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I have a neighbor who is a retired American League umpire. He is the most calm guy I know. Perfect temperament for an umpire. When I mentioned Roger Clemens he went crazy. He said he was the biggest prima Donna . He said he argued every ball and strike. Every umpire just held their breath every time he pitched
As a professional chauffeur in Houston, Texas from 2001-2006, I was assigned to provide transportation to Houston Astros pitcher Roger Clemons, his wife, 2 teen sons, and his mother. Over a two year period I probably had 10-12 trips with one or all of them. All five of them were unreasonable, entitled jackasses who treated me like a door mat and didn't treat each other much better! Clemons usually tipped me but I would rather have never met the jerk or his rotten family. SMH...
Speaking of meeting Houston professional athletes, I got to meet Yao Ming at the Rockets facility and couldn't believe what I watched. He was alone in one of the courts with two ballboys. He would shoot 100 shots from the 3pt line on the far right, then shoot a hundred more from 10 other locations on the 3pt line. Then he moved in 8ft and did it all over again, 100, 100,100,100,100 etc and then he would move 5ft closer and same thing, he would shoot 100 balls from 10 other locations, then he would get to the free throw line and shoot 100, and then he went right back to the far right 3pt line and start over. It was my last job that day (delivered Precor fitness equipment while in college and right out of the Marines) so we stayed and watched(with permission) and it was around 9pm on a Friday night when he finished. We watched for 5hrs. He came over to shake our hand and give autographs. His fingers touched my elbow pit when we shook hands and he was sooooo tall compared to me at 5ft 8in. He was super cool and said he does the shooting routine every day and even on game days if he is able. I kinda pictured Clemens being a jerk and sorry that he was and his family as well. I met Nolan Ryan at the airport. He was alone with a 10gallon hat flying southwest airlines out of Hobby Airport. He gave us an autograph and talked for awhile. I actually lived in Alvin Tx which is where he was from. Well he was born in Refugio TX which is a small town down 35south but he grew up in Alvin. We even have a big sign "hometown of Lynn Nolan Ryan" and his first name is Lynn which alot of people don't know. He was super chill and intimidating but once you shook hands he was such a cowboy and plus he had millions but there he was flying cheap southwest airlines. He said he was going to o Oklahoma to do something with a minor league team. He asked where I was going and I said "ugh I'm goin to Camp Pendleton California" and he went "I knew you had to be a Marine!" Which was really awesome and he said the haircut and my walk gave it away. We felt kinda bad because once people realized it was Nolan Ryan that we were talking to, then a bunch of people lined up but he signed every single thing from probably 50 people then had to rush to the airplane as it was close to leaving. He turned and yelled "good luck back at Pendleton Young Marine" and nodded his cowboy hat. Glad my two meetings went well
Some people stay grounded with fame and fortune, as for Clemens it turned him into a self centered asshole, it was all about him and reading your post it trickled down to his family also
Your job was to drive for money and tips, not to be part of the family. Is he supposed to become friends with every loser taxi driver that drove him? Like who do you think you are? Just drive the car and stfu.
This is a fantastic video. It dives deep into the side of Roger Clemens that the media often hesitates to cover. Clemens was a hero to so many kids, and after his darker side was revealed, it feels like the media went silent, waiting for it to be forgotten. Truly an excellent video.
This leaves out Clemens having an affair with an underaged country singer, who would later commit suicide. The worst things he did in baseball are nothing next to that. He is a terrible person.
No, he left out an ALLEGED media-driven story that even McCready herself denies, and her suicide had nothing to do with Clemens. YOU are a terrible person for attempting to smear someone over something that has already been disproven and debunked. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I remember when Clemens and Petite brought their egos to Houston. They were going to win a World Series. They didn't, and poof, they were gone. Clemens was a juicer and, like the rest of them, refused to admit it.
Perfectly stared . Boston resident before and during the whole Clemens era. I couldn’t wait for him to leave Town. Prima Donna p$ssy .. liked to intimidate more than he liked to pitch. Coward disguised as tough guy. Cheater . I’ll never forget the head hunting pitch on Piazza and then the thrown broken bat. I pray he doesn’t get in to the Hall. The irony is that he would have been a show in with his numbers before he started juicing. And spare me the bs about “everyone was doing it “. False. And it doesn’t matter how many players were using during that time.. it still corrupted the game and diminished the accomplishments of those who came before them. $ Greed. People who weren’t grateful for what they had been given.. they had to have more . More $$, more Fame. Shame on them all and especially those who were the Stars of the Era.
“ROJAH CLEMENS IS IN GEOHGES’S BOX!!!” Being shouted by Suzyn Waldman is such a classic bit of audio. As a former sports talk radio addict, I think I heard that audio sample no less than 5000 times.
I am sure she shouted even more after his 2007 season 99-inning, 6 wins, 6 losses performance. The Yankees paid Clemens 28 million dollars for that, or $282,828.00 per inning. The Yankees should have renamed their "YES" channel "NO" when he pitched.
OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS! Seriously, it's a classic. I remember listening to Boomer & Carton go off on it that next morning in my dad's truck riding to school 😂
He wasn’t throwing it at him. He just chucked it and all that happened. It was a knee-jerk reaction. All you people who make fun of him for saying I thought it was the ball” have either never played or are just plain ignorant. Piazza swung and the chunk of the bat came flying towards him so he reacted. Obviously before he threw it he knew it was the bat but he just tossed it out of frustration.
@blacjackdaniels200 This!! These idiots who criticize him for it have obviously never played baseball, or probably any fast-paced sport. Things happen FAST on the mound. But these idiots talk as though they have a clue.
@@Johnfisher12345 exactly! Line drives right back at you when you’re pitching a scary as shit. You don’t have but a millisecond to react, and God only knows what that’s like when you were throwing the ball 98 mph and somebody is hitting it back at you just as fast or faster. Clemens did nothing wrong in that encounter. He probably got frustrated after the bat came at him like that and he just picked it up and tossed to the side like fuck this shit. He didn’t look up there Mike Piazza let me throw this piece of wood at him. It’s astonishing. The fact that Tim McCarver, who knows more baseball than anyone, was saying that Clemens was wrong. Just made it worse because that’s everybody’s biggest argument. But people forget Tim McArver is more of a Mets guy than the Yankees guy that’s for sure
@@blacjackdaniels200he threw it due to roid rage. He also beamed Piazza in the head with his hardest pitch because he couldn’t get him out. Don’t defend him. It’s a bad look for you.
@@blacjackdaniels200yeah? Name someone else who threw a broken bat immediately out of rage for no reason? He was roided out and angry that the batter owned him and that he hadn’t killed him with the pitch. No remorse. No apology. No explanation. Just a cheater who revealed the monster within.
Piazza was not pure muscle either, and still got in the hall. BAgwell definitely was not pure muscle. There were even non homerun hitters who clearly were on roids as well such as Gabe Kapler. I don't think casual fans understand just how widespread steroid usage was in baseball during the late 90s and early to mid 2000s. It wasn't just major league baseball players, but countless players in double AA were on the juice as well. This is why ex comissioner of MLB, Bud Selig, should go down in shame.
@robertsmith2088 I agree. People just forget how little fans and media (everyone really) gave a crap about steroids back then. For example, back in the 1990s.. everyone knew Canseco was on steroids, but no one ever said he was a "disgrace" or that his numbers don't count, etc etc. His reputation wasn't at all damaged by that knowledge.
I used to be a Red Sox fan through the 70s and 80s but when they let Fisk, Burreson and Lynn go in 1980, something changed. I began following those 80s Red Sox players and rooted for them wherever they went. I’ll always be a Roger Clemens fan, and the same goes for Wade Boggs, Dwight Evans, Carl Yastrzemski, Bill Lee, Luis Tiant, and all those other guys that eventually wound up with other teams.
You speak for me as well. Bill Lee would be seen quite differently if those three straight 17 win seasons and his Expo season broke through to 20 wins. Yaz is still with us. I hope Boston gives him one last tribute...
roger was a 500 pitcher his last few seasons in boston, going 40 -- 39 over four years. he was so fat he made me look skinny and i hadn't exercised in years. when rog signed his last contract with the red sox, he was baseball's highest paid player, but in a few months things changed and several other players signed bigger contracts. rog demanded to renegotiate a contract only a few months old and the sox said no. so, rog went on an eating spree and i'm gonna hold my breath til you give me more money tantrum. he tanked his last four years in boston, effectively ripping off the fans who paid for a star pitcher but got a fat and arrogant prick who couldn't see his shoes. after he left boston, he showed up in toronto ripped and frothing at the mouth, winning two consecutive cy young awards. it is one of the few instances of true justice in the world that rog couldn't get into the baseball HOF. more than half of his big stats were drug induced.
@@Mike___Honcho Dude, you nailed it! Dan Duquette was the GM for the Red Sox at the time and he was the one behind not giving Clemens a contract and let him walk via free agency, a lot of people , mostly fans criticized him for doing so, I and I'm sure you among some others were on Duquette's side because Clemens let himself go, he was just a shadow of himself those 4 year's in Boston, his record speaks for itself. Dan was an outstanding GM, he brought players like Garciapara, Varitek, Pedro Martinez, Wakefield, Damon, Lowe to name a few, he actually laid the groundwork for us to win our first world series in almost a hundred year's and then the new owner's John Henry and Co. when they had bought the team fired him, those assholes, and most people gave those pricks the credit for winning our first world series in such a long time when in fact it was Dan Duquette
i witnessed Clemens give up back to back HRs to RobDeer and Pete Incaviglia at Fenway vs Tigers circa 1989 ish. The next batter, little John Shelby , got plunked in the ear by Clemens next pitch, resulting in bench clearing brawl. A legit A-hole.
I was at the game when he announced his final comeback to the Yankees, the stadium was absolutely electric. Coincidentally, I also had tickets to a game vs the Pirates later in the season. Turned out to be Clemens' first game back. Pitched 6 innings, 6ks and got the win.
"Rooahhhhjaaa Clemmmins is back Oh MY GAAAWWWDDDD Rojja Cwemens" Susyn Waldman single handedly set Women's broadcasters back an entire decade with that horror show. Best part is her producers are in her earpiece telling her to tone it down and she just can't help herself
Then Doris Burke set us women back, another century, with her dreadful NBA Finals announcing. Even though, as a woman, myself, I don't think we need to have to stick our noses in men's sports, just to make some ridiculous point. Nothing kills a great baseball game, in person, like a female public address announcer. I went to a SF Giants game several years ago, and that woman PA announcer was utterly horrible. Not exactly Bob Sheppard, was she?
His first appearance was in relief at Oakland I know I was there saw him warm up and I've seen a lot of pictures but I've never seen anybody throw that hard
As a kid in the 90’s I went to tons of ball games and loved to wait for autographs after the games..I remember Clemens almost always signing,and when he didn’t, he was always cool with the fans,respectful,joking and really was a good dude.Even when he didn’t have to be..I’ll always have Rocket’s back
I have no problem with your support as a fan of his, however your support of him is based on emotion and the way he treated you Great. However that ignores the fact he was a cheater that damaged the reputation and integrity of the game. No one player or team is more important than the sport itself.
You should have have pumped your brakes before you made a comment that would only make sense if Clemens hadn't achieved greatness. And acceleration will always be more necessary for winning races.
If he listened to that advice he would’ve retired after Dan Duquette said he was washed up. Yet he went on to win 4 more cy young awards, join the 300 win and 4000k club and win 2 World Series rings.
I met Roger at the Tustin Ranch Golf Club in Orange County, CA. It was 1990. He was with catcher Rich Gedman. Clemens was a complete a$$hole. Gedman apologized to me for Clemens’ reprehensible behavior.
@@MeneTekelUpharsin Clemens hands down. Shilling made comments after retiring from the game and deserves to be in the HOF. His career was great. What he said after baseball should not keep him out of the Hall.
Lazy video. I agree with some comments. How can you NOT talk about Mindy McCready. It’s FACT. Not rumor. 15 years old and outside of her Mother, he was arguably the second most closest person to her and responsible for her spiral. Everyone in Ft Myers knew this.
Really good video! Just want to point out though that the Dan Duquette "twilight of his career" quote is misquoted. The full statement is that he "hoped to keep him in Boston during the twilight of his career", not necessarily that he was already in it. But I don't blame you for quoting it incorrectly because almost EVERYBODY did, including (if not especially) Red Sox fans.
But at that point a lot of Sox fans would have agreed he was in the downslope of his career even if a second 20 strikeout game and good season stats belied it. He was out of shape, unhappy, and getting hit hard. Plus Duquette offered him a lot of money to stay.
Here's a list of other great pitchers having elite years at a later age. Randy Johnson, age 37 and 38. Cy Young in each year. Two best yrs. Curt Schilling, age 35, 34 and 37. (CY runner up all 3 yrs) John Smoltz age 39, 40 Justin Verlander, Cy Young age 36 and 39. Steve Carlton, age 37 Nolan Ryan, age 41, 42, 39 There's literally nothing odd or suspicious about Roger Clemens having a career year at 34 and another great one at 35 up in Toronto.Nothing at all.
Randy actually finished second to Clemens in 2004. They were 42 and 41, respectively. Gaylord Perry won one at age 40 too. The video jumps to conclusions for sure. I'm not sure Clemens actually took PED's. He was acquitted even with his trainer's allegations, unlike Bonds.
@stevendeckert6373 Clemens took PEDs in the years his accusers specified he did. Which is the second halves of 99, 2000 and 2001. Yet all these idiots in the media just speculate/lie and add like another 7 seasons to the accusation bc using PEDs for a mere 3 half seasons is kind of a nothing burger when you're talking about a 24 yr career. There's no evidence of use before that time, and McNamee never mentioned a word about him using after that time... ie 2003 or in Houston from 2004 to 2006. Not a word. The reason being, the last 5 years of his career were in the testing era! Clemens did not fail any of the tests. Not the survey test in 2003, nor none of the offical tests in 2004, 2005, 2006, or 07......because, Clemens, like the vast majority of players then understood the party was over by 2003. So he stopped when the MLB finally instituted testing and the "steroid scandal" among media and fans began. Once it was clear to him that using PEDs was a major risk, (testing, fan/media anger, reputation/legacy destruction) he didn't use them anymore. It's pretty simple, common sense. That was the case for most of these guys. Once 2003/4 rolled around, they all knew the party was over, and acted accordingly. (There were some exceptions, but for the most part, the steroid era was over.)
@stevendeckert6373 Randy actually deserved to win the Cy over Clemens in 2004. But Roger deserved it the next year in 2005 when he posted a 1.87 ERA, and also led NL pitchers in FIP and WAR. Problem was, writers were still in love with W-L record back then, unlike today where W-L is at most, of secondary importance to writers/voters.
The thing that gave Clemens Cover was someone name Nolan Ryan. He pitched a few years longer and kept his velocity and has never been accused of PEDs. Also was feisty on the mound. So until the steroid scandals broke people could point t to Ryan and say but he did it without PEDs.
Great video! Brought back many memories... I am from Miami, we have probably the worst baseball organization in baseball, but we did win the world series in 2003 and beat Clemons in that world series, so if you hate him, I will say YOU ARE WELCOME!!!
TimSiV4 Plenty of people with God as their idol end up extremely disappointed or convinced to be horrible hypocrites by the Church they attend. Not to mention the millions of them who recently elected an Epstein Client, Diddy Partier, and Pdfile.
I always found it fascinating that despite Roger viewing his stepfather as his father figure, he kept his original surname. Then again, Roger Booher just doesn't have the same aura.
Can't really blame Roger for being mad his manager threw him under the bus like that when the whole loss was totally McNamara's fault for keeping Buckner in the game
@@Iridescence93 Mcmamara did a lot of things wrong those last two games. He obviously pulled Clemens earlier than he probably should've, then instead of pinch hitting him with Don Baylor, send out an inexperience rookie to strikeout. Then keep a gassed Schiraldi in too long, and keep a hobbled Buckner at first when you had a defensive replacement ready to go (one he used in each of their 7 playoff wins that year). Them in game 7, send Schiraldi out AGAIN after a brilliant Bruce Hurst performance to get shlacked and lose the lead.
Clemens definitely didn't ask out of the 86 World Series. You can clearly see him with a helmet on getting a bat when he was pinch hit for... Strange behavior for someone who "asked out of the game"
@@dukedematteo1995 lots of bad stuff you can say about Clemens in hind sight but he seems like he would want to pitch in the WS even if his arm was falling off
@@SmoothCriminal12 in McNamara's (and Clemens) defense. Clemens had thrown about 140 pitches through 7 innings. I get he's the Rocket, he's only 23, could have went longer... but that is a lot of pitches.
You know what's stupid though? Jeff Bagwell clearly was on the ROIDS as was Mike Piazza. None of those guys should be in the hall. What I hate is that Bonds and Clemens are used as poster boys getting all the blame, but all those cheaters should not be in the hall by any means!! Casual fans don't know, but my buddy Brent Iddon who played in the minor leagues regularly saw pro baseball players using steroids, saying that virtually 80% of players he met were on some kind of substance in the late 90s. This is the hypocrisy and bullshit of the MLB thanks to Bud Selig valuing bullshit homeruns to bring in fans over the integrity and history of the game.
@@robertsmith2088 You can't forget Sosa. He gets treated just as badly and there is some arguable proof that he wasn't on the juice but only used juiced bats. Then to a lesser extent you have Palmero as well.
@@General_Junkie I can't find any compelling reason why Sosa would not have been on the juice. The easiest way to see that he was on steroids is by simply looking at his unusually disproportionate muscle mass in his upper body, which showed his muscles to be "full" and "bloated". If you compare him in the late 90s to his physical appearance in first and second year in the leagues you can tell his body underwent unusual rapid muscle development within a short period of time. The point made by my friend who played in the minor leagues during the steroid era though, is supposed to illustrate the fact that most professional baseball players in the U.S., let alone major league sluggers were on some kind of PED. And one thing that should be known about a lot of baseball players in the big leagues is that they are not the most scrupulous type of people in the world. We already saw an entire organisation stay mum, save for one person about using technology to steal signs with many players not admitting to the scheme despite clear evidence. Therefore, it would not be too farfetched to imagine a bunch of professional baseball players using PEDs at the time while MLB did nothing to dissuade players from using such substances. To give you are little bit better known name of someone who was on PEDs who you may not have originally associated it with is Gabe Kapler, who clearly was on steroids despite not ever being known as a home run hitter.
@@robertsmith2088They should all be in the hall of fame. They didn't have rules against peds and when they put a rule in there was no punishment. When they started testing players they didn't suspend anyone for being positive.
@@brawndothirstmutilator5863 Regardless of whether MLB had provisions in place to penalise players for PED usage or not, they all knew what they were doing was wrong and Bud Selig definitely knew that what he was doing was wrong. Otherwise the Mitchell Report wouldn't have blown up baseball as much as it did, and we wouldn't have well-established rules in place today strictly penalising juicers.
@@d.l.d.l.8140 yes, he is accused of using PEDs, for 3 half seasons...second half of 1999, 2000 and 2001. You could remove those entire years from his career and he'd still have the best numbers ever....by a mile.
I was a Clemens fan, but then he went and took steroids. Not only to avoid the accusation by lying, he threw his wife under the bus by claiming the drugs were hers.
Roger Clemens is not an "outcast of the game". He worked for the Astros for quite a while. He jumps in the booth here and there at Redsox and Houston games, and he's been doing a lot of podcasts and interviews in the online baseball circuit. He's still very popular in Texas especially. Unlike Bonds, he doesn't bitch and moan about getting snubbed for the Hall. And when the old guard dies off, he'll get in the Hall, hopefully while he's still alive. He ended with 65% of the vote....meaning a substantial majority of writers found him worthy. Kudos to them for not succumbing to a moral panic.
Boston sportswriters crucified Clemens every little chance they could get to tear him down, as they did with another star Red Sox, Jim Rice, who would also neither take shi from them, nor kiss their ass. Albert Belle was the worst MLB victim of vulture baseball media that I can remember tho
@@earlpipe9713Jim Rice WAS a bad ass. Clemens is just a bully and an entitled asshole. If he gets in, all of the steroid players should get in along with him...and Big Papi who is already in the Hall despite testing positive for PEDs.
@@dukedematteo1995 He is an outcast. He dishonored the game. We have so many people worshipping failed people because they cheated for THEIR team. You have failed, morally. Not too late for you.
@dukedematteo1995 Bonds drew 66% in his final year on the ballot. What’s your point? NOBODY belongs in the hall if Bonds doesn’t. Get over yourself and your irrational Bonds hatred.
I understand why you did it. But you should have touched on the Mindy McCready problem. She was well under 18 when they had their lengthy affair. It was an open secret and I believe the media held this against him as well. No one believes the defence that was given but Clemens and due to the age of MM, this also kept him out of the Hall.
PED use, be it HGH/steroids. End of story! Sure players like Bonds and Clemens would both have been shoe-ins into the HOF without steroids, but cheating is cheating. If you let in cheaters you destroy the integrity of the game, be it directly or tacitly. The game of baseball is more important than a few cheaters who took the risk, and are now paying the price.
You've got to the nut of it. The other PED guys wouldn't have been considered for the HoF w/o their ill-gotten achievements, but Barry Bonds and Roger Clements had done enough for the HoF before their PED issues (exact use dates unknown). I think the records they set work against them for consideration. More single season HR than Maris or Babe? No, cheater. More career HR than the Hammer or Babe? No, cheater. More Cy Youngs than the Big Unit, Mad Dog, or Carlton? No, cheater. If they had had career achievements that didn't surpass all others, maybe the HoF would have been within their reach.
I am no fan of Clemens or Bonds because they were just terrible people from my experience. However ... there was no rule in baseball making steroids or growth hormones illegal until after the Canseco book. So was it cheating? I would say no because there were a lot (wish I knew an exact percentage) of players using them -- batters and pitchers. MLB let it slide because it put butts in the stands, and then when congress says, "what is all this" the owners become saints and pretend it was a complete shock to them ... LOL
Who's that player at 21:20? He's so familiar, but I just can't remember his name. Ah, never mind, I saw someone randomly mention his name in the comments. Andy Pettite.
it's simple - He took PED's - Why should he be among the ranks of Vida Blue, Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax, Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton, Jim Palmer? He cheated in a way that gave him an unfair advantage against his contemporaries. IMHO - this is worse than the Pete Rose issue - Gambling is an addiction, and while I agree with the lifetime ban placed upon Pete, his gambling never effected his playing, PED's do effect performance.
It’s not only that, he’s a liar and won’t admit it. AND Vida Blue should be in. When Roger admits he is a filthy cheater, they can let him is when he’s dead. Same with Bonds.
@@BringingTheHeat-VBC Vida blue won the MVP as a Pitcher, the Cy Young, and 3 world series rings without taking PED's. Clemens can rot in hell for all I care, he cheated, for years, and that should NEVER be rewarded.
You forgot one key thing….. in 2000. Yankees signed Conseco along with his trainer. He went to Houston and took Pettite with him and when he came back to NY Pettite followed.
@markj9267 You think an outright falsehood should have been mentioned? McCreedy herself said they didn't start a physical affair until she was 18 - 20 years old.
@rancidcrawfish I think the sad thing is guys like you will defend a man who is clearly in the wrong & who could care less about whether you exist or not. And for what lmao? Get some integrity & stop embarrassing yourself.
I don't care how he acted on the field or what he did in his personal life. I don't know him personally, I just watched him pitch from the beginning of his career, and he was hell of a pitcher, and was exciting to watch.
@axelagosto5196 All of that has absolutely nothing to do with me. When he is throwing a shutout, I don't sit there and think he is arrogant and on steroids. The same thing with the rest of the players.
Without the roids Clemens would NEVER have won as many games. I saw him in 1994 in Fenway and he was washed up. Knocked out by the 5th inning. He hides out up in Toronto (in the U.S. if you go to Canada, you're hiding out...sorry to my Canadian friends) and all of a sudden he's a total fireballer again. He was NEVER gonna make the Hall. And then he tries to play tough guy by throwing at hitters all of the time. He was a bum!
As a fellow Texan from El Paso our Downtown Plaza is named San Jacinto which I thank you for correcting the pronouncing of the name. I also commented to throw in an awesome coincidence because San Jacinto plaza in El Paso was famous for having live Alligators on display. Now a statue is in place in honor.
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Key word "used to". Everyone here says San Jacinto with a J, but aren't lost on the silent J in the Spanish language. It's just a regional thing here. Perhaps you weren't originally from Houston
Yeah but look at the stats and tell me how many Cy Young awards Nolan Ryan was robbed of. You can be one of the best players of all time and not win a Cy Young. The award is not meaningless at all. It’s awarded for the pitcher with the best season , not necessarily the best pitcher in baseball. I mean by your logic the MVP award is meaningless cause Ken Griffey JR only won 1 of them. And he was absolutely robbed 2 times when he was in his prime. Did the sports writers get it wrong fuck yes they did but they don’t always get it wrong. So no that award is not meaningless
IT's not a meaningless award, but it's definitely not the best measure of a pitcher's overall value, as there are many pitchers who had better seasons than their counterparts who won Cy young awards, yet unfortunately were in a stacked league of pitchers who they had to compete for cy young awards against and would lose to due to the cy young award placing more importance on wins rather than advanced stats such as WHIP, WAR or WS like they do now. But Clemens was an impressive pitcher for a very long time. But I cannot put him ahead of Pedro, or Greg Maddux for his era. I would argue Clemens was the best for his era in terms of longevity with Randy Johnson second to him. But in their primes I would not put anyone ahead of Pedro Martinez other than Sandy Koufax. The reason why Pedro tops the list is because he absolutely dominated during the steroid era in a hitter friendly ballpark while owning virtually the greatest ERA+ stat in mlb history, aside from Carl Hubell who no one knew. The Reason clemens falls behind Maddux and Martinez however, is due to his higher walk ratio which affected his WHIP. Pedro also owns the top 3 Batting Average against pitchers in MLB history only behind Sandy Koufax and Nolan Ryan.
Roger Clemens was the first pro athlete I looked up to as a kid, he was the man in my eyes. I wanted to be him when I grew up. Glad I didn't, but he was one hell of a pitcher, even just considering his Boston tenure.
He was loud and arrogant and he hit a lot of batters but you know what - he never had to face pitches thrown at his head in the batter's box. Pretty easy to be a bad ass when you know you never have to face the consequences. That sounds like the definition of a punk.
Telegrams were often used as official communiques well into the 2000s, often as a means of passing highly important messages between governments or news organizations, and even had a bit of a prestigious appearance due to its rarity in everyday communications. It wasn't uncommon at all for elected officials to pass along a message to people with telegrams, especially in scenarios where a phone call wouldn't be practical. Hell, when I was in Marine Corps boot camp in late 1994, everyone in my platoon was instructed to send a telegram to our parents during the holidays.
You must be referring to the allegations of Mindy McCreedy. I find that as bad or worse than the steroid allegations, but they are just unproven rumors, I guess.
When i was young i honestly just assumed he was chunky, not built. But his frame seems to be pretty common for top tier pitchers. Whereas hitters often look like super heroes, pitchers typically look like they just came from the bar.
He shortened Piazza’s and other players careers. He decided to cheat to grow his ego so large as to overshadow the league after he already was likely a HOF. His kids names start with K because of his ego. He’s a monster. And I believe he should never be enshrined in the hall. If you want to build a Hall of Infamy I’d support his induction.
He never shortened Piazza's career. That's incorrect and fake news. Don't know what your smoking. Piazza owned him though for sure although you comment doesn't mention that truth.
@@user-fp5do5ie3p stop. The cheaters ended many careers of players who were either hanging on the the big leagues or trying to get to the bigs. The cheaters like a Roger got big contracts and hurt the -layers who didn’t cheat. Simple as that.
I disliked him when he played for the Red Sox. He was a headhunter and there was that time when he didn't give an autograph to a man, who was special needs. Clemens threw hot dog rolls at the reporter that wrote the story. He totally and completely redeemed himself when he won the 2007 World Series for the Red Sox by going back to the Yankees. He supposedly tried to choose between the Yankees and the Red Sox. 28m made the decision easier. That and the fact that he said that he wanted to go into Cooperstown with a Yankees hat. Players don't get to make that decision anymore thanks to former Red Sox teammate Wade Boggs' decision to don a Devil Rays cap at Cooperstown.
every single star player was at that point, you might as well write off & ignore the entirety of pro baseball after the 70s if steroids play such a large factor in determining it's worthiness
@ 1:30 Why did you show a scene of people traveling on the Pennsylvania Turnpike approaching one of its tunnels located in the middle of the state when discussing Clemens’ mother “packed her kids into the car and left [her husband] for good”, when they dudn’t even more out of Ohio at the time? 🧐
Isn't he essentially the pitching version of Barry Bonds? Steroid jokes aside, it seems like Roger by default has to be the best pitcher ever. At the very least mentioned in the same breath with Maddux and Randy.
Building off of the Clemens/Bonds analogy. If Clemens was Bonds(a once in a lifetime talent whose use of steroids and personality will forever taint how we view them); Maddox is Ken Griffey Jr. Beloved by fans during their prime and even moreso now. Their personality and ability to stay clean has allowed their legacies to flourish, while Bonds and Clemens are fading away- sadly.
Pedro doing what he did, and actually had the best statistical season in history, in the middle of the steroid era. Not that other era's were better. Since the 40s everyone used amphetamines and took everything that would make them stronger or recover quicker. And why not? They were like supplements to them
@@m.o.5291 Peak Pedro was unreal. Even Pedro in 2004 was still better than most of his contemporaries. I'd argue if Red Sox games were on a network like TBS(like the Braves), Pedro would be more beloved. The fact he pitched 9 perfect innings is a feat in itself.
Used to love baseball but the whole steroid epidemic broke my enjoyment. It was so obvious Bonds, McGuire, Conseco, Sosa & many more were taking something. Bonds was arguably the most obvious. An average sized guy 180 lbs to suddenly 220 lbs & not having a neck. Everything was focused on these cheaters & it sucked.
Albert Belle was the most hated of that era, due to the media smearing him at every turn due to him being unwilling to play their fukkfukk games. You hardly ever even his name mentioned despite him consistently having some of the greatest hitters #s
He is an all time great, not hated; but some believe the media. He was a big solid guy, but he was much smaller than Frank Thomas. He wasn't built like a steroid user, he never failed a drug test, he never claimed to use steroids; the accusation was merely that. An accusation. Tossing a bit of bat that came at him to the side and it went a bit further than expected but didn't hit Mike Piazza (who's more likely a steroid user than Clemens, but that got ignored and he still went HOF.)
A lot of guys who used steroids got in the Hall, such as David Ortiz and such. Ortiz even admitted it. But it all depends on if the media voters like you, they didn’t like Clemens and Bonds. The Hall is a load of crap.
- Pitchers in the 90's: It's my 130th pitch... no problem with pitching one more inning to finish the game. - Modern pitchers: It'S mY 54th piTcH On ThE 1st InnIng, Me NeeDs TJ.
Shhhh! There’s a lot of doctors getting very very rich off all these players getting their arms cut up constantly, over and over again. Don’t rock the corrupt boat my friend..
Although I'm from the UK I lived for a number of years in New England and grew to love baseball in the late 90s onwards. Anyway I'm talking to a guy who was one of the most considered baseball fans that I knew about Roger Clemens... At this time I think he was at the Yankees although it might have been the Blue Jays, anyway the point was it was after he left Boston and he was firmly of the belief when Clemens retired the Cy Young trophy would be renamed after him and this wasn't someone who was in any way hyperbolic. Its so very sad to see that his legacy has been so damaged at this point that, now even the Hall of Fame is beyond his reach..(but then again I picture him in pinstripes and I am a good deal cooler with it!)
Clemens & Bonds should be in the hof. Either remove their records or have them in. Makes no sense that you look at the all time statistics and neither are in.
Clemens was a great pitcher. I hope that he and Barry Bonds will get together often and discuss why neither of them will ever get close to Cooperstown.
@@k.s.nichols4060 Yeah,,because steroids give you late movement,keep your mechanics straight,give you command of the strike zone, drop on your split and make the ball tougher to pick up out of your hand,right? All of those cy youngs before p.e.d's mean nothing ,right?...
I didn't know Clemens was originally drafted by the Mets. The universe where he stayed with the Mets and was coached by Bob Gibson probably ends with Clemens being banned for life for killing someone with a pitch...
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The fact people upvote this comment just kind of outs the fact you use bot accounts, dippy.
Not true😮
Randy Johnson said Rodger helped work on his with his control, not the sign of a bad teammate.
@@steveclapper5424 Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson were never teammates
@@PatriotsVideos I know but I didtinctly remeber Randy saying how much Rodger helped him, just because.
Legend has it that Clemens' congress testimony was so painful to watch, it put Carl Pavano back on the IL.
@@SmoothCriminal12 and yet he was acquitted in like 12 seconds
There was nothing wrong with calling it the "DL." You wokerati ruin everything.
Pavano just pulled a muscle in his back laughing at that joke😅
@@SmoothCriminal12 👏👏👏👏
@dennisdezarn5895 highly doubt Pavano saw that joke...
His carpel tunnel prevents him from using a keyboard and the computer screen hurts his eyes
He handed out signed photos of himself TO HIS TEAMMATES
Based
@@Wes_Is_A_Mess when u know u know.
Michael Jordan probably wouldn't be that generous.
Very generous
Almost as bad as Barry Bonds insisting that the clubhouse supply him an easy chair just for his own use.
I have a neighbor who is a retired American League umpire. He is the most calm guy I know. Perfect temperament for an umpire. When I mentioned Roger Clemens he went crazy. He said he was the biggest prima Donna . He said he argued every ball and strike. Every umpire just held their breath every time he pitched
Angel Hernandez 😂
Lame.@@captainchaos52
Big, angry, and overly aggressive.... no signs of steroid use.... yep none at all.
He was like that from Day 1.
He used steroids in his late 30s.
roid rage is a myth
@@poindextertunes ok buddy
@@imandan1966
It is.
You sound exceptionally ignorant.
As a professional chauffeur in Houston, Texas from 2001-2006, I was assigned to provide transportation to Houston Astros pitcher Roger Clemons, his wife, 2 teen sons, and his mother. Over a two year period I probably had 10-12 trips with one or all of them.
All five of them were unreasonable, entitled jackasses who treated me like a door mat and didn't treat each other much better! Clemons usually tipped me but I would rather have never met the jerk or his rotten family. SMH...
Speaking of meeting Houston professional athletes, I got to meet Yao Ming at the Rockets facility and couldn't believe what I watched. He was alone in one of the courts with two ballboys. He would shoot 100 shots from the 3pt line on the far right, then shoot a hundred more from 10 other locations on the 3pt line. Then he moved in 8ft and did it all over again, 100, 100,100,100,100 etc and then he would move 5ft closer and same thing, he would shoot 100 balls from 10 other locations, then he would get to the free throw line and shoot 100, and then he went right back to the far right 3pt line and start over. It was my last job that day (delivered Precor fitness equipment while in college and right out of the Marines) so we stayed and watched(with permission) and it was around 9pm on a Friday night when he finished. We watched for 5hrs. He came over to shake our hand and give autographs. His fingers touched my elbow pit when we shook hands and he was sooooo tall compared to me at 5ft 8in. He was super cool and said he does the shooting routine every day and even on game days if he is able. I kinda pictured Clemens being a jerk and sorry that he was and his family as well. I met Nolan Ryan at the airport. He was alone with a 10gallon hat flying southwest airlines out of Hobby Airport. He gave us an autograph and talked for awhile. I actually lived in Alvin Tx which is where he was from. Well he was born in Refugio TX which is a small town down 35south but he grew up in Alvin. We even have a big sign "hometown of Lynn Nolan Ryan" and his first name is Lynn which alot of people don't know. He was super chill and intimidating but once you shook hands he was such a cowboy and plus he had millions but there he was flying cheap southwest airlines. He said he was going to o Oklahoma to do something with a minor league team. He asked where I was going and I said "ugh I'm goin to Camp Pendleton California" and he went "I knew you had to be a Marine!" Which was really awesome and he said the haircut and my walk gave it away. We felt kinda bad because once people realized it was Nolan Ryan that we were talking to, then a bunch of people lined up but he signed every single thing from probably 50 people then had to rush to the airplane as it was close to leaving. He turned and yelled "good luck back at Pendleton Young Marine" and nodded his cowboy hat. Glad my two meetings went well
Some people stay grounded with fame and fortune, as for Clemens it turned him into a self centered asshole, it was all about him and reading your post it trickled down to his family also
Your job was to drive for money and tips, not to be part of the family. Is he supposed to become friends with every loser taxi driver that drove him? Like who do you think you are? Just drive the car and stfu.
Thank you for sharing. What a rotten guy and family.
Yeah, I'm gonna say that this never happened.
This is a fantastic video. It dives deep into the side of Roger Clemens that the media often hesitates to cover. Clemens was a hero to so many kids, and after his darker side was revealed, it feels like the media went silent, waiting for it to be forgotten. Truly an excellent video.
This leaves out Clemens having an affair with an underaged country singer, who would later commit suicide. The worst things he did in baseball are nothing next to that. He is a terrible person.
He had an affair with Ukraine?
For those wondering, the opening post refers to country singer Mindy McCready
She was a really screwed up person.
No, he left out an ALLEGED media-driven story that even McCready herself denies, and her suicide had nothing to do with Clemens. YOU are a terrible person for attempting to smear someone over something that has already been disproven and debunked. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Underaged? You sure about that?
“You can’t kill umpires. It’s just not allowed”
- Commissioner Fay Vincent
😂
Best quote ever!
That quote would land him in jail, today. Wouldn't need a Commissioner to step in for that one.
I remember when Clemens and Petite brought their egos to Houston. They were going to win a World Series. They didn't, and poof, they were gone. Clemens was a juicer and, like the rest of them, refused to admit it.
When your ambition and arrogance is greater than living a life of integrity and sportsmanship.
Nonsense
@user-qg2tx2jv1n Is that you Roger ? 😆
@@wiseogjc370 u caught me
Sense.
Perfectly stared . Boston resident before and during the whole Clemens era.
I couldn’t wait for him to leave Town. Prima Donna p$ssy .. liked to intimidate more than he liked to pitch. Coward disguised as tough guy. Cheater . I’ll never forget the head hunting pitch on Piazza and then the thrown broken bat. I pray he doesn’t get in to the Hall. The irony is that he would have been a show in with his numbers before he started juicing. And spare me the bs about “everyone was doing it “. False. And it doesn’t matter how many players were using during that time.. it still corrupted the game and diminished the accomplishments of those who came before them. $ Greed. People who weren’t grateful for what they had been given.. they had to have more . More $$, more Fame. Shame on them all and especially those who were the Stars of the Era.
18:22 that is the most 90s photo in existence. Roger's Schwarzenegger cut and frosted tips, Canseco's colored contacts, it just screams Deep Impact.
“ROJAH CLEMENS IS IN GEOHGES’S BOX!!!” Being shouted by Suzyn Waldman is such a classic bit of audio. As a former sports talk radio addict, I think I heard that audio sample no less than 5000 times.
I am sure she shouted even more after his 2007 season 99-inning, 6 wins, 6 losses performance. The Yankees paid Clemens 28 million dollars for that, or $282,828.00 per inning. The Yankees should have renamed their "YES" channel "NO" when he pitched.
OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS! Seriously, it's a classic. I remember listening to Boomer & Carton go off on it that next morning in my dad's truck riding to school 😂
Me too. And Opie and Anthony goofing on her . About 10 years ago he at Flushing meadows Park. I had to do the impersonation 😂
@@jimlaregina pro rated.
Seeing it written this way reminds me of a 19 year old Jose Reyes saying “Royer Clemy making bery difficult for hitting ball.” Love you, Jose!
Y'know... this guy would've been looked back on more fondly if he didn't throw that broken bat at his father, Mike Piazza.
He wasn’t throwing it at him. He just chucked it and all that happened. It was a knee-jerk reaction. All you people who make fun of him for saying I thought it was the ball” have either never played or are just plain ignorant. Piazza swung and the chunk of the bat came flying towards him so he reacted. Obviously before he threw it he knew it was the bat but he just tossed it out of frustration.
@blacjackdaniels200 This!! These idiots who criticize him for it have obviously never played baseball, or probably any fast-paced sport. Things happen FAST on the mound. But these idiots talk as though they have a clue.
@@Johnfisher12345 exactly! Line drives right back at you when you’re pitching a scary as shit. You don’t have but a millisecond to react, and God only knows what that’s like when you were throwing the ball 98 mph and somebody is hitting it back at you just as fast or faster. Clemens did nothing wrong in that encounter. He probably got frustrated after the bat came at him like that and he just picked it up and tossed to the side like fuck this shit. He didn’t look up there Mike Piazza let me throw this piece of wood at him. It’s astonishing. The fact that Tim McCarver, who knows more baseball than anyone, was saying that Clemens was wrong. Just made it worse because that’s everybody’s biggest argument. But people forget Tim McArver is more of a Mets guy than the Yankees guy that’s for sure
@@blacjackdaniels200he threw it due to roid rage. He also beamed Piazza in the head with his hardest pitch because he couldn’t get him out. Don’t defend him. It’s a bad look for you.
@@blacjackdaniels200yeah? Name someone else who threw a broken bat immediately out of rage for no reason? He was roided out and angry that the batter owned him and that he hadn’t killed him with the pitch. No remorse. No apology. No explanation. Just a cheater who revealed the monster within.
In The Simpsons episode Homer At The Bat he acted like a chicken
My sources confirm this as true.
Get rid of those sideburns!!😂
@@jackmorrison8269 I don't know what you think sideburns are, so here you go.
One of the all time great Simpson’s episodes.
🎶🎶"We're talking softball." 🎶🎶
Clemons was anything but “pure muscle” you could see his gut through the uniform.
100% dad bod
Clemens was in incredible shape in his career regardless of whether he gained a few around his waist during the back end of his 30's.
That’s the roid gut. Your organs get bigger and push out your gut when you take growth hormone.
Piazza was not pure muscle either, and still got in the hall. BAgwell definitely was not pure muscle.
There were even non homerun hitters who clearly were on roids as well such as Gabe Kapler. I don't think casual fans understand just how widespread steroid usage was in baseball during the late 90s and early to mid 2000s.
It wasn't just major league baseball players, but countless players in double AA were on the juice as well. This is why ex comissioner of MLB, Bud Selig, should go down in shame.
@robertsmith2088 I agree. People just forget how little fans and media (everyone really) gave a crap about steroids back then.
For example, back in the 1990s.. everyone knew Canseco was on steroids, but no one ever said he was a "disgrace" or that his numbers don't count, etc etc. His reputation wasn't at all damaged by that knowledge.
I used to be a Red Sox fan through the 70s and 80s but when they let Fisk, Burreson and Lynn go in 1980, something changed. I began following those 80s Red Sox players and rooted for them wherever they went. I’ll always be a Roger Clemens fan, and the same goes for Wade Boggs, Dwight Evans, Carl Yastrzemski, Bill Lee, Luis Tiant, and all those other guys that eventually wound up with other teams.
You speak for me as well. Bill Lee would be seen quite differently if those three straight 17 win seasons and his Expo season broke through to 20 wins. Yaz is still with us. I hope Boston gives him one last tribute...
Take it you don't like Jim Rice
roger was a 500 pitcher his last few seasons in boston, going 40 -- 39 over four years. he was so fat he made me look skinny and i hadn't exercised in years. when rog signed his last contract with the red sox, he was baseball's highest paid player, but in a few months things changed and several other players signed bigger contracts. rog demanded to renegotiate a contract only a few months old and the sox said no. so, rog went on an eating spree and i'm gonna hold my breath til you give me more money tantrum. he tanked his last four years in boston, effectively ripping off the fans who paid for a star pitcher but got a fat and arrogant prick who couldn't see his shoes. after he left boston, he showed up in toronto ripped and frothing at the mouth, winning two consecutive cy young awards. it is one of the few instances of true justice in the world that rog couldn't get into the baseball HOF. more than half of his big stats were drug induced.
@@Mike___Honcho Dude, you nailed it! Dan Duquette was the GM for the Red Sox at the time and he was the one behind not giving Clemens a contract and let him walk via free agency, a lot of people , mostly fans criticized him for doing so, I and I'm sure you among some others were on Duquette's side because Clemens let himself go, he was just a shadow of himself those 4 year's in Boston, his record speaks for itself. Dan was an outstanding GM, he brought players like Garciapara, Varitek, Pedro Martinez, Wakefield, Damon, Lowe to name a few, he actually laid the groundwork for us to win our first world series in almost a hundred year's and then the new owner's John Henry and Co. when they had bought the team fired him, those assholes, and most people gave those pricks the credit for winning our first world series in such a long time when in fact it was Dan Duquette
Mike Greenwell and Ellis Burks
Another great video! Loved the Gametime ad!
those old sportscenter commercials were gold 👌🏻
The best one was the guy talking out of his butt in the elevator.
i witnessed Clemens give up back to back HRs to RobDeer and Pete Incaviglia at Fenway vs Tigers circa 1989 ish. The next batter, little John Shelby , got plunked in the ear by Clemens next pitch, resulting in bench clearing brawl. A legit A-hole.
I was at that game with my dad as an 8 or 9 year old. Insanity that day
I was at the game when he announced his final comeback to the Yankees, the stadium was absolutely electric. Coincidentally, I also had tickets to a game vs the Pirates later in the season. Turned out to be Clemens' first game back. Pitched 6 innings, 6ks and got the win.
The Rocket will always be the man. F the haters .
Punk. If he would have played in the National League and stepped into the batter's box...
Bob Gibson was admired...Clemens is not.
"Rooahhhhjaaa Clemmmins is back Oh MY GAAAWWWDDDD Rojja Cwemens"
Susyn Waldman single handedly set Women's broadcasters back an entire decade with that horror show. Best part is her producers are in her earpiece telling her to tone it down and she just can't help herself
Then Doris Burke set us women back, another century, with her dreadful NBA Finals announcing. Even though, as a woman, myself, I don't think we need to have to stick our noses in men's sports, just to make some ridiculous point. Nothing kills a great baseball game, in person, like a female public address announcer. I went to a SF Giants game several years ago, and that woman PA announcer was utterly horrible. Not exactly Bob Sheppard, was she?
His first appearance was in relief at Oakland I know I was there saw him warm up and I've seen a lot of pictures but I've never seen anybody throw that hard
As a kid in the 90’s I went to tons of ball games and loved to wait for autographs after the games..I remember Clemens almost always signing,and when he didn’t, he was always cool with the fans,respectful,joking and really was a good dude.Even when he didn’t have to be..I’ll always have Rocket’s back
He was faking it for the fans. At least he made the effort.
I have no problem with your support as a fan of his, however your support of him is based on emotion and the way he treated you Great. However that ignores the fact he was a cheater that damaged the reputation and integrity of the game. No one player or team is more important than the sport itself.
I'm sure he's got your back too 🙄
He had Mindy McCreedys
Because he signed a piece of leather or paper. I thought you were better than that.
@@MultiEvisceratorHopefully you feel the same way about the politicians you support.
This dude is so cool, Roger is like a bad guy from an 80s movie.
Bad guy - check
Shit movie - check
Roger Clemens is one of those people who never understood that greatness is achieved by using your brakes, not just your accelerator.
It sounds like wisdom you heard somewhere. But that aggressive nature was why he was the best pitcher of all time.
You should have have pumped your brakes before you made a comment that would only make sense if Clemens hadn't achieved greatness. And acceleration will always be more necessary for winning races.
@@CalvinHikes More like misheard, since the comment really doesn't make sense.
If he listened to that advice he would’ve retired after Dan Duquette said he was washed up. Yet he went on to win 4 more cy young awards, join the 300 win and 4000k club and win 2 World Series rings.
I met Roger at the Tustin Ranch Golf Club in Orange County, CA. It was 1990. He was with catcher Rich Gedman. Clemens was a complete a$$hole. Gedman apologized to me for Clemens’ reprehensible behavior.
I'm a Sox fan, and I'm not surprised. Clemens is the guy who refused to carry his own luggage.
Roger was the Lance Armstrong of MLB
Ya, but at least Armstrong walked on the moon. Err - wait a minute......
Nope, that is A-Rod.
When he threw that bat at piazza I knew he had to be on roids
You don't know shit.
Yeah don't know if that is a true indicator,I think it was more because he was a dick
He was always insane.
roid rage is a myth
Ridiculous
Nolan Ryan was Waay Better-a Better Sportman/Class Act, and Never used P.E.D's! Great Video!!👍💯
Being a huge a-hole certainly didn't help.
He was hated in Toronto. A complete dick. And no....we are not "misremembering"
Who was bigger a-hole, Clemens or Schilling?
@@MeneTekelUpharsin Clemens hands down. Shilling made comments after retiring from the game and deserves to be in the HOF. His career was great. What he said after baseball should not keep him out of the Hall.
Being a huge a-hole with the press who votes on the HoF did not help.
Awesome video that highlights the peaks and valleys of a legendary career. Love your videos man keep it up.
Lazy video. I agree with some comments. How can you NOT talk about Mindy McCready. It’s FACT. Not rumor. 15 years old and outside of her Mother, he was arguably the second most closest person to her and responsible for her spiral. Everyone in Ft Myers knew this.
Really good video! Just want to point out though that the Dan Duquette "twilight of his career" quote is misquoted. The full statement is that he "hoped to keep him in Boston during the twilight of his career", not necessarily that he was already in it. But I don't blame you for quoting it incorrectly because almost EVERYBODY did, including (if not especially) Red Sox fans.
But at that point a lot of Sox fans would have agreed he was in the downslope of his career even if a second 20 strikeout game and good season stats belied it.
He was out of shape, unhappy, and getting hit hard.
Plus Duquette offered him a lot of money to stay.
@@MikeBroderick33 Sure, I was just focusing on one quote that's almost always taken out of context
@SamuraiSam 👍. And you're right. It was taken out of context.
I completely forgot about that last Yankee stint.
Here's a list of other great pitchers having elite years at a later age.
Randy Johnson, age 37 and 38. Cy Young in each year. Two best yrs.
Curt Schilling, age 35, 34 and 37. (CY runner up all 3 yrs)
John Smoltz age 39, 40
Justin Verlander, Cy Young age 36 and 39.
Steve Carlton, age 37
Nolan Ryan, age 41, 42, 39
There's literally nothing odd or suspicious about Roger Clemens having a career year at 34 and another great one at 35 up in Toronto.Nothing at all.
Randy actually finished second to Clemens in 2004. They were 42 and 41, respectively. Gaylord Perry won one at age 40 too. The video jumps to conclusions for sure. I'm not sure Clemens actually took PED's. He was acquitted even with his trainer's allegations, unlike Bonds.
@stevendeckert6373 Clemens took PEDs in the years his accusers specified he did. Which is the second halves of 99, 2000 and 2001. Yet all these idiots in the media just speculate/lie and add like another 7 seasons to the accusation bc using PEDs for a mere 3 half seasons is kind of a nothing burger when you're talking about a 24 yr career.
There's no evidence of use before that time, and McNamee never mentioned a word about him using after that time... ie 2003 or in Houston from 2004 to 2006. Not a word. The reason being, the last 5 years of his career were in the testing era! Clemens did not fail any of the tests. Not the survey test in 2003, nor none of the offical tests in 2004, 2005, 2006, or 07......because, Clemens, like the vast majority of players then understood the party was over by 2003. So he stopped when the MLB finally instituted testing and the "steroid scandal" among media and fans began. Once it was clear to him that using PEDs was a major risk, (testing, fan/media anger, reputation/legacy destruction) he didn't use them anymore. It's pretty simple, common sense.
That was the case for most of these guys. Once 2003/4 rolled around, they all knew the party was over, and acted accordingly. (There were some exceptions, but for the most part, the steroid era was over.)
@stevendeckert6373 Randy actually deserved to win the Cy over Clemens in 2004. But Roger deserved it the next year in 2005 when he posted a 1.87 ERA, and also led NL pitchers in FIP and WAR.
Problem was, writers were still in love with W-L record back then, unlike today where W-L is at most, of secondary importance to writers/voters.
lol. Roger is NOT in the same league as Nolan Ryan.. Ryan was a class act, Roger cheated everybody who ever played the game. He’s a loser
@tessp100d4 im talking about baseball greatness, not likeability.
lmao at that Eli bobblehead bit.
Personally, Clemens is still the best right-handed pitcher I ever saw, even if I ignored all the seasons that followed '95.
You obviously never saw JR Richards
The thing that gave Clemens Cover was someone name Nolan Ryan. He pitched a few years longer and kept his velocity and has never been accused of PEDs. Also was feisty on the mound. So until the steroid scandals broke people could point t to Ryan and say but he did it without PEDs.
Ryan also had a horse farm that raised race horses. He knew about steroids and Ped before anyone in MLB. The evidence is there, no one wants to look
@@jamesmorgan7459 What an awful detective you'd be.
Great video! Brought back many memories... I am from Miami, we have probably the worst baseball organization in baseball, but we did win the world series in 2003 and beat Clemons in that world series, so if you hate him, I will say YOU ARE WELCOME!!!
As a young RHP, Clemons was my idol. Evan as an adult, it hurt to find out that he was cheating. So disappointing.
When you make a man your idol you will always be disappointed. God should be the only idol anyone has
TimSiV4
Plenty of people with God as their idol end up extremely disappointed or convinced to be horrible hypocrites by the Church they attend. Not to mention the millions of them who recently elected an Epstein Client, Diddy Partier, and Pdfile.
I always found it fascinating that despite Roger viewing his stepfather as his father figure, he kept his original surname. Then again, Roger Booher just doesn't have the same aura.
Brett favre: hold my beer!!!!
@brientaylorcohenYeah, when you look at Woods it's obvious that the PGA doesn't put a big priority on drug testing.
Roger Clemons MVP Baseball for the NES was and is probably one of my favorite baseball video games to date. Up there with MVP 04for PS2.
@MrTUBEular10 one of my first baseball video games.
Can't really blame Roger for being mad his manager threw him under the bus like that when the whole loss was totally McNamara's fault for keeping Buckner in the game
@@Iridescence93 Mcmamara did a lot of things wrong those last two games. He obviously pulled Clemens earlier than he probably should've, then instead of pinch hitting him with Don Baylor, send out an inexperience rookie to strikeout. Then keep a gassed Schiraldi in too long, and keep a hobbled Buckner at first when you had a defensive replacement ready to go (one he used in each of their 7 playoff wins that year). Them in game 7, send Schiraldi out AGAIN after a brilliant Bruce Hurst performance to get shlacked and lose the lead.
Clemens definitely didn't ask out of the 86 World Series.
You can clearly see him with a helmet on getting a bat when he was pinch hit for...
Strange behavior for someone who "asked out of the game"
@@dukedematteo1995 lots of bad stuff you can say about Clemens in hind sight but he seems like he would want to pitch in the WS even if his arm was falling off
@@SmoothCriminal12 in McNamara's (and Clemens) defense. Clemens had thrown about 140 pitches through 7 innings.
I get he's the Rocket, he's only 23, could have went longer... but that is a lot of pitches.
@dukedematteo1995 That’s today pitcher-coddling nonsense talking. 140 was not even remotely uncommon back then.
are you jorkin it @8:16?
He was a cheating juicer. Hitting batters knowing he never had to face pitching in the American league cuzz of DH.
You know what's stupid though? Jeff Bagwell clearly was on the ROIDS as was Mike Piazza. None of those guys should be in the hall. What I hate is that Bonds and Clemens are used as poster boys getting all the blame, but all those cheaters should not be in the hall by any means!! Casual fans don't know, but my buddy Brent Iddon who played in the minor leagues regularly saw pro baseball players using steroids, saying that virtually 80% of players he met were on some kind of substance in the late 90s. This is the hypocrisy and bullshit of the MLB thanks to Bud Selig valuing bullshit homeruns to bring in fans over the integrity and history of the game.
@@robertsmith2088 You can't forget Sosa. He gets treated just as badly and there is some arguable proof that he wasn't on the juice but only used juiced bats. Then to a lesser extent you have Palmero as well.
@@General_Junkie I can't find any compelling reason why Sosa would not have been on the juice. The easiest way to see that he was on steroids is by simply looking at his unusually disproportionate muscle mass in his upper body, which showed his muscles to be "full" and "bloated". If you compare him in the late 90s to his physical appearance in first and second year in the leagues you can tell his body underwent unusual rapid muscle development within a short period of time.
The point made by my friend who played in the minor leagues during the steroid era though, is supposed to illustrate the fact that most professional baseball players in the U.S., let alone major league sluggers were on some kind of PED.
And one thing that should be known about a lot of baseball players in the big leagues is that they are not the most scrupulous type of people in the world.
We already saw an entire organisation stay mum, save for one person about using technology to steal signs with many players not admitting to the scheme despite clear evidence. Therefore, it would not be too farfetched to imagine a bunch of professional baseball players using PEDs at the time while MLB did nothing to dissuade players from using such substances.
To give you are little bit better known name of someone who was on PEDs who you may not have originally associated it with is Gabe Kapler, who clearly was on steroids despite not ever being known as a home run hitter.
@@robertsmith2088They should all be in the hall of fame. They didn't have rules against peds and when they put a rule in there was no punishment. When they started testing players they didn't suspend anyone for being positive.
@@brawndothirstmutilator5863 Regardless of whether MLB had provisions in place to penalise players for PED usage or not, they all knew what they were doing was wrong and Bud Selig definitely knew that what he was doing was wrong.
Otherwise the Mitchell Report wouldn't have blown up baseball as much as it did, and we wouldn't have well-established rules in place today strictly penalising juicers.
Great video! Does anyone know how he makes those killer thumbnails? That cartoon effect?
"If not all time." He has the most pitching WAR of all time, so I'd say he was one of the most dominant pitchers of all time.
That’s quite literally what he’s saying
No pitcher has had a better career than Clemens. It's not even close either.
He cheated. Next?
@@d.l.d.l.8140 yes, he is accused of using PEDs, for 3 half seasons...second half of 1999, 2000 and 2001.
You could remove those entire years from his career and he'd still have the best numbers ever....by a mile.
@@d.l.d.l.8140i hope your not a fan of professional sports bcuz they all cheat buddy. thinking otherwise is just being naive
I was a Clemens fan, but then he went and took steroids. Not only to avoid the accusation by lying, he threw his wife under the bus by claiming the drugs were hers.
Roger Clemens is not an "outcast of the game". He worked for the Astros for quite a while. He jumps in the booth here and there at Redsox and Houston games, and he's been doing a lot of podcasts and interviews in the online baseball circuit.
He's still very popular in Texas especially.
Unlike Bonds, he doesn't bitch and moan about getting snubbed for the Hall. And when the old guard dies off, he'll get in the Hall, hopefully while he's still alive.
He ended with 65% of the vote....meaning a substantial majority of writers found him worthy. Kudos to them for not succumbing to a moral panic.
Boston sportswriters crucified Clemens every little chance they could get to tear him down, as they did with another star Red Sox, Jim Rice, who would also neither take shi from them, nor kiss their ass. Albert Belle was the worst MLB victim of vulture baseball media that I can remember tho
@@earlpipe9713Jim Rice WAS a bad ass. Clemens is just a bully and an entitled asshole. If he gets in, all of the steroid players should get in along with him...and Big Papi who is already in the Hall despite testing positive for PEDs.
@@dukedematteo1995 He is an outcast. He dishonored the game. We have so many people worshipping failed people because they cheated for THEIR team. You have failed, morally. Not too late for you.
@@d.l.d.l.8140and having sex with an underage girl.
@dukedematteo1995 Bonds drew 66% in his final year on the ballot. What’s your point? NOBODY belongs in the hall if Bonds doesn’t. Get over yourself and your irrational Bonds hatred.
I understand why you did it. But you should have touched on the Mindy McCready problem. She was well under 18 when they had their lengthy affair. It was an open secret and I believe the media held this against him as well. No one believes the defence that was given but Clemens and due to the age of MM, this also kept him out of the Hall.
Mr. Historian, if I may be so bold… you are a better looking Jerry Seinfeld.
That’s more of an insult than a compliment if you ask me
Not that there's anything wrong with that
@@TyrannoJoris_Rex Jerry is a very handsome guy….. was
@@Struzzzmann When? All photo and video evidence suggests otherwise...
@@TyrannoJoris_Rex I’m talking like, 93’ Jerry, not now Jerry.
The Terry Cooney incident sums it up. Afraid of the A's, he forced Cooney to eject him. A coward among cowards, rocket's racket was just that.
He had an offer from the Red Sox in 07 if he had signed with them he would have gotten that ring with the Red Sox.
Thank god Clemens didn't sign with Boston then, I would have hated to see him get a ring in beantown.
Similar to Pete Rose, there was nothing but denials, in the face of overwhelming evidence. The last part is key.
PED use, be it HGH/steroids.
End of story!
Sure players like Bonds and Clemens would both have been shoe-ins into the HOF without steroids, but cheating is cheating. If you let in cheaters you destroy the integrity of the game, be it directly or tacitly. The game of baseball is more important than a few cheaters who took the risk, and are now paying the price.
You've got to the nut of it. The other PED guys wouldn't have been considered for the HoF w/o their ill-gotten achievements, but Barry Bonds and Roger Clements had done enough for the HoF before their PED issues (exact use dates unknown).
I think the records they set work against them for consideration.
More single season HR than Maris or Babe? No, cheater.
More career HR than the Hammer or Babe? No, cheater.
More Cy Youngs than the Big Unit, Mad Dog, or Carlton? No, cheater.
If they had had career achievements that didn't surpass all others, maybe the HoF would have been within their reach.
I am no fan of Clemens or Bonds because they were just terrible people from my experience. However ... there was no rule in baseball making steroids or growth hormones illegal until after the Canseco book. So was it cheating? I would say no because there were a lot (wish I knew an exact percentage) of players using them -- batters and pitchers. MLB let it slide because it put butts in the stands, and then when congress says, "what is all this" the owners become saints and pretend it was a complete shock to them ... LOL
Roger took every “shot” he could to become successful. In retrospect his temperament is easier to understand given what we know about roid rage.
Who's that player at 21:20? He's so familiar, but I just can't remember his name. Ah, never mind, I saw someone randomly mention his name in the comments. Andy Pettite.
it's simple - He took PED's - Why should he be among the ranks of Vida Blue, Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax, Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton, Jim Palmer? He cheated in a way that gave him an unfair advantage against his contemporaries. IMHO - this is worse than the Pete Rose issue - Gambling is an addiction, and while I agree with the lifetime ban placed upon Pete, his gambling never effected his playing, PED's do effect performance.
It’s not only that, he’s a liar and won’t admit it. AND Vida Blue should be in. When Roger admits he is a filthy cheater, they can let him is when he’s dead. Same with Bonds.
@@BringingTheHeat-VBC Vida blue won the MVP as a Pitcher, the Cy Young, and 3 world series rings without taking PED's. Clemens can rot in hell for all I care, he cheated, for years, and that should NEVER be rewarded.
You forgot one key thing….. in 2000. Yankees signed Conseco along with his trainer. He went to Houston and took Pettite with him and when he came back to NY Pettite followed.
Nothing about his biggest controversy? His relationship with an underage Mindy McCready? She was only 15 years old. How can you ignore this?
@markj9267 McCreedy denied sexual contact until she was 18 or 20. Still kinda gross but not illegal.
She was also nuts and might be a bit unreliable.
@@dukedematteo1995 you go ahead and defend the indefensible. it should have been mentioned.
@markj9267 You think an outright falsehood should have been mentioned?
McCreedy herself said they didn't start a physical affair until she was 18 - 20 years old.
@@dukedematteo1995the sad thing is, guys like mark end up on a jury and think they have to vote guilty, no matter what the evidence shows
@rancidcrawfish I think the sad thing is guys like you will defend a man who is clearly in the wrong & who could care less about whether you exist or not. And for what lmao? Get some integrity & stop embarrassing yourself.
An outro music montage with Billy Joel's "Big Shot" would've been fitting.
Too bad he was such a narcissist. He could have still been first ballot. IMO 'roids weren't illegal at the time, so....?
I’m 65 and a life-long Red Sox fan. I always thought Clemens was an arrogant jerk. No HOF.
Ya right. Liar
I don't care how he acted on the field or what he did in his personal life. I don't know him personally, I just watched him pitch from the beginning of his career, and he was hell of a pitcher, and was exciting to watch.
Right but he kill everything with his arrogance and steroids like Bonds
@axelagosto5196 All of that has absolutely nothing to do with me. When he is throwing a shutout, I don't sit there and think he is arrogant and on steroids. The same thing with the rest of the players.
Without the roids Clemens would NEVER have won as many games. I saw him in 1994 in Fenway and he was washed up. Knocked out by the 5th inning. He hides out up in Toronto (in the U.S. if you go to Canada, you're hiding out...sorry to my Canadian friends) and all of a sudden he's a total fireballer again. He was NEVER gonna make the Hall. And then he tries to play tough guy by throwing at hitters all of the time.
He was a bum!
As someone who used to live in Houston, it's pronounced San Hacinto cause, you know, it's Spanish.
As a fellow Texan from El Paso our Downtown Plaza is named San Jacinto which I thank you for correcting the pronouncing of the name. I also commented to throw in an awesome coincidence because San Jacinto plaza in El Paso was famous for having live Alligators on display. Now a statue is in place in honor.
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@@rg1649 uh huh. Congrats on figuring out how communication works. Good for you.
Key word "used to". Everyone here says San Jacinto with a J, but aren't lost on the silent J in the Spanish language. It's just a regional thing here. Perhaps you weren't originally from Houston
@@birthgravy h is silent in Spanish. J sounds like the English H.
Cy Young Award is meaningless. Clemens has the most - Nolan Ryan, NOLAN RYAN, has none…Fuck the CYA…
Yeah but look at the stats and tell me how many Cy Young awards Nolan Ryan was robbed of. You can be one of the best players of all time and not win a Cy Young. The award is not meaningless at all. It’s awarded for the pitcher with the best season , not necessarily the best pitcher in baseball. I mean by your logic the MVP award is meaningless cause Ken Griffey JR only won 1 of them. And he was absolutely robbed 2 times when he was in his prime. Did the sports writers get it wrong fuck yes they did but they don’t always get it wrong. So no that award is not meaningless
IT's not a meaningless award, but it's definitely not the best measure of a pitcher's overall value, as there are many pitchers who had better seasons than their counterparts who won Cy young awards, yet unfortunately were in a stacked league of pitchers who they had to compete for cy young awards against and would lose to due to the cy young award placing more importance on wins rather than advanced stats such as WHIP, WAR or WS like they do now.
But Clemens was an impressive pitcher for a very long time. But I cannot put him ahead of Pedro, or Greg Maddux for his era. I would argue Clemens was the best for his era in terms of longevity with Randy Johnson second to him. But in their primes I would not put anyone ahead of Pedro Martinez other than Sandy Koufax.
The reason why Pedro tops the list is because he absolutely dominated during the steroid era in a hitter friendly ballpark while owning virtually the greatest ERA+ stat in mlb history, aside from Carl Hubell who no one knew.
The Reason clemens falls behind Maddux and Martinez however, is due to his higher walk ratio which affected his WHIP.
Pedro also owns the top 3 Batting Average against pitchers in MLB history only behind Sandy Koufax and Nolan Ryan.
Roger Clemens was the first pro athlete I looked up to as a kid, he was the man in my eyes. I wanted to be him when I grew up. Glad I didn't, but he was one hell of a pitcher, even just considering his Boston tenure.
Based solely on statistics, there's really not a reason he shouldn't be in there.
But based on the fact that he used PEDs, he's unworthy of the Hall.
Clemens will get in it's just a matter of time and add up the stats that did not have any enhancements,he still is one of the best!!!!
That's what you say about barry to huh
@@4thand3 Yes Barry Bonds had hall of fame stats before also
He was loud and arrogant and he hit a lot of batters but you know what - he never had to face pitches thrown at his head in the batter's box. Pretty easy to be a bad ass when you know you never have to face the consequences. That sounds like the definition of a punk.
A telegram? After the year 1920? 😂😂😂😂😂
Telegrams were often used as official communiques well into the 2000s, often as a means of passing highly important messages between governments or news organizations, and even had a bit of a prestigious appearance due to its rarity in everyday communications. It wasn't uncommon at all for elected officials to pass along a message to people with telegrams, especially in scenarios where a phone call wouldn't be practical. Hell, when I was in Marine Corps boot camp in late 1994, everyone in my platoon was instructed to send a telegram to our parents during the holidays.
excellent job exposing everything that MLB has always suppressed... and still doesn't want to talk about... thanks to Jose Canseco's great book
She was 15...😢
You must be referring to the allegations of Mindy McCreedy. I find that as bad or worse than the steroid allegations, but they are just unproven rumors, I guess.
When i was young i honestly just assumed he was chunky, not built. But his frame seems to be pretty common for top tier pitchers. Whereas hitters often look like super heroes, pitchers typically look like they just came from the bar.
He shortened Piazza’s and other players careers. He decided to cheat to grow his ego so large as to overshadow the league after he already was likely a HOF. His kids names start with K because of his ego. He’s a monster. And I believe he should never be enshrined in the hall. If you want to build a Hall of Infamy I’d support his induction.
Wow , I think reading this childish drivel killed some of my brain cells.by the sheer amount of nonsense.
Well said.
He never shortened Piazza's career. That's incorrect and fake news. Don't know what your smoking. Piazza owned him though for sure although you comment doesn't mention that truth.
@@user-fp5do5ie3p stop. The cheaters ended many careers of players who were either hanging on the the big leagues or trying to get to the bigs. The cheaters like a Roger got big contracts and hurt the -layers who didn’t cheat. Simple as that.
I disliked him when he played for the Red Sox. He was a headhunter and there was that time when he didn't give an autograph to a man, who was special needs. Clemens threw hot dog rolls at the reporter that wrote the story. He totally and completely redeemed himself when he won the 2007 World Series for the Red Sox by going back to the Yankees. He supposedly tried to choose between the Yankees and the Red Sox. 28m made the decision easier. That and the fact that he said that he wanted to go into Cooperstown with a Yankees hat. Players don't get to make that decision anymore thanks to former Red Sox teammate Wade Boggs' decision to don a Devil Rays cap at Cooperstown.
Imagine this title about Roy Halliday...
Don’t recall him burning though
@@TyrannoJoris_Rex close enough tho
8:18 “Has this ever happened to you, bored…?”
_(Shows a guy erking off under a blanket.)_
*Yes, thats definitely happened to me and every guy…*
He ruined his legacy with his steroid use. He became a steroid cheat.
every single star player was at that point, you might as well write off & ignore the entirety of pro baseball after the 70s if steroids play such a large factor in determining it's worthiness
only in your eyes and the eyes of the naive and uneducated
@@earlpipe9713 Derek Jeter was a clean athlete. This " every single star player" was using narrative is nonsense!!
@@philb.1502terrible take kid even hank aaron used stimulants they were called greenies. Sports are all tainted.
@Youralwayswhining4367 Steroids aren't the same as "greenies".
Jesus. Newsweek wrote that article about clemens sept 10 2001.
The next day.....
You didn't mention his relationship with a minor
Mention a debunked and disproven nothingburger? Why, so the video could be even more biased without justification?
@ 1:30 Why did you show a scene of people traveling on the Pennsylvania Turnpike approaching one of its tunnels located in the middle of the state when discussing Clemens’ mother “packed her kids into the car and left [her husband] for good”, when they dudn’t even more out of Ohio at the time? 🧐
Isn't he essentially the pitching version of Barry Bonds? Steroid jokes aside, it seems like Roger by default has to be the best pitcher ever. At the very least mentioned in the same breath with Maddux and Randy.
Building off of the Clemens/Bonds analogy. If Clemens was Bonds(a once in a lifetime talent whose use of steroids and personality will forever taint how we view them); Maddox is Ken Griffey Jr. Beloved by fans during their prime and even moreso now. Their personality and ability to stay clean has allowed their legacies to flourish, while Bonds and Clemens are fading away- sadly.
Pedro doing what he did, and actually had the best statistical season in history, in the middle of the steroid era. Not that other era's were better. Since the 40s everyone used amphetamines and took everything that would make them stronger or recover quicker. And why not? They were like supplements to them
@@m.o.5291 Peak Pedro was unreal. Even Pedro in 2004 was still better than most of his contemporaries. I'd argue if Red Sox games were on a network like TBS(like the Braves), Pedro would be more beloved. The fact he pitched 9 perfect innings is a feat in itself.
Cheaters never win. Roger, Alex, Barry, Mark, Sammy, Brett, Andy, Ryan, Jose… all of them huge cheaters. Fuck em all ….
Used to love baseball but the whole steroid epidemic broke my enjoyment. It was so obvious Bonds, McGuire, Conseco, Sosa & many more were taking something. Bonds was arguably the most obvious. An average sized guy 180 lbs to suddenly 220 lbs & not having a neck. Everything was focused on these cheaters & it sucked.
WRONG! 👎🏽
Bonds was more hated ‼️
Albert Belle was the most hated of that era, due to the media smearing him at every turn due to him being unwilling to play their fukkfukk games. You hardly ever even his name mentioned despite him consistently having some of the greatest hitters #s
@@earlpipe9713 WRONG! 👎🏽
Bonds was more hated ‼️
Belle was hated, but not as much as Bonds, imo ✌🏽
He is an all time great, not hated; but some believe the media. He was a big solid guy, but he was much smaller than Frank Thomas. He wasn't built like a steroid user, he never failed a drug test, he never claimed to use steroids; the accusation was merely that. An accusation. Tossing a bit of bat that came at him to the side and it went a bit further than expected but didn't hit Mike Piazza (who's more likely a steroid user than Clemens, but that got ignored and he still went HOF.)
25:46 This is an outright lie, Canseco NEVER claimed Clemens used steroids.
A lot of guys who used steroids got in the Hall, such as David Ortiz and such. Ortiz even admitted it. But it all depends on if the media voters like you, they didn’t like Clemens and Bonds. The Hall is a load of crap.
- Pitchers in the 90's: It's my 130th pitch... no problem with pitching one more inning to finish the game.
- Modern pitchers: It'S mY 54th piTcH On ThE 1st InnIng, Me NeeDs TJ.
cringy af dude
Shhhh! There’s a lot of doctors getting very very rich off all these players getting their arms cut up constantly, over and over again. Don’t rock the corrupt boat my friend..
Although I'm from the UK I lived for a number of years in New England and grew to love baseball in the late 90s onwards. Anyway I'm talking to a guy who was one of the most considered baseball fans that I knew about Roger Clemens... At this time I think he was at the Yankees although it might have been the Blue Jays, anyway the point was it was after he left Boston and he was firmly of the belief when Clemens retired the Cy Young trophy would be renamed after him and this wasn't someone who was in any way hyperbolic. Its so very sad to see that his legacy has been so damaged at this point that, now even the Hall of Fame is beyond his reach..(but then again I picture him in pinstripes and I am a good deal cooler with it!)
The Baseball HOF will be a joke until it lets Barry and Roger in.
Don't cheat.
@@delllaptop6958plenty of players that have cheated are in the hall. Most of the players who played from the 40s-70s were on meth.
Curt Schilling as well.
And Mark and Pete, and Rodriguez
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Roger a Legend and a great guy..but only when he played for my Yankees.
I also "thought it was the ball" that he was throwing at Mike Piazza feet
Clemens & Bonds should be in the hof. Either remove their records or have them in. Makes no sense that you look at the all time statistics and neither are in.
Bull shit. Ban all the cheaters.. forever
Clemens was a great pitcher.
I hope that he and Barry Bonds will get together often and discuss why neither of them will ever get close to Cooperstown.
He was The Rocket and kicked balls. Don't be a dork trying to change his history of being one of the best.
Preach. Roger was a BMF
Thanks to the steroids.
@@k.s.nichols4060 Yeah,,because steroids give you late movement,keep your mechanics straight,give you command of the strike zone, drop on your split and make the ball tougher to pick up out of your hand,right? All of those cy youngs before p.e.d's mean nothing ,right?...
Smells of didn't watch the video.
Roided out
I didn't know Clemens was originally drafted by the Mets.
The universe where he stayed with the Mets and was coached by Bob Gibson probably ends with Clemens being banned for life for killing someone with a pitch...