Singapore Airlines ECONOMY aboard the Boeing 787-10 and MID-HAUL Airbus A350-900! | BRUTALLY HONEST
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- Singapore Airlines has a unique configuration aboard some of their Airbus A350s just for short-haul flights. Those A350s and all of their Dreamliners never fly for longer than 8h, and in this video we'll fly on both!
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FLIGHT INFORMATION
Airline: Singapore Airlines
Aircraft: Boeing 787-10 / Airbus A350-900
Registration: 9V-SCO / 9V-SHH
Flight Time: 4h 40min / 1h 50min
Seat: 61A / 54A
From: Perth International
Via: Singapore Changi
To: Bangkok Suvarnabhumi
Date: January 2023
EQUIPMENT INFORMATION
Cameras used: iPhone 12 Max Pro, DJI Osmo Pocket, GoPro Hero 8 Black
Additional equipment used: Suction Cup
PRICE BREAKDOWN
Total Price: AUD 627.43
Total Routing: PER-SIN-BKK
Booked through: Singapore Airlines Website
Cost includes: Economy Class Ticket including 30kg of checked luggage and free seat reservations at booking
Booking made: September 2022
VIDEO BREAKDOWN
00:00 - Introduction
01:18 - Intro
01:38 - Perth Airport
03:04 - Boarding
04:03 - B787 Cabin and Seat
06:25 - Inflight Entertainment
06:59 - Taxi and Take Off
09:50 - Breakfast Service
11:07 - Inflight WiFi
11:31 - Approach and Landing
12:46 - Transiting in SIN
14:10 - Boarding
14:47 - A350 Cabin and Seat
15:45 - Taxi and Take Off
18:50 - Lunch Service
20:11 - Conclusion
20:42 - Landing
21:16 - Outro
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Who else appreciates that Simply Aviation focuses on Economy Class reviews instead of Business Class or First Class seats that most viewers won’t fly? SA truly cares about the viewers’ experience 😊
I appreciate they are the only ones doing consistently high-quality economy reviews, but I personally don't think it's worth commending it like they are curing cancer. If others love to and want to share their high-end travel, that's fine, you don't have to discredit them for it cause they do a great job and work hard to maintain what they are doing. The only thing you could knock them for is clickbait overly dramatic content from time-to-time.
Yeah, I really appreciate that they review economy class as there are really few UA-camrs who review economy class and he is one of the best. Whenever I plan a flight I always watch his videos before booking
@@magnustan841Where do you see anyone discrediting anyone? He/she is absolutely correct, most people can't afford or don't fly anything but economy and probably never will. I personally could care less about those classes as they don't apply to me. I want to know about the services that I'd be receiving, not lie flat beds and caviar.
Amen to that
@@JeffCD77 That’s perfectly valid too, but I always see people criticise the likes of Sam Chui, Nonstop Dan, Jen Brooks, for mainly showcasing premium cabin travel on their channels. I personally don’t think it’s warranted on that level. They dont do what they do to serve humanity, it’s entertainment at the end of the day. They are passionate about something and want to share it with others who enjoy the same thing.
What makes Simply Aviation different from others is that they almost always focus on economy travel which 90% people have to board. I felt like I traveled with them while watching the video.
I travelled from Dhaka to Sydney via Singapore on Singapore Airlines. I upgraded myself from economy to business on their a350 for 500$ on the Dhaka to Singapore flight. For a student like me, it was massive amount of money but boii was it worth it and motivated me to be successful enough to fly business regularly. And this Brutally Honest just gave me nostalgia
business class is WELL WORTH IT..
I am Singaporean and what's funny is that I always see foreigners, especially Westerners, fly Singapore Airlines and rave about every aspect and there's me going goes "uh, SQ again..." whenever I get the chance to travel. That's very much the avgeek in me, but I am proud to call SQ my home airline. They weathered the pandemic well, their service is consistently good, and seeing one of their planes abroad and getting aboard is like coming home.
I'm from Perth, WA, and think of SQ as my home airline, too. I do like variety, and therefore often fly with other airlines, but I first flew SQ nearly 50 years ago and have always been a happy customer.
Try flying & comparing LH, LX (Swiss), QF, BA,AA or UA to Singapore Airlines, and you will soon realise how good their National Carrier is.
Fly Scoot sometimes so you can complain about something local.
What i know its Singapore Airlines rank no. 1 best Airline in the world so its not surprise, SQ has always been a favorite airline for many people.
I actually appreciate the security checks at the gate at Changi because that makes getting through immigration super fast and as long as one makes it to the gate on time, one is unlikely to miss the flight even if one has to queue a little at the gate. This system actually means more airport personnel is working on security checks as compared to those airports that only offer a common security queue.
I agree
I absolutely hate it when airports put security right before the boarding gate due to the issue with having to dump out water right before boarding; knowing that Changi airport knows about this truly shows how good the airport is
Only remember Tegel for doing this.
But not all terminals in changi does it.
Departed from T3 when flying to BNE.
They placed it at the gate complex start.
It sure makes the up in the air trick difficult to use...
Im confused so is this a good thing or bad thing lol
Changi is one of the most confusing of the airports in terms of security check. There are 3 types for its 4 terminals:
1. At-gate Security: All Terminal 1, 2 gates as well as some Terminal 3 gates. Personally my most favorite option as I can take my own sweet time until close to final call (the plane has to wait for you). Also, the queues are much less towards the tail end of the boarding call. The only other airport that I know which has this style is Kuala Lumpur main terminal (not the AirAsia one).
2. Single security for selected gates: Some gates at Terminal 3 (late-A gates and some A and B gates towards the middle of the terminal) use such concept to save space for queueing or to lump flights with low loads at these gates.
3. Single security for all gates: Most travelers are familiar with this concept as this is the norm all over, but it is my least favorite as I have to rush to the gate after a long security line. Changi, however has this only at Terminal 4, which is why airside transfers from T4 to the other terminals require security clearance before taking the airside bus.
Changi usually have water station at the gates so you can refill it but shame you can brought outside drink other than alcohol duty free one
Security clearance at the gate is much easier, as you are not waiting along with everyone else who are flying elsewhere to clear security and rush to your gates. Also, there is always somewho is running late, and is trying to beg other people let themto jump the queue...
Brother, your channel is beyond the best in regards aviation/travel/flight when compared to other UA-camrs. Factual. No-hype. Informative. Straight to the point. Thank you for being a breathe of fresh air!
Singapore airlines really overhauled the A380 cabin compared to when you guys flew it 5 years ago. Singapore airlines also offers FREE Wi-Fi now, which started in July! All you need to do is sign up for their free loyalty program and that’s it!
man I feel bad for the parked A380. It is one if the best planes that I have ever been on.
The fact is the Singapore Airlines crew can serve hot food on 1 hour and 30 min flights from SGN to SIN definitely amazed me. Last year, I flew with their regional business class and I am satisfied with the service and had the best meal ever in flight.
yet 18 hours flight to NY/SF only 2 hot meals. its laugahable.
@@djusbddjvz8 hours flight to SIA logic is Medium Haul, AKA only one meal
The food is edible, nice, but not "WOW DELICIOUS" kind
I'm pretty sure that the flight took at least 2 hours. Not 1.5 hours.
@@nntflow7058 its is only 1 and a half. SQ crew is very efficient.
@@starsaber100 well it is depend on the catering location. That day the catering was provided by VN Airlines catering, I had Vietnamese braised pork and it was super flavorful.
As an Australian, I've now made SQ my go to for Asian flights as they run rings around Qantas. I've already done 6 economy class flights with them this year on their 737-8, 787-10 and A350 regional product. All flights were very comfortable and I'm always super impressed by their service and cabin. I look forward to my SYD-SIN A350 flights booked for September 😊
I think Qantas service is pretty good. What’s not good is their planes. I had the pleasure of flying Qantas QF2 A380 SIN-SYD last year. when we landed they could not open the doors. They had to get technicians to come and open the doors. On top of that. The entertainment screens stopped intermittently during the flight. Sure it’s a one off case probably. But does Not leave a great impression.
@@billtang79 Qantas has bad meal services
Came here after I heard some news that Singapore Airlines became the *Best Airline of 2023 at Skytrax World Airline Awards* decrowning Qatar Airways who just dropped down to 2nd place… and this video proved it that Singapore Airlines is a MUST choice for traveling when you need a transit in Singapore (in this case, I'm in Jakarta and whenever I want to travel to Newark, Singapore Airlines is the only option here for the direct flight to Newark)!
And rightfully so! I've flown Qatar Airways a few times and, while they are certainly good, they are nowhere near SIA, nor other Asian carriers or even Emirates.
@@dennisrettke I agree with you 😊
I never trust skytrax anyways but I’m glad Qatar airways is decrowned
Skytrax is like the same person is a judge and lawyer
Middle east carriers are the worst if you're in economy class, especially Emirates.
catering is one of the first things airline cut back when they need to reduce cost, but the fact you still get a hot meal in a sub 4 hour flight already beats pretty much every airline in NA. Plus their hard product is still top tier.
They have the same meal even for short flights like 2-3 hrs. This is their breakfast serving, the dinner one usually has additional ice cream & a fruit cup.
SIA was planning to switch to disposable cutlery in premium economy & some mid-haul flights too during the pandemic, which drew them some flak
Thank you so much for this wonderful video! I got veryy excited when SQ224 was said, as it is a flight I board almost every year and I have many great memories with Singapore Airlines. As usual, the video quality was fabulous, and I am looking forward to the next one!
Another great video. Keep up the great work David,Felix and Simon 👍👍
Those were two very smooth landings!
Thank you for your videos. I’m flying from Aruba to Barcelona, Spain via Bogota, Colombia with Avianca in a month time. I’m going to try and make something like this! 😅
Avianca una aerolínea que brinda un servicio Low Cost.
I have travelled from los Angeles to Singapore it is the best experience i ever had in my entire life
Hey David i think this video is your video in a very long time... Awesome video man as usual i am happy to see your video ❤❤that too reviewing my most favourite airline
I think you will be happy seeing Austrian B777 in Bangkok airport
I think I've traveled with Singapore Airlines only twice in my life up to this point. One is a mid haul from Singapore to Hong Kong and one a long haul flight from Singapore to Amsterdam. Both were some 25 years ago. I remembered that they were excellent trips. Too bad Singapore Airlines are way too expensive for my budget these days. But I hope I'd be able to experience their excellent service again someday. Excellent video!
Great review as always David! Glad you flew on my national carrier and visited my country.
I'm flying to New Zealand (via Singapore for a few days) on Singapore Airlines in 2 weeks, and this has just made me even more excited to go!
I just hope i can secure a window seat at check-in or even an upgrade of some sort! 😅
I had the pleasure of flying SQ last April, to SG on the 787, and back home to Manila on the A350. Since then, I never get tired of telling my family and friends about my flights on SQ, that's just how amazing they were. Now, I'm facing a long 8 month wait to fly with them again in February. If nothing changes until then, I'll be back aboard their 787 and A350 again. So damn excited to run it back with SQ
Sure beats Philippine Airlines, Jetstar, etc on that route!
@MichaelGGarry Philippine Airlines has degraded to the point of competing with AirAsia & Cebu Pacific so that's not surprising at all 😂
Local stock exchange rumor is that it's run as a family business so they hire an expert to save the company & then replace them with the son once recovered, & then the idiot runs the company to the ground again & rinse & repeat.
What an awesome video man!
You’re so thorough with your videos. Good job.
It's my dream to fly with Singapore airlines on long-haul. I flew with them on route BCN-MXP last year and it was fantastic! ❤ This route continues to SIN. I tried only short-haul part. And in business class. ✈️ Crew were extraordinary, I was so happy and views from large windows in A350 were nice, too. 😊 What a wonderful flight!
I really enjoyed this review, further, I really appreciate the avgeek level the review gets into, going into airline and aircraft specific details you normally don't see. Thanks for a great review!
Nice to see little old Perth get a look in. The new Airport rail line is well worth a go.
As for SQ, they really are brilliant.
We've been waiting for too long for this railway to open. Last time I took it and it is very convenient and cheap compare with any other options we got.
I have been waiting for the SQ 787 tripreport, I remember I commented on one of your video to make this video, thank you so much
Finally, a video that includes Perth (where I live)!
Yay, Simply Aviation (Brutally honest) has now flown out of Perth! My home city. Great review as always! SIA always delivers
@Zoranvuko I also live in Perth!😊
@@adifferentview280 Me too
Nice review like usual🎉 well done
nice review, more reviews to come. Big fan of this channel
SQ’s 787-10 economy class are quite great. I also did the TRIP REPORT on my channel.
I like the layout of this vid. It’s a mix of a tripreport and brutally honest etc. I like that it’s narrated but doesn’t make it too much about a presenter. Good job
Great to see my home city of Perth again on a trip report! Haven't seen many
Amazing video! :) Thanks!
The mid haul A350 is also used to Dubai and the 787-10 to Delhi and Mumbai
I found the difference on 9V-SMS vs 9V-SHA clear.
SHA is for 3-8 hours, feels more squeezed.
SMS is for 8-13 hours
Did CPH-SIN-BNE last year and it was worth the doh...
I flew Singapore Airlines to Bali from the UK with a layover at changi… 14hrs direct from England to Singapore was so good the time flew by.
I think their reason to put security checks right outside the gate is to minimise noise when they announce boarding groups so that it is quieter in the terminal.
it's also design. You won't see any snaking queues and security checks at Changi's airport entrances. It would make Changi look messy, noisy and disorganised.
I recently travelled on SQ PE and Economy, the hard product was good, but the rest was average. I have been watching reviews of other airlines like Starlux, ANA and JAL, and Singapore Airlines really have to up their catering game🙃
I can agree sometimes the food can lack in quality but sometimes it’s actually decent
Very nice David I love the coverage. I want to see TAP Air Portugal in a brutally honest ❤
WOW David, Really impressed by your intro!!! Please tell us how you do it and what softwares do you use.
Excellent takeoff by the captain not to high not too low either!
I flew the 78X to NRT and back last month, overall the product is very good but having 301 economy seats do slow down the meal service a bit and I do see the crew getting a bit overwhelmed when there’s an influx of passenger requests. Also another thing I observed is that SQ serve only one main meal while ANA on the same route serves one main meal and one pre-landing snack and drink.
I do wish they provide premium economy on these planes since traveling couples will have a hard time trying to find the right seat in this cabin, they could either hope for an empty middle seat or try to book the rearmost seat but those seats are very often blocked.
Traveled in May with Singapore Airlines from Copenhagen via Singapore to Manila to visit my girlfriend! Economy all the way and I felt like a king anyway! Good service, comfortable. Gonna do same trip in January/February again and looking forward to do it 😊!
A very interesting video😊 I have had the pleasure of flying Singapore airlines long haul, most recently in August 2018, from Christchurch New Zealand, to London Heathrow, with a stopover and plane change at the fantastic Changi airport in Singapore😊 I flew from NZ on a 777 for a 10 hour flight to Singapore, then after a few hours layover at the lovely Changi airport, boarded an Airbus A380, for a 13 hour journey through the night to London. I was extremely impressed with Singapore airlines in flight service, and hope to be able to fly with them in the future if I can😊
That was great, i loved it ❤
From July 2023, SIA offers full journey complementary Wi-Fi for all Kris-flyer(free to register), even in economy class
Fantastic review guys!😸
Love your videos
I will travel from Tokyo to Paris with SGA i can’t fait !!
Thanks for this review and all your reviews on economy class
Great flight and reviews.
I Havent Experience B787-10 Yet,Singapore Airlines Have On Of The Best Economy Product Out Ther My Opinion .Great Trip Report
Flown on the business class on the newest A350 on Starlux and 787 on EVA few weeks ago, I will say 787 still better, the windows really make a huge difference; the inside of the 787 feels taller, could be the overhead bin design? on the A350 I kept bump my head into the bin 😅
the problem of SIA is the price lately. when I travel for work i do use it, but for personal use it's either mile redemption or other options.
The price is just similar with the services you get, I see many others offering worse service still have higher airfares than SQ
@@anhminho6115 genuinely never seen a higher airfare than SQ
Oh god your back let’s gooooo
Nicely done mate 👌
❤Singapore Airlines❤
I'll be flying JFK-SIN and SIN-ICN one on the ULR, one on the 78X. Looking forward to both trips!
If you guys notice, the mid-haul A350s have different maps compared to their remaining widebodies fleet B777; B787; A380 and even... their long-haul A350s. However, honest to say, I can fly their B787-10/A350-900MH on even longer routes which can be around 12-13 hours. SQ really deserves the best airlines titles
Yes, I notice it, although I don’t know why they make that change, and I still prefer the Voyager 3D map rather than the Geofusion’s one
I have flown Singapore Airlines on the PER-SIN on both the 787 and the A350. Unfortunately, I must say I prefer to fly the Qantas A330 on the route, simply due to the fact that I find the seats on the SQ 787 and A350 uncomfortably narrow. All other aspects of the flight are always amazing, but I really do value comfort over the five star service SQ provide.
The Qantas a330 actually has the narrowest seats of those three planes having 17.2 inches of width with Singapore airlines having 17.3 inches for the 787 and 18 for the a350. The 2-4-2 of the a330 as opposed to the usual 3-3-3 or 3-4-3 for wide bodies can make it feel less cramped than it actually is though.
That’s because when flying with QF, you are flying their A330s, which are configured in a 2-4-2 layout, so you will feel less cramped than B787s and A350s. Just wait till QF uses 787 for flights to SIN and I believe you’ll change your mind
Excellent review. ❤
Miss flying with SIA. Frequent flyer not only SIA but others too. Haven't been travel since covid happened.
I love this series, are you planning on taking a route to Chile? (Latam airlines)
You should get a decibel-o-meter and take cabin volume readings in flight. This will vary greatly depending on seat location and aircraft type, but could be really useful information that almost nobody provides. The A380 is the quietest and most comfortable aircraft I've ever flown, the A340 comes close. Boeings tend to be louder.
Not the 737 max or 787 though, I have actually found them to be slightly quieter than their airbus counterparts, the a320neo and a350. Nothing beats upper deck of a380 though in terms of noise level and overall comfort but did not care for a340 the several times I flew on it.
@@cjohnson8126 I found the A350 way quieter than the 787, but was also sitting a bit farther forward. I haven't flown on a 737 max or a320 neo so I can't compare. As I said, measurements would be a nice addition to these reviews
Since you showed Batik Air Malaysia in the earlier part of the video, just wanted to share the news that Batik Air Malaysia will start a KUL-DBX using their B737-8 soon. Thats nearly 8 hours on a narrow body.
07.09 Batik will be coming soon to Auckland from Perth. Will be another long haul trip for a 737Max
Just miss their towel service before take off, they reduce meal portion as well , but yes it’s still best choice for Asian return back home
Quite 🥬 0:01
I actually flew from perth to singapore on their 787 10 and its actually good
Good flights, but I agree with David that the breakfast provided on the first flight (Perth-Singapore) could have been a bit more substantial. I have heard from a good number of people that Singapore Airlines have cut back their catering to some extent. The breakfast flight I had from Nadi to Sydney (4 hour sector) earlier in the year on Fiji Airways was much more substantial than the offering on this SQ flight.
I heard all that, then travelled with SIA just last month and had some of the nicest meals I have had on any aircraft. Although I do order the special diet meals - which are often better than the normal meals!
The catering & extras on SQ economy not what they were. Covid has been used as an excuse to cut standards. No fresh fruit. No salt or pepper. No trademark hot towels, meals that are carb heavy. I hope they lift their game as the crews are still excellent but the product not what it was a few short years ago.
19:15 By the way SATS has since diversified beyond airport ground handling services & also offers food catering outside airports e.g. MICE, military bases
They look very comfortable.
I fly SQ SIN-MNL December 2024. Seated in row 59 👌. The 787-10 has the shortest range of the 787 series, which is why it's limited to medium haul routes. But I think the A359 takes care of those long haul routes
Personal air vents are a feature of the flight manufacturer and not the airline. I too do a fair amount of travel and what I have noticed is that the personal air vents are outdated and only available in the older short haul smaller flights like A321 or lower. Wide body jets don't anymore feature those personal air vents.
That indoor garden in changi airport, really is a foot massage sort of garden. Those stones on the "path" are meant to be walked on bare footed.
I have to say that having not travelled with SQ since 2018, I was impressed with the products they offered. I was particularly impressed by the SATS sustainable catering offerings. Those small lunchboxes pack a tasty punch and I quite like the wooden/bamboo cutlery. I felt I was fed more between CGK and SIN with SQ than I was with BA between LAX and LHR. Also, the A350-900 felt just as familiar and comfortable as the 777-300ER they use on the CGK sector.
Thank you for all your work dear Simply Aviation team! We appreciate your work, for all your tripreports and your original series, Brutaly Honest! Thank you for that you do more Economy Tripreports, wich we can really experience (of course we thank you for business, premium economy, and first class too!) So Thank You very much...❤
-Sergeant TSeveN
Go perth! Get in there kents 😊
Hey just wondering can you do a video of going to larnaca please. It would mean so much to me and my family
7:36 Qantas B717🥲
We flew SQ exclusively for the last twenty years. But $3,800 MEL -MUC this August changed that. Hoping they can win us back next year.
Could you guys try the new emirates a380 premium economy. I’m traveling to Dubai and would love to see how it is
Flying to Singapore on the A350 out of Brisbane tomorrow. First time with Singapore Air..
I'd love to see you do a brutally honest review of JetBlue's transatlantic service in economy from the east coast to London, Paris, or Amsterdam!
Pls do long haul economy config on the A350 its quite nice and is very different from med haul A350s maybe Sin -> Man. Sin-> man has a high chance youll fly 9V-SMF a long haul A350 also the 10,000 airbus aircraft
I’m pretty sure they already have a trip report on the long haul a350
@@smilesmite6682 not in economy config
Singapore Airlines is the best airline in the world and for good reason.
im from Perth too 😮😮😮
Same
Good vid but u need or try kuwait airways 777-300er it’s rlly comfortable
Do really all 787s have dimmable windows? I flew them in 2018 (United) and 2019 (LATAM) and I don’t remember the ones I flew on had them.
5:42 just an observation. Most Asian passengers do not like cold air blasting on their face hence part of the reason why the individual air vents are not prioritised in SQ. I’m sure cost savings is the other factor.
What was the seat width like on the 787-10. Old reliable seatguru had the width listed as 18.9 inches which I'm almost certain is a lie but I was wondering how it was... especially compared to other 787s with the 3-3-3 config
Simply Aviation is the Singapore Airlines of the youtube travel review channels.
Singapore airlines good job
Hey if the mongolian b787-9 goes on comersial flight try it out it arrived on august 11th
I had the chance to fly the SQ 787 from Perth to Singapore and the entertainment system was good - live TV. But they didn’t have the games on the in flight entertainment. People had to download the SQ app on their phones and other devices.
Next I flew the SQ A350 from SIN-CAN - the in flight map was much better than 787 (at least they show innovative features including tail registration, wind speed and information on nearby airport.
I went on Singapore airlines a350 and some reason one has the recaro seats and the other has an older beige looking one
Hello. Amazing meal service. I spent the same amount of time on a United Airlines flight between San Juan Puerto Rico (SJU) and Chicago O'Hare (ORD) and the only "free" meal service was a round of beverages and some snacks (you had to pay for the snacks) and the time I flew was around 13h30 (supposed to be Lunch time). Abysmal, a very poor product offered by United.
Unbelievable how the Kris bird logo is still innovative and a truly timeless company brand identity.
Again super reportage
you guys should do a brutally honest episode on garuda indonesia
I flew with SQ from adelaide to singapore on the A350 and the flight time was nearly 7hours and there was only 1 full meal served and i got really hungry so i had to went to the galley to get snacks
Same on most sin-syd & syd-sin on SQ now. Catering service has been downgraded.
Its because they now class Australia as "regional" flight so they can cut the offering, saving a lot of $$. 8 hours is a lengthy time w only 1 meal!
@@sammybernstein2824 thats one disappointment from SQ