Coincidentally, "Mulan & The Boys", would actually be an accurate title for the Mulan storu given the context of Mulan being the only female amidst a near-exclusive male cast.
The most appealing part of this channel is arguably the fact that these two sound like theyre just down at the local, having a convo, taking the piss out of people. Its great
@1:02:30 correction: Homelander does have super hearing. In season one he can hear people's heartbeats and he can also hear Stillwell when she talks to him through the wall while he's watching her at her desk.
I wonder if homelander will be blinded at one point because he’s probably going to fight starlight (who could blind him) and he was mocking the other blind guy so it’d be ironic
Guess the movie from the review: “It’s Chi and a woman who is sometimes a bird, and sometimes she’s lots of birds. And there’s a Phoenix? Or is there?”
Honestly I'm cool with none of the Boys ever getting any Super Powers. I find it much more interesting that they are normal people having to try and fight Supes. Plus it seems like something that might not be really possible in this version and Homelander has already talked about just how damn hard it is to even give a adult Compound V and that most everyone they gave it to would just die. I like them being underdogs and just barely getting by on the skin of their teeth. That when the 7 are coming after them that it's this huge threat that they have to worry about. Compared to them just being able to take some Compound V and then being able to go toe to toe with basically any of them other then Homelander. So I would enjoy them not gaining any powers and just trying to find ways to defeat them without it or using other Supes to help them like Kimiko her Brother for that one short moment where he takes out Homelander for a few minutes. And then the trailers seemed to be showing them working with some other Supe out in a field and testing his powers and maybe having him help them out.
My mate incorrectly called Rob bat battin bat "Patbatinson" and I bullied him into saying the correct Rob bat battin bat. He won't make that mistake again!😂🤣
finn in a way was my favourite character in force awakens because his backstory was interesting and had potential... but i also had no faith in abrams so i went 'yeah i am not getting invested because i don't trust they have a good idea where this should go to'... (same for rey's parentage and her arc tho i had more faith in that plotline since i figured it'd be harder to fuck up) like my attitude was 'i am not going to have any expectations but if it's good cool' the main lesson here imo is... plan these sort of things in advance
I support Nick's preference to stare blankly at a wall. The Weekly Planet has been my ... soundtrack? ... for a load of wall-staring these last six months.
Just watched the Mandalorian trailer, and heard the Jedi reference. I don't think the implication that that is the most recent Jedi history, which would be a bit odd, but just that there is old beef with Mandalor from eons ago. Also the reference to "race" seems to refer specifically to the "yodas" and not just all Jedis. The clip does make them seem a bit unaware of Jedis, but it's pretty ambiguous in that regard.
Internet I need your help!! I'm looking for the episode of this podcast where James reads the UA-cam comments that one guy makes that go waaaay back and assume he's read them all which he has. love this bit but don't know where to find it!
Oh, I get it. The title is a reference to the line Bond is going to say to him. He and Dr. No are standing in a bare room apart from each other, then Bond points his finger at him and he shouts, "No, time to die."
Robbat Battinbat has 100% replaced his actual name to me, when people say his name or I see his name written, I essentially hear and see Robbat Battinabat now.
Abrams didn't "save his shit" at all though. TROS was where Boyega was relegated to the side 100%. TLJ actually has an arc for him, whether or not you like it.
I thought he meant it as in: he had to be the face of the shit decisions Lucasfilm/Disney pushed on the movie. I'm not saying that's the case, but that's what i thought he meant.
Try and look past your own bias; he's saying that JJ had to come in last minute after Trevorrow was fired, and start from scratch. TLJ had an "arc", yes. Please, try and understand that an arc doesn't automatically make a character good, or a movie good. TROS has to take Finn forward from where TLJ left him, and conclude whatever Rey and Kylo were supposed to be. Look at the screen time for the trilogy; TFA: Rey 43m, Finn 31m, Kylo 19m TLJ: Rey 20m15s, Finn 17m30s, Kylo 15m15s TROS: Rey 55m45s, Finn 24m45s, Kylo/Ben 15m15s Hard not to argue that Finn got left out of scenes with Rey. If Finn had been a bigger part of TLJ, he might have been more central in the fight against Kylo. TLJ already set up the trilogy is just about Rey doing everything on her own; train on her own, escape on her own, lift rocks on her own.
@@Ruylopez778 Oh no, my "bias" is slipping! Ah yeah, of course he got left out of scenes with Rey in TLJ. Because she had a role to play in the plot with Luke and Kylo Ren, and Finn had his plot of growing out of just being Rey's sidekick and learning to make decisions for himself, such as choosing to join the Resistance instead of just tagging along. Really not that hard to understand.
@@jimjam7928 I'm saying Boyega is giving his opinion, and you're trying to decide what he's allowed to think. Just let him say what he wants. You aren't privy to the conversations behind the scenes. You don't know what changes RJ made to the plans for Finn, or what KK said or promised. He didn't defend RJ by name, just accept it. He has come out and defended RJ since the interview, or saying that GQ misquoted or misrepresented him. And when does Rey choose to join the resistance on Starkiller base? The story wants her to go and be a Jedi. If Finn wakes up in TLJ and says, "I want revenge on Kylo. I don't care. Let's tear down the FO." the audience is going to say, "WTF? Why is Finn acting this way??" I don't think so. The problem is that you're taking one possible option that RJ chose to take, and saying that's how it should be. It doesn't have to be that at all. What if Finn was force sensitive but doesn't become a Jedi? Just a force user. He goes from 31m to 17m - I'm sorry that is not developing his character. He doesn't get to hold a lightsaber again, which Maz handed to him in TFA, he spent his "arc" with a new character, instead of with Poe. And in case you can't figure it out, the reason why Poe and Finn are split up in TLJ, is because RJ can't think of a way to make conflict between the two. Poe, Finn and Rey all go on their "arcs" , yes congratulations, but they are influenced, by OTHER characters, and when they meet up at the end, they have no idea how each of them has changed or why. That isn't great writing, sorry. That is contrived. All of this in an effort to give Poe and Finn something to do, wastes time introducing new relationships with new characters, when we want to see them in the story TOGETHER. That's why people like Luke, Han & Leia. That's what SW is about, not about deconstructing the burden of legacy, and referencing throwing away lightsabers. That's why ESB is almost universally loved, and TLJ splits the audience down the middle. I'm all for splitting the audience down the middle artistically speaking, but do that in your OWN movie, not in part 8 of a 9 part saga, in the middle of trilogy. It's ridiculous. Let's look at Finn's "arc" - he isn't force sensitive, he STILL has to be saved by Rey at the end, he doesn't get to face off against Snoke or Kylo, only Phasma, he doesn't get to meet Luke, and for half the movie he just wants to keep Rey safe, even though she saved HIM in TFA, and he tries to sacrifice himself (which is pointless) but isn't even allowed to do that.... Wow. Amazing. I'm shocked Boyega didn't love his part.
Hey u guys talked about art attack once, i was wondering, could u guys cover the rumor about the art attack guy being banksy, just thought itd be funny
Hey guys not mentioning the human rights issues connected to this movie? From the lead saying she is for police crackdown in Hong Kong, to filming of Mulan in areas with uygur concentration camps and Disney thanking said regions in the credits
When boyega took his helmet off in that first force awakens trailer, the fan base threw a fit about how a black storm trooper was illogical and only done for sjw reasons... No wonder they didn't give finn more play 🤷🏾♂️
Nah they didn't give him more play because they only threw him in to check a box and didn't think beyond that. It's a shame because finn should have been the jedi and the main character.
@@pookypoo1169 He could have been a Jedi but then JJ decided he wasn't in TFA, which led Rian Johnson with no choice really but to write a story for Finn which was a continuation of his arc in TFA of becoming his own person, but then JJ decided in TROS to make him sorta Force sensitive but not really.
@@jimjam7928 I love your RJ "had no choice" narrative. Just try and make a sentence without talking about an arc. RJ himself said that writing he started by asking himself what the worst thing that could happen to the characters was. And that's the best he could come up with? Casino planet and lectured by someone he doesn't know, double crossed by someone he doesn't know, in order to face down Phasma and want to sacrifice himself for the rebels - but then he doesn't even get to do that. So even what he wants to think is a heroic act is wrong. So where is his big moment? Being rescued by Rey? Rey already rescued herself in TFA so why would Finn need to worry about protecting her? It only makes sense if you realise they didn't have anything for Finn to do in TLJ. JJ didn't decide Finn wasn't a Jedi in TFA. Nothing states that he can't "awaken" in a later movie. Anyway, the whole trilogy is a mess, so who cares? I feel bad for Boyega, though, since he actually cares about SW.
Yep, hypebeast. I think this was JJ and Boyega throwing TLJ under the bus before TROS. If you look at LF, they've continually put out bad publicity on people after working with them. JJ was saying TLJ was a bit too meta. “The Force Awakens I think was the beginning of something quite solid, The Last Jedi if I'm being honest I'd say that was feeling a bit iffy for me,” Boyega says. “I didn't necessarily agree with a lot of the choices in that and that's something that spoke to Mark [Hamill] a lot about and we had conversations about it. And it was hard for all of us, because we were separated." Boyega has been candid on Twitter about his feelings on Finn’s story, and much to his surprise, Star Wars fans have responded to say they craved more of his story. He believes there’s more to be told with the character, but not as a standalone project, as he thinks Finn truly shines when he’s paired with Daisy Ridley’s Rey and Oscar Isaac’s Poe Dameron. “I guess the original Star Wars films there was much more of a trio feel where it was essentially about Luke's journey, but Han and Leia there was a strong dynamic, which I think, I don't know how quickly we're going to be able to establish that longterm dynamic with [Episode] Nine. But if it's exploring that dynamic, then that would be cool,” he notes. “I do feel even after three films still, we don't know them as much as we got to know Han, Luke, Leia. And maybe that's a great opportunity to get to know them a little bit more.” Like many fans online, Boyega believes in the themes previously established within the Star Wars franchise, rather than the focus on the realism introduced in The Last Jedi, and would only return to the character if the future story encapsulated those classic characteristics. “The banter, the bickering, the undercover romances that then manifest an epic moment. That for me is Star Wars. It's not hyperreal or realistic or grounded. Don't do any of that. It's like connection, family, friendship. If they're going to do it in that direction, then absolutely.”
@@andhe Yes, I'm aware. I guess you need an explanation: I was making a joke commenting on how so many people bypassed an appropriate amount of time to mourn the passing of Chadwick Boseman & jumped into speculations about the sequel to Black Panther..
I'm one of the guys asking various UA-cam personalities about Robat Battinbat 😂 I asked Sean Chandler and Austin Burke and they both said they preferred Battinson!
Homelander is able to fly at super speeds with other people in his arms.. How else can he save butcher right next to a explosion. Which means he was able to save A LOT of those people on the plane in Season 1, He just didn't want to because laziness and he is a monster. I cannot wait for his son to kill him or The Six do it.
Here in Mexico we do miss Mushu because a famous Mexican comedian did the dubbing (Eugenio Derbez) and it was waaaaay better than the English version thanks to him!
If your response in the comments is to shift blame onto JJ, you're not listening to Boyega, for the sake of your own narrative. Just respect the opinions of Boyega, since you don't know the full story behind the scenes. If you read his comments from the Hypebeast interview before TROS came out, it all lines up with what he's saying now.
The central three characters of the ST are Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren. All three of those undergo development and change in TLJ; for Finn it's a continuation of his story in TFA and a culmination of his breakaway from the First Order, and his development into an individual who can make decisions for himself (ie. why he chooses to fight for the Resistance despite the apathy of a character like DJ actually "winning"). To be honest Poe Dameron barely counts as a character; the only time he actually has an arc and development is in The Last Jedi. Isaac's character underwent the most changes from what was originally envisioned, from starting off as a Jedi to actually dying on Jakku when the TIE fighter he and Finn are in crash. Hence the contrivance of him suddenly appearing at the Resistance Base on Takodana near the end of that first movie.
@@jimjam7928 OK, this is going to get very boring, very quickly, if you're going to tell me what Boyega should have wanted. If you read the hypebeast interview you'll perhaps understand, but seems like you don't want to. You just want to pretend that Finn had something exciting to do in TLJ. You can basically edit him out of the movie, because even the rebels ships being discovered because of the obvious double cross by 'obvious DJ grey character' doesn't change very much at all. It's all people in ships we never met. 1. I know Poe was supposed to die. 2. One of the things that people liked about TFA was the bonding between Poe and Finn, and Finn and Rey. It doesn't mean TFA was excellent. It doesn't mean the characterisation was Academy Award winning. 3. What people enjoyed about the OT was not character arcs, or character development (for the sake of it) but the bond between the trio. 4. The problem with TLJ is that in order to give everyone an "arc", so people an talk about how clever it is - and I should add that putting arcs in a movie doesn't automatically make it good writing, or fun to watch - Finn has to go on an adventure with someone else, and Poe has to argue with someone else, when what we really want is for the three central characters to shape and change each other. When Rey and Finn meet, and Poe and Finn meet again, they have changed, but not because of their "friends". That doesn't make it good. That makes the entire plot contrived to make everyone go on a journey. 5. "and his development into an individual who can make decisions for himself" It's funny how when Rey runs away from the lightsaber, by the end of TFA she wants to be a Jedi. Finn who also sees Han die, who also bonds with Chewie, who also stands up to Kylo and holds a lightsaber, still just wants to find Rey and run away. OK. 6. I like how people talk about all the characterisation and themes in TLJ, but nobody talks about how fun it was. 7. If Poe isn't really part of the trilogy, which I agree almost all the characters were weak in the ST, then there's even less reason for Finn to be off on a side quest that goes nowhere. He basically has half the screen time of TFA in TLJ, in order to introduce a general who gets killed, in order to develop Poe's character, and a mechanic, who also isn't very interesting, in order to lecture Finn, so that by the end of the movie, he won't have to be scared. 8. Sorry but Rey has zero motivation to be a Jedi or join the resistance at the start of TFA, she just does it because the story wants her to, and the audience expect her to. 9. Imagine if Finn had been part of the double cross; now *that* would have been something we hadn't seen before, and make use of him being a former stormtrooper. Instead we got a deconstruction of SW for the sake showing the audience what a deconstruction looked like. Yeah, it looked like a deconstruction. How about instead move the trilogy forwards with some things that aren't another Hoth and another throne room scene? 10. If you're saying it's fun to watch a ship slowly follow another one, while people argue, then I disagree. It's tense. But tense isn't fun. Hypebeast: “The Force Awakens I think was the beginning of something quite solid, The Last Jedi if I'm being honest I'd say that was feeling a bit iffy for me,” Boyega says. “I didn't necessarily agree with a lot of the choices in that and that's something that spoke to Mark [Hamill] a lot about and we had conversations about it. And it was hard for all of us, because we were separated." Boyega has been candid on Twitter about his feelings on Finn’s story, and much to his surprise, Star Wars fans have responded to say they craved more of his story. He believes there’s more to be told with the character, but not as a standalone project, as he thinks Finn truly shines when he’s paired with Daisy Ridley’s Rey and Oscar Isaac’s Poe Dameron. “I guess the original Star Wars films there was much more of a trio feel where it was essentially about Luke's journey, but Han and Leia there was a strong dynamic, which I think, I don't know how quickly we're going to be able to establish that longterm dynamic with [Episode] Nine. But if it's exploring that dynamic, then that would be cool,” he notes. “I do feel even after three films still, we don't know them as much as we got to know Han, Luke, Leia. And maybe that's a great opportunity to get to know them a little bit more.” Like many fans online, Boyega believes in the themes previously established within the Star Wars franchise, rather than the focus on the realism introduced in The Last Jedi, and would only return to the character if the future story encapsulated those classic characteristics. “The banter, the bickering, the undercover romances that then manifest an epic moment. That for me is Star Wars. It's not hyperreal or realistic or grounded. Don't do any of that. It's like connection, family, friendship. If they're going to do it in that direction, then absolutely.”
@@Ruylopez778 Yeah, I'm not reading any of that lad. The end result is simply this; you didn't enjoy Finn's arc in TLJ, and I actually did. While it's flawed, there's a fascinating triumvirate occurring between him, Rose and DJ. I really enjoyed watching it play out. Canto Bight? It was fine, wasn't it? A casino planet is really not that far from what we've seen before in Star Wars. That's it. It doesn't make you or John Boyega wrong. It definitely needed more Phasma though. That's the one major thing I disagree with Rian Johnson about when he said there was no room for her in the script. She had a very important role to play in Finn's development and it would have been great to see Gwendoline Christie out of the helmet and actually interacting in the story just once.
@@jimjam7928 Fascinating? You must have watched too many analysis videos. We meet DJ in a prison. It's not a shock he double crosses them. And again, I'm not saying you can't love TLJ. But again, because you can't seem to accept this, having an "arc" does make a great character, great movie or great part. Just like there are great parts without character arcs. The reason you keep going on about 'arcs' is because nobody is saying TLJ is fun and exciting. Everybody talks about themes and arcs and development - and some people even talk about jokes, but nobody says it's fun. If you're not going to listen to what other people say, it's not surprising you just summarise what you think other people think. I'm talking about what Boyega wanted - which is related to his opinion, and you're telling me that Boyega is wrong, because he isn't supporting what you like. That's your problem.
@@jimjam7928 19:33 quoting Mr Sunday, "I like that movie, but that's not a very compelling arc" 19:40 Maso, "The casino planet... the reason they're on that planet could very well have been compacted into one two minute scene...they are shunted off.... the time could have been better spent integrating them into the main cast"
They marketed finn alot in the first one to get people qondering, then when the truth came out they didnt really need him fsce front anymore. I am not a star wars fan in any way thid is just my interoretation
These jackasses were tripping over themselves torturing to not say they think it’s incredibly unprofessional to not notify you producers and literal hundreds of people that depend on your starring role working on the movies that there is a potential risk you will not be available due to sickness
I think they may try to drop a few hints in the Marvel TV series leading up to a possible Black Panther 2 where his death has already happened off screen, but mentioned and the opening is Wakanda still grieving
'Mulan & The Boys' is my favourite show. I'm glad it got a second season!
Spoiler alert: Turns out she's The Female.
Great comment. Well done.
Karl Urban kills it as Mushu
Coincidentally, "Mulan & The Boys", would actually be an accurate title for the Mulan storu given the context of Mulan being the only female amidst a near-exclusive male cast.
@@IgorsDen I'm guessing you havent seen the boys lol
The most appealing part of this channel is arguably the fact that these two sound like theyre just down at the local, having a convo, taking the piss out of people. Its great
Wow I'm surprised all these listeners of a comic book movie podcast haven't commented on user name.
@@Xjr555kid that was smooth
@1:02:30 correction: Homelander does have super hearing. In season one he can hear people's heartbeats and he can also hear Stillwell when she talks to him through the wall while he's watching her at her desk.
I only know him as Rob Bat Battin Bat.
I wonder if homelander will be blinded at one point because he’s probably going to fight starlight (who could blind him) and he was mocking the other blind guy so it’d be ironic
More like The WEAKLY Planet *GOT EM*
I hope this sarcastically ends up in H8 mail but hate is spelled with an 8
Bloody got em, mate
Homelander does have X-Ray vision and super hearing, he uses it in the first season. He can’t see through zinc like superman can’t see through lead.
Is this dome made out of copper? My only weakness!
Actually, this is a really good video.
Finally
Actually this is a really good video.
Actually, this is a really good video.
Have you seen their review of Interstellar? It's amazing.
Why is it just a still image for 2 hours?!? Where are all of the pictures that move?!?
Maso: 'Do you think?-"
James:"No! not even once"
Me too James, Me too lol
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I love this podcast. You guys are great.
35 dollars?!? I’m pretty sure the Australian currency is dollary-doos
Bluey lover?
Guess the movie from the review:
“It’s Chi and a woman who is sometimes a bird, and sometimes she’s lots of birds. And there’s a Phoenix? Or is there?”
Answer: Alfred Hitchcock’s “The Birds”
Wow, I didn't know Chekov had so many things in his pocket. Chekov's pocket.
Actually this is a really good comment.
Chekhov's comment
Can’t argue with that
Airtight argument.
Hey, this is actually a really good video.👌
What's everyone think is going on with the Fresca?
Drugs
Honestly I'm cool with none of the Boys ever getting any Super Powers. I find it much more interesting that they are normal people having to try and fight Supes. Plus it seems like something that might not be really possible in this version and Homelander has already talked about just how damn hard it is to even give a adult Compound V and that most everyone they gave it to would just die. I like them being underdogs and just barely getting by on the skin of their teeth. That when the 7 are coming after them that it's this huge threat that they have to worry about. Compared to them just being able to take some Compound V and then being able to go toe to toe with basically any of them other then Homelander. So I would enjoy them not gaining any powers and just trying to find ways to defeat them without it or using other Supes to help them like Kimiko her Brother for that one short moment where he takes out Homelander for a few minutes. And then the trailers seemed to be showing them working with some other Supe out in a field and testing his powers and maybe having him help them out.
My mate incorrectly called Rob bat battin bat "Patbatinson" and I bullied him into saying the correct Rob bat battin bat. He won't make that mistake again!😂🤣
To be fair pat batinson is still a pretty good nickname
finn in a way was my favourite character in force awakens because his backstory was interesting and had potential... but i also had no faith in abrams so i went 'yeah i am not getting invested because i don't trust they have a good idea where this should go to'... (same for rey's parentage and her arc tho i had more faith in that plotline since i figured it'd be harder to fuck up)
like my attitude was 'i am not going to have any expectations but if it's good cool'
the main lesson here imo is... plan these sort of things in advance
Honestly, Treasure Planet.
Could rewatch that all year, but wish i could watch it again for the first time
46:47 Chekhov’s WestWorld
Shout out to Billy Business from Screen Junkies! 😂😂
I support Nick's preference to stare blankly at a wall. The Weekly Planet has been my ... soundtrack? ... for a load of wall-staring these last six months.
Your going mad mate
Is it just me or did Maso say the Westworld bit😂🤣👏🏽 If so, James you got emmm cus he’s come around 😅
Just watched the Mandalorian trailer, and heard the Jedi reference. I don't think the implication that that is the most recent Jedi history, which would be a bit odd, but just that there is old beef with Mandalor from eons ago. Also the reference to "race" seems to refer specifically to the "yodas" and not just all Jedis. The clip does make them seem a bit unaware of Jedis, but it's pretty ambiguous in that regard.
Is Nick Mason the Yarn Spinner?
I never knew until you said her name that Ming Na Wen was the original Mulan.
Internet I need your help!! I'm looking for the episode of this podcast where James reads the UA-cam comments that one guy makes that go waaaay back and assume he's read them all which he has. love this bit but don't know where to find it!
The new Mulan is a closer adaption of the Ballad of Mulan
Help plz, I'd like to give a positive review for the podcast, I'm pretty sure I cant do that with spotify. What app can I use?
is he Dr No? Hence No time to Die
No he's Doctor Too Much Time as in there's tooo much time to die mason
Oh, I get it. The title is a reference to the line Bond is going to say to him. He and Dr. No are standing in a bare room apart from each other, then Bond points his finger at him and he shouts, "No, time to die."
He does have super hearing and x-ray vision i think
Sorry I'm late - been watching The Batman teaser 50, 000 times.
15:15. Ifunny-Er?
Robbat Battinbat has 100% replaced his actual name to me, when people say his name or I see his name written, I essentially hear and see Robbat Battinabat now.
I've played a lot of THPS 1+2 and the answer is "Yes, you can go down hills"
Abrams didn't "save his shit" at all though. TROS was where Boyega was relegated to the side 100%. TLJ actually has an arc for him, whether or not you like it.
I thought he meant it as in: he had to be the face of the shit decisions Lucasfilm/Disney pushed on the movie. I'm not saying that's the case, but that's what i thought he meant.
Try and look past your own bias; he's saying that JJ had to come in last minute after Trevorrow was fired, and start from scratch. TLJ had an "arc", yes. Please, try and understand that an arc doesn't automatically make a character good, or a movie good. TROS has to take Finn forward from where TLJ left him, and conclude whatever Rey and Kylo were supposed to be. Look at the screen time for the trilogy;
TFA: Rey 43m, Finn 31m, Kylo 19m
TLJ: Rey 20m15s, Finn 17m30s, Kylo 15m15s
TROS: Rey 55m45s, Finn 24m45s, Kylo/Ben 15m15s
Hard not to argue that Finn got left out of scenes with Rey. If Finn had been a bigger part of TLJ, he might have been more central in the fight against Kylo. TLJ already set up the trilogy is just about Rey doing everything on her own; train on her own, escape on her own, lift rocks on her own.
@@Ruylopez778 Oh no, my "bias" is slipping!
Ah yeah, of course he got left out of scenes with Rey in TLJ. Because she had a role to play in the plot with Luke and Kylo Ren, and Finn had his plot of growing out of just being Rey's sidekick and learning to make decisions for himself, such as choosing to join the Resistance instead of just tagging along. Really not that hard to understand.
@@jimjam7928 I'm saying Boyega is giving his opinion, and you're trying to decide what he's allowed to think. Just let him say what he wants. You aren't privy to the conversations behind the scenes. You don't know what changes RJ made to the plans for Finn, or what KK said or promised.
He didn't defend RJ by name, just accept it. He has come out and defended RJ since the interview, or saying that GQ misquoted or misrepresented him.
And when does Rey choose to join the resistance on Starkiller base? The story wants her to go and be a Jedi.
If Finn wakes up in TLJ and says, "I want revenge on Kylo. I don't care. Let's tear down the FO." the audience is going to say, "WTF? Why is Finn acting this way??"
I don't think so. The problem is that you're taking one possible option that RJ chose to take, and saying that's how it should be. It doesn't have to be that at all.
What if Finn was force sensitive but doesn't become a Jedi? Just a force user.
He goes from 31m to 17m - I'm sorry that is not developing his character. He doesn't get to hold a lightsaber again, which Maz handed to him in TFA, he spent his "arc" with a new character, instead of with Poe.
And in case you can't figure it out, the reason why Poe and Finn are split up in TLJ, is because RJ can't think of a way to make conflict between the two.
Poe, Finn and Rey all go on their "arcs" , yes congratulations, but they are influenced, by OTHER characters, and when they meet up at the end, they have no idea how each of them has changed or why. That isn't great writing, sorry.
That is contrived.
All of this in an effort to give Poe and Finn something to do, wastes time introducing new relationships with new characters, when we want to see them in the story TOGETHER. That's why people like Luke, Han & Leia.
That's what SW is about, not about deconstructing the burden of legacy, and referencing throwing away lightsabers.
That's why ESB is almost universally loved, and TLJ splits the audience down the middle.
I'm all for splitting the audience down the middle artistically speaking, but do that in your OWN movie, not in part 8 of a 9 part saga, in the middle of trilogy. It's ridiculous.
Let's look at Finn's "arc" - he isn't force sensitive, he STILL has to be saved by Rey at the end, he doesn't get to face off against Snoke or Kylo, only Phasma, he doesn't get to meet Luke, and for half the movie he just wants to keep Rey safe, even though she saved HIM in TFA, and he tries to sacrifice himself (which is pointless) but isn't even allowed to do that....
Wow. Amazing. I'm shocked Boyega didn't love his part.
It’s the same arc as the first one lol
So that's now at least 3 different superhero based projects Shawn Ashmore's in, X-Men franchise, Quantum Break and The Boys.
Um... are you forgetting Animorphs?
@@brockbuster didn't know about that.
Happy Monday everyone!
Hey u guys talked about art attack once, i was wondering, could u guys cover the rumor about the art attack guy being banksy, just thought itd be funny
Has the podcast been on YT this whole time or did it stop being uploaded for a while? Either way, hands off my pasgetti!
Always been here, just occasionally a day later (depending on time zone)
the second week mentioning Trinidad? That is so surreal
"It looks great" is basically the review for every blockbuster released in the last decade.
Homelander has super hearing he just uses it to get info on people who are close to him
Hey guys not mentioning the human rights issues connected to this movie?
From the lead saying she is for police crackdown in Hong Kong, to filming of Mulan in areas with uygur concentration camps and Disney thanking said regions in the credits
Great podcast M8s when are we getting more h8 mail but hate has an 8 in it?
I’ve only seen the first two Godfather films.
When boyega took his helmet off in that first force awakens trailer, the fan base threw a fit about how a black storm trooper was illogical and only done for sjw reasons... No wonder they didn't give finn more play 🤷🏾♂️
Nah they didn't give him more play because they only threw him in to check a box and didn't think beyond that. It's a shame because finn should have been the jedi and the main character.
@@pookypoo1169 He could have been a Jedi but then JJ decided he wasn't in TFA, which led Rian Johnson with no choice really but to write a story for Finn which was a continuation of his arc in TFA of becoming his own person, but then JJ decided in TROS to make him sorta Force sensitive but not really.
jamie kirkmen they have him loads in TFA and in the last Jedi but that plot sucked and they rushed the last one
@@jimjam7928 I love your RJ "had no choice" narrative. Just try and make a sentence without talking about an arc. RJ himself said that writing he started by asking himself what the worst thing that could happen to the characters was. And that's the best he could come up with? Casino planet and lectured by someone he doesn't know, double crossed by someone he doesn't know, in order to face down Phasma and want to sacrifice himself for the rebels - but then he doesn't even get to do that. So even what he wants to think is a heroic act is wrong. So where is his big moment? Being rescued by Rey? Rey already rescued herself in TFA so why would Finn need to worry about protecting her?
It only makes sense if you realise they didn't have anything for Finn to do in TLJ.
JJ didn't decide Finn wasn't a Jedi in TFA. Nothing states that he can't "awaken" in a later movie.
Anyway, the whole trilogy is a mess, so who cares? I feel bad for Boyega, though, since he actually cares about SW.
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35:27 I'll send you guys a telegram. 😁
Actually this is a really good video.
Boyega already said he was frustrated with the direction his character took in TLJ in another interview last year.
Well then, I'm sure he must have been ecstatic with the direction his character took in TROS ie. backwards.
Yep, hypebeast. I think this was JJ and Boyega throwing TLJ under the bus before TROS. If you look at LF, they've continually put out bad publicity on people after working with them.
JJ was saying TLJ was a bit too meta.
“The Force Awakens I think was the beginning of something quite solid, The Last Jedi if I'm being honest I'd say that was feeling a bit iffy for me,” Boyega says. “I didn't necessarily agree with a lot of the choices in that and that's something that spoke to Mark [Hamill] a lot about and we had conversations about it. And it was hard for all of us, because we were separated."
Boyega has been candid on Twitter about his feelings on Finn’s story, and much to his surprise, Star Wars fans have responded to say they craved more of his story. He believes there’s more to be told with the character, but not as a standalone project, as he thinks Finn truly shines when he’s paired with Daisy Ridley’s Rey and Oscar Isaac’s Poe Dameron.
“I guess the original Star Wars films there was much more of a trio feel where it was essentially about Luke's journey, but Han and Leia there was a strong dynamic, which I think, I don't know how quickly we're going to be able to establish that longterm dynamic with [Episode] Nine. But if it's exploring that dynamic, then that would be cool,” he notes. “I do feel even after three films still, we don't know them as much as we got to know Han, Luke, Leia. And maybe that's a great opportunity to get to know them a little bit more.”
Like many fans online, Boyega believes in the themes previously established within the Star Wars franchise, rather than the focus on the realism introduced in The Last Jedi, and would only return to the character if the future story encapsulated those classic characteristics. “The banter, the bickering, the undercover romances that then manifest an epic moment. That for me is Star Wars. It's not hyperreal or realistic or grounded. Don't do any of that. It's like connection, family, friendship. If they're going to do it in that direction, then absolutely.”
Cube is Great!
You should watch The clone wars episode based on the Cube
That's a good hello fresh deal $80 off nice 👌 I like them pretty good food
Why the way they say mulan sounds like they're talking about a city in northern italy?
Is Nulan an accidental Scorpion King remake?
That's sad news about Robbat Battin Bat, but who will play Batman in The Batman 2?
Batfleck
Batt Damon-bat
Jack Whitehall will love that news.
He's got covid. He's not dead.
@@andhe Yes, I'm aware. I guess you need an explanation: I was making a joke commenting on how so many people bypassed an appropriate amount of time to mourn the passing of Chadwick Boseman & jumped into speculations about the sequel to Black Panther..
Actually this is a great video ^^
By the way, the movie is about 120 minutes and costs $30 US, so looking at your phone for a whole minute costs you about $4.
The sum 120 divided by 30 which equals 25 cents per minute
Couldn't help myself
Big Movie. Big Screen. Loved it.
Grime is UK rap and it is BANGING!
No it's not
While we are explaining things ill throw in Grimes the musician is Musks girlfriend, not wife.
@@malowski111
Try not to confuse people.
they released they were opening back up for shooting on FRIDAY _before_ you rrecorded this - read ComingSoonDOTnet, not Variety
I think you guys are forgetting that moment Hulk ripped Wolverine in half
I'm one of the guys asking various UA-cam personalities about Robat Battinbat 😂 I asked Sean Chandler and Austin Burke and they both said they preferred Battinson!
Haha yeah Battinson or even R-Batz is cool ,as some ppl call him R- Patz...but Robat Battin' bat is too much haha🤣
Chekhov’s Westworld
I’m so annoyed I want to read three jokers but I can’t drive and my family is too busy to drive me to the comic book store 😭
Why did you keep saying The Boys season 3? isn't it season 2?
Homelander is able to fly at super speeds with other people in his arms.. How else can he save butcher right next to a explosion. Which means he was able to save A LOT of those people on the plane in Season 1, He just didn't want to because laziness and he is a monster. I cannot wait for his son to kill him or The Six do it.
the bat giveth corona, the bat catcheth.
Robat Battinbat is the only obvious choice.
Poor, poor Mr. Quick...
2:39 Stop pretending to be nice, Disney.
Here in Mexico we do miss Mushu because a famous Mexican comedian did the dubbing (Eugenio Derbez) and it was waaaaay better than the English version thanks to him!
Robert bat bat bat, should be - bob battingson
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Never stop West Worlding!
So what you're saying is that the character of Mulan is a "Mary Sue", just like Rey in the Star Wars sequels.....
Chekhov's podcast.
If your response in the comments is to shift blame onto JJ, you're not listening to Boyega, for the sake of your own narrative.
Just respect the opinions of Boyega, since you don't know the full story behind the scenes.
If you read his comments from the Hypebeast interview before TROS came out, it all lines up with what he's saying now.
The central three characters of the ST are Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren.
All three of those undergo development and change in TLJ; for Finn it's a continuation of his story in TFA and a culmination of his breakaway from the First Order, and his development into an individual who can make decisions for himself (ie. why he chooses to fight for the Resistance despite the apathy of a character like DJ actually "winning").
To be honest Poe Dameron barely counts as a character; the only time he actually has an arc and development is in The Last Jedi. Isaac's character underwent the most changes from what was originally envisioned, from starting off as a Jedi to actually dying on Jakku when the TIE fighter he and Finn are in crash. Hence the contrivance of him suddenly appearing at the Resistance Base on Takodana near the end of that first movie.
@@jimjam7928 OK, this is going to get very boring, very quickly, if you're going to tell me what Boyega should have wanted.
If you read the hypebeast interview you'll perhaps understand, but seems like you don't want to. You just want to pretend that Finn had something exciting to do in TLJ.
You can basically edit him out of the movie, because even the rebels ships being discovered because of the obvious double cross by 'obvious DJ grey character' doesn't change very much at all. It's all people in ships we never met.
1. I know Poe was supposed to die.
2. One of the things that people liked about TFA was the bonding between Poe and Finn, and Finn and Rey. It doesn't mean TFA was excellent. It doesn't mean the characterisation was Academy Award winning.
3. What people enjoyed about the OT was not character arcs, or character development (for the sake of it) but the bond between the trio.
4. The problem with TLJ is that in order to give everyone an "arc", so people an talk about how clever it is - and I should add that putting arcs in a movie doesn't automatically make it good writing, or fun to watch - Finn has to go on an adventure with someone else, and Poe has to argue with someone else, when what we really want is for the three central characters to shape and change each other. When Rey and Finn meet, and Poe and Finn meet again, they have changed, but not because of their "friends".
That doesn't make it good. That makes the entire plot contrived to make everyone go on a journey.
5. "and his development into an individual who can make decisions for himself"
It's funny how when Rey runs away from the lightsaber, by the end of TFA she wants to be a Jedi. Finn who also sees Han die, who also bonds with Chewie, who also stands up to Kylo and holds a lightsaber, still just wants to find Rey and run away. OK.
6. I like how people talk about all the characterisation and themes in TLJ, but nobody talks about how fun it was.
7. If Poe isn't really part of the trilogy, which I agree almost all the characters were weak in the ST, then there's even less reason for Finn to be off on a side quest that goes nowhere. He basically has half the screen time of TFA in TLJ, in order to introduce a general who gets killed, in order to develop Poe's character, and a mechanic, who also isn't very interesting, in order to lecture Finn, so that by the end of the movie, he won't have to be scared.
8. Sorry but Rey has zero motivation to be a Jedi or join the resistance at the start of TFA, she just does it because the story wants her to, and the audience expect her to.
9. Imagine if Finn had been part of the double cross; now *that* would have been something we hadn't seen before, and make use of him being a former stormtrooper. Instead we got a deconstruction of SW for the sake showing the audience what a deconstruction looked like. Yeah, it looked like a deconstruction. How about instead move the trilogy forwards with some things that aren't another Hoth and another throne room scene?
10. If you're saying it's fun to watch a ship slowly follow another one, while people argue, then I disagree. It's tense. But tense isn't fun.
Hypebeast:
“The Force Awakens I think was the beginning of something quite solid, The Last Jedi if I'm being honest I'd say that was feeling a bit iffy for me,” Boyega says. “I didn't necessarily agree with a lot of the choices in that and that's something that spoke to Mark [Hamill] a lot about and we had conversations about it. And it was hard for all of us, because we were separated."
Boyega has been candid on Twitter about his feelings on Finn’s story, and much to his surprise, Star Wars fans have responded to say they craved more of his story. He believes there’s more to be told with the character, but not as a standalone project, as he thinks Finn truly shines when he’s paired with Daisy Ridley’s Rey and Oscar Isaac’s Poe Dameron.
“I guess the original Star Wars films there was much more of a trio feel where it was essentially about Luke's journey, but Han and Leia there was a strong dynamic, which I think, I don't know how quickly we're going to be able to establish that longterm dynamic with [Episode] Nine. But if it's exploring that dynamic, then that would be cool,” he notes. “I do feel even after three films still, we don't know them as much as we got to know Han, Luke, Leia. And maybe that's a great opportunity to get to know them a little bit more.”
Like many fans online, Boyega believes in the themes previously established within the Star Wars franchise, rather than the focus on the realism introduced in The Last Jedi, and would only return to the character if the future story encapsulated those classic characteristics. “The banter, the bickering, the undercover romances that then manifest an epic moment. That for me is Star Wars. It's not hyperreal or realistic or grounded. Don't do any of that. It's like connection, family, friendship. If they're going to do it in that direction, then absolutely.”
@@Ruylopez778 Yeah, I'm not reading any of that lad.
The end result is simply this; you didn't enjoy Finn's arc in TLJ, and I actually did. While it's flawed, there's a fascinating triumvirate occurring between him, Rose and DJ. I really enjoyed watching it play out. Canto Bight? It was fine, wasn't it? A casino planet is really not that far from what we've seen before in Star Wars. That's it. It doesn't make you or John Boyega wrong.
It definitely needed more Phasma though. That's the one major thing I disagree with Rian Johnson about when he said there was no room for her in the script. She had a very important role to play in Finn's development and it would have been great to see Gwendoline Christie out of the helmet and actually interacting in the story just once.
@@jimjam7928 Fascinating? You must have watched too many analysis videos.
We meet DJ in a prison. It's not a shock he double crosses them.
And again, I'm not saying you can't love TLJ. But again, because you can't seem to accept this, having an "arc" does make a great character, great movie or great part. Just like there are great parts without character arcs.
The reason you keep going on about 'arcs' is because nobody is saying TLJ is fun and exciting. Everybody talks about themes and arcs and development - and some people even talk about jokes, but nobody says it's fun.
If you're not going to listen to what other people say, it's not surprising you just summarise what you think other people think.
I'm talking about what Boyega wanted - which is related to his opinion, and you're telling me that Boyega is wrong, because he isn't supporting what you like.
That's your problem.
@@jimjam7928 19:33 quoting Mr Sunday, "I like that movie, but that's not a very compelling arc"
19:40 Maso, "The casino planet... the reason they're on that planet could very well have been compacted into one two minute scene...they are shunted off.... the time could have been better spent integrating them into the main cast"
Don't forget to poke holes in the potato so it doesn't explode.
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Disney+ isn't free Mason
They marketed finn alot in the first one to get people qondering, then when the truth came out they didnt really need him fsce front anymore. I am not a star wars fan in any way thid is just my interoretation
I honestly dont think the movie is that different.
No
Cool
More videos on The Boys but finish the damn comic first!
Brunch, James Brunch.
The Boys has 3 seasons? What happened to season 2? Gotta get out from under my rock I guess
Season 2 just started coming out, it's been renewed for season 3
These jackasses were tripping over themselves torturing to not say they think it’s incredibly unprofessional to not notify you producers and literal hundreds of people that depend on your starring role working on the movies that there is a potential risk you will not be available due to sickness
Uhhh.. 💜
They're going to have to have Namor kill Black Panther right off the bat in a movie
I think they may try to drop a few hints in the Marvel TV series leading up to a possible Black Panther 2 where his death has already happened off screen, but mentioned and the opening is Wakanda still grieving
no.
2 Lan 2 Luxurious
I just rub those big rubbery hands!
Love me! Its me or the wall
The Boys season 3? You mean season 2 James 🤦🏽♂️😅
Chekhovs Comment
So now you can bake a potato with all the meat you get from the meat m8s
The Boys is easily the best super hero show ever made. Amazon is winning with this one