What's also so sad is that it fundamentally shifted the entire course of the Marlins franchise. That lineup had Yelich, Ozuna, Stanton and Realmuto. They had a solid bullpen. This was a team on the rise. They blew it up afterward, and haven't really been able to recover since.
Yep. As a Mets fan in the same division as the Marlins, I clearly remember Jose Fernandez's death as the last time they were competitive for the division
It is a frustrating situation. I truly believe the Jose before the incident is the real person. Someone filled with life, gratitude and joy. That is someone we all should aspire to be.. but drugs and alcohol literally alter you thoughts and behavior. I don’t believe we should vilify him to the extent of his mistakes. He should be held accountable but not forgotten. He is a story of caution for our future youth.
I was 13 when this happened. I was born and raised in Miami, Florida, and was, and still am, one of the biggest Marlins fans you could find. I had essentially watched Jose trot out every 5 days for a quarter of my life up to that point. His death destroyed me for many years. I was too young to know how to express my grief and trauma, so it materialized as anger and depression. It took so many years to finally let go and accept it. What Jose did was idiotic and horrible, but I remember the times when I met him where he was so kind and thoughtful to a kid who dreamed of being like him. He meant everything to me, and i’ll always remember the good times.
I can tell you’ve never dealt with a meaningful death in your life, like a family or friend 😂😂 your grief and trauma? What from a dude you watched on tv and maybe got a picture with? What a baby, you’re off yourself when one of your parents or something dies
I think one thing that should have been more acknowledged out of the Fernandez boat crash, was the fact that MLB drug testing is still a joke. Fernandez had to have been using Cocaine throughout the season, yet none of the drug testing picked it up. It's the same thing with the Tyler Skaggs tragedy.
Hence the Astros and their cheating scandal being thrown out there. It obfuscated the Skaggs tragedy and the press it would have gotten, and prevented the story from capturing the public interest. The drug issues go far beyond just shoddy testing in MLB. Manfred protects the brand above all.
He might have or might not have been using all season or for that matter his whole career idk and I’m sure you don’t either so don’t speculate that part we know he used it on this occasion. I do 100 percent agree the drug testing policy is a joke they need to get the testing done properly or just do away with it all together as far as I’m concerned do it right or don’t do it at all
Cocaine is out of your system for a urinalysis really quickly. You'd have to test like every other day to reliably say someone isn't using. It shows for 30 days in a hair test if they go that route. And you may be right on his usage throughout the season, but sometimes it does only take one mistake
Showing pics of Bonds & Clemens as 'bad people' who are still remembered is foolish. Using steroids is not nearly the same as KILLING PEOPLE. Even if the deaths weren't premeditated, the decision to use cocaine & get drunk is entirely his fault.
Clemens supposedly groomed an underage girl and Bonds is a known piece of shit with multiple domestic violence allegations dating back to 1995, Rose also had an incidnet with an underage girl. I think the way it was presented in the video was wrong but the narrator was right, they were all bad people.
They all had cocaine in their system and were drunk. Since he was driving he should be held accountable. And he paid the ultimate price. But pretending the others on the boat were forced and had nothing to do with it is so dumb
That mid 2010s Marlins team was an up & coming team too. Not only Jose Fernandez leading that pitching staff but Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, Gordon & an old Ichiro on the bench. His death was a blow to that team that could have made noise the next season. & yeah, the ownership would have still dismantled that team later on still.
As a Mets fan I feel his death has basically ended that franchise. They have been terrible since his death and that team was fun to watch when he was there. The crowd doesn’t exist anymore at marlins games and it’s really sad to see because had he lived, baseball would be way different today
@Richardtherat-t2d what are you talking about lol last year attendance had gone up by like 20% i should know i was THERE miami loves baseball and once they finally bring out a championship team they're going to have a similar outcome that the panthers just had....top 10 in attendance and constant sell outs.
Killing 2 guys and yourself while leaving your girlfriend pregnant… Doesn’t deserve to be wiped clean from history? Yes it was a tragedy and he was on his way to being a hall of famer but cmon if I were to do what he did I would he victimized just as much as he has.
No you wouldn’t. People in the spotlight get a lot more scrutiny for this stuff. A guy in my hometown killed someone while drunk driving and he’s walking free and acts like it wasn’t a big deal.
No offense, you wouldn't be scrutinized the same....because nobody would remember you the same as a professional athlete. Maybe your closest friends or someone in your neighborhood might trash your name, but this was an icon in the area
@@shanaeverowe9626100% agree with you, I feel like that’s pretty obvious based on the news clips he uses; they all focus on Jose and just mention the other 2 in passing because they had no fame or notoriety compared to him.
I can’t help but think about Yordano Ventura everytime I see someone mention Jose Fernandez. Ventura was a similar player and was a young rising star for the royals.
Their stories may be similar, but Yordano Ventura was never close to the pitcher Jose Fernandez was, and got progressively worse each year he was in the league.
@@tillitsdoneyeah and that’s why no one cares about Ventura, yet they care about this loser who caused the death of everyone including himself by being a useless coke head.
Perfect example of why no one should assume … don’t’ assume to worst and don’t assume the best. But to all those who rushed to say how tragic this “accident” was, just remember that it occurred at 3 AM.
Bartolo grooved Dee Gordon that batting practice fastball. Every pitch was 82 and trying to leave it in the middle. He’s a classy guy and knew it was a moment bigger than him or even baseball.
Fernandez killed two people and himself. While he was under the influence of booger sugar and alcohol. You can't compare that to Bonds, Rose, or Clemens. That is a completely different beast in a league of it's own.
Great video, but I think it's really unfair to try to say that anything Barry bonds did with PEDs is somehow worse than a guy being killed because he was intoxicated.
@@StarkRavingSports so allegations now are what we judge, and I'm not defending The allegations. But no one solves it him in there and thought that they're all thinking PEDs
He wasn't comparing THEM, he was comparing PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION of them. So many baseball fans memory-holed Fernandez, a kid who made an idiotic, irresponsible, reprehensible mistake. Yet most of these same people idolize someone who intentionally cheated, for years, and was also a scumbag. He's saying he doesn't understand the mindset of hating the one, who is dead and left behind a family, mind you, while whining that the other, who's still alive, well, and f'ing rich, just doesn't get to be in the Hall of Fame. I tend to agree with him.
@@usarms149my guy, Barry Bonds was a HoF’er before steroids we have every right to appreciate that. Fernandez killed himself and two others with his decision making. One of those things is taking lives albeit accidentally and the other is cheating in a kids game they get paid to play. In no way are those things equivalent.
@@darthbauer5153 Barry lost his claim to the Hall the day he made and acted on a conscious decision to break the rules. And again, the content creator is not comparing their actions, he's comparing the "fans'" perception of those actions, and how some are vilified while others are ignored at best, idolized at worst. He's making the very valid point that people's views of morality are skewed based on preference and convenience. In other words, if you want to make Fernandez the ultimate villain you need to stop crying about Barry not getting a plaque.
If anyone else was driving the boat, Jose has that statue at Marlins Park, and potentially a HOF plaque when his era came up in committee. Instead, he’s a pariah. This is why you stay away from drugs. Period.
So many of the top prospects in this era died at insanely young ages. Yeah, Jose was on drugs. He was as irresponsible as it gets, taking other lives with him. But he had a family and friends and teammates that loved him.
The fact that he had a family makes it worse. When you have a wife and child that you're supposed to be there for, you don't do stupid shit like Jose did to get himself killed. That doesn't mean that it's not sad what happened to him, it just means that it is 100% Jose's fault and we should not feel sad for him, but for his family that he left behind
I don't think it's a controversial opinion that Jose Fernandez was a great pitcher with the Marlins, but he and the other two victims were also the result of the consequences of his actions. He should be remembered for both of those things whether people like it or not. I don't think this narrative of "as time passes by" can or should change any of that. He was in fact intoxicated that resulted in the death of 3 people and that's a crime, whether he would've survived or not.
That's the same for musicians as well. Mac Miller juice world to name a couple everybody was sad that they died but they overdosed juice world overdosed because he was trying to hide the drugs on his plane so he took everything he had on the plane as the cops were about ready to board it. For those who like that genre of music they made decent music but let's not forget the flip side of the coin they were partaking in illegal activities these drugs are illegal for a reason You know the side effects of the drugs you're taking and one of the possible side effects is death but everybody overlooks that part so it downplays the drugs and the habit forming nature of some of these and it's almost like it's glorified in their genres of music. Everybody was sad that they died but they neglect to look at the reason why they died. And everybody wants everybody else to feel bad about it I don't. If you weren't doing the illegal activities you were doing you would still be alive. Same thing could be said for Fernandez. You were partaking in hardcore drugs you put two other people's lives at danger and because of your intoxication you killed not only yourself but two other people. And I guarantee you those two other people had families kids parents wives and you've disrupted the lives of no less than 10 people because of your poor judgment
Both of the other guys were drunk as well though so nobody was really in any shape to drive that boat, I don’t really know what else they could’ve done except call the coast guard maybe or radio for help that they were to intoxicated to drive the boat. But alcohol(mixed with cocaine especially) gives people a false sense of sobriety. But yes it was a terrible tragedy and very sad but I don’t exactly think he should be made a villain like a lot of people think
@@nickgavis0305exactly. People make shitty choices in life and they end in tragedy sometimes. But every single story you hear about him he was the best guy.
@@Techprep23 I mean, one of those is only putting yourself in danger, not the lives of other people. Drugs are not a morally wrong thing to do. It's silly they're illegal, and it's childish to think keeping them illegal is the right thing to do. The law doesn't stop people from doing things, Juice WRLD would still be alive if we didn't have such childish laws and childish minds like yours who think drugs in themselves are bad. Do us all a favor and grow up sometime.
As the daughter of a Cuban exile, and a Mets fan, I was incredibly sad when José died- but I felt no pity for him. I saw how much my father’s family lost to come to the US, and how it affected him for life. He and I both felt disappointed in José for throwing away a chance most Cuban kids will never get. Also, afaik, neither Bonds nor Clemens committed murder. Fernández did, and that puts him in the company of criminals, not heroes.
I’m not defending Jose’s actions but i really hate how people make it out like it was Jose’s entire mission to kill his friends. People make shitty decisions in life and unfortunately you get killed for it sometimes but i still don’t think Jose was a bad person by any means, he was loved by everyone and it sucks that details surrounding his death overshadow the good he did in this world in such a short life.
People that aren’t familiar with Miami or south Florida don’t really understand how something like that could happen. Picture being 20 sonething kid from Cuba, now you have tons of money and fame. Every rich person has a boat and cruises around south beach so you get a massive 40+ foot boat with 700hp and can take all your friends out. One night after a few drinks your friends want to go on a cruise so you all get on and start driving around. You want to show everyone a good time so you open the throttle and plane off. You’ve seen so many other people do this that you’re not worried about it being so dark-it’s the ocean just follow the coast! But other people that do it know the area, know the channel markers and where the jetty’s are. You probably don’t even see it until you’re already hit it and now people are dead Not excusing it but I understand it tbh it’s very very easy to get yourself killed on a boat. Especially with no experiencing and false confidence from drinking
@@thtswhtshesai6d9 It’s a very sad situation man and I’ve even seen comments from addicts and former addicts who understand him. He wasn’t a bad guy he just made a poor decision and unfortunately got himself and his buddies killed.
The thing that ticks me off the most is how the other families reacted. I completely understand that they were mourning. But those other men willingly got on the boat, and willingly did everything just the same as Jose. Clearly it’s terrible and Jose paid the ultimate price. But they are tarnishing his legacy
“There are other ball players who have committed much more harmful, disgusting, and premeditated acts….” You proceed to show Rose, Bonds, and Clemens. None of their “harmful, disgusting, or premeditated acts” resulted in the deaths of themselves and or others. I agree. He made a huge mistake and paid the ultimate price. I still remember him fondly. What happened doesn’t remove the short time we got to see him shine as a pitcher. He was incredible. But to compare what he did to a guy who bet on games and a group of should he hall of Famers tarnishing their brand with steroids is nowhere near comparable. We can still hold McGwire and Sosa in the highest regards because their historic home run race saved baseball when it was suffering from the strike 4 years before. We can hold Clemens in the highest regards for his single game strikeout record that still stands, with Wood tying it. You can hate Bonds, but more because he’s an asshole. But I still get chills watching him hit number 756. And the Pete Rose fiasco needs to be done and over with. I’ve not met too many fans who don’t think he should be in the HOF. As a fan of baseball, what happened with Fernandez was a tragedy. Would love to have seen what he would’ve become. But steroids and gambling don’t result in the unintentional deaths of others. Let’s be real. You had me with most of the video. But the end was just a bit wonky my guy.
I miss Jose fernandez, but I hate Jose fernandez. That sounds harsh because it's supposed to be harsh. You just don't do that shit if you have kids. I don't care what you say about addiction, even though it is a disease and a mental illness that does not excuse the blatant stupidity and disregard for human life. I blame Jose for how his own life ended. Nobody else.
Im not sure who the narrator is claiming did “far worse” than Jose, but there are two people no longer on this earth and a child growing up fatherless. It don’t get more worse than that.
He's an example of "separating art from the artist," so to speak. You can respect him and admire him for his on-field skills. While recognizing the flaws he had as a human being.
Coke addict here. As somebody who understands the temptation of what he went through, i think it's.. a uniquely human tragedy. I try to put myself in his shoes and i think.. what if i'd had millions of dollars and my /habit/ at 24 years old? I, predictably, think it's unfair to demonize the guy. Especially since both passengers had been drinking, and one of them was high, too. He didn't cheat. He didn't play dirty. He was never malicious. He and his friends got wasted and messed up. I bet a good portion of the nasty comments on this video are from people who, themselves, have a DUI or two. You don't erase a guy for being human. Especially if he wasn't a malicious offender with evil in his heart.
Thank god someone with some sense. Half the people commenting seem like the never even heard the full story, he was a great person and a great player. Him and his friends were out drinking and having fun on the boat one night and a tragic accident happened plain and simple, I don’t understand why people are trying to vilify him so much
I could not agree more. When I think back to all the times I could’ve suffered the same fate because of poor decision making at a time in my life when poor decisions were all too common, it’s easy to understand and have sympathy and compassion. All too often though, it seems like we enjoy the fall from grace more than the rise in this country, especially where sports stars are concerned. It’s a truly sad characteristic of our country and its media.
It was a sad day for sure. It was a tragedy all the way around. He was an awesome pitcher who took the league by storm with a great back story. He made a really bad decision that proved to cost the ultimate price. Yes he was driving the boat and got the others on board killed, but they also decided to get on the boat with him and also had a hand in getting themselves killed. RIP José
As a pediatrician, I think based on the information provided, Mr. Fernandez was a victim (as many adolescent and late adolescent individuals are), of a not yet fully developed frontal lobe which led him to take risks that perhaps he would not have taken if he was more mature. Driving a motorboat at 65 mph at night is not easy even if you are not impaired. After all he had been through, perhaps he thought (as many with adolescent thought patterns do), he was 10 feet tall and bulletproof. I didn’t know him personally so I have no way of knowing for sure. But his death, and the death of his passengers, was nonetheless tragic. I think he should be remembered for what he accomplished, but the remembrance should also allude to what can happen if one makes poor decisions and should be part of every mlb team’s life skills training for their minor league and younger mlb players. This incident is an eerie reminder of a similar incident years before that claimed the lives of Cleveland pitcher Steve Olin and others that occurred during spring training.
It’s hard for me to feel too bad for a man who was intoxicated and operating a boat when he really shouldn’t have. He killed 2 of his friends, he left behind a pregnant wife. People don’t realize that if he survived this he likely would’ve been serving a lengthy jail sentence for manslaughter. With that said, it truly is a tragedy that such a sparkling star engaged in such an idiotic act. Please be smart with the decisions you guys make.
Its a massive mental issue. This just illustrates how non addicts feel about addicts. Personally, I think it is totally unfair to judge something you cannot completely understand. At 25 you could not tell me shit. I paid a price and am lucky to be alive. Its still hard. Addiction wants to take everything from you. No matter what is at stake. It makes no sense. Even to addicts. The situation sucks. Wish he had the chance to do his time and redeem himself.
Miss Jose. His turn in the rotation was that Sunday afternoon and he probably wouldn't have been out Saturday night but the Marlins pushed his start back to Monday for the extra 10,000 fans he brought to each start instead of losing that competing against a Dolphins home game.
Having coached baseball for years and been a lifetime fan Jose Fernandez still goes down as my favorite pitcher of all time to watch. Simply amazing talent and his personality just made every start fun to watch and be part of which can’t be said for basically any pitcher. His death was absolutely a tragedy and was one of the few celebrity deaths to hurt me personally.
When he saved his mom he didn't even know it was her. He saw someone go overboard and jumped in to save her and didn't know until after they were back in the boat it was his mom
Ok? Does that discredit him? It was a fucking tropical storm out there and he saw someone fall overboard, he risked his life for someone he didn’t even know… if anything that makes him a greater human being.
@Struzzzmann exactly my point. Not knowing who it was just seeing someone in need and risking his life to later find out it was his own mother is incredible and to do it at such a young age. I always was and will always be a huge fan of his.
Loved this coverage on a complicated story. Great video overall. It's a story that definitely deserved to be told, but highlighting "much more harmful, disgusting, and premeditated acts" as gambling and steroid use, we need to take a step back. Neither of those 2 men are glorified or honored in most cases. Both kept out of the Hall. Most importantly, they didn't end the lives of others or themselves. It just felt like a careless opinionated agenda at the end of an otherwise good video.
I was lucky enough to see Jose pitch in person. He was by far my favorite player in the league and to this day the only celebrity death I truly cried over.
@@Johnfisher12345 Look up "murder" in a dictionary, because you obviously don't know what it means. At worst he was guilty of manslaughter. There is a distinct difference.
@moonswan7587 And incredibly damaging! Drunk driving deaths, domestic violence fueled by alcohol, OD's, etc. Alcohol is FAR from innocent, no matter how legal and encouraged it is.
@@moonswan7587 seriously. I feel like I live in a fantasy world. I’m by no means advocating for cocaine. But alcohol kills almost twice as many people as the opioid epidemic. But everyone jumps right to this cocaine boogy man. Totally ignoring the alcohol.
I know the Marlins as a franchise and major league baseball in Miami can’t catch a break, but this is pretty easily the worst thing that’s ever happened to this team. Who knows how much could be different today.
Maybe dismantling the 97 team was the worst thing that happened to them. They got so lucky in 03. But after 97, they could have changed the culture in Miami. Instead, they conditioned the fans for failure with some luck sprinkled in. Miami heat has a good fan base and attendance. I believe marlins would have that too if they didn't dismantle 97 team so blatantly
@@kenw2225 The thing about that is it’s been nearly 30 years. No excuse in existence for 3 decades of complacency. The FO could easily have tried more than they have AND tried harder at any point in that span. The past does not have to define the future, a real and earnest effort can change any failing culture, and they’ve had more than plenty of time to do so.
The real question that needs to be asked here is what led to Jose Fernandez taking these drugs and drinking, all of us in the public eye not knowing he even did so until after he died???
Thank you, Mike. As a lifelong Marlins fan, Jose's death is the single moment in my team's history that I dread the most. Thank you for shedding light on the topic, and speaking Jose's name once more. Rest Easy, Nino
He was 24 with a lot of money and life always bouncing his way in the past 10 years. He felt invincible and paid the price physically and his estate paid monetarily. Does that make it okay? Not especially, no. Should he be lionized? Probably not. Should he be remembered, and remembered accurately for who he was up to and including the incident? Absolutely. Erasure is a very stupid thing to do because it teaches nobody anything. If anything his story should be shared constantly to players of "Be careful because one bad story can turn you from as high as the Cuban messiah to the same man being a forgotten pariah."
I don't think Fernandez should be loved, and I really don't think it's that complex. He killed 2 other people besides himself, and he could have easily killed an innocent bystander given his reckless actions. I know he had an inspiring story up until that point but....that's a pretty unforgivable offense. Imagine if it was your brother in the boat that was killed by Jose that night. Exactly how beloved would you think he should be?
I still cannot believe it. That kid was Special. Jose was just a kid who made the same mistake millions of kids have made. I live in Miami and went to many games Jose pitched. The stadium was Electric on the nights he pitched....and the lights on the franchise went out overnight. Jose was the perfect guy in the perfect city. He was such a likable kid who had once in a generation talent. The Marlins would be fools not to recognize that.
His legacy isn’t marred, he was human and prone to make human mistakes!!! He still was an amazing pitcher and will forever be remembered as such. How about we stop discussing his untimely demise and pay tribute to the passengers that was with him, who also lost their lives!!!
How do we know it was one mistake? It's incredibly tragic that his life ended so soon with a child on the way but who's to say this was the only time he chose to drink, do cocaine and risk his life and anyone who was with him? The sport is poorer without him being in it but in the end he made his choices and he didn't just affect himself but the others on that boat, his child and those that loved him...
I remember when he died, it was sad. Then all that other stuff came out. Sure, he killed two people and himself and was reckless. But does that mean he gets erased? No, but I wouldn't put up a statue of him or retire his number. He was just being a stupid 20-something. I knew someone who died in similar circumstances, though not on a boat.
mets were in the middle of a wild card race where every game mattered, when gordon hit that home run i had a feeling they were losing and i was okay with it
I think it's not just the facts that scared MLB, but the possible connection with large scale cocaine smuggling and trafficking from a near bulletproof kid with tons of connections in Cuba and Latin America. As a Reds fan It was hard NOT to love him even when we got flamed by him. He deserves recognition and celebration, however most of the proceeds should go to the victim's families.
A very similar comparison in career trajectory is Tim Lincecum. Great start and a lot of success. But what if Fernandez got hurt or effectiveness fell off after a few years. Tim is still alive, and maybe Jose would have been great his whole career, but there is no guarantee of that. A statue is a bit overkill, number on plaque would seem appropriate.
A couple of years before Fernández died, another Caribbean ballplayer, the St Louis Cardinals' Oscar Taveras, was killed in a car crash in the Dominican Republic at the age of 22. It was later revealed that his blood alcohol content was six times the legal level according to local laws. A lady who was Taveras' passenger also perished in the accident.
I remember the police claiming to have found beer cans at the scene but not thinking alcohol played a part. Gave everyone a few days to remember him nicely.
It really stinks that HOW Jose died really has changed his legacy for the worst because he deserves to be honored in the way that he should: A jersey retirement and potentially a statue. The way that the Marlins have damn near Chris Benoit'd him is nasty. At the same time, I know others don't feel the same way. They feel he deserves nothing and that he should be villified for how he and his friends day on that fateful night, and they're entitled to that opinion and I can understand said opinion. It's a complex situation and conversation, Mike, like you said.
Um, how do you think we should honor a person who killed himself and 2 others whilst high on coke and drunk? He should have his number retired? Thats ridiculous
He should not be honored at all. The marlins should distance themselves and act as though he never existed. He was drugged put of his mind and drunk while killing people. What part of this should he celebrated? He could throw a ball well? So excuse his murders?
While I agree that he shouldn’t be erased in history, I also understand that he shouldn’t be honoured and revered the way the Gaudreau brothers are right now. The situation did change from a senseless accident to his senseless mistake and he can’t really be remembered as a hero in his communities as a result but it doesn’t mean he can’t be remembered at all.
I was at the 2016 All Star Game sometimes I feel a little bit guilty at times. That I witnessed one of his last few starts. Knowing there was someone who looked up to Jose way more than I did and never got to see him pitch.
It’s a tragedy the young lives that were taken way to early from family I know he was drunk and had coke in his system however he still died and it’s still sad
I think it’s everyone’s option to have a say about his legacy but tbh the best hitter in baseball is Barry bonds but we know how he became the best hitter and home run king ! But we still acknowledge he’s the king of home runs ! Also Michael Vick and we know what he did but we still acknowledge he’s a great player and we look past his dog fight days. Then lastly OJ Simpson one of the greatest football players of all time. We recognize him from what he did on the field and we celebrate that. So where does this man fall in the mix ? He like all of us have made mistakes in our life that can cost of a career but our legacy should not be questioned from our mistakes. Our legacy is what makes others better. If Kobe Bryant was the driver of the plane, would you see him differently if he had drugs or alcohol in his system ??? I bet you wouldn’t !!!! This man is no different. He’s The Legacy of baseball not just a legacy of his career !
Imagine if he was drafted by a team in a landlocked state, with no lakes. Also at one point, the then Marlins GM, David Samson, had him traded to Arizona but the DBacks owner vetoed it. Lots of “sliding doors” moments with him.
A child? No that’s just looking at the way things are and seeing that mentality is completely outdated. Getting in people’s faces because your feelings are hurt is childish
At least he got to be a rockstar for a little while. If he came to the United States and joined the marines and hypothetically died in a war no one would have cared or remembered.
if im a car with 3 other folks getting high on whatever drug im no better than the person driving or just sitting in the car, knowing what the consequences could be and still deciding to stay kinda puts the blame on you as well right?
@@K37-h1z Honestly he probably would have been better off using Derrick Thomas from NFL. It may be more controversial but people tends to forget that DT did got someone aside from himself killed.
I'm dont agree with showing Pete Rose and Barry Bonds when saying there are other ball players "that have committed much more harmful and disgusting acts." I dont condone what those two did, but are gambling and taking performance enhancets "much more harmful" than piloting a boat while high and intoxicated, and having that lead to the of theee people?" Also . . . Far more glamorized? Noone glamorized Pete's gambling. There may be those that have excused it. But I've never heard it glamorized.
Ummm…a bit tough. Also, I have no recollection of any kind of dragging through the mud of his name by the media, and I was still working in sports media at the time, so I was well attuned to it. That said, I agree that he’s no longer mentioned very frequently, and has seemingly been put on the shelf a la Wheezy in Toy Story by baseball, the fans, and the media alike.
I don't remember any negative press for him. I'd say he was protected from the real scorn he should have gotten . He was already gone by that time, but he is being treated exactly like you'd expect for someone who recklessly killed 2 people
Tim Crews piloted a boat drunk ending the lives of himself, Steve Olin and almost ending Bobby Ojeda. The Dodgers wore a patch for Crews the entire season after the accident.
That's what I thought about when MLB and Miami were deciding to cancel any further tributes. It immediately went from missing a member of the family to "we have nothing to do with this" However, I agree with WWE's decision to not mention Benoit. Getting rid of Jose from history is questionable. I believe in telling the full story (like SRS did) and allowing fans to remember him.
I never understood why people blame the fact he was on cociane for the crash. Obviously it was the alcohol. If anything, had he done more cociane it would've probably sobered him up and made him more careful. Oh well, don't drink and do drugs kids
@@StarkRavingSports Didn't know about this. However, comparing crimes to prop up Jose is unnecessary. Calling a DUI a 'mistake' over and over is as American as apple pie.
@@StarkRavingSports As you get older, you'll learn to idolize athletes less and people you should have all along like your parents, who won't get their numbers retired and have statues on public display.
He has paid the ultimate price for making one incredibly stupid decision at the age of 24. I refuse to remember this guy merely by the worst thing he ever did and not also by all the other moments that he had that were so heartwarming. It's a bad bad situation for everyone involved (the other 2 families losses, his girlfiend and son, his community and others) but PLEASE remember how invincible WE ALL felt at 24 and try to have some understanding if not sympathy.
I don’t know if this was ever proven true or false but once the story came out about him driving with cocaine in his system many people thought and possibly also reported that Fernandez was potentially drugged and didn’t knowingly take cocaine
It’s just the way discourse as a whole is, Michael Jackson is either a PDF file or the greatest pop singer in history. The world doesn’t really like grey unfortunately, in terms of mood or opinion. Jose Fernandez won’t be forgotten about by anyone who paid attention to the league when he played, he was simply too dominant. As it should be, he did something stupid 100,000,000%, sometimes your stupid shit comes in line with your status and or bank account, it’s honestly really good most 20 year olds don’t have multi millions, we’d probably have many more Jack Dohertys in the world. Great vid tho
I think the "cancelation" of Fernandez is justified. What he did was terrible and it ultimately costed other peoples lives on top of his. It's a nuanced issue but I think enshrining him would've been irresponsible. Rest in peace to all of those who passed in that tragic accident
I can see why others judge him, but I’ve known a lot of drug users who have made just as dumb, if not worse decisions and continue to walk among us. They don’t get the same judgement as this guy who paid the ultimate price for his worst decisions
It's tough. I 100% agree with you that he needs to be accountable for his actions that lead to his death. I have been a Marlins fan since the beginning and really do want to see his legacy honored as a fan, but also would think it's weird since it wasn't exactly a mistake that lead to his death and the death of two others. It was a serious character flaw. It would be hard for family members as well. I know the announcers will usually speak positively of Jose on occasion, but it's when they're talking about stats. Numbers don't lie.
@@pullt Right, but he didn't kill them because he was a premeditated murderer. He killed them as a side effect of the fame and money at a young age and allowing drugs and alcohol to have too much influence over his life. If Jose were still alive, maybe we would see him try to atone for those mistakes and grow as a person. This person's video was made to argue we shouldn't throw away every good thing a person has done as a result of those truly bad actions.
Here is the thing. I am not ignoring how he died and what we learned afterwards. But, I ran down the list of Pro ball players who died during their careers and only 2 really get mentioned. Thurman Munson and Roberto Clemente. Others who died had also been all stars. So saying the fell out of love with him is a but near sited. People move on. IN hockey right now we are morning the loss of a player who was superstar. My guess is within a few years he will be a trivia quiz answer. That is just how it is sometimes.
What's also so sad is that it fundamentally shifted the entire course of the Marlins franchise. That lineup had Yelich, Ozuna, Stanton and Realmuto. They had a solid bullpen. This was a team on the rise. They blew it up afterward, and haven't really been able to recover since.
I think the marlins as a franchise are finished. His tragic death basically ruined there entire team and fanbase and it’s tragic to see
As a Marlins fan, Derek Jeter raped that team . Yes, rape. No other word to describe it.
Yep. As a Mets fan in the same division as the Marlins, I clearly remember Jose Fernandez's death as the last time they were competitive for the division
ur so weird
Ownership would have blown it up anyway. They did it twice after World Series wins
It is a frustrating situation. I truly believe the Jose before the incident is the real person. Someone filled with life, gratitude and joy. That is someone we all should aspire to be.. but drugs and alcohol literally alter you thoughts and behavior. I don’t believe we should vilify him to the extent of his mistakes. He should be held accountable but not forgotten. He is a story of caution for our future youth.
I was 13 when this happened. I was born and raised in Miami, Florida, and was, and still am, one of the biggest Marlins fans you could find. I had essentially watched Jose trot out every 5 days for a quarter of my life up to that point. His death destroyed me for many years. I was too young to know how to express my grief and trauma, so it materialized as anger and depression. It took so many years to finally let go and accept it. What Jose did was idiotic and horrible, but I remember the times when I met him where he was so kind and thoughtful to a kid who dreamed of being like him. He meant everything to me, and i’ll always remember the good times.
I can tell you’ve never dealt with a meaningful death in your life, like a family or friend 😂😂 your grief and trauma? What from a dude you watched on tv and maybe got a picture with? What a baby, you’re off yourself when one of your parents or something dies
@@corradocampochiiiiiiiill 😂bro
guy got depression from a baseball player dying (he didn’t know u lil bro😂 😂😂😂😂)
@@Shingerrr “he meant everything to me” 😂😂
@@corradocampoHe was 13 relax you got some issues you should work through
I think one thing that should have been more acknowledged out of the Fernandez boat crash, was the fact that MLB drug testing is still a joke. Fernandez had to have been using Cocaine throughout the season, yet none of the drug testing picked it up. It's the same thing with the Tyler Skaggs tragedy.
I'm surprised that the MLB was still Loosey Goosey about these drug rules especially after the steroid era
Hence the Astros and their cheating scandal being thrown out there. It obfuscated the Skaggs tragedy and the press it would have gotten, and prevented the story from capturing the public interest. The drug issues go far beyond just shoddy testing in MLB. Manfred protects the brand above all.
He might have or might not have been using all season or for that matter his whole career idk and I’m sure you don’t either so don’t speculate that part we know he used it on this occasion. I do 100 percent agree the drug testing policy is a joke they need to get the testing done properly or just do away with it all together as far as I’m concerned do it right or don’t do it at all
Cocaine is out of your system for a urinalysis really quickly. You'd have to test like every other day to reliably say someone isn't using.
It shows for 30 days in a hair test if they go that route.
And you may be right on his usage throughout the season, but sometimes it does only take one mistake
Who gives af if he was using cocaine during the season
Showing pics of Bonds & Clemens as 'bad people' who are still remembered is foolish. Using steroids is not nearly the same as KILLING PEOPLE. Even if the deaths weren't premeditated, the decision to use cocaine & get drunk is entirely his fault.
Clemens supposedly groomed an underage girl and Bonds is a known piece of shit with multiple domestic violence allegations dating back to 1995, Rose also had an incidnet with an underage girl. I think the way it was presented in the video was wrong but the narrator was right, they were all bad people.
Yeah, feels like it mighta been better to stick to guys like Pete Rose who admitted to basically grooming a minor.
Whole video‘s misguided. Likability does not affect culpability. All are equal before the law.
They all had cocaine in their system and were drunk. Since he was driving he should be held accountable. And he paid the ultimate price. But pretending the others on the boat were forced and had nothing to do with it is so dumb
Bro making the decision he did cost lives. Comparing that to steroid use? And gambling? This kid has no real life experience
That mid 2010s Marlins team was an up & coming team too. Not only Jose Fernandez leading that pitching staff but Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, Gordon & an old Ichiro on the bench. His death was a blow to that team that could have made noise the next season. & yeah, the ownership would have still dismantled that team later on still.
As a Mets fan I feel his death has basically ended that franchise. They have been terrible since his death and that team was fun to watch when he was there. The crowd doesn’t exist anymore at marlins games and it’s really sad to see because had he lived, baseball would be way different today
@Richardtherat-t2d what are you talking about lol last year attendance had gone up by like 20% i should know i was THERE miami loves baseball and once they finally bring out a championship team they're going to have a similar outcome that the panthers just had....top 10 in attendance and constant sell outs.
"Dude was always happy" Cocaines a hell of a drug.
In my experience, people who are already very extraverted or high energy do the most coke. They can stay energetic and happy without getting tired
Killing 2 guys and yourself while leaving your girlfriend pregnant… Doesn’t deserve to be wiped clean from history? Yes it was a tragedy and he was on his way to being a hall of famer but cmon if I were to do what he did I would he victimized just as much as he has.
No you wouldn’t. People in the spotlight get a lot more scrutiny for this stuff. A guy in my hometown killed someone while drunk driving and he’s walking free and acts like it wasn’t a big deal.
@@WowOafus If that was my family member he killed, he would not be walking.
No offense, you wouldn't be scrutinized the same....because nobody would remember you the same as a professional athlete. Maybe your closest friends or someone in your neighborhood might trash your name, but this was an icon in the area
@@shanaeverowe9626100% agree with you, I feel like that’s pretty obvious based on the news clips he uses; they all focus on Jose and just mention the other 2 in passing because they had no fame or notoriety compared to him.
@@thefox47545 watch out we got a tough guy over here
I can’t help but think about Yordano Ventura everytime I see someone mention Jose Fernandez. Ventura was a similar player and was a young rising star for the royals.
I loved watching him pitch. Loved the energy/confidence he had as a little guy.
I feel like with hindsight we will look at both players similar to Len Bias. Incredibly talented but their deaths leave a major “What If…”
Their stories may be similar, but Yordano Ventura was never close to the pitcher Jose Fernandez was, and got progressively worse each year he was in the league.
@@tillitsdoneyeah and that’s why no one cares about Ventura, yet they care about this loser who caused the death of everyone including himself by being a useless coke head.
Yordano and the guy from st Luis Tavares also
Perfect example of why no one should assume … don’t’ assume to worst and don’t assume the best. But to all those who rushed to say how tragic this “accident” was, just remember that it occurred at 3 AM.
Bartolo grooved Dee Gordon that batting practice fastball. Every pitch was 82 and trying to leave it in the middle. He’s a classy guy and knew it was a moment bigger than him or even baseball.
Fernandez killed two people and himself. While he was under the influence of booger sugar and alcohol. You can't compare that to Bonds, Rose, or Clemens. That is a completely different beast in a league of it's own.
"booger sugar" 🤣😂🤣😂
Great video, but I think it's really unfair to try to say that anything Barry bonds did with PEDs is somehow worse than a guy being killed because he was intoxicated.
Barry Bonds has allegations of domestic violence against him from multiple former partners
@@StarkRavingSports so allegations now are what we judge, and I'm not defending The allegations. But no one solves it him in there and thought that they're all thinking PEDs
@@StarkRavingSports Are allegetioms of domestic violence worse than manslaughter?
@@StarkRavingSportsok, TERFy bigot.
Well ones alledged and 3 ppl died due to Jose's actions. What a fuckin stupid comparison.
I usually agree with you on most topics but comparing Jose Fernandez killing two friends to Barry Bonds using steroids is a weird take tbh.
Not just weird, but flagrantly irresponsible and reprehensible.
@@Johnfisher12345 I'm surprised you could reach the keyboard from your high horse.
He wasn't comparing THEM, he was comparing PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION of them. So many baseball fans memory-holed Fernandez, a kid who made an idiotic, irresponsible, reprehensible mistake. Yet most of these same people idolize someone who intentionally cheated, for years, and was also a scumbag. He's saying he doesn't understand the mindset of hating the one, who is dead and left behind a family, mind you, while whining that the other, who's still alive, well, and f'ing rich, just doesn't get to be in the Hall of Fame. I tend to agree with him.
@@usarms149my guy, Barry Bonds was a HoF’er before steroids we have every right to appreciate that. Fernandez killed himself and two others with his decision making. One of those things is taking lives albeit accidentally and the other is cheating in a kids game they get paid to play. In no way are those things equivalent.
@@darthbauer5153 Barry lost his claim to the Hall the day he made and acted on a conscious decision to break the rules. And again, the content creator is not comparing their actions, he's comparing the "fans'" perception of those actions, and how some are vilified while others are ignored at best, idolized at worst. He's making the very valid point that people's views of morality are skewed based on preference and convenience.
In other words, if you want to make Fernandez the ultimate villain you need to stop crying about Barry not getting a plaque.
If anyone else was driving the boat, Jose has that statue at Marlins Park, and potentially a HOF plaque when his era came up in committee. Instead, he’s a pariah. This is why you stay away from drugs. Period.
So many of the top prospects in this era died at insanely young ages. Yeah, Jose was on drugs. He was as irresponsible as it gets, taking other lives with him. But he had a family and friends and teammates that loved him.
The fact that he had a family makes it worse. When you have a wife and child that you're supposed to be there for, you don't do stupid shit like Jose did to get himself killed. That doesn't mean that it's not sad what happened to him, it just means that it is 100% Jose's fault and we should not feel sad for him, but for his family that he left behind
He’s a useless coke head. Zero sympathy
The narrator must never have lost anyone they love to a drunk/high driver. Calling it a “mistake” is far too trivial, it’s murder.
I don't think it's a controversial opinion that Jose Fernandez was a great pitcher with the Marlins, but he and the other two victims were also the result of the consequences of his actions. He should be remembered for both of those things whether people like it or not. I don't think this narrative of "as time passes by" can or should change any of that. He was in fact intoxicated that resulted in the death of 3 people and that's a crime, whether he would've survived or not.
That's the same for musicians as well. Mac Miller juice world to name a couple everybody was sad that they died but they overdosed juice world overdosed because he was trying to hide the drugs on his plane so he took everything he had on the plane as the cops were about ready to board it. For those who like that genre of music they made decent music but let's not forget the flip side of the coin they were partaking in illegal activities these drugs are illegal for a reason You know the side effects of the drugs you're taking and one of the possible side effects is death but everybody overlooks that part so it downplays the drugs and the habit forming nature of some of these and it's almost like it's glorified in their genres of music. Everybody was sad that they died but they neglect to look at the reason why they died. And everybody wants everybody else to feel bad about it I don't. If you weren't doing the illegal activities you were doing you would still be alive. Same thing could be said for Fernandez. You were partaking in hardcore drugs you put two other people's lives at danger and because of your intoxication you killed not only yourself but two other people. And I guarantee you those two other people had families kids parents wives and you've disrupted the lives of no less than 10 people because of your poor judgment
Both of the other guys were drunk as well though so nobody was really in any shape to drive that boat, I don’t really know what else they could’ve done except call the coast guard maybe or radio for help that they were to intoxicated to drive the boat. But alcohol(mixed with cocaine especially) gives people a false sense of sobriety. But yes it was a terrible tragedy and very sad but I don’t exactly think he should be made a villain like a lot of people think
@@nickgavis0305exactly. People make shitty choices in life and they end in tragedy sometimes. But every single story you hear about him he was the best guy.
@@Techprep23 I mean, one of those is only putting yourself in danger, not the lives of other people. Drugs are not a morally wrong thing to do. It's silly they're illegal, and it's childish to think keeping them illegal is the right thing to do. The law doesn't stop people from doing things, Juice WRLD would still be alive if we didn't have such childish laws and childish minds like yours who think drugs in themselves are bad. Do us all a favor and grow up sometime.
As the daughter of a Cuban exile, and a Mets fan, I was incredibly sad when José died- but I felt no pity for him. I saw how much my father’s family lost to come to the US, and how it affected him for life. He and I both felt disappointed in José for throwing away a chance most Cuban kids will never get. Also, afaik, neither Bonds nor Clemens committed murder. Fernández did, and that puts him in the company of criminals, not heroes.
I’m not defending Jose’s actions but i really hate how people make it out like it was Jose’s entire mission to kill his friends. People make shitty decisions in life and unfortunately you get killed for it sometimes but i still don’t think Jose was a bad person by any means, he was loved by everyone and it sucks that details surrounding his death overshadow the good he did in this world in such a short life.
People that aren’t familiar with Miami or south Florida don’t really understand how something like that could happen. Picture being 20 sonething kid from Cuba, now you have tons of money and fame. Every rich person has a boat and cruises around south beach so you get a massive 40+ foot boat with 700hp and can take all your friends out. One night after a few drinks your friends want to go on a cruise so you all get on and start driving around. You want to show everyone a good time so you open the throttle and plane off. You’ve seen so many other people do this that you’re not worried about it being so dark-it’s the ocean just follow the coast! But other people that do it know the area, know the channel markers and where the jetty’s are. You probably don’t even see it until you’re already hit it and now people are dead
Not excusing it but I understand it tbh it’s very very easy to get yourself killed on a boat. Especially with no experiencing and false confidence from drinking
@@thtswhtshesai6d9 It’s a very sad situation man and I’ve even seen comments from addicts and former addicts who understand him. He wasn’t a bad guy he just made a poor decision and unfortunately got himself and his buddies killed.
The thing that ticks me off the most is how the other families reacted. I completely understand that they were mourning. But those other men willingly got on the boat, and willingly did everything just the same as Jose. Clearly it’s terrible and Jose paid the ultimate price. But they are tarnishing his legacy
“There are other ball players who have committed much more harmful, disgusting, and premeditated acts….”
You proceed to show Rose, Bonds, and Clemens. None of their “harmful, disgusting, or premeditated acts” resulted in the deaths of themselves and or others. I agree. He made a huge mistake and paid the ultimate price. I still remember him fondly. What happened doesn’t remove the short time we got to see him shine as a pitcher. He was incredible. But to compare what he did to a guy who bet on games and a group of should he hall of Famers tarnishing their brand with steroids is nowhere near comparable. We can still hold McGwire and Sosa in the highest regards because their historic home run race saved baseball when it was suffering from the strike 4 years before. We can hold Clemens in the highest regards for his single game strikeout record that still stands, with Wood tying it. You can hate Bonds, but more because he’s an asshole. But I still get chills watching him hit number 756. And the Pete Rose fiasco needs to be done and over with. I’ve not met too many fans who don’t think he should be in the HOF. As a fan of baseball, what happened with Fernandez was a tragedy. Would love to have seen what he would’ve become. But steroids and gambling don’t result in the unintentional deaths of others. Let’s be real. You had me with most of the video. But the end was just a bit wonky my guy.
I hate how we can't talk about Jose without the specter of how he left us
Descanse en paz Jose
Maybe because he was the reason his friends died. You think their families stop thinking about it?
@@maicon_13you think that isn't part of it?get off your moral high horse
To be fair it was the largest impact on his legacy. I hate it too. But it is what it is.
I miss Jose fernandez, but I hate Jose fernandez. That sounds harsh because it's supposed to be harsh.
You just don't do that shit if you have kids. I don't care what you say about addiction, even though it is a disease and a mental illness that does not excuse the blatant stupidity and disregard for human life. I blame Jose for how his own life ended. Nobody else.
Addiction is a devil. But yea, if you have kids and don't ease back on your habit, I don't feel bad for you.
Im not sure who the narrator is claiming did “far worse” than Jose, but there are two people no longer on this earth and a child growing up fatherless. It don’t get more worse than that.
He's an example of "separating art from the artist," so to speak. You can respect him and admire him for his on-field skills. While recognizing the flaws he had as a human being.
Nobody is blaming anyone else. Some opinions needs to be kept to themselves.
Coke addict here.
As somebody who understands the temptation of what he went through, i think it's.. a uniquely human tragedy. I try to put myself in his shoes and i think.. what if i'd had millions of dollars and my /habit/ at 24 years old?
I, predictably, think it's unfair to demonize the guy. Especially since both passengers had been drinking, and one of them was high, too.
He didn't cheat. He didn't play dirty. He was never malicious. He and his friends got wasted and messed up. I bet a good portion of the nasty comments on this video are from people who, themselves, have a DUI or two.
You don't erase a guy for being human. Especially if he wasn't a malicious offender with evil in his heart.
Good video btdubs 🤍
Thank god someone with some sense. Half the people commenting seem like the never even heard the full story, he was a great person and a great player. Him and his friends were out drinking and having fun on the boat one night and a tragic accident happened plain and simple, I don’t understand why people are trying to vilify him so much
Extremely well said, i hope you can overcome ur addiction and get the help you need i wish you luck brotha.
You said everything that needed to be said. Good luck with your own battle.
I could not agree more. When I think back to all the times I could’ve suffered the same fate because of poor decision making at a time in my life when poor decisions were all too common, it’s easy to understand and have sympathy and compassion. All too often though, it seems like we enjoy the fall from grace more than the rise in this country, especially where sports stars are concerned. It’s a truly sad characteristic of our country and its media.
It was a sad day for sure. It was a tragedy all the way around. He was an awesome pitcher who took the league by storm with a great back story. He made a really bad decision that proved to cost the ultimate price. Yes he was driving the boat and got the others on board killed, but they also decided to get on the boat with him and also had a hand in getting themselves killed. RIP José
The fact that Jose was drunk and high on cocaine when he crashed and died is the most MIAMI way to go out.
As a pediatrician, I think based on the information provided, Mr. Fernandez was a victim (as many adolescent and late adolescent individuals are), of a not yet fully developed frontal lobe which led him to take risks that perhaps he would not have taken if he was more mature. Driving a motorboat at 65 mph at night is not easy even if you are not impaired. After all he had been through, perhaps he thought (as many with adolescent thought patterns do), he was 10 feet tall and bulletproof. I didn’t know him personally so I have no way of knowing for sure. But his death, and the death of his passengers, was nonetheless tragic. I think he should be remembered for what he accomplished, but the remembrance should also allude to what can happen if one makes poor decisions and should be part of every mlb team’s life skills training for their minor league and younger mlb players. This incident is an eerie reminder of a similar incident years before that claimed the lives of Cleveland pitcher Steve Olin and others that occurred during spring training.
It’s hard for me to feel too bad for a man who was intoxicated and operating a boat when he really shouldn’t have. He killed 2 of his friends, he left behind a pregnant wife. People don’t realize that if he survived this he likely would’ve been serving a lengthy jail sentence for manslaughter. With that said, it truly is a tragedy that such a sparkling star engaged in such an idiotic act. Please be smart with the decisions you guys make.
I don't get in a boat unless I have a coca driver, or I'm driving as the coca man
His Friends choose to get on the boat and do Coke. They're just as responsible
Its a massive mental issue. This just illustrates how non addicts feel about addicts. Personally, I think it is totally unfair to judge something you cannot completely understand. At 25 you could not tell me shit. I paid a price and am lucky to be alive. Its still hard. Addiction wants to take everything from you. No matter what is at stake. It makes no sense. Even to addicts. The situation sucks. Wish he had the chance to do his time and redeem himself.
Miss Jose. His turn in the rotation was that Sunday afternoon and he probably wouldn't have been out Saturday night but the Marlins pushed his start back to Monday for the extra 10,000 fans he brought to each start instead of losing that competing against a Dolphins home game.
Having coached baseball for years and been a lifetime fan Jose Fernandez still goes down as my favorite pitcher of all time to watch. Simply amazing talent and his personality just made every start fun to watch and be part of which can’t be said for basically any pitcher. His death was absolutely a tragedy and was one of the few celebrity deaths to hurt me personally.
His friends choose to get in the boat and do cole. They're just as responsible
When he saved his mom he didn't even know it was her. He saw someone go overboard and jumped in to save her and didn't know until after they were back in the boat it was his mom
Ok? Does that discredit him? It was a fucking tropical storm out there and he saw someone fall overboard, he risked his life for someone he didn’t even know… if anything that makes him a greater human being.
@Struzzzmann exactly my point. Not knowing who it was just seeing someone in need and risking his life to later find out it was his own mother is incredible and to do it at such a young age. I always was and will always be a huge fan of his.
@@danielray9916 Amen.
Loved this coverage on a complicated story. Great video overall. It's a story that definitely deserved to be told, but highlighting "much more harmful, disgusting, and premeditated acts" as gambling and steroid use, we need to take a step back. Neither of those 2 men are glorified or honored in most cases. Both kept out of the Hall. Most importantly, they didn't end the lives of others or themselves. It just felt like a careless opinionated agenda at the end of an otherwise good video.
First diamond I ever pulled in MLB the show was Jose Fernandez. A memory I will always have
classy move for Bartolo to throw that meatball
I agree with the conclusion. I think Jose should be celebrated for the beacon of light he was but should also serve as a cautionary tale.
I was lucky enough to see Jose pitch in person. He was by far my favorite player in the league and to this day the only celebrity death I truly cried over.
You cried over a murderer.. that’s downright evil.
@@Johnfisher12345 that was before all the details came out, dickhead
@@Johnfisher12345 Look up "murder" in a dictionary, because you obviously don't know what it means. At worst he was guilty of manslaughter. There is a distinct difference.
@@Johnfisher12345 likely months before the general public - or anyone for that matter - knew that it was the case. Judgy much?
Remember, drugs can literally ruin your life and those around you. Drugs took this man, don’t let his mistake become yours.
I hope the drug you are referring to is alcohol.
@nicholasvallas9802 no dumbass he's talking about cocaine. Worse than alcohol
@nicholasvallas9802 no why should alcohol take any blame it's legal and encouraged
@moonswan7587 And incredibly damaging! Drunk driving deaths, domestic violence fueled by alcohol, OD's, etc. Alcohol is FAR from innocent, no matter how legal and encouraged it is.
@@moonswan7587 seriously. I feel like I live in a fantasy world. I’m by no means advocating for cocaine. But alcohol kills almost twice as many people as the opioid epidemic. But everyone jumps right to this cocaine boogy man. Totally ignoring the alcohol.
I know the Marlins as a franchise and major league baseball in Miami can’t catch a break, but this is pretty easily the worst thing that’s ever happened to this team. Who knows how much could be different today.
Maybe dismantling the 97 team was the worst thing that happened to them. They got so lucky in 03. But after 97, they could have changed the culture in Miami. Instead, they conditioned the fans for failure with some luck sprinkled in. Miami heat has a good fan base and attendance. I believe marlins would have that too if they didn't dismantle 97 team so blatantly
@@kenw2225 Heck, Miami even finally remembered the Panthers exist (winning the Cup didn't hurt).
@@kenw2225 The thing about that is it’s been nearly 30 years. No excuse in existence for 3 decades of complacency. The FO could easily have tried more than they have AND tried harder at any point in that span. The past does not have to define the future, a real and earnest effort can change any failing culture, and they’ve had more than plenty of time to do so.
The Marlins won 2 WorldSeries,more than many franchises!
The real question that needs to be asked here is what led to Jose Fernandez taking these drugs and drinking, all of us in the public eye not knowing he even did so until after he died???
Thank you, Mike. As a lifelong Marlins fan, Jose's death is the single moment in my team's history that I dread the most. Thank you for shedding light on the topic, and speaking Jose's name once more. Rest Easy, Nino
I loved Jose and his incredible talents but Bonds. Clemens. Rose didn’t kill innocent ppl. There’s a big difference.
Rose did commit statuatory rape so let's not act like his wrongdoings were solely about gambling
@@Bipolar.Baddienever a court case though
@@hunterwade9030 and 90% of the users in the steroid era never tested positive
The timing of the strikeout with the snare at 3:13 was quite nice.
He was 24 with a lot of money and life always bouncing his way in the past 10 years. He felt invincible and paid the price physically and his estate paid monetarily. Does that make it okay? Not especially, no. Should he be lionized? Probably not. Should he be remembered, and remembered accurately for who he was up to and including the incident? Absolutely.
Erasure is a very stupid thing to do because it teaches nobody anything. If anything his story should be shared constantly to players of "Be careful because one bad story can turn you from as high as the Cuban messiah to the same man being a forgotten pariah."
I don't think Fernandez should be loved, and I really don't think it's that complex. He killed 2 other people besides himself, and he could have easily killed an innocent bystander given his reckless actions. I know he had an inspiring story up until that point but....that's a pretty unforgivable offense. Imagine if it was your brother in the boat that was killed by Jose that night. Exactly how beloved would you think he should be?
Yankees just won alcs and then this video drops. Now I'm emotional again. I remember the news and thought it was a nightmare. It was sad
How are you seriously comparing pete rose or barry bonds to literal vehicular manslaughter?
rose was a pdf file
Is rose a jewish last name? If so, I believe you
Pretty sure it would have been 3rd degree murder since Florida prosecutes for that.
@@kenw2225Oh, nice, anti-semitism. I'm so glad we normalized this.
@@hankglidden1463first off Ross was never proven. Second off free speech
R.I.P JOSE FERNANDEZ 🪦😭
R.I.P JOSE FERNANDEZ 🪦😭
I still cannot believe it. That kid was Special. Jose was just a kid who made the same mistake millions of kids have made.
I live in Miami and went to many games Jose pitched. The stadium was Electric on the nights he pitched....and the lights on the franchise went out overnight.
Jose was the perfect guy in the perfect city. He was such a likable kid who had once in a generation talent. The Marlins would be fools not to recognize that.
His legacy isn’t marred, he was human and prone to make human mistakes!!! He still was an amazing pitcher and will forever be remembered as such. How about we stop discussing his untimely demise and pay tribute to the passengers that was with him, who also lost their lives!!!
Gone forever, Jose Fernandez! 🪦 RIP 🪦
How do we know it was one mistake? It's incredibly tragic that his life ended so soon with a child on the way but who's to say this was the only time he chose to drink, do cocaine and risk his life and anyone who was with him? The sport is poorer without him being in it but in the end he made his choices and he didn't just affect himself but the others on that boat, his child and those that loved him...
I remember when he died, it was sad. Then all that other stuff came out. Sure, he killed two people and himself and was reckless. But does that mean he gets erased? No, but I wouldn't put up a statue of him or retire his number. He was just being a stupid 20-something. I knew someone who died in similar circumstances, though not on a boat.
mets were in the middle of a wild card race where every game mattered, when gordon hit that home run i had a feeling they were losing and i was okay with it
I think it's not just the facts that scared MLB, but the possible connection with large scale cocaine smuggling and trafficking from a near bulletproof kid with tons of connections in Cuba and Latin America. As a Reds fan It was hard NOT to love him even when we got flamed by him. He deserves recognition and celebration, however most of the proceeds should go to the victim's families.
A very similar comparison in career trajectory is Tim Lincecum. Great start and a lot of success. But what if Fernandez got hurt or effectiveness fell off after a few years. Tim is still alive, and maybe Jose would have been great his whole career, but there is no guarantee of that. A statue is a bit overkill, number on plaque would seem appropriate.
A couple of years before Fernández died, another Caribbean ballplayer, the St Louis Cardinals' Oscar Taveras, was killed in a car crash in the Dominican Republic at the age of 22. It was later revealed that his blood alcohol content was six times the legal level according to local laws. A lady who was Taveras' passenger also perished in the accident.
I remember the police claiming to have found beer cans at the scene but not thinking alcohol played a part. Gave everyone a few days to remember him nicely.
I remember him. He used to pitch well against my Mets. Tragic end to his life.
It really stinks that HOW Jose died really has changed his legacy for the worst because he deserves to be honored in the way that he should: A jersey retirement and potentially a statue. The way that the Marlins have damn near Chris Benoit'd him is nasty.
At the same time, I know others don't feel the same way. They feel he deserves nothing and that he should be villified for how he and his friends day on that fateful night, and they're entitled to that opinion and I can understand said opinion. It's a complex situation and conversation, Mike, like you said.
Just feels wrong.
Um, how do you think we should honor a person who killed himself and 2 others whilst high on coke and drunk? He should have his number retired? Thats ridiculous
@@K37-h1z You act like he wanted to do it...
He should not be honored at all. The marlins should distance themselves and act as though he never existed. He was drugged put of his mind and drunk while killing people. What part of this should he celebrated? He could throw a ball well? So excuse his murders?
@@chrisg334 Murders? You act like this man was a serial killer.
While I agree that he shouldn’t be erased in history, I also understand that he shouldn’t be honoured and revered the way the Gaudreau brothers are right now. The situation did change from a senseless accident to his senseless mistake and he can’t really be remembered as a hero in his communities as a result but it doesn’t mean he can’t be remembered at all.
I was at the 2016 All Star Game sometimes I feel a little bit guilty at times. That I witnessed one of his last few starts. Knowing there was someone who looked up to Jose way more than I did and never got to see him pitch.
It’s a tragedy the young lives that were taken way to early from family
I know he was drunk and had coke in his system however he still died and it’s still sad
I think it’s everyone’s option to have a say about his legacy but tbh the best hitter in baseball is Barry bonds but we know how he became the best hitter and home run king ! But we still acknowledge he’s the king of home runs ! Also Michael Vick and we know what he did but we still acknowledge he’s a great player and we look past his dog fight days. Then lastly OJ Simpson one of the greatest football players of all time. We recognize him from what he did on the field and we celebrate that. So where does this man fall in the mix ? He like all of us have made mistakes in our life that can cost of a career but our legacy should not be questioned from our mistakes. Our legacy is what makes others better. If Kobe Bryant was the driver of the plane, would you see him differently if he had drugs or alcohol in his system ??? I bet you wouldn’t !!!! This man is no different. He’s The Legacy of baseball not just a legacy of his career !
Imagine if he was drafted by a team in a landlocked state, with no lakes.
Also at one point, the then Marlins GM, David Samson, had him traded to Arizona but the DBacks owner vetoed it. Lots of “sliding doors” moments with him.
He still could have gone to a beach or lake during the off season.Problems,addictions follow people,they have to be dealt with!
Love the buried round change music
Miami owns its growth to the cocaine trade. How sad, tragic & poetic that Jose killed himself while high on it.
If you think manslaughter and an allegation of anything are on the same level, you need to go back to kindergarten and start over young man
Man I can’t stand people like Brian McCann and the fun police. That clip of him getting in Jose’s face after a home run just pissed me off
Because you are a child
A child? No that’s just looking at the way things are and seeing that mentality is completely outdated. Getting in people’s faces because your feelings are hurt is childish
@ it’s what 10 years ago. Jose was just lucky he was not playing a physical sport
At least he got to be a rockstar for a little while. If he came to the United States and joined the marines and hypothetically died in a war no one would have cared or remembered.
Crazy one bad decision can erase everything positive you ever did. So hard to build so easy to destroy.
I don’t watch baseball AT ALL. Just videos like yours. But this broke my heart
Bonds never killed 2 guys...
they all failed eachother as humans and friends, get your head out of your ass, you act like those 2 werent there because they wanted to be there
if im a car with 3 other folks getting high on whatever drug im no better than the person driving or just sitting in the car, knowing what the consequences could be and still deciding to stay kinda puts the blame on you as well right?
That's what made it worse.
Exactly the comparisons to bonds or Pete rose is idiotic.
@@K37-h1z Honestly he probably would have been better off using Derrick Thomas from NFL. It may be more controversial but people tends to forget that DT did got someone aside from himself killed.
4:43 I don’t know how people didn’t realize he had a drug problem when this went viral
I'm dont agree with showing Pete Rose and Barry Bonds when saying there are other ball players "that have committed much more harmful and disgusting acts."
I dont condone what those two did, but are gambling and taking performance enhancets "much more harmful" than piloting a boat while high and intoxicated, and having that lead to the of theee people?"
Also . . . Far more glamorized? Noone glamorized Pete's gambling. There may be those that have excused it. But I've never heard it glamorized.
Ummm…a bit tough. Also, I have no recollection of any kind of dragging through the mud of his name by the media, and I was still working in sports media at the time, so I was well attuned to it. That said, I agree that he’s no longer mentioned very frequently, and has seemingly been put on the shelf a la Wheezy in Toy Story by baseball, the fans, and the media alike.
I don't remember any negative press for him. I'd say he was protected from the real scorn he should have gotten . He was already gone by that time, but he is being treated exactly like you'd expect for someone who recklessly killed 2 people
Definitely a what if situation. Hopefully Giancarlo wins WS this season. Sad times.
Tim Crews piloted a boat drunk ending the lives of himself, Steve Olin and almost ending Bobby Ojeda. The Dodgers wore a patch for Crews the entire season after the accident.
WWE fans lived through this with Chris Benoit’s death and its surreal how WWE all but erased him from their history
That's what I thought about when MLB and Miami were deciding to cancel any further tributes. It immediately went from missing a member of the family to "we have nothing to do with this"
However, I agree with WWE's decision to not mention Benoit. Getting rid of Jose from history is questionable. I believe in telling the full story (like SRS did) and allowing fans to remember him.
I never understood why people blame the fact he was on cociane for the crash. Obviously it was the alcohol. If anything, had he done more cociane it would've probably sobered him up and made him more careful. Oh well, don't drink and do drugs kids
Dislike the insertion of the Pete Rose graphic, Pete never wasted his potential and kill his friends and leave a wife and newborn baby in the process.
"Pete Rose 16" into Google
@@StarkRavingSportsyeah surely he must not know right?
Yeah that's fkn ignorant asf .. what tf is he talking about .. Bonds as well .. HUH??
@@StarkRavingSports Didn't know about this. However, comparing crimes to prop up Jose is unnecessary. Calling a DUI a 'mistake' over and over is as American as apple pie.
@@StarkRavingSports As you get older, you'll learn to idolize athletes less and people you should have all along like your parents, who won't get their numbers retired and have statues on public display.
He has paid the ultimate price for making one incredibly stupid decision at the age of 24. I refuse to remember this guy merely by the worst thing he ever did and not also by all the other moments that he had that were so heartwarming. It's a bad bad situation for everyone involved (the other 2 families losses, his girlfiend and son, his community and others) but PLEASE remember how invincible WE ALL felt at 24 and try to have some understanding if not sympathy.
I still love the guy sad story but knowing people who personally knew him it's hard not to love him
I still wear his jersey to this day.
Say what you will about Fernandez but that Dee Gordon homer makes me tear up everytime. Bartolo didn't even turn around.
He’s always my favorite. I still wear a jersey T of his 🩶 RIP
I don’t know if this was ever proven true or false but once the story came out about him driving with cocaine in his system many people thought and possibly also reported that Fernandez was potentially drugged and didn’t knowingly take cocaine
He was drunk though.
Is that music from Buried in the back?
Background music sounds like rounds changing in the Zombies map Buried in Black Ops II.
Ozuna was a last minute call out for that boat ride
It’s just the way discourse as a whole is, Michael Jackson is either a PDF file or the greatest pop singer in history. The world doesn’t really like grey unfortunately, in terms of mood or opinion. Jose Fernandez won’t be forgotten about by anyone who paid attention to the league when he played, he was simply too dominant. As it should be, he did something stupid 100,000,000%, sometimes your stupid shit comes in line with your status and or bank account, it’s honestly really good most 20 year olds don’t have multi millions, we’d probably have many more Jack Dohertys in the world. Great vid tho
I think the "cancelation" of Fernandez is justified. What he did was terrible and it ultimately costed other peoples lives on top of his. It's a nuanced issue but I think enshrining him would've been irresponsible. Rest in peace to all of those who passed in that tragic accident
I can see why others judge him, but I’ve known a lot of drug users who have made just as dumb, if not worse decisions and continue to walk among us. They don’t get the same judgement as this guy who paid the ultimate price for his worst decisions
He'd still be alive if he stayed home
It's tough. I 100% agree with you that he needs to be accountable for his actions that lead to his death. I have been a Marlins fan since the beginning and really do want to see his legacy honored as a fan, but also would think it's weird since it wasn't exactly a mistake that lead to his death and the death of two others. It was a serious character flaw. It would be hard for family members as well. I know the announcers will usually speak positively of Jose on occasion, but it's when they're talking about stats. Numbers don't lie.
Serious character flaw? He wasn't closed-minded, greedy or conniving. He killed two people.
@@pullt Right, but he didn't kill them because he was a premeditated murderer. He killed them as a side effect of the fame and money at a young age and allowing drugs and alcohol to have too much influence over his life.
If Jose were still alive, maybe we would see him try to atone for those mistakes and grow as a person. This person's video was made to argue we shouldn't throw away every good thing a person has done as a result of those truly bad actions.
Here is the thing. I am not ignoring how he died and what we learned afterwards. But, I ran down the list of Pro ball players who died during their careers and only 2 really get mentioned. Thurman Munson and Roberto Clemente. Others who died had also been all stars. So saying the fell out of love with him is a but near sited. People move on. IN hockey right now we are morning the loss of a player who was superstar. My guess is within a few years he will be a trivia quiz answer. That is just how it is sometimes.
What is with the pants? Seeing a pitcher in those baggie pants looks crazy.
Imagine Brian McCann in today's game after what was a pretty tame pimp job
Amazing video man