Will Scotland leave the UK?
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The world has changed since #Brexit. Lawmakers in #Scotland are pushing for a brand-new referendum on independence. So, is this how #Britain ends?
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Its pronounced Edinbruh
@@trapnl1241 : LOL I came here to say the exact same thing. To be fair, he's Azerbaijani, and probably doesn't need to pronounce Scottish names very often.
@@deusexaethera very well
@@deusexaethera he is? I thought he was Turkish.
@@joshuachalvarro1182 : Hmm. I _thought_ he's Azerbaijani and CaspianReport is based out of Baku, but maybe I'm wrong. Either way he likely doesn't have to deal with Scottish names very often.
It would be kinda funny if England held a referrendum for independence because English independence movements do actually exist since the lack a government of their own due to them being the dominant part of the union
There's somewhat of a joke in England that if we were allowed to vote on Scottish independence we would guarantee it happened. Although it's origin is a bit mean spirited I'm in favour of it for exactly the reason you have stated. Any decentralization of power gives us plebs more of a chance of having a say and a bit more power over our out of touch politicians.
Cornwall is the first part of england that would go for independence, a lot of them don't see themselves as english.
@@Alastorm8 And who’s stopping you having that vote, and why?
Not us Scots, that’s for sure. Whether we leave UK, or UK leaves us - fine by me.
You should go for it... it would be interesting
Ah but who would you ask for permission? Do you see the problem now?
something that may have been significant to mention is that before the Acts of Union, it was decreed that the Scottish dynasty would rule England and Scotland, not the English one. This was seen as a victory over England and a way to placate the masses that it was Scotland ruling over England instead of the opposite.
Then Scotland should decolonize Egland and give her independence.
That pretty much ended in 1688 (19 years before the Union) with the coup d'etat that gets called the glorious revolution.
Scottish king inherited English throne 1603. Gunpowder plot to kill him in 1605 wasn't successful but the English parliamentarians killed his son in 1649.
Does seem like the 1603 Union of Crowns wasn't that great a success for the Stuarts.
Jacobite succession led to two rebellions within 40 years of Union of Parliaments in 1707.
Yes he failed to mention many things including the succession of the Scottish King to rule over England, Wales n Ireland.
I mean now its neither.....its basically just german, they only reside in England more since its the main governing body location of the u.k
@@wiktorjachyra1869 Queen Elizabeth II is at least equally as british as german if not more genetically speaking.
An important part missed in the timeline of this video was the Union of the Crowns in 1606 where the Scottish King James VI inherited the throne of England (and thus Ireland too) uniting the 3 kingdoms in a personal union. This brought an end to the Anglo-Scottish rivarvly and the Auld Alliance. It is pretty important context for the Acts of Union 1707 since both countries had already been closely aligned for a 100 years at that point
It alarms me quite how rarely this is pointed out - the Scottish King overtook the English Throne but this isn't sold this way by the separatists.
This brought an end to the Anglo Scottish rivalry ???? Hardly
@@IILiamIIUKII I guess in a way it did, but of course the scots and the english still did not get along
@@IILiamIIUKII Rivavly in the sense of actively going to war with each other. Geopolitics not feelings
@@davocc2405 The fact that the Scottish King technically took over the union doesn't change the fact that the UK is run from Westminster while the other kingdoms have very little sayn. Scotland has also historically been a liberal country versus England which is conservative. Scotland hasn't voted conservative for 50 years.
I’m Scottish and proud to be British, the SNP doesn’t speak for me and nor does Nicola Sturgeon. The SNP vision of scotland is one of isolation and inward looking, small minded and anglophobic. That is not a scotland I want my daughter grown-up in
Independence or death
Hang your kilt
Move then… simples
Edinbruh
Also it would be helpful to include that the Act of Union was when a Scottish King was on the English throne, i.e. both countries were ruled by the same monarch
everyone from outside scotland pronounces it wrong
The Act of Union took place when Anne, Queen of England and separately Queen of Scotland was sitting on both thrones when the Act(s) of Union dissolved those Kingdoms and created the Kingdom of Great Britain.
Still wondering why English doesn't bother fixing the spelling if it wasn't pronounced that way.
@@RizalBoon wouldn't it be nice if all the Anglo countries decided to have a group simplify spelling to make it phonetic. It definitely would be easier for foreign speakers to learn. No silent letters, no exceptions, and add a few letters to make sure every sound is represented correctly. Bring back the Þ (thorn).
@@RizalBoon Because it's a SCOTTISH town.
I can't believe this video completely ignored the Stuart dynasty. A crucial moment for the British isles and one of the reasons the Union was formed. Since both nations had the same monarch it made sense for the Scots to join a union with England.
The irony is that Scotland spent decades fighting brutal wars to avoid unification, but as soon as a Scottish King got onto the English throne suddenly its the Scots themselves forming the same damn Union they fought to prevent...
@@jamielonsdale3018 Well diffrent times, diffrent circumstances
@@jamielonsdale3018 Ordinary Scots weren't happy with it, hell plenty of Englishmen were unhappy about it too. It was the Scottish nobility that united the two, the sentiment between the peoples didn't flip one bit.
@@jamielonsdale3018 Very different circumstances. Even after the establishment of the Union Scotland retained its unique national symbols, traditions, and legal system. All things that would not have happened had we been conquered
@@abcxyz2927 haha xD
It's hard for me to say if Scotland is better off in or out of the UK. All I can say is that I'll miss having Scottish SAS soldiers in games.
The Scots will still be there , the English will soon get over it and we will be a happy family but with two parliaments!! You'll be able to skip over the border anytime you like!!
Idk the economy will hurt
@@solastro5595 It might hurt more in the long-term if they remain.
@@tatradak There will be a hard border with England if Scotland joins the EU.
Unlikely, we already have a working solution, the Common Travel Area. As for goods something like the NI protocol could be extended, or England could use their sovereignty to join the European Customs Union and save their economy.
The map showing the EU should have included the EEA as well, to show the complete size of the European economy.
Excellent point. The single market is more than the EU and it's absolutely absurd that the UK won't even consider the so-called "Norway" model.
Why? 95% of Scotland's trade is with the rest of the UK. The EU is not relevant.
@@crowbar9566 Nope. Scotland exports about 60% to the rest of the UK, 22% to the EU single market, and 18% abroad.
@@falsevacuum4667 a lot of Brexit voters wanted the Norway model, but the autocratic EU wouldn't even consider it
@@woodlandcreature8857 that would be seen as weakness by the EU, no sane EU citizen would want that, you made your bed, time to sleep on it...
It seems to be contextual. Enough has happened with the Tories since 2014 that many Scots I know are now on board with leaving when they weren't before
Would they actually get one though? As it was a ‘once in a generation’ vote. Also Scotland would be out side of the Union and the European Union as well, given Spain’s precarious position.
Hahahahahahahaah
The polling in 2014 had an even split, the result of the referendum was 45-55.
The polling today is No ahead by about 2-4 points.
The Scots you know are pretty irrlevant, when the statistics are laid bare for all to see.
I think there’s a bit of both ways. The voting age has been reduced too, which has somehow slipped under everyone’s radar. Someone can be too immature to be trusted with alcohol but also mature enough for National decision making, I think that’s a scandal that’s somehow passed us by
That may be true to an extent, a lot of tory hate up north (beyond what is rational sometimes, I would say) but the argument for Scexit economically has gone from really bad to essentially suicidal. We have 2/3rds of out trade with the rest of the UK, and you want to erect land borders across that? In exchange for, maybe, one day, getting into the EU, which Scotland would be an even smaller voice in that it is as part of the UK. You know the EU has government spending and deficit conditions for membership right? You know Scotland already fails almost all of them as it stands, that's before it goes through the turmoil of having to set up its own currency.
It would be an absolute bloodbath for the Scottish economy and terrible for the UK as a whole, there is a reason the Russian government supports the SNP.
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There's something so poetically ironic how Brexit will likely be the catalyst for the collapse of the British Union 🥲
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Always followed your channel but too many omissions and blindspots in this video for my liking, e.g. zero mention of a huge percentage (40%+) of SNP voters actually backing Brexit, the issues of "true independence" vs. "return to the EU" which splits the SNP voter base almost in two, Central Belt vs. remainder of Scotland issues (e.g. Shetland, Orkney independence), Scottish budget deficit (12%+), etc., etc.
Best wishes & Thanks!
YES
@@dw620 It's a complicated issue, a lot to cover in 15 minutes, for a none UK audience it's a good summary ... although I felt one other oversight was to not mention that Scotland hasn't voted for a conservative government since 1979. And he did say there was anti English sentiment, I concede there is a small element, but he should have been clearer and said anti English governance.
Edinburgh is pronounced 'Edinburra.' As a North American my Scottish Grandparents hammered that into my head haha.
we pronounce it edinbruh.
@@KNG-pc5qd Yes, this is much more accurate than "Edinburra", or even "Edinboro" which I hear often from North Americans. But I think we can all agree that "Edinburg" is utterly abhorrent
@@lloyd9500 yes ladd
@@lloyd9500 You guys will love this: I'm from Nova Scotia, and the High School I went too was opened the same year Randy Andy graced the earth, hence it was named "Prince Andrew High School". We have an award given to students for superb academic achievement called "The Duke of Edinburgh award". The recipient upon being awarded this in the year I graduated pronounced Edinburgh "Edenburg". I was sitting next to my Glaswegian grand-dad as they miss-pronounced it and he shifted uncomfortably. Honestly it made my day. Also the school has been renamed in light of the Epstein debacle (debacle is being kind).
@@Mothman156 Edenburg... christ almighty. Surprised your granddad didn't heckle the feller
I normally love your content, but I'm astonished, to say the least, that you didn't mention the Scottish personal union over England in 1603 - not even once. Sure, economy may have been a factor, but there was a major precursor to the acts of union a century before. Frankly, I'm quite disappointed as your content is usually of high quality. But this felt more of a shallow, bait type of video. Hope you continue to improve and hold yourself to a higher standard. Cheers for the interesting videos though!
Maybe it's the fact that it didn't go all that well for the family.
After all, the English killed his mother.
The English killed his son.
English Aristocrats (the "immortal 7") invited William of Orange to invade England and depose his grandson.
And then after all that, in 1701, the English Parliament removed the Scottish Stuarts from the line of succession, and changed it to be from the descendants of Sophia of Hanover. So when Queen Anne died, Scotland and England would have had different monarchs again.
Except that they then bribed the Scottish Parliament to sign the Act of Union before Queen Anne died.
Act of union is context that should've been included, but it's irrelevant to the modern debate. The economy is however a different story.
Quick note though, England doesn't ridicule Scotland. Westminster ridicules Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland AND England.
Englands PM bojo the clowns anti scottish poem Englands PM had published,
which was endorsed by the right wing English Nationalists in 2019 UK election there.
I like to believe that like me, most of my fellow countrymen know that. 😊
@@ScottishRoss27 Nope. England, is the only constituent country without an assembly to have a voice. Nothing can be laid at the feet of the English until or unless they get their own parliament. At the moment, we have the FPTP *British* parliament only, and that doesn't speak for the English any more than it speaks for the Scottish. If it wasn't FPTP, or if there was a separate English First Minister based solely on English votes, you could have a point, but we don't.
Well said mate, it’s important to understand that clown governments don’t always represent the people, the vast majority of English are indifferent since independence really doesn’t effect them
Westminster is filled with people elected by England.
Thank you for the video. your organization of talking points are well thought out and feels like you provide a balanced viewpoint!
As a Scot, I'd rather just have my bins emptied, thanks
Totally. My bins also runneth over here north of the Antonine wall.
Stop voting Labour then 😂
Last time I was in Edinburgh the bins seem to be full everywhere
1st world problems.
@@dirkscott5410
SNP run the country, reduce council spending, services become shit...
But it's Labours fault.
You on the gear pal?
Its fascinating that a country that fought so fiercely to preserve its independence would end up willingly joining the country it fought independence from, many decades after its monarch became monarch of that country (England).
Its also fascinating that the UK is a country consisting of countries but is also a unitary state.
Scotland wasn't militarily conquered but it was ultimately defeated financially, when its attempt to establish an overseas colony of its own (the Darien scheme) ended in disaster.
Yeah. It's complicated.
@@GCarty80 there was also an economic blockade put in place by England in response to Scotland threatening to withdraw troops from the coalition army in the war of Spanish Succession. That was in turn a reaction to the English Parliament unilaterally deciding the next monarch without consulting Scotland. The Alien Act of 1705 is the event that ultimately caused the Union.
Well, the Scottish king James VI also became the English King James I. Would this not also impact sentiment?
Edit: Guess that happened many years earlier. I thought England and Scotland had joined at that point, but it seems it was just a personal union.
@@thomasdracup8403 I also understand that the English undermined the Scottish expedition to Panama in every way imaginable to help the expedition fail and hurt Scotland ultimately leading to union.
Love the background history of the disastrous Darian expedition. This is little known and seldom taught but hugely important.
I cannot find it in my heart to think that Darian was anything other than a ploy by the bankers and the english lords to force a long desired union. The english were by that time very well experienced in colonisation and knew well what were the requirements for a successful colony, they had both successful and disastrous examples to reflect upon and for those english bankers who funded this disastrous enterprise made sure that if this ridiculous adventure in disease ridden lands were to fail then scotland would be bankrupted by the fact that all of scotlands' finances were tied up in this folly, whether or not the scottish lords were actively involved will remain unproven but I have the opinion that all wars, bar none, have been class wars.
This subject was taught when I was at school. The gentry of the time invested heavily in this, but England impeded the venture in every way possible. It was the bankruptcy of these gents, the subsequent sanctions against Scotland, then the bribes that swayed all but one (that one is a true hero of Scotland) of this group to vote for the Union.
@@lochring England encouraged Spanish fears with propaganda, and so the Spanish made life difficult for the Scottish colony, since Spain already had several colonies in the area.
The Darian Gap remains a no-mans land, the PanAmerican Highway stretches Across North American all the way through Central and South American with one little section missing -- the Darian Gap.
@@j.obrien4990 Because Panama wants to protect its forests.
And what you see is what remains.
Spain already had Panama City and Colon, built there. Its how they got the Vice-royalty of Peru's gold and silver, from Callao to Panama and then to Asia or overland to Colon and the Atlantic.
I think two important elements of the 2014 Independence Referendum were missed in the video: [1] The pro-independence vote was polling significantly lower before the 2014 campaign began than it is currently polling. As a result it is thoroughly possible that a renewed campaign will this time pull it over the finish line. [2] In the 2014 "Better Together" campaign against independence the possible loss of EU membership for an independent Scotland played an important role, to the point that campaigners were suggesting that if Scotland wanted to remain in the EU then they had to remain within the UK. It took England just 2 years to rip up that "promise" and leave the EU nonetheless.
The strongest and most convincing "Better Together" campaigners in 2014 were Labour and LibDem politicians. For them to join a "Tory-led" campaign against independence in 2023 would be much more politically complicated. Scottish Labour and LibDem however have lost very significant influence. With Liz Truss seemingly certain to become the next British PM, the Scottish Yes campaign in 2023 will have an ideal British PM an opponent. She's not only certain to alienate Scottish voters across the political spectrum, but she is also certain to be confrontational towards Ireland and the EU, and she leads a party of which polling shows consistently that it does consider "losing Scotland" a fair price to pay for a more radical version of Brexit".
I think the 2023 referendum is going to be significantly harder to win for a campaign against independence than the 2014 one.
The 2014 referendum didn't have the disastrous brexit looming over. I suspect the results would be fairly different if not solely because of that.
@@alvaromneto
They also didn't have a 12% deficit and the oil industry wasn't declining like it currently is.
@@alvaromneto disastrous brexit hahaha talk me through that one
Literally nobody voted in 2014 with the EU in mind. Like absolutely nobody.
@@wavell14 have you asked absolutely everybody that or are you basing that on your own opinion???
I don't think Canadian Interest on Scotland stems from Alberta but from Québec situation.
Quebec in the past, Alberta more in the present. J.T. has thrown Alberta (and the west in general) under the bus just like his father did in 1981. Ironically, the Federal government has been bribing Quebec to stay in the union with transfer payments from Alberta and Albertan oil. Quebec doesn't want a pipeline going through their province but they sure will take the money from oil at a sum of $6,000 in taxes from each man, woman and child in Alberta. Quebec has been a "have not" province since 1965. You are right, as Alberta is no where close to Quebec numbers on any type of separation. J.J. McCullough made a good video on the subject. I believe it's less than 5% of Albertans would vote to separate.
@@25Soupy Quite the reaction there James for a simple fact statement from David. It's almost funny how often we hear these misleading facts that tend to picture Alberta and most of western Canada as victims of the current federal system. Unfortunately a lot of people can't see beyond them and paint a broader more accurate picture of canadian economics. Alberta benefited a lot from the federal system in the past and if current economic trends continue, it will benefit a lot from it again in the near future. If you want to look at provinces that really gave a lot to the country throughout most of its history, maybe you should look at the atlantic provinces instead. You can't build a country, especially such a large one, without solidarity.
@@25Soupy i don't really see how alberta is going anywhere without BC, and we hate 'berta
@@25Soupy Look at your name. It's Scottish. That's why Canadians are interested in Scotland. So many of them have Scottish roots. Heck, even the first PM of Canada was born in Scotland. Trudeau has treated western Canada as it should be treated. Albertans are just spoiled kids. They want to be heard, despite being a small portion of the country's population, so they make up this stuff like they're being discriminated. More like they're a bunch of babies who grew up with a higher standard of living than they deserved due to oil money. One day oil won't be so valuable and Albertans will have to hang their heads in shame and grow up a little.
Well, if Alberta gets its independance.. Then surely Quebec will ask for it, the next week.
So pleased to see you cover this. Always respected your geo-political reporting, never expected Scottish independence to show up on your radar. Always good to get an outside view, you'll not find anywhere on the BBC that clearly explains the historical trajectory of Scotland's sovereignty. I grew up in Berwick on Tweed, the town changed hands between England and Scotland thirteen times, it's now English (yet it's football team plays in Scotland), I am very aware of the struggle between the two nations. THANKS !
Note - not Edinburg, but Edinbur or Edinbur~u.
Edin-bro 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro what
@Dave? Better to stay silent and be thought an idiot than to speak out and confirm it.
As berwickshire raised myself whats your thoughts on campaigning for berwick to join, Scotland under devloution, free prescriptions, free university, lower council tax, seat at Holyrood,
@Dave? its literally the capitol of Scotland, what are you talking about?
The one thing absolutely guaranteed if there is another independence vote, is a dis-united Scotland as the divide appears to be currently in the region of 50/50.
Very good point
they might as well vote to join EU in the same referendum
That divide already exists though 🤷♂️ arguably the continuation of the UK is more divisive as everyone in Scotland thinks of themselves as Scottish but only half think of themselves as British.
@@williamharwood6139 Exactly the same divide exists in other parts of the UK. People in Wales think of themselves as Welsh first and British second. People in England think of themselves as English first and British second. It's even more pronounced in places like Cornwall where they think of themselves as Cornish first, English second and British third. So, there's nothing unusual about the parochial opinions in Scotland. The only difference in other parts of the UK is that they don't have senior politicians trying to stir up dissent and discord.
The split is present, vote or not.
"Canada's Alberta region has some separatist tendencies".
*Quebec has left the chat*
I remember the discussions back then. Main argument was, that Scotland might need to leave the EU, if they leave GB. This was a huge dealbreaker for most scots, which are heavily pro EU. So they voted No. Then Brexit happened.
A new referendum would only be fair due to the main argument being voided.
I remember as a teen then watching it thinking it was crazy to leave the union, why leave the EU/NATO in effect. Then Brexit totally destroyed most of that lol. I can’t believe we may see the UK actually breakup in what was entirely avoidable.
The main arguments were actually around currency, the Scottish deficit, citizenship, and how the border would operate. None of these questions have been answered, because the Separatists have no answer for them
On the one hand, Brexit shifted the discourse heavily towards independence by removing major reasons to stay. On the other hand, Brexit was reminder that details and technicalities of such huge undertakings actually have to be solved and don't just go away when you act like they aren't there.
Scottish independence would be a very complicated gigantic undertaking.
The "remain in the UK" literature, at that time, stated that exact thing.
I'm so sorry that I didn't keep it - as Brexiteers deny that was ever an argument for Scotland to remain in the UK.
That’s not true. The SNP have traditionally been isolationist. The EU told us in 2014 we wouldn’t become automatic members and became hate figures for a week. The EU has cynically been used as a means to get another referendum
It's probably worth mentioning that one of the main arguments made by the official unionist campaign during the 2014 independence referendum was that independence jeopardised Scotland's EU membership, whereas the Union guaranteed it. The UK Prime Minister, David Cameron, announced the Brexit referendum as a Tory policy within weeks of the vote, and the rest is history.
You are pointing out what in my opinion is the key: remainers at Scottish independence referendum were scaremongering about leaving the EU... Now what??
@@sergioserobcam Actually, Scotland wanted to leave the UK union with the intention of rejoining the EU, basically, they wanted away from the UK, not the EU and yes, like Darren said, the UK being part of the EU was a big part of the 2014 vote that kept Scotland in the UK, clearly a lot has changed since then.
David Cameron was against Brexit. He allowed the Scottish independence referendum because he expected it to fail. He allowed the Brexit referendum because he expected that to fail too.
@@paul1979uk2000 The UK government at the time pressured the EU members to make it clear there would be significant hurdles to Scotland joining the EU, because back then the UK still had a major say in the EU policy. Now the situation is completely different. I'm sure if anyone asked any member state whether they would accept Scotland being fast-tracked into the EU, not a single one would say 'no'. If I was Sturgeon, I'd be flying all over the EU gathering support for fast-tracking Scotland into the EU. If they can fast-track Ukraine's associate status, they can certainly fast-track a former member's re-accession.
@@B3RyL It's good to know that you are 'sure' no other member state would be worried about Scottish independence. But the reality is that Madrid is paranoid about Catalonia and Basques declaring independence from Spain. France would have similar worries about Corsica.
I'm northern English, if Scotland does get independence can you start the border south of Manchester. I'd love to get us away from the corrupt Westminster
Nah you can just go live in Scotland with the other unemployed we dont have to pay for anymore
@@raulduke6953 touched a nerve, must be an MP
@@davidbridge5652
No a taxpayer .
@@raulduke6953 aren't we all
@@davidbridge5652
Not in Scotland, 5 m population 1 m pensioners . I really hope they leave it will be hilarious
Being Scottish means a lot to me
Scott has zero terrorist attack leaving would allow Scotland to create a unified cultured society
Based
It would be weird to see the worlds biggest empire ever just to be reduced to half an island a century later.
Funny enough, TECHNICALLY the British Empire is still an Empire upon which the sun never sets.
France never gave up imperialism either. Their longest land border isnt even in Europe...
Weird things you likely wouldnt know without specifically researching it.
@@jamielonsdale3018 Wow a collection of useless rocks. What an empire
Its God's justice being met.
They still own islands in the Caribbean and have the commonwealth.
There's a map that shows the variation of population of Britain between 1821 and 2019, if it's true, it shows that back then England had about 5 times more population than Scotland while nowadays this proportion is shown to be increased to 10 times more population. I understand that could be argued that the core of such empire would be England, isn't it? If true, could it be argued that the current status of the "Empire" wouldn't be much affected by the independence of Scotland, couldn't it? On the other side, isn't the Commonwealth the evolution of such Empire? In other words, the British Empire simply mutated into a Commonwealth of nations/states, then Scotland would simply remain as a part of it but with the form of a new, independent and sovereign state, wouldn't it? So the empire wouldn't be reduced but "increased" with a new country... 🤔
If I was the Russian/Chinese government I would be pouring so much money towards supporting the Scottish independence campaign. It would be an opportunity to significantly weaken the UK on the cheap.
Take the time to look at the books, turns out, your behind the pace here.
China could care less about the UK.
Was precisely the first thought I had. "I bet the CCP is pouring funds into this"
Pretty much exactly what is happening, it's a major strategic weakness of the UK and if the UK leadership and institutions continue to be moronic (100% chances of that) then any moment of weakness could essentially be used to break the UK into its component parts and end the 1000 year old English project of consolidation and expansion.
You're overlooking the fact that both Russia and China have significant national minorities in whose best interests it would be to secede and be independent from the big countries - for that reason alone neither Russia nor China can ever support any sort of separatism, so they don't give a precedent to their own separatist movements. Exactly why Spain will probably not recognize an independent Scotland - they're shitting their pants about Catalonia.
Of course Scotland will break away - that's how these things work. Nothing lasts forever, particularly not unions where one or more partners are getting a raw deal. The only question in my mind is: When?
Will Scotland suffer (short term) from leaving Britain? Yes, of course! But Iike I said, nothing lasts forever.
Now here's a mischievous (half serious) thought: Maybe Scotland and Ireland should form a new Union. That would really irritate the English nationalists, and it might get Scotland straight back into the EU. After its Brexit mistakes, England would deserve such a humiliation.
@Nathaniel Garro Yeah I've heard all of these imperialist arguments before. They rhyme with "North Sea oil will run out", but it doesn't and it doesn't; "the Irish could never govern themselves", but they do; "India and Australia need British rule", but no, now we see that they don't. We shall see who gets what with N Sea oil after the split. At the moment it's making the English rich. As, I said, it will hurt at first, but don't overestimate the importance of England and Wales. You mentioned important trade with Ireland, but that can only get easier for a country that joins the EU.
Many West Germans didn't want to reunite with East Germans, but it happened, and virtually everybody now realises that it was natural and necessary. It is much more natural for Ireland to be united than for the north to remain a part of the UK. And even if for some technical reason it is impractical, it will happen anyway. Resisting the inevitable is stupid. If by any chance you are a Scot or an N Irishman, you need to look in the mirror and open your eyes to your country's future. The future is much more than some pessimistic economic forecast.
Northern Ireland also wanted to stay in the EU. If Scotland 🏴 leaves Northern Ireland will also leave
Fun fact: Chinese have hoped Scotland to win independence, due to UK backing of Hong Kong protests in 2019-21. Yet Chinese are not sure if Scotland winning independence can bring any benefit for Beijing, for its alignment with an increasingly hostile Europe can be.
Plus, don't forget I don't add "government". Because Beijing had no position on it officially.
I dont see why Scotland wouldn't also support a fellow region seeking autonomy like Hongkong
They just hate the government in London and want to see it fail.
help encourage scotland to become a US state, then.
@@jonathans8 how about I encourage the U.S. to be a competent global power
@@jonathans8 As a Scot, I'd rather kiss the boots of every Englishman
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I'm not surprised seeing Mrs Cathie Wood being mentioned here. Mrs Cathie Wood is good and everyone love her qualifications and genuine services. I guess that's what she was born to do.
Good to see how you guys came up here to show kind appreciation to Mrs Cathie Wood.
Can England section off Westminster like Rome and the Vatican? I think that would solve a lot of problems for the UK.
Love to get rid of whinging Nothern tossers !
Be easier to wall of Scotland frankly and cheaper for the uk
@@raulduke6953 If you want rid of scots so bad, why not just give them a referendum? What are the English scared of?
I assume you haven't heard of the City of London.
City of London Corporation!!
it's been around 1000+ yrs.Has its own laws, mayors, everything.
I was going through my 'Watch Later' list, and all the way down at the bottom, the first video I ever added to that list, was one of your older videos. I wanted to watch a video of yours yeeeeaaaaaars ago, before I was ever even interested in politics.
Independence referendum in 2014 was ambitious to say the least. In 2013 the YES movement was only polling 31% - 32%. By September the 14th it rose to 45% and this was the eventual result in the referendum. Today in 2022 the polls are virtually 50% YES and NO, with no real independence campaigning started. Covid and the current energy crisis has reduced the focus. However demographics have relentlessly moved towards a YES vote. In 2023 if the referendum goes ahead there will be 9 years of new young voters who are polling 70% YES and don't but into the old image of the UK Union. Similarly, there will 9 years of older voters who have died(accelerated by Covid) who have polled at 65% NO. Also we have all those EU Remainers who voted NO in 2014 because "Better Together" lied about staying in the EU. Of course the final reason is the Current Conservative government and what will be 13 years of austerity which has seen the UK destroyed for ordinary people. Scotland wants and deserves better.
Graeme, the Sustainable Growth Commission the SNP released produced a very rosey - and ultimately incorrect - view of Scottish finances if Independent in 2018, and they called for over a decade of austerity worse than the UK had ever undergone.
So how does Independence get you better?
@@guntguardian3771 You call this shit show better? Your standards must really be low. I have read that report and there is no phrase, paragraph relating to a decade of austerity. Go peddle your lies elsewhere. 62 countries have had there independence from UK, most with less natural and intellectual resources that Scotland has. I think we will mange just fine.
Scotland won't get better though lol
They won't be in the EU for a long time, they'll have a hard border with England AND a hard border in the Irish Sea, Westminster will completely screw them over in all negotiations and retains control of the pound which Scotland will have to use after independence to start off with
Things will be very very bad for Scotland if it leaves, you'd have to be delusional to think otherwise
@@connorlee9007 Really? so negative Connor, Why so sad? We will manage just fine. Just like the other 62 countries would have got independence from the UK.
@@graemeglass7566 standard nat spangle response. Amazingly stupid.
Proud Scot here, Edinburgh is pronounced: “Edin-buruh” or “Edin-bruh” not “Edinburg”.
Great video as always 🤙🏽🏴
Auld Alliance
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Rejoin the EU 🇪🇺 if your economy is not crumbling down
Get your Independance and join the Republic. Make your own Constitutions.
@@christophermichaelclarence6003 háblale en francés
Imagine leaving a union just to join an even worse “union”
Edin-*bruh*
Edin-*bruh*
what really matters in the end is that a military alliance remains in all of europe, you can splinter economically but your armies need to all be on the same page.
Unfortunately NATO isnt immortal. As a Pole, Id love it to bee that way, but the times change, circumstances change.
However one thing does not change - Russia and its aggressive stance against the rest of Europe.
As a scot that wants independence, we absolutely want to co-operate with both England and NATO no matter what happens. The went for independence isn’t because of hate and we still know the real enemy is east
@@Weisior Polish sausages are not a priority
@@SunofYork Ofcourse they are not a priority, hey are a must at the summertime barbeque!
Why? Who's Europe going to fight together? Russia? Russia just has to lob a few nukes and that will be over.
The short answer is no, the long answer is definitely no.
Sooner the better 🏴
I am from India and we are with you, scotland will get freedom from United Kingdom and northern ireland also.
I hope for you from France.
Before the Scots make a decision, they should ask the pro-independence faction whether or not they have a sensible, realistic plan for making an independent Scotland prosper. Take lessons from the Brexit fiasco to your heart. Do not be independent first and try to figure out what going to do later.
i agree
The EU would welcome us back with open arms. We'll get our EU protected human rights back.
The UK has removed most of our human rights including the right to protest.
Most of their policies are trying themselves down to the European union, being dependent on oil sales(those areas had the highest amount of people voting to stay in the union) and using the pound
The Brexit fiasco is exactly why Scotland should get away from the UK as soon as possible.
Mince
They should ask the Tories who we never vote for what exactly their plan is was of had ever been !
Now away back under your Union Jack duvet
Scotland leaves the UK and and England takes its place as airstrip one as the five eyes unify into Oceania.
Chilling how accurate that could be...
The History of the Scottish People is under Complete Attack by the UK, yeah Scotland should leave, accept all the English and Irish in Scotland Voted No Last Time.
Airstrip one was Socialist. Or had Socialist roots. Certainly wasn't nationalist given it took the nation's name and history away.
Even though the SNP align perfectly into the Oceana that is the EU
Meanwhile...here in earth 1
The question is how will the European Union fare in a twenty years time?
The smaller and more local the government the better for the common man. William Wallace would never accept an England crown.
I think the biggest misconception this video has is confusing Scotland with the SNP. Liz Truss said it was best to ignore Nicola Sturgeon, not Scotland. Being Scottish liging in Scotland, the vast majority of people i speak to dislike the SNP and think they are completely incompentent. Wasting public funds, a decline in education standards, a worsening of the NHS and throttling funding to Local Councils to a point where they are functioning on a knife edge.
As a proud Scot I think its disgusting the way SNP has governed Scotland in the last 15 years. They have ran this country into the ground and we are currently in no position to become independant.
Just because the SNP are detestable, please do not equate them with the people of Scotland.
The vast majority of people you speak to exist in your own little bubble and are not representative of the Scottish population as a whole.
@@SSJfraz that goes for all of us
@Deklore Nice to see and hear the opinions of a logical Scott 🏴.
I think the SNP has governed well, I've seen an NHS protected from privatisation, free university to make us the leading European country on tertiary education. I've seen our child poverty levels decline to the lowest in the islands. Would rather those idiots in the south run our entire affairs?
@@SSJfraz No it's literally a fact that most people don't like the SNP...Which is why they're running a coalition with the green party as they are not big enough to be a majority party on their own.
Liz Truss did not say Scotland should be ignored, she only said that Sturgeon should be ignored.
A clumsy thing to say all the same. How she has reached the political heights she has (& is about to reach even further still) is beyond me. She's an amateur who will sadly make the case for the dissolution of the Union all the stronger.
@@mckenziewilliamhowells233 She had an affair with her mentor when she was new to the party which helped elevate her standing
Essentially the same thing, as the people of Scotland elected Nicola Sturgeons party to its position.
And who is Sturgeon? She is (unlike Truss) the democratically elected and very popular leader of her country. Are you saying someone advocating “ignoring” the US president is *not* advocating ignoring the US, or China, France etc?
@@mckenziewilliamhowells233 That the Tories managed to find some one that will potentially make Bojo look like a statesman took some doing. It’s beyond bizarre.
Reminds me of something...
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”
Is the dead of Queen Elizabeth going to affect national sentiments in Scotland?
Conceivably. A house that stands on one leg won’t stand at all.
Couple of mistakes I noticed in your video, in 1707 the union of the Kingdom Of England and the Kingdom Of Scotland formed the Kingdom Of Great Britain, not the United Kingdom. The first United Kingdom was not formed until 1801 when the Kingdom Of Ireland joined a union with the Kingdom of Great Britain. The flag used to represent Northern Ireland on your graph was the wrong one, the Northern Irish flag is the Ulster Banner, not St Patrick's Saltire. Otherwise great video! :-)
America numba 1 BB
Before the union with the Kingdom Of Great Britain, the Kingdom Of Ireland was a client state of the Kingdom Of Great Britain and was ruled by the monarchy in the Kingdom Of Great Britain.
The Kingdom Of Great Britain's fear of the Kingdom Of Ireland siding against them with Revolutionary France which is why both Kingdom's united in 1801.
Then in 1921 Southern Ireland, today known as the Republic Of Ireland, left the union. The United Kingdom that we know today is the union of the Kingdom Of Great Britain and the Kingdom Of Northern Ireland.
@@AxelVengerberg Northern Ireland doesn't actually have an official flag, so either can actually be used interchangeably
@@jackfreedman Except North Ireland is not a Kingdom.
They also left out the reason England agreed to give up its sovereignty to join Scotland. The threat of Scotland and France invading England together, and Scotland choosing a replacement monarchy. Queen Anne of GB would have most of her power.
I visited the Scottish Parliament last month, just some standard session. What struck me was that the government always had the position "No, let's set this standard the same as in the EU Law XYZ", and when Unionists argued against it, the leader of the Scottish National party kindly reminded them to go talk to London for "the mess you created".
It won't happen cos there wont be an independence vote.
The "mess" which is an energy crisis isn't London's fault, given its Pan-European.
60% of Scottish trade is with the UK though. Assuming the EU allowed them to join, a new trade border would be placed between Scotland and the UK which would disrupt the majority of Scotland's trade. It would be 1000x worse than the current issue with Northern Ireland
@@mark63424able Because the UK doesnt produce enough on its own & needs 60% of our surplus?
@@mark63424able oh yes, England is going to stay out of the Single Market and get a trade deal with America 😅
@@ScottishRoss27 Inter-UK trade counts as the Uk you fool. And its 60% of trade with other nations being to other UK nations not 60% of all trade.
There is many societal differences between Scotland and England in the modern day. Scotland is a progressive nation wishing to carve it's own path, it should be allowed to. FREEDOM.
free scotland!🏴♥️
Still waiting for one indy supporter to actually show proof Scotland would be better off independent? Not speculation not comparing yourself to another country. Actually proof where is the financial data to prove it?
At the end you mention NI joining with Eire to "for Ireland to reclaim independence".
Ireland was NEVER a unified, independent country, it was only unified after the Tudors got involved.
It's almost like most people actually do not understand the history of these islands and like to assume the England is just an oppressive force...
@@rantymcrant-pants9536 It's almost like England has invaded, occupied and oppressed ever part of these islands at one point...
@@rantymcrant-pants9536 To be fair England was an oppressive force, as for history India wasn't a unified country until the EEC took it over so that argument is bunk.
Not to mention there was that "minor" event - The Troubles - that only lasted 60 years or so... Where one faction wants to remain in the UK and will fight/terrorise even the British state/government to remain a part of Britain.
@@rantymcrant-pants9536 England is just an oppressive force.
Great vid as always!
This may be how the UK ends, but certainly not how "Britain ends", as Britain is the name of an island. It is not a political entity, but a geological one. The United Kingdom may indeed break up after Scottish independence, and it is just as likely or unliikely that Northern Ireland will leave the UK. Even in Wales there is a longstanding independence movement.
The Welsh are about 20 years behind Scotland in seeking independence, and within England itself the English aren't happy with the current governing setup as London does care about York, Liverpool, Manchester, etc. Although the short-term effects may be bad for Scotland, many small nations like Ireland that trade heavily with GB are very successful economically. The trend in Scotland is towards independence especially since younger Scots are much more simpathetic to independence. Having recently watched your video on how Brexit would lead to the UK being a huge success and the EU falling apart, well I'm still waiting.
Well if they break up the UK then it won't be such a good market for Ireland to export to as it'll lose a lot more economic potential than anything Brexit could have accomplished, which is debatable how much the UK actually lost from that (some slight reduction in near term GDP growth, but a breakup would be a nominal, large reduction in GDP)
Us Welsh are sick of our Assembly and dont forget we voted Brexit.
@@nre1553 You don't speak for all of us.
@@s.r.howell1297 No just the majority!
@@nre1553 Oxford University says that Wales was swung from a remain vote by the votes of English retirees living in Wales.
An interesting thing is a possible cascade effect. If Scotland did it, what of Ireland? What of Québec? All of the separationists regions would have a recent precedent to point to.
The more separated regions, the better. Big govs are a disaster as much as Church-State was in the past.
I think NI will join the Republic. I'm not sure Dublin really wants it at the moment. Gonna be very expensive.
@@soulsphere9242 Could Northern Ireland potentially join Scotland in a modern-day resurrection of Dál Riata, especially when most of the Protestant population of Northern Ireland is of Scottish rather than English origin?
probably Texas too
@@josephturner4047 I think the reason it won't is because Northern Ireland's demographics were changed drastically. When it was Irish it was a notoriously underpopulated area that the English and Scottish settled into and created the plantation system which is why it's considered a protestant area today. NI isn't really that "Irish" and hasn't been for a few hundred years now.
I dont think Lizz said to ignore Scotland just to ignore Sturgoen beating the same drum every year.
Damn, The British Empire broke so hard now it is not able to held an island together.
The big problem with independence is that you can't blame anyone for your own incompetence. Greetings from Czech Republic.
Czechia is better off than Slovakia.
Is this supposed to be a hit to slovakia 👀
not so subtle dig at slovakia
@@ronmaximilian6953 Yeah and the most Slovakia know it. Also Czecho-Slovakia wasn´t better than Habsburks empire. In the end, the one who will regret the breakup the most will be Scotland as now do Slovakia.
@@miroslavsapara5274 Or Scotland will be the next Ireland.
Good job and well researched: I didn't even knew of the ruinous Scottish expedition to Panama.
Always good to learn something new.
The Darien scheme is usually cited as the main cause of union, as the UK took on Scotland's huge debt. At the same time, England (which included Wales and whose monarch also ruled Ireland) imposed large tariffs on Scottish trade in order to encourage union. This demonstrated Scottish dependence on the rest of the British Isles, and so this was formalised in 1707, ending the tariffs.
There are two things to note here. First of all, tariffs and other trade restrictions tend to support political union, including imperialism, as a way of reducing trade barriers. Other examples include Hawai'i joining the US to avoid tariffs on their cash crops, as well as the UK and Ireland joining the EEC. In the post-war era of the WTO and free trade, political union made less economic sense, which was a big cause of decolonisation, as colonies now cost more money than they brought in.
The second thing to note is the larger player's greater bargaining power over the smaller player. When the UK left the EU, far from having the combination of access to the Single Market, minus free movement, plus the ability to negotiate other FTAs variously promised by the Leave side, the UK had to pick from a menu of options considered acceptable to the much larger EU. Similarly, Scotland is much more dependent on the rest of the UK than vice versa, so would come off worse in negotiations. This is even before the consideration that Scotland, being more rural and poorer, can only balance its budget when oil is expensive. Moreover, if Scotland kept the pound sterling, it would remain dependent on rump-UK economic policy, as they would be affected by the Bank of England's monetary policy, which is affected in turn by the government's fiscal policy and the state of the economy generally.
Another fun fact on Scottish colonialism: At the time of the first governor-general in India (official colonising) over 50% off the East India Company was Scottish, including senior officers and free merchants. The first governor-general, Warren Hastings, actually referred to his most trusted group of colleagues as his “Scotch Guardians”. Later, he was in court for misconduct, and relied on Scottish investors to help him win the case.
There were also more Irish in the company than English.
The peice describing the reason for union was poorly researched. The darien venture was what statistitians call a corrolational event. There were alot of causational events in the century prior to the annexation of scotland but if you laid them all out objectively the most significant driving force for scotlands annexation was the english need to end the old alliance.
cgpgrey made a good video about it
I don’t think someone who didn’t even know about the Darien Scheme before this video has the authority to declare it “well-researched”. Darien is the most commonly given reason for the Act of Union and is quite surface level stuff, though it being the main reason for the Union is questionable, as AlphaMikeOmega’s reply has explained.
Also the guy doesn’t even know how to pronounce Edinburgh. That’s two videos in a row we have been treated to Edinburg.
It's funny that the SNP moan about independence, when England has no government. Take a thought about that.
They do, it's a "Care taker" government
go on scotland 💪💪💪💪
SNP was not wrong in 2014 - Nicola Sturgeon in a debate with Lib Democrat leader accurately predicted Brexit and what staying in the Union meant for Scotland.
By the way, you'll never join the eu. The Spanish won't let you, as that gives a path for their break away regions. So, leave and be left the uks satellite, with zero power over it's politics.
@@curiositycloset2359 I’m no SNPussy, but Spain has vocally said that It would not block Scottish entry into the EU. However that being said, none of the member states are EAGER for Scotland to join and very well could just not acknowledge them
But the actual implication of an independent Scotland would have meant that Scotland would have left the EU (in 2014 the UK was the member, leaving the UK would have meant leaving the EU).
At the time of Indyref the proposal was that Scotland would continue to use the £, the lack of a Scottish central bank would have meant that Scotland would not have been able to join the EU.
@@normanlazarus1836
All the Central banks that now exist were created. IF Scotland became a separate nation, it would be foolish not to set up a central bank, as such an institution is very important in modern economies.
@@jimthain8777 I agree. However, the points that I attempted to make were that:
An independent Scotland would have had to leave the EU
In the 2014 Indyref campaign the proposal to use the £ after independence of was made by the SNP & this would have meant that Scotland would not meet the criteria for EU membership.
If you feel that I have misrepresented anything then feel free to correct me.
"Brexit is a disaster over which Scotland has no control"
This feels like a somewhat tenuous point. Arguably, anyone who doesn't vote Tory can make this claim. London for example voted for remain by almost the same margin that the Scottish did (and maybe would have exceeded it if many of the EU nationals that live here had been granted a vote about the future of their home)
Does that mean London should declare independence. Yes. The Free City of London should carve itself out of the blue hell it exists in and forge a new future in the EU, with independent Scotland.
Sure, so long as the rest of England is allowed to give London a send off by nuking it.
You had me there at first, ngl.
@@vorynrosethorn903 Why would you want to nuke a city that you clearly despise for leaving?
lol
There is a difference between a city of a nation that voted for brexit and a nation itself that didn't vote for brexit
I like Caspian report.Listening from many years from Pakistan.
Phenomenal video! Thanks!!
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Amen!
I would never normally support a bot but this is an exception
@@juliantheapostate8295 Lol, I'm not a bot haha
I'd assume that right now, after a global pandemic and during a terrible war in Europe a referendum for independence would fail. People seeks stability in times of crisis
Why should a war hundreds of miles away and a virus that most people are now vaccinated against have any impact on holding a referendum? If anything, a larger state aggressively imposing its will on its smaller neighbour should encourage independence.
@@quartzking3997 I'd be a little bit patient and wait some times before holding a referendum if I was in you
@Kyle Well you've lost the last referendum, all I'm saying is that crisis and fear are not rational thoughts/emotions so people may vote with their guts and make you lose again which would be 2 times in a row which would equal a disaster for your cause
@Kyle Dude first of all chill out, I'm not English lmao I'm Italian and Swiss, I sound "condescending" because I'm pretty much neutral about the subject and all I'm formulating are rational sociological analysis for the sake of rational sociological analysis because I like sociology a lot but then you and the other hysterical racoon kids here on UA-cam gank me like the Scottish independence enemy number one... ffs what's wrong with youtube comments? Probably the demographics.
And I probably should mute every further reply on this comment because unlike you kids my free time is very limited.
There's no way the English billionaires are gonna let Scotland have full control over those oil rigs, and wind energy at a time like this.
Speaking as someone from England, I believe Scotland will leave the UK, and I wouldn't blame them for doing so. This Tory government is making it impossible to justify staying in the UK. The British government allowed Northern Ireland to have a better trade deal with the EU than Scotland, if the government can't at least offer the same compromise for Scotland, then that just proves it's not a union of equals. Northern Ireland gets full access to the EU market while Scotland doesn't, even though they wanted no part of Brexit
So you want a hard border between Scotland and England?
I don't want this to happen. The world is suffering at the moment. Im my opinion as soon as Scotland declares independence, then they'll have a hard time.
@Kyle Who?
Honestly I think the whole of the UK should declare independence from London, leave the Tories to their hellscape
@@616ShadowFox Bruh, just oust the Tories.
The reliance on the slogan, ‘once in a generation’ was just that, a slogan. It’s got the same constitutional standing as the £350 million for the NHS per week on a bus
and it doesn’t invalidate the results of a future referendum. If the House of Commons votes to simply refuse to grant a second referendum to the Scots Government
elected with a mandate to hold such a referendum then they will be changing the Union of the United Kingdom from one based on consent to one that survives only by force of law.
Except the NHS is actually being given £394 million a week, so, its actually getting more than what was promised.
Not really, though both were slogans, once in a generation is not the same as 'we could do this'. Also all unions' governments survive by force of law - the entire UK can't be held to ransom every few years by one part of it ad infinitum.
On the other hand, holding a "will the nation split in half" referendum every few years would completely undermine the legitimacy of the state.
@@davidrichardson5482 Bro the UK constitution is litteraly gentlemen rules
@@alois9206 cheers bro
I'm Norwegian and I just can't wrap my head around how people don't know how Edinburgh is pronounced.
I know. He totally butchered the way he pronounced Edinburgh. Many Americans make the same mistake.
The pronunciation of the second half of the word is totally different from how it’s written, not that difficult to understand. Pronunciation of British place names often wildly differ from their orthography
In his defense, ideally there should be some connection between spelling and pronunciation 🙂
@@robertsanders7060 Yes and ugly people should find it easier to find attractive spouses
The UK has about as many dialects as they have people...
From a Canadian perspective, it's amazing ANYONE knows how to pronounce ANYTHING in the UK
Great episode!!
They should add qualifiers to the referendum like:
•yes
•yes, but only if Northern Ireland comes too
•yes, but only if the EU will allow us to join upon independence
•yes, but only if Northern Ireland will come as well, and the EU will allow is to join upon independence
•no, independence is too unpredictable
•no, the United Kingdom is better for Scotland
•no
Or something like that. Please don’t read into my proposed qualifiers too much lol
Yeah I like that idea. Kind of let the people know what they are voting for, and give the scottish govt the power to ask the EU about membership on their own etc. I also believe scotland could look into the pact that England couldnt get into, the norway style agreement that Norway blocked England from, I am 100% sure they would have no problem with scotland entering, and only blocked England because they see England as a disruptive voice, and scotland would not push the power too much outside of their balance, and also, their waters and norways would make a gigantic fishing zone.
That also splits the vote among multiple yes's with different aims. If a majority vote for yes as a category but no is the plurality vote what then?
@@smrtfasizmu7242 do nothing, make it a non binding vote to empower them to look into a binding vote. This is why brexit was a mess, it was a non binding vote. If the whole country voted leave they we're supposed to research leave, tell people exactly the options, and the laws around advertising false info are more strict. It wouldn't be leave vs stay, all the info would be provided by the govt using an impartial body.. then launch a leave britain vote with the correct information for everyone. And actually have real democracy, not something where people don't know what they are voting for. English people are always saying "I didn't know I was voting for this" because they never voted properly, they used an unbinding vote to force Scotland out of the EU, instead of an impartial referendum.
Great video but please do a seperate programme on economic issues facing the agenda of an independent scotland.
What about a programme on the economic issues facing Scotland shackled to Westminster?
What economic issues?
Scotland produces 5x more gas than it needs, each day it pays for the privilege to send over 20Gwh of electricity to England, has an abundance of resources, AND if it becomes a currency issuing country there are less problems.
@@jamiesedinburgh Fossil fuels aren't exactly the resource of the future. We have 8 years left until carbon neutrality in the UK, something I think will get even greater focus with the current crisis. Its not a resource that will make Scotland prosperous in the long run. Most of Scottish trade is with England. Most of Scotland's finances comes from English tax payers.
Its understandable to hate the Tory party because they deserve every ounce of it but Scotland leaving the UK would be devastating to Scotland. Even if it could rejoin the EU, it would be forced to adopt the euro. You'd have to be ready to accept decades of hardship.
Not trying to diminish the pride of the Scottish people, it's just when politicians promise utopia because of one vote, it usually means they're full of bullshit and are just trying to get their place in the history books.
@@Greytruth2 Scotland produces nearly all its electricity by renewable sources and pays between £4.50 & £7.36 per mwh (0.001 gwh) to send it to energy deficient England. 2019 system transfer was 15000 gwh. That is laying over £100m for the privilege.
I see you use the “most of Scotlands finances come from English taxpayers” line. Rule number one, taxes do not fund public spending in the U.K. (USA, Australia etc where the govt is the currency issuer). Secondly, GERs counts tax income in Scotland but includes spending outwith Scotland by Westminster. There are no actual accounts to back up any estimates made on it.
Scotland has way more to trade with the world and that is what is needed by England
@@jamiesedinburgh Thick as mince as usual, and straight in with the made up grievances. Amazin'
First, when the wind isn't blowing Scotland imports energy from the rest of the UK. Without that the lights would go out, the UK has connectors to the continent so if we were playing hard ball there's only one loser (it's not the rUK). Yet, why would we play hardball - well unless anti English hateful people like you get your way.
Second, Scottish renewable success is due to being in the common UK energy market and having the UK government set minimum pricing for wind energy. This means the UK billpayer has subsidised the industry and this led to it's rapid expansion.
If you doubt me, why then did the SNP argue to remain part of this arrangement in 2014? It's because they recognised that without it the wind farm industry would struggle. The UK government refused this, because obviously why plow money into another nations strategic resources?
So Scotland should be Independent because the UK put in place policies that have massively expanded its green industry, sounds more like you're alright jack and you are happy to benefit from the money of others but you would throw them under the bus when the going gets tough. How cold.
Oh and why shouldn't the UK benefit from its own investments? You people are so fucking odd in how you think.
Great working with you as always!
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What are you criteria for defining a news outlet as left or right, and their distance along that spectrum?
Congratulations on getting onto the trending list
Kinda weird you mentioned Alberta as a separatist leaning part of Canada over Québec, the province that has actually held referendums to leave
Alberta, the Texas of Canada.
Why does everyone on UA-cam push the Panama colony as the reason for the act of Union, Scotland and England had been merging their legal systems for nearly a century leading up to this and in reality Scotland had been administered as part of England since the civil war
@Henry Walters Even to this day, Scotland has its own legal system so they certainly haven't merged at all.
@@---675 the act of the union was basically just confirming reality. the act of the union was the first law tabled in the first session of the 1604 parliament and was rejected because the English wanted to slowly merge the two countries legal code and court system . the reality was that Scottish autonomy basically ended after the civil war when it was administered as part of the Major General system
@@crose7412 no the modern Scottish legal system is only 20 years old, before that Scotland and England had been administered as one country since the 1640s
@@henrywalters4251 Cobblers.
@@crose7412 care to elaborate?
It is an undisputed fact that the EU single market is much bigger than that of the UK.
So how come that after 40 years of having access to this market by virtue of the UK’s EU membership Scotland’s biggest trading partner is still England, Ireland & Wales?
It would seem that opportunity & actuality are very different things.
because scotland's nearest countries are england, ireland and wales, trade deals are a westminster thing and scotland is still very much politically intertwined with the rest of the uk. ireland did just fine after disconnecting from the uk and transitioned from having the uk as their biggest trading partner to the eu despite being geographically further away from it. maybe scotland isnt trading with the eu because not only can they just not choose to, brexit has made trading with the eu a bigger headache than it was before. maybe think about things for 5 seconds before you post next time thanks
Cuz it’s the same country... what don’t u get
That's because of geography. But it's interesting you list Ireland separately from the EU since it's an independent country in the EU, not the UK.
I imagine it's 'cos England is the breadbasket that feeds Scotland. I'm from a farming county myself, so I'm familiar with England's bounty. And surely it's easier to get something by road from England than by shipping across the seas. How much of that would change with a hard land-border, like the chaos down in Dover? Well, suddenly the ships might look easier!
@@legopenguin9 I actually thought about it for more than 5 seconds unlike you. My greater than 5 seconds reasoning for asking was to question the rhetoric (from the SNP & in particular Nicola Sturgeon) that the potential of the EU market is now important whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that the vastly larger market that the EU controls had not been exploited by Scotland in the last 40 years (whilst being a member of the EU).
Your reply talks about:
Westminster trade deals (Scotland has been able to trade freely with the EU for the last 40 years, it has chosen not to).
I did not mention Ireland (NI or RoI) so your reference in this case is irrelevant.
I did not ask about trade following Brexit, I asked about trade for the 40 years prior to Brexit.
Your resistance to actually addressing the issue that I raised rather than obfuscating indicates that 5 seconds thought is not enough.
Wonderful analysis!
"Canada's Alberta has separatist tendencies", pretty sure Canadians are far more concerned for Quebec. Wexit was a meme and always will be, but Quebec separatism has an actual risk of taking place and nearly did in the past. Quebec had a referendum in 1995 on moving towards sovereignty and the vote against won with an EXTREMELY thin 50.58%, whereas albertans mostly only want more provincial autonomy.
True. Wexit was as serious of an idea as CANZUK. There was no real political movement, which resulted in both ideas being forgotten about
I would be willing to bet the higher percentage of Canadian outlets reporting on a potential Scottish independence has to do with Canadas historic ties to the UK and Scotland particularly than anything to do with Alberta’s separatism
ottowexit >>>>>
@@hoebread7584 building the ottawall is of the utmost importance
But who would the SNP blame for their failings in an independent Scotland?!
I suppose they could do what the Tories do. And blame everyone except themselves eh? So what's YOUR point?
People wouldn't have a reason to vote for incompetent SNP politicians after Scottish independence is done. There would be lots of room for a healthy political system, hopefully without this "winner takes it all" approach to parliament seats.
@@audreymcgready4329 Let's agree that a government blaming other people for their own shortcomings is bad, whoever is doing it.
It would be “we should have done independence harder”
@@forkeke thank you - this a point that fucking nobody seems to be able to wrap their head around.
Should be noted that before the act of union there was the act of crowns around a hundred years before it, that joined the monarchs together, mainly the first king of the Uk was a Scottish one. But of course 1690 that had to be runied..
it as more a catholic/protestant thing. people were tired of catholic backwardness.
that was a trick to get Scotland onboard
Scotland will never leave. They are bankrupt, with the worst deficit in Europe. Even worse than Greece. Only the UK giving it tens of billions of subsidies keeps it afloat. It has a 15% deficit.
Also look at Scottish exports, which make up a large part of its economy, 75% go to the UK, and a tiny amount to the EU. If a trade barrier went up or if English people stopped buying Scottish goods, which they would if it left, Scotland would be in massive trouble.
Also a lot of Scottish jobs are totally reliant on the UK and govt jobs or military shipbuilding. The number of jobs and companies that would leave would wreck Scotland. Especially all its finance and tech companies who have said they would have to move to England.
Plus there is no mention of the UK joing the CPTPP trade bloc and India free trade deal soon. These are game changers for Scottish whisky and food exports, where there is a 150% tariff in India on whisky. They would lose this if they left, even if they joined the EU.
Plus any new Scottish currency would have to be created. They could not use the pound, and investors would short it immediately wrecking it because of all these issues. There is no way out of that.
Plus they would have to fund Scottish pensions not the UK and take on around 200 billion in UK debt. They simply cannot afford it and would go bankrupt.
Plus this is ignoring the 1.5 million or so Scots living in the rest of the UK who want the Union. They would have to vote in any second vote.
The Snp have a terrible record in office and will eventually lose power, esp when Sturgeon leaves.
This video doesn't mention any of these critical points.
Also will the EU even exist in 5 to 10 years? It is about to go through its biggest debt crisis, and have anti EU politicians in France soon, and a dying Germany who can't afford to keep paying for the poor members. Plus even if it does exist I doubt they would anger the UK by admitting Scotland. The EU countries that depend on UK defence and intelligence won't allow it, and neither will Spain who doesn't want Catalonia to leave.
Exactly, its unfortunate that we have a fairly authoritarian goverment in power who just wont take no for an answer, what we need is more autonomy and an actual ecnomist or something in power rather than socialists to fix our economy, because they just keep spending what we cant afford. Plus weve also lost we used to be good at, we are no longer no.1 for ship building, we no longer have some of the best engineers, economists and mathemeticians, our education system is all we really have of what remains, and even it could be doing so much better, if we just spent our money in a wise manner.
rs rubbish!the taxes collected in scotland are ,,only a part are returned and do we get subsidised by OUR oil/gas revenue? all our exports go thru englandwhy? thacher! SAOR ALBA
@@franciscruickshank8794
Even with North Sea oil the Scottish deficit is around 15% and it is running out unfortunately.
These are just economic arguments. The biggest arguments are that we are countrymen who care about one another and will always help and defend one another. I have lots of Scottish friends who are my tribe. Please dont listen to Sturgeon who wants to spread hate, darkness and division, and wants us to hate one another rather than care about each other. She is only doing it because she wants full power and control of Scotland. We must be better than these politicians who are trying to manipulate us.
I am happy for England to help Scotland when it needs help because you will help us when we need it. We will always be there for each other as people and countrymen.
I am happy to pay more or sacrifice things if that would help my Scottish countrymen because they will do the same for us.
We will always be there for you no matter what.
Thats your plan for scotland, stay in the UK to sell whisky to India? how did selling cars to india work out for jaguar, landrover? Creating a new currency isnt hard, Ireland just created the "punt" when they left, made it equal to the pound, bing bang bosh. You have some legitimate concerns, but its nothing that Ireland didnt face, even now with UK economy struggling Ireland is doing fine. Sure there are concerns about how well the EU will survive, or last, but people have been saying that forever. Spain or the EU wont get involved in what scotland does, they wont even promise scotland can join the EU, they are treating Scotland with respect to make its own choices. Something England should have done. The reality of this is, you want scotland to accept a raw deal, and accept subsidies, and just shut up, because leaving means that if it doesnt work out, they get a raw deal... true, but it would be a raw deal of their own making, not one thrust upon them, and it could even turn out a good deal.
Scotland could rebuild and hopefully be as rich as Norway, we have the assets, we have something special. we need this to progress as a country, as a culture, to keep our identity like our ancestors once did. we need more freedom so that we can progress into a more technological and sustainable country.
Scotland would never be as rich as Norway, you’d become a backwater like Moldova 😂
@@bennshephard8682 Scotland essentially has the same raw resources as Norway, near enough the same population too, stay mad
The reason Norway is so rich is because it owns 1.5% of the worlds shares, that is an insane amount.
@@kilted_scottish_laddie864 no it doesn't. Nor does resources equal wealth as seen by literally everywhere. You also lack the skills and capital and government protection and power of westminster, to secure favorable deals. Lol you may not be mad, you certainly aren't smart.
You don't have the assets. You're culture isn't anymore safe outside of the union, without the union large groups of people will just up and leave the country at a greater level than ever before. The snp has been cutting and hurting freedoms of scotland for years. You're a fool.
I feel like if Scotland leaves now before we sort out our stupid af voting system, it pretty much perpetually guarantees a hostile Tory government south of the border.
And that’s just awful for Scots and English alike.
@@soulsphere9242 It wasn’t the ideal system we were looking for, but I got out and campaigned for it anyway! (And I’m onboard with any plan to democratise the Lords.)
To be fair, it was a perfect political storm - not long after an election (so low participation), a poorly ran Yes campaign, and poor understanding of what was being proposed. Unfortunately, I think it and the Scotland referendum gave Cameron the idea that he could win any referendum easily.
@@soulsphere9242 sadly the house of lords is actually working
@@soulsphere9242 Problem was the AV system being proposed was designed (deliberately) to make almost no difference in practice, because the Lib Dems allowed themselves to be hypnotised by a whiff of power and buckled to Tory demands on the subject. A lot of people who wanted electoral reform simply didn't turn out because the proposal was so toothless. However, if the polls don't change significantly in the next 2 years, there may be another opportunity on the horizon if the LDs end up in coalition with Labour (and don't fuck it up this time!).
I hope so - it's the elephant in the room of British politics.
England does not 'ridicule Scotland'. Ridiculing Nicola Sturgeon is not ridiculing Scotland... The SNP is not Scotland.
Sturgeon is a bitter, joyless half wit. She deserves ridicule
That`s alos a perspective. But it means England couldnt care less about internal scottish politics, and see it as a joke. Take that as you will.
@@whatwhat3432523 Well its a devolved matter so its mostly irrelevant to them. Bear in mind the English only have westminster, we the Scots have Holyrood and Westminster politics to pay attention to (a rare situation in the UK by the numbers).
While true I don't think anywhere ridiculing the ruling party of an autonomous region doesn't show much respect. Not a good look, and I don't think many people are questioning the legitimacy of the Scottish democracy
@@TheShrecker Nicola Sturgeon spends her entire career blaming England for all Scottish issues. She is getting as good as she gets. Don't be ridiculous.
I am Scottish but have lived in England for 20 years. I now live back home in Scotland. I was horrified at how English people see Scotland. It is very clear to me that England deliberately holds Scotland down financially. They can't afford politically for Scotland to do well and they will do anything they can to to keep Scotland Poor, dependent. It took me years to realize this. It was a sad realization, because I love the UK. The English are not bad people but Westminster will never help Scotland grow because they are scared of seeing Scotland flourish as we are seeing in Northern Ireland. It's unfortunate but no one in Scotland is trying to end freedom of movement. We just need more power, to free Our children from poverty. Westminster will never help Scotland. I understand that now..
Are you unionist or separatist?
How do England deliberately hold Scotland down ,simple to state this, elaborate.
Scotland gets more from the UK than they put in. If Scotland leaves they will have to increase taxes on Scottish citizens in order to maintain the same level of spending.
On top of that, 60% of Scottish exports go to the rest of the UK. Only 19% went to the EU for comparison.
Scottish independence will leave Scottish people a lot poorer than they are now.
Power is power and Whitehall, Westminster and the City of London(Bank of England) live by it...
Dude,,, you have some very warped view of the UK to come to that conclusion.
Lets say you were right even, some elite toffee is holding the scottish people back, do you think these elites treat the average folk in the other areas of england any differently?
Half the reason the normal british people even voted to leave in brexit, was purely to spite the ruling class. Yeah they knew it would screw life for us up either way.
So honestly, trust me, even if scottish broke away from england, you will never become richer or better off, you would still be ruled by an elite, it would just be a posh scot instead of an english one.
Very interesting and informative 👍
A major thing that's not quite said in this video was the last independence vote was mainly decided because voting for independence would have resulted in Scotland having to leaving Europe. So we voted to stay to remain in Europe but then Brexit forced us to leave Europe and now suddenly England removed the main reason we decided to vote to stay.
Being a part of Europe is more important than being a smaller partner in a union in the UK. And I guess it's kind of history repeating itself as we are back to siding with the French 🤣
Scotland would leave with no currency, a hard border with the UK, and application to the EU takes 10 years or more. Belgium and Spain have already said they would veto Scotland's entry as it would embolden independence movements in their own countries. Sturgeon is a disgusting lier and is so set on her nationalist goals that she would sacrifice the people of Scotland for it.
The SNP even colluded with the Nazis in exchange for turning Scotland into a Vichy-style state once Britain was conquered.
That's not what I recall, some were saying the UK would leave the EU, the vote was on the cards at the time.
Being in the EU is more important than any practical alternative for any part of the UK. I just hope that somehow they find a way to backtrack.
@@Bryzerse The EU market, sure, but the politics of the EU aid some countries and damage others, you simply can’t govern this wide a variety of peoples and geographies without some people being worse off
@@malcolmstead272 selective memory. Classic unionist position
Why would they leave? Ireland, Scotland, and England are stronger United than apart it makes no sense of why want independence.
They feel unheard in government and like the other two, overpowered by the English majority
@@gideonmele1556 The same could be said about any nation with regional voting patterns. You think the east Germans don't feel unrepresented by the way the west Germans vote?
Wow! Maybe the spirits of Rob Roy and William Wallace aren't dead after all. Bravo!
What I like about scotland is their traditional instrument. I also want to visit Scotland someday.
Pretty good video but I do think it misses a lot of key talking points from both sides. But i'd only expect someone from here to really understand that.
Yeah your username screams "I'm British"
@@bentimmer295 My username is a meme you're clearly unaware of.
Scots : we want independence !
Brits : if you do so, you'll leave the EU market !
Scots : ok, vote NO to independence
Albion : brexit
perfidious albion is at it again
Scots are Brits!
The EU referendum was announced before 2014 froggo.
Also leaving the EU was never the reason against independence, this is just SNP retconning propaganda
@@toothlesstherussain
The EU referendum took place in 2015.
Another critical issue going forwards is the regulation of cross-border trade from england+NI to an independent Scotland (a la Northern Ireland), also important is the timing of a referendumesque result in respect to the oil price at the time (North Sea oil would be a significant revenue earner for Scotland), finally, the SNP fighting the next general election as a de facto independence referendum is only relevant if they subsequently hold the balance of power nationally and form an alliance in the government - only then would a true referendum in c2025/6 be a condition of support.
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