Stealth Pistol is Bad At Stealth

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  • Опубліковано 23 гру 2024

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  • @BaconHer0
    @BaconHer0  Рік тому +726

    Btw, if you're playing in vanilla, DO NOT UPGRADE THE ASSAULT RIFLE WITH A SILENCER.
    Due to a dumb bug, only the first bullet in the 5 round burst is silent. The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th bullets are loud!
    LOLOLOL #DeusExGOTYThings

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому +76

      This is another reason why the assault rifle suxxxxxxxxx

    • @penfriendz
      @penfriendz Рік тому +60

      3 damage a bullet isn't enough for you?

    • @hoilst265
      @hoilst265 Рік тому +30

      Just upgrade Rifles, stick a silencer on it, and use it for everything, from killin' to door openin'.

    • @YCCCm7
      @YCCCm7 Рік тому

      Do you have a single fact to back that up? I've checked my source code for 1112 vanilla deus ex, and both calls to signaling WeaponFire and LoudNoise AI events check for !bHasSilencer and !bHandToHand, which should never change during a weapon's usage, aside from applying weapon mods. If you're referred to the SOUND EFFECT it makes for players to hear when shooting, it does only produce a single silenced gunshot noise, because there's no full auto silenced gunshot noise, but that doesn't impact whether or not any part of the burst can be heard by AI.

    • @USDebtCrisis
      @USDebtCrisis Рік тому +20

      You should make a guide on vanilla weapon mods

  • @hyttennis
    @hyttennis Рік тому +878

    "I shoot once, silencing him with a very loud gun" 😂😂😂

    • @williamcase426
      @williamcase426 Рік тому +8

      that's the way to go

    • @samholdsworth420
      @samholdsworth420 Рік тому +4

      😊

    • @D64nz
      @D64nz Рік тому +5

      Very similar to the - There is no crime if there are no witnesses rule in certain other games 😊

    • @flazzorb
      @flazzorb Рік тому +3

      "pew pew pew pew"

    • @tudorinbogdan240
      @tudorinbogdan240 Рік тому +3

      *YOU TRYIN' TO LECTURE ME ON TACTICS?! GIMME THE GEP GUN!*

  • @TheMISTIK2000
    @TheMISTIK2000 Рік тому +802

    No need for stealth, I only need a GEP gun

  • @DarkBlackStudios
    @DarkBlackStudios Рік тому +762

    Damn, I never took into account that death screams were an actual mechanic in the game. That explains why it "felt" buggy during my first stealth-oriented playthrough. An interesting observation and find!

    • @pmchad
      @pmchad Рік тому +48

      thats something not even most modern stealth games take into account.

    • @tommcewan7936
      @tommcewan7936 Рік тому +81

      @@pmchad "emergent gameplay" (AKA "immersive sims") was *big* in the late 90s; it's fallen completely out of fashion with the current trend of game designers all thinking they're movie directors and getting very upset whenever the player tries to go off-script and start improvising. Modern "triple-A" games practically run on rails compared to 0451 games, which were birthed in the 90s.

    • @tommcewan7936
      @tommcewan7936 Рік тому +4

      Been a long time since I played, but I thought that was just realism in the design, it still gives an advantage because enemies near the target will hear the scream and go to alert, but they won't be able to instantly zero-in on the player's location from the gunshot, *if* the player is also not in a brightly lit place; any enemies very near to the player also will not be alerted. As long as you use the stealth pistol at a reasonable distance and *stay in the shadows* (it's great with a scope mod and even better with the range mod on top of that), it's still advantageous over a regular pistol.
      Also, *obviously* your footfalls alerted the guards; you jumped off a roof onto hard concrete then ran around at top speed. This is an 0451 game; it has the same lineage as Thief 1 & 2 (honourable mention to Thief 3; Thief 4 can bugger off). Walking is quieter than running, crawling (crouch-walking) is quieter still, and I think the surface one is running on also does make a difference; it *certainly* does in the Thief games.
      Also also, obviously it's not as effective if you're not at master-level; this should go without saying, but you also weren't waiting for your cross-hairs to fully zero-in on each shot, which is what you have to do when you're not at master level. IIRC, if you hold the cross-hairs on the target long enough for them to fully shrink down and zero in, you have a *chance* to do significantly more damage and drop an un-armoured target in one shot; I think enemies that wear helmets are less susceptible to single-hit headshot kills.
      I also think you may have chosen a bad level for your test run, since this is the level where the UNATCO troops start out allies and can switch to enemies at any point during the mission, and IIRC the game scripting is *very* erratic about how and when this triggers; I suspect this may cause the AI's aggro/awareness reactions to JC to potentially be inconsistent compared to the rest of the game. Even though this definitely seems to be after the point all troops in the building are guaranteed to become hostile, I wonder if each of their AI behavior is altered depending on how and if you interacted with or were seen by any of them earlier in the level when they were in a friendly-but-tense state. Some of them might seem to have preternatural awareness of your location because you pushed them very close to aggro whilst they were still in a friendly state; there's also the possibility that they're *scripted* to run up the stairs and know you must be there somewhere, because, in-story, Simons knows you must have just used the terminal on the roof.

    • @DIMOHA25
      @DIMOHA25 Рік тому +9

      Nah, I noticed immediately after trying out both non-lethal and lethal melee stealth early on in the game. Which is why the baton is the single best stealth weapon in the game. And you can always double tap the unconscious body later if you want to.

    • @penguinlordalan
      @penguinlordalan Рік тому +1

      ​@@pmchadto be fair there's not going to be a death scream if their instantly killed by a headshot. More games should have them though for when it does take more than one shot

  • @Calvin_Coolage
    @Calvin_Coolage Рік тому +360

    Yes these are valid points, however the Stealth Pistol looks extremely cool so I like it. I never knew death screams would aggro enemies in this game, that's awesome.

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому +89

      I agree. I still use it because it's such a fun and satisfying weapon. But not for stealth, just run-and-gun

    • @kittydaddy2023
      @kittydaddy2023 Рік тому +24

      Yes, it's extremely cool how the silencing mechanism is behind the grip.

    • @The_Hanged-Man
      @The_Hanged-Man Рік тому +18

      When i played this game as a kid i thought the stealth pistol was a stapler gun.

    • @diablocls55
      @diablocls55 7 місяців тому

      @@The_Hanged-Mansame 😂

    • @johnandrewserranogarcia7223
      @johnandrewserranogarcia7223 7 місяців тому

      the stealth pistol's appearance reminds me of a zip 22. too bad the real life version isn't reliable at all.

  • @delroku
    @delroku Рік тому +50

    Conclusion: the GEP gun is the most silent way to eliminate Manderley

  • @sliterhedgehog
    @sliterhedgehog Рік тому +123

    JC talking like an epic gamer is something I didn't know I wanted to hear

  • @DGneoseeker1
    @DGneoseeker1 Рік тому +16

    Reminder for everyone: The GEP gun is the most silent takedown.
    When you encounter an entire guard room full of enemies and you fire a white phosphorous war crime rocket into that room, nobody will hear the screaming over the sound of the other 10 guys screaming.

  • @adirblazkowics7717
    @adirblazkowics7717 Рік тому +77

    I think we definitely need more videos of game protagonists explaining the mechanics of their games like this, for some reason it's way too entertaining

    • @nobodyinparticular9640
      @nobodyinparticular9640 Рік тому +4

      Crash Bandicoot explaining how to do some tricky jumping: "...woah!"
      Lol

    • @cookieface80
      @cookieface80 7 місяців тому

      Some games do that for the tutorial. I recall one of the Splinter Cell games had Sam Fisher narrating over gameplay footage.

  • @TheL0rd0fSpace
    @TheL0rd0fSpace Рік тому +106

    I never realized just how small the radius of your gunshots sounds were.
    I can see why the stealth pistol isn't worth the tradeoff when enemies could be unable to hear an unsilenced pistol being fired in the same room as them.

  • @VintageModernRemixes
    @VintageModernRemixes Рік тому +111

    Hope JC got a good op bonus for the voice acting here 😉

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому +54

      I retrained the voice AI for this video. I think it turned out better than the last

    • @VintageModernRemixes
      @VintageModernRemixes Рік тому +13

      Nice yeah it sounds really good! Very convincing. It had me fooled at first@@BaconHer0

    • @MrLoneWoof
      @MrLoneWoof Рік тому +12

      Probably helps J.C's original voice acting is so robotic ;d

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому +9

      True. But did you know the voice actor for JC also voiced Paul?

    • @MrLoneWoof
      @MrLoneWoof Рік тому +10

      @@BaconHer0 Yes. i'm no criticising the actor, i'm just saying j.c's deadpan voice is easy for ai.

  • @username-eo2gj
    @username-eo2gj Рік тому +344

    Stealth pistol is great for distracting enemies. You can just shoot at the surface near them and for a good amount of time they just stand still watching that bullet hole, ignoring your footsteps ☝🤓

    • @IrrationalDelusion
      @IrrationalDelusion Рік тому +26

      Only for distracting enemies UP CLOSE, but even then it would only be effective at distracting, not killing. Maybe it can be used as a pacifist way of disabling enemies by making them surrender.

    • @SneedFeedAndSeed
      @SneedFeedAndSeed Рік тому +48

      Crossbow can also do that, and you can pick up the darts after so you won't waste ammo.

    • @IrrationalDelusion
      @IrrationalDelusion Рік тому +6

      @sneedfeedandseed You can only pick up darts if you knocked that enemy after distracting. In some situations it would be beneficial to distract while sneaking away.

    • @TooFewSecrets
      @TooFewSecrets Рік тому +2

      It's a shame you can't triple shot panic enemies in Deus Ex...

    • @DualBackdrop
      @DualBackdrop 4 місяці тому

      you can use crossbow for that as not only it is completely silent but you can recover the darts once they're fired

  • @sharoyveduchi
    @sharoyveduchi Рік тому +134

    The normal pistol is unironically the 2nd best weapon in the game, 2nd only to the Gep gun. The only reason I stop using it at some point in the game is enemies stop carrying pistol ammo so I'm forced to use something else. I wish I could sell assault rifle and shotgun ammo for more pistol rounds.

    • @danielsurvivor1372
      @danielsurvivor1372 Рік тому +19

      Nah dawg, Pistol ammo still appears in areas as loot so you can still use it if you go for headshots only

    • @burningsinner1132
      @burningsinner1132 Рік тому +17

      Game got 4 great weapons: GEP gun, pistol, DTS, Sniper rifle.
      Out of them, sniper rifle's greatness is due to ability to break stuff, not actual combat.
      Also, fun fact: Knife can kill non-alerted enemies quite easy and double stab on non fully-alerted enemy forces him to flee. Plus you will want it anyway simply for ability to destroy the dupes (So you could clear the corpses for carrying them).

    • @The24thWight
      @The24thWight Рік тому +5

      @@burningsinner1132
      Knife also still does the one tap kill from behind if you aim it well.

    • @wiinis-official
      @wiinis-official Рік тому +1

      @burningsinner1132 There’s nothing more satisfying than playing a no-scoping samurai with master sniper and melee skills.

    • @iunnox666
      @iunnox666 Рік тому +2

      Pump shotgun is super fun. Pistol is better, though.

  • @aprender1952
    @aprender1952 Рік тому +65

    Good to see Deus Ex content, even today :)

  • @danielsurvivor1372
    @danielsurvivor1372 Рік тому +238

    Funnily enough, it kinda does make sense why Stealth pistol is "less stealthy"
    Think about it, if you insta kill enemy, all his buddies know is that he died, but don't know where shot came from, but if you just WOUNDED him, he and his buddies have time to think about your theoretical position.😅

    • @badideagenerator2315
      @badideagenerator2315 Рік тому +13

      reminds me of the various silent weapons that allied secret services devised during ww2.
      they included a crossbow pistol and a dart gun.
      the problem was that sentries shot with them still screamed out, so they just settled for suppressed guns instead.

    • @Danlovar
      @Danlovar Рік тому +3

      If you baton your ally troops in the Paul nsf satellite mission no one says anything, they must think they are tired lol.

  • @tadzy1360
    @tadzy1360 Рік тому +110

    It's impressive just how fleshed out the stealth system and guard alert ai is for a game made in 2000. The more I learn about this game even after 150 hours of playing it the more impressed I am.

    • @KiraSlith
      @KiraSlith Рік тому +14

      Mechanically fleshed out, design wise it's very much in it's infancy. The Stealth Pistol should 1 shot headshot at trained, that's just basic game design logic. It's worthless otherwise and shouldn't be offered as starting gear.

    • @FelineRed
      @FelineRed Рік тому +7

      Thief the Dark Project and Thief 2 the Metal Age do it better and former precedes DX by two years.
      Now those were stealth genre trailblazers

    • @Takenmynameandmycat
      @Takenmynameandmycat Рік тому +9

      @@FelineRedYou beat me to it, taffer. What’s really nuts do you think about is the fact that the first two Thief titles actually featured loud and quiet surfaces and light levels and both were core to the stealth mechanics way back then.

    • @divinehatred6021
      @divinehatred6021 Рік тому +3

      People back there had to actually try hard to be acknowledged. People right now feel entitled and a lot of company hires just for the gender quota, not for actual skills.

    • @vasilis23456
      @vasilis23456 Рік тому +1

      ​@@FelineRedDeus Ex is made by a lot of the same people who made Thief. Deus Ex retains a lot of the mechanics but Thief has better mechanics, considering it has its own game engine and wasn't made in Unreal.

  • @Santouryu3
    @Santouryu3 Рік тому +51

    Who needs a stealth pistol when I got a silencer mod sniper rifle! Not that I wanna hear my own loud sniper shot and get confused by the enemy's sniper shot. 😂

    • @SteeleJohnson-o7u
      @SteeleJohnson-o7u Рік тому +1

      lelouch pfp 🗿

    • @TheElevenbit
      @TheElevenbit Рік тому

      So. True.
      Even maxed out normal pistol becomes ineffective very early in the game.

    • @bishubi
      @bishubi Рік тому

      ​@@TheElevenbitidk what you're talking about the default pistol with advanced or higher and modded is insanely powerful, only downside is 10mm isnt as common anymore

    • @TheElevenbit
      @TheElevenbit Рік тому

      @@bishubi but not as powerful as sniper rifle. Yes, build is very important, but rifles perk are extremely powerfull.

    • @Moonstalker
      @Moonstalker 6 місяців тому

      @@TheElevenbit In the early game the normal pistol is supreme
      only in late game it starts to show some limits. the only weapon that outclasses the pistol in certain situations is the tranq crossbow, because it's the only ranged weapon that stuns mibs and wibs and allow you to get some loot ...
      The sniper rifle is god tier, and the most valuable rifle...

  • @notaplasticexistence
    @notaplasticexistence Рік тому +22

    That's actually insane how stupid the stealth pistol is

    • @Luckmann
      @Luckmann Рік тому +1

      Out of all the weapons in the game, it was always the one weapon I questioned the existence of. It has no reason to be in the game. None.

    • @bulletopera409
      @bulletopera409 9 місяців тому

      @@Luckmanncan’t you put a silencer on a regular pistol too?

    • @DanielLopez-zt4ig
      @DanielLopez-zt4ig 8 місяців тому

      @@bulletopera409 the pistol background square does not turn green when you select silencer mod in your inventory.

  • @samuelneese482
    @samuelneese482 Рік тому +23

    I never realized that. I hung onto the Stealth Pistol throughout the entire game but ultimately wound up using the Sniper Rifle for even mid range stealth kills because of it's absurdly low damage output.

  • @IrrationalDelusion
    @IrrationalDelusion Рік тому +93

    Would be great to watch some System Shock videos in similar format. It’s also gritty immersive sim with great depth of mechanics. There are rumors it even has some possibility of stealth.

    • @pucktoad
      @pucktoad Рік тому +2

      second this!

    • @OperatorMax1993
      @OperatorMax1993 Рік тому +4

      Same here! Makes me happy Immersive Sims are returning

    • @Boltscrap
      @Boltscrap Рік тому +1

      I never thought about it before, but there's a pattern in these types of games.
      System Shock 2: Use the overpowered melee weapon
      Deus Ex: Use the overpowered melee weapon
      Bioshock: Use the overpowered melee weapon
      Bioshock 2: The giant drill isn't tha- haha just joking, it's a powerful melee weapon.

    • @IrrationalDelusion
      @IrrationalDelusion Рік тому

      @Boltscrap Deus Ex? No way, only takedowns can be overpowered, but weapons in Deus Ex 1 not so much. They’re well balanced.

    • @Boltscrap
      @Boltscrap Рік тому +1

      @@IrrationalDelusion That's just not true, everyone knows that plasma weapons are wet toilet paper in GOTY, and rifles category is only worthwhile for sniper. Only two weapon categories you need are heavy and melee, everything else is a waste, or works at the training level you start out with, I'm talking about you, pistol.
      In general, pistol, dragon's tooth and gep gun are the holy trinity that trivializes any problem in the game that can be solved with violence.

  • @miketacos9034
    @miketacos9034 Рік тому +2

    This has “ask for forgiveness, not permission” energy

  • @TheSupremeSussy
    @TheSupremeSussy Рік тому +13

    This video put me in the mood to play Deus Ex again.
    Within six months.

    • @51SErVER
      @51SErVER Рік тому +3

      Within the week there will be TheSupremeSussy playing Deus Ex

    • @TheSupremeSussy
      @TheSupremeSussy Рік тому +3

      @@51SErVER No.
      Within six months.

    • @51SErVER
      @51SErVER Рік тому +3

      @@TheSupremeSussy Yes

    • @papayer
      @papayer 5 місяців тому +3

      U-UNATCO?

    • @craigsparton
      @craigsparton 3 місяці тому +1

      @@papayer Savage

  • @Treblaine
    @Treblaine Рік тому +4

    "if you're far enough away, any weapon is a silenced weapon" - JC Denton.

  • @logananderon9693
    @logananderon9693 Рік тому +9

    I like the crossbow for a few situations. Tag 4 guards with tranq bodyshots, run and hide. It's in the UNATCO handbook.

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому +1

      It's very effective

    • @KingLich451
      @KingLich451 Рік тому +1

      i wish it was instant sleep with tranq, like in metal gear solid games.

  • @AntiCookieMonster
    @AntiCookieMonster Рік тому +41

    I never did stealth/lethal run, so I never thought of it as a problem.
    Stealth pistol is good mainly for two things:
    1. Wounding enemies to force them to surrender.
    2. Distraction. Enemies go to investigate source of sound(where the gun hit). Radius is small enough that you can pick singular targets (as opposed to crossbow or throwing objects).

  • @jackjadoenath7075
    @jackjadoenath7075 Рік тому +16

    The screams masking the gunshots is the only reasonable way I can think of to shrug off the fact that you're using an unsuppressed gun lol. Nice video 👍

  • @LBJshowedmehisJ
    @LBJshowedmehisJ Рік тому +25

    I know this is off-topic, but I like how the creator used an AI generated JCD to voice the video. The campy and compressed voice acting in Deus EX lends well to Generative AI TTSes.

  • @vincentwood7036
    @vincentwood7036 8 місяців тому +1

    I have also noticed that when you kill an enemy with a silenced weapon, and other enemies hear their death scream, they immediately know your position, and come running directly toward the position you shot from.
    I usually activate the "loud weapons" modifier in Revision, so that I can justify silenced weapons.

  • @constablemittens
    @constablemittens Рік тому +1

    It's all in the numbers. Number one: That's terror. Number two: That's terror.

  • @arrestedeffort
    @arrestedeffort Рік тому +1

    I was expecting a meme but instead, I was given an entertaining and informative video. Well played.

  • @hypernautic
    @hypernautic Рік тому +1

    Just attaching a suppressor onto the regular pistol would have sufficed instead of having a whole new weapon entirely. I remember watching an interview with Warren Spector that he mentioned that some of the devs wanted to get rid of it too, I suspect replacing it with an attachable suppressor but that wasn't made clear.

  • @Jeansowaty
    @Jeansowaty Рік тому +9

    Very nice observations. I've been playing Deus Ex a bit myself and tooling around and I never really saw much of a difference between the two Pistols. I guess the Stealth one solely makes up rn for the cool bullpup design lol.

  • @psychopathmedia
    @psychopathmedia Рік тому +1

    The design of the stealth pistol is also really bizarre. A bullpup Glock 17 with a really skinny magazine that could absolutely _not_ hold 10mm handgun rounds. You could tell it was designed by people who don't understand how guns work. Same deal with the "assult rifle" looking like a submachine gun but firing full-power rifle cartridges. Its bullpup design and "sideways" drum mag could never feed cartridges IRL (the box magazine in front of the pistol grip is actually the magazine for the 20mm launcher btw)

  • @The.dudeinator
    @The.dudeinator Рік тому +2

    Found your post on steam
    Good vid
    Keep it up

  • @gpkai
    @gpkai Рік тому +2

    Huh, never knew I needed JC himself to talk to me about game mechanics until now, thanks chief.

  • @Novastar.SaberCombat
    @Novastar.SaberCombat Рік тому +11

    That A.I. interpretation of Jay Franke's recordings of J.C.D. is pretty incredible. 💪😎✌️ Funny side note, I actually voiced the J.C. character in an old Machinima video ("Trouble at the 'Ton"). I also did a pretty awesome cosplay, which included legitimate L.E.D. sunglasses (no joke), and a "Dragon's Tooth Sword". I did all the electronics myself.

    • @KingLich451
      @KingLich451 Рік тому +1

      Dang man, sounds awesome

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому +1

      Whoa! That's so cool man

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat Рік тому +1

      @@BaconHer0 Thanks. :) The cosplay and my J.C. impression (LOL) is on my channel--this one--if anyone ever wants to look it up. But it's pretty old. Probably from 2014 or something.
      The Machinima thing was an animation by Leo Tierney, and I don't think it's on my channel, heheh. And to be clear, I didn't get paid for any of this, I just did all of it. :)
      P.S. "A BOMB!"

    • @Paul-Knight-Wolf
      @Paul-Knight-Wolf 3 місяці тому

      @@Novastar.SaberCombat I remember watching that video back in high school LOL.

  • @kittydaddy2023
    @kittydaddy2023 Рік тому +22

    I definitely needed this today.
    I always hated the silenced pistol and even installing a silencer mod on the regular pistol. Now I know I was right all along.

    • @TonkarzOfSolSystem
      @TonkarzOfSolSystem Рік тому +6

      You can't put a silencer mod on the normal pistol.

    • @Luckmann
      @Luckmann Рік тому

      ​@@TonkarzOfSolSystem They ppatched that out? Not that it ever mattered. Just put a silencer on the sniper rifle. Unless they patched that, too.

  • @Kuschel_K
    @Kuschel_K Рік тому +1

    Death scream with a bullet to the head? 😵‍💫

  • @tyomies6168
    @tyomies6168 Рік тому +2

    I can imagine the guy who invented the stealth pistol watching this and being like "GREAT. Another 40244 billion dollars down the drain."

  • @dsagent
    @dsagent Рік тому +1

    I like putting a scope on it and using it as a substitute sniper rifle.
    Helps save ammo once I get the actual sniper rifle.

  • @cookieface80
    @cookieface80 Рік тому +3

    U-UNATCO? No, Savage.

  • @RagnarokiaNG
    @RagnarokiaNG Рік тому +10

    The non silenced pistol looks better than silenced imo, was the only thing I cared for when choosing. But I guess being better mechanically is good too...

    • @CrAzYpotpie
      @CrAzYpotpie Рік тому +2

      You didn't immediately notice that the normal pistol was better? I think it looks cooler, too, but even on my first playthrough, I realized pistol was all I really needed.

  • @BalrogSonOfNelgar
    @BalrogSonOfNelgar Рік тому

    They're too busy listening to the banging soundtrack to hear the gunshot

  • @g00bins
    @g00bins 11 місяців тому +1

    as someone who just started playing deus ex and trying/failing to be stealthy, this video is greatly appreciated 😂also love this kind of format for a vid!

  • @nitrosodium
    @nitrosodium 10 місяців тому +1

    0:41 bruh i killed an enemy from a HIDDEN spot with it, he died, screamed, and all the others SOMEHOW KNEW where I was
    1:23 that's what i mean how can the guy below know where i am
    I think they run towards me not the death screem, as you see after 2:10

  • @willberg12
    @willberg12 7 місяців тому +2

    I love how this game was so broken and still so good

  • @danielsurvivor1372
    @danielsurvivor1372 Рік тому +34

    I'm glad we finally see some Deus Ex content on YT 😊
    Hopefully you'll make more videos about this game and maybe in future you can tackle popular gameplay changes mods like Revision or Shifter?

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому +4

      Yeah, I'll definitely look into that. I played a lot of shifter when I was younger but I didn't really find Revision all that appealing. I'm also going to try out GMDX, the last time I played GMDX was like over a decade ago I think. A very old version with not many new features

    • @arhum1224
      @arhum1224 Рік тому +1

      @@BaconHer0 GMDX just looks like the revision with a different paint of coat honestly, changes way too much. And some of its useful tweaks already have standalone versions. I wonder if patching these vanilla bugs (+ broken changes introduced by GOTY) is even possible at this point. Shifter is the closest to being that but some of its changes like the XP system is debated.

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому +5

      @@arhum1224 You might want to look at the Deus Ex Transcended mod. That mod is intended to be bug fix only

    • @danielsurvivor1372
      @danielsurvivor1372 Рік тому

      ​@@arhum1224 Fr? My first playthrough of Deus Ex was on GMDX and comparing my gameplay to vanilla one I saw no difference. Even on Revision I find it hard to find what they actually changed.
      Where can I read about their changes?

    • @danielsurvivor1372
      @danielsurvivor1372 Рік тому

      ​@@BaconHer0 Hot take: I actually think Deus Ex could use a lot of gameplay changes. By gameplay changes I mean how skills/augs work, weapon stats etc. Your weapon tier list video showed how almost half of weapons aren't even viable.
      Only thing I probably wouldn't change about OG Deus Ex are the maps, Revision maps are just way too big sometimes

  • @FrankKitteh
    @FrankKitteh Рік тому +8

    IMO a character like JC as a combat instructor would probably work well in the Deus Ex universe. The constant deadpan demeanour, delivery of jabs mixed in with actual instruction would force recruits to stay on their toes and sharpen their wits, especially if mistaking a key point for a joke would mean being stuck with having to clean toilets alone for a week.

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому +1

      Maybe I should train the AI with General Carter's voice to give instruction on weapon use

    • @FrankKitteh
      @FrankKitteh Рік тому

      @@BaconHer0 you can certainly try, perhaps also a guide to weapon mods or something.

    • @tommcewan7936
      @tommcewan7936 Рік тому +1

      Honestly, I find Gunther and Anna's demeanour in the vanilla training sequence to be pretty enjoyable already.

  • @LongMax
    @LongMax Рік тому +1

    As I remember, the best silent pistol is a sniper rifle with a silencer.

  • @arciks11
    @arciks11 Рік тому +1

    This JC Denton AI voice is a marked improvement over one in Weapons Tier List.

  • @ImpendingRiot83
    @ImpendingRiot83 Рік тому +1

    This almost has the energy of JC posting tutorials for executing covert hostile infiltrations of government facilities on the dark web

  • @nostur4984
    @nostur4984 Рік тому +4

    Pretty good point actually. Can't see myself using this weapon any more

  • @SpecShadow
    @SpecShadow Рік тому +7

    I wish there was more than one laser upgrade early in the game
    Use one on starting pistol or keep it for assaul rifle from the trooper who fell on the ground under mysterious circumstances....

  • @TotalElfDeath
    @TotalElfDeath 3 місяці тому

    "If you're far away enough, any weapon can be a silent weapon"
    Words to live by

  • @jacobstaten2366
    @jacobstaten2366 Рік тому

    It's weird that there are screams when you die even if your brain stops functioning.

  • @AlpacaEmperor
    @AlpacaEmperor Рік тому

    JC Denton giving me Deus Ex tutorials is the thing I never knew I needed

  • @adamm450
    @adamm450 Рік тому +1

    and this is why the stealth pistol ends up dropped on the floor never to be seen again in all my playthroughs

  • @Luckmann
    @Luckmann Рік тому +1

    The silenced pistol is completely irrelevant once you've found the first silencer mod. I had no idea that there were people that didn't know this, considering that I figured as much out in my first playthrough when the game was new.

  • @bruhtholemew
    @bruhtholemew Рік тому +3

    I learned how basic this game's stealth is when I decided to use the GEP gun to make silent takedowns, and it actually ended up working like the meme said.

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому

      Haha yeah it's funny when that happens

  • @ashenmint
    @ashenmint Рік тому +3

    Good content as always!
    Please, do tier list for augmentation or/and skills (AND WITH FACTS TO BACK THAT UP)!
    Cheers!

  • @geraintwd
    @geraintwd Рік тому +9

    "A non-lethal takedown is always the most silent way to eliminate resistance..."
    - Paul Denton
    I mean, it's right there at the start of the game. If you want to be stealthy, go for knockouts with the tranq darts.
    Another favourite of mine is to shoot the poison gas barrels with the stealth pistol - not enough to break them open, but enough to make them leak green gas and hurt any enemies nearby.

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому +5

      Haha! The tranq darts are so much worse at stealth than the stealth pistol!

    • @geraintwd
      @geraintwd Рік тому +3

      @@BaconHer0 No death screams though :)

    • @tommcewan7936
      @tommcewan7936 Рік тому +5

      The riot-prod seems like an absolute joke compared to the rest at first, but in practised hands it can actually be scary effective for a silent run, right up there with Garrett's blackjack. Unfortunately, ammo for it is absurdly sparse from the get go (pesky game balance), and IIRC vanishes almost entirely by the late game.

    • @TonkarzOfSolSystem
      @TonkarzOfSolSystem Рік тому +2

      @@BaconHer0 Tranq darts can instant knockout with a headshot.

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому

      @@TonkarzOfSolSystem Only NSF troopers because they have 75hp. Common troopers and above with 100 or more HP cannot be instantly KO'd by dart, even at master level

  • @KUNAIfever
    @KUNAIfever 6 місяців тому +1

    so what you mean is , the basic pistol is the best rock in the game ?
    you can lure them with sound AND kill them instantly

  • @Vekren
    @Vekren Рік тому

    I like when I hear "shit, I miscalculated, two guys" with JC Dentons voice lol

  • @waltarron
    @waltarron Рік тому

    The enemy can't hear how loud your gun is if the enemy is already dead~

  • @ZyrTheMachineGodOfWar
    @ZyrTheMachineGodOfWar Рік тому +3

    Facts man, i found myself playing eith the regulat pistol, switching to the stealth one soon as it was availablr, and then modding and switching BACK to the unsilenced one because a lot of the maps were large enough and the enemies sparsely sprinkled, i could do that. If there were more then 1, melee does the job just fine
    Alternatively, silenced sniper does the job of the pistol at no other drawback other then ammo price, but if you explore, use melee when you can, and make the shots count by paintinng the wall with brainmatter, its a good alternative

  • @SneedRemembrancer
    @SneedRemembrancer Рік тому

    Jc Denton self narrates himself committing an act of terror

  • @Markworth
    @Markworth Рік тому +13

    The wonky mechanics in DX are what make it great. Thanks to the alliance system, it's possible to kill some NPCs with a loud weapon in plain sight and not aggro anything, if you pass the bare minimum amount of checks.

  • @mattc7420
    @mattc7420 Рік тому +12

    The stealth pistol is good for stealth when you have a good gaming chair.

  • @osbert
    @osbert Рік тому

    I love how deep this game is with all the mechanics like the various alert systems and play styles... that said I always just go full juggernaut destroying everyone and everything mercilessly.

  • @malcolmliang
    @malcolmliang Рік тому +2

    GEP gun is the optimal weapon for a stealth kill.

  • @User-s7j5u
    @User-s7j5u Рік тому

    "The stealth pistol needs two -"
    Thats all I needed to hear.

  • @unr34L-
    @unr34L- Рік тому

    Adore these Deus Ex videos, keep up the great content!!

  • @fasihhashmi7581
    @fasihhashmi7581 7 місяців тому +1

    Misda JC Denton in da flesh

  • @clearlywrong6520
    @clearlywrong6520 Рік тому +7

    It's good as a noise maker. Other than that, the standard pistol out-damages it and the crossbow accomplishes better functionality.

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead Рік тому

      Standard pistol does the same noisemaking job.

  • @AleK0451
    @AleK0451 Рік тому

    no one will know you're there if you leave no witnesses with the GEP gun

  • @stoicgamerr
    @stoicgamerr 6 днів тому

    Thank God someone is still creating content about this masterpiece

  • @TennessseTimmy
    @TennessseTimmy Рік тому

    He was loud and proud

  • @onikoneko
    @onikoneko Рік тому

    Well now I feel doubly stupid for putting a silencer on my sniper rifle

  • @jf6647
    @jf6647 Рік тому +1

    Cool video, after 23 years and many play thrus you still can learn something. It makes sense from a balancing perspective that the stealth pistol doesn't one shot.. I always thought of the stealth pistol as a replacement for the regular pistol after you get it. Seems redundant to have a "loud" one if the the stealth pistol did the same thing but quiet. I like the crossbow for the first half of the game anyway, tranq dart to the head and its instadowned.

  • @Acesahn
    @Acesahn Рік тому

    Stealth pistil, sneaky and silenced!
    *Shoots a guy in the head* "OWW!!! WHAT WAS THAT!?"

  • @HuffdrewPaint
    @HuffdrewPaint Рік тому

    Your presentation on this is perfect.
    Just a good-ass video, period.

  • @SharpForceTrauma
    @SharpForceTrauma Рік тому +1

    Damn. More advanced stealth mechanics than even Metal Gear Solid

  • @-Raylight
    @-Raylight Рік тому +1

    JC's AI voice is too good!
    This explain why GEP gun is the best for stealth xD

  • @ballacaust
    @ballacaust Рік тому

    this is really good, make this a series

  • @donoteatmikezila
    @donoteatmikezila Рік тому +1

    My entire stealth-focused life is a lie.

  • @MrZebub
    @MrZebub Рік тому +1

    On my rifles playthrough I discvered that the sniper can take out drone guns and cameras at max skill (don't remember if it also needed targting aug, since that increases damage, but still). With targeting aug on it could also take out the mid-tier bots with six or seven shots. Game's beyond borked in the player's favor.

  • @Huwbacca
    @Huwbacca Рік тому

    That's a funny looking mini crossbow

  • @geefreck
    @geefreck Рік тому

    Here -
    You can have my stealth pistol

  • @xDragonInstallx
    @xDragonInstallx Рік тому

    Good to know on my next playthrough.

  • @DGneoseeker1
    @DGneoseeker1 Рік тому

    OK I didn't realise that about the death scream. I did realise very early on that needing two headshots was a problem...

    • @Ryvaken
      @Ryvaken 3 місяці тому

      "Remember we're police, stick with the prod. A nonlethal takedown is always the most silent way to eliminate resistance."
      -Paul Denton, Liberty Island, first conversation

    • @DGneoseeker1
      @DGneoseeker1 3 місяці тому

      @@Ryvaken "Stick with the GEP gun for the most silent takedown." - Paul Denton, Malkavian mod I think.

  • @aegis9292
    @aegis9292 10 місяців тому +1

    Silenced Glock>stealth pistol doesn't look as cool, but is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more effective

  • @nakfoor1846
    @nakfoor1846 Рік тому

    Seems like what they needed to program is that kills without being alerted do not cause a death scream.

  • @Ironman1o1
    @Ironman1o1 Рік тому

    I've been playing this since 2002, and I always assumed the noise from guns were just binary "Loud/Not Loud". No idea they actually made it so the different guns have different sound levels.

  • @Jaquagon
    @Jaquagon 4 місяці тому

    Good info, but it’s almost 25 years later, and Gunther still hasn’t gotten his lemon lime😂😂

  • @nikolaiorlov4453
    @nikolaiorlov4453 3 місяці тому +1

    It's a good SMG though, can argue it's better than actual AR(espec with a silencer). For silenced stealth weapons go sniper rifle you can even destroy cameras on master level lol.

  • @radscorpion8
    @radscorpion8 11 днів тому

    wow i learned something new about deus ex today. thank you JC Denton

  • @Pacton_X
    @Pacton_X Рік тому +2

    The regular pistol will always be my favorite ^^
    Btw, very good video : )

  • @MosoKaiser
    @MosoKaiser Рік тому

    That narration is text-to-speech with JC Denton voice via AI, I presume? Impressive how far technology has gone!

  • @hoilst265
    @hoilst265 Рік тому +1

    God, the systems in this game are amazing.

  • @KingThrillgore
    @KingThrillgore Рік тому +1

    I definitely noticed back in 2003 when I first played DX the "stealth pistol" damage was never high enough to kill off targets with one headshot. Even when modded (which most don't work with) its never as good as the pistol could be.

    • @BaconHer0
      @BaconHer0  Рік тому

      Yeah you need to be master level to single headshot common troopers. Big waste of points