Jura Automatic Coffee Machine - Stop Wasting your money on Milk Frother Cleaning Supplies
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- I had started drinking significantly more milk inclusive coffee selections since moving to the new machine as of late, though while I don't mind the added maintenance that comes along with it, I have noted the added cost. What bothers me is the apparent waste in the process that is found in an already expensive requirement for a Jura branded cleaning product. Its easy to see looking back from my initial review of the unit and the changeover from liquid to the pellets that its not getting cheaper. Evaluating the cost and the total uses per item we can see what were dealing with for daily maintenance.
We find that cost aside, its not being use effectively nor efficiently, and were actually dumping money down the drain as demonstrated specifically in the video. A variety of tests and measurements are conducted to find out how efficiency can be drastically improved.
Finally, everything will be disassembled and inspected to ensure that the cleaning regiment is still working as intended.
Tested with:
Jura Milk System Cleaner Mini-Tabs w/Dispenser (180 g bottle)
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Jura S8 Automatic Coffee Machine 64 oz
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ZeroWater 32 Cup Ready-Read 5-Stage Water Filter Dispenser, NSF Certified
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I don't even have a Jura machine but I watched this whole video because I like vicariously saving money.
Thats fantastic.
Further to my previous comment, here is what I will be doing. Fill the Jura plastic bin with the recommended amount of granules, add water (warm to hot) and stir to dissolve completely. Attach hose. But instead of putting the plastic container under the milk spout, leave it beside the machine and put a cup under the spout. Start the process and when it says to fill with fresh water simply empty the unused solution into a resealable container (I use a glass jar with a pouring lip). When I have filled the glass jar I will use that liquid to clean. Pour it back up to the line and again just dump the unused liquid back into the jar. That way there is no reason for Jura to make fuss if warranty work is needed because you will have used the exact amount of granules in the exact amount of water and when refilling their container to the line will have used the exact amount of solution the machine needed. Hope this helps and would welcome any comments or improvements. Cheers, Peter
Excellent information! So appreciate this as our S8 will arrive tomorrow. I appreciate the level of thought, details and helpful information to help us save money!
Glad it was helpful!
I applaud your quantitative cleaning details/explanation!!! Also an awesome coffee machine.
Glad you liked it!
Purchased a Jura Z10 and was looking for more information on how the system works. Thanks for providing the above fantastic video. I'm looking forward to trying the recommended cleaning process in my new machine. BTW, thanks for your service. Being a "retro" tech myself ET Scholl 1968, I appreciate the in depth review. DGO ET1, USN
Came here for the video but stayed for the Jura Jokes. The details in this video are perfection. Thanks for taking the time to do this!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow, this was amazingly informative and so helpful. Thank you for taking the time to disassemble, dissect and detail this entire procedure.
Glad it helped you.
I have an E8 and only use water for the daily clean but once a week i clean using the solution. Machine gets regular descale and clean once a month and I ensure that I clean not only the part you removed but also the nozzles and my count is over 9,000 and machine is perfect.
Awesome video. I just purchased an S8 and was a little worried that between maintenance/cleaning costs and coffee bean costs, that Id rack up a decent monthly bill to maintain an awesome machine. However, now that I can cut down my milk cleaner by 75% and drastically reduce the cost of a filter by using the much cheaper zero water filter I don't have to worry about that at all! Thanks
I’m planning to buy the same coffee machine, so this was very useful to watch! Thank you so much for doing all the measurements !
Glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful.
E8 (EB) is newer model. they refreshed it. S8 still waiting for refresh
The new E8 i much easier to clean. It uses water from the tank.
I've been doing some research on the Jura coffee machines, and was also curious on the necessary cleaning. Thank you for giving a quick/detailed breakdown. Spending thousands on a machine, I'm looking to find some savings on the daily use.
Glad it was helpful!
I have the E8 which is similar but uses a different cleaning container and the machine adds water to the container itself. It also doesn't do a clean water rinse cycle afterward which I find interesting. Ironically, even when the Jura is adding the water itself, it still uses too much and you're left with about 30% left over. The difficulty here is that because the machine's adding the water, if you use less cleaner, you'll just end up with a more diluted cleaning solution.
I used the Jura granules once and immediately realised it was a MASSIVE rip-off. I now just buy Caffeto liquid cleaner from a local Hospitality supplier for a fraction of the price - if it's good enough for professional cafe machines, its good enough for me. I also bought both the alkaline (blue) and the acidic (red) cleaner so that you really clean the milk fat and scale out of the machine. I use the blue every second day, and the red once a week. We always rinse out the milk hose after every milky coffee and the machine does a rinse and flush every time it switches off after making a milk coffee so I really don't see the need to clean the milk system fully every single day. I also dumped the cleaning tablets and got the Caffeto ones as well, for about half the price.
I haven't done the math but I'm sure I'm saving a heap of money over Jura's over-priced stuff.
Ultimately the best test would be to run it for a month using the recommended Jura cleaners and quantities, strip it and examine the interior of the milk system, then run for a month using the alternative cleaning process and compare. If it's just as clean then you're golden.
Outstanding. I have a Z10 on the way and look forward to applying your methods.
Good luck!
Thanks for taking the time to handle the analysis for us! You convinced me that it's overkill to use the Jura-recommended amount of cleaning solution every day.
Glad it was helpful!
It’s been few years now with our S8 and no issues. The machine is so expensive, but very convenient. The quality is superb with professional results. Everything is push of a button. Best investment so far. Thinking to upgrade to Z10 due to cold brew. This brand gives you that , working smart not hard lol.
In my French supplied E8 model (about 2020 purchased) when cleaning the milk system with Jura's own liquid and water to the correct level indicated ALL the water is used
I bought this machine a week ago and came to the same conclusion. I was going to write to Jura about it then found your video. Hopefully your work will bring some results. Love the idea of placing a small tape to measure the water. Now I need to find a way to conveniently measure 1.5 grams of granules I would be a very happy man. In the meantime will use the partial teaspoon method. Love all your videos.
Glad I could help!
I just want to say : wow wow wow thank you so very mucho for taking your time to teach me how to save some money using this Jura E8 new version Machine - I got this one instead of the S8 cause it has more café options - and now I even have the option to save some money thanks to you. Muchas Gracias amigo e Grazie tante amico Thank you very much, u r great.
You are so welcome
Indeed it was entertaining, enjoyable, and informative! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fabulous detailed video! I only wish you would do one for the cleaning tablets
What is wrong if cleaning with Jura tablets only results in good coffee for 2-3 days (12 cups). Then extreme bitterness gradually creeps back in until the coffee has to be adulterated with sugar to make it drinkable!
Similarly running clean cycle without a tablet only results in good coffee for the same dozen or so cups? Do I need stronger tablet? CleanHike or Citric acid in the water occasionally?
I'd like to know why is the rinse water almost always so dirty? Is it really OK to use such dirty water to make coffee?
Such an informative and helpful video. Thank you soooo much. You’ll love this. Or possibly ya won’t!
Don’t be a dunderhead like me and attempt to put even mildly spoilt milk through the thing. After cleaning and cleaning…disassembling and disassembling…reassembling and reassembling…I realized the error or my ways by looking at the expiration date on ye olde MILK JUG. Anyway, went to the store, bought FRESH dairy product and once again all is right in this lad’s ‘your-uh’ world! 😂🎉😊
I’ve had milk turn. It happens to all of us at some point.
I did the same. But I leave the Jura milk container and I use a “milk” after most uses. This stops the solidifying of milk in the head if you don’t clean constantly.
Thank you. I have a different Jura coffee machine, but I too dislike the ongoing cost of the milk cleaning pellets. This is useful to know & I'll be working out the amount of water needed for cleaning my machine. Not a recommendation, but if I run out of the Jura cleaning pellets, I use sterilising fluid (that you use for cleaning baby bottles in the UK)- works just as well.
Ill be evaluating some other products in the future.
Interesting video. I just buy generic milk frother cleaning solution off Amazon. Works great and I also don’t do a milk cleaning cycle everyday. I do clean the hose and the frother unit under hot soapy water everyday. Its’s been 5 years on my E8 and so far, so good. ☕️👍🏼
Thanks for sharing!!
We run the cleaning cycle but just with water every other time.
@@JacobLaugesen Exactly, that all you need. And maybe adding the cleaning solution of Amazon if doing the big cleaning program. But here, I am also using Amazon choice tablets. No need to use the expensive Jura tabs to clean your machine from coffee oils.
@@taekwon-do4life667 what is the name of the cleaning tablets you get on Amazon?
I ran through this exact analysis on my brand new Jura E6. Same thing. The machine only uses exactly 4 oz (0.5 cup) out of the total 9 oz of the volume marked on the container. Less than half! I basically clean the machine with 4oz of cleaning liquid (with less of half the tablets) in a tiny glass. A lot more economical. I don’t even bother with the cleaning container . It is more trouble than it is worth actually.
This is super useful. Plus I love your accent.
What accent?
SO helpful! Thank you for doing this!
Glad it was helpful!
Great research. Just out of curiosity did you measure how many grams were in the 1/8 teaspoon of cleaner?
JC, awesome video ! Very helpful indeed. Any f/u thoughts on maintaining or cleaning the machine. Have you used any alternative cleaners selling on Amazon. What about the water filters ? Those suckers are expensive.
That is so useful to know that in advance. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Can you save the excess cleaner fluid and use it the next day, or will it lose it potency?
Great video! I personally think that it is ridiculous to spend $$$$ on a coffee machine with a steep learning curve of all the things you must consider to operate and maintain it. For me, the last straw was the false advertisement of a three-layer latte that I just get right no matter what intervals and settings I’ve tried. Despite that, I always use whole milk. The liquids just blend together, leaving me with a regular Cappuccino.
Nice video. We have been using a Z6 for over 7 years now. We don’t clean the milk system with each use/day, but I do use the liquid Jura cleaner when we do. It runs like a champ. I’m betting you could just run a clean cycle with hot water and drop to using the Jura cleaner to one a week or even once a month.
Perhaps, but not cleaning or flushing it blocks the passages inside, it gets pretty nasty quickly
we're doing exactly what you're describing (also Z6): after each use, rinse the hose manually, let it run the cycle with just water and do the full cleaning with additive only every once in a while, maybe every 1-2 weeks.
Great explanation, unfortunately the newer version of the E8 takes the option of manual filling the water. The water is now dispense right from the hot water nozzle from the tank. So now these saving isn't possible anymore.
I am going to see what dissolves and use that amount. I still enjoyed watching his video as it makes me think.
Darn, just ordered a new E8 EB yesterday :-) Any solution found for the newer E8's?
@@KangaBear99 I was thinking of a solution where I would discard the dispense water and premix my solution. Been trying to design a different water bucket with 3 chambers. Waste, Solution, and water the machine dispense that isn't going to be use. But sadly I have a 3D printer, but don't know how to 3D model yet.
How have you found the machine cleaning tabs, agree very expensive maintenance, three streams of expense, water filter, milk cleaning tabs and mini dish washer tabs?
I’ve spent thousands on Jura systems over the last 15 years and this is exactly the type of poor engineering that’s going to force me to start looking at other brands. I’m having the exact same dilemma with my X8 just now. Great video. Thanks 👍🏼
There are no maintenance free push button machines. That’s the reality of it.
Very helpful. The cost of the cleaning product is absurd. Jura's instructions are biased and unethical. They simply increase our costs and their profits. I don't think it is a coincidence that their pellets cost way more per use. Somebody at Jura got a huge bonus for making the change. Here's what I do to save even more: Twice a week I use one dropper's worth of solution in the reduced water. Then I disassemble the frother and soak the components in the cleaning solution for an hour or two; rinsing with water afterwards. On the other days, I simply clean with water. Also, I always rinse the tube for the milk, forcing fresh water through it, before each day's cleaning. I haven't had any problems with the machine, and all of the components look very clean, as in the video.
Also, I use Urnex Dezcal to decalcify my machine. Works great, and I have had no problems.
I plan on trying the urnex, ive gotten a lot of comments about it.
Bought an e8 yesterday , tnx for sharing 👍👍
Enjoy it
@@retrotechandelectronics i will,thank you,tastes better then my previous delonghi 👍👍
Hi, sorry I wanted to add one more item that you might be aware of replacement water filters. Do you have another option rather than $75 for three filters. I'm currently looking for another option. I'm tired of spending this money for a water filter.
Thank you, this was very helpful
You're welcome!
Omg you have to clean this daily, it’s kind of put me off buying this model. Thanks for your informative and interesting video. Cheers
What uses milk that you wouldn’t want to clean daily?
@@retrotechandelectronics That’s not what I meant.
That's the thing that keeps me away from those combined coffee/milk machines, Jura or any other, the effort after using it. From a hygienic point of view, don't make a milk drink in the morning and then wait until the evening to clean the system because milk sticks.
I'm using a espresso/coffee machine without milk and with a seperate milk frother. I know it's not the same but it does the job and afterwards its a lot easier to keep it clean. A quick rinse under the tap of this container already cleans a lot, later you can have it thoroughly cleaned in the dishwasher.
Check out some videos of how milk is treated from A to Z and then you will see that this must be done extremely hygienically to prevent contamination.
Afterwards you will have questions about automatic coffee machines with milk.
Thanks for the added tips 👍
You bet!
Jura descaling solution - citric acid.
Jura milk cleaner - alcohol, ammonium, citric acid, baking soda .
Or buy generic cleaner.
J’ai une s-8 depuis 3 ans. Je dois vous dire que nous sommes partis en vacances pour une semaine et j’ai trouvé un perce-oreille dans la buse!!! Horrible. J’avais 3-4 plantes sur mon comptoir. Et…à l’époque, je ne démontais pas la buse!!! Pas besoin de vous dire que depuis cette mauvaise expérience, je nettoie correctement ma machine et surtout la buse et le tuyau en faisant un trempage. Je souris par contre d’accord avec vous, il y a beaucoup de produit nettoyant en trop et qui se retrouve directement dans le lavabo. Il faut peut-être diminuer la quantité mais surtout surtout e pas négliger le nettoyage quotidien. J’aurais aimé connaître la quantité exacte de l’eau et des capsules. Merci et bonne journée! ☕️☕️☕️🪴🪴🪴
Each Jura machine uses a different amount of water / cleaner for the milk system cleaning program. For example, my ENA 8 uses the entire volume of cleaning and rinse water during the cycle. I'd love to find a replacement for the liquid cleaner, which is what I used for my older Impressa A9.
I just bought a liquid milk cleaner off of Amazon. There are several brands available. I got Urnex Puro but it hasn't arrived yet. Should be good . . . Urnex is a reputable brand and it's just a simple food safe sanitizing solution.
I would like to know how the rinza works for you. Just thinking the chemistry to clean milk deposits is pretty much the same across the range
@mikelonigro4391 the proportions are exactly the same so you can put water and the cleaner up to the designated lines on the provided Jura container for flushing the system. I measured to check . . . Other than that I'm sure it's fine.
Bravo! Great work, very scientific! Now, tell us about how to save $ on Jura water filter!! Thx!
I did! I use the zero water filter and set the hardness to zero, it’s in my S8 review video.
Thx! I’ll take a look!
By the way, I’m an old Zenith radio collector! (Old in both senses!)
Ha. I e been using one pellet of milk cleaner everyday and the initial containers has lasted over a year and it’s still clean 😂 thanks for the video. I just ran a full solution cycle. Maybe tomorrow’s cappuccino will be extra frothy!
Must be a different clearer not jura
I've got an S8 and stopped all that bs shortly after I bought it. It's a rip off. All you need to do is remove the milk frother and milk pipe and wash it under the sink. I don't even do it every day. When I used to do it I quickly learnt to put exactly the right amount of water/cleaning fluid to stop wasting it. Corporations love to market 'consumables'
Do you think you could make a large volume of solution using all the tabs- storing in old liquid cleaner bottle? Would the milk tabs lose their potency if pre-dissolved?
They should be fine as its just some dilute acid.
Sometimes at the end of the day, I just clean the milk system with just water lol. Then when I feel like it, I add a couple of micro tablets in there for a better clean. Don't really see the point of cleaning it with their expensive product every single day. I also clean the frother piece regularly, there isn't much more that you can do. My cappuccino tastes just as good as when I first bought the machine.
This is one of the reasons why I didn't get a Jura Machine. Nivona, melitta etc machines just run steam through the pipe and only requires using milk cleaner every so often.
Very helpfull, thanks a lot!
You're welcome.
I have the Jura Z10 which doesn’t require any water to be added to the plastic milk cleaning container. I just add the cleaning pellets and hit start and the machine does the rest.
Have you paid attention as to what happens on the Z10? Yes, it still wastes just as much cleaning supply. However, it self dispenses its own heated water into the reservoir so you cannot measure yourself the exact amount needed like this video suggests. To make matters worse, the catch reservoir in the center is made purposely smaller so that the dirty liquid overflows by an ounce or so into the clean liquid reservoir which contaminates the liquid (negating saving the liquid if desired for later use). Now, using this new system, you cannot measure the exact amount of pellets because the system forces a specific amount of liquid. You could do some additional manual liquid catching into another container and dump your exactly measured cleaning solution into the reservoir during the time it automatically waits for the pellets to dissolve, but what a PITA. Jura got ya by the balls. Coupled with that microchiped RFID filter, this is big coffee creating Coffee as a Service (CaaS)..endless revenue...Like Microsoft cloud services... Had I known this, I would have probably not got my Z10 and went with one of the other brands.
@@somaliskinnypirate on the new E8 it doesn't overflow.
@@somaliskinnypirate
Was wondering about this. Like vacuum bags from the old days until Dyson came along and killed it. Eureka tried to steal his patents claiming the bags were making Eureka $15 million a year.
Then they TRIED(Dyson sued and won BIG in England) to steal his idea.
These tablets seem a little scamish. Why not vinegar? Then rinse couple times with hot water.
I mean the message behind the video and your reply are dead right. The maintenance side with regard to water filters to primarily keep limescale out the plumbing while at the same time improving the taste all costs money. The cleaners to remove the milk fats from the plumbing all cost money. There is a total cost of ownership here. Don’t get me wrong I’m not defending Jura, I’m sure from the get go, they realised there’s a nice revenue stream here, to which they’ll try their best to ‘ring fence’ you into using their consumables. However, I suppose they also have to consider that it’s important for them to make these necessary maintenance tasks as easy as possible and effective at doing the job. So that you remain a satisfied Jura customer, keep buying their machines and keep telling you friends about them. Interestingly I have a Giga 5 and a new Giga 10. On the Giga 5 which is long out of warranty I buy 3rd party filters and cleaning tabs in an effort to keep the maintenance costs in check (with the hope that they are doing the job effectively) and on the Giga 10 I currently use Jura specific RFI filter, 3 phase cleaning tabs and Jura Milk cleaning tabs with a big effort in buying from the right vendor, at the right time, pouncing and buying in bulk in order to get those costs down. Just like a car, just like a printer, the purchase price is unfortunately only the start and there is always at least 2 ways to go….but don’t skimp too much, else it will come back and bite you!!
Tnx man !!! Great video
Glad you liked it.
I bought the cleaner materials from Rossmann so I do not need to worry about the waste. It’s way more cheaper.
I thought the same thing. Seemed like a big waste of money, I don't use the solution every day, once a week, but I do dismantle the system every day, use the clean cycle with steaming hot water, and it's perfectly clean, solution once a week.
Manual cleaning also means inspection. Inspection is always a good idea.
Would just running water without any cleaner be sufficient? I mean is it going very far into the machine (milk) or just into the valve on the outside of the box ? If the external valve is removable, can it.be cleaned by soaking in dish soap or something like that ?
Trying to clean up fat and oil without soap on dishes will show you why water alone doesnt work. A look inside this piece disassembled of the buildup with water only is discouraging.
Just a thought, Urnex makes a milk system cleaner called "Rinza." Supposedly that's the product used in industry. Something else to consider.
I have seen that product but have not yet tried it.
I use Urnex Cafiza, 1 tablet to 32oz of water, work great
I’ve got an issue with the frother. It works fine on
The latte mode, but cappuccino mode it really spits the milk everywhere.
I’ve done all cleaning and dismantling, no change. I do not want to pay $170 on a whole new frother.
Any suggestions?
Not much to it? canned air to check for a blocked passage?
This is amazing
Thank you
Hey. Chears from Germany.
1)First of all, using the products Jura tells you, is a big NO. Cause every milk cleaner from the grosery does the same. If its designed to clean milk, its as good as Jura products.
2) Second, even usage of the products daily is a big waste. Cause hot water program is more than enough if you doing it right after your used the machine on Jura E8, S8 J8. And Machines are simillar with it. Since the milk does not go anywhere exept the Milk Foamerl.
Same goes for the cleaning taps. I would never use the original products. You just need to watch, that has the same almount of cleaner. The cheaper brands cleaner are inventing for the most popular machines, thich Jura, Simens, Nivona, DeLongi are.
And if you want to save some money, you can refill your filter with some new water cleaning sands. Or at least buy the cheaper brands, who made the filter for Jura. Buying the Smart Filter for 15€ a piece is a big waste. You can get away with refilling it for 50cent or buy cheaper brand for only 3€.
All machines want to do good quality, so ppl actually buy their machines. The production cost of S8 is only 200€. They are selling it for 1400€. But to get money from ppl, they doing this small cheating, with cleaning supplies or new milk tube, or new milk foamer, or water filter.
If it would not last at least 15-000 drinks, No one would buy that high price.
And its not only my own oppinion. I asked several Jura mechanics, who doing service or repairing the machines. They dont wanna sell your more expensive supplies, they telling the truth.
You're one of the few people online who pronounces Jura correctly (as they do on their own videos), and that includes places like Seattle Coffee Gear and others (who should know better).
As a name should…
Nice Video. But why do you buy a jura cleaner? Would you also by original Mercedes Diesel fuel for you Mercedes car , if it would be offered? If this cleaning solution contains citric acid and carbon acid, you could use some citric acid and mineral water with gas. So cleaning will cost about 1-3 cent. may be also a bit of washing soda could be good to clean milk... Sure, you have to find out how much to use, to not wear the frother too much through aggressive cleaning. But what could happen if it is too aggressive? You need to buy a new Milk frother, which is not so much more expensive, as the jura cleaning solution...
I’ve had a Siemens machine for a year now. It uses only hot water to clean the milk system. All is well.
Good to know!
Thanks
You’re welcome
Excellent video, thank you!
You are welcome!
I just run plain water through the milk system on my S10 when I clean. I don't want any chemicals in my milk system. What's the long term effect of this, I guess I'll find out.
i cant see how plain water would break down milk fat. you wouldnt wash a glass and expect it to be clean of whole milk with an application of plain water.
@@retrotechandelectronics Thank you for the insightful reply, I agree with you.
What are the pellets actually made out of
Citric acid and carbonic acid.. he said it right after I posted this😂
I had 2 prior machines my first a Capresso C1000. Only had to use the tablet. I took the wand apart and cleaned after every milk drink. Then had an Impressa F8 same thing and still going strong. Over 20 years total with those 2 machines and neither one ever broke or got anyone sick. The C1000 just died and I am looking for its replacement. Cant decide between the S8 and E8. Both around the same money. What do you think, if you had a do over would you still buy this machine?
Great content.
I have no regrets as of yet.
I'd definitely go the S8 rather than the E8 if you drink milk drinks. I thought I could upgrade the milk frother on the E8, but unfortunately not on the new models. It's bugged me since day one of my E8.
@@bec9696 what is better with the S8?
Buy the e4. Warm up milk or half and half first in the microwave. Easy
Half and half sound interesting.....
@@retrotechandelectronics I’m mixing both as of now. It’s delicious. Excellent machine. I could tell the difference right away.
Yep. I have the n8 with the milk frothing system, but mostly I use a stand alone frother or even throw a pan of milk on the stove if I want the drink really hot :)
Goog job
Thanks!
Great video so far with my Jura S8. We are at over 4500 drinks one thing I noticed the clear froth tip turns white and you just can't get it clean. The replacement parts for this milk froth are so outrageously overpriced. It's frustrating. Would be nice if Jura would recognize customers paying good money for a machine should be rewarded by a decent price for replacement parts rather than ripping us off. Just a note I'm sure you know about the milk cooler issue. When I bought mine, there is nowhere to be seen that you're only supposed to use the cooler for six hours. If you left the cooler on day after day, you would have an error code come up and the milk would freeze, which would not be covered under warranty. if this happens to anybody you stick to your guns and you always say I follow the instructions, in the user manual step-by-step. If you do this, they will ship you a brand new one because it is unrepairable once the board fries. I hope this helps.
You're being hustled by the branded cleaning pellets, which are just an ordinary inexpensive bog-standard cheap acid cleaner such as for cleaning scale out of coffee makers or ice machines. CLR liquid is another readily available acid cleaner. I don't believe this is even the right type of cleaning principle to start with for this apparatus. An alkaline cleaner such as automatic dishwasher detergent would do a better job of removing the fatty and stick-protein residue of the milk. That's how a food plant cleans their industrial equipment with inaccessible tubing and fittings carrying food products. But this type of overwrought gadget is a perpetual chore to keep clean.
How would you clean the ice maker in a side by side freezer?
Up to now nobody could tell me since they are not to common here in Germany…
Thanks a lot
Some of these machines are almost $4k, I don’t think people buying them, especially the high-end models really care that much about cost
@@mrfacques eh, I have the Z10 but won’t turn down ways of making the cleaning a little cheaper like buying the pellets when they’re on sale.
Tried a Miele. It’s better coffee but spends all the time cleaning or turning off. Sent it back.
Hi I recently purchased a Jura e8 but the temperature on the coffee is at 138.2 F is that normal?
They probably assume that most people don't actually clean it daily, and they're playing a heavy game of CYA for liability. You got sick from it? Well, we TOLD you to clean it every day. Had you followed are recommended regimen, you wouldn't be sick!
It still doesn’t explain why such a large portion is thrown away unused. Regardless of concentration.
@@retrotechandelectronics You could just save the unused leftover portion for next time, i.e., keep a container of the fresh solution. Then you're not wasting the "dead volume" of the solution.
@@DH-qz2so It's just a mild organic acid solution with an unlimited shelf life.
I had a Siemens EQ6 series 700 which I replaced with a Jura S8. It drives me crazy when most guests want milk coffee. Siemens was making 2 coffees at the same time and flushing the milk system with water from the main tank. Also Siemens had more space on the tray; and the milk hose had its special place on the tray. Siemens is 3 times cheaper than Jura.
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I was thinking of purchasing this, but the cleaning is too much. You spend more time cleaning than drinking coffee. I'll be looking at other machines. Thanks for the info.
You will find no machine that does cappuccinos that does not require cleaning thereafter
Jura E8 EB needs least cleaning time, compare to others. I mostly never use the cleaner, but only the program. Hot water pressure is more than enough,.
@@retrotechandelectronics Actually, I have a first generation Saeco Xelsis which does not require detergent cleaning daily. Each time the frother arm is returned to position, the unit does an automatic steam cleaning of the milk circuit using water from the tank. Recommendation is a detergent based cleansing be done monthly and I’ve been using Rinza for a few years now since Saeco discontinued their own detergent. Ironically, I’ve been looking at replacing the Xelsis with an E8 … might need to reconsider that.
Or just use dirt cheap citric acid. I think it's even better than those tablets.
Is that Brooklyn accent?
Who’s askin’?
@@retrotechandelectronics Joe Pesci
I mean jf 39c per cleaning is too much, maybe this ain't rhe right machine for you.
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If you need to spend 39 cents every time just for using milk product then why even buy a machine lmao whole point of coffee machine is to get that cafe level coffee for cheaper in home
I found a better solution. You can buy 2lbs of similar compounds for cleaning water boilers and coffee machines for 20.00 online
Something is wrong with your machine. I have jura ena 8 with exact same cleaning system and same container. It takes almost whole fluid before asking to refuel it. Definitely something bizzare with your jura machine. Contact vendor
dude just use Rinza like the pros do and save yourself a huge headache and a completely pointless video
Dude…
What a waste of time to do this kind of analysis.
What a waste of time to watch something on a topic that you believe is a waste of time and then further take the time to tell me what a waste of time it is. Didn’t get enough attention as a kid???
Awesome video 👏🏻👏🏻 my gut feeling also was the same when they changed the milk cleaning product, you just proved it! Also thanks to the video I learned I need every time to take apart all the frother to make sure it’s super clean 🧼
Thanks for watching!
simple vinegar soulution will clean milk out of the system and not damage any seals inside wait u have to have an engineering degree to tak this apart from cleaning soooooo the time u saved from it being automatic u then loose pluss some in the clean process LOLOL ill keep my Brevile barrista bro i think