My Experience Debating Ben Shapiro
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I definitely read “my experience dating Ben Shapiro” I was confused💀💀💀
i read "teabagging"
@@HarryNicNicholas oh god I’m so sorry to hear that
@@HarryNicNicholasI hope you get well soon
Me too! Really. We just did not read the "eb" I think.
"He ghosted me because I wasn't doctor."
I really like how Alex almost never says "uh" or "um" at all. It's actually pretty amazing.
He said a quick "ah..." in the first 15 seconds :D
As i read this, he went “uhm…”
Um, I can’t even do that in the comment section.
as I read this I heard him say um
My grandfather told me, these are called 'thinking words', remove them from your vocabulary and you'll instantly sound a lot smarter than most people around you.
Speak with conviction.
okay but "making theist question their belief and making lesbians question their sexuality" is the hardest bar I've seen in history of humanity
A good and honest theist will question their belief pretty regularly.
@@roems6396 idk if you're joking but he meant that he's so handsome that even lesbians will fall for him in a joking manner
@@paulsacramento5995 just questioning isn't enough. you gotta make a rational assessment
@@MorbiusBlueBalls Absolutely, that is why I said a "good and honest theist".
@@paulsacramento5995
This just isn’t true. I know that theists say that they question their beliefs, but they don’t. They are programmed not to do so. Questioning means that they don’t have enough faith and then they won’t go to heaven. That’s what childhood indoctrination,with the concept of hell, does to people. If they truly question their beliefs and research the claims, then they become agnostic atheists.
this was a REALLY good ad for the debate, which im consequently going to watch right now
This is from months ago
A “wall of text” is a great way to describe Ben.
Or a Gish gallop
That's reductive.
@@TheShortStory Gish Gallop is definitely the best way to describe him. I remember watching a youtube short of a linguist breaking apart the way Ben talks and showing that it's mostly for-show and put people off.
@@chocopuddingcup83 That's why he promoted clips of himself "owning a SJW" on college campuses,
he would overwhelm young minds, then use it to mock the Progressive- left. I believe he engages in sophistry as a form of deflection, much like Jordan Peterson does.
A ZIONIST LEPRECHAUN.
I just woke up and I thought the title read, "My Experience DATING Ben Shapiro."
Alex is always a pleasure to watch.
I am not an Atheist Alex, but I really enjoy your content. I find you to be very reasonable, compassionate and generous. I love to watch you, I find your argumentation reasonable and compelling and your delivery thoughtful and thought provoking. Thank you for doing what you do.
Yeah, Alex compelled me to do some research of the Bible and it definitely strengthened my faith. Truth is never afraid of questions, so Alex is welcome to ask more
Alex can probably turn atheists into theists and theists into atheists if he wanted to lol
Atheism is the better position. Not having yourself defined as moral or not by the criteria of adherence to cults standards is liberating and helps you become a better person.
@@86Corvus ow yeah, shedding morals is definitely a positive move
Not to mention not having to normalize fairytale happenings as facts does wonders for your rational analysis of reality. Ofcourse its a bit catch 22 where you already have to act more rationally to reject the fairytales as truth and see them in proper context which is -fairytales...
Of all the debates I have seen with Ben Shapiro over the years -which are not as many as this comment suggest, but more than is good for my mental health- this is one you can truly be proud of. It was incredibly satisfying to see someone not just able to handle his style, but intellectually counter it and get your points across in a respectful way.
tbh this is the first time ive ever seen ben act reasonable. The only reason imo that ben was so well natured in this video is because Alex is so well established for being extremely articulate and a good faith debater.
That's Shapiro's M.O. Very similar to Jordan Peterson. When they are debating more sophisticated people, like Alex, they put on a facade of respectability and seriousness, but once they are in more familiar and friendly territory they revert to being utter hacks, strawmanning everything on sight and making the most ludicrous statements imaginable. Peterson is the worst. He goes from telling people to steel man their opponent's arguments to calling everyone who disagrees with him radical Marxists who want to throw everyone in a gulag.
exactly, because that was the right rhetorical move in this situation. a gish gallop is not going to work with a practiced debater
if the conversation with alex had *any* impact on shapiro i haven't seen evidence of it.
so in my mind, the parsimonious answer is obvious and bleak
Then you haven't watched enough of his debates. He behaves this way most of the time when he isn't being heckled by college kids trying to play gotcha.
@@sandmantheman that may be true but he does say the most absurd shit in those interactions with college kids. someone.. smarter, would do that
@@sandmantheman Like his interview with Andrew Neil?
“Don’t mention the war”…
I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right
😂
Completely unrelated, but Alex, you looked great with the full and gruff “philosopher’s beard”! Maybe one day you’ll bring it back.
Facial pubes almost never look good.
Do you mean how it is in this clip, or has it been even more grown-out at other times? Because in this video it looks a bit too unkempt for my taste.
@@alaron5698 I’m saying in this video I think it looks great for his face. Recently he’s gone for more of the close cut groomed beard.
Enjoyed this. Thanks for posting.
Ive watched you grow up on yt and i must say you are as impressive and insightful as i had expected. Truly one of your generations greatest thinkers. I congratulate you, young sir. Keep up the excellent work.
Ben Sharpio is the undisputed king of the Gish Gallop.
He didn't do that in conversation with Alex. And infact Alex belaboured his points for rhetoric, which is a different kind of nuisance.
I'll always find it hilarious that creationists have these things named after them
William Lane Craig says, "hold my beer."
@@mattjones4257 You have no understanding whatsoever. WLC does not gish gallop. He lists his arguments in a formal debate where you have eg 15 minutes. The opponent can do their research. and has time to reply to e.g. one or two of them, and WLC always addresses the opponent's points. The opponent is free to pick which of WLC's arguments to deal with.
I am an atheist myself, but I am a big fan of Ben as well. I was so happy when they finally met face to face. I guess most people who tries to engage Ben has a hidden agenda when they ask questions, you might think that you can disguise it in a form of formal question but, Ben has gone through a lot of debates that he knows which questions are legit. Alex came into this debate without any agenda but he genuinely wants to ubderstand Ben's view and also put his own view on the table for Ben to pick apart. Granted that their topic is about religion and not politics.
I am a Christian, and enjoy watching Alex debate. He does it well and it is good to be challenged on your beliefs. I really enjoyed the Ben debate. It's nice to see polite but blunt argumentation.
I read the title as "My Experience Dating Ben Shapiro" and got somewhat confused
I had a smile watching this. Good people these two.
Maybe it's because Alex isn't some college freshman who has no experience debating. Alex is sharp, well studied, and can recognize fallacious talking points better than the average person
I would congratulate him for being one of the few adults with the stones to debate Shapiro. The challenge is always out there. Only students attempt to take it on
Being a professional atheist is exceptionally easy.
Was Chris sick in this one? His voice sounds deeper than usual
2:57 The Gish method
Which is a greater display of human speed: Doyle downpicking or Ben talking?
Alex's style of argument and expressions remind me a little bit of Christopher Hitchens, which is very welcome :D
I still haven't mustered the courage to watch the conversation with Peter Hitchens
As someone who expected to be really uncomfortable I'd say just go for it.
Hitchens manages to be so obviously wrong that all my embarrassment is towards him, not Alex. And it's pretty funny to see someone absolutely blow themselves up in front of the most charitable and calm debater. At multiple points Peter complains about something, Alex says he's more than happy to pivot the discussion and Peter just gets more pissed.
@@davishall Hitchens is petty and rather juvenile. You can see glimpses of those traits in his infamous debate with his brother Christopher.
@@godisbollocks Owen Jones did a interview with Peter 10+yrs ago, he was relaxed & opened up about his life- having a cold, strict, detached father in the military, and wanting to become a respected public figure, his brother's success bothered him, Peter wanted to counter Christopher's ideology. Alex's interview really brought the ingrained petulance out in Peter, which exposed the Tory brain rot & his self righteous entitlement. Embarrassingly!
Reminds me of Prince Andrews attitude. Ann Widdecombe too. The hubris, while looking a fool.
@JEdwarrd The funniest part of the debate was when Peter attempted to quote Rudyard Kipling, messed up the quote completely while chastising himself for messing it up, then Christopher gets up there and quotes the passage perfectly from memory without having been prepared to do so.
@@godisbollocks Agreed😋
I find it fascinating to observe the psychological dynamics between ppl,
I brought my popcorn for that interview/ debate.
"we want this to be evergreen" means we don't want you to talk about current topics.
In other words, avoid the topics that expose Ben.
yeah that is what it means, i thought that was overt.
@@christopherneal3138 Overt to anyone who understands the art & purpose of obfuscation for propaganda purposes.
It’s a shame because Alex would probe well around it. But it makes sense that Ben would be exhausted about it plus his view is pretty easily findable
@@khaiuschill310 A shame? It's deliberate intellectual dishonesty on Ben's part.
Remember when Ben flipped out at the British Conservative reporter? I do.
He is spineless.
The minion drinks
What a kind way to call Ben Shapiro a gish gallop queen.
Inaccurately, too. O'Connor tried to reduce all of the arguments and as usual failed to do so successfully. He has tried this with Trent Horn, Bishop Barron, Jordan Peterson, and William Lane Craig to no results because he is fundamentally wrong.
Are they talking about the same Ben Shapiro who threw a tantrum when Andrew Neil asked him few legitimate questions? Is that the guy ?
He's so often wrong that everyone knows the one or two times he got flustered, rather than the hundreds that he embarrassed dimwitted people spouting nonsense. 😅
"Like the philsophical cuc that you are". Fabulous choice of wording!
Philosophical.
@@williamwilson6499 How long did it take you to think of such a witty and constructive reply...?
Out of interest, do you spend your entire day and night going through you-tube comments looking for typographical errors or is it only when you are bored?
Alex wiped Ben and made him admit that
1. State that God is not always moral.
2. Agreed we do not get our morality from scripture.
3. Concede there are things God cannot do.
4. Admit there are moral & logical contradictions throughout the Bible.
I haven't seen it yet, just curious from someone who's watched it and clearly organized some insights or outcomes from the conversation: you mention that one of the concessions is that God is not always moral. Was there a distinction made in gnostic thinking/philosophy or immaterial divinity vs. the materialistic God-creator of the universe?
He has always admitted those things lol
@@mindlander You're not supposed to give him any props at all
Thing is, he does that all the time in debates. He'll concede things and acknowledge good points. Then the next week you'll see making the exact same points he conceded the week before.
@@RottingDragon it's just a ploy, give a little and seem genuine while you continue to be dishonest. or maybe not dishonest but a disgusting person.
I see Im not alone in having read "my experience dating Ben Shapiro"
For a moment I thought you guys debated again
Good on you for speaking up for Ben Shapiro in this way. The dude is not evil. Most people are not evil or have Mal intent. People need to stop demonizing left wing or right wing and just develop maturity. How the hell else are we going to move forward?
Where is this debate they speak of?
On Alex's channel: " Ben Shapiro Challenges Atheist's Ethical Worldview"
I think its fair to say he was charitable IN THAT DEBATE. He is far, far, far from charitable when discussing ideas with people from groups he is bigoted towards.
Oh and yes, he is a bigot. I hope the folks who, like me, think the debate was generally productive and enjoyable, don't lose sight of Shapiro's general demeanor and vitriol.
Alex just stands out as the true philosophos (φιλόσοφος), the lover of wisdom.
Is this clip really old?
No
Woah so I misread the title and came in expecting a massive expose on Ben Shapiro's Dating Life!
Edit: It turns out I wasn't the only one...
Let's just acknowledge this incoming greatness of independent media.
So we really all misread the title, huh? 💀
World Has Become A Mass Debate
I can imagine he's a lot easier to debate than Peter Hitchens.
Ah the Peter Hitchens thing 😂
i misread the title as “i dated ben shapiro” and i clicked so fast 😂
I blame social media for turning people into someone who is uncomfortable in the idea that they could be wrong.
Alex O’Connor is my favorite atheist. He’s a reminder that I actually really enjoy listening to people who disagree with me as long as they are humble and intellectually honest. Every compliment he gave towards Ben Shapiro there could easily be redirected towards him.
I will say I loathe Ben, but I do listen to him on occasion. Not so much because I think he'll make a useful point, but it's good to do a temperature check in what talking points the other side of the political spectrum are hearing. If you don't have any idea what they're talking about it's hard to meaningfully interface with them.
This kind of public debate is more entertaining than anything. Rather than try to come to a better understanding, it's about one-up-manship.
It is
Daily-wire is a business
They do content farming
The most glaring one is brett
her desk,chair table lamp
Are all in an office at the daily wire building
The backkgroud to her videos is a wall paper to make it look like a room
Its a cubicle
Behund the camera their is a makeup artist
Lighting crew
And sound crew
She probbaly has a team that picks her video to react
Its all show, which i understand but goes to show these are doing something to be grabbing that much attention
And it cant be good
Ben is infamous for Gish Galloping
On a side note, this Chris Williamson guy is one handsome dude.
C’mon Alex: Ben relies on Gish galloping to overwhelm his debate opponents.
And yet it never happened with Alex...
@@Mopark25 It happens to most, when they talk about something they burn for.🖖🏻
Nice excuse for you being unable to prove Ben wrong buddy... cope harder
@terrencemoldern2756 it's exactly what he does, Peterson does the same thing. Where they come unstuck is when the other person doesn't get sucked in and distracted. Both know thier arguments are pretty easy to pick apart so they know they have to control the pace and direction of the conversation rather than actually address the point. Beating up on college kids is easy but they both come unstuck when they come up against prepared experienced debaters.
@@markreardon6663 lol what person has ever truly won a debate with Ben or Jordan Peterson?
There’s pretty much no one aside from that BBC reporter guy with Ben years ago... and he only lost that because he TOOK it as a debate and attack when the BBC reporter didn’t even DISAGREE with him... literally the only example of someone “not getting sucked into” what Ben or JP does...
Wasn’t even debating...
So really I don’t see what you are on about with that being a supposedly losing strategy. But that’s besides the point. As you aren’t even right. Like I said. How’s about you actually PROVE what Ben is saying wrong instead of whining like a preschooler...
It’s honestly a joke how sad sacks of 💩 like you try and devalue and belittle Ben Shapiro... yet you are the same people who will NEVER debate or prove him wrong. I mean seriously.
Also I love it when you people bring up college students...
1. Ben debates plenty more besides College students. In fact he literally has a segment on his show called “Ben Talks With (Blank)” where he often hosts other prominent political figures, politicians, influencers and much more. Often times being people he disagrees with as well.
2. That really isn’t as much of a slam dunk as you pretend it is. They’re COLLEGE STUDENTS... their meant to be the smartest and brightest young minds in our nation. To the point that they get to attend prestigious institutions and academy’s. Being more well educated then over 60% of the average populace...
So really them being college students is in fact a telling sign for how strong Ben’s points are... as even the so called “Intellectuals” of our society fail to prove them wrong. Are College kids not that bright? Yeah I’d say so... but that is more telling of how bad the education system has gotten and that’s not why Ben goes to campuses for his speeches anyway. In fact, yeah despite your downright awful claim... Ben has from my knowledge never gone to a College to debate any specific student in his career.
Maybe professors and deans but never a student... what you must be talking about are the Q&A portions of his talks. Which in case you don’t know...
Aren’t even meant to be debates... their meant to be questions the students can ask. So again, nice try with your whole false idea for how things work.
Is this yet another situation in which I'll waste a bunch of time, only to have to report back that the Ws and Ls they're celebrating/lamentimg didn't actually land?
depends how you see it, as far as i'm seeing it reliigous societies are the only ones creating enough offspring to actually perpetuate to themselves. so the questions is not whether it's good, but actually neccessary
That’s such a twisted logic! 😂
If we ask whether it is necessary (religion), then we have to go through every religion.
3:43 "He's very quick very charitable, I think people get Ben Shapiro wrong", yet all these grifters in the comments are running their mouths at the men in the arena.
( ・`ω・´) This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow its the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white is so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.
Oh this channel is back
i absolutely would choose to be a great man like Alex if i wasn't myself - Alexander the great
I have watched Shapiro debate. I do not think his speed of thought is particularly rapid. Rather I think his speeding through points has been a tactic he's developed. He uses it first of all to have a signature uniqueness, and to cause his debate opponents to leave points unaddressed. I do not dispute that he is an intelligent man, but his overcaffeinated debating style is used more to stand out from other debaters, rather than being an artifact of a rapid thinker.
Haha. I had forgotten about the Peter Hitchens interview. Guess I have to thank Ben for bringing that up.
Debated = Owned. Fixed it for you.
Classic autism moment
Definitely agee. He matches energy but he really is only charitable when hes in person. But i guess when ur community is kinda wild ,i guess u have to be wild when u are on ur show
its the Gish-gallop
Ben Shapiro’s strategy is often to speak as quick as possible to befuddle the audience and his debate opponent.
You can say nothing of value, but if you’re quick and articulate enough, people will think you’re smart.
There is a reason he only "debates" undergrad-level students and not actual graduate-level adults. Alex O'Conner is a bit of a pseudo-intellect himself, clearly without much beyond a college-level education in a limited area.
But that's exactly why I don't think Shapiro is that great/honest of a speaker, he changes the wording of he's argument when proven wrong without saying outright that he was wrong on a point first.
re listen to this conversation, that is not at all true
@@seanwalsh7542 give me a time stamo where he says he was wrong
@@m.n.executor1902😂🤣 why would he admit to being wrong when he's not nor believes himself wrong. Rephrasing your point isn't an admission of being wrong it's placating opposition that lacks understanding
@@VSPoliFight Wow. Just wow
@@m.n.executor1902 lol yes I am flabbergasted by your bias and lack of self awareness.
“Don’t mention the war” is such a great reference. It’s from Fawlty Towers, a BBC comedy from the 1970s. Watch it.
He doesn't talk fast because he's good at debating, he talks fast because it's a public debating strategy to get points in faster than the opponent can dispute them. He's not trying to win the debate, he's saying to his onlooking fans, "Look, I just threw out this belief you hold, and this person you disagree with didn't dispute it. That makes you smart for believing it. That makes me popular with people who need to be told they're smart."
He's literally only noteworthy because there's a crowd watching. But put him in a room with only intellectuals and he would just embarrass himself.
You may be right, Alex, but one of the problems with Ben, and people like him, is that they dont admit that they are wrong about X. Y & Z and change their views on those points accordingly, they simply change they way in which they present their arguments so as to not sound like they are wrong, which is extremely dishonest.
'He kept getting distracted by rubbing his hands together for some reason'.
The only Ben vs. Destiny debate was also good. We need more of this.
Destiny doesn't have the brains to debate a sack of hammers. 😅
Ben is a grifter
Best thing I've ever seen. I've never seen Jordan be torn apart like that. It was almost too good
If you’re referring to the recent one I don’t think anyone “won” it was just an immensely deep dialogue where both sides largely reaffirmed each others opinions
He's being very charitable
Hmm 🤔 I watched it. I didn't think it was really a debate in any strong sense of the word; it more of a spirited friendly conservation or dialogue between Ben and Alex. The only real "debate" part of their dialogue was the fact that they were addressing topics on which they disagree. But it wasn't a debate unless one maintains any frank discussion that involves disagreements is a "debate". A better "debate" that's closer to an actual debate is Ben vs. Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks.
Alex...You're TOO kind Dude but, fair play! You are totally entitled to your opinion!
I can't stand Ben myself!
Well, what's he going to say? "He's about as smart as drying paint but he formulates much more quickly?" Then he'd never speak to him again. Don't want to scare off the cash cow.
“We want this to be something people can listen too at any point” oh, then talk about the war, they have hated each other for over a thousand years, BECAUSE of their religious differences 😂😭
What war? If you're to the Palestine war then it isn't thousands of years old. It's moreso another instance of settler-colonial imperialism as seen in America or during Hitler's Lebensraum.
Ben debates by volume. He puts put a lot of points so you can’t cpu get any of them and he talks so fast that he tries to make it so no one can interject. He’s not really someone that should be taken seriously.
I didn't see humility in the discussion with Shapiro - I think he knows when he can't use his usual shtick and will have to use reason
I agree with the religious over the woke on most issues and I’m not religious.
Ben finally graduated to debating adults then?
Well he did debate Sam Harris more than once, I believe, but Ben prefers that nobody mentions it.
@@RoadRunner217 ben dominated sam harris
As far as Shapiword being charitable, a lot of the time he deliberately "debates" immature people, so it's a bit much for him to get upset when they act immaturely.
Shapiro talks like a firehose
Stop appeasing these genocide apologists and step up and call them out.
What he is describing about ben is called waffle. Let anyone talk long en9ugh and tgeir points will all merge into one. You have to stop them and break down each point as they go
Anyone else feel like some Neutonic for no apparent reason?
Quite difficult to defend Shapiro. In no way does he express or show humility. He does seem aloof and unable to accept any position other than his own. He doesn't really have arguments.
Regardless of how charitable and reasonable Ben is most of time, it really seems like anything about Israel is a blindspot for him. Other than that I like him to be honest
Sorry... But all you have to do is to watch Ben's Climate Science denial videos to get an impression of his level of intellectual integrity.
Imagine debating Mr Shapiro. I'm a huge fan of his, but his views on free health care are both surprising and unpleasant.
unless you're going to say he's for free health care, they're not surprising. I'd rather not imagine spending any amount of time in any context with the likes of Shapiro.
it's surprising that a conservative doesn't want free health care?
He's a right-wing American, what else did you expect?
Acting like being opposed to free health care is an out there position is weird.
@@hrothgr52 Being against universal “free” healthcare is absolutely an out there position. The entire industrialized Western world has figured out that healthcare is a both a basic necessity and a market failure, and thus is best administered by a non-profit entity (usually the government). Only right-wing Americans, one of the dumbest groups of people in the West, think it’s normal and good to get bent over by health insurance companies, an entire industry of leaches that add zero value and are literally incentivized to fuck people over.
BS has a fast delivery but many of his points make less sense after you time to analyse them.
I understand that he wants to be polite, but Shapiro is hardly to be taken seriously. I mean, really...
Just don't ask little Ben about the influence of a certain group of people on American politics. Then he isn't so charitable, because he is controlled opposition.
Ben Shapiro’s entire game is that he is a gish galloping chipmunk. It’s like debating an even more annoying Alvin.
Argumentative prowess aside, the issue is how he is using his expertise. Which has, in many instances, become talking down to people much less skilled than he is. Thus, he seems and acts snide and condescending.
He is also politically backrupt given how conservative he is and whom he supports. I can't ever enjoy him, but the only point I'll give Shapiro is that he is an excellent conversationalist. I just abhor how he uses those skills.
I think one of the main things people don't like about Ben Shapiro is that he's just wrong on the facts on a HUGE percentage of the things he says and generally speaking refuses to even acknowledge he might be wrong. I will admit though he seemed unusually cordial in his interview with Alex.
How do you know it isnt your side whos wrong and that ben is actually correct?
The only reason people believe in god and refuse to let it go is FEAR
It's hard to like Ben when you know his opinions about gay and trans people
Probably I'm committing a logical fallacy, but I'm simply not interest in hearing about what's good for society from someone fundraising for Trump. If that's where their reasoning takes them....I'm just not interested.
Shapiro v Vaush