wisdom is considering the Gestalt of the results of your actions. That's basically what the BG do. In a word, Gestalt. (Though that's an incredibly complex concept in such a simple sounding word.)
@@Psiberzerker This is super random, but I recognize your user name from this old subcultural forum I was a member of called Sykospark. Did you post there at one point?
@Psiberzerker key words sounds great, it would turn into he'll, that was Paul and leto's hell. Paul described it nothing new ever, no surprises good or bad. There's only so many experiences and their variations. An eternity of boredom
It amazed me every time how much detail Frank puts on the characters and their abilities.
And his unique way to represent them throughout the story.
He is an absolute genius!!
I dont know why i feel i should write this, but man i appreciate you alot. you make some of my favorite content on the site, keep rocking quinn!
I’ve always liked surface level dune after finding this guy I now have a whole new understanding and love of deep dune. The deepest duneage
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Yeah I read and enjoyed the first book as a kid. I probably would not have gone back and reread it without this channel. For sure Quinn is good at showing the depth of it.
@@maxfmfdm I came for game of thrones videos if i remember correctly and ended up staying for the dune.
The show about these incredible characters could be so good. Gotta make it to see the film first, but I can see the value of a well written and well produced show blowing up.
A series about the Bene Gesserit on the order of "The Mandalorian" might have a lot of potential. I'd watch it.
The problem is that any production that wasn't based upon the original Frank Herbert material would be based upon Brian's work.
He's already demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding of his father's work in general and the Bene Gesserit specifically.
I really want to see how they'll handle Alia in the new movies
She was smoking hot in the tv series. That yoga scene.
Where are they going to find a five year old actress who can portray a woman with tens of thousands of years of lifetimes?
@@bradleynoneofyourbizz5341 Are you new to cinema?
@@Asporez Yes. Why don't you explain it to me?
@@bradleynoneofyourbizz5341 make up, practical effect, digital editing, camera angles...
In the TV series it was a mix between props and a young actress.
If all else fails, it can be generated digitally and added to a suit that an actor wears.
A rich and extremely fascinating Universe Dune is. I love all the facets of the Bene Gesserit Sisterhood. Like others I wish there had been more from Frank himself.
Asked and answered! Thank you! Listen Quinn. Your entertainment is one of the few reasons why I don't watch Disney plus, Netflix, Hulu, and a slew of other services. It's just because my time is valuable and you are worth it. Thanks again. I think I am ready to plunk down bread for your graphic novels now. Well deserved and I have 10 people going with me to the USA premier of Dune in Imax. My garb will be a wetsuit slightly modified and that is my Stillsuit. It worked for shut up and sit down and works for me! :)
1:45 Okay I WANT Charles Dance to play Shaddam 😍
Reproduction leads to adaptation, improvement, and evolution. Prolonging life would weaken the primary drive for reproduction and impair the gene pool.
I was literally just thinking about this question. Thank you!
Gene Besserit (Germano-Latin mixed word for "making genes the best") fears immortality becaue then genes will stop to evolve and their very purpouse of existing would vanish
so frank switched the first letters between the words?
@@dominicklittle9828 yes
Love his word choice so much. If it wasn’t for Quinn I wouldn’t have ever found out. Wish I was a reader.
@@dominicklittle9828 also Ar-Rakis is what you have when due to rules of old arabic language and english alphabet you try to say "The-Merciful" - Al-Rakhim / Al-Rakhih what is one of 99 names of God in Arabic beliefs (Islam).
@@dominicklittle9828 Name of baron Harkonnen, the "Vladimir" means "World's ruler" or "Ruler over peace" in Slavic languages. I wonder what "Harkonnen" means in Finnish language.
And name "Leto" means "Summer" in Slavic languages, but I'm not sure if this one is the proper connection here.
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your site and Nerd Cookies are my main sources of fantasy/sci-fi knowledge,keep up the good work,you are appreciated… have a wonderful holiday and fruitful New Year,let the Spice flow 😉
You got me ready to read them all again Quinn, been a follower since you were doing GOT videos, glad to see your still going strong and diversified 👌
Thanks Quinn I really enjoy your content and you're the reason I'll be reading the Dune series next, thank you!.
Boy this is the best video I have seen ever on this topic you are awsome
Herbert was really bad at math. Consider that when Jessica was irked by Alia's apparent youthfulness, Alia was still *under 30* and had been living on Arrakis, which was absolutely *saturated* in the Spice! Even discounting the supernatural associations that people made regarding Alia as Paul's sister and Irulan as his wife, significant aging should not really have been expected over such a short span of time in such an environment. But then, Herbert himself tended to forget the anagathic properties of the Spice even as he wrote about them. Most characters in the early novels were very much following expectations of real life human lifespans. It was also weird how it seemed like no noble house had more than two living generations at any one time. That would suggest that they were all living *shorter* lives than we do, not longer ones! This is ambiguously hand waved as due to assassination. Which kind of made concerns about having means of slowing down aging come across as pointless. If you're more likely to be murdered than to die of old age, you're probably going to spend more time worrying about that than you are about whether some priestesses know how to live for centuries.
Jessica left for Caladan at the end of Dune Messiah, when Alia became regent at about 16. She would be about 36 when Jessica returned. Not old, but certainly should show the first signs of aging, especially on a desert planet (dry skin with very fine lines at the very least)
@@rachelbloul3986 - Two things: Obscenely rich and unlimited access to the Spice, which can literally extend life by *centuries!* Alia really shouldn't have been showing signs of aging at all during that time. She had specifically abandoned the Fremen lifestyle and become a palace-dwelling royal/theocrat. You seriously think that Alia couldn't afford the best skin care in the Known Universe?
Also, she can't have been that old. Paul's kids were still literally *kids* at the time, unlike the SyFy adaptation where they were aged up to late-teens. Alia herself had been an unnaturally mature toddler at the end of Dune.
Tufir was old enough to have trained 3 generations of Atredies, almost lived long enough to see the 4th generation.
@@reggie7716 - Yes, but usually depicted as borderline elderly. Since there don't seem to be more than two Atreides generations still living, and one of them (Paul) is still a minor, that doesn't carry as much weight.
You forget to mention back in the 60/s/70s someone in their late 30s would look substantially older than today, like noticeably, I think Frank was going off this as Alia appeared to be in her 20s despite actual age, yes the spice extends lifespans but not in the sense of retaining so much youthfulness, this is scene with characters like stilgar
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Liked, subbed, and downloaded. Love hearing more about this crazy universe
It's not about living forever, it's about being hot forever :)
The way Bene Gesserit accumulate information for temporal propagation is a fractal of how Leto II envisioned the golden path, which is a fractal of Daniel and Marty accumulating knowledge as facedancers, which is a fractal of Duncan Ghola, which is a fractal of the true nature of the universal consciousness.
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This video really puts things into clear perspective. Frank had a brilliant mind. Thanks, Quinn! 🖖
I don't know if anyone's read FH's "Dosadi Experiment". Especially as a further study on the 'prison planet' trope he used for Arrakis and Salus Secunda, and how living in a stressful environment generation after generation accentuates and accelerates certain genetic characteristics. The premise is, that just such a prison planet has been discovered, and had been set up as a fresh body farm for corrupt elites to live forever. And it explores the ethical and legislative nightmare of what to do with a planet full of such humans, hopefully without triggering some kind of interstellar Jihad. "Whipping Star" and "The Dosadi Experiment" are only little books, maybe 500 pages between them, but as an insight into Dune's long game genetic politics, and distilled human potential, they're pretty much apocryphal to the the whole saga.
edit: And its structured and paced like a Raymond Chandler Detective novel.
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Quinn killing it again!!
Thanks for all the great content Quinn.
Great work, Quinn!
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I love your stuff. Keep it up man.
I don't remember, besides lack of training, was there anything preventing a male from gaining the same internal body chemistry control the bene Gesserit have?
I dont believe so, it is basically just a secret art that the bene gesserit know and nobody else does.
As far as I have found, the thing that males (with obvious exception) cannot do is the other memory. I suppose they also couldn't do the fertility control thing where they determine the gender of the baby, but I'm not sure if that counts.
another dope video man, a go to in these times... apprec
I think you misread that part about the sisterhood relaxing the limits on slowing ageing during Leto's rule. The passage you read mentioned rituals and amulets and things but not the ageing process.
He meant only that they (humans) needed an outlet to be themselves, as their (BG) inward journeys were more restricted due to spice scarcity. Too much oppression through rules without rewards for a hyper-educated self creates an environment for rebellion... which Leto II was very intimate with as it was truly his plan for humanity. In the second trilogy, in extremis, it was done a little anyway out of desperation for the survival of the sisterhood itself.
A BG sister rebelling on the inside could lead to self-managed immortality. Thus it was defused by letting them have their little trinkets and affectations.
@@mstandenberg1421 I understand, just that Frank Herbert didn't write anything about the sisterhood slowing ageing or not in the passage quoted.
true...and another one about Princess Irulan...he made a mistake about her.
Hi Quin, love your videos! And loved your tip about the dune book club!! Thank you and keep up your great work 😋
Good stuff.. When is chapter house coming??
Does anyone know if Frank Herbert ever released his reading list as he prepared to write Dune?
In an interview that’s available here on UA-cam he mentions he read 200 books and throws a few authors names out like CS Lewis and Milton and a number of holy texts but nothing really beyond that.
Having recently read those authors myself followed by God Emperor, I was struck by the references and was wondering what else I was missing.
In short, where’s that particular Golden Path? 😄
I think the memories of multiple past lives are their greatest strength, if they lived thousands of years each there would be alot less perspectives to call on yamsayin
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Quinn I recently found your channel after reading the book and then watching the new movie, thank you for such quality content for me to binge as I hyperfixate on Dune!!! Love your dramatic delivery and fine detail research, this is pure entertainment!
You're skipping forward from The Lady Jessica, to Murbella. That's an interval of thousands of years. Murbella is an Honered Mater, and she will go on to be both Mother Superior, and Supreme Honoured Mater. Murbella is in some ways, the most dangerous human being who ever lived. Perhaps that's exactly the person you most want defending and protecting human survival...
leto II
Keep doing you Q!
The philosopher's stone is monoatomic gold and many have discovered this. In fact if you wish you can buy some online. What an amazing time we live in.
hey bro, love your channel. Wanto recommend the author Alastair Reynolds to anyone who hasn't heard any of his audiobooks.. I love listening to audiobooks while double-tasking. Anyway, highly recommend, Chasm City, Revelation Space, Blue Earth Remembered.
:Love the images in these videos, much better than a movie dumbedown for the Studio Executives. lol Let me know how bad it is.
"Age slowly, but slowly age."
true
Hey quinn, could you comment on the reluctance or fear of the bene Tleilax to access genetic memory, they knew of the BG memories.
thanks for the content
love the series
Quinn, when is Ultimate Guide to "Chapterhouse: Dune" coming out?
when the movie comes out i bet
Immortality is indeed a very frightening prospect.
I think that's my favourite message of the Harry Potter books, the acceptance of death as a part of life.
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Or generally...
Why do factions in dune estimate faraway possible future higher than present...
Or why do they estimate the fate or good for the many... as abstract as it is and as individual... higher than the good and fate of the individuum? Who does define why these cwllectivisms are right, or wrong? What is the source of that authority?
choice
Whats the song in the background?
Btw, incredible video!
The fear that immortality would trigger jealousy is a minor one. The problem with immortality is that it goes against what being human stands for. Namely freedom of choice and evolution. It's the ultimate sin(mistake) of greed(heuristic/choice). I don't think Herbert intended to be complete in his explanation. He just threw what the shallowest readers would most readily accept as a valid argument. In the case of Bene Geserit it's literally the same thing. If a reverent mother choose to be "immortal" then her line(and life experience) would be lost to the "living memory". I.e. goes against evolution, as I said earlier. It's the same concept as immortal soul in popular religions.
Further the argument "if one did it all would do it" does not work as prevention. It has never worked for anyone. The only type of preventative arguments that work long term are ones where the price for not complying is understood and inevitable. Hence the living memory one is one that would apply to BG. I haven't seen that argument in the books though. Don't think either Frank Herbert or Brian Herbert elaborated further then "it's unthinkable" and the "jealousy" argument.
I realize this is a short video on the Bene Gesserit, however it did miss one very real thing.
The Bene Gesserit are a direct product of the Butlerian Jihad. The fear of things that never die was made even deeper by the Jihad.
This was well described in Asimov's Robot series I believe.
The Spice must flow.
Another comment for the UA-cam gods.
😅 I wonder, after a few millennia, silico/archeologists who found a few of these offerings to almighty algorithms, would conclude? Oh, the first occurrence of interactable tools resulted in deification of certain programs, and at the start of interaction, if one couldn't provide valuable input, one was to at least provide a few bytes of interaction in the form of a basic prayer.
I wonder what our archeologists misunderstand..........😅
01:26 as far as we know 😅
The algorithm is showing me your content 3 weeks late.
0:35 A nitpick but we know of a few life forms that are basicly immortal. They do not age. One of them is a man-o-war
Hmm except siphonophores (like Man o' War) aren't a single organism, they're made up of many animals with individual functions that link up to form a colony organism.
Perhaps you're thinking of Turritopsis dohrnii, the only animal that has been termed "biologically immortal" but they are not that closely related to Portuguese Man O' War siphonophores.
@@Skittenmeow ah yes, the Turritopsis dohrnii how could i confuse the two
If technical & medical progress is allowed to move at it's present pace, we will be facing the prospect of human immortality or near immortality in the not too distant future.
Interesting, even if I'm not certain this will be a likely future. We are yet to come close to overcoming infectious disease, in fact we're losing the few weapons we have against bacteria.
But even if we were to somehow achieve immortality I still wonder how "desirable" it would be. Most people are not interested in living hundreds of years, let alone thousands.
@@Skittenmeow I don't know about "most people", but at 68 I take some comfort in the fact that I probably won't live for too much longer. I have a fairly good life, but I am getting a bit "world weary" & the prospect of immortality holds
little attraction for me.
@@raydavison4288 I know where you're coming from Ray. Even at 40 I'm a tad "world weary" I know I have lots to look forward to, but I have no desire to live for over 100 years even if my body didn't age beyond this moment. Life being finite makes it valuable in my opinion
@@Skittenmeow We are taking crude steps in life extension now. Compare Tom Cruise to any of his costars in the original Top Gun. He appears to have not aged in comparison and is known to be on a DHEA regimen.
Shout out to general Bene Gesserit responsibility for choosing death.
Even though their motives are nothing but control and power like any other despicable organization... I would have loved to be part of the Sisterhood!
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Technically they are right. If some people can live forever, soon everyone wants to live forever. But they could stay immortal while keeping a low profile. Just prevent this information from spreading. It's only a problem when the possibility of immortality becomes common knowledge.
I can't see it being kept a secret permanently though.. if the Great Houses have mentats to analyze data coming via intelligence networks and there's bound be agents from powers like the Guild etc it's going to be discovered.. unless the ones practicing this remained in a certain location almost like the exiles on Tupile 😉
@@neilmurphy966 On the other hand, it maybe wouldn't even matter if other factions would know about it. The Bene Gesserit are seemingly very good at keeping the way to achieve certain abilities a secret, for example the voice, how to control the inner chemistry and other skills. If it would be easy to copy these techniques, everyone would do it already.
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I loved audreid , she was my favourite female character in the books...
the sharing process is what they did for the clones of cleon in the foundation show
I heard that this was because there was an age contradiction with Irulan in the first book.
Can't stagnate the good genes, huh? I sure hope Dune: The Sisterhood gets made. It seems to be back on track, so that's good.
You probably get this all the time and it would probably be a Huge undertaking but...have you ever considered reading the Dune books for us? Like completely? I've read them but there's just something about your voice and the different inflections and sounds you use. I would love to just listen to you narrate them. Sorry if that comes off selfish!
still cant fully grasp the sisterhood.
Even if the main option was not to become openly immortal, why not have some sisters become immmortal in secret? the world does not need to know. In the same vein, why were not diferent sects within the bene gesserit, each following diferent ideas?
Were outside people aware that the sister can transfer their memories to others? if so how did they see it?
Imagine the politicking among the sisters wanting to be immortal. How many 'accidents' do you suppose might be caused so that someone could become immortal?
As to different sects, I wonder if there were BG groups that had different ideas, each working towards part of a goal, trying different methods to see which works best
@@toddkes5890 on that last part: since they worked on cells and secrecy was their thing i guess that is more than likely.
i have never seen this mentioned that isolation could also lead to some misleading and blind following. could the political critic present in dune be applied to the BG organization?
The BG are clearly the strongest faction before Paul's awakening. The Voice and their molecular manipulation alone would have allowed them to dominate the galaxy if they chose. It seems clear that the strictures they put on themselves are in service to their plan of creating the perfect being. They do not require the immortality as they can pass knowledge down perfectly, and the knowledge is what allows them to achieve their plan.
*Can you tell me what subject did you study in college? Your major?*
I got a path to immortality,
Of course just fiction.🤪
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A longer-lived BG would presumably have more time to collect wisdom like Yoda or Gandalf.
Without transparency and oversight, you'd predict the BG would fall apart when a RM goes cra-cra.
Same with all the Houses for that matter, rule utilitarian liberal democracies in the world have only gone up over time, game theory ftw.
Also, I hate when people say immortality leads to too many problems, it's like saying we should all die at 30 Logan Run style to free up limited resources. Umm, aren't there like 100 billion stars to potentially colonize in this galaxy alone? The dynamic in sci fi would change if authors got it right, like the spacers in Asimov's Robot series.
If you believe you are your connectome (brain synapse network) which gives you memories, consciousness and identity, and you save that with your genome (DNA, accum. mutations fixed, don't age), then you have a non-zero chance of revival in the future. Thanks Robert McIntyre of Nectome and the Brain Preservation Society!
If you choose a different path, you'll be missed.
The Bene Gesserit could explain their longer lifespan as spice consumption, which if they are hanging around House leaders could be believed. The Bene Gesserit just use far less spice to maintain their lifespan than others realize, giving them much more flexibility
There has been a lot of writers that have tackled extended lifespan or immortality. One that sticks in my mind is mental health. Imagine being clinically depressed for 300 years with no medical cure. Marriage... Till death do us part? Me thinks death would most certainly be the cause of the parting. Imagine being intellectually challenged for 1500 years. How about losing a limb at age 20 and spending the next 3000 years upgrading to the next best wooden leg. Technology may overcome some of these obstacles, but that is not the point. Can the human mind adapt to a lifespan of hundreds or thousands of years without going insane? Then there are many, MANY ethical problems that probably would tear us apart as a society. How do you justify spending thousands of years of medical resources on one person. Here's your prescription, sir... take two pills a day for the next 450 years. Coma patients taking up a bed for hundreds of years.
@@jimclark2824 Would the extension to a longer lifespan occur suddenly, or would humanity have chance to slowly adapt to it?
@@toddkes5890 I don't know, but is interesting to think about. What if in our reality today, we jumped from average lifespan of 75 to 125? Would we be younger longer, or older longer? I'd hate to be 85 years old for the last 40 years. Retirement would suck. SSI would go completely bankrupt lol. So, I find it an interesting topic to think about from time to time. There could be so many unintended consequences to prolonging life. If scientists created a magic pill today to extend life by 50 years, but it would all be old age life, people would still demand access to it. Imagine if the gov't said no, it'd bankrupt us...
@@jimclark2824 One detail about the longer lifespan is that hopefully the mind remains intact. So people who are 'retired' would still be able to 'work' as teachers, mentors, and advisors. So we'd have plenty of experience still available to the people still working, allowing better training
It wasn't a near halt, they could be completely immortal its just that they weren't allowed to become immortal. Leto II told Jessica he had seen away to immortality but it was different from how the Bene Gesserit could do it.
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Frank Herbert created the Dune universe, and he can generate whatever rules he sees fit to move the story along. But the Bene Gesserits' "
If someone can slow their aging process down to a near halt.
He can go to forgotten please when people live in eurly sesaety.
And after 2 decades(or shortly) he can move from pleace to pleace when people don't know him, to cover his tracks.
And no one will know his real age.
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With universal travel they probably could have gotten away with it just by not being seen all that often. Skip a generation of attention, change your name, have them go into seclusion on a specific planet for 50 years, problem solved for the most part... or just share the capability with everyone else. Could have solved most issues with disease and body malfunctions that way, maybe even found ways to develop the mind even further from cellular control of the body, but hey its not my story and you need certain plots to form intrigue.
To be honest, not revealing method of of how to live forever(or very long time) is major crime against humanity. It's like not releasing cure to cancer, except much worse. I mean sure, it would have major effect in society, but then again, many technologies have done the same thing.
Some might say it would make powerful people more powerful. I would actually disagree, if most people are near ageless, they would be at their prime, worrying about future, with lots of experience and knowledge. Young people are can be relatively worry free, and do not necessarily having enough experience and knowledge to see stuff clearly. While old people, are again relatively worry free about future because they are going to pass on.
Creating a Philosopher stone require a sacrifice of a soul according to FMa
Could nanotech and molecular assemblers be the Philosopher's Stone in disguise?
Then why didn't leto used the technic of internal chemistry manipulation to live longer instead of becoming an ugly worm ?. This contradict the theory of him transformed to a worm so that he can live long enough to guide the humanity through the golden path.
Because he needed constant spice he took the merging with the sandtrout. Otherwise, he couldn't have perfect control over the future to enforce his Golden Path. Without spice, one's future visions become fainterow Spice enhances consciousness, and therefore he became the Worm not just for immortality but because the Worm was the God that humanity wanted, so he became the leader of a religion he would eventually hate to pull humans through Leto's Peace and into the state where, after his death from Siona, cause humans to want to Scatter as eventually happened in 15240 After Guild.
I wonder if there is a balance between passing knowledge and constantly resynthesizing it from the ground up. With humans we are a prepackaged bunch of genetic impulses and those impulses result in a connection of feeling some way about our reality. The interface between how we are programmed to feel and what input reality gives us literally brings in knowledge that is inherent in the universe. Some may accept this knowledge in a more conscious way by making mental frameworks. The frameworks are a system for how to process input and reduce it to fewer relevant details so the core of our consciousness can weigh simple logical choices between much less data than the actual reality. This is really a whole pipeline connecting the immense (maybe infinite) amount of information in true reality to the smaller amount of information within our core consciousness. The pipeline must be robust to ensure that our simple decisions are in line with such a complex reality. To some degree this robustness comes from a balance between all parts of the pipeline. Passing knowledge as logical frameworks is only part of that pipeline although it sits relatively close to the core consciousness.
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Yeah, one of the least realistic aspects of the Dune universe; if they could extend life, it's likely they're have a secret ruler that tries to stay immortal, and also an internal police of sorts that kills any sister found trying to remain immortal.
Or set up a BG planet, where the near-immortals live longer. They can also set up a few brothels, where women who have excellent knowledge of their body and how to use it are used to get genetic samples from various houses. Thanks to their body control, STDs are not an issue
@@toddkes5890 The BG were already well experienced in sex. Imprinting was a thing. They knew more about it than the HM. There probably wasn't much more of value they could learn.
@@jimclark2824 They're not trying to learn about sex, they're trying to get gene samples from the various Houses. This way they can check on the status of the various breeding programs, and on rare occasions see if there is a promising sample among someone who is not in a House
@@toddkes5890 I have no idea why my comment showed up as a response to this post. I commented under a post that said it would be cool for the BG to have immortality and open a brothel on a secret planet and learn all about sex. UA-cam has done this to me a few times lately.
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so why didnt leto just do that instead of turning into giant worm
The goal of alchemy is the creation of the rebis
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Are they called Bene Gesserit because they are very good in gessing things?
Like "GESSerit" ...
So alia appears to be 16 in her late 20s . 21 or 22 would be my choice but each to there own
There can be only one.
Here we are born to be kings. We are the princess of the universe.
Oppsy wrong series.
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I would halted my age and called ourselves the Immortal Sisters
The problem is that everyone would then be wanting your secret, and would do anything to have it. Have fun being pursued by a wide variety of bounty hunters, and if anyone gets control over you, expect to become a guinea pig
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