Nice to see a video of a move I had a hand in planning! The outward run took 90016 for repaint and 66509 has just come out from the paintshop, and the 197 needed taking away from Wolverton so we thought why not kill 3 birds with 1 stone!
@317 Dan Are Freightliner changing their livery then?? Much prefer the old one (like that other 66 on the other line) although I'm sure the new one will grow on me!
the wagons are probably for brake force. When moving a DMU in a freight train the DMUs brakes aren't compatible with freight train brakes, so they usually are isolated, with extra vehicles added to the consist to ensure it has enough braking.
As they say about railway modelling, you can make something absolutely precise to the photographic record... Or you can do what you want, and someone somewhere will have proof that it happened.
Thanks that was very interesting, the 90 was drawing some current , sparking away like old times before they were built Well done 👏 and thanks again Sir
That 66 was freshly painted I think, and I'm guessing that 197 needed dragging so they multitasked the-also wierd seeing a 90 pulling something which isn't an intermodal
The brand new unit in the consist will not have operating brakes, the coal hoppers will be providing braking power. The class 90 will probably come off at Crewe and the diesel continue towards Wales.
I'm from the U.S., fascinating mixed bag of a trainset. However, the passenger multiple unit, it's doors don't line up well with the platform here. They seem too high. Are the platforms in Wales higher up than in this part of the U.K.? If so, what do they do about long distance trains, how to they accommodate the different platforms heights? I know in the U.S. there are a few lines like this, but the passenger cars have some high doors and low doors to accommodate the different platform heights, but this is all on one commuter line usually specific to that service.
Yep agree.. Its a brake pipe train.. maybe the second loco in tow is the main "brake" from a "tractive effort" point to view.. Interesting intermix to unwind.. probably siding limits
Nice capture - it isn't a fright move but a unit drag / delivery, the wagons are there as break force for the unit. I would have ventured out to Wolverton if I weren't busy - very interesting to see a set of doors weren't fully closed, I knew they had issues with doors befote they departed.
It makes me wonder, if the hoppers were purely for Brake force, why was there 5 of them in rear? unless they were the only wagons available and they just left them together.
@@stephensmith4480 The auto brake has to be operational on the last vehicle in the train as per the rule book. I believe Freightliner require it to be operational on the last 3 minimum.
@@petec2583 I`m not sure what the standard is for Freightliner, I thought it was a Network Rail group standard for everyone being the same. Although the requirement is to only check the Tail lamp Vehicle during the Brake test, the wording of the Rule Book changed to Having The Minimum Brake force in rear as required. Still makes me wonder why there were 5 vehicles in rear if it was purely for Brake force unless as I said, they just happened to be together, I know I wouldn`t split them and I have been doing it for 33 years.
Back in the days of BR, they once had a plan of using some DMU's to pull goods trains to the smaller out of the way locations. Never happened, but I think the concept is used in other countries.
When they do a load like that, do they get charged for all of the axles? I mean does whoever bought the train have to pay for delivery including all axles of the train? Did they do that because the brake systems are not compatible?
Yep a different it was a different consort ,, maybe the passengercars had some flat tryes by the sound of it .. you could hear it in both parts of the video's. Good to see that they are putting headlights on trains in the U.K. finally. How many (if anyone knows) of them diesel 66 class engines were made ? Cheers from John in Australia
GBRf tried to buy some new Class 66 in 2017, but new UK emission regulations stopped them from placing an order. In the end they had to buy old class 56 locomotives and upgrade them to class 69 instead (because it was cheaper than developing new locomotives).
I suspect the 66 is there to take the train somewhere without wires, possibly not very far, the unit is in transit, of course. Locos normally need the train to do the majority of the braking, and I suspect they probably can't operate the brakes on the unit from the loco meaning the wagons are there for braking power.
3.00- is the 66 running? Also I'm surprised the 197s weren't placed at the back of the train. - are passenger trains structurally strong enough to safely pull freight wagons, albeit empty?
Like the deliveries of 777s they use wagons as both coupling translator vehicles and to provide brake force. That DMU would be treated as unbraked through piped, so would need sufficient amount of vehicles behind it to provide the required brake force to stop in the unlikely event that the train split.
Nice video. I wonder why the 66's engine was idling (characteristic ying ying) although it didn't seem to be working in multiple with the 90 (assuming that's possible) when pulling away.
not unusual at all, the passenger unit was Not in use, is Brand new & being delivered to where it will based, the freight wagons are used for brake force, as the unit is switched off.
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Nice to see a video of a move I had a hand in planning! The outward run took 90016 for repaint and 66509 has just come out from the paintshop, and the 197 needed taking away from Wolverton so we thought why not kill 3 birds with 1 stone!
Good planning I’d say 👍👍👍
Kudos!
Are the coal wagons the same wagons that were taken out of York yard last week?
@317 Dan Are Freightliner changing their livery then?? Much prefer the old one (like that other 66 on the other line) although I'm sure the new one will grow on me!
@@martinjh999 Yep the colours of the parent company and IMO looks bloody disgusting.
the wagons are probably for brake force. When moving a DMU in a freight train the DMUs brakes aren't compatible with freight train brakes, so they usually are isolated, with extra vehicles added to the consist to ensure it has enough braking.
As they say about railway modelling, you can make something absolutely precise to the photographic record...
Or you can do what you want, and someone somewhere will have proof that it happened.
When you're playing with your model railway and decide to couple everything up for a giggle ...
We saw this train on our journey from London to Shrewsbury via Crewe and wondered what it was all about. Great to see it covered.
Thanks that was very interesting, the 90 was drawing some current , sparking away like old times before they were built
Well done 👏 and thanks again Sir
Immense catch, well filmed. Thanks for sharing!
Paint jobs look fresh!! Look forward to seeing one
That 66 was freshly painted I think, and I'm guessing that 197 needed dragging so they multitasked the-also wierd seeing a 90 pulling something which isn't an intermodal
The 66 was indeed fresh out of the paint shop - It’s all been lumped together as one very unique movement. Good to see 👍
@@trainsplanes went dont to wolverton as 2 x 90 one class got left at wolverton for repaint
When they delivered the S stock on the underground they used bogie tank wagons ,and when I worked at CLJ the then new 707s had a similar arrangement
Hi Nice catch New stock for Wales!
Awesome video
Great catch and definitely a weird move
Wow! All that overhead! How can the grafiti be stopped?
Formated mixed consist, 'next available transit' unusual but is perfectly viable.
Lucky capture 👍
Well- done
Thanks Bernice 👍
Lovely thankyou
The brand new unit in the consist will not have operating brakes, the coal hoppers will be providing braking power. The class 90 will probably come off at Crewe and the diesel continue towards Wales.
I'm from the U.S., fascinating mixed bag of a trainset. However, the passenger multiple unit, it's doors don't line up well with the platform here. They seem too high. Are the platforms in Wales higher up than in this part of the U.K.? If so, what do they do about long distance trains, how to they accommodate the different platforms heights? I know in the U.S. there are a few lines like this, but the passenger cars have some high doors and low doors to accommodate the different platform heights, but this is all on one commuter line usually specific to that service.
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@@marcusdamberger you get all sorts of platform heights and gaps. Train manager will have a ramp on board to assist passengers if needed.
Yep agree.. Its a brake pipe train.. maybe the second loco in tow is the main "brake" from a "tractive effort" point to view.. Interesting intermix to unwind.. probably siding limits
There is no H in Wales.
nice shot
Fantastic video!
Thanks Stewart.. 👍
Freightliner were just like "gahhh screw it we'll stick all this lot together"
66509, impressive orange with racing stripes. We have that same G&W livery repainting Utah Rail.
Nice capture - it isn't a fright move but a unit drag / delivery, the wagons are there as break force for the unit. I would have ventured out to Wolverton if I weren't busy - very interesting to see a set of doors weren't fully closed, I knew they had issues with doors befote they departed.
Well said I agree with you not a freight movement
New unit being delivered
It makes me wonder, if the hoppers were purely for Brake force, why was there 5 of them in rear? unless they were the only wagons available and they just left them together.
@@stephensmith4480 The auto brake has to be operational on the last vehicle in the train as per the rule book. I believe Freightliner require it to be operational on the last 3 minimum.
@@petec2583 I`m not sure what the standard is for Freightliner, I thought it was a Network Rail group standard for everyone being the same. Although the requirement is to only check the Tail lamp Vehicle during the Brake test, the wording of the Rule Book changed to Having The Minimum Brake force in rear as required. Still makes me wonder why there were 5 vehicles in rear if it was purely for Brake force unless as I said, they just happened to be together, I know I wouldn`t split them and I have been doing it for 33 years.
having a closer look, as 1 pair of DMU doors are open, the DMU brakes must be isolated.
Great diversity here, something for everyone in this train.
Thats an unusual load a class 90 pulling a shed then a emu plus hoppers quite a strange load that 🤔 nice catch tho 😎
Thanks Justin 👍
thats one open door :)
Nice catch
It would've been super perfect if the Trafford park to Felixstowe was lead by 66510 but ohh well you can never too perfect
Very rare move,, very nice too. 😎👍
It's state of the art in Germany to tow a heavy, "dead" train with fright-cars to help breaking!
Nice!
The fright wagons are acting as barrier wagons which provides extra brake force for the dead train
Making its way through the undergrowth I see.
Ran twice last week with different 197's from wolverton works but with only a class 66.
A double header- class 90 + class 66-JHA-transport for wales-class 197-unit drag?
Well that's certainly different 👍
Why a double header I wonder, just 9 trucks or was second loco just being moved maybe?
Hi Geoff, the class 66 was a non-runner - It was hitching a ride back as it had just come out of the paint shop.
Back in the days of BR, they once had a plan of using some DMU's to pull goods trains to the smaller out of the way locations. Never happened, but I think the concept is used in other countries.
This was featured in a Thomas The Tank Engine story when Daisy (a Class 121) was asked to pull a milk car.
I sure they did this in Ireland, the units that did this had heavier transmissions
What were the odds on that combo? 🤔👍
Intercity 225 freight train???
@1:40 are the doors mean to be open?
No - They should be closed..
I like the Genesee And Wyoming Locomotives
Yes, very strange and unusual
When they do a load like that, do they get charged for all of the axles? I mean does whoever bought the train have to pay for delivery including all axles of the train? Did they do that because the brake systems are not compatible?
Ah so you were the one who I spoke to!
That could well have been me 😜
It went through Nuneaton station when I was nearby :(:(:(
Yep a different it was a different consort ,, maybe the passengercars had some flat tryes by the sound of it .. you could hear it in both parts of the video's.
Good to see that they are putting headlights on trains in the U.K. finally.
How many (if anyone knows) of them diesel 66 class engines were made ?
Cheers from John in Australia
Approximately 690 of which the UK has around 480.
UK Loco's have always had headlights of some discription..
GBRf tried to buy some new Class 66 in 2017, but new UK emission regulations stopped them from placing an order. In the end they had to buy old class 56 locomotives and upgrade them to class 69 instead (because it was cheaper than developing new locomotives).
I suspect the 66 is there to take the train somewhere without wires, possibly not very far, the unit is in transit, of course. Locos normally need the train to do the majority of the braking, and I suspect they probably can't operate the brakes on the unit from the loco meaning the wagons are there for braking power.
3.00- is the 66 running?
Also I'm surprised the 197s weren't placed at the back of the train. - are passenger trains structurally strong enough to safely pull freight wagons, albeit empty?
66509 wasn’t running however the class 66 behind on the Garston Intermodal was so it probably gave that impression. 👍
Like the deliveries of 777s they use wagons as both coupling translator vehicles and to provide brake force. That DMU would be treated as unbraked through piped, so would need sufficient amount of vehicles behind it to provide the required brake force to stop in the unlikely event that the train split.
@@trainsplanes that was 66594 that was left running for around 1 hour
Best part of video is the Announcement of the delayed avanti train
Not uncommon lol
Surprised the train even moved considering the carriage door was open!
The unit would have been dead though so the door interlock wouldn't be active.
The unit is unbraked hence the wagons for brake force. What I am concerned about is the open doors would take the unit out of gauge.
Nice video. I wonder why the 66's engine was idling (characteristic ying ying) although it didn't seem to be working in multiple with the 90 (assuming that's possible) when pulling away.
London Gateway to Garston with 66594 arrived an hour early!
Not possible to multi - the Class 90s don’t have AAR.
@@bfapple no mate, 66594 was on 4M58 which is behind, 66509 was turned off
@@nathan83699 I was replying to the original comment.
Unit was out of guage as a set of doors were open.
Never thought I woukd see passenger carriages tethered to freight wagons. Very unusual 🤔
not unusual at all, the passenger unit was Not in use, is Brand new & being delivered to where it will based, the freight wagons are used for brake force, as the unit is switched off.
Well....it isn't a freight working is it?
Just a brand new unit being moved using convertor/brake force wagons....🤷♂️
That's just a Dead locomotive drag and a New unit movement with brakeforce wagons on too
First and Third Class.
Ooh
a class 66, 90 and 197 all in one train lol
That was epiiccccccc
A class 90 pulling a class 66 pulling freight wagons and a 197 in there cause why not
Kinda looks like the 66 failed!
Veuh why is there a passenger train
Anyone seen my 197? I left it somewhere.... 😅
Should have parked it properly, it got towed away by wardens 😂
That "semi open" door would have tempted many the UK would-be hobo!
Clearly that multiple unit identifys as a freight wagon
Definitely... Mixed.. Traffic.. 🤔
thats the new train so hobos can travel in comfort [hobo]a american slang for tramps plus new colour looks like a JAFFA cake
🚂🚂🚂🚂👌👌
Wdym this is CLEARLY a passenger train smh 🤣
Not classed as a Freight move.
Not a fan of the paint job (or lack thereof) on the front of the 197.
Na.. guys.. its a fake CGI.. some guys winding you up.. How come green ones have graffiti.. Blender.copy etc...
comments of an insane person
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@@minusjos This is the internet, what do you expect?