Scotland cannot hold new independence referendum without Westminster approval, Supreme Court rules
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- The Scottish parliament cannot hold a second independence referendum without Westminster approval, the supreme court has ruled.
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The decision, delivered by the supreme court president, Lord Reed, came after an unprecedented hearing at the UK’s highest court into whether Holyrood had the legal authority to legislate for a referendum on Scottish independence without Westminster granting it the required powers. The ruling is likely to anger Scottish nationalists and lead the first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, to follow through on her promise to 'put our case for independence to the people in an election'.
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If England wanted an independence referendum, would the same court have to give permission?
That's going to come up a lot in the coming months.
@@georgemiller9212 is it? With over 500 English mps I don’t know a single one pushing it currently or historically, what are you basing this off?
Yes it'd give an independence referendum because the commons is sovereign. Well, parliament they say is sovereign, but practical wise it's the commons which is. The commons is english.
@@New-ye2fl Maybe there aren't any English MPs pushing for Independence, but the question asked is still valid though. Care to answer it?
@@alanbrown9178 To be clear:
The Court is not giving or denying permission.
It's CLARIFYING the fact that The Westminster Parliament, not the Court, have to give permission for an independence referendum.
So, both the English and Scottish would need permission from that Westminster Parliament.. but for different reasons:
The English don't have a separate Parliament from the British one.
The Scots do have a Parliament, but it is not powerful enough to call a referendum.
In my personal opinion, it is a great blessing to be part of this country, and it is a mystery why anyone would want to leave it.
We are very lucky to be British.
Not really the United Kingdom anymore.
Never has been for wee krankie and her minions😐
It is and Scotland voted to remain in it except it.
@@Guitarpeacepic Why should they? People leave dead marriages all the time.
Sean Kavanagh
Nothing is dead within it, Scotland is a free country (Sean) unless your to thick to understand that.
Go outside for a walk, it’s a free country. (Scotland)
What next, if yes had won. Then want, Scotland would still be the same (nothing changed) the economy would be weaker, stabbing friends in the back. Is that thicko, Sean what you want.
Also Sean, if yes had won.
Would you be calling for another referendum. Course not thicko
@@Guitarpeacepic well when stay was voted on it was under the assumption that we would remain in the EU, we voted 67% to stay in the EU and no special exceptions were made for Scotland even though we are a Separate entity from England.
Also learn to spell Accept before trying to pick apart politics.
Scotland should ignore this travesty and unilaterally declare independence.
That would be unlawful.
@@lorddaver5729So
@@Coneelfrancis What do you mean "so"? Which part of "it would be unlawful" don't you understand?
@@lorddaver5729 What if, Scotland rebelled against the UK and declare independence and set up it own government just like the USA what will they do??
@@Coneelfrancis You are ignoring the fact that in the independence referendum in 2014 the majority of Scots - 55 percent - voted against breaking from the UK. You talk as if all Scots want independence. They don't.
There is a family with one parent and three children.
The children are in their 40's, but have never been allowed to leave home.
What could possibly go wrong?
And who is responsible?
Sounds condescending
The UK will not let Scotland leave. They're on a tight leash
England you mean. Let's call a spade, a spade here...
There a very real chance that Northen Ireland and Scotland could leave the UK in the foreseeable future. And that will not bode well for the remaining nations.
After today's news, why do you think this will happen?
I'm not so sure about Scotland but certainly Northern Ireland. We just need to wait for a strategic moment and not mess up like the Scots.
@@richardmullens4707 willful optimism, just like this pointless court case.
IT DOESN'T BODE WELL FOR ANYONE
@@tadhgcronin175 Tiocfaidh ár lá
This verdict is undemocratic and a manifestation of authoritarianism over the people who are supposed to decide their own destiny.
I'm sure you would be singing a different song had they said "Go ahead".
No, it is a carefully considered correct legal judgement.
They already did decide their destiny with the first independence vote, so accept that democratic decision and live with it for goodness sake.
Let me refer you to the so called once in a generation independence referendum of 2014 were the Scottish people voted to remain in the union.
No it's not. The Scots had a referendum and voted to be ruled by England. It's their choice. Respect it.
Put it to Election, Nicola
Send it to the people. They decide not these out of touch judges
And if we vote against a second time? Run it back? How many repeats before she gives up?
@@aleccap5946 people voted in 2014.
@@gary8306 June wasn't it ? When the only thing dodgy Dave got right in his term as PM was resign - 23rd June 2016 you silly sod, years doesn't seem possible to still be tied to the EU
@@aleccap5946 Let me refer you to the so called once in a generation independence referendum of 2014 were the Scottish people voted to remain in the union, can you please respect that democratic decision & move on for goodness sake!
Grudge and grievance, barely concealed racism towards the english, and victim mentality. Toxic and depressing and not looking positively at the opportunities you already have and stand to lose.
Much like brexit, indyref is just an excuse for people to avoid facing their own demons and actually taking responsibility for making their own changes.
Or maybe they just don't want to be ruled from London and you're the one with a complex here.
Bow to yours overlords is what they basically just said.
It's what you voted for
they said that holyrood agreed to leave certain matters to the UK government, and independence fits into the definition of the matters holyrood agreed they do not have power on. its not surprising. theres a reason why the last vote had approval.
@@tadhgcronin175 Things have changed since 2014
One of the most important changes: Brexit
Hold another referendum already
@@dragon55017 Yes things have changed and Scotland is getting more than it's fair share of the money given out by Westminster and what is worse it cannot all be accounted for and much is wasted running overseas "Embassies" You certainly have the right handle corrupted 😂
Scotland and Northern Ireland will eventually leave Britain.This is just a matter of time.
Saor Alba!
What other Gaelic words do you know? Pathetic.
Scotland is already free
You had your chance. Most countries have to fight for independence. You voted for rule by London. Accept the vote.
Scotland is being held in servitude !!
Secede , Scotland !!
They had a vote and voted to be ruled by England. It's what they want. They are not ready for independence.
No your not...
Scotland signed an act with no way out and gets lots of money.
@@josm1206 what act was that?
Allow me to refer you to the so called once in a generation independence referendum of 2014 were the Scottish people voted to remain in the union, we've had a democratic vote already you can't just vote & vote & vote until you win & call it undemocratic if they don't let you, can you please respect that democratic decision & move on for goodness sake!
Support Scotland independence
For a weaker economy and stabbing friends in the back.
No thanks mate, Scotland is already free as it is, with being amongst friends in a union/UK.
No change just for the sake of it.
And I Christiana Mary support Scotland to be free which it’s already is.
To stay with friends in the Union/UK, and not to stab friends in the back, I Christiana Mary support Scotland in Union/UK
Thank you Christiana Mary fir speaking the truth then
no thanks . 🇬🇧
I really don't understand Scottish problem haven't Scottish already made decision to be with United Kingdom in 2014 referendum ..... Majority Scottish people have voted to stay in Scotland, Scotland must ignore Chihuahua Minority who want to break Kingdom...
There we have it Scotland it seems your future and the basic of human rights ie. self determination will be decided by the English in direct contravention of the Universal Human Rights Act. How does it feel to be subserviant when the English Parliament and Courts can unilaterly decide to hold referendums and make laws that affect you. You have no say in the matter which is true democracy UK style
It is the British parliament and supreme court, not English, and President of Supreme Court, Judge Reed is also from Scotland
Ramifications of the 2014 vote, democracy in action👌
@@hongdaxu6169 he's from dumfries and Galloway I'm sure... calling someone from there scottish is a schoogley peg in all honesty...
I’m on the fence when it comes to independence but we should at least be allowed a referendum
@@fusilier5260 much has changed since then
Wait so these politicians are telling us Scots we can’t vote for our own referendum. But u all support Ukraine’s independence don’t u?
@A S great to know 👍
No. We support the Referendums in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhe and Kherson. The Scots had their chance and messed up. Oh and Catalonia too, they voted for independence.
@@tadhgcronin175 that’s the glory about democracy lol we can vote more than once.
That argument is just complete nonsense
Irrelevant deflection. Indy is dead, get used to it.
@@cnoc500 not irrelevant at all. I can put money on that they people standing in that room will come out and support Ukraine decision for independence. so how is this any different?
The English Supreme Courts decision is untenable under International Law as well as Scots Law.
Given that Britain has fully signed up to the laws laid down at the UN it looks as though this will be kicking in soon, and as colonies were abolished 60 years ago the writing is on the wall now for Britain:
The rights of a people, such as for example in this case Scotland, is stressed in Article one of the Charter of the United Nations Organisation, which sets out the main purposes of the UN.
Article 1 Par. 2 of the Charter clearly states:
"To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;"
There are two main components of UN international law that lay out the rights for self-determination, they are the "UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights", and the "UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights". Both of these covenants expand Art.1 Par. 2 of the Charter into more detailed statements. The first articles of both of these two Covenants say the same thing:
Article 1
1. All peoples have the right of self determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic cooperation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.
3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non Self- Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realisation of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.
Paragraph 3 clearly states the obligation for the active promotion of the right of self-determination, in addition to respecting that right.
These UN statements of international law are the basis for all the others, such as for example the Helsinki Final Act, amongst others. They all re-affirm the basic foundation principles on the rights of self determination. At the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe at the Hofburg Palace in Vienna in January 1989, the following was stated and written:
"[The participating states] confirm that, by virtue of the principle of equal rights and self determination of peoples, and in conformity with the relevant provisions of the [Helsinki] Final Act, all peoples always have the right, in full freedom, to determine, when and as they wish, their internal and external political status, without external interference, and to pursue as they wish their political, economic and cultural development."
It is really very clear what the above says, there can be no misinterpretation. England does not have a leg to stand on, in fact no legs at all, to support the ruling of the Supreme court on Scotland. Scotland can only be viewed as an English colony and will be de-colonised via international law as were all the other colonies back in the 1950's and 1960's. The English supreme court has made a rod for England's back with this ruling bearing in mind that the above statement led to the formation of 24 newly independent states after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
That, as laid out via International Law, is the irrefutable guarantee that gives the Scottish people the irrevocable right to make their own decision on what form of government they want, to decide that in their own time, and with no interference by outside interests, such as for example, in this particular case, the English Supreme Court at the behest of Westminster. In fact, it was even debated in the British Parliament on Wednesday the 4th of July 2018 and this quote taken directly from Hansard: "That this House endorses the principles of the Claim of Right for Scotland, agreed by the Scottish Constitutional Convention in 1989 and by the Scottish Parliament in 2012, and therefore acknowledges the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of government best suited to their needs." It seems that the English Supreme Court missed something fundamentally important in their ruling done under English Law.
It is all over for Britain now under UN de-colonisation mandates that were carried out sixty years ago and something that Britain (lets face it, its really just "Greater England") signed up to.
It was actually a wonderful ruling, as it amply highlights the deficit of democracy inherent within the UK, which is, lets face it all about England by the English and for the English via Parliamentary representation 10 to 1 in England's favour. Hardly a democracy for Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland, just a democracy for England and what it wants.
True man
“English Supreme Court” it is very much the UK Supreme Court. Lord reed who was reading the judgement is Scottish and used to sit on Scottish courts.
@@csmar7746 english supreme court.
@@goldie0919 You obviously have no comprehension of what I wrote in my initial comment at the top of this thread that you were replying to. Everything that I put in it was correct and it went right over the top of your head. You should read it again if you even read it properly in the first place. Article 1 of the UN is perfectly clear and the Supreme Court completely misrepresented it in its ruling. I stated the truth on the wording of Article 1 and indeed the Helsinki Final Act.
@@csmar7746 the English Supreme court uses English Law, they did not make this ruling using Scots Law, they did it under English Law. There is no such thing as "British Law". You'll have to consider and understand what Article 19 of the Treaty of Union states taken in conjunction with Article 25 which covers and protects any of the Articles agreed upon in the treaty between Scotland and England.
Another referendum should be allowed as long as there’s been a big enough change in the circumstances affecting popular opinion. The people who voted in 2014 didn’t do so with Brexit in mind because Brexit wasn’t a thing. Scotland should be able to vote again.
An EU in/out referendum came right out of the blue. It was a complete unknown in 2014, it only became s thing after the tories won the 2015 Genersl Election and Conmoron remained PM.
Also, it's been nearly a decade. I was 10 years old when it happened, and now I'm nearly 19. My little sister could vote in it if it's after May. Thousands of young people have become able to vote since the last ref, and unfortunately, thousands of elderly voters have died. The youth are overwhelmingly pro indy, so it is a very different demographic
FREEDOM!
Allow me to refer you to the so called once in a generation independence referendum of 2014 were the Scottish people voted to remain in the union, we've had a democratic vote already you can't just vote & vote & vote until you win & call it undemocratic if they don't let you, can you please respect that democratic decision & move on for goodness sake!
Yes thanks Scotland already has freedom and don’t want to lose that, where as Nicola Sturgeon wants us Scots to lose that.
I think the king of England was whispering in someone’s ears
Just do it Scotland, your a proud and powerful people. England is a sinking ship.
It sure is
We don't have the legal authority. What part of that statement don't you understand?
Hypocritical democracy
how?
@@peltimies2469 Ask Biden, can Scotland be independent?
Scotexit
Just put a vote to the Scottish electorate, asking the question of holding a referendum.
They did in 2014
@@boop9239 referendum aren’t a limited use function of government. Besides, I was talking in general terms.
@@DaraM73 Ok, so do we have one every year, 3 years, 5 years, 10 years? Do you see the problem. We could be at this for the end of time.
Give the whole of the United Kingdom a vote on it. After all we’re in a United Kingdom .
That looks awfully like you are suggesting they should have a referendum on whether they should have a referendum....
Yet again old archaic Lords oppressing and limiting the future of millions of peoples lives.
Is this a case of “Enemies of the People Judges” blocking democracy or does that only apply to Brexit?!
Sturgeon knew full well what the answer was before bringing the case. The law is very clear. It was merely a political stunt.
Well, if the Brexit referendum had gone to remain, it would have been wrong to try to hold another referendum.
Scotland had indy ref ten years ago bro chill 😂
Nicola sturgeon does not represent the whole of Scotland, she makes Scotland sound like an oppressed nation, like it's an unwilling member of the Union, the sooner she's gone the better for Scotland!
@@1800WETANAL not even 10 years ago😅
Free democratic country. Hypocrisy.
Delete Commonwealth
Scotland has a parliament, Wales which is part of England since 1530 has an assembly, the six north eastern counties of Ireland have an assembly, we can only presume that Westminster is the English parliament, that adds up doesn't it?
Asking for independence is like asking permission to protest.
Two things Westminster are attacking with legalese drivvle.
Are you referring to the so called once in a generation independence referendum of 2014 or are you trying to push for another referendum because you didn't agree with the result outcome?
Very desperate and hopeless Nicola Sturgeon left the chat 😪😭😰
You claim to be big but when Scotland leave you not scotexit we happened with or without the UK Europe union is the goal
A change just for the sake of it, a weaker economy, stabbing friends in the back. Is that what you want. Thicko.
Cas only thick people want that.
this is BS... we need a ScottXit asap
2014
@@kasparvolk or just get benefits and make democracy deniers pay for it. No taxation without representation.
@@Blazingmonolith1 Aye, alot has changed since then
That means they can get sepparated without referendum?
Interesting idea!
No
That's the next phase... Next general election.
Obviously.
This is the result Sturgeon expected, and wanted.
It allows the politics of grievance to continue...
Get a grip ffs - Independence is about Scotland’s future not Nicola Sturgeons
And one you hoped for, bow the knee to your English master!!!!!!!!!!
@Roger Mellie why would that change anything - plenty English people respect Scotlands own choice on its own Independence
Uk no constitution should Scotland independence
The Scottish people need their own freedom, not the freedom of England
Gang Zhou
Scotland already has its own freedom, freedom to do anything we wish to do, any. (You talk as through we’ll in prison)
We aren’t in prison, so don’t talk to us like that, don’t. And don’t disrespect us, Scots, thanks.
No change for the sake of it, no to a weaker economy no to stabbing friends in the back,
Yes to freedom to remain in Scotland being in the Union/UK, and No to Nicola who spreads hate.
Yea for love to beat hate, yes for Scotland to stay with friends in the union/UK, love beats hate. Gang,
@@oliverwood7190 You said very well, but I did not spread hatred;
Why does England have the right to decide the fate of others? Is this what you call freedom?
Besides, you said you were free in Scotland? So why do people in Scotland want to support independence?
@@gangzhou5407 the Scots were given an independence referendum vote in 2014 and the Scottish people voted No to independence. The SNP cannot ask for another one without Westminster's approval as the judgement of the Supreme Court has correctly ruled,the SNP has no legal basis for doing so.
@@eyeofthetiger6002 The majority is subordinate to the minority? The minority is subordinate to the majority?
All are centralization of power.
@@gangzhou5407 no idea what you're talking about, which part of referendum don't you understand?
He is Scottish himself
A Scottish King brought in the Union now the whinging parts of Scotland want their wee ball back 😀 👍
One king hardly holds the views and concerns of the average subject
Hope you realise that was only the union of the crowns when england didn't have a heir to the throne, the acts of union is when england forced scotland into a union
2 reason their fighting so hard to hold onto Scotland... Oil and gas 😂 😂
Most countries have to fight for their independence. The Scots were given an opportunity to vote for independence but decided to be ruled from London. Should be a 50 year timeout now.
"When circumstances change, I change my mind. What do you do Sir?" John Maynard Keynes, 1883-1946
No some people were scared off from the lies that were told and the vow 2 days out because they were shutting themselves.
If Scotland is such a burden why are they so desperate to keep us?
Next election should be a commitment to a newly written up scottish constitution that asserts sovereignty and territorial integrity of the people and the land. At that point if the fascists send in the red coats and the dragoons then and only then will the un get involved as its oppression and a real crisis. Up to the scottish government to get a backbone though and put such a constitution on the table for the people to vote for.
Nicola tired herself to following the rules set by the EU and said the Supreme Court is to be respected and followed to the letter.. Remember.. No.10 parties.. Nicola was out there everyday banging the drum oh he needs to resign the court the court.. Well she now needs to respect the court here as well now.. Who wants to beg she comes up with an excuse to continue to ignore anything she doesn't want to hear.
A verdict in favour of a constitution which denies a Sovereign people a say on the fundamental question of their own governance. The UK Parliament is majority English representatives who are instinctually against an independent Scotland. What kind of democracy quashes any recourse to self-determination for a self-standing people but maintains an incompetent government for which they did not vote?
I'm English and I can't really argue with that. I think the power should be devolved to the Scottish government. It's like being in a marriage and the other partner having to agree to you leaving.
No other sovereign state is playing Russian roulette with its territorial integrity. The SNP want to breakup the UK so it necessarily involves the interests of the rest of the UK. Just like 2014 the SNP needs to pursuade Westminster for a vote. Does the German government allow Bavaria, (officially the Free State of Bavaria) to have an Indy vote whenever they want? No, of course not.
@@aleph8888 Germany is a federal state; the UK is a putative union of Sovereign nations - Scotland being a VOLUNTARY member. There is no territory to be lost or gained, here; Scotland's border is not in dispute. The problem, in both practice and principle, is the lack of a mechanism for a country - with a unique history, culture, and peoples - to be able to determine its own political arrangements. Should a vote necessarily have been had in Brussels for a referendum on the UK leaving the EU?
@@dadaflyte1353
The UK was not subject of a sovereign Europe, while Scotland was the subject of a sovereign UK. The EU analogies made by the pro independence side just often do not take into consideration that fact.
David Flyte, put that to a test and let English, Welsh, and Northern Irish citizens of the United Kingdom also vote on whether they share to leave it. You MIGHT surprised to find out that there might be English more English people who want Scotland and England to no longer be part of the same sovereign nation state.
I'll start by saying I'm English and live in England and very much DON'T want to see Sctoland leave. However, whilst it might be necessary for the Scottish Parliament to obtain the consent of Westminster for any Referendum to carry constitutional weight. Nevertheless politically speaking (and morally) it would be IMPOSSIBLE for the Scottish Parliament to vote to have a Referendum and then for Westminster to block. Additionally nothing would ensure Scottish independence faster than doing that. It would also be immoral, especially coming from those who cried so loudly about 'The will of the People' in other areas.
Just small P and capital P blocking a Referendum isn't workable. And as I say I want Sctoland to stay part of the UK.
Morally, it's wrong to ignore a once in a lifetime referendum result. That's what the SNP are doing.
Scotland had a vote ten years ago and voted to remain in the UK
I'm Scottish & let me tell you "we aren't going anywhere" Scotland is the UK the UK is Scotland!🇬🇧💙
@@timh7882 True there was however the major change of leaving the EU in between.
Again I very much want Scotland to stay part of the UK.
I would like to say I’m English and live in England and would very much like to see Scotland leave the union. It’s time they learnt to stand on their own with their own currency
Kosovo ICJ case !
A seceding nation is not bound by the domestic law of the dominant nation !
It can be ignored !
Give Scotland back to the original people
Africans?
It looks like ppl may have to fight for independence.
Why don’t the SNP abstain from spending English tax payers money as a little taster of independence. I think you can do that without a referendum.
That's fine, if they can keep their resources and revenues (I'm thinking oil/gas and renewables).
@@miguelsilva9118 that’s fine too if the English can keep theirs. I’m thinking the city of London.
@@iberian5319I’d rather keep it
@@miguelsilva9118 that will not provide enough revenue to sustain Scottish independence. They need the English pound
@@beaufighter245 in the beginning, I agree they will. In time they can shed the pound, either by having their own currency or joining the eurozone.
We were Bought and sold for English gold
"Union" of "equals"......
This was expected after Queens death
Fantastic news
Let me refer you to the so called once in a generation independence referendum of 2014 were the Scottish people voted to remain in the union, can you please respect that democratic decision & move on for goodness sake!
What a waste of taxpayer money the Scottish SNP new this . Forgot its the British tax payer paying for it
Scottish independence ❤
English independence please.
Kalistan!
It's always the foreigners that I see supporting it...
Scotland will never get independence, at least not in our lifetimes.
we have seen your ideology on the streets of Leicester a few weeks ago.
And so they think: this is going to convince us we need to stomach another generation's worth of ruinous Tory governments we didn't vote for??? Sorry cousins, our national identity won't go away that easy am afraid... 😘
So vote Labour
This actually surprised me. 🇬🇧🎉
We know that they would say no there literally all English can't wait for independence
Not in your life time 😆
They have won independence from the World Cup,that's a start !
British "court" - empire state of mind, puppets.
Brilliant news. Now maybe the SNP can properly utilise the £20m they set aside for a referendum . Sturgeon talks about democracy. Her government have , on a number of occasions, implemented legislation that was voted down in parliament . Democracy 😂
To add to this wonderful news, Spain said they would likely veto any attempt by Scotland to gain entry into the EU, if Scotland became independent 😂. I bet they regret sheltering Spanish criminals now .
The area supervisors had another wer slap..
O dear, what a shame!! The SNP will have to concentrate on governing Scotland now without the cost and time dedicated to the fantacy of a referendum!
You know why this comment is neither funny nor smart? During the Covid pandemic, Nicola Sturgeon did 10 times better than any british Prime Minister. German newspapers were full of "Downing Street fails while Scotland shines" headlines. So I guess they do not want out because of a distraction and mainly because they already have the proof: They do much, much better.
They had a referendum. How many times do people need to vote. Accept the vote. Same with Brexit, accept the vote.
That put Krankie’s gas at a peep. Love it!!!! Overwhelming verdict.
Nah. It’s given her the momentum she needs. This ruling has merely shown that the Scotland Act of 1998 was purposely made to undermine the democratic voice of the Scottish parliament within the union. The union is defunct. It is oppressive and non-democratic.
Yip we've already had the vote 2014...NO, so respect it & move on you can't keep flipping a coin until it lands the way you want it.... back in yir box nippy
@@Knappa22 You had a democratic vote in 2014 now stop wasting tax payers money on something that is already settled. You would soon scream if England voted you out and cut off the extra money paid per head. Then put up a border to collect both taxes and a transport levy for use of English Roads.
@@stevencharnock9271 why would there be a levy? There’s no levy when you or I drive in Ireland. I’m not Scottish btw
@@Knappa22 If you drive through Switzerland then you pay at the border to use the roads. UK not being a member of the EU could do the same. We certainly could tax any goods passing through and raise a tourist tax on any visitors as that is what anyone living outside of the union would be.
😂😂😂
Now that the judgement has been passed that Scotland can't pass a referendum for a vote for independence, she is on TV, yet again, trying her utmost to "prove" there is a greater need for independence than "ever before".
She needs to go.
HAHAHAHAH
Take that SNP racists ...
Treaty of the Union Was UNLAWFUL ,read your history , or does that not count because it suited London and England at the time ??????
Let it go...
Was it unlawful? From what I understand didn't the Scottish Parliament voted in favour of the treaty?
@@jeyoungryou3585 you understand Nothing .
Scotland done very well from the Union and made a deal. It was lawful.
@@chrisdude9641 no it didnt Dudeanother one who needs to read historical facts and bribing the likes of the Duke of Hamilton and others with equivalent of millions to buy their vote ,IS NOT LAWFULL ,try studying law aswell 😄
Hip Hip Hooray
Hip Hip Hooray
Hip Hip Hooray
Naaaaaaa, the weeeee Kranky has been told Naaaaaa 😂😅🤣😂😂😂
Is this even English?
Nay! Nay! and thrice Nay! lol
SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE 🏴
Like here^^
2014???had your chance and LOST.
Acrxsia YT
Voted and lost, Acrxsia.
If yes had won it, referendum, would you, you (thick person) be calling for another referendum.(doubt that very much)
I feel for the Scots I mean their leader is more focused on making a name for her self than actually solving hte problem in her country like the rampant drug problem for instance. Having said that our leaders are no better, too busy being gloablists than mending the country.
Fair point
The irony that they had a referendum, majority voted 55% to remain and they say it’s undemocratic. What about Brexit? 51.2% leave and people want a re-vote. What’s democratic is subject to one’s perspective, though the definition of democracy is the majority are the determinant group. I’m pro-Scottish independence and Pro-EU, I’m English and I don’t get the benefits that Scotland get, I didn’t vote for conservative. So, I didn’t get anything I voted for but that’s because we live in a democracy and a democracy is effectively the majority determines. To argue against the majority is effectively undemocratic so the argument defeats itself with hypocrisy 🤷♂️
Nobody’s saying the previous referendum was antidemocratic. Quit your strawmanning.
What they’re saying is that the circumstances in which Scotland voted back in 2014 and the current ones have changed, and therefore Scotland should be entitled to another referendum.
They’re right in this regard, and the rest of the UK would be hypocrites to think otherwise. The UK voted in a referendum to remain in the EU (EC) back in the 70s. If Scotland can’t get another referendum, then why was Brexit allowed in the first place?
Nicola sturgeon in her speech said on numerous occasions that the Scotland was an unwilling member of the United Kingdom, that is not the case "NICOLA STURGEON DOES NOT SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE OF SCOTLAND" "SCOTLAND IS THE UK THE UK US SCOTLAND" 🇬🇧💙
She speaks for me, and everyone I know
@@Jamalba123 allow me to refer you to the so called once in a generation independence referendum of 2014 were the Scottish people voted to remain in the union, can you please respect that democratic decision & move on for goodness sake!
@@Hoosier_Daddy69 no I can't, at that time I was unable to vote in that referendum due to not being of age, but now I am able to vote, so on a personal level I would like to have had the opportunity to help my country's future. Also the world is completely different now, just after indyref 1 we had brexit, which has masive impact on scottish business.
@Jamie Clark As an English taxpayer who helps to support your country, I and many of us down here would like to see you get independence.
Because we're sick of your narrow-minded unforgiving bigotry.
Please go and serve your new masters in Europe and see how well you manage under their rules.
@@Toastrackman Don't be fooled, the majority of Scotland is sick of hearing about it also!
Is that all she goes on about..is any of us really independent...it's better to be a part of something than having to beg
Give it up wee krankie ✌️🇬🇧
She wont kid..
She ain't getting any younger, no independence in this life time, probably never.
Haha, it's a joke.
Woohoo!!!! Hope this puts it too bed, but I fear the ill informed will continue to think oil and green energy can some how pay for an independent Scotland. And please now focus our efforts in improving the country we actually have.
FREE SCOTLAND
You need referenda to improve it!
Well it's certainly put any notion that it is a voluntary union to bed. It's clear that Scotland has no democratic route to leave, not even the right to ask itself the question. Democracy is dead in UK for Scots.
It works for Norway.
Scotland is already free,
Nicola you say you’re going to respect it, then respect it, the result, Nicola stop winching and whining. Like you have been.
And respect it, 55% voted no, you respect it Nicola and move on.
True. But you also have to take into account Scotland voted no according to the circumstances at the time. The circumstances have changed. Scotland is no longer in the EU and was dragged out of it despite voting in favour of remaining because they were still British.
Scots should have every right to vote again. Leaving the EU is a big enough change to justify another referendum.
@@guillemmoreno5522 can't leave in a dictatorship. Politics 101.
I'm very relieved about this, as is most of the rest of the country.
🇬🇧 🏴 🏴 🏴 💚
@iberian5319 Keep crying Braveheart
Well said 3 out of 4 ain't bad
@@iberian5319 Not in any of our lifetimes.
@Iberian5 As an English man i hope you get it, so I don't have to help support you with my taxes anymore 🇫🇴👋
Iberian5
And so might you, one day wished you thought differently (instead of being a thicko)
Because it yes had won. Then what. Scotland would be still be the same (nothing changed) a weaker economy, stabbing friends in the back, only a thicko person would want that.
So if yes won it, your be calling for another referendum. (Course not thicko)
Iberian5
One day your be glad Scotland is still in the UK.
It is time for the Scottish Government to focus on real issues rather than this obsession. The Scots do not want a referendum (look at the polls), and have already spoken out in 2014 in a "once in a generation" referendum with big majority.
The constitutional situation has drastically changed since then. In 2014 Scots were told that staying in the UK was the only way to stay *in* the EU; since then, England has dragged Scotland *out* of the EU, therefore it's perfectly legitimate for Scots to want to revisit that question once again.
Awkward how we keep voting SNP in every subsequent election though huh? Almost as if the stupidity that was Brexit completely changed the equation for us...
@@miguelsilva9118 so we vote for independence every time the situation in the UK changes?
@@miguelsilva9118 not legitimate, courts have decided.............suppose you're from Catalonia, you can't have one either................🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🇬🇧Rule BRITANNIA dude.
It's a strange world the Scots voted stay and got their wish. They Catalonians voted to be independent and are denied.
I’ve just watched Kim Jon sturgeon foaming from the mouth over this. That was very predictable 🇬🇧
The comedy hour is on tv tody, i wonder what old Blackie has to say ?
He'd say " ho I hate you Nicole I hate you now get that referendum bus out "😂😂
One word,
VICTORY
Victory for the UK I assume ?
Savour it while you can. This ain't over buddies.
@@kevinnolan1339 ur a bad sport
@@andybray9791 Do you not see how this validates what Sturgeon was saying. This was a lose-lose situation for Unionists
Shame on you Nicola
Iberian5
If yes, had won it, won the referendum.
Should there be another referendum. Should there.
Yes won it, you/Iberian5 calling for another referendum. (Doubt it)
Why don’t the Crankshaft and her couple of followers go independent on a small island in the outer Hebrides..
Great news we’re a united nation 🇬🇧
By force? how pathetic is that notion?
What force?
United dont make us laugh keep
Your views they are unwanted ENRICO you do seem the epitome of englishness lol
Why would you be proud to be with someone that doesn’t like you nor want to be with you?
@@MzeeMoja1 They had a referendum in 2014 and chose to stay with us..