Toyota's NEW HYDROGEN ENGINE Could REPLACE ALL EVs! | TheCarGuys.tv
Вставка
- Опубліковано 10 сер 2023
- Toyota's NEW HYDROGEN ENGINE Could Make ALL EVs OBSOLETE! | TheCarGuys.tv
#toyota #hydrogen #ev
Subscribe: bit.ly/2DeyUzQ | 🔔Make sure to enable ALL push notifications!🔔
Watch the NEWEST videos: • Newest Videos | TheCar...
Chapters:
00:52 Introduction
02:13 Toyota's Multi-Pathway
04:45 Hydrogen: Fuel of the Future
06:16 Benefits of Hydrogen
07:11 Negatives of Hydrogen
08:22 Hydrogen Production
10:51 Hydrogen Cars
12:55 Hydrogen Combustion
15:37 Final Thoughts
18:00 Thank you for Watching
This week - it’s all about HYDROGEN, and specifically Toyota’s new H2 and V8 hydrogen combustion engines - that could DESTROY THE ENTIRE EV INDUSTRY!
A whole episode on hydrogen - a plentiful natural source of unlimited power that allows for quick refuelling, gives long range, removes the need for large heavy batteries, eliminates greenhouse gases, and emits… water, as a byproduct.
We are going to look at whether hydrogen is too good to be true, its benefits, its drawbacks, How it’s made into fuel, how it powers a car, and why Toyota seems to be the ONLY car company that ISN’T drinking the EV cool-aid.
Thank you for watching
**NOTE - None of the goods and services used in this episode were provided free or at a discount to TheCarGuys.
THECARGUYS.TV MERCH SHOP IS NOW OPEN!
You’ll find all TCG branded items in the shop below this description, in the UA-cam “store” section, or at www.thecarguys.tv. All goods created in partnership with Teespring and UA-cam.
Don’t’ miss a single episode - subscribe to TheCarGuys.tv here goo.gl/iesy8n
Click here for the latest video! goo.gl/26pQPZ
Regular episodes include: Real World Tests, Car Buying Challenges, Meet Your Heroes, This Week’s Rant and Top 5s.
TheWatchGuys.tv
If you’re interested in watch as well as cars, why not check out our sister channel - TheWatchGuys.tv. A whole channel - all about watches, and with weekly episodes. / thewatchguystv
Subscribe: bit.ly/2xetsx0 🔔Make sure to enable ALL push notifications!🔔
Watch the NEWEST videos: bit.ly/2S98aIk
Follow us on:
Website: goo.gl/ydkSDk
UA-cam: goo.gl/iesy8n
Twitter: goo.gl/X9Gu5K
Facebook: goo.gl/8HnYsf
Instagram: goo.gl/H6pHRQ
Special thanks
Additional images & video - © Toyota (GB) PLC
Additional images - © Yamaha
Additional images - © US Dept of Energy Efficiency & Renewable Energy
Additional images - © BMW AG, Munich
Additional images - © 2023 Ford of Europe GMBH
Additional images - © 2023 INEOS
Credits
The CarGuys are:
Damian Butt
Jason Taylor
Music
PG Butt (title)
Epidemic Sound
TheCarGuys.tv equipment:
GoPro Hero 7 (video)
Final Cut Pro x (video)
Sony AX-53 (video)
Rode NT1-A (sound)
Shure X2u (sound)
Marantz Professional sound shield (sound)
Elgato (visuals) - Авто та транспорт
My Big EV Lie episode was initially shadow-banned by UA-cam, and at times over the last year it has been held back/hidden.As well as the obvious United Nations warning, that implies it is misinformation (thanks UA-cam). It will be interesting to see if the same thing happens here.
More than twenty years ago I asked for a hydrogen future. Great to see other people with the same dream but Ço2 is not a problem. Co2 is not causing global warming. Don't know why our government is helping to spread the lie about global warming.
Those on power don't like the truth GGs!! It's only the narrative that is in their interest's that is allowed. Keep up the good work.
Hydrogen has it's own problems, like storage, which includes storing it in the car itself, and production. Hydrogen can be produced on site, how? Do you realize how much electricity it will take to crack water to fuel just one car? Hydrogen production is not normally done by cracking water with electricity, which has it's own problems. If it is produced with electricity, then it also has the same problems you sited for electricity. You also have a loss of efficiency by converting from one fuel to another, electricity to gas, Hydrogen. This will drive up the cost of the fuel, Hydrogen, if the electricity isn't from a renewable source.
"Hope to be using renewable in the near future." And you were the one that dogged solar and wind in your EV video.
Hydrogen is the smallest atom, which means there isn't a container that can hold it over time without leaking right out through the walls of said container. Your tank being shot is not your normal tank, which you didn't cover, and doesn't tell everyone that getting enough Hydrogen out needs to be done by heating the tank. That's why it doesn't catch fire, when hit with a bullet, but is also way a car with an engine can't be started with such a tank without adding heat to the tank.
Fuel cells can Only use Hydrogen, or else they clog by using other Hydrogen based fuels, which brings us back to the other problems with Hydrogen production and storage.
Evs need better battery technology. The only reason we are using the batteries we have now is the energy to mass ratio. A nickel iron battery cost less to replace than any other battery on the market, including the lead battery in your gas powered cars today, because you replace the liquid and not the battery itself. A nickel iron battery is more durable than other batteries in charging and discharging. It gets back to the mass energy ratio, and why we have EVs that catch fire charging.
Hybrid cars are not built to take the advantage of that build model it could achieve. I think this is the case because Joe public wouldn't know how to take care of such a car. The same is true with solar powered homes, which is why there are so many solar systems that do not power the home, but sell it back to the grid.
Right now we are going on the wrong direction on many of these things. I don't think fuel cells will ever take off. Electric should, but without government intervention. In the 70s you could tell which renewable device worked by how much they didn't say about getting a government kick back, if you bought their device. We will have something in the future to replace or compete with gas, but we are not there yet. Government involvement is not going to get us there either.
Nice video, but you left out a lot to send your own message of hope. I do resent being told that my new car in the near future has to be an EV, because I do know the short comings of them and fuel cells. We have had fuel cells for a very long time. They were made for space exploration, but there are very good reason they never found there way into cars.
Also I would like to know the contents of the message you blocked.
@@lesliesavage9229 I don’t disagree with anything you said but to be honest I’ve spent zero time looking at the technologies (their pros & cons) for future road transportation because neither you, I or any government will have control on what is adopted so probably best just to sit back and let nature take its course.
As with most things in life, economics will dictate the technologies (doubtful one will be all conquering) that will dominate the various markets (cars, commercial vehicles etc) whether that be cost to build/run infrastructure, overall cost/convenience to the owner but more importantly how that technology affects the ability for governments to extract tax revenues from those users (in the forms of energy consumption, usage etc).
Personally speaking I’m not concerned what forms of personal/public transport dominate in the future. The old ICE cars I still drive had their manufacturing CO2 sunk over 3 decades ago (hilarious the irony of some EV drivers happy to buy a new car every 3 years) and when the time comes I’ll switch to sustainable/synthetic fuel (available today albeit more expensive than regular petrol ATM).
Will be interesting to see how all this develops.
@@sultanoftippoo3857 Well economics will dictate the FAIL of HYDROGEN because of 30% pumping losses of hydrogen that you cant work around. So it will use 30% more energy than EVs.
Anybody else wish all cars had naturally aspirated V12s?? 😂😂😂
no, i prefer TT V8s or V6s i lobe V12 NA but turbo is better
@MarcSob22 an electric is better again.
I like n.a v8s more, porsche gt3 6 cylinders, v10 lfa and carrera gt, super lightweight itb 4 cylinders.
@@freepadz6241 when did microwaving ur steak over bbqing it become better? From which angles is that better? U have to super dead inside to think that.
@@MarcSob22turbos ruin the sound, soul and character of everything.
"It's expensive... because of a lack of market penetration." No, having everybody use hydrogen is not going to make it cheaper. It's way more expensive than the electricity it's made from because you have to compress it, ship it, store it, then turn it back into electricity to run a car motor. The inefficiencies are just way too much to compete with putting that same electricity into a battery. If you use it in an ICE, the even lower efficiency of that makes it ridiculously expensive to run.
Where did the Japanese get this crazy hydrogen idea? Watch this and ponder: ua-cam.com/video/oKSN2AzZiUo/v-deo.html
And how do you reconcile the slave labor and child labor used to make the batteries. If real labor rates were used, your ev suddenly becomes a much less attractive proposition. Never mind the massive amounts of energy required to build the batteries in the beginning. Then you need to figure out what to do with the ev car at end of life. You cant put into the crusher for recycling, so, it goes to landfill or just a vacant field somewhere out of sight, where it can leach out all manner of heavy metals and toxins, into the ground water for the next 50 years. How is that a green solution?
That video is dumb. It says Japan is betting on Hydrogen because they don't want to be dependent on China, since they are rivals. Well, the US and China aren't best boddies either. Following that logic, the US should be investing in Hydrogen too.
@@senerzen It's not really logical, for the USA or Japan. USA has lots of oil they can pump out of the ground and burn so that everyone enjoys the pollution (how is that green??). We also have a lot of lithium, or we can use sodium, sulfur or solid state batteries without crying about "slave labor" etc. Lithium is recyclable so you can trade in your dead batteries for money. Batteries are easy to take out, you don't crush them with the car. Oil industry hills just love to spread lies.
To minimise my carbon footprint, I plug my hybrid into next-door’s power supply.
😂😂😂
Synthetic fuels (carbon neutral fuels) for the special ICE cars to keep them on the road for the enthusiasts, and Hydrogen for the everyday commute, commercial heavy vehicles and the shipping industry
Yep, I’d go for that
@@TheCarGuysTV so are you going to get a Mirai and share the experience of living with a hydrogen-powered car
@@AntonyGeorgeBoltzzz I’d do synthetic fuels for the special ICE cars
If I'm commuting, I want something that is a quarter the cost of gasoline, and far cheaper than hydrogen, and 'refuels' at home while I sleep. Also, I want something uncomplicated, with no transmission and few moving parts. And I like it quiet.
With water being the only emission I think that F1 should go down the hydrogen route, after all wet races are the only entertaining ones these days.😊
They’re doing synthetic fuels at the moment
@@TheCarGuysTV yes, and it is much better than hydrogen over the full production and usage cycle. An interesting one to develop on.
Water is not the only emission though, producing hydrogen emits lots of CO2 as you need to produce electricity first.
I don’t really get it. In your previous video you say (rightly so) that the EV didn’t work because it requires electric production that produces more CO2 but here you are expecting something that produces even more CO2 to be the solution? To produce hydrogen, you need to produce electricity first and that electricity means it has lower yield than just charging cars. The dirty hydrogen is worst than using petrol in cars. The hydrogen car is great but the hydrogen production cycle doesn’t add up. At this point , bus is really the only option left.
Yeah his argument is complete BS, and you don't even need to do extra research to see it. It's pretty impressive he got away with that line of reasoning and the comments are full of praise
Another fantastic video on the subject, many thanks. Keep well.
Thank you
Well done, thank you for another informative video. I know how long these things take to make and edit so appreciate the effort.
Thank you for watching - really appreciate that
The worry is that there is so much corruption in goverments and industry these days that hydrogen will simply be dismissed. Great video.
I seem to remember suggesting you pursue this investigation some time ago. Glad that you have. As ever, open and informed debate are necessary, not least here.
The key issue with hydrogen is the amount of energy input to produce it.
EV’s are absolutely not going to “save the world”, but we may as well stick to gasoline rather than use hydrogen
I gave a talk at school back in the 1990s about fuel cells. Funny how it now comes back. ;-)
Informative video, you make good points!
Glad you think so!
Lovely video Damian finally after few weeks of waiting. I really enjoyed this video 😁.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another brilliant video...informative and with a good balance of facts. Thank you 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Greetings from Tenerife……love this type of videos Buddy.
👍🏻
In the early 2000 BMW had a huge Fuelcell Project running for a couple of models. And i think Mercedes-Benz too. But they dropped the projects for EV...
I never thought I would say this but……Toyota I salute you! Fascinating, balanced and considered video on a subject that is not getting enough exposure. Well done on explaining it in a clear way as always 👍
I appreciate that!
Any one else hear Damian say “and don’t get me started on….” and think “go on give it some beans 😁”
😂😂😂
A brilliant summary…interested how it will all play out
Thank you
Zero emissions from hydrogen burning engines is probably a bit misleading. Of course no carbon burned in the engine so no CO2, but the CO2 is currently produced in the manufacture of H2 from gas (as you said this is captured in the factory - but is this true for the made on forecourt version). Where does the electricity needed to do the natural gas steam reaction (probably from burning fossil fuels - but that could be replaced by renewables). In addition the heating of the air used in the combustion will still produce NOx. You are right that EVs alone are not the answer - and also have loads of disadvantages that we are not being told about - cost of electricity generation, time to top up, weight of batteries (tyre shredding if high torque motors too), crappy range, expensive to charge at charging centres (rip off kW/H rates compared to domestic). Will be keeping my current cars for a few years yet.
As early as 90s, I was in a hydrogen power engine BMW taxi in Munich! Why not now ?
Exactly
Hmmm... I think that I just saw my next car... assuming that I live long enough for them to come to market.
I currently have a RAV4 hybrid and I love it, it has double the range of my previous ICE car. Unfortunately, due to a larger tank & larger engine coupled with a near doubling of the petrol price, I'm now spending more on fuel than I was with the ICE.
I did look at the Totota BZ4X but shipments keep being deferred plus I can't justify the price tag of $80k - $120k.
Additionally, I can't see how battery cars are sustainable. Lithium resources are finite. Also public chargers are always full despite EVs comprising about 2% of the national vehicle fleet.
Hydrogen makes far more sense... although there are still many hoops to jump through... notably cost to produce needs to drop, energy density needs to tackled, refueling stations need to be more numerous as does the number of car models that support the technology.
Eye opening. Thanks for this great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This makes sense.
EV doesn't; when manufacture and materials are taken into consideration!
Another most excellent video. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
My local Danish wind industry is big on hydrogen, because they need a way to store the surplus energy on windy days. They hope to use the surplus heat for district heating as an added bonus.
Allegedly hydrogen is a bad fit for small cars because the volume of the compressed hydrogen is too large, so hydrogen is a better fit for long distance trucking.
The EU has plans to mandate member states to place one charging station per 200 km along major roads. And that should solve some of the range problems.
So far Germany has 90 hydrogen charging stations, but most other countries have very few.
I wouldn't personally buy a hydrogen car, because I don't think that the market will get enough critical mass to survive, but time will tell.
It's such a huge topic. Our electric needs could be supplied by having large solar farms in the North African countries (enough to supply the whole world) but recent events show us that if we rely on others to supply our energy it will cause problems if we fall out with these other countries.
I totally agree that Hydrogen if the way forward but its down behind the EV idea due to not being favoured by government bodies in the past.
It's just a lie. There is no such thing as global warming.
You missed the part where it takes more energy. Much more than EVs.
Betamax was better, V2000 was better, but in the end VHS won. Not always the best solution wins 🤷♂️
Brilliant job, Sir. Lots of work gone into that. I know having just finished a second TCFD report for £10bn of pension assets. If we can’t control our insatiable demand for energy, we’ll never control the risks due to climate change.
Thanks, Ben
Sorry, but your are hopeless wrong in nearly everything you said.
You raise questions about producing enough renewable electricity to power all those EVs. A fair enough point, but the problem is 3 times worse for renewable hydrogen. By the time you produce the hydrogen with electrolysers, and then turn it back to power for your motors with fuel cells, you would be lucky to get 30% overall efficiency.
But hydrogen combustion is even worse. A fuel cell can be up to 60% efficient (at low power - is drops closer to 40% at full power). But a combustion engine is lucky to get over 30% efficiency. And combusting hydrogen is not emission free, because the high temperatures produce NOx.
But the dumbest thing you could do would be to produce hydrogen from natural gas (methane), and then combust it. Natural gas has a lot more energy by volume than hydrogen. The Mirai carries only 5kg of hydrogen, but this is compressed to 700 atmospheres to get it down to a reasonable volume. And by the way, to fill your tank on a hot day, the hydrogen has to be pre-chilled to -40C, otherwise it expands too much in the tank. But back to natural gas - you are far better off injecting it straight into your IC engine rather than all that effort and inefficiency to make hydrogen first.
And finally, hydrogen does require expensive metals like platinum and palladium as catalysts in fuel cells and electrolyzers. There is a lot of research to find cheaper alternatives, but so far without success.
The hydrogen car is already dead. IC engines may survive if synthetic fuels can be made cheaply, but you can forget hydrogen. Battery EVs have their disadvantages, but they are a far more energy efficient than hydrogen cars will ever be.
Over 100 years ago, we chose ICE over electric and steam. Despite needing the most complex machine and the most infrastructure set up. Because it was the easiest for the end user. The consumer chose. And today that’s split by petrol and diesel. Diesel mostly for heavy use. BEV works for some but hydrogen works for all.
I did enjoy it, I did find it enlightening and I was educated...hopefully I still am. Bring on H production from solar/wind/renewable electricity. Small children, and their Mother's, stop, point and smile when my ICE goes roaring past at 30mph. Proving that we don't need speed to make us grin but a hearty soundtrack. Can you fathom why, after 6 days, this has only been seen by 6700 people? I might watch it again to make it 6701.
Thanks for your support, Dickie
Such a fantastic episode. I love this educational and subjective style of content and thought that this episode really was top notch. More content like this and I am sure your following will really blossom, it really was that good. 😀
Wow, thank you!
@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Except obviously, I did explain where the hydrogen comes from, and you are a sad EV shill.
If all electricity was generated by wind and solar we still need an equal backup or storage facility. Wind farms are rated on maximum output but in reality output averages at one quarter of this. An electricity only approach is going to be problematic. Storage using batteries requires a lot of raw materials and is expensive. Controlled consumption - such as charge at night - may work until that bank holiday when it will all fall apart with long queues blocking roads. Something has to give or it will come a self imposed disaster. Governments would fall so, when they stop pretending to be virtuous they will see that pragmatism is the only realistic solution. When the words don’t add up, eventually reality takes hold.
Epic just agree with everything.
Money grabbing will stop when we all start buying petrols from pre 2018 .. good luck oem then...
Thabks for putting in the leg work on this epic.. speed limits amd driving standard next please. 😎
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Cheers, Damian, that was excellent.
👍🏻👍🏻
Been waiting on a new video from you guys. Know I get it, and it’s aggravating. Your “BIG EV lie” was a milestone in UA-cam history. This video is equally good. BEVs simply cannot be replacing all ICE cars in the world, and should not be forced upon us, but it is, because of money and greed. Recycling, exploring new energy solutions like H2 and the one I’m cheering for, Porsche efforts on synthetic fuels, ALONGSIDE, small city friendly BEVs with small batteries, large enough for you daily inner city commute. I had a Taycan for 2 yrs, and drove 60000kms over the course. It lost 7% of it’s SOH and eventually the rear motor shorted.. No expansion on the charging infrastructure happened over this 2 yrs on my commute route, and I’m so happy I got rid of the thing before it needed a new 75000€ battery. I now drive a used 2018 petrol only Cayenne V6 and just did a tour of Norway, Sweden and Finland in my 1990 Carrera 4. An epic journey in my probably greenest car, as recycling and not throwing everything away after a short time, is the way to go. We can’t produce ourselves out of the climate crisis and making billions of EVs simply isn’t possible. That would kill of the planet entirely.
So you got shitty BEV from shitty company with shitty infrasture and you think that batter replacement costs 75k?...
First of all, next time buy better BEV, second, infrastructure for BEV's is growing and governments push will accelerate that, third, battery replacement for something like Tesla costs from 5 to 20k, not 75...
Thank you for a great video. I've been preaching much of this same info for years about EVs and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Glad it was helpful!
I own a Tesla model S and also a Jeep Grand Cherokee. The model S is great around the city and close country drives but my Jeep is used for long distance driving and towing, something an EV cannot do as well as a Diesel. I do believe H2 will be the future and we just need the infrastructure. One of the thing is out of warranty repairs too, they must be comparable to current ICE cars.
Fascinating video, thanks.
I think you might have mixed up your anode and cathode though, surely the anode is positive and the cathode negative.
More importantly though that V8 sounds epic, you mention that there isn’t enough renewable electricity to charge EV’s. Where is the renewable energy going to come from to make hydrogen then given that it’s a much less efficient process requiring much more energy than just charging a battery. It sound like that could be the limiting factor and if your not using renewables to make the hydrogen then it’s not zero emissions surely?
Also why bother with combustion? (apart from the noise 😁) isn’t it more efficient to use a fuel cell, just consider the amount of waste heat in a combustion engine.😮
I'm not an EVangelist, by far....
I love my ICE vehicles...
Maybe Toyota has figured out that they make less money at the repair shop with their EV's..?
Well Damian this was interesting and well put together, but what really are the energy requirements for producing hydrogen and the related use of fossil fuels to do so?
What a great video, I strongly agree with your conlusions
Glad you enjoyed it
Another belter Damian. Bout time some people woke up to reality! 👍
Thank you. Viewers are either uninterested or it’s being suppressed at the moment. Not sure which.
It would be interesting if conversion kits could be affordable and easily implanted in ICEs.
Well who knew ? Damian is multi lingual ….👍🏻Buddy 😂
😂😂😂😂
hard to believe no one in government questions the long term viability of electric vehicles, really doesn't take a "rocket scientist"?? I've talked about this for years in the automotive industry .....and one day people will look back at your videos and say " he was right, how did he know " and you can rub it in the noses of those EV fanatics
👍🏻👍🏻
That 8-into-1 exhaust looks great, but unfortunately often such exhaust configurations make the engines actually sound worse than other exhaust types. (Except perhaps in the case of extremely high-strung, high-revving racing engines)
Thank you Damian 👍
My pleasure!
Question, if it creates water as a byproduct, why not just use water in the first place? Turn that sweet sweet H2O into hydrogen, maybe supply the cabin with some oxygen (space cars?). Would be pretty sweet to just stick a bottle of water into the fuel tank and just keep going.
Utilizing combustible hydrogen in an ICEngine drivetrain is certainly a game changer. However, the ideal drivetrain is plug-in hybrid PHEV+H. Standard hybrids improve fuel economy by 30-40%. Modest battery packs of PHEVs (1/10th the capacity of many all-battery BEVs) get incredible fuel economy. The Prius PHEV is rated 120mpg. The Chevy Volt is rated 150mpg. Both get 40-45mpg when driving distances (30 miles in the Prius, 50 miles in the Chevy Volt) exceed the range of their small battery packs.
The #1 advantage PHEV tech offers over fuel cell and all-battery BEV tech is the incentive to drive less. Other advantages include equitable distribution of battery and hydrogen resources to more households. Every household with an PHEV in the garage gains an emergency backup power supply to keep the lights on in utility grid failure, indefinitely, when matched to consequently smaller and less expensive rooftop solar arrays and neighborhood mini-grids. One could argue PHEVs are safer cars when a light touch on the accelerator pedal conserves fuel. I could list more PHEV advantages, but these are the main benefits people should consider.
If big tech didn’t like it must be factually correct 😂❤ 👍
Great info thanks
Akio-San for the win, starting from GR, all the way to this... So glad we (petrolheads) have him in this day and age.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Nice pic of the Hindenburg ,
Oh the humanity !😂
I remember watching an article of top gear years ago on a hydrogen car ( it might of been a Toyama actually ) , I’ve found it very strange that every manufacturer has blindly went down the EV route .
I think deep down the governments of the world just do t want us having cars of any kind .
You’ll be forced to stay in your own area wearing a hemp suit and living in a mud hut eating vegetable paste .😂
What about Ammonia - avoids Ferrous alloy degradation? Only problem is sequestering the NOx.
Hydrogen the most explosive element there is , stored at 10,000 psi under my seat , no thanks , never- never-never !
Not true - fake news
Bravo! Standing ovation from me Sir. Where do I sign?
Only people who don't know I thing about hydrogen would start a video with a headline like that.
Sadly, UA-cam demands it these days, but I take your point
I can remember a time when Toyota first arrived in the UK and they were derided and shunned and made the butt of many a joke...yet they, like Mazda, Honda, Datsun and Mitsubishi kept releasing unusual, quirky reliable and memorable cars throughout the late 60's ad early 70's, which ultimately didn't have to work too hard to displace the appalling output from BL, Vauxhall & even Ford with their ridiculous hierarchy of models: L, XL, ,GXL, GT, E, Ghia- poverty spec versions replete with slippery vinyl seats and tragic engines to posh Velour, an illuminated fag-lighter, due-tone paintwork and chromed to buggery. The early Corolla's, Datsun 240 Z's, Celica's, Mazda' Rotaries, gorgeous Honda S600/800's and not to forget the incredible Toyota 2000, are all now high collectable and deservedly so. Ultimately, if Toyota think Hydrogen is worth investing in, the rest of the OEM's need to pay attention. There is a place for the new tech- not just one boring battery- powered nirvana. CarGuys hit the spot. Thank you again- fortune favours the brave...
I remember that time too. Who's laughing now?
Well said Damian..I’ve been barking on about hydrogen for a while ..👍🇬🇧
👍🏻👍🏻
New Mirai has the silhouette of a Lexus LS500h, no bad thing.
I’ve been shouting about hydrogen combustion for 40 years after seeing it on an old Tomorrow’s World episode back in the 80’s. Some guy converted a petrol engine to run on H2 and it worked great with only water vapour coming out of the exhaust. This guy supposedly was found dead a year later, some say he was bumped off by the oil cooperations. Hydrogen combustion should have been put first ahead of electric, but world governments have their agendas and politicians have their greased palms.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 And where did all the elements and materials come from to make your solar panels and electric car battery? I’ll tell you,from a quarry dug up in some third world place using fossil fuel to extract it, owned by the Chinese who don’t give a dam about the environment. Get off your soap box and smell the coffee.
@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Except obviously, I did explain where the hydrogen comes from, and you are a sad EV shill.
My thesis in my final year of university was on hydrogen as alternative fuel for cars. That was back in 1995. The conclusion was already clear back then that it was the best option. How we’ve ended up in a situation where hydrogen got completely pushed aside in favour of EVs, I will never understand. Thank God for the Japanese maintaining some rational perspective on the matter. I do hope hydrogen makes a come back and saves the ICE. Thanks a lot for making this video Damian!
👍🏻👍🏻
Corruption. That's why. One of the largest snowballed corruption phenomena ever. Very many huge groups of different kinds of actors noticed it's in their interest and they all sort of accidentally jointly found this 'cause' to benefit their enrichment and/or power grabbing aims.
All of this fuelled with financing and propag...let's diplomatically say "PR"-services, and most importantly "lobbying money" to politicians, public sector leaders and major NGOs from a certain world's largest nation with a huge interest in turning the West into EV buyers and changing the world out of petrochemical use as it's the world's largest importer of the stuff. Oh, and they also were able to force all major carmakers into their scheme as they all need to be allowed a presence in their market...without it they will not be able to compete, so that certain large nation was able to dictate to them how they must go with this EV thing.
They even captured Tesla, saving them from certain bankruptcy by fully building them a massive factory and a full supply chain complete with regime-mandated fair pricing (for now), and also giving them massive financing to keep them breathing until that huge boost in cheap production barely got them into approx.-break-even (after massive subsidies from taxpayers all around the globe, authorised by politicians thanks to that regime paying them to sell out their citizens).
Just look at the total cost of EVs to our societies from the hundreds of billions given in subsidies and tax breaks in tens of thousands of small, separate schemes in order to hide it all from the public eye. It's given for R&D, production, sales, customers, use, tax breaks...and note how all the while ICE cars generated huge tax *_revenues_* while EVs need to be fed massive amounts of taxes...while still being far more expensive! Then there's the hundreds of billions going into infrastructure like the mega-projects of building and maintaining millions of charging stations, mega-projects of massive grid works, new power plants, the cost is MASSIVE!
And the best, most clear evidence of all: these so-called "responsible environmentalists" reveal their true colours by not having taken ANY responsibility AT ALL for EV battery recycling! No pre-funding of any recycling even though we do that for much simpler and less dangerous things like tires. Zero responsibility given to anyone? Why: because they don't really care about the environment, this is only a corruption scheme designed as a tool to funnel as much taxpayer money into their pockets as possible. And as for the power-grab: the politicians and civil servants currently in power have managed to seize a full mandate to do practically anything, spend anything, so bribing them is now more important for more companies and people than ever probably in history. Bribe them as an EV-industry company and they will funnel billions to you, all without practically any challenge from the people!
They will even let you fund terr...oh, I can't use that word on this platform...you know the people who act like criminals intimidating the whole populace in order to push through their will undemocratically? Well the EV-robber-barons are allowed to even directly fund those criminals who try to intimidate laws into effect without any fear of prosecution and even those criminals they fund are safe from any meaningful prosecution! In fact they even often get taxpayer money (in roundabout ways). They fund those criminals to force in policies and to publicise fake information and hysteria in order for their companies to not only be given even more taxpayer money but they'll even get the government to force people out of their competitors' ICE cars and into their EV cars!! (That naturally applies not only to car manufacturers, it especially applies to charging system companies, grid companies, "green consultants", all sorts of 'experts' and study-proving-your-products-are-green-for-hire university staff, you name it.)
Greed my friend, and corrupt governments, lining their pockets first ahead of caring for the planet.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Maybe watch the video first, before commenting.
I’m entirely inexpert in the use of hydrogen in cars, but one of the reasons it is problematic as a rocket propellant is that H2 is obviously very low mass, size and viscosity and therefore preventing leaks is challenging. Is this an issue for use in cars and/or is it very expensive to engineer sufficiently high-quality kit to minimise the risk of leaks?
Love it!!!! Keep it up, Damian. If we could only insert some of your common-sense and practicality into non sensible politicians from around the world.
Thanks for an interesting video, though there are still a few errors along with some unanswered questions. For sure many people are wedded to the 'sounds and smells' of internal combustion and that's fine. Hydrogen combustion will not deliver all the sensory delights but it may satisfy those who for some reason cannot tolerate the electric motor be it in a fuel cell car or EV. Not mentioned here is the range of hydrogen combustion engines, do we know? We have a fair bit of data now on the range of fuel cell cars which both Toyota and Hyundai have been selling in small numbers but nothing as yet on H2 combustion. And this is where we come on to the errors in the video. Hydrogen fuel cells are indeed classified as zero emission, as only water is emitted from the FC. But hydrogen combustion is not classified as zero emissions as you suggest here (13:15) as nitrogen oxides are released from the exhaust which as we know is damaging to the lungs and nervous system. You also say that battery electric vehicles take 'hours' to charge which is not the case. On a long journey the typical stop length at a DC rapid charger is between 15 and 40 minutes depending on the peak charging rates of the car. Sure, it takes 'hours' on an AC charger but that kind of charging is done mostly overnight or while at work (The fastest growth in AC charger sales is to companies offering EV charging to employees). You also imply that hydrogen will solve the problem of EVs not being able to go more than 200 miles as you rightly point out that fuel cell cars can do 300 to 400 on a refill. Many EVs now can go 300 miles and with the constant improvement in battery technology we are looking at 400 to 500 miles within the next few years (Chinese makers claim it already but....dubious on that). It would be good to see an alternative to BEVs for zero emissions driving but 'following the money' as they say points to billions going into building battery plants and recycling facilities all over USA, Europe and China which will only make batteries cheaper. If Toyota are serious about hydrogen in fuel cells or combustion engines they need to take a leaf out of Tesla's book and invest in the infrastructure themselves. It will be an uphill battle though as rolling out charging networks, although expensive is a good bit less so than emulating that with green hydrogen.
And what would such a green hydrogen network cost?... Sounds like a pipe dream to me...
@@angela1984a Exactly. It is a pipe dream, which is why hydrogen is NOT the future of ground transportation in fuel cells or combustion engines. 'The future' can be seen here and now in the ever growing sales of EVs.
Another great episode and the term evangelists really hits it
👍🏻👍🏻
Totally agree that EVs are not the way forward and they don’t sound cool
Love the hydrogen Rally-GR Yaris
Battery cars are going to go the same way a diesel. It's so obvious. 😂
diesel will be around for a long time yet because replacing the heavy industry fleet that uses it says so.
Great video. Thank you for the information.
I too believe that for the future there are multiple solutions for powering our cars. This can be ev, but there are other alternatives, which you clarified nicely. It all depends on where in the world you are and what works for the specific situation
Well said!
Fantastic breakdown Damien, this video and the information in it should be viewed by everyone. I’m counting down the days to when the world wakes up to the EV scam
👍🏻👍🏻
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Are you a complete moron? This video addresses all those things!
So hydrogen is like a battery. It produces electricity to power the car?
If we all worked from home it would certainly help, would love to see the impact Covid had on emissions around the world when we were all stuck indoors.
Great work guys. Entertaining, informative, truthful and enlightening. Hopefully, those in power are listening.
Much appreciated!
Well done. Great research and brilliantly presented. If they can get the infrastructure right I'd be up for one
Thanks, giuseppe 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
100 % Agree. H2 I.C.E. is the logical next progression.
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!❤️❤️❤️
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I think hydrogen sounds like a very good idea, actually. If I'm not mistaken, it is the first element in the periodic table, so I should think that the potential of hydrogen should be worth making a note of.
I tried to ask an AI about it, and it pointed this out, quote: "for every 1 MJ of final energy output delivered to the end user, a fuel cell vehicle consumes 1.67 MJ of hydrogen fuel, while a gasoline vehicle consumes 4 MJ of fossil fuel." - so the efficiency of hydrogen fuel, I would think, is far superior to even that of gasoline or diesel. You can make hydrogen from renewable energy sources as well as from fossile (such as natural gas), so I would think that it might not be a problem. Also (as also pointed out in the video, afair) the technology would if subsidized equivalently probably be able to compete (if not already) with electric etc.
@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Except obviously, I did explain where the hydrogen comes from, and you are a sad EV shill.
At last... Someone who`s talking a lot of sense, now ALL that is needed is for those who govern the world to wake up and do something..
Ask the Norwegians if they will ever consider Hydrogen again? *Note: Norway is the leader in EV adoption, 85% of new car sales are fully EVs. Norway tried Hydrogen, but after the explosion of a hydrogen filling station, they will NEVER use hydrogen again! Are the Norwegians smart? The Norway Government Pension Fund has $1 trillion.That is 1,000,000,000,000 +
I couldn’t agree more with everything stated. Having seen BMW’s in the 80ies running on hydrogen on the Nordschleife, I worry that our chosen representatives will also F. this up! Hope that a giant like Toyota can break through the political correctness that is currently not making the world we live in any better.
Brilliant video we need the uk to abort this crazy EV idea
So the way you present this you want us still tied to oil and to getting your car serviced often, so no change there, EV's change that, Also you comments about the rare earths you need to do more research on what batteries and motors are now been made of. Also your comment about zero emissions from Hydrogen is not correct 'Hydrogen engines release near zero, trace amounts of CO2 (from ambient air and lubrication oil), but can produce nitrogen oxides, or NOx. As a result, they are not ideal for indoor use and require exhaust after treatments to reduce NOx emissions.' if using a feul cell then yes. Maybe this is why this has been around for 10+ years and it has not taken off. Also the production of Hydrogen in not emission free, there is some but most is Brown/Black/Pink/Grey/Blue with better options of Green/Yellow. Lets see how this plays out.
I saw an interesting factoid today: That 200 years ago, 90% of humans were mired in extreme poverty, while today only 10% are. It is also the case that, during this same 200 year period, atmospheric CO2 concentrations have risen from about 280 ppm to about 420 ppm. Coincidence? I don't think so. Rather, the rise in human prosperity and the reduction in human suffering in these 200 years is directly causally related to this 140 ppm increase in atmospheric CO2.
Bravo, well done
Top man👍👍👍
Choices! Hydrogen or Fuel Cell cars need a network of hydrogen filling stations (that are known to blow up)🥵 OR an EV that I can plug in at home, how convenient!!!🤓
Hi Damian, I think you are gravely mistaken, there is a reason hydrogen car development has gone nowhere in the last 10 years and it's nothing to do with funding. Physics dictates any form of combustion engine will waste considerable energy as heat, no amount of research or scaling will make a fuel cell or combustion engine cheaper to manufacture then an electric motor and battery. Most batteries produced now are lfp which have no rare earth metals, after their 10 year plus lifespan it is currently more economic to recycle them to reuse 95% plus of materials than it is to mine those same materials. Hydrogen is far less energy dense than petrol, you need 18 hydrogen tankers (hgv truck) for the same of energy as 1 petrol tanker. It does have a use for fertiliser and steel production. I could go on but think this is enough for an opposing point of view. I believe Toyota along with a number of legacy car manufacturers will be bankrupt by the end of the decade, I also do not believe the government restrictions will be necessary, pure economics and predicted cost declines of electric vehicles well insure the vast majority of people will be buying cheaper electric cars or using very cheap autonomous taxis by 20:30. Time will tell, it's very interesting to see the current disruptive technologies play out...
Dear Chapman, Iit's 12:50 right now. I just tried to take your advice and book an autonomous taxi for 20:29, and the lady from the local taxi rank told me to piss off!! I thought she was a bit rude actually.
@@robtotham396, your first mistake was to waste your time talking to somebody and not use the app 😉. Is it 2030 already?
Thermodynamics limits engine fuel efficiency to less than 1/2 that of ev battery to motor. Just 2x the cost per mile! Hydrogen embrittlement will destroy most H combustion engines in less than 100,000 miles. Abu Dahbi has a solar installation they pay 2.5cents per kwH, installed 2 years ago. What are you paying for electricity? As for not enough ev materials, that analysis is so old photovoltaic panels cost 10-20x today's price, and most batteries had cobalt (not today) and cost 2-3 times today's price. BTW, as a former nuclear plant engineer I can tell you more nuclear plants will be built in the next 10 years than all of the years to-date.
On your last point, Lawrence - this is most certainly true
I’m about to take delivery of my EV, only because it’s a company car. Why can’t the EV brigade understand that they are a PART of the solution rather than THE solution? Not able to feel as smug perhaps? Anyway, I’m off to buy an ICE car I’ve always wanted. 😂
A valid point
They're part of the problem.
I think it is a sign of the times how we all march blindly towards this EV future so the politicians who make these policies and sit on the boards of these mining and EV companies it is disgusting man i just bought a V6 Alfa 159 and i am going to drive it till the wheels fall off so in about a week 😂 big fan Damien
Sir, I salute you
@@TheCarGuysTV Would you ever consider adding one of those Alfaholics restomods to the garage Damien? Seems like it would be right up your street
@@Smitlors Yes I would
@TheCarGuysTV I bet a company like that would let you behind the scenes during the build process might make an interesting series then at the end you have a brand new Alfa restomod that nobody else on UA-cam has
Where can I buy hydrogen? How much does it cost?
I really enjoyed your insight on this subject, the future is looking good just as long as the political system keep their hands off it.
How do you carry enough hydrogen in a small enough tank to fit inside a reasonably sized car to give you a decent range? At present it’s not practicable for hydrogen combustion engines.
JCB have their own on the go too.
As mentioned.
Honda smashed hydrogen years earlier 🎉
Damian, what a really good video. I live in a rural part of the UK and the EV infrastrructure will take decades to reach this area.
Everyone i work with and deal with currently has to use diesel as there is no viable alternative. (farms need tractors)
The current goverment pushed EV plan will never work for rural comunities, hydrogen or syntheic fuels are definitely the way forward.
Keep up the good work.
Glad you enjoyed it!