Watching the saga again as an adult made me realise how selfish Bella is; how unhealthy her relationship and obsession with Edward, and becoming a vampire is. Her selfishness has been so cruel and unfair on Charlie and Jacob. It also kind of mind-boggles me how Jacob is blind to the fact that Bella leads him on.
It was implied bella was having a death wish riding motorcycles and jumping off the cliff. She only got edward "talking" to her when her adrenaline was thru the roof or very scared. Edward was NOT there. She was delusional. Also Bella was in despair. She wasn't eating and having nightmares(barely sleeping) . Lack of sleep has been known to make people act a lil crazy.
I agree but thing of this Edward left for no reason and didn't give her any imfo on were he was until Alice came to the rescue but Edward is way better for Bella because the chance of Jake can lose control very easily and Edward has control of his powers and his thrist for blood and Jake has no control over his anger and is very dangerous
Kathy Morrow edward left to protect her (even tho i don’t see how him leaving could protect her seeing as he’s literally got powers and can defend her easily) but he leaves to protect her after seeing how easily jasper lost control and knew bella could get hurt easily
Exactly I feel the same way, Ik the movies can only show us but so much but I honestly feel that outside of the pack Jacobs home life should have been another dynamic that they should have showed, like give him more depth and a sense of a support system for him outside of his feelings for bella and his connection to the pack, because between the lack of interaction in the film with Jacob embry, quil and then even his sisters it really diluted his back ground and what his character should have been outside the live triangle.
Honestly I feel like it wouldn’t be so akward. Her and her family aren’t normal people and don’t experience normal human behaviors. She could understand considering that he will have to explain imprinting and all that.
jacob deservers his own twilight franchise, jacobs innocence means purity, hes extraordinary, real symbolism of a real man , i hope it will happen soon
Honestly Bella always feared aging and dieing. Suddenly she meets a vampire that can live forever which is something she’s always wanted. I think she used through most of the series Edward for that. Yes she may love him but a main factor of their relationship was him turning her. Jacob would have been who she fell for if Edward hadn’t shown up or come back.
I think if vampires and werewolves didn’t exist then Bella would’ve never met Edward. Since he would’ve died from the Spanish Influenza. Bella still would’ve gone to live in Forks since she moved because of her mom. And her and Jacob would’ve both been human. Jacob would’ve never phased into a wolf. So the whole imprinting thing wouldn’t have existed. So, I think technically Jacob and Bella were supposed to end up together. Bella says it in Eclipse. That her choice between Edward and Jacob was between who she was and who she was supposed to be. If she was who she was supposed to be; then her soulmate would’ve been Jacob.
I disagree. Bella is spossed to be with Edward. Even though vampires and werewolves doen't exist in our world, they do in theirs. Its Edward. Its always been Edward. She also said that.
@@elizabethhuizinga6096 Disagree. She also said that if none of that existed, she was sure that she was meant to be with Jacob and have a regular life with him My point is that she was technically supposed to be with Jacob. If things were the way they were supposed to be (no supernatural), she would’ve ended up with Jacob. The only reason she ends up with Edward is because the supernatural exists. My whole point was saying if the supernatural didn’t exist, she would’ve been with Jacob. 🤦♀️
@@brookejohnson8289 Yeah. I know. You obviously didn’t get my point. I’m just saying if they lived in a world with no supernatural, she would’ve ended up with Jacob. She mentions this too. She says that if they lived in a world without werewolves and vampires that she would’ve ended up with Jacob. That’s why Jacob mentions that being with him is as easy as breathing. Because they were supposed to be together. If they had lived in a normal world. . In the book, in her thoughts; she agrees with him but doesn’t say it to him.
@@paulagonzalez5286 Yeah that makes sense I was just saying that in their world Edward is spossed to be with her. Sorry, I am not a big fan of Jacob for some reason.
QueenDej well she was kinda falling for him until she found out he haven’t imprinted on her and she had to realize that that’s what Sam did to Leah dump her for the person he imprinted on
They need to bring out another book/film where it’s like 10/15 years into the future, I wanna see how the Cullen family are doing and to see if there’s a half human half wolf half vampire baby, that would be so good to watch/read
That would be detrimental to the fans! Writers (source or screen) are oddly unimaginative when it comes to telling the story down the road a decade or more. The only way they seem to be able to do it, or at least the vast majority, is to undue everything they tied up nicely with bows during the original story/saga. Writers mess up prequels by changing characters at a basic level (intentions, character, beliefs, core values). They allow timelines to diverge to a point that they cannot be brought back into alignment with the original story. Writers mess up sequels because they think the only way to tell the next story is to undue the previous story. Diminishing victories and destroying the core of a character so that they regress or change who they are, unnaturally. Occasionally they mess up timelines as well. I do not understand how you have a rich universe, compelling characters, and so many opportunities and decide unraveling is your best option. If you want to tell more Harry Potter stories then develop a new character with a new story. Bring back favorites, but not as fan service, but as characters that fit into the story. Mentors, guides, flashbacks, or a peripheral character whose presence/position makes sense. Your new character could be a student at Hogwarts when Harry was headmaster and Harry would only enter the story as Dumbledore did. Not as a central, but a peripheral character. Writers should only do this if: 1. They have a story to tell. 2. They have a 'new,' non-central character from the original story to develop. 3. Caveat to #2 using Twilight Saga as example would be to tell say Alice's and Jasper's story or Carlisle's story. Other characters could play a part as long as you a) don't focus on Bella and Edward again and b) have a story to tell about said character that is separate from the Bella and Edward story. Of course, Carlisle's story could include Edward, but based on their story/relationship. Setting it a few decades before Edward and Bella met would be best to remove temptation. Most importantly, do not screw up existing characters, their stories or their timelines. Character growth does not mean to tear them apart to the point of being despicable so they can grow. It is too easy ro destroy the character. I mean, look what JJ's disciples have done to Galadriel in Rings of Power. Their character assassination was thorough and so very heartbreaking. In their efforts to drag her down so they could build her up, they destroyed her. One of the most powerful elves in Middle Earth with wisdom from 1000's of years, ability to see into other creatures hearts and powe that required no sword or classic weapon has been reduced to a moody teenager with a sword and no comprehension of diplomacy. Their Galadriel, no matter how much character growth they insinuate will ever be able to mesh into Galadriel of Lord of the Rings. In Rings of Power, Galadriel threatens a prisoner with torture, then promises the genocide of his people (children) while he languishes in prison. Once she kills every last one she will tell him they are gone before she kills him in prison. How can she ever become the Lady of Light? People can be forgiven for their transgressions, but once you let so much darkness in there is no way to be a spiritual beacon of light that guides others. Examples follow. While there are tons of examples to chose from, I picked a couple that were easily explained for non fans. I know this is a different (fan) crowd and the evil mouse empire has their fingerprints all over it, but it hits every stupid beat of a sequel. We are just looking at the first of 3 films and the screenwriter's choices. Star Wars trilogy if you haven't guessed. There are spoilers if that is possible anymore, but fair warning. 1. Princess Leah and Hans Solo built up their romance and then strengthened their love through 3 films. A happily ever after, come what may, because they had proven they could face anything. JJ decides we need drama, so we will take this happily ever after and pull them apart. Even though Han was a General and on the right side of the law at the end of 4-6, JJ decided he needed to be a smuggler again that walked out on his family. Boy did they ever mess up Leah and Hans families. Then we need more drama. 2. Let's take the most hopeful person in that universe and make him a grumpy old man that hides from responsibility. Yes, and the one that saw the good in Darth Vader (killer of planets worth of beings) and had to save him, saw a momentary flicker of darkness in his nephew (child) and decided to kill him. Even that is not enough, so.... 3. That excellent victory and defeat of the emperor was fleeting, because...well, they never actually explain why it fell apart so fast again. Yet, they are fighting some version of the evil emperor they had defeated only 20 years down the road. I get that is a similar timeline between WWI and WWII, but a plausible explanation is required. Another example would be The Cursed Child. While Rowling did not write it, she foolishly made it cannon. It undid so many people from the Harry Potter series. Just why? Their are other options.
some people say that Jacob wasn't a good friend to Bella by always trying to guilt her because of her decisions but can you blame him?! Her boyfriend left her and Jacob was there for her, being her friend, helping her out of her freaking depression and making her smile again so of course he'd seem hurt and angry when Bella is so quick to leave jacob to go help Edward. Yes he was angry at almost every decision she made but that's only because almost every decision she made was a danger to herself and he was trying to make sure that she didn't make a regrettable decision.
It's because Bella never told Jacob that if she dated him, she'd be settling. She never told him that her heart would always belong to Edward, even if Edward didn't want her, she would never want anyone but Edward. She made this clear in new moon to the reader. But she failed to make this clear to Jake so that's why jacob believes he has a chance when Vella always knew Jacob never had a chance. The problem isn't Bella choosing Edward, that's fine, the problem is she strung Jacob along and wasn't honest with him
They could’ve avoided the whole imprinting on a baby debacle if they just had Jacob run away for a few months after Bella’s death instead. Then he could’ve come back still thinking Bella was dead and ready to kill Edward and instead see her alive with Ragnarok grown into an adult, they lock eyes and it happens.
"It's very hard for him to be away from (Renesmee), so he stays at the Cullen house." Sooo...in other words, he's just literally became the family pet? AND he has a favorite owner.
We want to know ho was the first vampire in twilight and how he was created . And ho turned aro like if u agreed. Edit: because we never really saw the history of vampires in twilight we didn't learn alot about them like other series for example vampire diaries the first vampires ther was turned by a witch
i agree with you :). i don't think Amun from the Egyptian it the first vampire ever made, but i do know that he is one of the oldest. even older then the volturi. who are over 3 thousand years. :).
I’m making a Fanfic that pretty much focuses on the Volturi, but I’ve retconned a lot of the vampire stuff.(No. More. SPARKLES!)😎 And I thought it’d be cool if the vampires were created from an actual Curse.😈 With a tragic and heartwarming backstory as to why “The First One” was cursed to be a Vampire in the first place. As well as fleshing out the connection of Vampires & Werewolves (Aka, the children of the moon.) 🤓 I’m still in the Research process though,😅 (Mythological & Supernatural kitchen sink, here I come.)🤩 All in all I’m having fun with it.🥰
Its in the Breaking Dawn book somewhere during book 2 in Jacob's prospective. Edward thinks it's better if Bella carried Jacob's child and refers to it as "puppies" which Jacob is deeply sickened and grossed with the idea but a little tempted even though he knows it'd never happen. He also in the book tells Bella about it- in the movie it wasnt mentioned for some reason which is why books are better.
It's only part of the books. Edward thinks, that Bella should not miss out on being a mother (probably because he knows how much his sister suffers due to that) but also doesn't want her to be killed by his own child, so he asks Jacob to impregnate Bella because Jacob is human and that baby would be like any other and no threat to Bellas life. I found it weird as well and I'm kinda glad they excluded that part in the movies
Jacob brought her up after Edward broke her heart and offered her unconditional love and safety but all she did was manipulate and use him. Jacob deserved better, and he could have done a lot better than her
youre the only person doing this on youtube. THANK YOU! this is long over due. Please go more in detail about wolves around the world and how the volturi made a few packs go extinct
so in the future once nessie is grown , her and jacob will be together , she could have a child sense she is half human , she could have a boy and then name their child JR, jacob and rense, becoming a hybrid between a half human half vampire wolf baby
Alexander Russell that’s not true. the other hybrid clearly stated he could live off blood OR human food even when he became immortal. she will always have human blood running through her veins
I thought Bella and Jacob been met way before she moved back to forks, I mean he did said “we use to make mud pies when we were little” and Bella says “oh yeah I remember” 🤔
Kinda...In the book it says they don’t remember each other but Bella remembers playing with his sisters when she was little tho. They didn’t officially meet in the book until the la push part.
Well it will all depend on Renesmee feelings. If she feels for him in a romantic way than he will also be there. But if she feelings as frnd or brother or protector he will be there for that too. He will never force. And I really want their love story and I am saying this becoz I have my specific reasons.
true because Taylor Lautner wasn't anywhere near the description in the books. In the books Jacob was very strong and very tall, he towered over Edward.
alexander kuntz maybe not in height but from New Moon and on in terms of build Taylor definitely fit the description enough for a cinema adaptation. It may not look crazy impressive like Dwayne Johnson or something but for someone who’s supposed to be like 16 that’s insane shape and conditioning to be in. I think any more muscle and Jacob would’ve looked a little odd.
Apart from the random slip ups lol this was really fun to watch. After breaking everything down I really do hope at some point Twilight gets adapted into a television series there's plenty of content to do so, and I feel like there's so much great plot, and background stories of characters to. be spoken/touched upon to be a full fledged show because outside the of the love triangle there's a lot of great lore, like honestly I'm happy for what the movies were able to give us but even little increment things like showing Jacobs actual relationship with quil and embry or even showing Jacobs family dynamic and the roles his sisters played was really lacking considering Jacob was a driving ploy for most of the franchise I feel like he needed to be allowed to have more depth (which he did have) out side of his feelings for bella. this video just really got me even more excited for Aug 4th but in terms of production I hope twilight is able to find its way to a screen again through some way shape or form.
Bella really did have the best intentions for baby names, but horrible execution. Renesmee, really? I mean, Carlie was normal, and that's just Carlisle and Charlie together, why couldn't that be her first name instead of her middle name?
@@ghstparalysis I think it's a stupid name. Bella whines and complains about the nickname "Nessie" but so many people will make fun of a name like Renesmee and some people even have mispronounced it.
I've personally never liked how they portrayed the werewolves in twilight, but the movies aren't bad persay. Jacob as a character is a pretty good one all be it.
I know it’s confusing but Jacob isn’t a werewolf like the knock off Teen Wolf. Jacob Black is a shapeshifter that turns into the animal which is a wolf and he is still human. Werewolves(Children of the Moon) are Demons(Damned)like Vampires able to turn humans through bite venom infection except shapeshifting humans who can’t be turned into Demons because of the tribal magic in their bodies and souls.
They should create another movie and in this movie bella chose jacob over edward and what would happen to them, are there others wolf like the volturi, will they gonna start a war and stuff like that Like if u aggree😌
Team Jacob! Jacob and Angela were Bella’s true friends! I’m actually glad that Jacob didn’t end up with Bella because I think she’s too selfish of a person to be with kindhearted Jacob!
Well I guess werewolf's exact meaning is when a person turns into wolf then they are callef werevolves. So whatever they are shapeshifter or change themselves at moon they are consider as werewolves only.
haha ikr, he was pretty desperate. In the books he wasn't as flat out open about it, he just said something along the lines of "she could have any normal baby she wanted, she could even have puppies"
@@sbasu3922 Its written in Breaking Dawn story 2 with Jacob's prospective- Edward brings up the idea of Jacob getting Bella pregnant and having babies or as Edward refers to as "puppies" but deep down Jacob knows it will never happen and is deeply grossed and sickened but slightly tempted because she would be able to live. They don't really mention it in the movie but check it out in the book
@@VillainApologist_ no lol it seems that way because they only cover it briefly in the films. In the book he has no desires toward her except making her happy and keeping her safe. When they discover that she'll be full grown in 6.5 years, Edward mentions to Bella how impress he was that Jacob never thought about her in that way or showed excitement over the shorten time that'd he have to wait for her. Embry also imprinted on a 2 yo. While she grows he's mostly just a great baby sitter. They have no romantic desires towards them. Just want them happy.
In the movie. In the books Edward introduces himself as Carlisle and Jacob assumes that's who it is. They don't realize it was actually Edward until Alice has her vision of him going to the Volturi.
Wait so edward and bella expect reneesme to end up with nahuel just because he’s like her? I mean i know that the imprintee can choose to be whatever they want the relationship to be with whoever imprints on them but still i highly doubt jacob will just give up after being so heartbroken by bella.
But Jacob will die eventually while Reneesme will live as half immortal/forever. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to believe after Jacob dies she will end up with Nahuel.
@USCAN14 Suppose Jacob ended full human for whatever reason. Cant Reneesme just turn him into a vampire? You know like Nahual turned his aunt Huilan into one.
I think the difference between the two here is that the traditional "werewolves" (or in the case of the Twilight series, "Children of the Moon") can only phase during full moons, whereas Jacob and the other pack members can phase at any time or as their emotions affect them
@@mclovin6505werewolves can only turn into wolf form during a full moon. While Jacob who is a shapeshifter can turn into wolf form at will. There is a big difference
That's how I remembered boboo Stewart as Seth Clearwater from this saga, and jay from Descendants. I had an brain explosion that the same actor that played Seth Clearwater also played jay from descendants.
What doesn’t sit right with me is Jacob was literally gonna go kill Renegade cuz he was still so in love with Bella and thought she was dead cuz of the baby, but then suddenly the imprint happens??? Stephanie Meyer was on some weird shit letting that happen💀 just let him kill renegade no biggie 🙄
@@aliciajones8713 He saved her for selfish purposes. Threatening to commit suicide, not asking for consent, and refusing no for an answer is very selfish and gross. Not to mention he planned to kill her daughter before he imprinted on her. He's gross
Connor Marsh he saved her for all the right reasons! Yes, he did fucked up shit. But Bella did way worse to him. He’s been in love with Bella ever since they were children. And she knew that! But she continued to play with his heart and leaned on him knowing that he would take it the wrong way. She manipulated him and fucked with his head. So of course he was gonna be denial about her feelings towards him and be frustrated and angry. I would be too if someone viciously lead me on like that. And plus, through the whole series, Jacob fought for humanity because if she was turned into a vampire, the pack would FORCE him to kill her and the cullens. He was trying to save her life DAILY.
Star McNeal you are trying to make her sins seem somewhat worse than his. How did she manipulate him? She’s too young to figure out love. She’s only 17. If she did manipulate it wasn’t intentional. Her heart belonged to Edward but she didn’t know it yet.
Well there’s a couple things wrong Jacob’s father was not handicapped by diabetes his father was aware wolf attacked him by mistake and made him crippled also Jake up was the true alpha of the pack but he gave his stance over to Sam because he didn’t want to have that much burden on him but I will give you a for effort there’s a couple things that have still been wrong but oh and Jacob’s grandfather was the last alpha and the last werewolf definitely a for effort
in his defense he saw vampires as bloodthirsty monsters (which in truth, most of them were) and the child therefor as a demon spawn… but ya, he's kinda messed up.
Jacob has been hurt so many time throughout the saga. He doesn't deserve all that pain
He thought he was imprinted on Bella when it was actually the child
I know he really doesn't deserve to be treated that way. I wish he would've imprinted on Angela or some other girl who wasn't a vampire.
Hhahahahahhahha lol
@@juliemcintyre428 Then she'd be dragged into that whole world.
@@FireMinstrel Emily and Kim were too and they're doing just fine.
Watching the saga again as an adult made me realise how selfish Bella is; how unhealthy her relationship and obsession with Edward, and becoming a vampire is.
Her selfishness has been so cruel and unfair on Charlie and Jacob. It also kind of mind-boggles me how Jacob is blind to the fact that Bella leads him on.
Shattap if you don't know what to say
Ikr!
The whole series is built on that bella is main character that's it
THIS!!! She is so so toxic. I wonder if she is like this in the book 😢
I hated her character so much, easily the reason why I didn't enjoy the movies.
It was implied bella was having a death wish riding motorcycles and jumping off the cliff. She only got edward "talking" to her when her adrenaline was thru the roof or very scared. Edward was NOT there. She was delusional. Also Bella was in despair. She wasn't eating and having nightmares(barely sleeping) . Lack of sleep has been known to make people act a lil crazy.
I agree but thing of this Edward left for no reason and didn't give her any imfo on were he was until Alice came to the rescue but Edward is way better for Bella because the chance of Jake can lose control very easily and Edward has control of his powers and his thrist for blood and Jake has no control over his anger and is very dangerous
Kathy Morrow edward left to protect her (even tho i don’t see how him leaving could protect her seeing as he’s literally got powers and can defend her easily) but he leaves to protect her after seeing how easily jasper lost control and knew bella could get hurt easily
@@isabellazamudio82 he left because he doesn't want the volturi to kill her if they find out about her
Sleep deprivation can cause hallucinations
@@kathymorrow4394 ok but Edward had more experience (literally almost 100 years) but Jacob was only 16 and he did not like his "powers"at first
Kinda unfortunate we barely saw Jacob's sisters in Breaking Dawn pt.1 . I would've loved to had seen some interactions between them at least .
He has a sister?
Absolutely, especially since Paul imprinted on her. I would have loved to see that interaction too.
@@mydadwenttogogetmilk3087 he has 2 sisters
@@mydadwenttogogetmilk3087 2 sisters . Rebecca and Rachel .
Exactly I feel the same way, Ik the movies can only show us but so much but I honestly feel that outside of the pack Jacobs home life should have been another dynamic that they should have showed, like give him more depth and a sense of a support system for him outside of his feelings for bella and his connection to the pack, because between the lack of interaction in the film with Jacob embry, quil and then even his sisters it really diluted his back ground and what his character should have been outside the live triangle.
Just imagine how awkward it would be for Renesmee knowing that Jacob (maybe her boyfriend) kissed her Mom O-O
Ikr! That'll be a awkward conversation 😬
Honestly I feel like it wouldn’t be so akward. Her and her family aren’t normal people and don’t experience normal human behaviors. She could understand considering that he will have to explain imprinting and all that.
Yup, that'd definitely be weird, but remember they never actually did kiss!
@@lauriemosman9984 yes they did
@@lauriemosman9984 yea that did
So..... Jacob is just continuously social distancing from Bella... GOOD JACOB
The best way to get the girl
Good adorable fluffy child! Social Distancing!
Lol
Are you the funniest???
They will still see each other
jacob deservers his own twilight franchise, jacobs innocence means purity, hes extraordinary, real symbolism of a real man , i hope it will happen soon
Honestly Bella always feared aging and dieing. Suddenly she meets a vampire that can live forever which is something she’s always wanted. I think she used through most of the series Edward for that. Yes she may love him but a main factor of their relationship was him turning her. Jacob would have been who she fell for if Edward hadn’t shown up or come back.
I’ve never thought about that. Maybe the karadashians should be vampires
I think if vampires and werewolves didn’t exist then Bella would’ve never met Edward. Since he would’ve died from the Spanish Influenza. Bella still would’ve gone to live in Forks since she moved because of her mom. And her and Jacob would’ve both been human. Jacob would’ve never phased into a wolf. So the whole imprinting thing wouldn’t have existed. So, I think technically Jacob and Bella were supposed to end up together. Bella says it in Eclipse. That her choice between Edward and Jacob was between who she was and who she was supposed to be. If she was who she was supposed to be; then her soulmate would’ve been Jacob.
It doesn’t work that way since there are vampires and werewolves, they’ve existed wayyyyy before Bella’s existence
I disagree. Bella is spossed to be with Edward. Even though vampires and werewolves doen't exist in our world, they do in theirs. Its Edward. Its always been Edward. She also said that.
@@elizabethhuizinga6096 Disagree. She also said that if none of that existed, she was sure that she was meant to be with Jacob and have a regular life with him
My point is that she was technically supposed to be with Jacob. If things were the way they were supposed to be (no supernatural), she would’ve ended up with Jacob. The only reason she ends up with Edward is because the supernatural exists. My whole point was saying if the supernatural didn’t exist, she would’ve been with Jacob. 🤦♀️
@@brookejohnson8289 Yeah. I know. You obviously didn’t get my point. I’m just saying if they lived in a world with no supernatural, she would’ve ended up with Jacob. She mentions this too. She says that if they lived in a world without werewolves and vampires that she would’ve ended up with Jacob. That’s why Jacob mentions that being with him is as easy as breathing. Because they were supposed to be together. If they had lived in a normal world. . In the book, in her thoughts; she agrees with him but doesn’t say it to him.
@@paulagonzalez5286 Yeah that makes sense I was just saying that in their world Edward is spossed to be with her. Sorry, I am not a big fan of Jacob for some reason.
I’m sad she didn’t end up with him, he was always there for her, yet she hurt him so many times. Sigh, they were cute together too 😔
Nah Jacob was a little arrogant. She was better with Edward.
Jacob would've been better off with Angela or even Jessica more than Bella or her spawn.
They'll still be together as Best friends
Nah your all wrong bella/alice for life baybay!
Jokes obviously... its bella/leah for sure.
QueenDej well she was kinda falling for him until she found out he haven’t imprinted on her and she had to realize that that’s what Sam did to Leah dump her for the person he imprinted on
They need to bring out another book/film where it’s like 10/15 years into the future, I wanna see how the Cullen family are doing and to see if there’s a half human half wolf half vampire baby, that would be so good to watch/read
That would be asome but things happen for reason
Would that be a werewolf vampire hybrid
@@Dariusfagnan
Werepire
That would be detrimental to the fans! Writers (source or screen) are oddly unimaginative when it comes to telling the story down the road a decade or more. The only way they seem to be able to do it, or at least the vast majority, is to undue everything they tied up nicely with bows during the original story/saga.
Writers mess up prequels by changing characters at a basic level (intentions, character, beliefs, core values). They allow timelines to diverge to a point that they cannot be brought back into alignment with the original story.
Writers mess up sequels because they think the only way to tell the next story is to undue the previous story. Diminishing victories and destroying the core of a character so that they regress or change who they are, unnaturally. Occasionally they mess up timelines as well.
I do not understand how you have a rich universe, compelling characters, and so many opportunities and decide unraveling is your best option. If you want to tell more Harry Potter stories then develop a new character with a new story. Bring back favorites, but not as fan service, but as characters that fit into the story. Mentors, guides, flashbacks, or a peripheral character whose presence/position makes sense. Your new character could be a student at Hogwarts when Harry was headmaster and Harry would only enter the story as Dumbledore did. Not as a central, but a peripheral character.
Writers should only do this if:
1. They have a story to tell.
2. They have a 'new,' non-central character from the original story to develop.
3. Caveat to #2 using Twilight Saga as example would be to tell say Alice's and Jasper's story or Carlisle's story. Other characters could play a part as long as you a) don't focus on Bella and Edward again and b) have a story to tell about said character that is separate from the Bella and Edward story. Of course, Carlisle's story could include Edward, but based on their story/relationship. Setting it a few decades before Edward and Bella met would be best to remove temptation. Most importantly, do not screw up existing characters, their stories or their timelines.
Character growth does not mean to tear them apart to the point of being despicable so they can grow. It is too easy ro destroy the character. I mean, look what JJ's disciples have done to Galadriel in Rings of Power. Their character assassination was thorough and so very heartbreaking. In their efforts to drag her down so they could build her up, they destroyed her. One of the most powerful elves in Middle Earth with wisdom from 1000's of years, ability to see into other creatures hearts
and powe that required no sword or classic weapon has been reduced to a moody teenager with a sword and no comprehension of diplomacy. Their Galadriel, no matter how much character growth they insinuate will ever be able to mesh into Galadriel of Lord of the Rings.
In Rings of Power, Galadriel threatens a prisoner with torture, then promises the genocide of his people (children) while he languishes in prison. Once she kills every last one she will tell him they are gone before she kills him in prison. How can she ever become the Lady of Light? People can be forgiven for their transgressions, but once you let so much darkness in there is no way to be a spiritual beacon of light that guides others.
Examples follow. While there are tons of examples to chose from, I picked a couple that were easily explained for non fans.
I know this is a different (fan) crowd and the evil mouse empire has their fingerprints all over it, but it hits every stupid beat of a sequel. We are just looking at the first of 3 films and the screenwriter's choices. Star Wars trilogy if you haven't guessed. There are spoilers if that is possible anymore, but fair warning.
1. Princess Leah and Hans Solo built up their romance and then strengthened their love through 3 films. A happily ever after, come what may, because they had proven they could face anything. JJ decides we need drama, so we will take this happily ever after and pull them apart. Even though Han was a General and on the right side of the law at the end of 4-6, JJ decided he needed to be a smuggler again that walked out on his family. Boy did they ever mess up Leah and Hans families.
Then we need more drama.
2. Let's take the most hopeful person in that universe and make him a grumpy old man that hides from responsibility. Yes, and the one that saw the good in Darth Vader (killer of planets worth of beings) and had to save him, saw a momentary flicker of darkness in his nephew (child) and decided to kill him.
Even that is not enough, so....
3. That excellent victory and defeat of the emperor was fleeting, because...well, they never actually explain why it fell apart so fast again. Yet, they are fighting some version of the evil emperor they had defeated only 20 years down the road. I get that is a similar timeline between WWI and WWII, but a plausible explanation is required.
Another example would be The Cursed Child. While Rowling did not write it, she foolishly made it cannon. It undid so many people from the Harry Potter series. Just why? Their are other options.
Wait you can't be 3 halves.
did- did you just call Laurent “Laura” LMAO
Yeah at 4:26 he calls Laurent Laura
Tegan lmfaoooo
Tegan yes! What I said 😂
i'm dying LOL
I can’t get enough on how he pronounces some of the characters names 😂🤦🏻♀️.
some people say that Jacob wasn't a good friend to Bella by always trying to guilt her because of her decisions but can you blame him?! Her boyfriend left her and Jacob was there for her, being her friend, helping her out of her freaking depression and making her smile again so of course he'd seem hurt and angry when Bella is so quick to leave jacob to go help Edward. Yes he was angry at almost every decision she made but that's only because almost every decision she made was a danger to herself and he was trying to make sure that she didn't make a regrettable decision.
It's because Bella never told Jacob that if she dated him, she'd be settling. She never told him that her heart would always belong to Edward, even if Edward didn't want her, she would never want anyone but Edward. She made this clear in new moon to the reader. But she failed to make this clear to Jake so that's why jacob believes he has a chance when Vella always knew Jacob never had a chance. The problem isn't Bella choosing Edward, that's fine, the problem is she strung Jacob along and wasn't honest with him
Thank you
They could’ve avoided the whole imprinting on a baby debacle if they just had Jacob run away for a few months after Bella’s death instead. Then he could’ve come back still thinking Bella was dead and ready to kill Edward and instead see her alive with Ragnarok grown into an adult, they lock eyes and it happens.
Ragnarok? Lmaoooo
Mikatoon I couldn’t spell the real name and figured Ragnarok would get a laugh lol
@@jpo7259 Reneesme is not that hard. And I think the imprint was a good thing. And so was the timing
@@luanunes14 a good thing? That’s a grown ass man grooming a baby 🤢 how the hell is that a good thing?
@@__L__837 He's not gromming, he's just protecting her!
"It's very hard for him to be away from (Renesmee), so he stays at the Cullen house."
Sooo...in other words, he's just literally became the family pet? AND he has a favorite owner.
We want to know ho was the first vampire in twilight and how he was created . And ho turned aro like if u agreed.
Edit: because we never really saw the history of vampires in twilight we didn't learn alot about them like other series for example vampire diaries the first vampires ther was turned by a witch
i agree with you :). i don't think Amun from the Egyptian it the first vampire ever made, but i do know that he is one of the oldest. even older then the volturi. who are over 3 thousand years. :).
Bella asked Edward, nobody really knows, he did say that maybe whatever created all other creatures created them too
I’m making a Fanfic that pretty much focuses on the Volturi, but I’ve retconned a lot of the vampire stuff.(No. More. SPARKLES!)😎
And I thought it’d be cool if the vampires were created from an actual Curse.😈
With a tragic and heartwarming backstory as to why “The First One” was cursed to be a Vampire in the first place.
As well as fleshing out the connection of Vampires & Werewolves (Aka, the children of the moon.) 🤓
I’m still in the Research process though,😅 (Mythological & Supernatural kitchen sink, here I come.)🤩
All in all I’m having fun with it.🥰
The first Cullen vampire was Carlisle. The first vampire in twilight was probably Marcus (Volturi dude)
@@tinagresko4419 no the blonde dude is older then him and even he got bit so there are older vampires
The guy who plays Jacob also plays sharkboy
Yes, Taylor Lautner plays both characters
And he voiced youngblood from Danny phantom
Slime Girl Thank you captain obvious
Kristal Martinez rude
Madison-fakhara al'ab aljamil walfarh Logan-Drake really?
So... nobody gonna talk about this dude *ready to kill a literal infant* when he thought Bella died in Breaking Dawn??
So no one is gonna talk about how the cullins let a girl die in Eclipse
@@Indra15huna 😂😂😂 he didn't replied u
@That One I thought I was the only one that thought about that.
@That One right!?! To me that was 🤢!!!! Somehow it's ok to them 🤦🏻♀️
@@victoriakayy Hes not even grooming her.
I feel bad for Jacob. He’s just like me, stuck on one gurl, emotionally dying, and no one does and wants to do anything.
just don't imprint on any babys plz
I hope you find your soulmate one day
Anyone else want Stephanie Myer to write a new Twilight Sequel starring Jacob/Renesmee/Nahuel? Making Renesmee choose Jacob XD
I think that'd be a great idea; how do I contact Stephanie Meyer, to ask her to do this?
@@lauriemosman9984 1 800-stephanie myer
@@jessalang9933 lmao
It'd be like a love triangle story
Wait wait wait..... when did Edward ask Jacob to impregnate Bella? I don’t remember that part 🤮
Its in the Breaking Dawn book somewhere during book 2 in Jacob's prospective. Edward thinks it's better if Bella carried Jacob's child and refers to it as "puppies" which Jacob is deeply sickened and grossed with the idea but a little tempted even though he knows it'd never happen. He also in the book tells Bella about it- in the movie it wasnt mentioned for some reason which is why books are better.
It's in the book
In the book he did.
yeah it’s in the book
It's only part of the books. Edward thinks, that Bella should not miss out on being a mother (probably because he knows how much his sister suffers due to that) but also doesn't want her to be killed by his own child, so he asks Jacob to impregnate Bella because Jacob is human and that baby would be like any other and no threat to Bellas life. I found it weird as well and I'm kinda glad they excluded that part in the movies
So glad you made this video much longer than the other ones.
Jacob brought her up after Edward broke her heart and offered her unconditional love and safety but all she did was manipulate and use him.
Jacob deserved better, and he could have done a lot better than her
Shari_ moh4d Jacob had his own flaws but for gods sake he deserved way better
youre the only person doing this on youtube. THANK YOU! this is long over due. Please go more in detail about wolves around the world and how the volturi made a few packs go extinct
so in the future once nessie is grown , her and jacob will be together , she could have a child sense she is half human , she could have a boy and then name their child JR, jacob and rense, becoming a hybrid between a half human half vampire wolf baby
Since
A tribrid
Renesmee can't have children since she'll be immortal once she's fully grown
Alexander Russell that’s not true. the other hybrid clearly stated he could live off blood OR human food even when he became immortal. she will always have human blood running through her veins
They should have boy and a girl and there child would be a tribird half human, half vampire,half wolf
Always forever Team Jacob.
Right me too
Me too
Yess
Yep
Same he’s hotter
Laura.... Laurent.... 😬
I thought Bella and Jacob been met way before she moved back to forks, I mean he did said “we use to make mud pies when we were little” and Bella says “oh yeah I remember” 🤔
Kinda...In the book it says they don’t remember each other but Bella remembers playing with his sisters when she was little tho. They didn’t officially meet in the book until the la push part.
Well it will all depend on Renesmee feelings. If she feels for him in a romantic way than he will also be there. But if she feelings as frnd or brother or protector he will be there for that too. He will never force. And I really want their love story and I am saying this becoz I have my specific reasons.
yeah, cuz he's so chill about rejection
Fun fact the actor who played Jacob was almost fired.
Because Jake needed to become more muscular and they didn’t think Taylor could pull it off
But he did
true because Taylor Lautner wasn't anywhere near the description in the books. In the books Jacob was very strong and very tall, he towered over Edward.
alexander kuntz maybe not in height but from New Moon and on in terms of build Taylor definitely fit the description enough for a cinema adaptation. It may not look crazy impressive like Dwayne Johnson or something but for someone who’s supposed to be like 16 that’s insane shape and conditioning to be in. I think any more muscle and Jacob would’ve looked a little odd.
Jason Momoa would have been great fr playing Jacob Black too but then he's too old...for the character
Finally waiting for this for so long.. Jacob is my favorite character
Apart from the random slip ups lol this was really fun to watch. After breaking everything down I really do hope at some point Twilight gets adapted into a television series there's plenty of content to do so, and I feel like there's so much great plot, and background stories of characters to. be spoken/touched upon to be a full fledged show because outside the of the love triangle there's a lot of great lore, like honestly I'm happy for what the movies were able to give us but even little increment things like showing Jacobs actual relationship with quil and embry or even showing Jacobs family dynamic and the roles his sisters played was really lacking considering Jacob was a driving ploy for most of the franchise I feel like he needed to be allowed to have more depth (which he did have) out side of his feelings for bella. this video just really got me even more excited for Aug 4th but in terms of production I hope twilight is able to find its way to a screen again through some way shape or form.
Makes me think of the many clothes they had to have in a lifetime for every sudden transformation.
‘Since her sisters were away’ niceeeee
FINALLY JAKE OMG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR FOREVER
Yahhhg
Ok I have seen your profile picture all over tik tok and UA-cam, why does everyone have it 😂😂😂
Agreed!
The god of yeet STEP CHICKEN
glad to meet another step chicken
Love the video you did him justice more than the movie did (thank you).. team Jacob all the way
Finally! Team Jacob, Lol.
Yahhhhhh
Yes!!!!!!!
Foreverrr!!!
Yassssssh!!!!!!
Forever
I loved when he cut his hair he looked so cuteee
Jacob and Seth are my favorite wolves.
Seth is the best haha
yesssss seth is so sweet
+Leah
Bella really did have the best intentions for baby names, but horrible execution.
Renesmee, really?
I mean, Carlie was normal, and that's just Carlisle and Charlie together, why couldn't that be her first name instead of her middle name?
she named her daughter after Edward’s mom and her own mom. (Renee and Esme)
@@alyssajohnson8232 I know that, but like I said, horrible execution
@@lisaleyendekker8305 i think its a pretty name and unique
Momotaro I think it’s pretty too.
@@ghstparalysis I think it's a stupid name. Bella whines and complains about the nickname "Nessie" but so many people will make fun of a name like Renesmee and some people even have mispronounced it.
Who would not love Jacob ❤️❤️🥺
😊😊😊😊
I didnt even know Jacob had sisters
I havnt read the books in awhile
Same
The only thing that I hate about Jacob was he wasn’t tall enough he’s supposed to tower over Edward
they were about to kick Taylor Lautner and recast somebody in new moon but it didn't happen though
@@jayvion3900Lautner put a great deal of effort into muscling up to try to keep the role. All things considered they decided to keep him after all.
Next, Discuss the Black Vampire with the Dreads, who tried to attack Bella. I would really love to hear his back story!
stacey lovely his creator is Russian vampire named Boris
Seriously ANY of the other characters have a way more interesting back story's than Bella and Edward.
We need to more videos of the Quileute wolves and the tribes.
I agree
I can't believe he play shark boy before I just noticed
He was also on Cheaper by the Dozen 2!!
Am I the only one who wanted Bella yo be with Jacob?
Team Jacob 4 life
Me too, I was balling my eyes out because they weren’t together at the end
Team Jacob too 🙈
No you are not I im tooo
I've personally never liked how they portrayed the werewolves in twilight, but the movies aren't bad persay. Jacob as a character is a pretty good one all be it.
Wait a minute......
If Jacob and Renesme have a baby, the baby would have half human, half vampire, and half werewolf
MIND BLOWN
you can’t have three halves
Yeah but half human half vampire werewolf
I know it’s confusing but Jacob isn’t a werewolf like the knock off Teen Wolf. Jacob Black is a shapeshifter that turns into the animal which is a wolf and he is still human. Werewolves(Children of the Moon) are Demons(Damned)like Vampires able to turn humans through bite venom infection except shapeshifting humans who can’t be turned into Demons because of the tribal magic in their bodies and souls.
They should create another movie and in this movie bella chose jacob over edward and what would happen to them, are there others wolf like the volturi, will they gonna start a war and stuff like that
Like if u aggree😌
Nothing would happen, wolves live along with humans so nobody cares if they are dating, if would be a boring movie about teenage love
Volturi would kill them because bella went back on there deal in New moon
Taylor Knight yes, bc Bella know so much about vampires already
I’d watch I’d like to see both sides
And where’s theres no deal with the Volturi
Jacob wouldn't care about Bella anymore because he imprinted on Rensemee which is weird.
Team Jacob! Jacob and Angela were Bella’s true friends! I’m actually glad that Jacob didn’t end up with Bella because I think she’s too selfish of a person to be with kindhearted Jacob!
Jacob and the pack are NOT werewolfs but SHAPE SHIFTERS please remember this. It is not that hard.
Bruh, he explains this in the end...
Well I guess werewolf's exact meaning is when a person turns into wolf then they are callef werevolves. So whatever they are shapeshifter or change themselves at moon they are consider as werewolves only.
Same thing fr
Youe telling that he could turn into an Dragon and other beasts
Please can you do next embry paul quil or jared !!
Oh wow I had no idea the Edward offered for Jacob to get Bella pregnant instead 😳
where was this vwritten?
haha ikr, he was pretty desperate. In the books he wasn't as flat out open about it, he just said something along the lines of "she could have any normal baby she wanted, she could even have puppies"
@@sbasu3922 Its written in Breaking Dawn story 2 with Jacob's prospective- Edward brings up the idea of Jacob getting Bella pregnant and having babies or as Edward refers to as "puppies" but deep down Jacob knows it will never happen and is deeply grossed and sickened but slightly tempted because she would be able to live. They don't really mention it in the movie but check it out in the book
I really wanted Bella and Jacob to end up together.. I have always liked Jacob more than Edward too lol, he is cute and definitely a hot werewolf *-*
fondü is shook I’m a boy but I think he really cool his character is fire
My favourite character in the series!
Anyone else like to pretend the whole imprinting thing never happened?? *shudder*
it was high key gross and creepy
YES its so so creepy
It's literally GROOMING
no
@@VillainApologist_ no lol it seems that way because they only cover it briefly in the films. In the book he has no desires toward her except making her happy and keeping her safe. When they discover that she'll be full grown in 6.5 years, Edward mentions to Bella how impress he was that Jacob never thought about her in that way or showed excitement over the shorten time that'd he have to wait for her. Embry also imprinted on a 2 yo. While she grows he's mostly just a great baby sitter. They have no romantic desires towards them. Just want them happy.
@@bemore_useful "or shown excitement over the shorten time that he'll have to wait for her"
Bruh, that's grooming. That's actual grooming.
18:44 Jacob didn’t mistake Edwards voice for carilses voice.Jacob lied about it.Because,he likes Bella and he didn’t like Edward being near Bella.
In the movie. In the books Edward introduces himself as Carlisle and Jacob assumes that's who it is. They don't realize it was actually Edward until Alice has her vision of him going to the Volturi.
Wait so edward and bella expect reneesme to end up with nahuel just because he’s like her? I mean i know that the imprintee can choose to be whatever they want the relationship to be with whoever imprints on them but still i highly doubt jacob will just give up after being so heartbroken by bella.
But Jacob will die eventually while Reneesme will live as half immortal/forever. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to believe after Jacob dies she will end up with Nahuel.
USCAN14 I didn’t know that! Thanks for sharing
@USCAN14 Suppose Jacob ended full human for whatever reason. Cant Reneesme just turn him into a vampire? You know like Nahual turned his aunt Huilan into one.
@@Eternalsfan Reneesme isnt venomous, so she cant turn people
@@summerisgay So how did Nahual turn his aunt into a vampire?
Can you please talk about midnight sun when the movie will come and more info please ❤️
No movie talk yet. Book coming out August 4th.
I have to watch it i am addicted to twilight
I highly doubt there will be a movie since Midnight Sun is the events of Twilight from Edward's point of view
Great video! Fearing the flaws of sequels, I only read the first book but have seen all the movies. I like learning the nuances from the book!
“Shapeshifters that can literally turn into wolves” literally the definition of a werewolf
Thank you!!
My friend said “he’s a shapeshifter not a werewolf “🤦🏽♂️
I think the difference between the two here is that the traditional "werewolves" (or in the case of the Twilight series, "Children of the Moon") can only phase during full moons, whereas Jacob and the other pack members can phase at any time or as their emotions affect them
@@mclovin6505werewolves can only turn into wolf form during a full moon. While Jacob who is a shapeshifter can turn into wolf form at will. There is a big difference
Do the whole wolf pack
*Like this ahhhwooooooooo*
I'm in love with the character of Jacob!!...I wish he existed for real😭♥️...
❤❤❤❤🎉🎉
Is jacob immortal ? How can he stay with rensmey ? And She s immortal
Wolves can actually live a long life.
I've googled it. It says that once werewolf imprinted on someone, they'll live as long as the one they have imprinted on.
As long as he continues to shapeshift, he won't age:)
isn't rensmey half immortal?
Noth
Jacob's luscious locks.
OMG FINALLY I’ve been waiting for this video for ages🥰🥰🥰
Imagine of their was a Series were Bella Chose Jacob
I wishv
I wish it would be awesome
That's how I remembered boboo Stewart as Seth Clearwater from this saga, and jay from Descendants. I had an brain explosion that the same actor that played Seth Clearwater also played jay from descendants.
Can you do Edward Cullen I dont think you have done Edward but maybe I am wrong
What doesn’t sit right with me is Jacob was literally gonna go kill Renegade cuz he was still so in love with Bella and thought she was dead cuz of the baby, but then suddenly the imprint happens??? Stephanie Meyer was on some weird shit letting that happen💀 just let him kill renegade no biggie 🙄
Yeah he hated renegade at first 😂
Jacobs character in a nutshell...jealously and all about him
How was he all ABOUT him when he Saved Bella 🤦🏾♀️
@@aliciajones8713 He saved her for selfish purposes. Threatening to commit suicide, not asking for consent, and refusing no for an answer is very selfish and gross. Not to mention he planned to kill her daughter before he imprinted on her. He's gross
Connor Marsh he saved her for all the right reasons! Yes, he did fucked up shit. But Bella did way worse to him. He’s been in love with Bella ever since they were children. And she knew that! But she continued to play with his heart and leaned on him knowing that he would take it the wrong way. She manipulated him and fucked with his head. So of course he was gonna be denial about her feelings towards him and be frustrated and angry. I would be too if someone viciously lead me on like that. And plus, through the whole series, Jacob fought for humanity because if she was turned into a vampire, the pack would FORCE him to kill her and the cullens. He was trying to save her life DAILY.
Connor Marsh true he was arrogant and entitled. Bella deserved better. Saving someone a few times doesn’t mean anything when if still controlling.
Star McNeal you are trying to make her sins seem somewhat worse than his. How did she manipulate him? She’s too young to figure out love. She’s only 17. If she did manipulate it wasn’t intentional. Her heart belonged to Edward but she didn’t know it yet.
They're not werewolves! They're shapeshifters! Still love jacob and the back story though
A werewolf is a shapeshifter...
The definition of "werewolf" is 'a person that can turn into a wolf'...
Well there’s a couple things wrong Jacob’s father was not handicapped by diabetes his father was aware wolf attacked him by mistake and made him crippled also Jake up was the true alpha of the pack but he gave his stance over to Sam because he didn’t want to have that much burden on him but I will give you a for effort there’s a couple things that have still been wrong but oh and Jacob’s grandfather was the last alpha and the last werewolf definitely a for effort
According to Edwards private diary, Billy got crippled because of the accident his wife Sarah and him were in.
Everything around jacobs family looks completely normal and beautifull! bella, Charlie , pack soo normal and cool!!!
Sooo... Am I the only one crying my eyes out🥺 Pour Jacob, he’s been through so much pain..
Can you do Bella, Edward, and Renesmee please
I didnt know Mr. Black had diabetes. I thought he was in a wheel chair for a different reason.
Do one on Edward please
🐵 later
I would probably want him to wait because midnight sun is coming out and when that's out, he'll have MUCH more history to him.
@@nicklpantis so what is midnight sun?
Ha can you do history of sand bending next
Bro we finna fight if u don’t do Paul 😔
So at the end of Breaking Dawn that means Edward and Jacob are friends now?
They had a truce even before then.
Team Jacob
👇
Daughter of Bella CULLEN, Bella and Edward got married before having her.
she said she wanted to put there names together and not get rid of her last name so it’s still bella swan
mallory charbonneau that’s how we tell the difference between vampire Bella and human Bella
SIR THERES A T IN LAURENT!
um i still love your videos the twilight ones.
Ahem 🗣 Ms. Stephanie Meyers, I would like a book about Jacob, Renesme, and Nahuels love triangle that is to come 💅
I never understood why jacob might have to compete for renesmee’s love with the other half human half vampire.
Wait, how the frick does Alice have visions of the wolves and Nessy?
That's not possible
Billy's literally the best character in the series imo
I have been WAITING for this one 🥰
Omg please do more twilight videos
Please make a History of Combustion Bending video please!
Damn... Just realised Jacob was a bit of an asshole to Leah and legit almost killed a child.
in his defense he saw vampires as bloodthirsty monsters (which in truth, most of them were) and the child therefor as a demon spawn… but ya, he's kinda messed up.
I mean the cullins let that child die, in eclipse
i like jacob more than edward.
Me to
Jacob is amazingly loyal, caring and strong despite his anger! ❤❤❤❤
Nice
This man almost kills an infant then imprints on them this movie series just all over the place
U must do Renessemay cullen
It crushed me when Jacob imprinted on Renesme